Punch on: Open thread 20/10/2011

Davida says:

05:38am | 20/10/11

Beat me by this much…...I’ll try reprobate.

Tim says:

08:40am | 20/10/11

Because women can only ever be the victims of sex crimes Ghost.
Sheesh, I thought everybody knew that by now.

Are we sure that those teenage boys didn’t take advantage of this woman because she has such low self esteem?

Erick says:

08:55am | 20/10/11

Female criminals are generally treated more leniently than male criminals, due to sexist discrimination. This applies to an even greater extent in the case of female sex criminals. It’s part of the women-are-always-victims mindset.

It’s even worse in the US. There, underage boys who have been raped by older women are forced to pay “child support” if the rapist becomes pregnant. Talk about punishing the victim!~

gobsmack says:

07:10am | 20/10/11

Same thing happened to my partner a couple of days ago.  It could have been worse - a redback spider for instance.

fairsfair says:

08:41am | 20/10/11

I have had multiple toads in my joggers. They are revolting, but thankfully they don’t crack under pressure, though they sometimes crap under pressure….

I once stuck my thumbs into a balled pair of socks and was bitten by a bird eating spider. For the record… they look like this… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_birdeater OMFG - I nearly died from shock and I feel sick just looking at that photo.

Always bash your balls before diving in with the thumbs!

Seanr says:

08:50am | 20/10/11

I always make a point of stepping on the toe of my shoes that are in the garage just to make sure no creature is using them as a squat. 

Arises from the unfortunate incident a couple of years ago when upon putting on the old sandshoes I felt something crawling over my toe, exit one large cockaroach.  To this day I deny my wife’s assertion that “all I heard was this high pitched squeal from the garage” it was a “Braveheart roar”...

TimB says:

09:42am | 20/10/11

Holy shit Fairs. Look at that thing.

My spider story: When I was about 8 or 9 we were getting in the car to head off somewhere when I felt something soft under the car door handle. Thinking my ever-disgusting younger brother has shoved a used tissue in there (thats what it felt like!), I grabbed a stick to dig it out.
Imagine my sheer shock when my poking resulted in the appearance of a bunch of giant hairy legs followed by the massive huntsman spider they were attached to. I nailed it with a chunk of brick as it scuttled across the driveway.  Spiders. Hate them

It’s funny though, I’m on a video game forum primarily frequented by Americans and Canadians. I’m like the only Aussie regular on it. Every so often when I see an opportunity, I post this pic of a Sydney funnel web. It freaks them out every time .

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/78345637_2c8554052d.jpg

Tim says:

09:54am | 20/10/11

“I have had multiple toads in my joggers”

I know you were being literal, but this just sounds like a very strange metaphor.

Anubis says:

09:58am | 20/10/11

@ fairsfair - You’re getting a bit personal (and possibly painful) there fairs…“Always bash your balls before diving in with the thumbs!”

Ghost says:

10:02am | 20/10/11

Notes to self:

Keep fairsfair away from balls.

fairsfair says:

04:01pm | 20/10/11

Of all the time to leave out the word sock… whoopsie. As if diving in all thumbs would not be bad enough.

lol @ Seanr - a noise only dogs could hear

Yep TimB - death to all spiders. The scariest part was I had no idea how long it had been living in my sock drawer and god knows what it was fandancing on at night time :( I choose not to think about that.

This clock spider is the scariest thing I have ever seen. Just the pic of the legs poking out. Freaky sh*t. Its up there with the clowns.

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f181/spider-behind-clock-11890/

Mark G says:

07:58am | 20/10/11

Ian1,

it fits all except the description of Kevin Rudd. He is still an embarrassment.

nihonin says:

07:30am | 20/10/11

iansand, your comment interrupted my reading of other comments.

fairsfair says:

11:05am | 20/10/11

OR they see you reading and think they can recommend you books and tell you how much they read. A) it interrups you as you say or B) it leads to my current predicament…

I am currently reading a children’s book called “The Little Prince” because a colleague of mine saw me reading to Kill a Mockingbird and thought I’d “Just love it”. Now I am obliged to read it and return it for the “hows that bit where” discussion that will no doubt ensue.

