A colleague of ours across the newsroom floor has a bit of a dilemma. Their cat caught a native bird a bit like this honeyeater here. That was bad enough, especially for the honeyeater, but things get worse.

I like creamed honey best

Good citizen that he is, the colleague put a bell around the neck of his cat to end its hunting days. But now the bell tinkles all night and he can’t get any sleep.

This is a major problem with no obvious solution, apart from the ones we just know you’ll come up with. Any other major problems and/or solutions on your mind today?

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    • Sniper says:

      05:24am | 27/06/12

      Get rid of the cat, useless animal.

    • PJ says:

      01:46pm | 27/06/12

      take the Bell off at night…easy

      Lefties tut!

    • S.L says:

      05:31am | 27/06/12

      Easy solution…............shoot the cat!

    • cdrl says:

      06:04am | 27/06/12

      get rid of the cat

    • Samantha says:

      08:06am | 27/06/12

      Good call, I’m not much of a cat fan myself.

    • Fiddler says:

      06:24am | 27/06/12

      My children unwittingly came up with a solution for our cat catching birds. Every time I turned by back they would feed it.

      Fat thing can barely stand up now, let alone hunt

    • M says:

      06:24am | 27/06/12

      Foam ear plugs from bunnings will do the trick.

    • nihonin says:

      07:14am | 27/06/12

      I like Chinese food wink

    • Dan says:

      07:38am | 27/06/12

      The only good cat is a flat cat.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:00am | 27/06/12

      LNP sleaze team in action again. Its starting to unravel with Kathy Jackson and now its all starting to come apart with Ashby.

      rAbbott and Pyne need to pick more reliable, and in Jacksons case - sane, patsies in future efforts.

      After weeks of mounting evidence dug up so far only the ABC has been embarrassed enough to start picking up the stories on Jackson…but I see the rest of the Murdoch run press is still trying to pretend nothing is happening at all and the whole Thomson saga has conveniently gone quite for a bit. There is only so far you can go for your mates in the LNP guys - you are really going to start looking like Dills very soon and more and more people are going to start asking for inquiries into your conduct.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:35am | 27/06/12

      Yes. Unfortunately for the LNP justice is blind in both eyes and not just its right eye, like the MSM.

      This will be a popcorn moment. The fall after the hubris.

    • AdamC says:

      12:36pm | 27/06/12

      It just looks like so much smoke and mirrors from the Labor muckraking department, to mix a metaphor. Though it is amusing (ironic perhaps?) to see Labor quite prepared to attempt to trash the reputation of a whistleblower and alleged sexual harassment victim when the relevant accusations could embarass a fair weather, seemingly closeted friend of theirs.

      Gobsmaclk, as you slip further towards the dark side of the political spectrum, your capacity for objective comment continues to diminish.

    • S.L says:

      01:03pm | 27/06/12

      Well someone better inform 2GB as their shock jocks are still going hammer and tongs using the original allegations as fuel to oust the evil Labor Party from all levels of government…............

    • PJ says:

      01:44pm | 27/06/12

      the only defence slipper has is ‘coalition conspiracy’. totally expected. YAwnnnn.

      I suppose it’s marginally more credible than the Greens suggestion, which was to calim slipper was possessed by one of their outer space green men, whom was helping them with their climate change policy.

    • gobsmack says:

      02:06pm | 27/06/12

      @AdamC
      Apparently you are unable to distinguish between Labor and Peter Slipper’s lawyers.
      If I were in Slipper’s positions I would expect my lawyers to leave no stone unturned.
      The legal process is in train.  We will see soon enough its outcome.

    • Knemon says:

      02:11pm | 27/06/12

      “It just looks like so much smoke and mirrors from the Labor muckraking department”

      How so AdamC?

      It appears that the coalition are also in this “up to their necks” as Mr Albanese politely put it.

    • simonfromLakemba says:

      02:31pm | 27/06/12

      Its different because its Liberals, you know how it is on here Knemon!s

      as Tony abbott says ” Because it is”

    • AdamC says:

      03:02pm | 27/06/12

      Gobsmack, I do not believe you are naive enough to imagine that Slipper’s lawyers are working in a vacuum. You may also recall the announcements of Labor’s Attorney-General on the matter, despite it being before the Court. Slipper is not sailing by himself here, and you know it.

      Knemon, I do not understand your question. Clealy, my comment is asserting that this effort to attack and smear Noel Ashby is taken straight from the ALP personal attack playbook. Are you claiming that it isn’t?

    • gobsmack says:

      03:48pm | 27/06/12

      @AdamC
      “Slipper is not sailing by himself here, and you know it.”

      Yet any suggestion that Ashby has been aided by the LNP is a conspiracy theory.

      In any case where sexual impropriety is alleged, the defence will always focus on the credibility of the accuser and his or her motives in making the accusation.

      There is nothing unusual about this and it doesn’t require some supposed “ALP personal attack playbook”.  However, this point is lost on diehard LNP supporters.

