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    • ronny jonny says:

      06:00am | 13/12/12

      Chinas’ NBN, 10 times the dwellings served at 1/3 of the cost of ours. Gold plating? Standard Labour ineptitude when spending our money?

    • Gregg says:

      06:48am | 13/12/12

      Seeing as China has quite a few high density cities, even at least one with more than Australia’s total population, that is not too difficult to imagine, especially when there are so many apartment blocks and if you think of a city of apartment blocks it is not going to be too much cable to be run.

      Australians always fail to appreciate the population and distribution of it when comparing ourselves to abroad and determining what might be a good idea or not.
      You only have to look at the mediocre digital TV and continued pressing for VFTs to see other examples.

    • Knemon says:

      07:38am | 13/12/12

      Here’s an idea ronny, pay Australian NBN workers the same wages as the Chinese, that would save some money.

      I’m surprised that the Chinese, being as smart as they are, would want to replace their existing copper wire network with a fibre-to-the-home, they could have saved even more money with the Australian conservatives idea of FTTN and more reliance on Wi-Fi, even better, two tin cans and a length of string, Turnbull, Abbott and their fellow Luddites would be more than happy with that!

      replace the existing copper wire network that serves the nation’s 150 million households with internet access with a fibre-to-the-home

    • ronny jonny says:

      08:03am | 13/12/12

      I’m sure there are economy of scale issues and wages paid to workers wouldn’t be anything like what we pay here but 10 times the connections for 1/3rd the cost? The joke is on us. Again.

    • Gregg says:

      08:22am | 13/12/12

      @rj
      “The joke is on us. Again.”
      Nope, joke on the dope, still! .

    • andye says:

      10:46am | 13/12/12

      @ronny jonny - What is so sad here is that the answer is obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of the technology and the difference between the two implementations. We need the NBN because of our unique problems. Problems China certainly does not have, like low population density.

      As for “labor Ineptitude”, they aren’t spending the money. They are investing the money in NBN Corp. NBN Corp is motivated to get to profit as soon as possible and must pay back the government. In our messed up environment it actually works and is a vast improvement over the Telstra monopoly/conflict of interest.

    • Phillip Rogers says:

      10:59am | 13/12/12

      Don’t forget that Shanghai has almost 20 million people in an area about as big as Melbourne.

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:33pm | 13/12/12

      I knew it LOL! Picked it like a broken nose! As soon as the anti-NBN claptrap from the Australian pokes its nose out one of the shill accounts comes a’scurryin over to parrot it here at the Punch!

      You didn’t stop to think for a second that, as per usual, The Australian once again does not break down labor costs, distances, technologies used, population densities etc etc etc etc This is jsut par for the course for the editorial opinion pieces they publish that have very little actual technical detail in them, for a reason usually.

      AGAIN - I might add. They’ve been doing almsot weekly it since the day before the last election.

      But lack of technical facts, details etc doesn’t stop them, no sir-ee wink

      I just love seeing the EXACT SAME people parroting this crap without a single thought of their own - you restore my faith in humanity people that the more things change the more things stay the same wink

    • Mouse says:

      01:16pm | 13/12/12

      Gregg, is that anything like soap-on-a-rope?  hehehehe   :o)

    • tez says:

      02:43pm | 13/12/12

      Can’t imagine you digging holes for Chinese wages ron jon

    • Alex P says:

      06:08am | 13/12/12

      As a proud Labor member for 23 years, Im not sure the defence of Slipper as a honorable man and talk about him going back to the role of Speaker is so wise for this great party. We all know Abbott, etc will do whatever he can to twist his way into the top job but I think we as a party might need 12 degrees of separation from Slipper into 2013. I am not picking up much sympathy from the Australian voting public for him or us on this one even after his case being dismissed in court. It might be a grave error for the Labor frontbenchers to defend him too much. Just my 20 cents worth today

    • Gregg says:

      06:56am | 13/12/12

      I reckon Labor will be on safe enough ground Alex for I doubt there is too much sympathy for Slipper or that Gillard would even consider offering him anything at all and especially not the speakers position again unless she was absolutely desperate to get numbers behind something and it would have to be extreme desperation, even on her part and far more than what even Tony Abbott would do given the reasons for Slipper deciding with some nudging that he had to go.

      It was afterall the nature of some texting that gave an insight into his thoughts about women that brought about his resignation, even if Gillard and all Labor female and male MPs as well as a couple of independents were unable to bring themselves to openly condemn it in parliament, a pure example of twisting you could not ask better of.

    • ibast says:

      07:07am | 13/12/12

      Yeah Labor is walking a knife edge with this one.  Trying to gain political mileage over the opposition, without aligning themselves directly with Slipper.  Dangerous game they are playing.

    • Thomas says:

      07:44am | 13/12/12

      I haven’t heard anyone except journalists even suggest that he get his job back, and I’m not sure how that would work anyway. The ALP doesn’t need to do anything. The judge’s ruling has exposed what everyone already knew.

      Will Slipper now take down those who conspired against him? If it were me, I’d sue them for every cent they have.

    • Gregg says:

      08:25am | 13/12/12

      @Thomas
      Fist of all there would have to be some who conspired against him!
      Do you mean Roxon in supporting Asby with a cash payout?

      I am not too sure the matter of travel expenses is yet fully resolved either so he might just want to let sleeping dogs rest.

    • Thomas says:

      09:32am | 13/12/12

      @Greg
      Read the ruling, Greg. It clearly names those who conspired against him.

    • ibast says:

      10:23am | 13/12/12

      Haven’t read the ruling, but from what I heard, it sounded like the judge was giving his approval for proceeding with a defamation suite.

      I also don’t think this will change much in the minds of the electorate.  Even though the LNP tried to undermine democracy, with all the mud slinging going on, it’s not going to be heard above all else.  15 years ago it may have been a big deal, but not now.

    • Rolls Canardly says:

      10:36am | 13/12/12

      A proud Labor member… Seriously mate, after all that’s gone on in NSW, and with the unions frittering away the money of the most lowly paid members of the Australian workforce, and Federal Labor helping thyem to do it and not get caught, how can you say that?
      I am truly embarrassed for you.
       
      Slipper won’t get his job back. You know why?
      He’s doing a Thommo, by claiming that a court process he relied on the get the complaint dismissed, has in some way meant he didn’t do it.
      The transcripts of the text messages indicate perfectly what sort of a bloke Slipper is, and Labor (for all of their gross ineptitude, would never stick their necks out for him again.
      It was bad enough the first time.
       
      And I wonder just why the commonwealth sought to pay Ashby $50k if they (and all their expensive lawyers that WE paid for) didn’t think Slipper was acting the model employer?

    • Chris L says:

      12:00pm | 13/12/12

      @Rolls - You tend to lose the highground to criticise a Labor supporter when you’re an unquestioning supporter of the equally suspect Liberal party.

    • Rolls Canardly says:

      01:20pm | 13/12/12

      Making a few grand assumptions there, Christopher. Typical.
      Not a Lib supporter. Certainly am not a member, and am not claiming any high ground.
       
      And where do you see the Liberals going around spending their supporters money on hookers, slush funds, and dodgy property deals?
      Got any evidence of that, or are you just another barracker who can’t bear to hear a few home truths about the party for the mugs, and the deluded?

