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    • Samwell Tarly says:

      04:41am | 20/11/12

      the opposition has called for an urgent investigation after the disappearance of more documents

      Seems the drafts of their policies for the next election disappeared.
      Maybe the dog ate their homework?

    • TimB says:

      07:08am | 20/11/12

      Nice deflection. Ignore the fact that a cover-up of unprecedented proportions appears to be going on. Start badmouthing the Libs instead.

      Four sets of documents in four seperate secure locations all related to the same contraversial case do not coincidently go missing.

    • gobsmack says:

      08:25am | 20/11/12

      It is not a true scandal until someone coins a term with “-gate” as a suffix.

      “Slushgate”?  “AWUgate”?  “Renovategate”?

    • Phil says:

      08:45am | 20/11/12

      What “fraud”? If you have evidence of something, what is it?

    • Christian Real says:

      09:05am | 20/11/12

      Dash
      Have you got any real evidence that the PM is even guilty of any real wrong doing,It is all allegations at the moment, and the liberal smear campaign that is being carried on by their loyal followers like you.
      Dash, you are calling the Prime Minister corrupt and instead of just mouthing off like you and others have been doing in these blogs I challenge you to prove what you are saying,go down to the courts or police station if you have proof in what you are accusing the Prime Minister off.
      Corruption inside the ALP you say , please feel free to present the proof that you have so all these dastardly felons can be dealt with in a court of law.
      What’s that Dash?, you haven’t got any real proof to back up what you are saying, I didn’t think so.

    • DJ says:

      09:17am | 20/11/12

      are you accusing the ALP of stealing files / cover up are you Dash? Trying to get this thread shut down because of baseless accusations. Yes Wilson has questions to answer but so far nothing you have provided shows intent or knowledge on behalf of the PM

    • Knemon says:

      09:23am | 20/11/12

      Not a good look for Julie Bishop either…there’s been some matters arising out of her role as a lawyer at CSR where she used procedural tactics to deny victims of asbestosis their day in court…mud slinging’s fun, isn’t it?

    • Anubis says:

      09:27am | 20/11/12

      @ Gobsmack - you forgot WardrobeGate or FashionGate

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:29am | 20/11/12

      It amuses me that you, Dash, scream, bitch and whinge based on some extreme right wing nuts (who wanted to rip headscarves off islamic womens heads) blog which is very heavy on accusations and heresay but very light on actual evidence….yet on another blog, which has reams and reams of actual evidence of a staggering long term fraud and deception including bank statements, invoices, pay slips etc involving an extremly high level union official and her high ranking LNP appointed judge and friend of senior Coalition glitterati including Tony rAbbott and Christopher Pyne you are strangely silent, like our mainstream media.

      Actual, it doesn’t amuse me. Its totally expected behaviour. Sadly.

    • TimB says:

      09:36am | 20/11/12

      How about ‘youngandnaivegate’? wink

      Not paticularly catchy, but accurate.

    • billybud says:

      10:40am | 20/11/12

      I like it TimB
      Abbott punches below his weight and beside her head, but it’s a young and naive thing. Seems the young misogynist in him never grew up
      How about shithappenswhenidonthaveamindergate?

    • TimB says:

      10:46am | 20/11/12

      @ Christian Real, when are you going to go down to your local police station with your proof of what Abbott did in university? Surely you have enough evidence to back up your constant allegations that he assualted someone.

      Right?

      No? What’s that? They didn’t accept your random bunch of newspaper links as evidence?

      Hypocrite.

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      12:25pm | 20/11/12

      Well I guess that makes you point just as mute doesn’t it TimB?

      If Dash and all the right wing conspiracy theorists are so sure of this evidence take it to the cop shop.

      Hypocrites.

    • TimB says:

      01:10pm | 20/11/12

      If you paid close attention Simon, you’ll notice I have never accused Gillard of anything.  Your hypocrisy allegation falls a little flat.

      I do however think she has questions to answer. And I do think that the actions she has so far admitted to (whlist being ‘young and naive’) are a poor reflection on her professional comptency.  The rest of course I am reserving judgement, because as you say, no evidence.

      That being said, it’s a bit rich for you and others to prance around crowing ‘no evidence’ when an entire mess of files relating to the case (and thus potential evidence) have mysteriously gone missing.

    • Christian Real says:

      01:17pm | 20/11/12

      Tim B
      you say,” surely you have enough evidence to back up your constant allegations that he assaulted someone.’
      Tim B
      I do not believe that I have at any given time in any blog stipulated that these allegations about Abbott’s student days at sydney university were allegation from me personally but I did point out the fact that there were numerous stories accessible on the internet about Abbott’s student days that contained these allegations and I even listed a number of the news stories,the newspapers that they came from, the journalists names and the dates they were published in the papers

    • TimB says:

      01:51pm | 20/11/12

      I’m well aware of what you’ve been spreading around these forums. I reiterate- A collection of newspaper links is not proof.

      So why do you insist on spreading smear?

      To paraphrase:

      It is an unproven allegation and a smear campaign, carried on by loyal followers like you.

    • Dash says:

      02:01pm | 20/11/12

      It is being reported today that Ralph Blewitt will fly into Australia tomorrow and will provide a statement to Victorian detectives.

      It is also being reported today that the legal documents have been found.

    • TimB says:

      02:19pm | 20/11/12

      One lot of documents Dash. The ones that were supposed to be in Queensland but ended up in Victoria.

      The other three sets are still missing as far as I know.

    • Tim says:

      02:40pm | 20/11/12

      TimB,
      did you perhaps miss when Gillard answered questions about this issue in a massive press conference?

