Welcome to Monday - let’s talk about nudity! London has been disrupted by a naked man perching on a statue of the Duke of Cambridge. ‘Ello! What’s all this then?

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We’re not quite sure, but we were quite bemused by The Sun’s decision to interview a schoolgirl to recount the experience. Also, bit cold, innit?

Any risque Punchers out there? Got anything else going on (or coming off)?

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    • pa_kelvin says:

      05:12am | 26/11/12

      After watching the 60 minutes story on the 4 Italian girls that were abducted by their Australian mother, it would appear that there was a lot more behind the scenes happenings than first thought.
      At the time this site heavily moderated, or closed comments to this story, with commenters calling for freedom of speech, and not following as to the legal ramifications that this site need to follow.
      After last night’s story I guess more can be said as to personal opinions on what people think as to what happened, and who was right or wrong…
      Having revealed the help of the Australian Embassy to bring the children to Australia (issuing passports, changing flights), but advising her to get legal advice in Australia, who is at fault?
      Is it the Mother for deception? The Government Departments for not doing full checks re allegations against the Father (60 minutes found no proof), or the Father for signing documents for Passports believing his estranged wife was only taking the girls to Australia for a holiday?
      The Grand-mother and Great Grand-mother were clearly involved in the hiding of the children against Court Orders, are they to be charged with any crime?
      As these children grow older will they rebel against their Father (keeping in mind that they lived in Australia with the Mothers family for 2 years before being caught), or will they, when they are old enough move legally to Australia to be with their Mother?
      It would appear that words were had between the Reporter and the Grand-mother prior to the interview, (but that is just my view) with both the Daughter and Reporter turning on her a few times during the interview.
      Who is at fault? In my opinion after watching last night’s show, it’s not the Fathers…..
      It’s just a pity I have to work all day today, and won’t get to see the comments that this story, in general will probably generate.
      Otherwise there’s always that AWU thing to comment on.

    • Gregg says:

      07:10am | 26/11/12

      I did not watch sixty minutes and have not for yonks but right from the start I was somewhat amazed at the involvement of courts in Australia for something which you would have thought should have surely been under the jurisdiction of the Italian courts.

      It does seem very much that the girls want to be in Australia but that is really not the point and it may be that in time they will return here, also not so relevant either.

      If there has been help from embassy officials or government department employees outside of what their duties are and especially if it is sufficiently questionable as to bias, then someone should be asking for a please explain and likewise any illegal acts by family members should be prosecuted but we should not use 60 minutes as judge nor jury.

    • marley says:

      07:29am | 26/11/12

      I’m not so concerned about the involvement of the courts:  the mother wanted to keep the children here, the dad wanted them in Italy, so the courts had to decide on that point alone.  Of course they recognized that the Italian courts had jurisdiction.

      What I’m concerned about is the involvement of DFAT in what appears to be abetting this mother in taking her kids out of the jurisdiction of the responsible court.  DFAT is not supposed to be intervening in these kinds of disputes - at least not without an order from the Italian courts allowing them to do so.  I think there are questions to be asked on how the consular officials handled this.

    • iansand says:

      07:52am | 26/11/12

      Gregg - THe sole and only involvement of the Australian courts was to get everyone back into the jurisdiction of the Italian courts.

    • Vernon says:

      08:21am | 26/11/12

      The mother, grandmother and great grandmother are a bunch of drama Queens determined to get what they want by any means regardless of the children’s or the fathers interests. This is happening every day in Australia but the publicity isn’t there like this case. Many many dads can relate to this kind of self feeding drama. It was great to see these “mothers” exposed for who the really are !

    • Burkaburka says:

      09:17am | 26/11/12

      Perhaps you could go more upmarket and share your thoughts on some random ACA or Today Tonight material?

    • GnE says:

      01:45pm | 26/11/12

      WWhat iansand said. Look up the Hague Convention.

    • Vernon says:

      02:31pm | 26/11/12

      Unfortunatly PA Kev, Punch readers are more conserned about petty political issues than children and their suffering ! It’s very sad really.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      04:01pm | 26/11/12

      Vernon… It was only a couple of months ago people were screaming blue murder that they couldn’t post on the subject….....

    • freethrow says:

      05:56am | 26/11/12

      hello Punch Team, want to actually make a positive change in the world?
      Jump on board and give this some airtime, even the voice of god himself is in on it!

      breakingthetaboo dot info   (wonder why this site is blacklisted?)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2vqpNT1kV4

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:03am | 26/11/12

      Advised my family of our wedding plans (which are not at all traditional) and they shrugged and said, “Cool.  It’s your day, you do whatever you feel you need to.”

      Also, baked a lemon meringue pie. 

      Everything went better than expected!