    • Chris L says:

      02:00pm | 13/12/12

      @Rolls - Not a Liberal supporter, but you don’t recognise them doing anything dodgy like pushing politically motivated law suits, using forged emails in an attempt to remove the prime minister, lying about the reasons for project cancellations.

      There’s more evidence for those allegations than the ones you brought up.

      You might assume I’m a “barracker” (typical) but I acknowledged in my previous comment that I consider both parties equally suspect. It would seem your definition of a barracker is anyone who doesn’t favour the Liberal party or, at least, despise the Labor party.

      I only raised this point in response to your tirade against Alex, just because he identifies as a Labor voter.

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      02:11pm | 13/12/12

      You can’t pull the wool over our eyes that easy Rolls. I can’t actually remember seeing anything from you down the line, its all been anti-Labor or anti-left really.

      Both the parties are as crap as one another at the moment. If you want dodgy look at the Howard Government but that would require you to be non partisan wink

      Once the Libs get in they’ll have a few scandals of their own, the political wheel as such.

    • tez says:

      02:47pm | 13/12/12

      No way Slipper will ever be considered for anything ever again by anybody totaly damaged goods that was well and truley seen too.

    • gobsmack says:

      06:43am | 13/12/12

      There seemed to be a lot of confusion (especially amongst LNP supporters) about the Slipper case, in particular, why the judge placed particular importance on the motivations of Ashby in bringing the action.  The argument ran that if sexual harassment did in fact take place, the judgment should have gone against Slipper.

      What these comments overlook is the degree of subjectivity that applies to whether sexual harassment has occurred.  Section 28A of the Sex Discrimination Act defines sexual harassment as “an unwelcome” advance or conduct and states that the circumstances that are to be taken into account in deciding whether these would offend, humiliate or intimidate the recipient include the relationship between the person “harassed” and the person making the advance or engaging in the conduct.

      A simple example:

      You have a good female friend at work with whom you have been sharing risque emails and ribald jokes for a number of years.

      You get a promotion over her and having an acrimonious falling out.  She suddenly resurrects those emails and puts in a sexual harassment claim against you.

      Is that sexual harassment?  Are her motivations irrelevant?

    • Gregg says:

      07:08am | 13/12/12

      It is a long stretch of the bow to look at that as a parallel example gobsmack.
      First off, Asby was never in a position where Slipper would get a promotion over him.
      We are in deed talking of the judgement by just one person and that person has considered motivation and not the harassment at all.

      Another person might take the view that Asby was in fact feeling under some pressure given the position Slipper held.
      For example, if you were in his shoes and the Speaker of our federal parliament was making lewd suggestions to you, how would you respond?
      There would be all sorts of scenarios going around in my head and anongst them is anybody going to believe me unless I do have evidence like texts and then what would Labor MPs suggest for there could be those who would want anything like that all hushed up.
      If I recall correctly, it is alleged that some Labor ministers were aware of the texts well before they became public and if no support had been offered, that would also be spinning me out.

      Who else can I go to seek some advice and that is likely where Mal Brough comes in and so the never ending story continues.
      I have absolutely no confusion in my mind and with a different judge there could well be an entirely different result.

    • Keith says:

      07:49am | 13/12/12

      Which part of the ruling is wrong, Greg? Why would another judge make a different ruling?

    • TChong says:

      07:51am | 13/12/12

      gregg
      very murky , and somewhat perilous when the punters start second guessing judges.
      Your argument may be correct, equally, another judge could have delivered the exact same conclusions.
      Pollies and their gormless staffers, from all sides are fair game, all agree.
      But, once claims of judicial bias are raised ( as we saw here , at Punch
      yesterday ) , then where does it stop ?
      ( BTW - not dissing your posts,.)

    • gobsmack says:

      07:54am | 13/12/12

      @Gregg
      I assume from your comments that you haven’t actually read the judgment.

    • iansand says:

      07:57am | 13/12/12

      Gregg - Read the judgment.  This person, the victim of psychologically debilitating harassment, tried to organise a trip to Hungary with the alleged harasser after the harassment occurred.  He even offered to pay his own way. 

      If you read the texts on which Rares J relied, you would be in no doubt that Ashby was more than capable of looking after his own interests - a conclusion to which Rares J came.  For some reason those texts received no publicity before or during the hearing, probably because the journalists were too thick to understand their potential significance.

    • Aghast says:

      08:06am | 13/12/12

      The courts are a place where JUSTICE is dispensed.They are not a venue to be used for political exploitation.When you consider that during the time Ashby was claiming to be sexually harassed (March 2012) he was angling an overseas trip accompanying Slipper… Well he simply blew his credibility out the window.Requesting to be in the company of a man who you fear as a sexual predator defies logic.
      So if his own actions show that he is willing to be in Slippers company   what motivates Ashby to take this action??Money…revenge…gaining favour that can realise future career advancement.Only Ashby knows the answer.But from the Judges position it certainly is not JUSTICE. And Justice is the courts business not political skullduggery.Thrown out and rightfully so.
      Ashby may well be a victim of his own ambition.He is certainly a victim of politically motivated manipulation.He will doubtless be hung out to dry if he ever calls in whatever incentive were on offer.

    • Gregg says:

      08:36am | 13/12/12

      @Keith,
      I am not judging the judgement but different judges do make different rulings in all sorts of cases, just as some as Chongy suggests can come to the sane conclusion.
      There are numerous examples in the justice system of people lodging appeals, some successful, some not and even successful ones again being overturned by a higher court again.

      Look at the Lindy Chamberlain case and how many hearings/appeals and years that saga played out for.

      As for what the judge made his ruling on, there is certainly conflicting information and whether you have a jury or solitary judge, that is what the role of the justice system is for.
      The premise of my judgement on Gobsmack’s post is his example given is very weak as far as being a parallel.

    • Stephen T says:

      08:47am | 13/12/12

      @Greg: I’ve not followed the case, but reviewing the judgement and based on the evidence presented it was a fair decision.  To my mind the texts that resulted in Slipper stepping down from the Speakers role and Ashby’s allegations are two separate matters, the first was conduct unbecoming the Speaker the second was his conduct relating to an employee.  He has paid the price for the first and has been acquitted of the second so in all fairness perhaps its time to grant him a modicum of peace.

    • gobsmack says:

      09:06am | 13/12/12

      @Gregg
      The point of my email was to explain that sexual harassment is not a purely objective thing and that the subjective circumstances are relevant.

      I used a simple example to try to get that point across.

      When Slipper complained to Ashby about compaigning for the Libs at the Qld state election, Ashby basically told him to get stuffed.  Hardly the actions of someone awestruck by the Speaker.

      Facts such as the above are contained in the judgment if you care to read it.

    • Tim says:

      09:16am | 13/12/12

      Gregg,
      Any reasonable person who’s read the judgement could only come to the conclusion that the judge made the correct decision.

      The behaviour by Ashby (and others) was not that of a person suffering from sexual harrassment.

      The direct quoted text messages from Ashby show what the matter was really about.

    • Keith says:

      09:36am | 13/12/12

      What exactly is this “conflicting information” you claim there “certainly is”, Greg?