    • John (KRE) F says:

      08:04am | 27/06/12

      What a lovely mother this is !, it’s lucky that this issue was uncovered by the hospital, unfortunatly no one esle seemed to see it. Now imagine all the other children out there that are also victims of this kind of behaviour but not as extreme as this. It is in the same twisted vein as parental alination. It’s all about the parent at the cost to the children.
      But what a sick bitch this one was !
      http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8490124/mum-banned-from-contact-with-children

    • Chris L says:

      09:26am | 27/06/12

      Licence to breed might clear up some of these problems. I’m all for personal liberty but procreating affects others, most of all a new innocent life.

    • Fiddler says:

      09:42am | 27/06/12

      it’s simple. If you have a child and are on the single mother pension (or whatever they call it now) you should have to provide proof of ongoing contraception in order to get payments. Once the child is six you are treated as being on the dole. And also make abortions free

    • John (KRE) F says:

      10:21am | 27/06/12

      a few questions
      1) were was the dad ?
      2) why isnt she in an institution or jail ?
      3) are her children being helped now ?
      4) where were family or friends to see that something was wrong ?
      5) over a hundred hospital visits ! you would think the penny would have dropped a lot earlier.
      It took a long time for this very public abuse to be exposed, can you imagine what we dont see or know about !

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:38am | 27/06/12

      She would be one of Howard and Costellos’s plasma TV mums - must have been the kid she had for Australia.

    • James1 says:

      11:43am | 27/06/12

      John, according to an article on news.com, the dad has had custody of the son since May 2011.  One hopes he had been working at this for quite some time before then.  The child in question has not been to hospital once since then, so one hopes he is in fact getting the help he needs.  Also, this woman was the subject of more than 40 reports of potential harm over several years, and one also hopes these came from both hospital staff and family members and friends.

      Have a read of the ABC or news.com coverage - it is far more detailed than the reporting at the link you posted.

      Certainly an interesting case.  One of the most startling things to my mind is reported on news.com.  According to a Sydney hospital, almost every GP has at least one patient where a paranoid or overzealous parent bring their child in constantly for trivial matters.  And they are almost always mothers.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:54pm | 27/06/12

      “According to a Sydney hospital, almost every GP has at least one patient where a paranoid or overzealous parent bring their child in constantly for trivial matters.  And they are almost always mothers.”

      @James1, well said.  Many parents go completely bananas over their child’s health, and rightly so.  I’m pretty sure if were a mum, I’d be a nutcase who thinks a cough was whooping cough, or a rash was meningitis, because parenting does that.

      John F has a habit of posting the most sensational article to push his personal agenda.

    • stephen says:

      08:09am | 27/06/12

      Put a bell round your wife’s neck ; then you can ignore both of them.

    • tets says:

      08:24am | 27/06/12

      Could he put a bit of blu-tak in the bell at night and take it out before letting the cat out in the morning?

      People who said ‘get rid of the cat’ - aren’t you embarrassed to be so stupid?  That’s not a real world solution, it’s just a lazy way to make a joke without engaging with the problem.

    • HappyG says:

      09:11am | 27/06/12

      Why is it stupid to suggest getting rid of the cat ? They are disgusting animals. Ever seen a feral cat and the damage they do to native wild life ? I’m with the guy who shoots them and makes hats and scarves out of the skins.

      Cue all the cat lovers telling us how cute they are.

    • Dan says:

      09:20am | 27/06/12

      Solves the problem completely - and I wasn’t joking.

    • Ginger Mick says:

      09:45am | 27/06/12

      You are right about not the real world solution.

      Trouble is our wildlife is being decimated by feral cats and other nasties, foxes etc.

      Any city or large town you have a really difficult time finding any small native birds owing to the number of cats, domestic and feral, roaming the place.

      One solution is:

      destroy all roaming cats,

      cats sold/given away must be incapable of breeding,

      all cats registered - the owners to pay for their destruction and a fine if found wandering at night.

      bounty put on all cats outside built up areas found wandering

      Read what our government paper has to say cat lovers and weep.

      http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/pubs/cat.pdf

    • gobsmack says:

      10:02am | 27/06/12

      @Ginger Mick
      “Any city or large town you have a really difficult time finding any small native birds owing to the number of cats, domestic and feral, roaming the place.”
      I think you’d find that in the artificial environment of a large city, native birds have been displaced by introduced species of birds - sparrows, mynah birds, pigeons, etc..  Those introduced speciesof birds thrive despite the ever present cat population.
      I’m all for the eradication of feral cats.

    • Cats are not native to Australia says:

      11:40am | 27/06/12

      There are more feral cats in Australia than there are people.

      Kill the cat and do the natural fauna a favour.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:55pm | 27/06/12

      Get rid of cats is a lazy solution.
      Compulsory desexing, chipping and a bell is a solution for those who like cats. If the bell worries at night lock the cat up sans bell for the night.
      I agree that cats are a no no in our natural environment.
      We kept our daughter’s cat and while they were alive we had no birds, feather gliders tails after rain, no snakes and lizards and no rats and mice (native or otherwise)
      Now we have no cats and the birds (Coughs, crows, galahs, honey-eaters, family birds, rainbow loriketes, king parrots, wrens etc etc) we heard the feather gliders on the roof, we are visited by many little lizards, snakes (including Browns, red bellied blacks, pythons on of which live in our roof) we even had a burton’s legless lizard and a plague of rats and mice.
      I have a great aversion to cats in our native environment and would support a bounty for dead feral cats.