      There’s been many investigations over 17 years and nothing new has come out and no one has been charged ever.

      Honestly,
      there isn’t anything more for her to answer unless there is new evidence presented. There hasn’t been any that would even make it past a cursory look. The people pushing this issue are doing so for purely political purposes because they want to smear and discredit Gillard.

      And that’s the best thing about a conspiracy, you can just keep saying that there are questions left unanswered and the target’s refusal to acknowledge them is just proof of their involvement/guilt in the conspiracy.
      If they answer the questions, you just need to come up with more questions or say that they were evading the real issues. Fantastic way to manufacture an issue where there isn’t any evidence.

      Unless people have new, concrete evidence of illegal activity they should shut up. Unfortunately the chances of that happening from the cheer squads are zero.

    • Sam says:

      03:06pm | 20/11/12

      TimB
      Have a look at Mediawatch that aired yesterday and see that your Ltd. News corporation is trying to create nuthin out of sumthin.
      It’s all there.
      All you have to do is open your other eye.

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      03:06pm | 20/11/12

      @TimB

      If you say so. Maybe get the congo line leader Dash to march down there with all the evidence he has compiled.

      I don’t like Gillard, but this hole thing just seems to be a big witch-hunt but ill reserve my end thoughts on whats said after Blewitt comes clean, even though I think he may be a bit fishy myself.

      But ill still sit by waiting for Howard to face questioning over the War, AWB, so this Gillard bashing is a bit rich.

    • TimB says:

      03:53pm | 20/11/12

      ‘did you perhaps miss when Gillard answered questions about this issue in a massive press conference?’

      You mean the press conference she called at the last minute so that no journalist would have anytime to prepare properly? That one? Yeah, nice move there.

      ‘There’s been many investigations over 17 years and nothing new has come out and no one has been charged ever.’

      Actually new stuff has come out. Much over the last month or so (i.e after her press conference) So….

      ‘Honestly,there isn’t anything more for her to answer unless there is new evidence presented.’

      Still nothing to prove anything of course, but it does raise new questions that she has yet to answer. I’ll see if I can hunt them down tomorrow.

      And of course we’ll have new witness statements soon.


      “Have a look at Mediawatch that aired yesterday and see that your Ltd. News corporation is trying to create nuthin out of sumthin.
      It’s all there.
      All you have to do is open your other eye. “

      Yes it’s all a News Ltd plot. Now tell me how that explains the Fairfax coverage of the issue? Indeed about the only news outlet not touching it is the ever faithful ABC.

    • Sam says:

      04:47pm | 20/11/12

      Of course you can’t open your other eye TimB because you have sewn it shut in protest to reality. You have no idea how the media works and how they grasp at each others straws just in case there might be some substance.
      Ignore the mediawatch segment and remain one eyed and clueless.

      Why do your posts always make me think of someone who eats soup with a fork?

    • Tim says:

      04:50pm | 20/11/12

      TimB,
      Ah so she answered questions for over an hour but the poor journalists weren’t prepared. LOL. If there was clear evidence they had there chance to catch her. They had nothing.

      No nothing new has come out. I’ve followed the developments and the new information is simply more innuendo with no firm basis.
      Dash seems to be pinning his hopes on the word of an admitted fraudster.

      And you can’t deny the extraordinary coverage that News Ltd has been giving to this issue. The politics is far clearer than the evidence against Gillard.

    • Dash says:

      04:54pm | 20/11/12

      I give up!

    • TimB says:

      06:49pm | 20/11/12

      ‘Sam says:04:47pm | 20/11/12

      Of course you can’t open your other eye TimB because you have sewn it shut in protest to reality. You have no idea how the media works and how they grasp at each others straws just in case there might be some substance.
      Ignore the mediawatch segment and remain one eyed and clueless.’

      Badger, nothing in your posts ever has convinced me you have any sort of insight into how the media works. Quite the opposite.

      ‘Why do your posts always make me think of someone who eats soup with a fork?’

      Because you steal insults and aren’t particularly bright, that’s why.

      @ Tim, if you honestly believe no new information has surfaced since the PM’s press conference, and that it’s appropriate to call one with no notice with the caveat that it’s the only time she’ll ever speak on the issue….There’s nothning I can do for you. You remain wilfully blind.


      PS. These allegations started within the ALP. Throwing News Ltd’s involvement around like it means anything isn’t paticularly clever.

    • S.L says:

      04:50am | 20/11/12

      I went to the monthly General Meeting for the local soccer club last night.  Two of us (myself and a parent who’s a policeman) were nominated as child protection officers for next year. What I find sad in this day and age is that we need child protection officers at all!
      You’d think kids could play organised sport without someone having to “look over their shoulder” making sure they’re safe and sound from preditors…...............

    • Ben C says:

      09:01am | 20/11/12

      Up to what age groups are child protection officers required to be present? Also, given the number of parents that will be in attendance at these games, is there really a need for child protection officers?

    • AFR says:

      10:30am | 20/11/12

      Try being 35, male and childless. You are universally branded a paedo.

    • marley says:

      10:32am | 20/11/12

      @BenC - given the behaviour of some parents at kids games, I’d say the child protection officers may spend more time protecting the kids from parents as from predators.

    • Ben C says:

      11:40am | 20/11/12

      @ marley

      Yeah, true that, the sports parent.

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      12:28pm | 20/11/12

      Australia has truly gone bat sh*t over the child molestation thing.

      Agree with BenC. I was walking and riding to school at 10 years old, that was 16 years ago. Can’t be more child molesters around since then just cotton wool generation gone crazy.

      In regards to the rank parents, there is usually always the head of the club at the ground to deal with them.

