After nine years of trying to conceive, Manchester couple Lesley and John Brown gave birth to Louise, the world’s first test tube baby, this week in 1978. A newspaper paid £300,000 for the family’s story, which inspired thousands of people. By the time Louise was 21 in 1999, hundreds of thousands of women had concieved using IVF. That same year,  Louise’s younger sister Natalie became the first IVF baby to in turn conceive - Louise followed soon after, giving birth to a son in 2004.

Beautiful baby born in a test tube. Photo: Camera Press

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    • Peter#1 says:

      06:42am | 26/07/11

      Lucy, great article showing what medical advancements can achieve.
      However, we live in a world of contradictions.
      Daily we see the anguish and desperation of couples unable to conceive, women heartbroken that they have just miscarried or have given birth to a stillborn child and at the same time we see women, for whatever reason, terminating pregnancies.
      It is indeed a beautiful, but crazy, mixed-up world.

    • S.L says:

      07:21am | 26/07/11

      I attended a 2 year olds birthday party on Sunday. All the invited toddlers were the offspring of single mothers as indeed was the birthday boy. Some of the mums with 2 or more kids were all with different fathers. Courtesy of Centrelink them and their current partners are all living quite comfortably. Comfortably enough for hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars worth of tattoos and spraytans and the idea of a job just doesn’t compute.
      Then I look at a few hardworking couples I know who can’t concieve and have spend the equivalent of 2 years salary trying. It just isn’t fair!

    • jay-ded says:

      07:50am | 26/07/11

      It isn’t fair at all.  These people have no need to work.  If they were to go out and get a job, with their limited education, they would be bringing in less than what they receive off the government.  There is no incentive.

    • S.L says:

      08:42am | 26/07/11

      jay-ded you hit the nail right on the head. I knew a couple in Port Maquarie who had 4 kids between them (2 each) and even the lady at centrelink told them they’d be hard pushed to find employment that would earn more than their entitlements. So they didn’t bother to look after that!

    • Dash says:

      09:08am | 26/07/11

      Sorry to say this again, but these are the people rewarded by the ALP under the carbon tax compensation scheme. They get benefits plus the “buffer”. Meanwhile, the householder that educates themselves, has kids and a mortgage, already pays lots of tax, claims no financial assistance at all and works 13 hour days to try to make a better life for themselves and their family, gets punished.

      We have a government who punishes success and rewards lazy arses on the tax take. I just don’t understand this at all. It’s not right! And we should not stand by and let it happen!

    • jay-ded says:

      09:23am | 26/07/11

      What can we do Dash?  We’ve all stated that we don’t like it.  We’ve probably all gone onto multiple websites and placed our name on multiple lists stating that we don’t like it.

      What else can we do?

    • Elphaba says:

      09:25am | 26/07/11

      Yep, it’s ridiculous. I’m all for helping genuinely struggling families, but these people that can afford the most ridiculous extravagance on payments that are supposed to help you keep your head above water, not fund the extras, is sickening.

      Middle class welfare needs to be abolished.  The money used to prop these families up needs to be invested in infrastructure, and services, and creating more jobs.

    • Knemon says:

      09:45am | 26/07/11

      You can’t help yourself, can you Dash? The Punch is trying to provide a carbon free week and your first post on the open thread has to mention it…personally, I believe that the open thread should be carbon free permanently…but of course, I’m just trying to shut down freedom of speech! (I’m not being narky, just sayin’)

    • fairsfair says:

      09:48am | 26/07/11

      Yeah, I am keen to do something too. It is spiralling out of control and if it is not curtailed, how bad will it get? Imagine what it will be like when the birthday boy is an adult.

      Should we seriously look at starting ‘FuckOff!’ ?? Though, we might have to throw in an * or amend that slightly… I would like to be part of a group of no party affiliated average Australians who look at a situation for what it is actually worth and not within the prism of some stupid party ideology supported and encouraged by fat cats who are purely in it to feather their own nests.

      It is unbelieveable the amount of people who share the sentiment, but where is our soapbox and where will we be heard? What do we have to do?

      Who an build a website, who had the time? Should it just be started on facebook (seems to be what all the kids are doing these days).

    • Tim says:

      09:53am | 26/07/11

      A lot of these families live in marginal seats which is part of the reason why the government of the day is always keen to buy them off.
      John Howard did it.
      K Rudd did it.
      Julia Gillard is doing it.

      Its ridiculous.

    • Seanr says:

      09:55am | 26/07/11

      Exactly right jay-ded, the incentive isn’t there to work, until this is changed the welfare cycle will continue. I think the income management system should be rolled out nationally. Hopefully this might provide some incentive for people to move off welfare.

      Dash, I couldn’t agree more, just annoys me that welfare dependents get so much assistance.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:56am | 26/07/11

      @fairs, I’d join.  FB is where non-party affiliated people hang out.  We should look at designing bumper stickers!

      Aww… poor Knemon.  Harden up.  We all want what we can’t have.

    • Dash says:

      10:13am | 26/07/11

      @Knemon -  Yes the open thread allows us to share “what’s on your mind”. My comment was relevant to S.L.‘s post and it’s on my mind.

      Knemon, this is the kind of nonsense that people are angry about. It’s the type of lefty policy that the greens and the ALP are inflicting upon hard working people right the way accross the country. We are not interested in the environment being used as an excuse for socialism.

      Which part of my post do you disagree with?

      Btw it was my second post today.

    • AdamC says:

      10:16am | 26/07/11

      In my view, a good first step would be to offer to pay certain qualifying individuals (you know, the dole bludger set) 50% of the kiddie benefit if they go and get one of those implanted contraceptive thingies. After all, why not incentivise better outcomes, rather than just writing more cheques whenever the gal in questions drops a new bundle of welfare dependency onto society?

    • fairsfair says:

      10:40am | 26/07/11

      I think that is a valid idea AdamC, but I disagree. Incentivising common sense is pointless, and that is where the origins of the current situation lay. Originally, it was to help out - now it has gone so very far the other way it is frightening.

      I think we should nominate a future date and cull. Lets say 1 January 2015 and state that radical welfare reform begins at that date. No baby bonus, capped childrens payment and tax breaks (lets say at 3 kids), time limits of public housing (5 years. You can achieve heaps to better your life in five years). Single parent pensions need to be scaled right back. Associated perks need to be addressed. Its happening to the old age pension. I am all for the scale back of the old age pension, but not simply to support young breeders and bludgers with the saved funds. I would rather see the old aged pension stay or even be ramped up, than watch the funds be diverted in order to purchase LaTrice’s fifth child’s Ipad2 or ensure some druggo family gets to stay in a housing commission house because they don’t have the fortitude or the desire to better their life for themselves and their kids. People have lost sight of consequences. If you go out and have three children to three different men a consequence of that is to live on the bone of your arse and not have opportunities that other people have. How dare people think that they can live a life free of responsibility and allow the tax payer to pick up the tab. Agh, it is infuriating!