Meanwhile… the guy who wrote it was on drugs and it is only 80 pages long and it has taken me three nights to get half way through it. Woeful.

nossy says:

12:04pm | 20/10/11

@iansand good another reader - that makes at least two of us iansand - am currently reading David Hicks book “Guantanamo - my journey”  good read actually.

iansand says:

12:11pm | 20/10/11

Little Prince is lovely, for a kids’ book.  Try Night Flight.  He wrote that for grownups.

nihonin says:

01:29pm | 20/10/11

I quite like the Bourne series of books, Robert Ludlum may have passed on, but Eric Lustbader now writes the series.

John Smythe says:

02:00pm | 20/10/11

Eric Lustbader, formerly Van Lustbader?

The Ninja series was pretty cool too!

fairsfair says:

04:28pm | 20/10/11

I think it would have been interesting as a kid. It is apparently an adult book also (according to the blurb). He is currently flitting from planet to planet and has just had words with the lamp lighter.

I honestly don’t know if I can finish it.

The Great Gatsby is next on my list. I am trying to get some classics on to my book shelf.

iansand says:

05:03pm | 20/10/11

fairsfair - Then don’t finish it.  In fact I doubt the sanity of anyone who can draw any connection between Tequila Mockingbird and The Little Prince.  My guess is that they are the only two books they have read.  The only connection I can see is that they are both printed on paper.

NicoleG says:

08:23am | 20/10/11

nihonin, I’m tipping by the removal of our comments, we were incorrect. Sort of.

nossy says:

08:25am | 20/10/11

@nihonin   back to the golden 70’s you bewdy!  We love football, meat pies, kangaroos and holden cars!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Ic3RqPIJo

nihonin says:

08:46am | 20/10/11

NicoleG I think we may have been right, but not with the terminology mwahahaha, all good I did receive a lovely email from the Punch though.

Use to love that jingle nossy.

AdamC says:

09:30am | 20/10/11

That article’s title alone encapsulate the nature of the current government. I especially liked Sheridan’s description of the carbon tax as a ‘seventies reform’. He also, accurately, emphasised how reactionary union luddites are very much back in charge of the Labor policy agenda. Where are Labor’s Keatings and Hawkes of today? Have they all just given up and joined the Coalition?

Aitch B says:

09:35am | 20/10/11

Wow…. what a coincidence! I was listening to the main theme from “Back To The Future” in the car this morning.

On the way home I’ll be listening to “The Last Starfighter”.... awesome stuff!

Richard says:

10:39am | 20/10/11

Wow, I just read that op-ed by Shanahan in the Australian while having my morning tea, and I thought it was a pearler, thanks for bringing it up nihonin.

This article ties in nicely with the Sinodinos one underneath it (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/be-careful-kevin-what-goes-up-must-come-down/story-e6frgd0x-1226171066010), and stands in solidarity with the point I have been at pains to articulate here on the punch for over a year now, namely that our current government has an ideologically flawed view of economics.

This stems from Kevin Rudd. Now Kevin Rudd is a top class diplomat, no doubt; but he lacks fundamental understanding of the virtues of free-market economies. Slagging off as “neo-liberal economics”, he positions himself as a Keynesian Big-Government champion.

Now there are two orthodoxies in the economics fraternity. The Uni I study economics at adheres to Kevin Rudd’s favoured school. We even have text books written by Joe Stiglitz. But the objective fact is, if you look at recent history, its so clear that this school of economic thought is plain wrong.

Government deficits are BAD, sovereign debt is BAD, excessive regulation is BAD, militant unionism is BAD. Classical Liberal economics as per the writings of Freddy von Hayek are RIGHT, we can see this now.

It is so unfortunate for us all now that their are no Paul Keatings left in Labor anymore. There are no true economic thinkers in Labor, only either people who don’t care about economics, or people who have been brainwashed by the Stiglitz’ and the Krugman’s of the world to believe an economical ideology that in reality, is just plain WRONG.

AdamC says:

11:51am | 20/10/11

Richard, I agree. Kevin Rudd’s main constituents seemed to be bureaucrats and government planners. He was obsessed with big ideas, and big things - big projects like the NBN, big-spending programmes like the BER, and even big noting himself - and did not trust the free market to deliver prosperity to Australians. His absurd paper about economic policy made this quite clear.

I have no idea what Julia Gillard thinks about economic policy, or even whether she thinks about it at all.

Mark G says:

09:25am | 20/10/11

John smythe,

That doesnt fit to all of them. Disappointment suggests that you had faith in them in the first place. This isn’t the case with George W. Bush.