    • S.L says:

      01:09pm | 20/11/12

      It is required by the Football Federation Australia. Up to what age I don’t know….......

    • acotrel says:

      05:20am | 20/11/12

      It is a comfort knowing that Obama continues to lead the USA. We really didn’t need a professional toe-cutter doing that job, and pulling down the whole world with his idiocy.
      Next election in Australia:
      Vote #1 : Andrew Bolt ??

    • Rebecca says:

      08:50am | 20/11/12

      I vote Hamish & Andy.

    • Chris L says:

      11:31am | 20/11/12

      If Costello had stayed on to lead the Coalition, and had Abbott as his deputy I would have been inclined to vote for them just for the lolz.

    • Anubis says:

      12:18pm | 20/11/12

      Yes - an Abbott and Costello Government was a possibility there. Instead we got the three stooges (Gillard/Swan/Albanese)

    • Dash says:

      12:42pm | 20/11/12

      @acotrel - you have made a number of unfounded accusations in your post.

    • gobsmack says:

      02:21pm | 20/11/12

      @Anubis
      “Instead we got the three stooges”

      Unfortunately without the slaps, smacks and eye-pokes.

    • Loddlaen says:

      05:47am | 20/11/12

      I proposed to my girl on the weekend. She said yes!

    • Bane says:

      09:36am | 20/11/12

      Good job, well done, congratulations, all the best for the future!

    • patsy says:

      10:05am | 20/11/12

      A big crongratulations to you both. When you post “yes” with an ! after it I can tell you are very happy.

    • Mouse: says:

      10:24am | 20/11/12

      Damn, looks like my comment got eaten!!  OK, start again….
      Congrats Loddlaen, I am very happy for both of you. May your future together be filled with fun and happiness, love and comfort. It’s great when someone finds their life partner and I wish you two all the best for your new life together, always.  :o)

      ps, does this lady know that next November she must wear a mo ALL month? I certainly hope you explained this BEFORE the proposal! lol ;o)

    • pa_kelvin says:

      10:41am | 20/11/12

      Try again ...Congats to you and the new bride to be Loddy. smile

    • tez says:

      11:04am | 20/11/12

      Congrats don’t spend too much on the wedding save it for the honymoon.

    • Anubis says:

      11:05am | 20/11/12

      Congratulations Loddlaen. Please refer to yesterdays article re: How not to blow a house deposit on a ridiculous party.

    • Baloo says:

      11:26am | 20/11/12

      Wooooooooo!

    • Ben C says:

      11:41am | 20/11/12

      Congratulations Loddlaen!

    • Chris L says:

      12:59pm | 20/11/12

      Your first marriage is always the most special.

    • Christian Real says:

      01:22pm | 20/11/12

      Loddlaen
      congratulations, and may you both have a wonderful future together

    • Dash says:

      01:57pm | 20/11/12

      They always say a man is incomplete until he’s married. Then he’s finished!

    • pa_kelvin says:

      02:00pm | 20/11/12

      Chris L ... That would have worked better with a little smiley face smile

    • Chris L says:

      02:26pm | 20/11/12

      Good point Pa. Sorry Loddlaen, I wasn’t trying to bring you down.

    • James D says:

      05:59am | 20/11/12

      Ahh Democracy.. Violent Mob Rule by any other name doesn’t seem so civilized.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      06:14am | 20/11/12

      I don’t normally post Political comments but after the last 2+ some years I personally think both sides of Parliament suck… The personal attacks ,muck racking and general smear campaigns from both sides of the House is Disgraceful ,and in my opinion has nothing at all to do as to what Party or Leader should be running this Country… The way both Parties act in Parliament remind me of 5 or 6 year olds at school, Hell make that any age at any Primary School…
      What this Country really needs is decent leadership, but from what side of Parliament that will come from I don’t know. In my younger life I voted Labor, but as I grew older and started running my own, or managing business’ for other’s I started to lean more to the Liberal Coalition side of Politics as they tended to offer more incentive to small business.
      I currently own and operate my own small business, and at the last election was promised Company tax cuts.. This hasn’t happened..
      Both Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard are un-liked in all polls taken, and yet both still lead their respective Parties, the answer to which I don’t know. The top 5 in both Political parties IMO are not Leader-ship material, and if I had to pick a prospective Leader for this Country I’d be struggling.
      I’m at the stage where every-body in Parliament are dickheads out for their Tax-payer funded Pensions, and screw the electorate, or how can we put the screw in more.
      Our Country cannot cope with a Hung Parliament from either side of Politics… Deals with the Independents and Greens from either side, invariably are deals with the Devil and Labor or Liberal/ Coalition should never be allowed to negotiate Party policy with any Minority group, if there is a hung Parliament it should go back to a vote so that we the voters decide who runs our Country, and not some-one who gets a new hospital, or new rail-line etc.
      There is no-one in in the Labor party who would want the top job at the moment as it would be the end of their Political career, and there is no-one in the Coalition displaying any alternative Leadership material. I’m a Liberal supporter [not diehard], but if neither side of Politics change, or better Leadership is not put forward I don’t know what my vote will be. I guess I’ve got the next 12 Months to see…
      End rant
      Got a headache after that, think I might concentrate on my little one liner’s from now on ?

    • Ross says:

      07:55am | 20/11/12

      Abbott loses another one. Keep it up, Tony.