    • fml says:

      07:23am | 26/11/12

      How was the pie?

    • torpid says:

      09:21am | 26/11/12

      But the burning question on everyone’s lips is did you change you socks this week?
      You should get facebook, it’s wonderful for this sort of thing.

    • Timewaster 2000 says:

      10:50am | 26/11/12

      Don’t forget to let us know what you have for lunch today and wether or not it was really yum. Can’t wait to find out !

    • Philosopher says:

      12:34pm | 26/11/12

      I’m guessing torpid and Timewaster 2000 will be waiting in vain for their wedding invites?

    • Mahhrat says:

      01:05pm | 26/11/12

      I just love how me answering the OPs question is somehow irrelevant (I’ll have to work on having exciting weekends, I guess), yet criticising me for it is apparently so newsworthy.

      Irony, etc.  Good stuff on a Monday!

    • Philosopher says:

      01:35pm | 26/11/12

      ‘not at all traditional’
      mahhrat, I hope your wedding doesn’t have a ‘cannibal convict’ theme? Sounds like an episode of ‘Don’t Tell the Bride’...

    • Draconian says:

      01:58pm | 26/11/12

      Congrats Mahhrat.  When is the wedding?

    • Mahhrat says:

      02:21pm | 26/11/12

      @Draco: March, somewhere in NE Tasmania.  Somewhere relatively outdoors - even though I’m usually a homebody.

      Cocktail party reception in a great venue we’ve found in Hobart - quiet and intimate and totally without all the speeches and boring sitting around getting drunk on cheap booze.  This place makes the most amazing cocktails.  Oh yes.

    • Gregg says:

      07:15am | 26/11/12

      The guy has a touch of Gilchristish about him and maybe his name is Adam!, looking for Eve or is he just another of those Thinkers?

      Put a bat in his hand and he could be thinking that the visit to Australia and Admiralty house could not be as bad as this could it!

    • gobsmack says:

      07:26am | 26/11/12

      He has a nice body and I wouldn’t see any problem in him gracing podium’s (podia?) as a “living sculpture”.  Half the statues in public places depict nudes anyway.  Maybe a fig leaf would ease a few concerns.

    • Philosopher says:

      11:15am | 26/11/12

      re fig leaf, I think the frigid temperatures would have the same effect.

    • Bec says:

      01:14pm | 26/11/12

      Keeping in mind that the Brits have a ‘page 3 girl’ showing off her boobs in the daily newspaper, surely a naked bloke on a statue isn’t a problem?

    • GregE says:

      07:52am | 26/11/12

      Bruce Wilson would not want the Victorian or WA police to reopen the AWU case in light of new evidence. Therefore, I’m not suprised at all in his comments over the weekend.

      I agree with Ralph Blewitt. If he’s so relaxed and comfortable, then agree to allow all documents to be released.

    • gobsmack says:

      08:21am | 26/11/12

      I suppose the LNP bloggers are under instruction to raise this non-issue everywhere which is why you ignore the fact there is a dedicated article on the matter where you’re irrelevant opinion can be aired.

      I’ll give you some advice.  Until this matter can be condensed into a 30 second sound-bite for television, nobody cares.

    • GregE says:

      08:49am | 26/11/12

      @gobsmack - well it would appear the Victorian police care. Is their opinion relevant?

      Fraud is a non-issue for you? That’s sad. Very very sad.

      I see no dedicated thread detailing the behaviour or the PM. All I see is ALP spin regurgitated by a loyal deputy!

    • gobsmack says:

      09:16am | 26/11/12

      @GregE

      Here, let me point you to the article:

      “The Opposition will keep this witch hunt trouble bubbling” by Malcolm Farr.

      You can take your pitchfork and flare there and join your braying mates in their faux indignation.

    • GregE says:

      10:02am | 26/11/12

      @gobsmack - but I’m enjoying this discussion with you despite you telling me to get lost.

      I’m not interested in ALP spin regurgitated by a loyal deputy. I’d prefer the Punch to raise a thread that outlines the behaviour of the PM which is being questioned.

      And if you haven’t noticed, this is an open thread. if you don’t want to debate this topic, go bully someone else.

    • gobsmack says:

      10:21am | 26/11/12

      @GregE

      I’m sorry that you feel bullied.

      Rather than hurt your feelings any futher, I’ll ignore your ranting.

    • GregE says:

      11:09am | 26/11/12

      Hardly a rant, but yes better to ignore me if you have nothing of value to add to the conversation.

    • Philosopher says:

      11:25am | 26/11/12

      what gobsmack is trying to say is: the good people of Australia are bored witless by this story; i.e. no-one cares, other than elitist crackpots like Dash. Let’s concentrate on more pressing issues such as… hmm, governance of the country.

