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by Lucy Kippist

13 Jan 05:00am

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Australian singer and song writer Paul Kelly was born today in 1955.

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    • AnthonyG says:

      05:16am | 13/01/11

      Badger or Liberal Loafer or what ever you want to be today. Its not a good idea to stalk married women. If you can’t hold a relationship yourself don’t try and wreck other peoples. Grow up you loser. Nicole’s other half AnthonyG

      Reply

    • The Badger says:

      07:10am | 13/01/11

      I beg your pardon.
      WTF?

    • Shane says:

      08:35am | 13/01/11

      I say we settle this in the death pit. Excuse me site admin, can we please book out The Puch Death Pit from 10-11am tomorrow? Cheers

    • James1 says:

      09:53am | 13/01/11

      How did this get through the mods?  It seems like a plain insult, and adds nothing at all to the discussion.

    • Macca says:

      10:01am | 13/01/11

      two men enter, one man exits

    • Reg says:

      11:36am | 13/01/11

      Best laugh I’ve had for days. smile

      Personally I am very particular about who I stalk.  smile Just wondering, does Nicole know you’re loose Tony?

    • James1 says:

      12:08pm | 13/01/11

      Thanks Tim.  Makes sense now.

    • nosthow says:

      05:36am | 13/01/11

      Hopefor our brave people here in QLD Lucy who have been subjected to Mother Natures worst ! The Gillard and Bligh Labor governments are to be commended for their constant and timely support for the ver increasing flood victims. They could not have responded better in fact. Contrast that with the pitiful comments of Abbott and his dilly sidekick Barnaby “Joke’ re we need more dams they said to stop the flooding. Now you would only need a brain the size of a pea to rrealise that 50 new dams would not have stopped this monstrous flooding . And their lies the cause of the Liberl/Nationals stupid statements, I note also roundly condemed in the media - there is no-one in the Liberal/Nationls who possesses a ounce of sense or brainpower - as a matter of fact I am beginning to realise that to qualify to be a Liberal in this country the 1st requrement is to have no brains !  hahahahahahhh Shame on you Tony Abbott and your sad little band of misfits who once again during this flood crisis have clearly shown all Australians why you are not fit to govern !

      Reply

    • marley says:

      07:52am | 13/01/11

      i expect a lot of Brisbaneites are glad that someone (would that be Joh?) had the foresight to build the Wivenhoe dam after the last round of flooding in 74.

    • The Badger says:

      06:54am | 13/01/11

      What an idiot Palin is.
      She responds to the criticism about her target map and hateful rhetoric by pissing off jews everywhere by calling the criticism “blood libel

      If anything good has come out of this tragedy, it is that she will never again hold a public office.

      Reply

    • Grumpy says:

      08:36am | 13/01/11

      She reminds me of Pauline Hanson. Only problem is people buy into that kinda crap over there.Shes like a cockroach she’ll never go away until someone ‘touch wood’ assassinates her.

      OH no i didn’t… yes i did!

    • Shane says:

      08:38am | 13/01/11

      To be fair, Palin could’ve sat quietly on a chair with her hands neatly folded in her lap and said nothing and still pissed off the Jews somehow. They manage to pip the gay lobby for the most overly-sensitive minority in society.

    • MarK says:

      10:06am | 13/01/11

      Got to hate those uppity whit conservative woman that actually speak out when libelled eh.

      Tragedy.

    • Jim says:

      04:38pm | 13/01/11

      Badger/Loafer/Mustela/Quiche etc etc…you bang on about Palin and her hateful rhetoric. You bang on about Bolt and his hate filled words. You get on your soapbox about anything YOU deem as inciting hatred…

      Yet what do YOU yourself do on The Punch every single day mate? You jump on and insult other posters in the most childish ways. You make personal attacks every day. You say some truly disgusting things like wishing NicoleG and TimB would marry and honeymoon in Brisbane…I won’t even repeat the crap you’ve said about me.

      And you can’t even be a MAN and post under the one name. How many pseudonyms do you have Badger??

      How about you start practicing what you preach for a change?

    • The Badger says:

      05:46pm | 13/01/11

      Jim
      you mean like your incessant banging on about unions?
      regarding Nicole & Timb not my style mate.