    • Mouse says:

      08:24am | 20/11/12

      pa_kelvin, bugga your one liners, that was a pretty good call I think and would probably be the way a lot of people see politics at the moment (me being one of them)
      After advice from a friend, I have been looking at minor parties, not Greens or Independents though, and have found that there are some out there that offer a very good alternative. They may never become one of the major parties but they may get enough numbers to make a difference.  I would suggest that you may like to look into it and find out about who’s who in your area.  Hey, anything that offers a good and responsible alternative is a positive in my book! lol :o)

      Now, about that headache….......I’m sure ma has a cure! hehehe
      Cuppa tea I mean   ;op

    • acotrel says:

      08:41am | 20/11/12

      ’ The personal attacks ,muck racking and general smear campaigns from both sides of the House is Disgraceful ,and in my opinion has nothing at all to do as to what Party or Leader should be running this Country’

      The good old ‘one is as bad as the other’ argument.  But is it true that they are both into desperate smearing of the other party’s members ? Both parties are not ‘bad losers’ ! Only one of them lost the last election, and BOY, are we paying for it now ?

    • Yak says:

      08:50am | 20/11/12

      Good morning pa_kelvin.
      I, too, share your uncertainty as to which political persuasion is best for myself and the country. Both seem as bad as the other. Wouldn’t it be good if we could say that they are both as good as each other. I was a staunch Liberal voter for most of my younger years. Mr. Howard destroyed that trend with the Tampa and WMD’s, among other things. I was content voting Labor, for a while. Now, I’m in a quandary. Where to from here?
      Fortunately we have an Independent in our electorate who is doing a fine job.

      The most annoying feature of our two-party system is the blind devotion to the party-line. Crossing the floor should be a daily occurrence if respective representatives would follow their constituents wishes. This is the true value of an Independent.

      Have a wonderful day.

    • Gregg says:

      08:51am | 20/11/12

      Yeah pa stick with those one liners like
      ” The personal attacks ,muck racking and general smear campaigns from both sides of the House is Disgraceful “
      Well one an a half anyway
      And you’ll find the absence of all that personal muck raking and smearing might leave your head clearer!

      Still, wouldn’t it be great to have some confidence in a leader who would not claim there was nothing wrong in setting up a slush fund, a fund to be funded from Union members’superannuation account and then refuse to answer any questions in relation to whether or not she personally obtained benefits.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      11:29am | 20/11/12

      @ Ross..Nowhere in my post did I say that the coalition has lost my vote
      “I’m a Liberal supporter [not diehard], but if neither side of Politics change, or better Leadership is not put forward I don’t know what my vote will be. I guess I’ve got the next 12 Months to see…”
      I do not like the Politics of either Party as it stands Today..
      @acotrel.. I think you got this statement wrong     “The good old ‘one is as bad as the other’ argument.  But is it true that they are both into desperate smearing of the other party’s members ? Both parties are not ‘bad losers’ ! Only one of them lost the last election, and BOY, are we paying for it now ?” Should read   “The good old ‘one is as bad as the other’ argument.  But IT IS true that they are both into desperate smearing of the other party’s members ? Both parties are not ‘bad losers’ ! Only one of them lost the last election, and BOY, are we paying for it now”  Notice I’ve removed the question mark and changed around 2 little words to fix your statement for you..
      Yak…  “The most annoying feature of our two-party system is the blind devotion to the party-line. Crossing the floor should be a daily occurrence if respective representatives would follow their constituents wishes. This is the true value of an Independent”  It should be the true value of ANY Polititian…
      I could go on WMD’s… Slushfunds..Wall Punching ,smear ,smear ,and more smear, Where doe’s any of this do our Country Justice?? Oh that’s right it doesn’t…sadly…....... @ rants in 1 day ..My Apologies.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:26pm | 20/11/12

      Mouse sorry I didn’t adress your post…. Some of the Minor Party’ are OK ,but the trouble is that we are still stuck with the problem of those Party’ Policy to form Government when we have a Hung Parliament as we have now..
      As I said in my original post…
      “Our Country cannot cope with a Hung Parliament from either side of Politics… Deals with the Independents and Greens from either side, invariably are deals with the Devil and Labor or Liberal/ Coalition should never be allowed to negotiate Party policy with any Minority group, if there is a hung Parliament it should go back to a vote so that we the voters decide who runs our Country, and not some-one who gets a new hospital, or new rail-line etc”.
      Gregg This is what I’m talking about…Smear…  “Still, wouldn’t it be great to have some confidence in a leader who would not claim there was nothing wrong in setting up a slush fund, a fund to be funded from Union members’superannuation account and then refuse to answer any questions in relation to whether or not she personally obtained benefits.”
      Unfortunatly it’s coming from both sides…
      pa_kelvin for PM…. Vote 1 smile

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      12:51pm | 20/11/12

      Even as a Labor voter I concur.

      Both sides of politics are so media driven at the moment its affecting how the country runs.

      The media have a huge part to play in all this as well. Always looking for the next ‘gotcha’ moment or the he said, she said crap that doesn’t benefit anyone. When you have had more paper pages devoted to the carbon tax lie or electricity prices then what we did to the Iraq War lie you know somethings wrong.  Both sides of politics only govern for the 4 years periods that’s why you wont see the 2nd airport in Sydney or a huge silicon valley type set up in the hunter because it won win them any votes in the immediate.

      Politics is so dumbed down in this country that when something like the NBN which will benefit all Australians has been made into a political football which neither side has the brains to debate. It should be we support the policy as its in Australia’s best interests, just keep the costs inline with predictions. Instead you have the Libs proposing some tin can and string alternative which will help nobody and has been dissed by pretty much everyone in the know.

      Coming from Hawke and Keating the country become so reserved and boring under Howard, nothing happened, nothing was built, nothing was set up to help Australia ( future fund yes ) so when Koven07 came along he breathed new hope into Australian politics, a bit of a go getter and thats part of the reason he smashed Howard at the election, too bad the factions in the Labor party killed him off.