    • Dash says:

      11:51am | 26/11/12

      Philosopher - lol “no one cares” about the PM being accused of criminal activity. Good one.

      I guess that’s why she’s called a press conference today. Because no one cares.

      First time I’ve ever been called elitist or crackpot.

      Happy to debate the governance of the country with you. Lets start at the fact that the ALP still can’t balance the nations finances shall we?

    • Dash says:

      01:03pm | 26/11/12

      the PM was asked twice about the power of Attorney in the press conference. Her defense is clear.

      His word against mine. He’s such a nasty man and I can’t remember it was so long ago.

      There you go Victorian Police, you have her line of defense. I can’t recall.

      Not a good look for a Prime Minister.

    • Philosopher says:

      01:05pm | 26/11/12

      Dash I’m not being rude, my reply was ‘Moderated’ into oblivion. Sigh. Why do I bother?

    • AJ in Perth says:

      02:12pm | 26/11/12

      gobsmack

      I’ll do that, but I’m scared shitless I’ll have to read Malcolm F’s piece first ...

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      02:50pm | 26/11/12

      “I can’t recall” sounds familiar, one of Howards fav quotes.

    • Dash says:

      04:13pm | 26/11/12

      @philosopher - i understand. It’s been happening to me a great deal recently!

    • Flossie says:

      08:10am | 26/11/12

      I don’t know why I am amazed, but I am! When Blewitt speaks we are expected to dismiss what he says because he is known to be dodgy in some ways. But when Bruce Wilson speaks apparently it is gospel and we are told the door has closed on the “smears” about the Prime Minister. Is Wilson not as dodgy as Blewitt?

    • TimB says:

      08:34am | 26/11/12

      You would think so, wouldn’t you?

      I for one was waiting to see what hard evidence Blewitt was bringing to the table first. I expect no less from Wilson.

    • iansand says:

      08:34am | 26/11/12

      Has Blewitt spoken yet?  I think someone sent you an early draft of next weeks’ talking point email by mistake.

    • AdamC says:

      08:57am | 26/11/12

      Flossie, there is a whole thread for everyone to discuss this topic. There is no need to Julia-ise the open thread too.

      However, you are right, of course. The other issue, as I noted in the AWU-Gate thread is that there is no reason to believe Wilson knows anything about what Julia knew or did in relation to the slush fund. By all accounts, it was Slaters lawyers (including, at least to some extent, Gllard herself) that handled the relevant paperwork, not Wilson.

    • Dash says:

      08:57am | 26/11/12

      @iansand - yes. Blewitt made a formal and detailed submission to the Victorian Police on November 23rd.

      Blewitt has also made a recorded statement to the media.

      @Flossie - I doubt Wilson would want the police to reopen the case. That may have something to do with his comments over the weekend.

      Ralph Blewitt has apparently requested immunity from his statement being used against him in a court of law.

      I think if Wilson is completely relaxed about everything, perhaps he should allow all relevant document held under client privelidge to be released. My guess is he wont.

    • TimB says:

      09:25am | 26/11/12

      ‘Has Blewitt spoken yet?  I think someone sent you an early draft of next weeks’ talking point email by mistake.’

      Oh dear iansand. You really don’t keep up with these things do you? Swan’s been attacking Blewitt pretty much from the get go.

      http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/11/24/11/00/gillard-smear-has-no-credibility-swan

      Should we not expect the ALP to do the same for Wilson? Why are they claiming that this ends the matter?

    • Tim says:

      09:37am | 26/11/12

      Flossie,
      no you’ve got it wrong.
      Blewitt is a fair dinkum Aussie whistleblower who’s every word is to be taken as Gospel, whereas Wilson is a no good faceless union fraudster who lies constantly to protect his own skin.

      And if Wilson doesn’t answer everything asked of him for ever, then it’s obvious he’s guilty. We don’t need pesky things like evidence round here.

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:37am | 26/11/12

      Dodgy in some ways?

      Some ways?

      It would be a bit like asking Denis Ferguson to babysit your kids….

    • iansand says:

      09:44am | 26/11/12

      All I have seen is a release saying that Blewitt has told the Victoruian cops something, without specifying what.  This appears to have got Dash and TimmyB quite excited.

      Of course my guess is that the terms of his indemnity from prosecution will require him to shut up, so it is unlikely that we will hear much more.  I could be wrong.

    • Knemon says:

      09:48am | 26/11/12

      They’re as dodgy as each other Flossie.

    • TimB says:

      10:06am | 26/11/12

      ‘All I have seen is a release saying that Blewitt has told the Victoruian cops something, without specifying what.  This appears to have got Dash and TimmyB quite excited.’