      /end rant

    • Michael says:

      10:44am | 26/07/11

      Knemon, the Punch said “it” wouldn’t be doing carbon tax stories for the week, all commenters can bring it up if they want, what’s the problem?

      This is the open thread…

    • jay-ded says:

      11:19am | 26/07/11

      I agree Fairsfair.  Enough is enough.  We’ve all had to work bloody hard to be where we are.  Without government support.  I had all my children before they brought in the baby bonus.  Family income was too high to receive anything from the government.

      The whole thing is ludicrous.  I’d rather out tax dollar went to educating them in a trade or something similar rather than just handing out cash.

    • iMitchy says:

      12:08pm | 26/07/11

      Right up the top S.L. mentioned Port Macquarie in a thread about welfare. Good work. Port Macquarie is synonymous with welfare.

      I grew up there. My mum is a single mum and my younger brother has a different father to me and my older brother - there is nine years between me and my younger brother mind you. Mum is on welfare and has been since her and Dad divorced in ‘93 when I was 6.
      Dad owns his home in Port Mac and is a high school teacher in Wauchope.
      When my older brother left school he got the dole for about 6-12 months while he looked for work in Port, when he realised there wasn’t any he moved away from his family to the Gold Coast and got work managing pizza shops. He is now a soldier in the ADF and is heading to Afghanistan this year.
      When I left school I had a similar experience. Got the dole for a while and made some extra cash playing in a band and picking avocados up at Telegraph Point but then moved to the Gold Coast to get work.
      After finding out that Gold Coast is pretty much a retail industry hub if you don’t have any uni qualifications, I moved to Perth and started a business and made good money.
      The business has since ceased but I’m now working in oil and gas and found out yesterday that I got a 25% (to about $83K) payrise starting July1.

      I appreciated the assistance of welfare when I needed it, due to living in a low employment area, but this story goes to show that with a little initiative and the willingness to leave your hometown and comfort zone, there is money out there - even for a couple of brothers who never even considered uni.

      PS My little brother is almost 16 now and while Mum still gets benefits, she is in her 4th year of Phycology at Southern Cross Uni. Even old dogs can learn new tricks. (sorry for calling you a dog Mum…)

    • Shifter says:

      12:12pm | 26/07/11

      @jay - How to fix? Remove the compulsory vote.

      Let me preface this by saying this is personal opinion, and I’m not 100% sure if it would stack up.

      Those that depend on welfare strike me at the type who will not do things unless they have to. They generally have not been educated, they are initially unwilling to work, unwilling to use contraception but very willing to indulge in their lifestyle.

      Political parties obtain power by obtaining votes in key areas. Compulsory voting means Australia has a much higher turn out than a a non-compulsory voting country (US for example) and percentage of valid votes in each election. Thus the quantity of votes from election to election is stable, and known. Political parties merely have to influence voters to choose a side. Of recent this has been done by welfare bribes and ‘compensation’.

      If the compulsory voting restriction is removed, we introduce a new element to the electoral system - voter apathy. A percentage of the population able to vote will not bother to vote, thus the total number of votes in an election becomes an unknown. To win power a political party not only needs to sway the person to choose them, but also engage the person to vote.

      The welfare dependents mentioned above are in my opinion more likely to not vote. These are the vote gained by bribes, not the ones who care about energy production policy, or new infrastructure. They are the people who worry how much they are ‘gonna get’ as individuals, and not the broader community benefit which governments should focus on.

      You’d imagine these bribe votes are the ones that put the current government in power. So if they aren’t there in a marginal seat, suddenly an election changes.

      Simply based on the idea that the more educated are less likely to be apathetic when it comes to voting, and less likely to be welfare dependent, I believe we would see a switch in focus of policy, and the funds allocated to such things.

      Eventually, it will result in people realised that they need to support themselves.

    • S.L says:

      12:27pm | 26/07/11

      fairsfair don’t get me started on houso’s! In my area the department are selling three streets of houses they own. (Right oposite a pub would you believe!) The “gentrification” of the area has begun! All the dumped and unregistered cars are replaced with registered and roadworthy ones, the lawns are mowed, the pitbulls, rottwielers and staffys are replaced by labradors, border collies and silky terriers. No drug dealers anymore. Fresh paint everywhere! On school days there’s not a school aged child to be seen.
      The former no go zone of my area is now quite an asset….............

    • jay-ded says:

      12:40pm | 26/07/11

      @ Shifter.  I don’t know if I could agree with that Shifter.  There should be another way rather than just negating the compulsory vote.  Get rid of the bribes to start off with.  There should be some sort of compulsory education.  Not just the rule - you must go to school until your 16 or have completed year 10. 

      The old saying - “Teaching a person to fish…. etc.”  There must be a way of helping these people help themselves.  Not help themselves to our tax dollars for a free ride.

    • Economist says:

      12:47pm | 26/07/11

      IF you know of people rorting the system call 13 15 24.The issue is to support the system that support you, wasn’t that the Howard government advertising?

      We spend about a third of the budget $110 billion on support payments, from the old age pension, to disability, carers, newstart, parenting payments, youth allowance etc. The Howard government quite rightly introduced mutual obligation, that people must demonstrate they are looking for work and or participate in education, training work for the dole. The Howard government also introduced more payments so your complaints against Labor may be misplaced..

      I think there will always be a percentage of the population that exploits the system, but I think its exaggerated.

    • iMitchy says:

      12:58pm | 26/07/11

      @Shifter - you’ve hit that nail right on the head. I can’t believe more people haven’t brought that up.
      That would definately be in Australia’s best interests and it reaches far beyond welfare. While on that point though, I don’t think that most welfare reliant voters realise that each time they vote in a government due to some kind of “compensation” it drives up the cost of living well beyond their initial reward. So non-compulsary voting would actually be doing them (and all of us) a favour.

      Good luck getting it through though. No political party would support it because it messes with their predictible target audience to cater to.

      But if they did put it to a referendum, it would get straight through (with I’m guessing upward of 80% “for” vote) as there would be an influx of people saying “great, I vote for this being the last time I have to vote”, and others saying “great, the results of the elections I vote in in future won’t be tainted by donkey voters and self serving welfare reliant voters only turning up to avoid a fine”. Landslide.

      Genius.

    • Shifter says:

      01:02pm | 26/07/11

      @jay - how would you get rid of the bribes? To me, they are there to simply buy votes. If the votes don’t exist due to apathy, then there is no need for the welfare bribes.

      Governments won’t remove them because it will make them un-popular with the voters. Remove those voters from the equation and we get some more creative thinking; rather than handing out money for playing starfish, governments make it un-attractive to the welfare dependent to do nothing. We can then see the creation of positive incentive based welfare like the get-off-your-ass-and-go-to-school benefit.

    • fairsfair says:

      01:11pm | 26/07/11

      Economist, is your comment directed at Dash? I interpreted his gripe to be carbon tax assistance related only - the rest is just an unpartisan beef against welfare.