      If you are looking for a party that will look after your needs in Australia, I’d say you are going to be disappointed. We are an intellectual wasteland down here.

    • Chris L says:

      01:13pm | 20/11/12

      Ignore the zombies pa_kelvin. Always vote with your conscience, never someone else’s.

      I agree with Mouse (or maybe she agrees with me) the minor parties have their purpose. Remember the Democrats used to do a fairly decent job of balancing out the two majors (I wouldn’t trust the Greens with the same job). Plus, if we do endure another hung parliament or two perhaps the pollies will think about having a look at themselves and asking why we aren’t supporting them.

      I recommend doing a google search for parties in your electorate just before the next election. I’ll wager you’ll find a party or two that suits you better than any of the big ones, and their preferences will flow on to the majors anyway so there’s nothing lost from that perspective.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      01:57pm | 20/11/12

      Chris L…  That was the point of my post… Someone has got it.
      Vote for who you, as an individual prefere, and not the Party running the best smear campaine… If the rusted on’s from both sides looked passed their Lefty/Righty way of thinking we COULD [wishful thinking] have a semi decent Parliament regardless of which Party is in control, as it stands now, sadly all we have is Rubbish…
      As I have said above I do not believe Minority Govts relying on Independents or other Political Party’ to prop them up work…

    • pa_kelvin says:

      03:44pm | 20/11/12

      And a good example of what I,ve been saying started in the above, first posted thread of the day….
      Gunna go and soak my poor, weary typing finger.. I,ve never typed so much in one day…. smile

    • TChong says:

      06:28am | 20/11/12

      Prez Bazza visits, so “Burma” suddenly reverts back to Myanmar.
      Why did western media refuse to use “Myanmar ” for so long?
      “Burma” ( the old colonial name ) was changed in 1989.
      It would be like if Australia was still referred to as Van Diemens Land.

    • Michael says:

      09:21am | 20/11/12

      It’s the reward for attempting democracy, we will allow ourselves to use the name they call themselves when addressing their nation because we now approve of them as a democracy.

      It might be like the people that label you an anti-semite might let you just be TChong if you agree with some of their points of view.

    • AFR says:

      10:32am | 20/11/12

      Meh, everyone still calls it Burma.

    • marley says:

      10:48am | 20/11/12

      @TChong - I’m still mourning the loss of Peking, Madras and Bombay, not to mention Tanganyika and Siam.  Give me a little time on Rangoon and Burma.

    • ma_kelvin says:

      06:49am | 20/11/12

      Out of all the Prime Ministers in Australia in the last 30 years for me the best was John Howard.  He was a stayer, quiet achiever and with the help of Peter Costello gave us the healthest economy of all time. I see the qalities of John Howard in Tony Abbott a quiet achiever and has.the staying power, passion for this country.  People like Laurie Oaks have forgotton that Tony was Liberals Head kicker during John Howards time. What a little ripper fighter when the chips are down.
      Currently he learning what he has to do to be prime minister and following John Howards example. John Howard for many years.prepared for the role and that is what Tony Abbott is doing.
      Out of all the politicians he is demonstrating balance and focus on what is important for australia.
      Part of me wants Tony to “Sic them all and Go get them rex” “Tony”  and start kicking heads again.  This country is on a downwards spiral and we need a true grit prime minister. Tony abbott has got what it takes and by showing he is balanced and focused on what is important like John Howard he will move this country forward and become possibilly be the best Prime Minister of all time.

    • Kim says:

      07:58am | 20/11/12

      Hilarious, but the key to satire is not to make it too obvious. Thanks anyway.

    • Mouse says:

      08:40am | 20/11/12

      LOL, I cannot wait to read the replies this comment is going to get!!
      A big part of me agrees with you, I really liked Howard, and I hope that Abbott continues to stay away from the slagging, leaving that to his ministers from now on.  He has the potential, as you say, to be a great PM. It will be a good thing if he can stay focussed, keep on track and be like Howard, what he says, he does, no question.  Now it’s like a Monty Python skit…...“and now for something completely different…. I’ve changed the rules!!  haha” 
      As I said to pa earlier, there are alternatives to the 2 main parties, you just gotta be comfortable with your choices.  :o)

    • andye says:

      08:45am | 20/11/12

      @Ma_kelvin - “He was a stayer, quiet achiever and with the help of Peter Costello gave us the healthest economy of all time.”

      Howard presided over the period of unsustainable credit fulled growth borrowing from the future during a massive long boom. He left a structural deficit such that when that boom ended, we could no longer afford what was being spent.

    • Yak says:

      08:59am | 20/11/12

      I blame mouse for this.

      It seems scarily like a “release the hounds” moment. I await your next post with trepidation, ma.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:43am | 20/11/12

      Probably trolling but I’ll bite. John Howard was Australia’s worst Prime Minister ever. Turned Australia into a nation of middle class family welfare parasite-junkies. Promoted high immigration that turned Australian cities into shitholes. Promoted a baby boom just as the baby boomers are about to retire, thus leaving a narrowing taxpayer base to support two non productive generations. Sold off Australian assets and squandered the proceeds. (nice monopolies on airports for the private sector though) We won’t go into how he inflicted his narrow Christian morality on issues such as Gay Marriage, Euthanasia and Morning After Pill upon Australia, incidently overturning democratic rights in places like ACT and Northern Territory. I almost forgot Australia’s involvement in two expensive and useless wars in the middle east, one of which was fought over non existent Weapons of Mass Destruction. Rudd and Gillard are incompetent fools but they don’t have the pure evil that was John Howard.