John Smythe says:

10:08am | 20/10/11

Well corrected Mark G!

Detriment? 

TimB says:

08:35am | 20/10/11

Come now Nossy, you were third! Ye don’t win if you come third!

(Unless of course you’re Bob Brown )

And such shameful pandering. For..uh..shame. Tsk.

nossy says:

09:36am | 20/10/11

@TimB - I thought it was a trio of winners Tim hhahha honestly would I lie to you fella? One bottle of Bollinger will do thanks Punch Team seeing how Tim caught me out. Off on my beach run.

LJ Dots says:

05:32pm | 20/10/11

@nossy, it was actually a crate of Rhinegold, but I’m be more than happy to share it with you. No no, I insist! 

nossy says:

06:26pm | 20/10/11

@LJ Dots   - well done Dotsy you were the “real” winner - I was caught out telling a porky by old eagle eye TimB   hahahah bastard!

SimonFromLakemba says:

08:39am | 20/10/11

You think they would have shot tranquilizers? instead of killing endangered species.

gobsmack says:

09:14am | 20/10/11

Yeah I thought that was sad.  The laws there regarding keeping exotic animals must be pretty lax.

redvixen says:

10:22am | 20/10/11

@Simon - Apparently they tried to use tranquilizers, but the tiger they shot got more aggressive.  Maybe they didn’t know the correct dose.  After all, I can’t imagine that “The Correct Dose of Tranquilier to Use on a Bengal Tiger” is one of the courses taught at the Zanesville, Ohio deputy school.

SimonFromLakemba says:

08:41am | 20/10/11

It wont belong before it implodes for him I think with people like Mirrabella, Hunt, Pyne and that other guy that stood down because of racist muslim comments.

Only thing saving him is that Labor is that bad at the moment.

nossy says:

08:43am | 20/10/11

OMG! I have been censored for the first time ever!  hahah I forgive you Punch.

fml says:

09:02am | 20/10/11

I vote for this.

Mark G says:

09:29am | 20/10/11

Jim,

A scapegoat implies that they were not responsible. I’m not sure if that hits it for all of them.

fairsfair says:

08:43am | 20/10/11

Some of your finest work there Nossy.

iansand says:

08:51am | 20/10/11

On the other hand, you guys get the traffic disruption and (one hopes) Sir David Flint’s yattering for a while.

nihonin says:

08:57am | 20/10/11

nossy, I’m willing to go out on a limb here and predict Qld will lose the SOO series next year, no Lockyer, no play maker.  Even though there will still be great players, I don’t think they’ll be able to galvanise the team like Locky could.

Ben C says:

09:40am | 20/10/11

Back off your NSW slagging, nossy. You’re not that far from the border anyway haha!

Davida says:

09:41am | 20/10/11

“I’m willing to go out on a limb here and predict Qld will lose the SOO series next year…”
I’ve long believed the world needs more optimists and dreamers.  Good work, @nihonin

nihonin says:

09:55am | 20/10/11

Optimist indeed, dreamer never, Davida.

Tim says:

09:57am | 20/10/11

Isn’t this like a double tragedy for QLD?

First the Floods and Cyclone and now the Queen.

NSW = Win Win.

TimB says:

10:42am | 20/10/11

I thought Nossy said the Queen *didn’t* want to be associated with a bunch of losers…So how do we explain the fact that the state is called Queensland? Poor Lizzie.

Maybe whilst she’s here, she can bring down a royal decree forcing a name change. So my fellow New South Welshmen, any suggestions as to what these annoying northerners should call themselves now?

Fran Smith says:

10:54am | 20/10/11

Why would the Queen want to visit NSW? There is nothing to see there besides low class bogans living in borrowed public housing. The most embarrassing state in the country. It’s no wonder that everyone is moving to Queensland and WA.

Ben C says:

11:06am | 20/10/11

@ TimB

Since we refer to the Victorians as Mexicans, how about Canada for Queensland?

@ nossy

Speaking of losers, the one in the picture attached to this piece is a Queenslander…

nihonin says:

11:19am | 20/10/11

‘any suggestions as to what these annoying northerners should call themselves now’

North Blighton and the inhabitants can call themselves Blighters mwahahaha

Knemon says:

10:01am | 20/10/11

An epiphany of sorts?