    • Philosopher says:

      09:46am | 13/12/12

      @Gobsmack: maybe your ‘friend’ (nod nod, wink wink) should be toning down the sexytalk with his female colleague, if your ‘friend’ is so worried. Women are capricious creatures, and no man can truly fathom how they think.

    • Ando says:

      09:58am | 13/12/12

      Labor replacing Jenkins with Slipper was a political move. Ashby and friends going after Slipper was political.
      More proof that the current lot of politicians are a disgrace.

    • AdamC says:

      10:10am | 13/12/12

      My earlier comment on this got eaten up.

      However, suffice to say I think gobsmack’s characterisation of the judge’s decision, along with his analogy, are pretty spot on.

      (Caveat, I did pub trivia last night rather than read the full judgement in detail, so my understanding of it remains ‘mediated’ by press coverage.)

    • andye says:

      10:49am | 13/12/12

      @Gregg - It is amusing that you clearly haven’t read the judgement which specifically addresses the areas you are speculating about.

    • Expat Ozzie says:

      11:20am | 13/12/12

      @Gregg: “considered motivation and not the harassment at all.”

      Yes he did consider the harassment and found there was none. Read the judgement with out bias.

      @AdamC: I agree with you gobsmack is spot on with the analogy.

      I love pub trivia by the way. Good excuse for a nice cold beer and seeing what crazy facts you’ve accumulated over time or the lack thereof as the case maybe.

    • Gregg says:

      11:59am | 13/12/12

      @ Keith again,
      ” What exactly is this “conflicting information” you claim there “certainly is”, Greg? “
      Pretty simple stuff Keith, even more so than Gobsmacks example, like
      You have a court case between two people, one claims one thing and the other another, the information usually conflicting.
      A judge in this case hears the claims and looks at supporting evidence and has come to his conclusion, his conclusion alone, except I suspect for all the Slipper/Labor supporters.

    • Keith says:

      01:53pm | 13/12/12

      So what exactly is this “conflicting information” you claim there “certainly is”, Greg? Which part of the ruling is wrong? You have actually read the ruling, haven’t you?

    • tif says:

      07:07am | 13/12/12

      We are such idiots in the West supporting the likes of the Syrian resistance. They had a Syrian fighter on the BBC saying he wanted Syria to be a pure Islamic state. When questioned further as to his meaning, he said “everyone must be of the true faith, Christians must convert, leave the country or be killed”. And we get the leader of the free west Obama supporting this uprising by fundamaentalists.

    • Gregg says:

      07:43am | 13/12/12

      Yes, I was somewhat floored to hear Obama come out and state the US recognised some Free Syria lot as the only legitimate representative of Syria, like which Free Syrias Lot and just how did they come by that selection you wonder, CIA operatives on the ground?

      The place must be in such a mess, no one country nor even the UN with in and out observers could really have a handle on what is going on.
      Sure, the government there is using a heap of force but if we had an uprising in Australia that turned towards civil war, I imagine there would be a lot of force and brutality in use here too.

      Seeing that the likes of Egypt, Tunisia and Libya are all still not what you would call settled places and many different voices clamouring for whatever they clamour for, most because nothing too much has changed by way of employment and poverty, at least Syria when it had a government in full control was probably not such a bad place for most people.

      I wonder how long it will be before Gillard and Carr come out on the coat tails?

    • Aghast says:

      08:24am | 13/12/12

      Egypt and Libya both have a heavy presence of Islamic fundamentalist and their Arab Springs were Obama supported.There will be some murky US self interest involved.My bet is a promise to deny the present Russian Mediterranean naval base that exists under the current regime in Syria.
      That will come a hugh cost to US foreign aid programme that the US will fund with borrowings from China who will benefit from the action overall in a win win situation for China who have clean hands through the whole regime change process.

    • ibast says:

      08:42am | 13/12/12

      Egypt could go either way too.

      But the US doesn’t have a good track record on this.  They financed the Taliban after all.

    • Baloo says:

      10:40am | 13/12/12

      @ ibast
      You’d think they would learn from there mistakes haha.

      I heard a while back from a doctor over there, that most of the injured resistance fighters that he is looking after, aren’t even from Syria.

    • sunny says:

      11:01am | 13/12/12

      If memory serves me correctly, in the presidential debates Romney was all for arming the Syrian rebels, Obama was against sending them arms due to the possibility those weapons might one day be used against the US. Seems like Obama has learned from history but the Republicans are hell bent on repeating it.

    • Gregg says:

      07:11am | 13/12/12

      Ain’t those origami critters cute and all with a bit of towelling, much better towelling than than many we hear about deserve.

    • hammy says:

      07:37am | 13/12/12

      Bob Carr fancies himself in a leadership challenge.

    • Knemon says:

      08:41am | 13/12/12

      He will have to find and win a lower house seat first hammy!

    • Robin says:

      08:48am | 13/12/12

      hahahahahaha   You made my day hammy, thanks for the giggle

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      08:59am | 13/12/12

      Think I’d fancy Bob more in the back of a Barina hatch after a hit of crystal meth and a Subway 6-inch pizza sub.

    • hammy says:

      09:10am | 13/12/12

      Right and politicians are never gifted lower house seats…

    • Knemon says:

      10:44am | 13/12/12

      “Right and politicians are never gifted lower house seats…”

      @hammy - In the current political climate, which seat would you suggest is an ALP gift seat? Considering that there is a chance of current ALP ministers losing their seats at the next election, I believe you would struggle to nominate a gifted seat, unless of course you’re referring to the seat of Lalor?

    • PJ says:

      01:00pm | 13/12/12

      .... maybe he does.

      We all know the Labor Party is split into fractions that contain some dangerous thinkers, like those who would ban “Mate” or terms of affection we use for our loved ones, and to be friendly.

      But I was still surprised to read about Carr making phone calls behind Gillards back to remove her support for Israel.

      Maybe the culture in the ALP is to operate ‘behind your back’, if you consider what happened to Rudd for example.

    • Mouse says:

      01:26pm | 13/12/12

      SmokeCrack-WorshipSatan, if I read your post correctly, you really worry me!!  It should take a lot more than just 1 hit of meth and a Subway 6” to even get in a car with Carr, let alone the backseat!!  LOL ;oD

    • sunny says:

      08:22am | 13/12/12

      Gotta say I’m feeling kinda chuffed for making the Nosebleed section. Does this mean that I’m a Nosebleed Laureate and won the Nosebleed Prize For Literature? Should I make a speech?

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      08:57am | 13/12/12

      Should I make a speech?

      You just did….

    • sunny says:

      09:38am | 13/12/12

      oh yeah you’re right. There’s gonna be a lot of people pissed that I didn’t thank them in my speech.

    • Baloo says:

      10:58am | 13/12/12

      Whats with the name change “satan”?

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      12:12pm | 13/12/12

      Some asshole has been hijacking the other one. Thought I’d go for something a little less likely to be “borrowed”.

      New Name.
      Same Old Tasteful Comments We’ve Come To Know And Love.

      Smoke Crack - Worship Satan ®

      Go on, you know you want to….