      No iansand, I’m talking about Swan’s reaction to Blewitt coming forward. What he has actually come forward with is irrelevant at this point (I know not what he has said, nor do I pass judgement either way)

      But ee have been told by Swan that Blewitt, whatever he says, is not to be trusted as he was involved in the fraud. Yet we also have the ALP saying that Wilson, someone else involved, should be taken at his word and the story killed.

      Do you not see the rank hypocrisy in these attitudes?

    • iansand says:

      10:18am | 26/11/12

      TimB - I know that is what you are talking about, but what one politician may say about something is pretty insignificant and not particularly relevant to whether or not Blewitt has said anything of substance.  You can stamp your feet and hold you breath ‘til you turn blue as much as you want, but I regard Swann’s comments to be marginally more sgnificant than yours.

    • Dash says:

      10:23am | 26/11/12

      @iansand - Blewitt has alleged that the Prime Minister falsified a Power of Attorney. He says she was not in the room at the time he signed it. In fact he says she was in another state at the time. She signed as witness!

      If true, that is a criminal act.

      This is the basis for the formal report that was lodged to police. It is also being reported as the reason the Victorian Police asked him to come to Australia and make a formal statement.

      Blewitt has also said that the PoA was signed after the property was purchased. i.e. it was backdated. If true, that is also a criminal act.

      It’s a question of is there sufficient evidence for the Victorian police to prosecute.

      This is a new allegation and one which the Prime Minister has not had put to her.

      In terms of the Wilson comments, it would be great if he allowed all documents to be released from client priviledge if he is so comfortable with everything.

      If the Prime Minister is happy to stand up in parliament and directly answer these allegations by saying she was in the room when the document was signed by Blewitt. And if she is willing to stand up in Parliament and say that the PoA was signed and delivered prior to the purchase, then I will walk away and let this issue be. She has too much on the line to lie about this on the floor of parliament.

      If however, this week we see her skirt the issue and refuse to make a formal statement to parliament, then it will continue to look like she’s running. The best thing for her to do is make a statement to the house answering the new allegations and the issue which is now the basis of a police investigation.

      It is extremely naive to think this is a LNP smear. Particularly when these matters are being raised by people like Rob McClennan of the ALP, ex partners of S&G and a number of senior members of the AWU.

      This notion that it is all a LNP conspirocy in the face of where the allegations are coming from, is nothing but rediculous political spin.

    • TimB says:

      10:32am | 26/11/12

      ’ not particularly relevant to whether or not Blewitt has said anything of substance.’

      That’s not the issue I’m talking about iansand. The specifics of his statement are another discussion.

      In this thread, as started by Flossy it’s a simple question to be considered:

      In your opinion, is the ALP being hypocritical in telling us that Blewitt should not be believed (whatever he might say) whilst also telling us we should listen to Wilson? Yes or no iansand?

    • Tim says:

      10:38am | 26/11/12

      TimB,
      would that be the same rank hypocrisy used by the coalition with regards to Blewitt?

    • Dash says:

      11:00am | 26/11/12

      @Tim - Blewitt has accused the PM of something that has led to an inquiry taking place by Victorian police. The LNP has asked the Prime minister to make a formal statement to parliament about the new allegations.

      Where’s the hypocricy in that?

      It’s nothing like playing the gender victim card and then standing by Peter Slipper. Now that’s hypocricy!

    • DJ says:

      11:08am | 26/11/12

      did not Blewitt’s own sister say he could not be trusted, and in regards to the morgage - he said he never saw it but is all over the paperwork - see Laura Tingle in the Fin review

    • Tim says:

      11:19am | 26/11/12

      Dash,
      are you privy to what Blewitt told the Victorian police last week?
      Michael Smith has sent the police the report you mention based on the Blewitt information but so far nothing has come of it. 

      The LNP have been attacking the PM on this trying to get her to answer questions based on information partly from a known and admitted fraudster. They dismiss Bruce Wilson’s statements because they don’t agree with their agenda and because he’s clearly untrustworthy.

      For what possible reason should the PM address this issue in parliament when there are currently no credible accusations and police have not charged anyone let alone implicated the PM?

      I know you want her to be guilty of something/anything but really at the moment there isn’t any evidence that would stand up to even the most cursory of defences.

    • Abbott B Toast says:

      11:47am | 26/11/12

      This work of fiction will not save Abbott.

      In mid November support for the ALP is 50.5% (up 4%) cf. L-NP 49.5% (down 4%) on a two-party preferred basis according to the latest face-to-face Morgan Poll conducted over the last two weekends, November 10/11 & 17/18, 2012.

      Abbott, gone over Christmas.