      The only pseudonym you have right is the one I responded to when you kept calling me a weasel. That wasn’t too difficult to figure out, all you had to do was plug it into a search engine.

      FYI
      Badger means to to pester or harass.
      Weasel denotes someone sneaky or treacherous

      I am The Badger,
      Have no idea what you are, but I suspect you are a redneck union basher.

    • Zeta says:

      08:53am | 13/01/11

      The Open Thread is starting to get weird and scary. And not the cool kind of weird and scary, like, masked orgy in a castle weird and scary. More like H.P Lovecraft obsessed swingers party weird and scary. Or NSW Liberal Party State Conferrence weird and scary.

      Lucy needs to rename it the Punch’s troll thread. It’s kind of embarrasing. I feel embarrased for some of you. I can’t watch reality television because I get embarrased on behalf of people who don’t get embarrased for themselves and this is kind of like that.

      My personal view is that the Punch team gives you guys a lot of free reign to be stupid on their site and you’re repaying that by taking the baseline level of accepted stupidity into a whole new realm.

      If it keeps up, it will end up like the comments section of the Gawker stable - in other words, trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls - only without the hilarious homoeroticism and far left invective.

      Reply
    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      10:29am | 13/01/11

      I think you’re right Zeta. Part of the problem at the back end is that you might have several people moderating so you can’t see how all the comments are feeding in together… and before you know it you have HP Lovecraft stuff going on…

      So chill out, people, constructive comments only!

    • RT says:

      11:16am | 13/01/11

      Point taken. Trolling overload.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:10pm | 13/01/11

      Zeta,

      Or sales meeting scary, Yes I started my career in Sales. Yes - for the first half hour of the day I would wonder if I had accidentally joined a cult…

    • kerrie o'rourke says:

      06:34pm | 13/01/11

      there are no Trolls in Australia.
      there are only Tories.

    • NicoleG says:

      07:10pm | 13/01/11

      Um Tory, ahh constructive comments. Just like the two that have just been posted by that halfwit kerry o’rourke? Or just like the ones that have just popped up by the same imbecile on every other article that’s been put up today? Well I’m sick to death of that freaking troll stalking me on this site. Not only me but TimB too. I used to love The Punch, but if this shit continues, I’m over and out.

    • TimB says:

      08:36pm | 13/01/11

      Nicole don’t do that. Then the troll wins.

      I think our best bet for now is simply to ignore it & not let it get to us.

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      08:50pm | 13/01/11

      The other thing you can do is let us know - if you think we’re not picking up the abuse, email us at feedback@thepunch.com.au with the name, and we’ll keep a closer eye on that person.

    • acinom says:

      09:09am | 13/01/11

      Daniel Valerio’s murderer was released on parole this morning after serving 19 years of a 22 year sentence. The defenseless 2 year old was beaten so severely that his internal organs were pulp.

      It makes me question..what right does this monster have to live, to be free and start a new life amongst us?

      On another note, it’s great to see that good old Aussie humour shining through the devastation of the Queensland floods. A photo of Wally Lewis’ statue outside Suncorp Stadium was posted this morning, wearing floaties and snorkelling goggles! If that doesn’t make you proud of the strength of these people, I don’t know what will.

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    • Zeta says:

      10:13am | 13/01/11

      I always ask myself the same question, and I think the answer is - he doesn’t have the right to live, but the State doesn’t have the right to kill him.

      Where that leaves us is a whole mess of questions.

    • Markus says:

      11:10am | 13/01/11

      The capital punishment conundrum raises its head again.

      I am actually in favour of it in cases where (provided it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt they are guilty of course) the offender has no remorse and has zero possibility of rehabilitation or an extremely high chance to reoffend.
      Why bother encarcerating someone like that for 4-5 consecutive life sentences?

      One of the main arguments against is that capital punishment is not a deterrant, but in a way it is, as it at least provides 100% assurity that the offender will not reoffend.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:15pm | 13/01/11

      Wow, that is such a can of worms Markus. I have mixed feelings on Capital Punishment and it is for that reason only I can’t actually put my hand up and say I would like to see it reintroduced. I agree with it for all the same reasons as you, but unfortunately what is good for the goose has to just as good for the gander and our legal system would not allow us to pick and choose who is to face it and who not. So that is my biggest issue with it - I think its application would quickly get out of hand. Our courts would get clogged with appeals and god help us if we had to witness those bell tolling midnight sessions with picketers outside and the family of the victim in there watching it all unfurl. It seems like such a bizarre act. Murderers have murdered yes, and that is unforgiveable - but being a part of that process almost makes me feel ill.