    • PJ says:

      01:04pm | 13/12/12

      I’d keep stum if I were you.

      You don’t want to come out with any more Socialist Left nonsense after graduating to the loony tunes section.

      No more chat about banning ‘Mate’ or ‘Dal,’ or ‘Mum’ because it demeans women and is sexist.

    • Mouse says:

      01:32pm | 13/12/12

      sunny, I kinda got all teary when I saw your upcommance in the Nosebleed section!  You have certainly come a long way and make me proud to be a knower. 
      sunny, my hero…......*sigh*  ;o)

    • PJ says:

      01:58pm | 13/12/12

      Sunny

      maybe you need a break. PErhaps instead of visiting th ePunch site you should settle down with a good read instead.

      May I suggest Two cracking reads recent releases from the ALP:
      - Lindsay Tanners book - Labor are clueless, lack vision and purpose.
      - Maxine McKew’s book - Julia Gillard is not a nice person.

    • LJ Dots says:

      02:14pm | 13/12/12

      Man, this is just gonna kill my friends.

      I knew and read sunny prose way back before he became mainstream.  ;o)

    • PJ says:

      05:04pm | 13/12/12

      Lets hope it doesn’t effect his book sales: ” How I was sucked in by Gillard Government Spin”

    • sunny says:

      05:31pm | 13/12/12

      Mouse - if I had my speech all over again you would be the first one thanked smile

      PJ - I don’t need to read Mad Maxine or Lackluster Lindsay because I’m sure you’ll blurt the entire contents of those books out on this blog anyway. You really should take a break, it can’t be healthy writing all those verbose posts every day smile

      LJ Dots - Autographed ‘sunny’ t-shirt and baseball cap coming your way, and a free copy of my next book (or should I say first book, which I haven’t yet started).

    • Elphaba says:

      09:14am | 13/12/12

      Agreed, the pariah antics are getting a bit old.  I didn’t agree with his cause in the first place, but now, he’s just annoying.

      he did the wrong thing.  And he probably won’t get a fair trial.  But he should have thought about that first…

    • Tim says:

      10:36am | 13/12/12

      Elphaba,
      “he did the wrong thing.  And he probably won’t get a fair trial.  But he should have thought about that first… “

      What?

      So someone who is facing trumped up charges and is unlikely to get a fair trial should just hand themselves in?

      What about justice?

      The whole Wikileaks cause is retarded but the machinations to try and “get” him are a complete disgrace.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:43am | 13/12/12

      @Tim - he messed with the wrong people and now they’ve got it in for him.  He HAD to have known that something like this would happen.

      I think it’s gone on long enough.  The world is well aware of what is going on.  It might be time to face his accusers.  I know, I know, it’s unpopular, but I’m sick to death of him whining like he’s God’s gift to freedom of information.  Patience and sympathy only go so far, and I personally, am out of both.

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:40pm | 13/12/12

      “So someone who is facing trumped up charges and is unlikely to get a fair trial should just hand themselves in?”

      How do you know he is ‘unlikely to get a fair trial”?? Ar eyou an expert in Swedish Law? Do the Swedes historically have a poor judicial history? Is Swedish Law somehow vastly inferior to any other modern democratic nation??

      Could you please explain it to us Tim citing yoru vast knowledge of the Swedish judicial system and a few relevant factual examples would be nice as well.

      I await your reply.

    • Tim says:

      01:22pm | 13/12/12

      The Real Dave,
      I was simply quoting Elphaba’s reference to him probably not getting a fair trial. Perhaps you should direct your questions to her?

      I have no personal opinion as to whether he will get a fair trial but in my opinion there’s been a lot of political involvement behind the scenes which doesn’t help.

      Also my opinion is most definitely that what he has been accused of is completely ridiculous. Anyone that’s read the news stories about the events surrounding the whole episode must have serious questions regarding the motives behind his accusers and the accuracy of their statements.

    • marley says:

      01:54pm | 13/12/12

      @Tim - well, but look, Assange took his case through three levels of the British judicial system, and lost at all three levels.  He’s had his day in the British courts, and those courts determined that the offences of which he’s been accused are sufficiently serious to warrant extradition.

      Now whether the accusations are trumped up or not I wouldn’t care to say - but surely, at this point, justice requires that he return to Sweden to face his accusers.  They too have rights, after all.

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:10pm | 13/12/12

      If you read news stories quoting and referencing his defence team then yes - it appears ridiculous…..but thats their job isn’t it?

      I saw the SBS News Presenter absolutely destroy the shiela on his legal team one morning, some of the best TV news I have ever watched. He made her look like an absolute goose.

      Any defence that relies on and bollocks about the US kidnapping him is just that - absolutle bollocks. And thats what his defence team is being paid to do - and its working for some people who have made the decision to not think for themselves.

      Much like LNP policies you have to ‘take it on faith’ that the claims of Assanges defence team are credible because their is absolutley zero actual evidence they actually exist wink

    • Hamish says:

      02:22pm | 13/12/12

      Tim, as you well know, the fact you may think a law is ridiculous is no excuse for breaking it. For such a narcissist, I’m surprised Assange hasn’t handed himself in yet, at least it would get the media interested again.

    • tez says:

      02:54pm | 13/12/12

      Yes have to agree getting very sick of it but still don’t think he will get a fair hearing.

    • Tim says:

      03:01pm | 13/12/12

      Marley,
      I’ve got no problem with what happened in the British courts, they did their job exactly as they’re supposed to, I just understand the actions that Assange has taken in trying to avoid the extradition.

      The Real Dave,
      no I’m talking about the news stories and opinion pieces before he even had a legal team. The apparently agreed facts that were presented seem to me on the face of them to suggest that he doesn’t have a case to answer and there are other motives at play.
      But Hell, maybe he does have a case to answer and they’ll be tested in court, I just think the whole thing smells.

    • marley says:

      06:00pm | 13/12/12

      @Tim - of course it smells.  I just think the odour coming from Assange is getting pretty pungent too.  What ever happened to standing up for what you believe in, and facing the consequences, even if it means a jail term?  Let’s just say, Julian is no Gandhi or Mandela.

    • Dash says:

      08:42am | 13/12/12

      On my mind today is why unsubstantated accusations about the sexuality of Tony Abbott and unfounded character assassinations of him are allowed to be posted here on the Punch. Yet, simple undisputed truths about the Prime Ministers past are constantly censored.

      The Punch moderation is starting to smell bad! Is there a political agenda here? Or is the editor running scared of the government?

      I notice one of the Punch team is following a significant number of ALP members on twitter. Perhaps that highlights the issue?

      The truth should not be censored! And the truth should not be confused with defamatory accusations. Defamation by definition is a deliberately false accusation aimed at harming an individual. If someone posts an undisputed fact, why the need to censor it. Particularly with the load of crap that’s let through.

      It would appear that sensationism and feminism seem to get preference on this site over the truth.

      The way this place is going, unless you support the government, you can’t discuss anything but the weather here.

    • iansand says:

      09:09am | 13/12/12

      No Dash.  The problem is just that you have become boring.

    • hammy says:

      09:18am | 13/12/12

      You can’t make basic statements about Labor without being censored.  I tried five times yesterday to ask why Labor paid out Ashby $50,000 and it was censored four times.  That the author mentioned it in his article…was apparently not part of the consideration.