    • Reschs Monkey says:

      03:29pm | 27/06/12

      I can see a real opportunity here for the Shooters and Fishers Party that could create jobs for the unemployed in the process.

      The shooters can roam the streets at night, particularly in Sydney suburbs such as Merrylands, knocking off any cats not carrying bells. They shoot a few of those perpetually barking dogs in the process and call it collateral damage.

      This should then please the fishers, because it will mean less fish-kill to be wasted on cats.

      Lastly, those on Newstart allowances could be recruited to attach the various feral animal heads onto trophy mounts and sell them back to the shooters so they can hang them on their living room wall to accompany the endangered elephant, rhinoceros and gorilla heads.

    • Janey says:

      08:24am | 27/06/12

      Typical of most thoughtless people who keep cats - let them roam free at night killing native wildlife, fighting and whatever else cats do.  The bell should be a reminder to your colleague about how much of a pain in the arse cats are at night.

      However, if your colleague simply cannot suck up the problem of his own making, perhaps he could do what serious cat people do and put it in a big cat cage like an aviary at night.

      You’re welcome.

    • M says:

      09:13am | 27/06/12

      At least they did the right thing and put a bell on it.

    • Max Power says:

      09:52am | 27/06/12

      I love it when people put a bell on their cat. It helps me narrow down where to aim.

    • Chris L says:

      09:44am | 27/06/12

      No wonder they’re so stressed out over there!

    • M says:

      09:54am | 27/06/12

      Terrible isn’t it?

    • Chris L says:

      11:02am | 27/06/12

      By our standards it certainly is.

      I noticed that non-muslims are allowed to drink, but converting wouldn’t help the situation since the punishment for apostacy is also death.

      Condemned to death, or to a life without alcohol. I’m glad I was born here.

    • M says:

      11:32am | 27/06/12

      Erm, it’s terrible by any standards mate.

    • Chris L says:

      12:57pm | 27/06/12

      Apparently not by Iranian Sharia legal standards.

    • simonfromLakemba says:

      02:36pm | 27/06/12

      As non Muslims you can drink any nearly all Muslim countries, some you have to register as an ‘alcoholic’ and off you go. Shouldn’t be too hard for Australians!

      BTW: Dont agree with the ruling, just shows the nuts which are running the asylum over there.

    • Max Power says:

      02:58pm | 27/06/12

      In Egypt we had no problems with having a couple of drinks with dinner, some of the local products were quite good.

      On a side note, Women in Egypt may have some interesting times ahead.

    • M says:

      03:34pm | 27/06/12

      Do you accept all laws without questioning them Chris?

    • Chris L says:

      04:29pm | 27/06/12

      Certainly not M, but we’re not talking about me.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:11am | 27/06/12

      Tomorrow, I get paid.  And I’m imposing a Budget From Hell on myself for the next 6 months.  I’ve decided to move house at the beginning of next year.  The cheeky buggers have decided to put the rent up again and quite frankly, I’m getting ripped off.  There are plenty of nicer places around my neighbourhood for a lot less, and all I have to sacrifice is my ensuite bathroom.  Which at this point, is perfectly fine, because it’s a horrible little bathroom anyway.

      Even if the next place I move into is leaky and damp like this one, at least I’ll be $50 a week better off…

      So I’ve got a spreadsheet to enter all my expenses, so I can trim any excess money being spent.  It’ll be good to get a proper snapshot of my spending habits. Thank goodness I don’t have any CC debt!  I see it eating up people’s money all the time…

    • Inky says:

      10:48am | 27/06/12

      Good on you. My friends and I who were in a sharehouse decided to move out when for the third year in a row the landlord announced rent was going up, yet for the third year in a row they had failed to install a new stove, despite twice the electrician sent in to fix it reccomending back to them to replace it.

      Love the place I’m in now, paying a little more because I live alone rather than in a share, but I’ve recently rewened my second 12 month lease without a rent increase, get along great with my real estate agent, got the stove/oven combo in here replaced because the seal around the oven was peeling off/stove was having trouble reachign respectable temperatures with no hassle from the real estate/owner end (the company installing it dropped the ball a lot, but eh, lowest bidder etc)

      Best of luck on the new place, and on the budgetting.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:29am | 27/06/12

      @Inky, yep, sounds a bit like me - the last time I needed stuff fixed and she dragged her feet, I basically threatened her by saying “I’ve been looking at a few other rentals this weekend and they’re cheaper/I’ve spoken to the Tenancy Tribunal etc…”

      The silence on the other end of the phone was deafening.  15 mins later their tradesman had called to organise the repairs. 

      I could enter a debate about the virtues of lowering the rent, but I want to move on my timetable, rather than be pushed.  Besides, there are nicer places out there, and since the housing market is not going to miraculously recover in the next 6 months, and with my impeccable rent record, I can afford to cool my heels a bit.

    • gobsmack says:

      09:14am | 27/06/12

      Any small creature, native or introduced, that thrives in an inner urban environment is fair game for my cats.
      It would be different if I were living on the fringes of native bushland.  There owners do need to control their cats and dogs and ensure the cats are neutered.
      Feral cats pose a far greater threat to native wildlife than any well-fed suburban moggy.