    • Economist says:

      10:29am | 20/11/12

      I agree and disagree. I agree Howard was an effective leader, he was aggressive but not overly assertive like Rudd appeared to be. He trusted his Ministry for ideas but still had final say, unlike Rudd who didn’t trust anyone it would seem.

      I just don’t think that Abbott has leadership, yet, perhaps a term to settle into the role. It appears to me that he’s a bit of a puppet for the conservative right, like Abetz, and while retired the influential Minchin. More George W Bush than George H Bush.

    • marley says:

      10:34am | 20/11/12

      @Shane - just on that one point.  The oldest baby boomers are about to retire, but the youngest ones will be supporting those new “boomers” for another 15 or 20 years.  And those new boomers will end up supporting you.  So I don’t see your issue at all.

    • AFR says:

      10:55am | 20/11/12

      What Shane said. I don’t have much more to add.

      I know I felt so much less proud to be an Australian through the Howard years.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:43am | 20/11/12

      @marley- that there is a critical 20 to 30 year gap where the baby boomers start to retire but the new baby boom has yet to become productive taxpayers (that is assuming that they come of age during an economic boom which ain’t ever going to happen- the global economy is locked into a downward spiral dependent upon the master resource of oil) So you have the government dependent upon falling revenues as the boomers retire but increased expenditure upon aged care, maternity wards, school places, middle class family welfare etc. etc. which is a nightmare scenario for federal and state budgets. (we won’t go into the fact that the federal government has its hands upon the policy levers of family welfare and immigration while the states have to deal with the consequences) Population booms are only of value during economic booms, during economic downturns they are an absolute drain upon state finances.

    • Huh? says:

      12:28pm | 20/11/12

      “This country is on a downwards spiral “
      Where are you currently living ... Greece?

      We have an economy the envy of the world, low interest rates, low unemployment and the lowest debt to GDP amongst first world countries.
      Please explain upon what are you forming this opinion.

    • Dash says:

      12:39pm | 20/11/12

      @Shane - you have made a number of unfounded allegations in your post.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:41pm | 20/11/12

      Told you Mouse…  smile  Pandoras Box .. It’s to late now.. smile

    • Tim says:

      12:42pm | 20/11/12

      Marley,
      The oldest baby boomers are already retiring. They have passed their peak earning years and are already starting to become a larger cost on society that will only increase.

      And the next generation won’t be paying for us when we get older because the pension and associated welfare will well and truly be phased out by then, at least at the levels seen today.

      Shane is completely correct that the current working generation(s) are being forced to fund two unproductive generations and will most likely receive diddly squat for doing so.

    • ma_kelvin says:

      01:12pm | 20/11/12

      Thanks for all comments that I received from my personal statement.
      Australians should be voting for a party that will put into place what is best for Australia.
      Governments should not be interfering with the market place, and, the hard working people trying to make an honest living.  Notice I said honest living.
      I believe we have something unique in this country and that is we are bloody   hard working, honest people trying to do the best for their families and others.
      For those of you that are not paying attention to the facts are focused on dogmar and one party they should try and be objective and do the research the facts, as figures don’t lie. I lived it daily and that is why I know it.
      I am very grateful to John Howard, Peter Costello and Tony Abbott as they were a very successful team that truley helped this country.
      John Howards Government put the correct policies in place to make it all happen for Australia.
      Peter Costello was the rock and did his job in an honest hard working way that I will be forever grateful for.
      During those heady years Tony Abbott had to be the bad guy and had to kick heads to make sure that the policies would be successful for this country.  I am sure a few heads got kicked but Laurie Oaks won’t tell that story.
      John Howard and Peter Costello will be remembered for what they did for this country in 100 years time.  If you are a labour supporter like I was back in the Bob Hawke days , sorry those days are gone. 
      Also Paul Keating was great for a few years but put us all in the hole by not protecting the bottom line. (Big mistake)  Costello protected the bottom line and that is why we did not go down the plug hole when the GFC in 2007 hit us all.
      The best thing you can do for this country is not back the party, back the man who will do the best for serve Australia.
        I am hoping that the coalition will remember the Howard Days and keep backing the man that will give this country a big kick in the arse at the same time protecting our arses.  Also bring back Costello as we are all trying to do the best for our families and businesses we are really struggling.  Lets all kick arse.

    • Mouse says:

      01:26pm | 20/11/12

      pa_k & Yak hahahahahahahha!  Suffer Big Boyz!!
      Leave ma alone, she’s doing quite well on her own, thank you very much!!  GO MA_KELVIN!! LOL :oD

    • marley says:

      01:37pm | 20/11/12

      @Tim - I know the oldest boomers are retiring, because I’m one of them.  (Incidentally, I’m not costing anyone anything - self funded and all that - I’m in fact supporting the younger generations with my taxes.  But I digress).

      My point was that Shane is implying all the boomers will be retiring at the same time, leaving Gen X and Y with the bills.  And you’re repeating the message by saying that the current working generation will be paying for two unproductive generations at once.  I’m just saying that many boomers ARE the current working generation:  the youngest boomers have about 15 to 20 years to go, and that’s a lot of years of contributing taxes to the system.  Those Howard boomlet kids will be in the workforce themselves by the time the last boomer retires.

      Another point I’ve read somewhere (sorry, can’t recall where) is that the boomers are actually healthier than younger generations, who are coming down with heart disease and diabetes at earlier ages than their parents did - so it might be that you will be costing the system as much as those 20 years older than you.  And then I’ll be supporting you as well.  Sigh.