      I don’t give a shit who did what and when and how. It needs to stop and it is not just a matter of dobbing someone in. You have to be able to prove it and irrespective of whether you choose to believe it or not, some people devote as much time to projecting an image for the system, as the would at work - if they could be bothered.

      My best friend’s late neighbour (housing commission house, recently suicided) was the ‘carer’ for several of the drunken aboriginal men who frequent the rotunda on main street. The men have been banned from the local mission for their behaviour, so they live in the park opposite the police station and the police kindly take them into emergency everytime they need the stomach pumped of their dressing changed or their stitches out. She was receiving their pension payments and a carers allowance for each of them and then “rationing” their payments out to them. She was found out, and now she is not alive anymore.

      Now that they have pressure cleaned the inside of the house, replaced the kitchen and slashed the yard (essentially a controlled burn), it is inhabited by a lady with five children to five different men. She has recently moved up from NSW and stepped right into QLD govt funded housing. 

      I know that there are deserving people out there, and I am happy that I live in a country that offers that assistance - but my observations of the engrained welfare “lifestyle” of my home town are sickening.

    • AdamC says:

      01:17pm | 26/07/11

      I’m totally down with the sentiments here, people, but politics is the art of the possible. You gotta start somewhere. And there would be legions of do gooders getting the welfare set down to the polling booths if we made voting voluntary.

    • John Smythe says:

      01:32pm | 26/07/11

      Fairs, try this link.
      http://australianalliance.org/

      Someone posted it yesterday and I haven’t read through it much, but may be on the same line.

    • Dash says:

      01:42pm | 26/07/11

      @Economist - Hi, I’m interested in your honest thoughts about the compensation package announced by the ALP recently. From my stand point, people seem to be discriminated against and punished purely on the basis of thier income and demographics. Certainly not because of how they pollute.

      When we compensate the big union coal industry for producing the means to pollute, yet place the cost burden at the feet of Australians on the basis of earning 80,000 or more, it seems to me to be little about the environment and all about wealth redistribution.

      It destroys the claim to a free market mechinism, it sends the wrong signal to the market and it punishes the big taxpayers, not the big polluters.

      We’ve had the floody levy aimed at middle to high income earners. We’ve had the removal of tax incentives for retirement savings. We’ve had legislation introduced to means test the private health tax rebate. We’ve had $2billion stripped from family assistance. We’ve had changes in the second and third tax brackets to exclude middle and high income earners from tax breaks (bracket creep is the governments friend remember). And now we have a carbon tax for which middle and high income Australia will pay. The ALP’s agenda is very clear to me. Punish the people creating the nations wealth and reward people on welfare who are destroying wealth and or the people already paying little tax.

      Why do we punish success and the people driving the nations wealth when we should be encouraging it?

    • Knemon says:

      01:49pm | 26/07/11

      @ Dash - I don’t disagree with your comment per se, I too am sick of the welfare bludgers in this country - I’m just so over the carbon tax debate, which in itself is not responsible for the creation of the welfare state we find ourselves living in…but, as Elphaba rightly said - It’s obviously time for me to harden up.

    • Economist says:

      03:45pm | 26/07/11

      @Dash firstly let me state from the outset that the Carbon tax is going to cost me about $750. Also you may be interested in an analysis I’ve previously done on the Punch where I demonstrated the current predicament with tax and welfare. I compared two households, one earning (HH1) $100000 a year and another (HH2) earning $40000 a year. Despite the fact that HH1 earnings 2.5 times as much in gross earnings after tax and benefit redistribution, HH1 net earnings are only 1.5 times HH2. This is why as others have highlighted they feel no better off then the welfare bludgers. So sure we need welfare and tax reform.

      Regarding the carbon compensation package yes, you and I will pay more, I don’t object if it does change behaviour and the theory(?) is that it will because of the price increase substitution effect rather than the price increase income effect. (I think the objections to the tax is more about why are we going it alone when the three big economies (US, China, India) aren’t going as hard, rather than an objection to the potential cost increase itself to Australians, but opinions on why it is unpopular are so diverse given that many people don’t believe in CC itself). IF the targeted investment component gives us a comparative advantage in renewables I’d argue that the tax was worthwhile.

      I like the fact that the package is assisting steel. Excluding petrol I don’t have a problem with given that prices are increasing and people are reducing their demand without the tax.  The key issue for me is whether the tax will be inflationary and push up interest rates. This will hurt my back pocket more than the tax itself. However there also is the potential for the tax, along with the mining tax,  to slow mining preventing the two speed economy and slowing down inflationary activity in WA, and Queensland where people in these states are willing to pay more for good and services pushing inflation up.

      The issue is we’ll see in 2 years time how things are travelling and 8 years time to see whether we’ve hit the 5% target. Happy to elaborate more if you want.

    • Yuri says:

      07:55am | 26/07/11

      Since no one else wanted to attempt this one, here is a poem on Gavin’s budgie smugglers. I admit it’s a bit disjointed, but I felt the need to capture recent revelations.

      Working Title: The Birds and the ‘G’s

      What’s up with Gavin? Is the question from Fairs
      He’s on the Gold Coast with Nossy, displaying his wares
      Each day we’re told of their morning beach run
      And beautiful Queensland with an abundance of sun

      On this one subject, you’d think we’d expire
      Of hearing of Gav in his minor attire
      But with the metaphors and imagery rife
      And descriptions that shock the average house-wife

      We tune in to hear the daily reports
      Will today be the budgies, or maybe board shorts?
      Please, no more, the Punchers may cry
      That’s not a good image in my mind’s eye!

      But really we like hearing of Gav and his trunks
      And the crowds he alarms with his windmilling junk
      Yes we love hearing of the old budgie smugglers
      His way of deterring those dastardly muggers

      Proposed, and rejected; Gav wearing a ‘String
      To save offence of the eyes from the sight of his thing
      Will you join him Nossy? The reply is terse
      Not in budgies mate, those things are perverse

      So if you see these two blokes, out on the sand
      Do not approach him, lest he think you a fan
      He’d dance you a routine, and when he was done
      ‘Cause he’s from Queensland, he’d pull out his gun!

    • jay-ded says:

      08:39am | 26/07/11

      Yuri - YAY - Another one to add to the poets list.  Dash will be ecstatic.

      And BTW, we never hear enough about Gavins Budgies wink

    • fairsfair says:

      08:40am | 26/07/11

      That is hilarious. Windmilling junk! LOL

      Well written Yuri - love it!

    • nossy says:

      08:54am | 26/07/11

      @Yuri - thats not bloody bad Yuri!  You have talent fella and dont let Reggie tell you otherwise as he no doubt will. Update on Gav - hes taken to wearing boardies with zeal and never appeared in the dreaded Mankini as I thought he might cause “affront” - and plenty of it!  hahahahahha

    • Dash says:

      08:58am | 26/07/11

      Yuri - awesome!!! Love the “windmilling junk” line.