    • HappyG says:

      09:48am | 27/06/12

      Erm, where do you think feral cats come from originally ?

    • Ginger Mick says:

      09:54am | 27/06/12

      suggest you read
      thttp://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/pubs/cat.pdf

      then justify your statement.

    • M says:

      09:55am | 27/06/12

      Feral owners?

    • Max Power says:

      09:57am | 27/06/12

      Just as well you don’t live near me. Any cat that strays into my yard only does so once. If I don’t get it, the German Shepherd does, she absolutely loves “playing” with cats that enter the yard.

    • gobsmack says:

      09:58am | 27/06/12

      @HappyG
      From cats that weren’t neutered.  See my post above.

    • Ginger Mick says:

      10:17am | 27/06/12

      @  M

      quite appropriate!

      Maybe we should release north american coyotes, they keep the moggies at bay and gives foxes hell.

      But then we would have to release cougars to keep the coyotes down and release African lions to do the same for cougars.

      Just some more cats,  for the cat lovers out there   “wink”

    • gobsmack says:

      10:54am | 27/06/12

      @Max Power
      People who deliberately attempt to kill the pets of others are either sick or plain wicked.
      How would you feel if someone threw a chop laced with poison over your fence?  I had someone attempt to poison a dog of mine once.  Fortunately, the dog was strong and survived.
      BTW, I doubt that a German Shepherd kept in a backyard would be capable of cornering and killing a cat, so I assume you’re just fantasising.

    • ibast says:

      11:38am | 27/06/12

      “How would you feel if someone threw a chop laced with poison over your fence?  “

      This is of course different from having a stray animal in your yard. Which was Max’s point.

      If a cat comes into my yard at night, I will assume it is feral and I will deal with it as I see fit.  I will not be cruel, but if others can’t be responsible for their own pets I will not feel guilty about taking appropriate action.

    • Michael says:

      12:01pm | 27/06/12

      Here you go Gobsmack, Labrador cross no German Shepherd
      looks like the cat gave him a shiner though.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In2-aO0IIlY

      I don’t have a German Shepherd either but my dog’s score is 4, cats nil.

    • Max Power says:

      12:27pm | 27/06/12

      People who deliberately allow their pets to stray into other peoples yards get what they deserve. Your comparison is not applicable. I don’t throw my dog over the fence into someone elses yard to kill their pet. Unfortunately for the cats, they pay the price for the irresponsible behaviour of their owners. 
      You on the other hand are an irresponsible pet owner. You are happy to allow your cat to roam the streets killing, therefore, you must be sick or plain wicked. Don’t want your pet to meet the same fate, keep it in your own yard, once it enters my yard, it is fair game.

      And I can assure sure the Shepherd is quite adept at killing cats that enter the yard. Her kills are in double figures, and it wasn’t so long ago that I awoke to find a present in the back yard. I do not try and discourage her love of cats.

    • gobsmack says:

      01:01pm | 27/06/12

      @Max Power
      My cats don’t kill other people’s pets.
      Every pet is (or should be) loved by someone.  That was the point of my comparison.
      “Any cat that strays into my yard only does so once.”
      I’m assuming that comment is just silly macho talk.  I would be troubled if I had a neighbour who took pot shots at cats and encouraged his large dog to attack other people’s pets.  Hopefully, no child strays into your backyard.

    • marley says:

      02:19pm | 27/06/12

      @gobsmack - yet you don’t seem to have a problem with your cat killing anything it can get its claws into.  Why should your cat be any less subject to the laws of nature if it wanders into a dog’s yard, than the mice are if they wander into yours?

      I have to admit, I dislike cats which are allowed to roam - our neighbour had one, and it killed off a lot of the native birdlife, before meeting an untimely end (no, I didn’t kill it, it died from paralysis ticks which our neighbour was too clueless to know are a problem where we live).  But I did arm myself with a slingshot and was beginning to get fairly good with it before the cat passed to the great mousehole in the sky.  And since I see the neighbour’s got herself another cat, I’m going to start practicing again.

    • Max Power says:

      02:53pm | 27/06/12

      You do not need to use a firearm to kill cats, and in the city, you wouldn’t get away with it.
      If you love your pet, keep it where it belongs, in your house and in your yard. It is selfish, arrogant and irresponsible that you think your cat should be allowed to wander the streets and into other peoples yard with immunity, and that any birds, frogs, rodents, lizards etc, be it native or not are fair game.
      It is funny how it is only the cat owners who think their pet should be able to wander the neighbourhood. It is also funny that they think that any animals in the neighbourhood are fair game for their cat, but get upset if their cat is killed by a car, or by a dog or a person after their cat strayed where it doesn’t belong or isn’t wanted. Pretty simple solution, keep your cat at home and if you don’t, the balme and responsibility for your cats death rests with you. 
      As far as I am concerned, the moment an animal is allowed to wander the streets and into other peoples yards, it ceases to be a pet. There is a difference between pet escaping or being accidentally let out and an animal which is allowed to roam the streets. .