    • TimB says:

      11:59am | 26/11/12

      ‘Tim says:10:38am | 26/11/12

      TimB,
      would that be the same rank hypocrisy used by the coalition with regards to Blewitt? ‘

      Which hypocrisy would that be Tim? Like I said, I’ll judge both Wilson and Blewitt on the evidence they provide, not who they are. I would hope the Libs are doing the same thing too. Can you show me where they are not?

    • iansand says:

      01:20pm | 26/11/12

      TimB - I have a better plan.  Do what I do and don’t listen to any of them.  What they say makes not a whit of difference to what the facts are.  And that is that nothing that has been claimed against Ms Gillard causes anyone who actually knows how lawyers function any concern.

      Dash - I would have to see the chronology on the Power of Attorney, but I would be very surprised if any competent agent at an auction allowed signature of the contract by an apparent stranger to the deal without seeing the power of attorney.  If they did they would be extremely negligent.  Which suggests it was in existence at the time of the auction and not created at some later date.  You may be confusing the execution of the transfer document, or the date of registration of the Power of Attorney or any number of other dates.

    • TimB says:

      02:06pm | 26/11/12

      iansand avoiding the question. Why am I not shocked?

      Just a little advice- Next time you try to mock someone with your ‘talking points’ line, it might be a good idea to actually understand the post you’re responding to. You look less silly that way.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      02:59pm | 26/11/12

      Has anyone seen Dash and Blewitt in the same room?

    • iansand says:

      03:19pm | 26/11/12

      TimB finding something amiss in a poster postponing judgment until facts emerge.  Why am I not shocked?

    • TimB says:

      05:08pm | 26/11/12

      ‘TimB finding something amiss in a poster postponing judgment until facts emerge.  Why am I not shocked? ‘

      If you read my very first post, that’s EXACTLY what I said:

      “I for one was waiting to see what hard evidence Blewitt was bringing to the table first. I expect no less from Wilson”

      This was in response to Flossy who expressed amazement that the two men were being treated differently despite their exact same levels of credibility.

      Yet here you come along babling about Blewitt and ‘talking points’.

      Tell me iansand do you actually read anything before you post or do you just bash the keyboard randomly?

    • Ian1 says:

      06:45pm | 26/11/12

      @Dash - Is what you’ve typed true?

      Regarding the Power of Attorney Ms Gillard was embroiled in (in sections);

      “...she was not in the room at the time he signed it. In fact he says she was in another state at the time….”

      “...the PoA was signed after the property was purchased. i.e. it was backdated. If true, that is also a criminal act….”

      Explosive.  If so that goes way beyond the naive defence.

    • Dash says:

      08:32am | 26/11/12

      Over the weekend, the ALP has rolled out a number of ministers with the line that there are no allegations against the Prime Minister under the AWU scandal.

      That is wrong!

      A report of the Prime Minister’s conduct was lodged with Victorian police on 17 October 2012.

      The Victorian police asked to talk to Ralph Blewitt about the matter and he returned to Australia. Ralph Blewitt visited the Victorian police on 23 November to make a formal and detailed statement.

      To say that no allegations have been made against the Prime Minster is just plain wrong! The police do not make a habit of investigating nothing!

      Shame Mal Farr doesn’t want to report that in his thread today. I guess he’s too busy touting the ALP line.

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:30am | 26/11/12

      still fighting the good fight Dash?

      Its done, it was always done….but you keep plugging away. At least it keeps you out of the way of actual issues wink

    • Dash says:

      10:43am | 26/11/12

      Better to fight the good fight than the one you’re waging!

      I notice the PM has called a press conference for 1pm today to discuss this non-issue! - lol

      Nothing like the ALP in damage control!

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:28pm | 26/11/12

      How did your press event go Dash?

      Get the result you were looking for??

      I am betting not smile

    • TimB says:

      08:35am | 26/11/12

      You know what’s not fun?

      Spending most of a Sunday moving furniture all over Western Sydney in 35+ degree heat.

      Ugh.

    • Knemon says:

      09:57am | 26/11/12

      You should have removed your hijab wink

    • playo says:

      10:24am | 26/11/12

      Protips
      Lay off the buckets of KFC
      Get your sport on the field, not on the couch.

    • Philosopher says:

      11:20am | 26/11/12

      well you shouldn’t have stolen the furniture in the first place.
      I certainly hope you haven’t fenced it yet/exchanged for bud/4 cases of Carleton Draught.

    • Rebecca says:

      02:00pm | 26/11/12

      You know what’s fun? Spending most of Sunday in your garden in the eastern suburbs enjoying the beautiful warm summer breeze.

      It’s even more fun moving from a crime-ridden bogan suburb to a prestigious one and being a snob about it.