      Here’s the poem I wrote about budgies. I’m sure we’ve all seen sad blokes like this on the beach before. I put it up on the Punch late one afternoon a few weeks back (jay-ded, it’s not about me - lol):

      IT’S NOT A BUDGIE

      See my new cossie here out on the beach
      I know what you’re thinkin’ he looks quite the peach
      Is he smuggling a budgie or is that a canoe?
      That aint no small bird, more a cockatoo
      I might be older but that just makes me wise
      And I know that my body’s a site for the eyes
      ‘Cause I’ve had the back waxed and the bikini line too
      And I’m tanned and I’m proud and I’m here just for you
      I know you feel faint and quite moist down below
      And you wish you could star with me in a porno
      So don’t hold back now, don’t be bashful or shy
      I’ll show you my pad, it’s really close by
      And if you play your cards right, I might just let you see
      That the bird that I’m smuggling is not a budgie.

    • jay-ded says:

      09:26am | 26/07/11

      Still funny as Dash.  smile

      The"Quite moist down below” line gets me everytime….  wink

    • nossy says:

      09:45am | 26/07/11

      @ Yuri - I rang Gav this morning and told him he was “in print” and hes chuffed - only problem is Yuri he now threatens to bring the Budgies out of retirement - what have you done fella?  hahaahhaahahha

    • TimB says:

      10:26am | 26/07/11

      Does anyone else think that Nossy *IS* Gavin? Sort of a Fight Club situation? raspberry

      I have the same theory regarding Joe Hildebrand and his mate Darren.

    • jay-ded says:

      11:16am | 26/07/11

      Here’s a poem about Reggie


      Does Reggie wear budgies
      Is that why he gets upset
      When he reads our poems
      About Gavin displaying his assets

      What is his problem
      Can’t you see
      I think it’s because
      He too wears budgies.

      He likes strolling the promenade
      And flaunting his stuff
      He gets the attention he wants
      Without being in the “buff”

      He likes displaying his wares
      For all to see
      He won’t be wearing the boardies
      Because he’s got the budgies!

    • nossy says:

      11:59am | 26/07/11

      @jay-ded   - well done as usual jay-ded - but please dont give Reggie anymore “oxygen” !

    • Ben C says:

      12:00pm | 26/07/11

      Love all the efforts here. Not going to attempt one myself, who knows what tangent I’ll end up taking it.

    • nossy says:

      12:01pm | 26/07/11

      @TimB - hahah Tim can assure I am not Gavin but wish I were - hes a rich bastard!

    • jay-ded says:

      12:11pm | 26/07/11

      @ Ben C - Awww c’mon - give it a go!  We don’t care about which tangent you take.  It’s too much fun to worry about something like that!

    • TimB says:

      01:02pm | 26/07/11

      But Nossy, if it *is* like Fight Club, you wouldn’t know that you were actually Gavin wink

    • Ben C says:

      03:07pm | 26/07/11

      This one doesn’t live up to my poem about the pillow fight, but here goes:

      On the Gold Coast nossy and Gav
      Do their morning run
      On the beach, oh what a combo
      Of sand and surf and sun

      nossy’s running gear of choice
      Has always been board shorts
      nossy has the right idea
      When dressing up for sports

      Gavin, on the other hand
      Budgies will be right
      When nossy sees his running mate
      He gets a mighty fright

      Nonetheless, they both set off
      To get their exercise
      When nossy thinks he’s had enough
      Then on the sand he lies

      Gavin pulls up next to him
      And takes a seat as well
      Yet with no particular stimulus
      His cossies start to swell

      In disgust the poor bloke nossy
      Tries to look away
      For if his eyes stayed long enough
      Gav might think he’s gay

      In the end, old nossy says,
      “It’s board shorts or no run.
      To see you pitch a tent like this
      Is definitely no fun.”

      The ultimatum sems to work
      It’s shorts now Gavin wears
      For it has helped him to avoid
      All those disgusted stares

    • jay-ded says:

      03:27pm | 26/07/11

      Ben C - BEWDIFUL!  Still laughing.  Poor Gavin.  wink

    • nossy says:

      03:55pm | 26/07/11

      @BenC - another ripper Ben! Say where is Reggie No talent criticising all todays excellent poems!  hhahaha We love ya Reggie!

    • TChong says:

      08:07am | 26/07/11

      Tim
      How good the Raiders !?!
      A 79 minute try from young Dugan kept the punters guessing.
      Faint hopes for a final 5?

    • Tim says:

      09:24am | 26/07/11

      What a Game!!!
      I thought they’d blown in after Williams kicked on the third tackle to give the Dragons field position for Soward’s field goal.
      It was all part of the sneaky game plan to then have a short kick off and score a try.
      Dugan - absolute star.
      Dragons hoodoo continues.

    • jay-ded says:

      08:42am | 26/07/11

      Isn’t she a cutie in the photo?

    • nossy says:

      09:33am | 26/07/11

      Input is now being called for for nominations of “Australian Of the Year” - do you know someone who has done something deserving of this award? I might nominate Cadel Evans for his spectacular win in the Tour De France I think!
      http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/

    • Dash says:

      09:51am | 26/07/11

      Nossy - what about nominating Gav for his contribution to Gold Coast Fashion?

    • Anubis says:

      10:04am | 26/07/11

      Some numpty being able to ride a pushbike a little bit faster than a bunch of other lycra clad numpties does not warrant an Australian of the Year Award. Make it meaningful, someone like Les Twentyman who has dedicated his life to helping the down and outs of society is much more worthy than some overpaid, over reported bloody sportsman.

    • Anubis says:

      11:02am | 26/07/11

      @ Dash -  a bit of a problem with that Dash. Since when do Gold Coast and Fashion belong together in the same sentence?

      Gold Coast and Tacky - yes

    • Shifter says:

      12:35pm | 26/07/11

      @Anubis - recent Australians of the year:

      2008 - country singer
      2004 - cricket player
      2002 - tennis Player
      1999 - cricket player
      1998 - athlete

      How about for 2012 we pick a human rights activist / philanthropist as our Australian of the year? Sound alright?

      Turns out he’s a bloody good bike rider as well.

    • nossy says:

      12:41pm | 26/07/11

      @Anubis - Cadel Evans a “numpty” Anubis!  Fella get a life!

    • Ben81 says:

      12:50pm | 26/07/11

      I like when those awards recognise ordinary people rather than high profile sports people.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:05am | 26/07/11

      So the Malaysian Solution has been signed and news.com (a News Ltd publication that is supposedly out to destroy the ALP) has a lead story on a rogue Kangaroo and some dwarfs on a bus (tee hee, Snakes on a Plane style). Whats the go with that? Does anyone have any idea as to why most news outlets except the ABC are not even rating it?

    • Seanr says:

      11:05am | 26/07/11

      Not an expert on the Malayasian Solution but if my understanding is correct, I can’t see the disincentive.
      People who try to get here by boat get sent there but they will have more rights than ‘normal’ refugee applicants in Malaysia re education, no canings etc.