      As for the children straying into my back yard, well that is out of my control. I cannot make parents supervise their children and teach them not to go into peoples yards without permission.
      My yard is securely fenced, so anyone who gets in, didn’t get there by accident or straying.
      In saying that, she is great with children. When we lived in Brisbane, they kids up the road would pat and play ball with her. We made it clear to them and their parents, they were to always ask permission, regardless, and if we weren’t home, they were not to jump the fence or pat or play ball with her through the fence.  In the 3 years we lived there, we had no problems. Small dogs are fine, she just doesn’t like cats and rabbits/hares.

    • gobsmack says:

      03:36pm | 27/06/12

      @marley
      There is a big difference between the killing of an animal that is not a pet and one that is a pet.
      A pet is someone’s or a family’s loved one.  It’s death brings sorrow and loss to other humans.  The cat killed by your slingshot or Max’s mutt could be an old lady’s sole companion or the only thing bringing joy into the life of a seven year old girl with terminal cancer.
      If I had a button that eradicated every feral cat in Australia, I wouldn’t hesitate to push it.
      Incidentally, with one exception all my cat’s kills have been non-native rodents, mostly rats.  They have been helping to reduce the vermin in the neighbourhood.

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      03:42pm | 27/06/12

      “People who deliberately attempt to kill the pets of others are either sick or plain wicked”

      Probably equally as sick as people who think this: “Any small creature, native or introduced, that thrives in an inner urban environment is fair game for my cats.”

      Native animals are not fair game gobsmack. Your introduced feline species is.

    • marley says:

      07:06pm | 27/06/12

      @Gobsmack:  you say “There is a big difference between the killing of an animal that is not a pet and one that is a pet.”

      And I say, no there isn’t.  I care more about the native animals, some of them endangered, than I do about an invasive predatory species.  lf you care about your pet, it’s up to you, not me, to protect it - and that starts with keeping it contained on your property.  I keep my dog contained so it won’t do harm; I expect no less of you.

    • AdamC says:

      09:32am | 27/06/12

      Labor seems to have gone into smear overdrive in the Peter Slipper harassment case.

      http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-diary-was-sent-to-lnp-rival-20120626-210mz.html

      I am unsure how much of these conspiracy accusations will bear on the case. (One assumes the Court will be more interested in the facts of the matter, but you never know.) What interests me, though, is why the Labor Party are so fussed about the issue at all. It seems unlikely that any outcome of the case will see Slipper booted out of Parliament. And Slipper has less than a snowball’s chance in hell of carrying his seat as a indy at the next election.

      What is the point of Labor’s investment in obfuscation? Or am I missing something?

    • Chris L says:

      09:53am | 27/06/12

      It’s all part of the trial by media Adam. If it’s fair to assume Slipper is guilty befor the proceedings are over then it’s just as fair to question Ashby’s motives.

    • TimB says:

      10:05am | 27/06/12

      If Slipper is forced out, then a new Speaker needs to be found. And unless the ALP can convince another Liberal to take the chair, they’ll have to reduce their own numbers to fill it.

      And the conspiracy allegations mystify me too. Surely the pertinent question is thus: Did Slipper do what he has been accused of?

      The possible involvement of various individuals with Ashby, and their attendant motivations are irrelevant in determining the answer to that question.

    • Ginger Mick says:

      10:12am | 27/06/12

      It’s to take our minds off other issues, smokescreen to reduce the focus on matters more important and failings of Labor.

    • Tim says:

      10:13am | 27/06/12

      Labor have gone into smear overdrive?

      Oh the delicious irony.

    • Economist says:

      10:34am | 27/06/12

      I think you’ll find the Liberal dirt unit far better funded and resourced than anything Labor have knocked together, they’ve been honing their skills since piggeries and Hanson. Of course it back fired with Grech,

      I know it’s hard for you to comprehend but the party that wants to win government by any means necessary may seem like Labor with their deals to bring slipper over, holding onto Thomson, and negotiating with Green and Independents. However they don’t seem so willing to go in the gutter to the same degree as the Liberal dirt unit with a few sycophants in the media willing to do their bidding. 

      You see Labor’s problem is they are a pack of losers. They’re weak. They’re willing to negotiate. They question their direction, they generally self implode and with more infighting because they’re liberal in nature, some in the Liberal party also behave like this. Conservatives within the Liberal party don’t have this problem. They’re ideological, ruthless, pathological.  They’re willing to do things Labor would have baulked at.

    • AdamC says:

      11:08am | 27/06/12

      Chris L, why is fair to assume Slipper is guilty?

      TimB, as I understand it, in order to be forced from Parliament, an MP has to have been convicted of a criminal offence that carries a penalty of two years in gaol. Based on that, and the Thomson precedent, the government will not do anything about Slipper, even if he is found to have harassed his staffer. It all just seems like an exercise in mass Labor hysteria to me.

      Ginger Mick, a carbon tax distraction? Maybe.

      Tim, I am not sure you understand what irony means.

      Economist, I recall Labor whinging about some alleged Coalition dirt unit a few years ago. I cannot recall there being much actual evidence that one existed, though. Last time the issue came up, it was because the PM exhorted her courtiers to have their publicly-funded staff do some digging about opposition MPs.

      Meanwhile, Labor seems to be arguing that discussing being harassed and briefing a journo amounts to some sort of vast right-wing conspiracy. It is all a little silly.