    • Philosopher says:

      03:09pm | 26/11/12

      Snobs are great, as long as they are proud to be snobs. Nothing worse than a covert snob.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:31pm | 26/11/12

      You can take the bogan out of *insert appropriate capital city shithole* but you can’t take the *insert appropriate capital city shithole* out of bogans - no matter what suburb they move to wink

    • AdamC says:

      09:12am | 26/11/12

      In case any Punchers were interested in something other than AWU-Gate, I saw this article about NAPLAN testing:

      http://www.theage.com.au/national/naplan-tests-take-heavy-toll-20121125-2a1n6.html

      Yet again, we see the education club trying to restrict accountability. Apparently, the NAPLAN tests are stressful for students. Really? Aren’t all tests stressful? Maybe we should just eliminate all testing from schools. Hey, maybe we should just not teach kids anything they do not already know.

      In addition, apparently, teachers are ‘teaching to the (NAPLAN) test’. Given that NAPLAN tests literacy and numeracy, I reckon that is a good thing. This is because, despite the protestations of teachers unions, our education system is not about churning out highly creative lif-long leaners who cannot read, write or do basic arithmetic or algebra.

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:34am | 26/11/12

      The funny thing about NAPLAN is that we were told is was jsut a way to see how well schools were doing etc and they weren’t formal marks for the kids….

      ....my oldest is hititng high school next year (Grade 8 in Qld) and every private high school we spoke with all wanted her latest NAPLAN results. Its no skin off my nose as she’s in the top bracket for all her subjects but I am wondering how these informal records suddenly became very formal.

    • Ally says:

      09:45am | 26/11/12

      Having gone to a private school, I was used to have regular weekly quizzes and tests through primary and secondary school. This included major end of year exams in grades nine and ten. Of course, we all hated it at the time, but it was incredibly useful practice for pre-tertiary exams in grades 11 and 12.

      I remember talking to friends that had been through the public system and their first experience of a major test was their pre-tertiary exams. Pre-NAPLAN, was this seriously the standard? It seems incredible to me that testing kids is seen as a bad and stressful thing to do that should be avoided.

    • Tim says:

      09:48am | 26/11/12

      Yes,
      surveying teachers about a test that they don’t like and want to get rid of is going to give a completely accurate representation.

    • bella starkey says:

      10:06am | 26/11/12

      @TheRealDave

      I wouldn’t worry about that. Most private schools make kids take standardised test-like placement exams before they start, it’s not for entrance but to put them in the correct classes for their ability. They are probably just trying to save a bit of money by using NAPLAN rather than private testing.

    • AdamC says:

      10:13am | 26/11/12

      TRD, I understood that NAPLAN is also about following individual students’ progress so that schools and teachers can tailor learning plans accordingly. You are right, though, that NAPLAN is not part of school-based student performance assessments. I guess private schools can ask for whatever information they want about prospective students, assuming parents are prepared to hand the material over.

      Ally, we do our kids a great disservice by not giving them exam experience reasonably early on. Students ultimately need to learn the skills to cope with expectations, disappointments and high-stakes challenges. They are part of life, after all. And high-performing Asian education systems incorporate testing from an early age.

      Obviously, you can overdo study of (and testing on) the basics. Students should receive a well-rounded education. However, they need to achieve a reasonable standard in academic subjects before they can focus on other areas. 

      Tim, yeah, it is not a surprise. I just do not undestand the culture of education in this country.

    • TimB says:

      10:16am | 26/11/12

      @ Ally, I can’t speak for the other states but I know in NSW we had to do the Basic Skills exam in years 3 and 5. I assume this is comparable to the NAPLAN stuff today.

      Did the other states not have some equivalent?

      And I can’t believe there were public schools out there that didn’t do regular tests. I mean we had them in high school (not as rigorous as the Year 11/12 stuff, but still important). I could almost chalk that up to being in a selective school as opposed to a bog-standard public school, but even back in primary school we had end of semester exams too.

    • iansand says:

      10:23am | 26/11/12

      “Teaching to the test” means teaching kids to answer questions typical of those tests.  Not a great education, in my book.  All they are learning is to pass that particular exam.

    • Ally says:

      10:33am | 26/11/12

      @TimB - It utterly amazed me to find out that these particular school students faced their first major exam in years 11/12. Prior to that it was just the odd once off test in class that didn’t make a major contribution to their final grades. I hope that it was purely because they went to crappy high schools and it wasn’t the standard practice for all public high schools.

      There are always going to be kids that have exam freak outs, but I would have thought that getting them used to exam conditions early would only be beneficial in the long run.