      Does anyone know if you try to get to Australia by boat and get sent Malaysia it would harm/delay your refugee application? If it doesn’t then why wouldn’t people still try to get here by boat knowing that they will get better treatment in Malaysia anyway and still have a chance to come to Australia.

    • Tim says:

      11:32am | 26/07/11

      FF its there now.
      You must have some pull at News, getting stories front page coverage.
      Seanr,
      there are plenty of refugees in Malaysia already. If they get sent there, they’ve wasted the money paid to the people smugglers because they get put into the queue with everyone else. They will get no special treatment in regards to resettlement. It disincentivises the trip.
      Very expensive for us though.

    • Seanr says:

      01:43pm | 26/07/11

      Thanks Tim, I assumed the financial cost would be a disincentive, going to the back of the queue would be one as well.

    • Anubis says:

      10:06am | 26/07/11

      Did anyone see that wonderful newsbyte of our “beloved” PM eating humble pie when she admitted that the most recent 500+ arrivals would be processed in Australia instead of being sent to Malaysia.

      It looked like she was swallowing razor blades. Most gratifying.

    • nossy says:

      12:04pm | 26/07/11

      @Anubis - just another stuff up in a long line of stuff ups Anubis. And I see WE are paying for the upkeep of the 800 in Malaysia! Good grief the Taxpayer bleeds in Australia courtesy of La Gillard!

    • Elphaba says:

      12:19pm | 26/07/11

      I still don’t understand the deal.

    • Anubis says:

      01:54pm | 26/07/11

      @ Elphaba - What’s there to understand - Malaysia wins, Australia loses, we pay more tax and receive more refugees (although these ones may be actual refugees rather than the country shoppers that arrive in the top end by leaky boat).

      Either way we pay more, receive less. Standard Gillard policy.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:25pm | 26/07/11

      @Anubis, I want to know why we’re trading 800 and receiving 4000.  Tha’s right, isn’t it?

      Is it like in the American civil war where slaves were considered 3 fifths of a person?

    • NicoleG says:

      02:26pm | 26/07/11

      Elph, you’re not meant to understand it, just cop it. It’s a Gillard policy after all.

    • Anubis says:

      02:44pm | 26/07/11

      Simple explanation. We send them 800, they send us 4000 genuine refugees who have been fully processed and may have been waiting in the camps for years. We pay for the cost of transfer, both ways. We pay for one month accommodation and all processing costs plus educational costs for the 800 we send. The 800 that we send will be permitted to work in Malaysia and, after a month may leave Malaysia, but are not permitted to come to Australia. They are permanently refused admission to Australia. If they wish to continue to be considered as refugees they then join the end of the queue in Malaysia (behind the tens of thousands already there) and if eventually confirmed by UNHCR as genuine refugees may be resettled in any country of choice that will take them - except Australia.

      Regardless of whether we send 800 or eight we will get 4000 genuine refugees at the rate of 1000 a year. Meanwhile we continue to pay the costs for the 800 we sent. Once we have sent 800 we can not send additional refugees to Malaysia, this is a one off deal.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:54pm | 26/07/11

      @Anubis,

      That’s a shitty policy.

    • Anubis says:

      03:02pm | 26/07/11

      @ Elphaba - definitely agree with you there. A typical Gillard Brain Fart, except this one has actually succeeded in getting signed. Wonder what her next “cunning plan” will be once the 800 have been sent?

    • NicoleG says:

      03:47pm | 26/07/11

      And it’s been ‘budgeted’ at 300 million, 76 of that 300 million is in transfer costs. As Anubis has said, we foot the bill for transport, interpreting, health, welfare and education costs.

      And Mr Bowen also had this to say:
      Australia’s financial costs could extend beyond the four-year period of the agreement, but described them as “modest”.

      It’s one mighty f#$% up!

    • Elphaba says:

      03:58pm | 26/07/11

      I bet they describe the $70mil in admin fees for the settop boes as tuck shop money.

      Grrr…

    • Elphaba says:

      04:52pm | 26/07/11

      *sigh* - that word salad was meant to say ‘set-top boxes’.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:54am | 26/07/11

      @ Elphaba

      http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/confidential/chris-lilley-to-fade-away/story-e6freq7o-1226100972545

      I’m going to agree. Angry Boys had nothing on SHH and WCBH. I stopped watching after ep 3.

      Did anyone watch Crownies? I thought it was OK. I’ve watched the first two eps and will continue watching. At least the good thing about ABC is that the series is usually complete before it goes to air and they aren’t quick to change timeslots or axe. So at least I know Crownies will run its course - even if I am the only one watching it.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:09am | 26/07/11

      I’ve stuck with it because I liked Ruth ‘Gran’ Sims, but I was shattered that it wasn’t nearly as good. He seemed to have such a dead-on radar when it came to portraying people’s weird quirks that made you squirm - but I am so disappointed with Angry Boys.  It’s just toilet humour now.  Al this money and energy invested in it, and it’s just a big stinker.

      I think there’s something wrong with my browser, the story isn’t opening.  I’ve been having it with the Punch too.  Stupid work internets.  I will read it as soon as I can get it to open.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:34am | 26/07/11

      Do you just get the top banner advert to load? If so, I’ve been having that happen to. It was happening yesterday also, but I figured it was just our internet connection…

      I liked Gran too, but Daniel was annoying and S.Mouse barely even raised a smile. I couldn’t do it - it just wasn’t funny. Plus that asian character was too much like Ricky Wong’s parents. He needed to keep Daniel as the link and go way different with the other characters.

      Dare I say it, I think the key is Jai’me.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:59am | 26/07/11

      Yeah, that’s what’s been happening.  I updated a few bits of software on my pooter but it didn’t seem to work.  So it’s not just me!

      S.mouse! isn’t funny.  I have no empathy or understanding of rap anyway, and I think that’s the key to Lilley’s humour.  You have to engage on some level with the characters, and this time, it’s been almost all miss and no hit.  There’s no narrative, no linking of the characters.  Jen Okazaki or whatever her name is, is painfully repelling (nothing like Ricky Wong, he was awesome).

      I think you’re right.  Jai’me was the winner.  But he can’t do another thing with her, otherwise she’ll wear out her welcome.

      Very disappointing all round.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:53pm | 26/07/11

      Me thinks (me, not knowing anything to do with computers mind you) it has something to do with that worksafe victoria ad that has the footage running constantly (RHS Home Page). My page is always “attempting to load script”. I think Harquebus is on to something….

      Yes, it is an epic fail isn’t it. Quite sad really, but he probably should have taken a couple of years off to develop the story better. There was a bigger gap between WCBH and SHH. AB seems rushed and therefore it is just not funny.

      Anyway, I am sure he will come back with something even better in future. I am not quick to write him off - he is hilarious.

    • Ben C says:

      12:17pm | 26/07/11

      Watched Q&A for the first time in a long time last night. Wishing I didn’t now.