    • gobsmack says:

      11:16am | 27/06/12

      @TimB
      “Surely the pertinent question is thus: Did Slipper do what he has been accused of?”
      When it boils down to “he says/he says otherwise” (noting that the “evidence” for most of the alleged misconduct consists of Ashby’s testimony) then the credibility of the accuser and the possible motives for lying are entirely pertinent.
      Also, if it is established that Ashby encouraged Slipper to engage in sexually charged innuendo than he can hardly claim to have been harrassed by it.
      @AdamC
      As you slip further towards the dark side of the political spectrum, your capacity for objective comment continues to diminish.

    • Chris L says:

      11:18am | 27/06/12

      @Economist - Perhaps you have a point.

      I was noting in the Open Thread a few days ago how pleased I was that both sides of politics showed respect for Mary Jo Fisher and for the investigation process involved considering how easy it would have been for the left to use events to their political advantage. Her charges of theft and conviction for assault could have become a political spectacle, but instead her opponents were actually wishing her well as she resigned.

      Oddly enough a few people here didn’t seem able to comprehend the idea of respect and instead assumed I was making fun of mental illness. A case of projection I guess.

    • Tim says:

      11:45am | 27/06/12

      Adam C,
      Oh you were being serious?

      “Labor seems to have gone into smear overdrive in the Peter Slipper harassment case.”

      The fact that you completely ignore the Liberal smear overdrive that began once Slipper left the Liberals is what I was referring to.

    • gobsmack says:

      12:32pm | 27/06/12

      @AdamC
      It’s Slipper’s lawyers that are making the counter allegations.  They would be pretty poor lawyers if they weren’t making every attempt to defend their client.

      Leaking your employers diaries to a reporter who texts “We will get him” amounts to much more than “discussing” harassment with a journo.

      Do you honestly believe Ashby is some sort of naive ingenue?  Really, the whole affair is grubby and I don’t see anyone coming out of this looking good.

    • TimB says:

      12:56pm | 27/06/12

      @ Gobsmack I was under the impression that there was some actual evidence involved- Text messages and the like. I’m not up on the full details though. I was waiting for the court to sort it all out.

      You are indeed right in that in a simple ‘Slipper said, Ashby said’ situation,  that credibility comes into play. But if hard evidence against Slipper does indeed exist, then Ashby’s motives for bringing a complaint against him becomes rather moot.

    • gobsmack says:

      01:55pm | 27/06/12

      @TimB
      There are a number of text messages involved.

      This is from the linked article:

      “Mr Slipper claims Mr Ashby ‘‘carefully cultivated’’ a relationship of trust and confidence with the Speaker from mid-2011 and ‘‘gradually introduced into his exchanges with Slipper occasional ribald language and sexual innuendo’’ after he began working in his office in December 2011.
      The claim relies on text messages Mr Ashby allegedly sent Mr Slipper, such as the following on December 27, 2011: ‘‘I’m going to smack u! Arhhhhhhh’‘; ‘‘Lenny use to call me the lovable C—- at Gowinta cause I knew how to play the game’‘; ‘‘You’re cruising for a bruising’’ and ‘‘Cool. Let’s f—- them up the a—- instead’‘.”

      Not to mention the text message from Steve Lewis.

    • Chris L says:

      02:11pm | 27/06/12

      “But if hard evidence against Slipper does indeed exist, then Ashby’s motives for bringing a complaint against him becomes rather moot.”

      Not if it is shown that Ashby initiated the nature of these exchanges in the first place. It would change from being harrassment by Slipper to entrapment by Ashby. Whatever the truth of the matter, it’s for the courts to decide.

    • TimB says:

      03:04pm | 27/06/12

      @ Chris L, I agree, but still that means that the evidence has to be tested for it’s veracity first, something that would have had to happen anyway in any case brought against Slipper.

      If and when that evidence was determined to be iffy, then of course the focus would change and they’d start invegitgating Ashby for motive etc. The issue i have is that the ALP seem to want to shortcut that process, ignoring the question of whether or not Slipper is guilty, and going straight for the conspiracy theory.

      One thing at a time.

    • Chris L says:

      04:56pm | 27/06/12

      I agree with you there TimB. However, as others here have pointed out, the Coalition has made this a circus from day one. Not saying Labor is doing the right thing here, I just don’t think we should single them out.

    • Anjuli says:

      09:41am | 27/06/12

      Build a cat pen in the garden with all its toys in it ,I heard a cat mewing one morning, on investigating found it caught by its collar in my oleander which had cut into its skin.

    • M says:

      10:00am | 27/06/12

      Uruguay plans to legalize, tax and regulate the sale and distribution of Marijuana. It will only be sold to registered users, they must be Uruguayan citizens (so no drug tourists), and they are limited to a purchase of 30 grams per month. Sales tax to be re-directed into rehabilitation programs, black market and the crime that goes with it effectivly smashed.

      http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/travel-news/legal-marijuana-but-uruguay-wont-be-a-drug-tourist-haven-20120626-20zdn.html

      Copenhagen is also planning to legalise for much the same reasons. I look forward to a few years time when these states and cities have shown that de-regulation and legalization/ taxation of Cannabis is not going to be the end of the world, as some in this country would make it out to be.