I’ve heard that he is standing for the ALP in the seat of Warringah at the next election.

SimonFromLakemba says:

10:07am | 20/10/11

You had to laugh when he said that throwing Gillard off into the ocean in a bag was an old farming analogy..lol

Guaranteed if you listened this his radio program this morning nothing would of changed.

LauraBoBaura says:

12:24pm | 20/10/11

‘You have to be very respectful of the office and on those occasions I most probably didn’t meet the standards of those who listen to the program but I assure you we always try to do that’

Um. What.

Was he drunk?

nossy says:

12:43pm | 20/10/11

@John Smythe - your right Smithy that is quite fascinating - amazing stuff.

nossy says:

12:19pm | 20/10/11

@fairsfair well said FF. Yes I myself have enjoyed the fruits of his labors up at Hamilton Island and of course as you mention Sea World. A real builder of dreams. RIP Keith Williams

SimonFromLakemba says:

10:11am | 20/10/11

Doesnt make much sense to me, China is where the money is.

I can understand the democracy angle, but not while China is chugging along at 9.3% growth.

iansand says:

12:18pm | 20/10/11

It is not meant to make sense.  It is meant to appeal to the viscera of “battlers” - the yellow peril RSL types who are opposed to dialogue with Vietnam.  Haven’t you worked out that “making sense” is not a necessary part of Abbott’s plan to get elected?

The fun bit of Abbott winning will be watching him disentangle himself from all his blurts.  He will make Juliar look like an amateur.  The potential entertainment value is almost enough to make me vote for him.

TimB says:

04:51pm | 20/10/11

Speaking of things not making sense…

iansand, how on earth can you make the claim that the idea is supposed to ‘appeal to yellow peril RSL’ types, when the alternative Tony puts forward is Japan.

Logic is your friend. Use it.

iansand says:

06:25pm | 20/10/11

Your error is assuming “Abbott” and “logic” can be used in the same sentence without a negative.

How do you explain the latest blurt (apart from Abbott’s instinctive yearning for the ‘60s).  I appreciate that the current Liberal playbook puts personal attack as the highest virtue, but people will get bored eventually.

TimB says:

07:37pm | 20/10/11

And your error is implying I used “Abbott” and “logic” in the same sentence.

As for Abbott’s explanation, it’s in Shane’s link. Perhaps you should read it.

It’s all very well if you don’t agree with his reasoning. Hell you might even have a valid point. Simon took a stab at one. You could try and make an attempt too.

But if instead you’d rather invent nonsensical and logically inconsistent reasons instead, be my guest.

neo says:

10:12am | 20/10/11

I wanna slap the people who listen to their ipods on trains, your mp3 player is shit, everybody knows that, no need to turn it to max volume. Learn to read or something.

Jase says:

10:45am | 20/10/11

Can I add, being constantly slow, having zero interest in what you are doing and appearing to be severely incompetent in most cases.

I remember complaining once about the time a particular project was taking a particular federal department. They were quick to respond that they were understaffed, when I mentioned it may be a good idea to hire more staff, they quickly responded “but we do not get enough funding from Canberra” . I then reminded them that I was paying them more than $100 for every hour which they spent on my project, how come they are so reliant on Canberra for funds? I just got a blank look and the individual scurried away.

neo says:

11:59am | 20/10/11

Agreed. Get this, I faxed through an application to get some documents last week, got a confirmation report that the fax was received on the other side, called up to chase it up this week and they have no record of it. I was told to email the application instead, which I did yesterday, asking for a confirmation of receipt and a due date for the return of documents. No response, I called up today again and they have no record of anything. Then I was told that if I really need something, I should walk to them in person and they will be able to pull up the documents in 5 minutes over the counter. When I asked to speak to someone who takes care of document control, I was told that no, they will not do this…. Now, that’s considering the application fee covers return postage to me… And the worst thing is I really do need the documents, so I had to send a clerk for them, the said clerk will have to wait in queue for anywhere between 10 minutes and an hour etc. etc.

And all this could have been avoided if people just did their freaking job, like the rest of us.

Dash says:

01:10pm | 20/10/11

Apparently twice - lol

fairsfair says:

03:56pm | 20/10/11

I know… wtf happened there? It told me it “could not accept my comment at this time”... and it did.