      Christine Milne really needs to get her head checked. Last I knew, the Greens were still an insignificant party on the Australian political landscape. What gives her the right to say that there will be an inquiry into media ownership and bias in Australia?

      Oh, that’s right, the Greens have Julia Gillard’s nipples in their fingers, and aren’t afraid to twist if necessary. Well, let me set the challenge for you, Bob and Christine: twist away. You won’t, will you? Is it because at the next election, whether it be a double dissolution or in 2013, you know that you will go the way of the Australian Democrats?

      Never seen a bigger toothless tiger.

    • kirsty says:

      12:33pm | 26/07/11

      I think you just wrote the synopsis for a political porno- Bob and Julia and a little S&M

    • Soames says:

      01:14pm | 26/07/11

      Ben, one ought not screen screen political ‘shows’, because they conflict with one’s own beliefs, after all, how can one make an informed opinion, if one only listens, or sees, democracy in action, galling as it might be. One ought strive to achieve a balanced but forthright argument, based on the facts from both sides, not ‘headchecks’, else you may also be judged as a candidate for one of those. I urge you, as a person of high intellect, not to consider, as some do, to describe the Greens as a mob of raving fucking lunatics, intent on making this country the Sweden of the seventies.

    • ausspud says:

      01:32pm | 26/07/11

      I wonder if get-up,crikey,abc & smh will be included in the inquiry.
      Didnt think so.

    • TimB says:

      01:52pm | 26/07/11

      “the Greens have Julia Gillard’s nipples in their fingers”

      There’s an image I didn’t need.

    • Ben C says:

      02:06pm | 26/07/11

      @ Soames

      It’s not so much screening political shows, it’s just that I find Q&A has lacked the insight that it had in the past. I think the fact that the news lately has been dominated by a select number of events has contributed to that. Also, I was pretty appalled at the way that the audience responded to Eric Abetz at times, laughing at him in a mocking manner. Yet some other ludicrous comments by Lara Giddings or Christine Milne get rapturous applause - where’s the balance in that?

      As for my issue with the Greens, I actually used to think Bob Brown was quite rational. Over the past few years, though, with their voter base increasing and raising their profile, I think they’ve gotten too far ahead of themselves. They really do need to assess where they sit in the political landscape, and act accordingly, otherwise they will definitely go the way of the Democrats - given the way they’re acting, I won’t complain if that does happen, gives them a reality check.

      Thank you for your comment, I appreciate your thoughts. I just hope that there is a political show that actually does not involve appearances by politicians, and can provide a reasonable debate.

    • NicoleG says:

      02:23pm | 26/07/11

      But Soames, they are a mob of raving f#$%ing lunatics. Full.Stop.

    • Mickey T says:

      04:09pm | 26/07/11

      @ Ben C - If Q&A had been in any other state last night then Abetz would have been treated differently…he is vehemently disliked in Tasmania from all sides of the political fence, if he was not number one on the Liberal senate ticket you wouldn’t have even heard of him.

    • Ben C says:

      04:38pm | 26/07/11

      @ Mickey T

      Thank you for enlightening me, wasn’t aware that his popularity amongst Tasmanians was non-existent. Is it just him in particular, or is it anyone from the right that Tasmanians object to?

    • jay-ded says:

      12:47pm | 26/07/11

      Downloaded the 1st season of the “Game of Thrones.”  Awesome.  The books are great - if the author actually finishes the story, but the show totally captures the characters, scenes etc. 

      Big thumbs up from this little chookie.

    • Cat says:

      12:52pm | 26/07/11

      yes indeedy, it is damn good!

    • Ben81 says:

      01:00pm | 26/07/11

      I’d never even started reading the books before I watched it, still very enjoyable though. 

      This kind of helps for those new to it
      http://i.imgur.com/Kbrst.png

    • Shifter says:

      02:16pm | 26/07/11

      @jay - love the hate sites for GRRM which sprang because of the big huge wait.

      The HBO series as killer and if Peter Dinklage doesn’t win an Emmy for playing Tyrion then… well I’ll be mildly annoyed and life will go on.

      I’ve got my copy of Dance of Dragons… but have a few other books in the queue before I get to it. Not to mention that it’s massive.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:46pm | 26/07/11

      I bought the first book off eBay!  I’d never heard if it until on here, I’m not a big fantasy fan. It should arrive later this week. smile

    • jay-ded says:

      03:12pm | 26/07/11

      @ Shifter - You mean the next book is out?  WOOHOO - bout bloody time!  I’ve re-read the whole series since I first bought them but have been waiting, waiting, waiting for the last book.

      I agree Peter Dinklage makes an awesome Tyrion.  smile

      @ Elphaba - I’m a real big fantasy fan.  You name it, I’ve probably got it or read it.  You’ll love the series.

    • Elphaba says:

      03:21pm | 26/07/11

      @jay-ded, I’m more a crime novels person, so this will be a new thing for me.  I wanted to buy the whole set, but I thought I’d try one book first and see how it goes.

    • Shifter says:

      03:56pm | 26/07/11

      @jay -  it dropped in stores on 12/7… it’s a big 1000+ page monster. I had to re-arrange my bookshelf. I’m looking forward to getting into it.

      @Elphabarismisting - there’s not a whole lot of traditional fantasy element early on in the series. Human cast, no weird creatures, and no magic so it’s basically a ‘house’ conflict novel like the War of the Roses.

    • Elphaba says:

      04:09pm | 26/07/11

      @Shifter, that’s how I heard it described, and I’m a history junkie over things like The War Of The Roses.  I wanted to read the books before watching the series though, so I’ve skipped that for now.

      If I like it, I can just buy the rest of the books.

      I put in a birthday order with the parents for a new bookshelf.  My mum said that was fine, and then I talked about rearranging some of my furniture to maybe fit in another one.  She said “You can’t just have an apartment filled with bookshelves!”  I said “Why can’t I?  Who says?”

      There was a long silence on the phone before she changed the subject, lol.

    • Cat says:

      12:51pm | 26/07/11

      a measely 24 comments on the NDIS article yesterday, what do we need to do to get it through to people that this is an important issue which deserves consideration, discussion and support? Most of those 24 comments were people sidetracking the issue to have yet another go at one side of politics or the other *headdesk*

    • fairsfair says:

      01:18pm | 26/07/11

      Cat, many people have tried to discuss the merits of the system via the angry cripple series. It is too hostile and emotional, so I think you will find a lot of people have simply walked away. You can’t engage in adult discussion on a public forum that is clouded by people using it as a forum to simply bleet their sad story. Yes it is sad that people have to deal with this crap as part of life - but you can’t let it define who you are and you need to be able to look past it to try and come up with a solution. I thought that is what the angry cripple was about - but it soon spiralled into a lovein and personal attack zone.

      Also, the credibility of the author of yesterday’s piece probably wrote off any legitimate information contained within. I know that is political, but it is something that a lot of people can’t ignore.