      The Punch is fast becoming as transparent as GetUp!

    • Colin says:

      09:35am | 13/12/12

      @ Dash

      “...you can’t discuss anything but the weather here. ...”

      And heaven forbid if that weather discussion branch out to be one on climate..!

    • Philosopher says:

      09:51am | 13/12/12

      Abbott was pretty keen for everyone to see his equipment. And by that I don’t mean his firefighting gear.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      10:07am | 13/12/12

      Let me guess? What you said yesterday? And the day before that . . . and the day before that . . . and the day before that . . .

    • PsychoHyena says:

      10:27am | 13/12/12

      @Dash, oh thank God for that, for a minute I was worrying about all the anti-Govt comments you and PJ were making, but obviously they’re pro-Govt.

      Get a life, for a CFO you spend an awful lot of time doing nothing.

    • Anon says:

      10:32am | 13/12/12

      @Dash

      Iansand is right. The moderators should not approve tedious comments.

      If you want an unmoderated site, go and post your comments on 4chan.

    • Philosopher says:

      10:38am | 13/12/12

      Dash, could you explicate, in a monograph form, the various charges and claims of malfeasance that the PM is facing, to whit, unions slush funds? I would love some exciting reading over the weekend. The more exclamation marks the better!

    • Knemon says:

      10:38am | 13/12/12

      “undisputed truths about the Prime Ministers past”

      According to who Dash? Senator Brandis?

    • andye says:

      10:51am | 13/12/12

      @Dash - Oh stop whining. Lots of my posts don’t get posted and last time I checked I was a filthy lefty.

    • Tim says:

      11:00am | 13/12/12

      Dash,
      it’s probably because your undisputed facts are no such thing?

      Just a thought.

      Honestly, anyone who thinks this site has a moderation bias towards Labor is delusional.

      The amount of complete drivel and false statements posted about both sides of politics constantly should cure anyone of such thoughts.

      The partisan and extremist always sees bias against them but they never seem to do any introspection about why that might be so.

    • hammy says:

      11:00am | 13/12/12

      PsychoHyena,

      So you can only make pro government statements?  Is it still a Democracy under those circumstances?

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      11:06am | 13/12/12

      Oh that ain’t nothing Dash.

      You should try doing Simpsons/ Futurama suicide quotes when a few DJ’s make prank calls that backfire….

    • Dash says:

      11:22am | 13/12/12

      I guess that makes two of us Psycho - LOL

    • Tim says:

      12:20pm | 13/12/12

      Although the one thing that they do allow too much of on this site is multiple aliases.

      Isn’t that right Subotic?

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:45pm | 13/12/12

      Yes, this the one and only News Limited site on the planet that is leaning towards a Left of Centre government…..

      Why is it, that if LNP shills can’t get their own way, no matter how much unsubstantiated crap and just plain old made up bollocks they spew forth, on a daily basis, over and over and over again - they cry foul if they can’t get their own way??

      I know we joke around with the whole ‘Born to Rule’ thing…but come on….even kids wake up to themselves after a while and move onto other things.

      I guess kids are smarter than CFO’s nowadays wink

    • Dash says:

      12:46pm | 13/12/12

      May I refer everybody to the post which was deleted below! I rest my case!

      Everyone who read that knows that it was nothing but a simple statement of truth. No swearing, nothing rude, nothing sexist, nothing racist, nothing defamatory. Nothing but a truthful statement. And yet it’s now been deleted!

      Dear Tory, please tell us all why.

      It’s a sad day when thePunch provides preference to crap over the truth.

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      12:54pm | 13/12/12

      Although the one thing that they do allow too much of on this site is multiple aliases.

      Only if you use more than 1 at the same time.

      My other name got hijacked by some asshole yesterday, so I’ve dumped it and taken on a much more exciting screen name.

      New Name.
      Same Old Tasteful Comments We’ve Come To Know And Love.

    • marley says:

      01:01pm | 13/12/12

      @Tim - to be fair, Satan has explained his name change - his was hijacked.  I’m still waiting for the ones who change names twice in the same article to explain themselves.

    • DJ says:

      01:13pm | 13/12/12

      @Dash - not suprised the editors deleted it you were making accusations that are slanderous - it will not be you being sued but them.

      Maybe you should post your real name and the company you are CFO for and make the same statement.

    • Dash says:

      01:18pm | 13/12/12

      @TheRealDave - sticks and stones. I’ll pass on your assessment to the university and professional accounting body. Well done. - lol

    • pa_kelvin says:

      01:57pm | 13/12/12

      I see Dash has come out of his self proclaimed exile… Why ?? when we know what is going to be posted…......

    • Dash says:

      02:05pm | 13/12/12

      DJ - no I wasn’t! There was no accusation. Are you disputing it? Your previous comments suggest otherwise.

      The point I made is fact.

      Calling Abbott a misogynist or a Mad Monk is slander. It is something which has been made up with the distinct purpose to hurt an individual. To remind people of something which someone did in the past, is never and will never be slander or defamation.

      I admit that i have been a bore and a pain in the arse and will gladly desist. But I’m on my high horse over this matter because it highlights a glaring double standard.

      I have asked for a personal explanation which I’m sure I will get.

      I will not post it again. But in fairness, DJ you know as well as I do that the matter I raised is neither an accusation nor defamatory.

      If Tory explains that they are just being cautious then OK I accept the point.

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:14pm | 13/12/12

      @Dash - Good! They need a shake up!

      wink

    • gobsmack says:

      02:21pm | 13/12/12

      @Dash

      “May I refer everybody to the post which was deleted below! I rest my case!”

      It’s hard to refer to a post that ain’t there anymore.

      That aside, I did have the chance to read the post before it was deleted.  Yet another exercise by you in character assassination.

      If, in a moment of impotent rage, I had the misjudgement to attempt to land such a low blow as that post, I would be very grateful to the moderators for erasing from the record the evidence of my foolishness.

      The only person you’re making look bad is yourself.

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:25pm | 13/12/12

      You can raise what someone has done in the past - thats all good, but to continually post slanderous allegations of what you think someone has done is a totally different matter. Post some actual, factual, able to be proven in court evidence and not heresay or unproven allegations as fact is an etirely different story.

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      03:07pm | 13/12/12

      Bugger Dash’s sense of self-propriety!

      I want that deleted post returned as it was one of the few instances where I got to call Colon a c*nt and had it passed by Mods.

    • Dash says:

      03:53pm | 13/12/12

      @gobsmack - if the post was something untrue, you may have a point.

      Look I’m not immune to criticism. I’m no shrinking violet. Happy to cop the recommendation to pull my head in from time to time.

      But why is it OK to label someone a Misogynist or call him Rabbott (Dave) or mad. All of which is clearly defamatory. But it’s not OK to remind someone of their past behaviour? I think there is a double standard at work here. All I was trying to do was highlight that double standard to Kathy.

      And Gobsmack, you are no saint when it comes to these matters. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!

      @TheRealDave - when you have done as much research as I have into the matter you are clearly refering too. Lets discuss over a beer. But please don’t blindly assume it’s hearsay. I have raised a lot of questions here and tried to be careful how I ask them. It’s not as if I am the only one raising them. If there was no concern, there’d be no questions!