    • AdamC says:

      10:45am | 26/11/12

      Iansand, your comment makes no sense. Have a look at some NAPLAN practice resources from the Northern Territory
      (the NT stuff was simply what came up when I did a Google search):

      http://www.det.nt.gov.au/teachers-educators/assessment-reporting/nap/schools/tests/2009-practice-tests

      I must be too dumb to be a teacher because, as far as I can see, the best way to prepare kids for those tests would be to teach them basic mathematics, problem solving skills, reading and writing. Is there some easier way to ‘teach to the test’ that does not involve teaching students those basic, necessary things?

    • Stuss says:

      12:46pm | 26/11/12

      TimB and Ally, as I’ve posted on tory’s NAPLAN thread, yes tassie had this type of testing in the nineties. I also sat both mid year and end of year exams in years nine and ten. This was in a public school. They were internally written and marked, but certainly designed as a taster of what we would see in years 11 and 12.

    • ibast says:

      09:42am | 26/11/12

      The top of that statue doesn’t look comfortable, even if you had pants on.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:35am | 26/11/12

      Well, given a large concentration of young drunk inexperienced girls…..thats just a ‘target rich environment’ for ANY young bloke.

      Contrary to popular belief the average ‘Toolie’ isn’t some 35 year old predator…..most of them are 18, 19, 20 year old kids only a year or two older than the school leavers themselves. Not saying there isn’t a ratbag feral element there as well.

      Plus, its not like they are coming across the country for them….Schoolies celebrations are usually clustered right on all the popular toruist destinations that are full of young adults partying every weekend. Are they expected to ‘stay home’ for 3 weeks?

    • Tim says:

      11:23am | 26/11/12

      AdamC,
      when I was 18 most of the girls I knew thought they were extremely “mature” and were chasing guys that were in their mid 20’s.

      Perhaps these “toolies” are just providing a welcome service?

    • tez says:

      03:02pm | 26/11/12

      Did you notice on the news how many girls were running about with yellow bandanas around there arms.

    • Janey says:

      10:21am | 26/11/12

      I took my child to sit the test for a learner’s driving licence.
      The form we filled out asked if he would like to participate in “secret sharing”.  Ugh to the QLD government and their slimy language.
      One of the questions was “what is your childhood nickname?”
      I explained that the correct box to tick is NO to avoid even more invasive telemarketers and other assorted scumbags.

    • Draconian says:

      02:03pm | 26/11/12

      Hahaha good one Janey.  The “secret sharing” is so that the driver can go on-line to renew their licence or change their address details etc as the new drivers licence doesn’t show the address.  QTMR doesn’t share this information with anyone else so invasive telemarketers and other assorted scumbags will not have access to this information.  Did you even read the pamphlet?

    • Dash says:

      10:29am | 26/11/12

      The Prime minister has called a 1pm press conference today.

      I expect this is to stage manage once again a response to the AWU scandal before parliament gets the chance to ask her questions.

      If she doesn’t answer questions about the PoA, it will achieve nothing!

      If like prior press conferences, she will choose who asks the questions, will not allow follow up questions, and will use the conference to call it all a LNP smear and conspirocy.

      Damage control here we come!

    • gobsmack says:

      03:09pm | 26/11/12

      Yes.

      She came out fighting again.

      She’s always at her best when cornered and the journalists peddling this nonsense have actually done her a favour.

      I’ve noticed the rabble has quitened down.

    • AdamC says:

      03:32pm | 26/11/12

      I am a little confused about the PM’s pre-question time presser. As usual, it begged more questions than it resolved. For example, if Gillard says she dumped Wilson as a lover in 1995 based merely on ‘rumours’, when did she actually learn of substantive allgations of fraud on his part? Likewise, when did she find out about the looting of the slush fund?

      Also, if she had nothing to do with administering the slush fund, why was the certificate of currency for insurance on the Fitzroy flat addressed to her? And, if as she has conceded, she knew the slush fund was a slush fund from the beginning, who gave the seemingly misleading information to WA registration authorities?

      I should stress that I have only been able to read the online coverage of the press conference. Did the PM respond to any of these issues in unreported aspects of the conference?

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:34pm | 26/11/12

      lol - good one, as if a lack of evidence or credibility will ‘quiten’ any of them down - especially not Dash n Co wink

      Bit like Trump and his ‘Birthers’ in the States really…..

    • Ex says:

      11:10am | 26/11/12

      How many of the current Australian Cricket commentators…can’t see or hear anymore?  It’s almost as bad as Gus Gould, whatever they say, the opposite is true.

    • tez says:

      11:45am | 26/11/12

      Re# Naked man thank goodness a good body with no tatoos. I can’t wait till winter when they will all be covered up again.

    • Ian1 says:

      12:51pm | 26/11/12

      More on entrenched sexism from the Judiciary, this from the courier mail reporting of the Keli Lane childkiller appeal.