Fran Smith says:

11:13am | 20/10/11

@ Neo - if you were the parent of a 14 year old boy who had been raped, why wouldn’t you complain?

neo says:

12:04pm | 20/10/11

If I was the parent, I’d ask my son if he was cool with it and go from there. If he was, I’d hi5 him and give him a pack of condoms. Yeah, the girl isn’t that crash hot, but at 14, I probably still would

What I was getting at is a man in her shoes would not get away with a suspended sentence, not in a million years.

Markus says:

12:15pm | 20/10/11

“if I was one of the 14 year old boys, I wouldn’t complain too much”
Not until it burns to pee, at least…

Agree with Fran, I don’t think I’d be high-fiving my 12yo kid for having been liquored up and taken advantage of.

neo says:

12:57pm | 20/10/11

One says “liquored up and taken advantage of” another says “got pissed for free, and got sex too”.

It’s all perception isn’t it

OchreBunyip says:

04:56pm | 20/10/11

Boys are treated as disposable when it comes to sex crimes against them. I note no reference to the criminal being placed on a sex offenders register.

NicoleG says:

01:21pm | 20/10/11

OMG Jules! How are you after your heart opp? On the mend I hope. And looking after yourself too

JulesG says:

06:32pm | 20/10/11

Thanks Nicole . I’m on the mend but overdid it today - started decorating would you believe! Silly me, I should have just stayed on The Punch.

Anna C says:

10:53am | 20/10/11

I would have thought that ‘wanker’ would cover them all really.

Anubis says:

11:45am | 20/10/11

Not censorship just a glitch. When the show screened in Perth three hours later it screened without the blip

Shane From Melbourne says:

11:46am | 20/10/11

The men in black would like to speak to you…..

fairsfair says:

12:00pm | 20/10/11

It was just broadcast I think. I watched it (being QLD, an hour behind) and the test pattern came on (took me back to when the ABC used to close down at night) and it only lasted for about 2 seconds. I can’t tell you what he actually said, I can’t remember - but it didn’t seem to affect the delayed broadcast like it did when it first ran in NSW. I was watching the facebook feed and people were going off about conspiracy etc….

Markus says:

12:18pm | 20/10/11

Didn’t get a chance to see it, perhaps it was another case of being unable to use footage of the royal family for satirical/comedic purposes?

Thought the ABC would be well versed in those rules after their failed Chaser coverage of Prince William’s wedding.

fairsfair says:

01:10pm | 20/10/11

Speaking of the Chaser - just how bad is that new show of theirs? Unfunny.

TimB says:

12:18pm | 20/10/11

...Or steal anything that isn’t nailed down.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-biggest-dick-moves-in-history-online-gaming/

I’ve never played Eve, but reading the 2 stories on that list…wow. That just blows me away.

(Shout out to the Corrupted blood plague in WoW, gamers really are dicks )

Adam Diver says:

01:08pm | 20/10/11

@ TimB,

Thanks for the link, it was a great read, particularly the Second Life story

neo says:

01:18pm | 20/10/11

Thanks Tim, very entertaining read.

JC says:

01:24pm | 20/10/11

I haven’t played EVE in a while, I was your plain old delivery boy with my gigantic cargo ship .

Easiest way to play and also why I liked EVE, I didn’t have to be constantly focusing on it, just check in every 5-10 minutes and make a tonne of cash along the way :D

John Smythe says:

01:56pm | 20/10/11

OMFG that was brilliant!!!!!

Shane From Melbourne says:

02:18pm | 20/10/11

Thanks for the link TimB. Made my day.

John Smythe says:

11:33am | 20/10/11

Let’s give them Tasmania! And fill the Straits with sharks.

I vote +1 for this idea.

Shane From Melbourne says:

11:56am | 20/10/11

If they passed a law prohibiting lawyers I’d probably move there…....

neo says:

01:01pm | 20/10/11

Already being done, http://seasteading.org

Ben C says:

11:37am | 20/10/11

Failing that, I’m trying to find the word for “subject of ridicule”.

Ben C says:

11:39am | 20/10/11

“Laughing stock”

nossy says:

01:20pm | 20/10/11

@Ben C   hahahh give up Ben - you just want to join the circle of winners like my win yesterday in the “Caption Comp” - the Bollinger has just arrived - thanks Punch Team!