    • Kathy says:

      08:54am | 13/12/12

      BIG Christmas present coming up for ALL Australians when Tony Abbott is soon replaced with someone acceptable and someone electable. Hullo Julie Bishop. nice.

    • Q says:

      10:05am | 13/12/12

      Kathy of the ALP…why do you bother hunni? Blowin’ in the wind…just blowin’ in the wind….

    • DJ says:

      10:05am | 13/12/12

      there you go Dash -  that wasn’t censored was it

    • Sam says:

      10:45am | 13/12/12

      @Dash

      If you want to have an intimate relationship with married men, and you’re all consenting adults, then that’s none of our business. I don’t know why you’re asking us if it’s acceptable. It’s up to you.

      Fraud is illegal, however, so you shouldn’t do that.

    • Dash says:

      11:24am | 13/12/12

      @DJ - No. Must be a different censor today.

    • DJ says:

      12:19pm | 13/12/12

      @Dash - why is your outrage directed at the unmarried person in the adultery?

    • Dash says:

      12:40pm | 13/12/12

      I rest my case. What complete bullshit!! The truth gets censored off yet again. Crap journalism!

    • DJ says:

      01:17pm | 13/12/12

      if by truth you mean unsubstantiated allegation and irrelevant smear then yes you are right to want to post lots of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:51pm | 13/12/12

      Maybe they’re jsut ‘censoring’ you from posting the exact same crap post after post? Maybe its a one post limit per day kinda thing?

      I know I’ve received a few emails from teh Tory’s when I’ve yelled about something - usually my own fault….did they email you and tell you why some posts didn’t make the cut? I am betting they have….they are pretty good like that.

    • Dash says:

      02:17pm | 13/12/12

      @DJ - what I posted here under Kathy’s post, was not unsubstantiated and was not an allegation. And you cannot smear someone with their own actions.

      Your own post at 12.19 highlights that you dispute the relevance or importance of the matter I raised. However, it also shows that you know it to be true. So why now try to pretend it’s not?

      All I did was ask if that bahaviour was acceptable. And I am adamant that there is no reason for that simple question to be deleted.

    • Dash says:

      02:21pm | 13/12/12

      @TheRealDave - Nah, I don’t think so. After all, they keep posting your comments!

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:49pm | 13/12/12

      Its mostly because I am witty and inciteful Dash - not to mention dashingly good looking.

    • Philosopher says:

      03:08pm | 13/12/12

      Dash - maybe if you offered Tory a big discount on a guitar…?

    • Dash says:

      03:29pm | 13/12/12

      @TheRealDave - LOL - that explains it. But I’m happy to just take your word for it.

    • Grey says:

      04:06pm | 13/12/12

      inciteful technically is a word, albeit a word that might make you a criminal under new Anti-Discrimination legislation.

      Shouting Fire in a crowded theatre would be inciteful, saying in a thoughtful tone of voice I can detect a slight whiff of smoke indicating combustion but I am sure there is no cause for alarm, might be insightful - or not.

    • ibast says:

      09:23am | 13/12/12

      That animal in the top right doesn’t look like an animal.  Looks more like the body part being referenced in articles above.

    • Philosopher says:

      10:18am | 13/12/12

      you need to meet younger ladies, ibast.

    • ibast says:

      12:19pm | 13/12/12

      Won’t say no to that.

    • AdamC says:

      09:45am | 13/12/12

      So a new, contemporary union slush fund is making the news.

      http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/shorten-drawn-in-to-inappropriate-fund-controversy-20121212-2ba4d.html

      While it would great for the Coalition were another AWU-Gate to ensnare Labor luminaries in the here and now, I am not sure that this is it. This slush fund seems different to the Wilson/Blewitt one in several important respects, based on the information to hand. It is not a secret fund; it is not being funded by extorted contributions from companies; it is seemingly not being rorted, but being used for the intended purpose.

      Having said, what is needed is a proper framework to regulate the conduct of unions and union bosses. This should include conflict of interest management requirements and clear rules about personal fundraising by union bigwigs. This would actually be highly beneficial to honest, transparent unionists. (But are there really that many of those?)

    • Polar Bear says:

      10:06am | 13/12/12

      “while it would be great” you say? So do you mean all you Liberals don’t care about poor union members being ripped? Surely not? I was sure dickheads like Brandis and yourself were champions of the peasants. So do you now get caned for being liars!? Yea right.

    • AdamC says:

      10:44am | 13/12/12

      Actually, Polar Bear, it was not union members’ funds that were (allegedly) rorted by Julia’s union heavy boyfriend and his bagman. Instead, the relevant (missing) monies were supposedly paid to Wilson and Blewitt by companies seeking industrial peace. You could call them, ahem, bribes, though I am sure the IR club has a less negative-sounding euphemism for those sorts of payments.

      No need to thank me for the history lesson. One of the good things about posting on the Punch is getting the chance to educate trolls about the existence of reality.

    • Tim says:

      11:30am | 13/12/12

      So raising money to fund elections is against the rules now?

      Hmmm better tell the Liberal party to cancel all those fundraising dinners then.

      Dodgy election slush funds everywhere.

    • Expat Ozzie says:

      11:43am | 13/12/12

      @AdamC: I agree with you again here. I hope we are seeing a clean out of thugs from the unions. Hopefully we end up with a professional set of union outfits.

      It is important for Oz that we have balance on both the workers end and management end of the business equation. It will be detrimental to the country if either gets to much of an upper hand.

    • Gregg says:

      12:44pm | 13/12/12

      Actually Adam, in terms of general revenue any funds coming into a union should collectively be all members funds as union officials are just either representatives or employees of union members just as policians are supposed to be representatives of their electorates.

      Sadly, those getting to use funds for what they usually determine are dudding members without they having much say in the matter and if funds were not being attained from other than members fees then members again without much say might be asked to pay more in fees.

      As for Messrs Wilson and Blewitt, there may also be a connection with funds being transferred from a Union members superannuation fund.

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:51pm | 13/12/12

      So is it only Unions that can’t raise funds for elections now?

      So its still Kosher for someone *cough*tonyrabbott*cough* to gather ‘funds’ from ‘Business people’ (and refuse to name them, repeatedly) and put them into a ‘hidden non public account’ to be used by a third party to prosecute a democratically elected opponent of your party?

      Just need a clarification of the Rules of Pontification.

    • AdamC says:

      04:30pm | 13/12/12

      Tim says,

      “So raising money to fund elections is against the rules now?”

      Not necessarily. However, the AWU-Gate slush fund was allegedly looted by Wilson and Blewitt, rather than used for campaigning. So long as it is done in a transparent manner, there is nothing wrong with union bosses raising money for their own election campaigning. That was essentially the point of my original comment.

      Expat Ozzie, I hope so too, but am not holding my breath!

      Gregg, so long as it is clear that a fund is being operated by a union boss for his or her own election campaigning, it is fine for said union boss to use a ‘slush fund’. Obviously, however, they should raise money for the fund ethically, not by misusing their union position.

      RealDave, see my comments in response to Tim and Gregg.