    • Inky says:

      12:36pm | 27/06/12

      You mean like how Gay Marriage in Canada didn’t end the world, causing everyone else to adopt it also?

      Oh wait, only the first half of that statement is true…

    • Knemon says:

      02:28pm | 27/06/12

      “plans to legalize, tax and regulate the sale and distribution of Marijuana”

      Sounds good to me, though it wouldn’t stop me growing it (personal use only)!

    • Hartz says:

      02:31pm | 27/06/12

      Inky don’t get me started on Gay marriage.  How is marrying my partner going to affect anyone other than me? I have no issues with the church deciding not to conduct the marriages themselves…....but apart from that who cares.  If my ex wife supports it then surely it must be ok!!!!

    • M says:

      03:35pm | 27/06/12

      Have people started marrying farm animals yet inky? That seems to be one of the major concerns the christians have.

    • Ginger Mick says:

      10:07am | 27/06/12

      Labor knows they are sunk by the carbon tax so they are creating as much havoc as they can before judgement day.

      Federal Government tells pensioners that aged care providers will hike fees the day carbon tax kicks in

      by: Sophie Foster, Anna Caldwell From: The Courier-Mail June 27, 2012 12:00AM

      EXTRACT:

      “THOUSANDS of pensioners have been warned they will have to pay more for their residential care in one of the first signs of the impact of the carbon tax.

      The Federal Government has written to pensioners and Commonwealth Senior Health Card holders advising that their aged care providers will hike fees by up to $3.48 a week from July 1, the day the carbon tax kicks in.

      The hike of more than 1 per cent outstrips Treasury forecasts that the cost of living will rise just 0.7 per cent under the unpopular tax.”

      Shame Labor, shame

    • Gordon Shumway says:

      10:10am | 27/06/12

      I love cats. Baked, fried, casseroled or minced into a really nice lasagne.

      You want a cat - keep it in your own bloody yard like dog owners have to. If you can’t - GAME ON BITCHES!

    • John F says:

      10:52am | 27/06/12

      personaly I love pussies wink
      Did you have a bad one that hurt you ?

    • Susan says:

      11:06am | 27/06/12

      Heh..I was looking after a friend’s place recently and saw the large cat next door jump back and forth over the fence.  It scratches up new plants and is just a darn nuisance.  Have no idea what to do to get rid of it apart from something illegal and I actually wouldn’t want to hurt it, just keep it out of the other yard.

    • greed&envy; says:

      10:31am | 27/06/12

      Zeta Wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope. Please post something! The endless deivel is coming thick and fast. I only wish we had more articles on gay marriage asylumseekers and more Mal! I havent been beaten into submission yet with the constant recycling of one sided topics to try and mesmerise me into a sheeple.

    • GnE says:

      01:30pm | 27/06/12

      Hah! Nice one Shane

    • ibast says:

      11:06am | 27/06/12

      I don’t mind cats, but I’m amazed by the number of cat owners who still think it’s alright to let their cats roam around at night.  It’s not just native animals, but the fact the cats have the local dogs barking all night.  You can bet it will be the cat owner complaining about the noisy dogs too.

      They have become so prolific in my area, I’m seriously considering getting a possum trap.  If air riffles were more readily available I would have already dealt with a few.

    • Cats are not native to Australia says:

      11:44am | 27/06/12

      put aspirin in milk and leave it out for the cats.
      better yet, make it paracetamol

    • Susan says:

      12:47pm | 27/06/12

      Cats are not native….  what does this do?  Kill them?

    • Jay says:

      01:10pm | 27/06/12

      Another boat with 150 people has capsized. Once again Australians will be blamed for doing nothing to stop it. Not sure what it is we can do, but nonetheless we will be blamed. When will Muslim countries begin to accept some responsibility? After all the majority are Muslims trying to flee from Afghanistan or Iran and yet we hear or see nothing from these oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia. Why? Because they don’t care that is why.
      Look at Syria if you require proof. If the US went in with troops then you would hear the outrage. Muslims portray themselves as victims and yet when it comes to helping their own they do nothing. If you want to save lives don’t come to Australia, it is not safe. Sarah Hansen Young would let half the world into Australia if she had her way and would then whine about Global warming as all these people consumed all of the resources, bought cars and used electricity, gas and water.

    • simonfromLakemba says:

      02:48pm | 27/06/12

      Jay use your brain, see how many refugees Pakistan has then rethink your post. Also bombing the hell out of them for the last 10 years would make you want too move.

    • dancan says:

      01:23pm | 27/06/12

      “Children in US schools are being taught the Loch Ness monster is real, and its existence disproves Darwin’s theory of evolution.”

      http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/14040440/school-kids-taught-nessie-is-real/

      Wow, just wow.  Every time I think the acceptance of ignorance as valid opinion has reached its pinnacle, along comes stories like this.

      This literally blows my mind.  How can teaching this blatant misinformation be allowed?!

    • simonfromLakemba says:

      02:50pm | 27/06/12

      Its America…

    • Chris L says:

      03:04pm | 27/06/12

      Strueth! We shouldn’t laugh but…. that’s really funny!