      Former Supreme Court Justice Anthony Whealy, who recently retired from the bench, said he believed the Crown case would be difficult to prove as there was no body and “it did not make sense to me for a mother to do that”.

      Do I need to highlight the sexism here?  Neonaticide the next most likely to be “altered” in the Macquarie Dictionary any time soon?

      No mother could be an evil person… Bah humbug!

    • Draconian says:

      02:08pm | 26/11/12

      You want to see sexism?  Just watch sunrise in the morning on channel 7.  They had a couple of male models on the other day where one of the “ladies” of the show lifted one of the models shirts to show his abs, saying:  “Look at this aren’t these wonderful?”  If Koshie had done something similiar to a female model, we would never have heard the end of it.  Talk about double standards!

    • Black Dynamite says:

      01:09pm | 26/11/12

      The Julia Gillard Press Conference Drinking game:

      - Every time Gillard uses the word “smear” take a shot.

      I’m drunk as hell!

      Black Dynamite

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      03:19pm | 26/11/12

      Ill do the smear and you do the ‘bad government’ shot every time Abbott says that.

      Or every time Abbott releases a policy or says something constructive ill take a shot. Lucky I don’t like shots!

    • Black Dynamite says:

      03:58pm | 26/11/12

      Instead of doing the whole boring Abbott vs Gillard thing lets just agree that both leaders of our political parties in Australia are rubbish.

      Black Dynamite

    • Philosopher says:

      01:29pm | 26/11/12

      To judge by the naked man’s positioning of groin near the Duke’s face, I would guess he has certain sexual inclinations. Is this a protest for equal marriage rights?

    • Rebecca says:

      02:08pm | 26/11/12

      Is statuesexual a thing now?

    • Philosopher says:

      03:01pm | 26/11/12

      ha ha Rebecca, it’s a trend that started in Vienna. Predicting it won’t become big here, fortunately. Some good things about our lack of public art.

    • Swamp Thing says:

      01:55pm | 26/11/12

      When does Gillard run out of ‘victim’ cards to play?

    • TimB says:

      02:48pm | 26/11/12

      Never. It’s like a losing game of Solitaire. After she runs through the deck, she picks up all the used cards and starts again.

    • Dot says:

      02:56pm | 26/11/12

      When Abbott grows a spine.

    • Philosopher says:

      03:05pm | 26/11/12

      when Abbott runs out of ‘Sour-faced Moron’ cards.

    • LJ Dots says:

      06:14pm | 26/11/12

      Dot, what does that comment even mean? How does Abbott being spineless affect what Gillard does? If anything, I’d say the reverse could only be true.

      It must be close to Christmas, once again I’m fighting with the in-laws.

    • PJ says:

      02:22pm | 26/11/12

      Bowen tells us the masses of temporary visa workers are not taking Australian jobs.

      However I find myself once again dealing with an Australian based agency that is telling me it can supply overseas resources to me much cheaper than Australian resources.

      I had another agency that brags it fills rolls quickly because it advertises Australian jobs in Australia and overseas simultaneously.

      I have been assured by both that the lead times to recruitment as not dissimilar because they do this all the time (supply temporary visa workers into Australian jobs) and the process is efficient.

      When I checked out the newspaper I was directed to i was shocked to see 467 jobs advertised and some of those were basic entry level jobs or traineeships.

      This proves to me that temporary workers are competing with Australuan workers for jobs and are winning the competition by being cheaper resources.

      Of the new jobs created over the past 5 years, 53.6% have gone to foreign workers. That’s a scandal.

    • Baloo says:

      02:25pm | 26/11/12

      Why is it every summer people at the company I work for like our office to have similar temperature to that of Antarctica?
      Just because it may be hot outside doesn’t mean we have to be uncomfortably cold inside.

    • sami says:

      02:43pm | 26/11/12

      Not much going on here. Just been putting up xmas decorations…. I have 2x 100m fairy lights to go up yet, which should be interesting wink

    • ibast says:

      04:00pm | 26/11/12

      Isn’t it bad luck to put up Christmas decorations in November

    • sami says:

      05:52pm | 26/11/12

      Maybe, though I normally put them up in October so I’m not sure wink anyway I make my own luck!

    • AdamC says:

      02:52pm | 26/11/12

      Comments are taking a while to load up again, after being reasonably prompt this morning. Maybe the Punch mods are being flooded with defamatory comments about Julia’s AWU-Gate press conference?

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      03:27pm | 26/11/12

      Read something interesting today. Jews are being recognised in the new constitution of Egypt and free to practice their religion.

      Good sign, although not many Jews left in Egypt after the 60s war.

 

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