Ben C says:

01:57pm | 20/10/11

@ nossy

Check number 2 in the list of winners…

Let’s raise a glass of Bolly.

nossy says:

04:55pm | 20/10/11

@BenC - congrats Ben - we are all winners in Australia - Gillard has set a new benchmark that 1st past the post is not necssarily the winner - hence my claim to the trophy - just doing as I see Joolya do Ben!  hahaah

Dash says:

12:58pm | 20/10/11

So Gillard wont curtsey for the Queen, but she’ll quite happily bend over and drop her strides for Bob Brown, Rod Oakshott and Tony Windsor? (not that Bob Brown would know what to do).

There hasn’t been this level of disrespect since Paul Keating touched the Queen up! Shameful!

nossy says:

01:15pm | 20/10/11

@Dash - spot on dash - I will be most interested to see if our Labor Premier Anna Bligh has the decency to curtsy next Monday when QE2 visits Queensland - shameful if she doesnt- cringeworthy really!

Knemon says:

01:37pm | 20/10/11

@ nossy - Jules followed correct protocol nossy…Lizzy said that she will accept a curtsy or bow of the head, Jules took the head option.

Can you even start to imagine what it must be like in Lizzy’s shoes? She is continually followed around by some stupid old fart called Phil, she has to smile and shake hands with every suck-hole dignitary there is, screaming kids and their parents throwing flowers at your every turn, the media in your face at every move…....I greatly admire her resilience.

“I did but see her passing by, and yet I love her till I die.” (Thomas Ford)

palone says:

01:50pm | 20/10/11

If Gillard had curstied,(sic), to this ‘2nd longest reigning monarch’ you would have been screaming “Hypocrite!” at the top of your voice. Why should she, or me, or anyone be required to bow to another human being. Your new persona leaves a lot to be desired, Nossy.
Dash, I notice your lack of respect for our democratically elected P.M. has no bounds. What a foul-minded sad person you are. Are you stating that Gillard had sexual relations with the M.P.s you named? If so, have the courage to say so. Oh, I forgot. You’re an Abbott fan, aren’t you. No courage, just vehement filth and character assassination.
You are the whole problem of politics in Australia today, absolutely personified. A consummate Liberal!

Knemon says:

02:16pm | 20/10/11

@ Dash – Your disrespect for our pseudo leader is deplorable.

BTW - Bob looks the other way!

Dash says:

03:53pm | 20/10/11

OMG palone, take a chill pill!

No I am not saying that Gillard had sexual relations with those MPs. Bob Brown doesn’t do women for starters! The point I was making is that she was prepared to do anything for those MPs to win office. And she did. Now if you would like to talk about Mr married man Craig Emerson, feel free.

No I’m not an “Abbott fan”. I rarely get on here and blindly support him. But I do think very lowly of this ALP government and I have the courage to say so on this site quite often. I think they have continually over promised and under delivered. They have wasted tax payers money. They are a pack of raving socialist who punish the wealth creators and reward the wealth destroyers. They are too aligned to the union movement who represent less than 14% of Australian workers. They lied and bribed their way into office. Their carbon tax policy is a fraud, their government is delivering policy without the will of the people, they use tax payers money for propaganda, they do not accept responsibility for their actions and they have no plan to pay off the debt they have created!

Does being a connsumate ALP lover mean I get a credit card to abuse?

Any sign of the coast guard the ALP promised us palone? Any sign of the cheaper fuel, the citizens assembly, the 260 childcare centres, the cheaper groceries? An education revolution perhapps or root and branch tax reform? I tell you what, when the ALP manage to balance a budget, any budget, look me up! How was the last GetUp rally palone? Work out how to spend the $1.3m the unions handed you this year?

@Knemon - you earn respect. You don’t just get it because Paul Howes says you should!

ibast says:

12:51pm | 20/10/11

Knew the tele was going over to pay and thought, “good”.  Suspected the Australian would.  It will be disappointing if the Punch goes too.

I certainly won’t be paying to read Murdock’s opinion and manipulation of the world.

Adam Diver says:

03:09pm | 20/10/11

After your comment ibast, a paywall doesn’t sound that bad an idea

John Smythe says:

03:55pm | 20/10/11

don’t think I will ever get back to that…..I do miss my necro from EQ though….the game has changed too much now for the original enjoyment factor.

Dash says:

06:35am | 21/10/11

Maybe Palone, but at least I’m capable of posting a reply in the right place! What was that you were saying about ignorance?