    • Tim says:

      03:20pm | 20/11/12

      Marley,
      OK then “On Average”.

      Of course when we’re talking about generations, it’s not going to be exact and it’s not going to apply to everyone at once.

      The fact is, the Boomers peak earning years are over, they are beginning to earn less and cost more now, on average (although they still have a large percentage of net wealth).
      Sure a lot of them are still working but they are on the downward side now.

      And as for your health statement, it’s actually not a positive.
      Living longer and healthier usually means a larger health bill than if you die younger of a good old nasty heart attack. The vast majority of the health care bill comes from caring for the elderly in their last few years of life when they need more constant care.
      The healthy boomers will probably screw us again by needing masses of palliative care.

    • ma_kelvin says:

      03:36pm | 20/11/12

      Walter Brennan
      Last year I asked my Doctor – How do you stand it when people die and you are treating accident victims?
      He said to me something that I can’t get out of my head “ Would you be surprised if I said to you “Life is not Fair” and “ I don’t care that” Life is not Fair”.
      My Doctors parents comes from communist Vietnam and began to explain that he is at peace with himself, has no worries,  because he knows that” Life is Not Fair”.

      I tried to work it out for myself how he could say such a thing and began to realise what he meant.
      I also thought about what it would of been like to have a father like Hancock, Packer, Murdoch and Fairfax.
      Leaving out the money they had available to them I focused on what they had to learn from their parents and the hard knocks too. 
      All of their children have to learn how to be successful and carry on just like everyone else in Australia.

      I can now identify with them on that level with my own experiences and your readers will identify if they look at it the way it is “Life is Not Fair”.
      My great grandparents were diamond drillers in the gold fields around Australia( picture attached). In the 1800’s they made do with what they had with the help of family and friends to raise 4 children in Gippsland.
      My grandparents had two jobs and made do with what they had with the veggie garden and fishing available to them during world war 2.
      My parents had small businesses and worked long hours to put food on the table and bought up 4 children.
      My husband and I are working long hours in our small business and raised our 3 children.
      We are all proud Australians and we have to realise “Life is not Fair”. 
      As Australians we were born to get on with it , work together, work it out,  and try and make the best of what we have in the best country in the World.(We are all lucky - really)
      Its great to be associated with Ma and Pa Kettle as they first appear naive and funny but really are very cunning and cleaver and they have a sense of humour and get through life.  Life was not fair in the 40’s and 50’s and “Life is not Fair” today.

    • I hate pies says:

      07:26am | 20/11/12

      The car in that photo has some seriously thick doors

    • Gregg says:

      09:58am | 20/11/12

      Not to mention likely bullet proof/blast resistant windows and those additional catches and perhaps even pin engagement locks on the upper part, all to create something of a safety capsule for the Prez.

      Wonder how many they have in the fleet with back ups and all that can fly them to various locations and have available immediately he lands, probably one reason it was good for the bail out of their car manufacturers and steel industry for the high strength armour plate in use.

      You would not want to be paying the fuel bill for a bit of cruising about.
      Maybe a dollar earner there too - take a spin in a Prez limo for the tourists and then as they’re pensioned off, take out all the secret gadgets and use them for a type Indy race too, demo derby etc.

    • I hate pies says:

      10:48am | 20/11/12

      You reckon it’s got a mini-gun and spikes out of the wheels and can fire out oil slicks too? I want one

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      12:55pm | 20/11/12

      I have one. I use it when I need to drive down the main st of Lakemba. Except mines a WRX not a Cadillac.

    • Draconian says:

      01:04pm | 20/11/12

      I only want one if it also has underwater capabilities as well… sub-mode = awesome!

    • Jay says:

      07:45am | 20/11/12

      The muder of Sarah Cafferkey by a person of interest who has a history of murder, escaping prison, kidnapping, assault once again highlights the ridiculous sentencing laws that former Attorney General Rob Hulls implemented. Hulls and his left wing lawyer mates never believed in maximum sentences. When someone brutally muders an 18 y.o girl because she rejected his advances and then serves 12 years (minimum) even after trying to escape shows what a joke our system has become. Rape sentences are a joke. Jill Meagher was the victim of a predator and so has Sarah. In my view the death penalty should only apply in cases like Julian Knight the gutless person who sits in jail taunting his victims and wasting tax payers money. Life should mean life: Never to be released. If we need more prisons then bulld them and increase taxes or use the funds from the proceeds of crimes.How many more innocent people have to die at the hands of scum, only to watch them released after 10 or 12 years. Ted talked tough about sentencing, well here is his chance. Life means Life.

    • Mouse says:

      08:53am | 20/11/12

      What I have never been able to understand, if a person is never to be released because his/her crime was so heinous, why not give them a lethal injection? Why do they sit in jail, for the rest of their life, fed 3 meals a day, get educated, looked after medically, at tax payers expense when they are never going to contribute to society ever again? It cost what, $100,000 per year to jail them? If they live another 40 years that is $4B wasted on a low life that the justice system decided had no rights to live with the rest of us any more. How friggin stupid is that?  :o)

    • Rebecca says:

      09:01am | 20/11/12

      Completely agree. I’m a 22 year old woman so when I see stories about people exactly like me - Jill Meagher, Sarah Cafferkey, etc. - being brutally murdered, it really shakes me realizing how easily it could happen. I like to think we’re safe here in Australia but the reality is you can’t trust anyone, we all have to take precautions for our safety. 
      Once somebody takes away another person’s right to safety or life, they give up their own rights to freedom. Throw them in jail, keep them away from the community until they die.