      I may be alone in my thoughts, so I too am interested to hear other people’s answer to your questions. I have got the impression off a couple of your posts that you have first hand experience in the system? Perhaps you should approach the team to submit for AC building on what Ged wrote yesterday without the politics and the emotional manipulation?

    • Ks says:

      02:17pm | 26/07/11

      I don’t contribute anything to those debates as quite frankly what can one say?  If you have a slightly differing view or take a harder approach then you are howled down and called all sorts of names as I saw when fairs made a comment and so no conversation happens it’ just becomes a slanging match and nothing new is brought to the table.
      Also Ged Kearney wrote it and her columns generally drive me crazy with the amount of patting on the back she gives the trade unions with little thought given to the realities of most peoples lives.

    • Cat says:

      06:49pm | 26/07/11

      I will try to answer some of what was written tomorrow, currently I am making friends with Mr. Vodka and so coherant responses are rapidly becoming beyond me *cheers*

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      12:57pm | 26/07/11

      Tony Jones, anchor for ABC-TV’s Q&A, Please give us back another Pollie-Free show! The last one with John Saffron etc. was fanbloodytatstic!!
      With the exception of Peter Cundall all we got was, as usual, political point-scoring by the three politicians. Chrissy Milne was way out of her depth. They really can’t make up their minds what they want can they? They want Old Growth Forests Protected but refuse to back the agreement reached between the Tassie Govt, the Coalition & the ALP. Why? because it was not “According to the Rules Laid Down by Bob & Chrissy so they will vote against it.
      What Bobby & Chrissie forget is that if the Coalition & ALP in the Federal parliament agree on something the Greens are shut-out from the negotiations,. The ALP does not need the Greens when it has the bi-partisan support of the Coalition!
      Pity is the Big Two could not have been more co-operative over Climate Change. We don’t need the Greens. We would have had the C02 tax already & be moving swiftly towards an ETS - all without the bullying of the ALP by the Greens.
      It is not, despite all the rhetoric & screeching by both, the ALP or Coalition who are holding things up. It was & still is the Greens & they will continue to do so so long as they don’t get 100% their own way.
      At the next Federal Election are 4 of the current Greens Senators up for re-election?. The chances are that they will all lose their seats. Then we may get an intelligent Senate which actually works for the benefit of Australia.

    • Ben81 says:

      01:12pm | 26/07/11

      “Tony Jones, anchor for ABC-TV’s Q&A, Please give us back another Pollie-Free show!”

      The one a couple months ago with the writers festival people talking about pubes for half an hour was interesting wasn’t it wink

    • Ben81 says:

      01:16pm | 26/07/11

      On the IVF topic, I looked up my name in a baby name book once and thought I may have been a test tube baby, apparently it means “son of my right hand”.
      Haven’t asked the old man yet.

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      01:29pm | 26/07/11

      What if he’s Left-Handed? Who’s the daddy then?

    • fairsfair says:

      01:39pm | 26/07/11

      lol LOL

      My first name means “animal’s horn”. I had a major beef with my parents about that. Their names and the siblings all mean “son of god”, “The chosen one” or something along those lines… then I roll up with “animal’s horn” and no middle name. Ah, I’ll get over it… one day!

    • Ben81 says:

      01:45pm | 26/07/11

      Actually Wilma he is left handed, so that thought entered my head too…

    • TimB says:

      01:50pm | 26/07/11

      Fairs, you’re looking at the wrong meaning. You should be checking the Irish origin. It ain’t animal horn wink

    • fairsfair says:

      02:30pm | 26/07/11

      Irish horn?

      I did just do that however TimB - and the Gaelic origin means “dark”. Oh how true! I’ll have to elighten the fam and friends to that so I no longer have to drive past paddocks of lifestock and have someone should “check out the Xs on that!”.

      Meanwhile… I have googled it in all forms and it returns enough options for you to be nonethewiser following my supply of this information.

      Still LOL at that Ben. Crack up.

    • John Smythe says:

      02:44pm | 26/07/11

      Oh dear, and I thought I was such a nice guy…..
      One who supplants…

      sup·plants. 1. To usurp the place of, especially through intrigue or underhanded tactics. 2. To displace and substitute for (another)

    • TimB says:

      02:53pm | 26/07/11

      Come now Fairs, I’m already wise. How do you think I knew it wasn’t the right definition? wink

    • Shenanigans says:

      03:00pm | 26/07/11

      My name meaning is so original, it’s ‘one who cuts cloth’.... I need to slap my parents for that.

    • fairsfair says:

      03:11pm | 26/07/11

      You are so full of it TimB - you could not possibly know you clown!

      Never JS! That so has to be wrong wink

    • John Smythe says:

      03:22pm | 26/07/11

      Maybe I’m a Labor sleeper cell….and I’m ready to usurp all your comments once you stop listening to Pers like the country has to Gillard. @.@

      oh noes! the conspiracy of it all!

    • TimB says:

      03:33pm | 26/07/11

      Ah but I can Fairs. It was actually quite easy. cool smile

      Now I’m trying to figure out how to prove what I know without giving it away to the poor unenlightened masses (aka Dash smile )

      Surely there’s some sort of test question you could throw at me….

      Hmm.

    • fairsfair says:

      04:00pm | 26/07/11

      OK, what town do I live in?

      No way could you know. Eeeek - I feel violated you wierdo wink

    • TimB says:

      04:23pm | 26/07/11

      ...Cairns? Not sure what that proves raspberry

      And sorry Fairs, it was an accident, honest! Your spelling mistakes are too distinctive wink.

      But your secret is safe with me smile.

    • fairsfair says:

      04:52pm | 26/07/11

      It was a joke champ wink

      WTF - you have said on more than one occasion you are not facebook TimB. Did you lie to us? tut tut tut! I have never posted under my real name on here.

      I am getting my gun license wink

    • NicoleG says:

      05:05pm | 26/07/11

      OMG ff, you’ve been outed. Tim how did you know ff’s real name is Kewanee?

    • TimB says:

      05:38pm | 26/07/11

      I’m not. But I ended up on the Punch’s page for some reason. I think it was that discussion about the Nigerians that sent me there.

      ...And I stumbled across…uh… “Kewanee” (lol) by accident. It kinda leapt off the screen raspberry.

    • fairsfair says:

      08:39am | 27/07/11

      How is that possible TimB - because even though I described my pic to Jim - I had already changed it to another. So the machine gun had already been “john smythed” before I mentioned it (cwhatIdidthar JS?).

      I think you are confusing me with a nigerian wink If you can tell me the colour of the hair of the picture I am currently using, I will sharpen my knives tonight…..

    • The Badger says:

      01:08pm | 27/07/11

      Cancel my subscription to all this.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:47pm | 26/07/11

      Fully support death or inheritance taxes. If the Baby Boomers are going to a burden on the health system in their old age, the least the government can do is recoup part of the costs after they die.