    • bad santa says:

      10:35am | 13/12/12

      Tried to put this in a more xmas’y thread but it got binned maybe a cat lover didnt see the funny side! So sad ha ha:
      Can’t afford Turkey or Chicken this Xmas try cats the other white meat, so many recipes and so few cats!YUM

    • Mr W Tanner says:

      12:14pm | 13/12/12

      ALF! What have I told you about using the internet, you’re gonna get me into trouble with the FBI again… and stop dressing up as Santa, you keep scaring the children.

    • sami says:

      03:49pm | 13/12/12

      You don’t have to be a cat lover to know that it’s not actually funny… so there’s your problem.

    • Philosopher says:

      10:43am | 13/12/12

      The mods have really got it in for me today. Maybe they are hinting they don’t like me? Or that they don’t have a sense of humour? Or a brain?

    • Philosopher says:

      11:36am | 13/12/12

      OK, so they do have a sense of humour. Touche, mods! I know when I am bested.

    • sunny says:

      12:23pm | 13/12/12

      Nah it’s because you smell. You should do something about it I can smell ya from here .. oh wait a minute .. no that’s actually me. Carry on.

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      12:24pm | 13/12/12

      It only happens if you try to say something against Colon.

      I’ve posted 374 comments calling Colon a c*nt but they haven’t posted one yet….

    • fml says:

      01:18pm | 13/12/12

      Colon must be a politician.

    • Conspiracy or Not says:

      11:41am | 13/12/12

      Light bulb moment.

      Does anyone have any information or comments on the new light bulbs that people are putting in their homes leaking mercury vapour into our roomss during normal operation through micro cracks in the globes surface?

      http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/68226/your-light-bulbs-could-make-you-sick

      I always thought it was a daft idea putting such mercury filled lights into our homes but then again you can’t argue with the AGW militants.

    • iansand says:

      12:34pm | 13/12/12

      You misread the article (or the article was written with the intention to deceive).  It is UV light that is escaping from the cracks (no mention of quantiy).  It then goes on to say that the bulbs contain mercury vapour, but nothing suggests a mechanism whereby the vapour can escape.  If you google him, another article quotes him as saying : “Dr. Juanito C. Uy, a scientist based in the Philippines, notes that the study’s results are consistent with his observations on how compact fluorescent tubes and lamps can be potential health hazards. Besides emitting harmful UV rays, he points out that ordinary fluorescents also contain traces of mercury vapour or powder, which serious harm when lamps are broken and surrounding people inhale the gas or powder inside them.”  and then says that the vapour may leak otherwise (again no mechanism).  So can someone explain how mercury vapour penetrates glass?  And Uy heads a company promoting LEDs so one asks cui bonohttp://www.liquidleds.com.au/blog/doctor-notes-harmful-effects-cfls-caused-mercury

      That’s the problem with self proclaimed AGW “sceptics”.  They aren’t.

    • Michael says:

      01:32pm | 13/12/12

      Iansand, you’re a self proclaimed sceptic though, not of AGW, but a sceptic, do you mean only self proclaimed AGW sceptics are not so, but your type are infact true sceptics?

      How would you determine the objectivity of your assessments?

    • Conspiracy or Not says:

      01:46pm | 13/12/12

      iansand,

      He clearly says in the article that they leak mercury vapour continuously as soon as they are turned on.

    • iansand says:

      02:39pm | 13/12/12

      Michael - Do you want to try that again, but this time with your eyes open?

      Conspiracy or Not - Read my post again.  How does mercury vapour get through the glass, and why does he only say “may” in the second article?  And why does a google search on “flourescent bulb mercury vapour leakage” show only leakage relating to broken bulbs on the first 3 pages?

      If you think someone spruiking LEDs is an unbiased source in relation to an opposition product I have a large grey bridge on which I can give you a great price.

    • Michael says:

      03:31pm | 13/12/12

      Iansand, sorry. I wasn’t trying to have a crack at you re the topic, more a joke with myself about how sceptically a sceptic might take their own assessment of their scepticism.

      I am an easily amused person and serial waster of my own time and mental capacity.

      Again, i apologise. smile

    • hammy says:

      11:48am | 13/12/12

      With Anne Hathaways wardrobe malfunction (yes thank me internetters) I have one question.

      When Dennis takes a photo up someone’s skirt he’s arrested, when a paparazzi does it, he’s paid thousands, why the double standard?

    • Chris L says:

      02:27pm | 13/12/12

      Did the guy using a telescopic lens to get pictures of Kate Middleton topless face any action? I’m sure we already have laws in place to prosecute but there never seems to be an attempt.

    • sami says:

      04:05pm | 13/12/12

      Can’t answer that, except to say that photographer is pretty scummy. Unless she gives permission for the world to see that shot it’s a low act to release it. It’s a sad day when you don’t have ownership of your own body.

      Perhaps the law is different at a movie premiere or similar, in that people attending probably have signed waivers allowing photographs of them to be used etc and acknowledging there will be pictures taken. As opposed to some random sneaking up and taking a photo up the skirt of a woman going about her business, which is clearly him being gross.

    • hammy says:

      12:35pm | 13/12/12

      No Punch articles on the corruption scandal in NSW Labor?

      Have I missed them?

      Will this comment get through?

    • James1 says:

      12:41pm | 13/12/12

      I just discovered this thing called Gizoogle.  It translates websites into Snoop Dogg (or Lion or whatever) style slang.  I have translated a couple of Punch articles using it, and the way it changes the names and comments in particular is hilarious. 

      Check it out - I know some here, particularly subotic, will find it hilarious.

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      02:15pm | 13/12/12

      Fo’ shizzl my nizzl….

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      02:21pm | 13/12/12

      hahaha just did it then.

      Awesome!

    • Chris L says:

      02:30pm | 13/12/12

      James, go onto youtube and search for the latest Epic Rap Battle Of History. It’s between Santa and Moses and I suspect you’ll love it.

    • Mouse says:

      03:59pm | 13/12/12

      ChrisL, you find the strangest sites! lol :o)

    • James1 says:

      05:06pm | 13/12/12

      Thanks for that Chris.  I have many epic rap battles to sift through now.

    • gobsmack says:

      12:46pm | 13/12/12

      Here’s my take on the outcome of the Slipper saga.

      The LNP.  The only clear winners.  The proceedings enabled enough dirt on Slipper to be put on the public record to destroy his reputation, allowing the LNP to exact revenge and have him booted from the role of Speaker.  As an aside, the job having been done, I doubt the LNP will be interested in funding any appeal against the decision.

      Slipper.  A clear loser.  His reputation has been trashed.  The evidence adduced in court has shown him to be a foul mouthed misogynists and, at best, a bit pervy.

      The ALP.  Losers.  They lost their choice of Speaker.  Also, the fact that they settled with Ashby (which is not unremarkable in these sorts of cases) portrays them as hypocritical and having backed the wrong side.

      Michael Harmer.  Loser.  It is a serious matter when a senior lawyer receives such a pasting from a judge.  If there is an appeal, he might consider working pro bono to salvage his professional reputation.