    • Anubis says:

      09:30am | 20/11/12

      Sarah was a friend and school colleague of two of my children. I hope that when they catch the bastard that destroyed her that they lock him away in a dark hole somewhere - never to be released.

    • Ex says:

      10:45am | 20/11/12

      No no…we are SO much a better “society” if we keep our killers.

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:07am | 20/11/12

      Rehabilitaion workls people! How many times have we been told this?

      Punishment first then Rehabilitation.

      They get 20 years, they serve 20 years. Then and only then can a ‘Rehabilitation’ phase kick in. They complete courses, mental health checks, do work course or education courses and get them ready for the outside world, organise accomodation etc and then and only then can they be released. Screw up again and its throw away the key time.

    • Thunderoad says:

      12:53pm | 20/11/12

      Jay says: 07:45am | 20/11/12

      The person of interest you are referring to was convicted of murder in 1986 and served a prison sentence over a number of years following.

      Rob Hulls was elected to the Victorian State Parliament In 1996 and was Attorney General from 1999 to 2002.

      I’m no particular fan of Hulls in the same way that I’m no fan of unsubstantiated rants which are completely devoid of any factual basis.

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      12:59pm | 20/11/12

      I guess its like all those crazy right wingers who believe in god and human life but kill people with the death sentence.

      “if a person is never to be released because his/her crime was so heinous, why not give them a lethal injection? Why do they sit in jail, for the rest of their life”

      Because justice isn’t fair. A fair few black people and I’d say some poor whites sitting on death row because they had a cheap lawyer and only got found not guilty because of new DNA evidence.

    • Mouse says:

      01:38pm | 20/11/12

      simonfromlakemba, did you read my post properly? I said people who have committed heinous crimes and never to be released.  Remember Anita Cobby, her killers tortured her, repeatedly raped her and eventually killed her. In court they showed no remorse, thought it was a big joke! They laughed at her parents and never once pleaded innocent. People like that deserve the needle because they should NEVER be released. I am just a bit sad that hanging now is not an option.  :o|

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      03:32pm | 20/11/12

      Mouse

      I read your post, appears you didn’t read mine.

    • Mouse says:

      06:40pm | 20/11/12

      simonfromlakemba, I would most probably believe that the ones you say were proven innocent would have claimed as much,  many times. The Anita Cobby murderers did not, ever.  IMO, creeps like these have forfeited all rights to free air. It’s as simple as that.  :o)

    • DJ says:

      08:06am | 20/11/12

      It is interesting that despite slagging the ALP for years about using committee’s and reports to cover itself instead of making decisions one of the rare forays near policy sees the LNP passing the buck onto the productivity commission. That’s ok but a bit hypocritical…

    • not amoosed says:

      08:23am | 20/11/12

      On A2 ‘designer’ milk: they say it’s not GM because they modify the genes of the cow, not the actual milk…. Eh??

      What’s the difference between genetically modifying a plant to produce difference fruit and genetically modifying a cow to produce different milk????

      Call it ‘designer’ people flock to buy it because it has health benefits but call it GM and people avoid it like the plague.

      GM, designer: same thing. Clearly they’re marketing GM foods wrong.

    • fml says:

      09:36am | 20/11/12

      We have been eating genetically modified food since Gregor Mendel forced to plants to have sex.

    • Ian1 says:

      09:59am | 20/11/12

      Scarcity of nursing jobs may force graduate to new career - from couriermail online.

      It would be nice if school leavers were advised of the numbers of unemployed professionals in industries they are seeking higher education to join before they enrol.

      For example, there are 17500 odd too many teachers in QLD more than teaching positions on offer.  Here we have a story about nursing heading in the same direction.

      Education for educations sake, or for a generation beholden to their HECS debt?

      Why haven’t the generation who didn’t pay for their tertiary education considered stepping out of the positions they occupy so that those who do have to fund it find a means of paying for their often sub-standard outcomes.

      Meanwhile the traditional media continue to present the partial view of a world it can no longer control.

    • HappyG says:

      10:48am | 20/11/12

      Name me a hospital or area health service where there are no nursing vacancies. I have been married to a nurse for 25 years and there’s always, and I mean always nursing vacancies. That’s why we’re seeing nurses from India and elsewhere in Asia working in our hospitals. We can’t train and retain enough of our own.

    • tez says:

      11:00am | 20/11/12

      I tried this topic before on a simiar note and got hammered I suspect it is very important for educators to protect their own positions.

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:11am | 20/11/12

      5 years ago we were sscreaming for teachers, bitching and moaning that our kids were going to become illiterate because of the lack of teachers.

      Scarcity of Nursing jobs now?? Isn’t this the same industry whinging about overworked staff and 14 hour a day shifts and whatnot? Poke your nose into any public hospital in the country and its full of 3rd world trained stuff from the doctors to the nurses and right down to the cleaners.

    • Ally says:

      11:12am | 20/11/12

      We’ve had the same stories down here in Tasmania in recent weeks, with nursing graduates complaining that they should be guaranteed jobs. I say “tough luck”. You cannot tell me that every single person that scrapes a passing grade is employable.

      It’s the same thing with teachers. I’ve known a lot of people that have done teaching at uni because they didn’t really know what they wanted to do and it was a course that required a relatively low entrance score.

    • Draconian says:

      10:54am | 20/11/12

      That hilarious.  Left me gobsmacked!  raspberry

    • Hammy says:

      10:29am | 20/11/12

      I am expecting NSW will buy tries and other game points ahead of Origin to ensure a win?

    • Clair Voyant says:

      06:31pm | 20/11/12

      Where you been all day PJ??? Missed the boat on that one… smile
      But i can see you using it tomorrow.

 

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