    • PJ says:

      01:39pm | 27/06/12

      I was watching Downton Abbey last night, to get some ideas for when the Glorious Revolution takes place.

      But the programme has caused more problems that it solved.

      Whom should I make my Butler, Acotrel or fml?

      Obviously Nathan’s for outside to look after my Dogs needs, (randy dog he is to) but what to do with those other two Lefties?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:59pm | 27/06/12

      I prefer the French revolution of 1789 myself, although many go for the Bolshevik revolution of 1917. But in this case I’d say the Butler did it…....

    • Reschs Monkey says:

      03:40pm | 27/06/12

      As the Glorious Revolution has been over now for 324 years, I suggest you go back to sleep knowing that the butler (as always) did it, and wait for the next revolution, which will probably occur in Queensland some time towards the end of this century, after the Great Flood of 2088.
      .......NostrilDarnIt 12:17

    • Reschs Monkey says:

      03:19pm | 29/06/12

      As the Glorious Revolution has been over now for 324 years, I suggest you go back to sleep knowing that the butler (as always) did it, and wait for the next revolution, which will probably occur in Queensland some time towards the end of this century, after the Great Flood of 2088.
      .......Nostrildamit 12:17

    • Meow says:

      01:59pm | 27/06/12

      I’m amazed there are so many idiots out there concerned with cats and are willing to break the law to sooth their lust for cruelty.
      Do cats bite and kill people ie children?
      Do cats bark all night keeping people awake?
      Do cats dump there huge waste products all over public walk ways?
      I have no problem with dogs,just the idiot people who own dogs that are larger than the space they’re kept in.
      Remember dogs kill people…cats don’t and i find people who own dogs are generally less intelligent.
      Cats Rule!

    • marley says:

      02:24pm | 27/06/12

      Are you my neighbour?  The dingbat who lets her cat roam around, leaving waste products in my garden and the feathers of birds it’s killed on the path?

      To answer your question, yes cats bite. I don’t know if they kill people here, but I know of a guy who died from the bite of a rabid cate.
      No, cats don’t bark at night -but the sound of a tom yowling at night is a lot worse than a barking dog.
      Yes, they do.
      I have no problem with cats, just idiot owners who refuse to keep them contained on their property.
      I think the concept that you can “own” a cat indicates that you’re perhaps not as smart as you might think - I’ve never met a cat that didn’t own its human.  Dogs can at least be made to work for their room and board. Cats get it all for free.

    • Meow says:

      03:23pm | 27/06/12

      Oh so when’s the last time your dog worked for it’s room and board and if cats get it all for free,it just shows that cats are smarter than dogs.As for roaming around…legal under the law… i agree, if owners were more responsible with their pets in general and had them desexed they wouldn’t roam around.
      To sum up ...certain dogs eg large ones should be removed from suburbia completey…it’s actually cruel to have a dog confined in a small space day after day with just a walk now and then.

    • PJ says:

      03:32pm | 27/06/12

      cats are genetically programmed to mark the boundaries of their territories.

      It’s terrible if your block is the border of the territories, where the cats are in dispute.

      Cue Cat Shit City, Australia.

      Lucky for me I have a huge bogan Dog (has an ear tattoo and sniffs his botty coughs etc) who hates Cats.

    • Meow 81 says:

      04:28pm | 27/06/12

      Me thinks you meant males with bogun dogs on a saturday night are genetically programmed to mark the boundaries of their territories.
      Does your dogs tattoo say,Bandidos 4 ever…4 ever Bandidos?
      Me thinx you people are just “felineophobic”

    • marley says:

      07:16pm | 27/06/12

      @meow - my dog does a pretty good job as a watch dog.  Where I live, a lot of dogs are sheepdogs.  I don’t know of too many watch cats or sheep cats. 

      Yeah, cat roaming is legal - but it happens to be wrong. Morally, you should have no right to let your cat loose to defecate on other people’s property, kill animals on other people’s property, and yowl on fences. I’d like to see the same laws applied to cat owners as to dog owners:  you want your cat to go outside your yard, walk it on a leash.

      So, unless you have your cat totally confined to your property, you are an irresponsible owner.

      As for dogs in suburban yards, you don’t actually know much about dogs, do you? It’s cruel to keep a terrier confined, because they’re very active dogs; it’s actually okay for some of the bigger breeds because a walk or two a day is just fine for them.  Kind of like the really big cats (ie lions) basically sleep all day.  It’s the small ones that are problematic.

    • cats rule says:

      02:27pm | 27/06/12

      Cats are not native to Australia says:...neither are most people and seeing people are responsible for the diminishment of native birds etc more so than cats…
      Death to people!

    • Cats are not native to Australia says:

      09:12pm | 27/06/12

      There are more feral cats in Australia, than there are people.

      22 million cats gotta eat. It’s native species on the menu tonight people.
      Stroke your little furry friend and tell yourself that’s ok.

    • Chris L says:

      04:52pm | 27/06/12

      Strueth! I’m 26 days older than Atari!

      What a wonderful device! Fond memories of Combat, Pitfall, Joust, Space Invaders and Death Star Attack!

      A few months ago I invested in a stand up arcade machine with over 2,000 old style games. Currently overdosing on nostalgia!

 

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