      Ashby.  Loser.  If he has hoped this stunt would further his career as a political staffer (and in the future, as a politician) he will be very disappointed.  He will learn that despite the short term support offered by the LNP, he has been used as a patsie in a bigger game.  And who would employ someone who has demonstrated such breathtaking disloyality to his last employer?  This guy is now damaged goods.

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:48pm | 13/12/12

      Yep - no dirt on the LNP at all - as long as you ignore the major part several LNP ‘players’ had in this farce.

      Just pretend it never happened, pretend Mal Brough, Brandis et al were never involved at all….. hey - like it wink

    • John says:

      02:08pm | 13/12/12

      @gobsmack

      You do realise Mal Brough and George Brandis work for the Libs, right?

      And you do realise Slipper was an LNP MP for 18 years, voted into office by LNP voters like you for 18 years?

      And you’re fine with political parties abusing the judicial process, are you?

    • gobsmack says:

      03:57pm | 13/12/12

      @RealDave & John
      Anyone who’s cared to notice will know that I’m one of those “lefties” and that I can’t stand Abbott.

      My post above is an attempt at an impartial analysis of the after wash of the Slipper affair.

      Yes, I realise Mal Brough was, despite his denials, heavily involved.  I also realise that Slipper was a Parliamentary Secretary in the Howard government at the time of the “2003 incident” which, on the available facts, was far more serious than anything involving Ashby.

      No, I am far from happy with a political party abusing the judicial process and applaud Justice Rares for throwing the case out.  However, the fact remains that they got away with it.  There may be some collateral damage as I have noted above, but I doubt that any of the major LNP players will be seriously damaged by this whole sordid affair.

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:58pm | 13/12/12

      What…no applause for the government for doing what people were screaming for only two days ago??

      “AFGHAN ‘TERPS’ GET AUSSIE VISAS:
      Minister for Immigration and Citizenship Chris Bowen and Minister for Defence Stephen Smith today announced that Australia will offer resettlement to Australia to eligible locally engaged Afghan employees at risk of harm due to their employment in support of Australia’s mission in Afghanistan. ”

    • marley says:

      01:56pm | 13/12/12

      Good.  It’s the right thing to do.

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:16pm | 13/12/12

      Of course it is - and its something we have always done and were always going to do. Why anyone thought we wouldn’t is beyond me….actually, no its not - we all know EXACTLY why it was ever an issue…..

      ..sadly..

    • marley says:

      03:42pm | 13/12/12

      @TheRealDave - it never hurts to remind the politicians that we’re watching them.

    • Rosie says:

      01:22pm | 13/12/12

      Have just seen the ‘wet towel/blanket origami display’ and it reminded me of the Labor Ministers that have come out pushing for the Slipper case to be made into a big issue. The look on their faces tells another story because it is not happening the way they would like it to happen. Unlike the AWU Slush Fund Scandal which featured heavily at the last Parliamentary sitting of the year and added to the political baggage Julia Gillard is already carrying into 2013 Election year.

      Left to Right

      Bob Carr making out he cares when all he cares about is himself.

      Ed Husic happens to be there pretending he doesn’t care that Gillard took the PM job away from Rudd. Will always go with the flow.

      Albanese blabber mouth will do and say anything because he just loves fighting the Tories. Never mind what is best for his Labor Party.

      Roxon, prime and proper and no one else is smarter than she is but lacks even an ounce of common sense.

      Last and worst of all is Mr Tool Man Craig Big Boof Emerson with the look of devotion and no matter under any circumstances he will vouch for PM Julia Gillard.

      Please can someone remind them we have had to blood full years of all this crap and because Elections is next year how about what is best for the nation and its people.

    • gobsmack says:

      02:12pm | 13/12/12

      “Mr Tool Man Craig Big Boof Emerson”

      What a sexist remark.  You are clearly a misandrist.

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:21pm | 13/12/12

      Ahh Rosie - another LNP shill with a ‘Quick - Look Over There!!’ statement.

      All you do is remind people about what you are hoping they will ignore. Its posts like yours and Gobsmacks above that remind people - ‘Hey there a second…weren’t Mal Brough, George Brandis, Christopher Pyne and Friends all over this before it went anywhere near a courtroom?? - And now the Federal Court Judge is saying it was a blatant political attack on an elected politician??’

      Please - continue trying to paint this any other way - its amusing and you keep reminding people of what the actual chain of events were and who exactly was involved in this act of political bastardy wink

    • nihonin says:

      04:36pm | 13/12/12

      TheRealDave, there is no difference between the ‘acolytes’, they’re all the same and all read from the sheet, only difference being the party which writes the sheet they bleat from.

    • Rosie says:

      05:10pm | 13/12/12

      Oh dear not happy chappies we have here. Sorry about ‘Mr Tool Man Craig Big Boof Emerson’ I can’t help myself but go all berserk at the TV every time he rears his ugly head.

      For me the Slipper outcome was great for democracy and a sure sign that our legal system is working extremely well and couldn’t be any fairer. It is just the way I like it and it is the way it should be. The real winner is the Federal Court Judge, Justice Rares who gave the decision and the people of Australia. I say Bugger All The Politicians, they are all losers in this case because they have been tainted some where along the line with the Slipper.

    • Joan says:

      05:48pm | 13/12/12

      @rosie

      Wrong. It was Ashby and the Coalition who conspired against Slipper and were found to have abused the judicial process, not the ALP.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      04:54pm | 13/12/12

      TRD I’m a Liberal supporter, and agree that he should apologise…
      What difference to what party you support.. The guy shoots of comments before actually thinking about what he is saying…

    • Smoke Crack - Worship Satan says:

      03:08pm | 13/12/12

      Holy shit, Steve Buscemi was born today in 1957….

      Walter Sobchak: Donny was a good bowler, and a good man. He was one of us. He was a man who loved the outdoors… and bowling, and as a surfer he explored the beaches of Southern California, from La Jolla to Leo Carrillo and… up to… Pismo. He died, like so many young men of his generation, he died before his time. In your wisdom, Lord, you took him, as you took so many bright flowering young men at Khe Sanh, at Langdok, at Hill 364. These young men gave their lives. And so would Donny. Donny, who loved bowling.

      And so, Theodore Donald Karabotsos, in accordance with what we think your dying wishes might well have been, we commit your final mortal remains to the bosom of the Pacific Ocean, which you loved so well.

      Good night, sweet prince.

    • sami says:

      03:35pm | 13/12/12

      *Insert repetitive generic political rant here*

    • pa_kelvin says:

      05:35pm | 13/12/12

      Abbott Gillard Labor Coalition Greens Roxon Hockey Pyne Swan

      *end rant*  smile  *sigh*

    • Jess says:

      04:07pm | 13/12/12

      Towel oragami is awesome.
      We stayed at a Disney resort hotel when we visited Tokyo Disneyland.  One of the room cleaners made a oragami penguin. It was awesome and added to our enjoyment of the hotel. It was awesome btw.  If you are going to do Disneyland go the whole hog stay at the hotel and spend all of the money (i.e we didn’t go cheap on it, bought all of the things we wanted) The hotel was some like $400 Aus a night.

    • PJ says:

      05:02pm | 13/12/12

      Where is my piece on the perils of Mass Immigration, as opposed to Balanced immigration?

 

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