    • fairsfair says:

      02:43pm | 26/07/11

      Fair point. I have never looked at it that way before. Perhaps it should only apply to those who claim benefits though. I don’t think it fair for the govt to tax people their whole life, they work to be self funded retirees and then have everything they have worked and saved for to be taxed again is a bit steep.

      All they will do however is see the ultra rich assets pushed into children’s names/trusts etc. I know you can’t predict when you die, but people who die in old age or after prolonged illness will find ways around it.

    • iansand says:

      03:57pm | 26/07/11

      But that will reduce what whinging Gens X & Y inherit.

    • Tim says:

      04:05pm | 26/07/11

      Iansand,
      what’s an inheritance?
      Gen Y and Gen X won’t ever see one because of the Boomers spending all their money plus the money left to them from their parents.

    • fairsfair says:

      04:19pm | 26/07/11

      True TimB - I think the main difference is that Xers and Yers don’t expect an inheritance either. I know I certainly don’t - luckily - because I won’t be getting one!

    • fairsfair says:

      04:25pm | 26/07/11

      Sorry Tim, wrong Tim. How insulting of me to confuse you with him LOL

    • iansand says:

      04:31pm | 26/07/11

      I think I will create a new Gen.  I will call it ....  Gen W, as a compendium term for whining little Gens X & Y.

    • NicoleG says:

      05:00pm | 26/07/11

      And I’m going to create a new Gen. GOB. Grumpy Old Basterds. Your Gen iansand.

    • Tim says:

      05:15pm | 26/07/11

      Sorry Iansand,
      Gen W is already taken by the Boomers.
      W for W*nkers.

    • iansand says:

      06:12pm | 26/07/11

      I have a few nominees already.  But I am not at all surprised by their identities.

    • ibast says:

      02:06pm | 26/07/11

      I went to one of those old fashion servos the other day where the guy pours the petrol for you.

      At the end I said to him, “You’re a part time porn star aren’t you?”
      He said, “How can you tell?”
      I said, “The giveaway was when you puled the nozzle out at the end and sprayed a bit on the windscreen”.

    • John Smythe says:

      02:21pm | 26/07/11

      I LOLd hard at that. (cwotididthar?)

    • Ben C says:

      03:29pm | 26/07/11

      Love it ibast!

    • Shenanigans says:

      02:33pm | 26/07/11

      I’m nominating myself to be the unofficial punch music guru :p

      anyway, you guys ever heard of a band called Enter Shikari?
      Highly recommend them, wont be everyone’s cup of tea, however. The lyrics, especially from the new album ‘Common Dreads’ and the ‘Tribalism’ EP really hit home about the world we live in (whoda thunk that techno/metalcore had meaningful political lyrics =P(and you can hear them too))

      IMO Enter Shikari are a fantastic listen, and an example of what real music should sound like. Have a listen and tell me what you guys think.

    • TRBNGR says:

      04:10pm | 26/07/11

      ‘Have a listen and tell me what you guys think’.

      They are TERRIBLE. Not bad musicians, but the music is awful, just awful.

    • Elphaba says:

      04:21pm | 26/07/11

      Metalcore and techno are crap.

      Putting them together is a shit sandwich.

      This is no exception.  This is not real music.  Bad Shenanigans. *smack*

    • Shifter says:

      05:36pm | 26/07/11

      I quite like the chav accent screaming ridiculous shit. I wouldn’t class Enter Shikari as massively awesome but they are fun to listen to, if you choose to ignore half of each of their albums.

      Halcyon’s a favourite track.

      @Shen - go listen to pitchShifter

      (oh dear, my secret origin has escaped)

    • Knemon says:

      05:47pm | 26/07/11

      Hey Shenanigans, an unofficial punch music guru, nice idea.

      I had a listen to their promo vid (about 15 clips) You were right, they’re certainly not going to be everyone’s cup of tea, I do like their techno/metalcore mix and the vocals, I’ve heard a hell of a lot worse, I wouldn’t pay to watch them though. Interesting you say this is an example of what real music should sound like, does that say something about the quality of music produced now days?

      Do we rate it? -  IMO - Enter Shikari…4 out of 10.

      Keep rockin’ Molly, good stuff wink

    • Sceptic says:

      05:45am | 27/07/11

      @Shenanigans

      Employed and sacked in the one posting - well done!

    • bec says:

      05:06pm | 26/07/11

      I almost set fire to my kitchen trying to bake a cake this afternoon. Years of frequent gourmet baking and cooking, a hot meal from scratch every night for the last four years, and all it took to undo me was a two buck packet of chocolate melts and a “microwave safe” (HAHAHAHA LIES, WHY DO THEY LIE) bowl. Thank god I’ve got that nifty feminism thing setting me up for more than cooking, because today’s experience has left me thinking I’d be up shit creek otherwise.

    • Ben81 says:

      05:20pm | 26/07/11

      Oh yeah well today I managed to make grilled cheese on toast in an oven that doesn’t have a grill function.  I am truly the greatest man in the world.

    • bec says:

      06:21pm | 26/07/11

      That is very well played. Meanwhile I proceeded to break a brand new glass. I declare defeat.

    • Bikinis On Top says:

      05:34pm | 26/07/11

      July 26 2011 is John Howard’s birthday! An Honest and little birthday for the “Don Bradman of Australian politics”
      Recently a grateful conservative Norwegian Mass Murderer , who hates the Liberal Party,  claimed that John Howard was “One of the most sensible leaders in the western world ” as John Howard “stood up to the world of political correctness!
      I woulsd like to Announce to John Howard and his fellow St George Illawarra supporters that the premiers will not be the minor premiers.
      The 2010 Premiers St George Illawarrawill not win the 2011 NRL Minor Premiership!

    • NicoleG says:

      06:27pm | 26/07/11

      BOT, I see you have graduated from glue to paint. It really is bad for you.

    • Anthony R says:

      05:39pm | 26/07/11

      you ever going to get a real job Lucy??

    • NicoleG says:

      06:29pm | 26/07/11

      You really deserve a hard uppercut for that comment. And I’d like to go first!

    • nossy says:

      06:47pm | 26/07/11

      @NicoleG - may I second that baseless comment Nicole - amazing how the Punch provides an excellent forum for comment and we get nutter comment like Anthony R!  Cukoo Anthony R!

    • NicoleG says:

      07:50pm | 26/07/11

      You most certainly can nossy. You can thave the second uppercut!  wink

      There is no room to ever give Lucy shit. EVER! She’s the sweetest.

    • Anthony R says:

      03:19pm | 27/07/11

      There are plenty of sweet people who don’t have jobs

    • Dave says:

      08:51pm | 26/07/11

      @Nossy and Nicole - were you both looking in the mirror when the nutter comment was made?

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      03:12pm | 20/07/12

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    • http://flaskflagonflame.com/members/kareneminj/ says:

      12:48pm | 27/07/12

      Good info and straight to the point. I don’t know if this is truly the best place to ask but do you folks have any ideea where to get some professional writers? Thanks smile

 

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