      I would love to see Life mean LIFE in Australia. I don’t agree with America’s system where you can be sentenced to 100 years for armed robbery - I just see no point in that - but for people who commit crimes that warrant “life” like premeditated violent murder (to again use that as an example) I would like to see that when life is handed down to them they will never be reintroduced to society - that is also some assurity (killing inmates aside) that they will not reoffend. Like this idiot. He should have been given life without any avenue for parole… ever.

      It is such a contensious issue though isn’t it. The civil libertarians groups will be out and about on this one today. It is sad, because poor little Daniel’s liberties were wiped 19 years ago. Incarceration (and society for that matter) should deal the same blow to the offender, but it does not.

    • Reg says:

      12:20pm | 13/01/11

      Despite moments of indecision I could never agree with capital punishment. For a start it’s far too easy an escape from the evil they have perpetrated.  For the Christians it is a release from a world of pain and suffering into a more preferable existence. Although I don’t buy that it seems many Christians and others are only too ready to relieve the prisoner of his suffering. (Yes the inclusive HIS)

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:20pm | 13/01/11

      Jack the Insider put forward a view on the death penalty a few months back that got me nodding my head in agreement.

      The argument is basically that the State can’t kill people (even guilty ones) because society need to be (and be seen to be) morally superior to its deviants. Right or wrong, the State loses its moral high ground if it kills it (guilty) citizens,

      Also, and this is my personal view. If just one person -ever- is wrongly convicted is killed by the death penalty - then it is morally indefensible.

    • Dan says:

      12:58pm | 13/01/11

      Markus; “Why bother encarcerating someone like that for 4-5 consecutive life sentences?”

      Well, because IMO the death penalty is murder. Yes, it’s tragic that the boy was murdered. However I don’t think the state is ever justified in cold-bloodly taking a life; murder in my view.

    • MarK says:

      10:32am | 13/01/11

      This neatly summarises all of the bullshit surrounding the US shooting.

      It actually points the blame at the correct person and also gives us compelling and excellent evidence as to why the lefts obsession with pinning the blame on Palin was so utterly laughable.

      http://www.investors.com/EditorialCartoons/Cartoon.aspx?id=559549

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    • Dan says:

      01:10pm | 13/01/11

      Badger, fantastic! They absolutely do highlight the real issues.

      MarkK, you want to know what is bullshit? There has been yet another shooting, and right-wingers are still refusing to admit that there is an issue with gun control!

      It’s so sick that when it comes to torture and denying the rule of law, right-wingers couldn’t care less about the constitution, but when it comes to their precious guns, oh, no, you can’t take away their constitutional rights!

    • rufus says:

      01:29pm | 13/01/11

      Dan, I don’t think support for guns is confined to ‘the right’ in the US. Michael Moore and his sympathisers aside, there’s little political appetite or support for gun contol there, is my take.

    • TimB says:

      01:46pm | 13/01/11

      Dan I don’t know about other “right-wingers” but I thought the argument was that blame should not be automatically sheeted home to Palin & the the Tea Parties doorstep without a shred of crdible proof.
      Blame should stop and end with the crazy loon who was responsible. I know that was my argument.

      But in and of itself agree with you on the gun control thing. We had Port Arthur, and Howard rightly cracked down. The US would definetly be a much better place if they wern’t so obsessed with their weapons.

    • marley says:

      01:49pm | 13/01/11

      @Dan - I have to agree with Rufus. The American courts, right up to the Supreme Court have tossed out a lot of local laws restricting gun ownership as being in violation of the 2nd Amendment.  The only way you’re going to get meaningful changes to gun laws there is to change the Constitution - and neither party has the appetite for that.

    • MarK says:

      02:32pm | 13/01/11

      Are you seriosly suggesting Dan that right wingers lead the charge in the US against gun control.

      In that battle all Americans are culpable whatever their politics.

      What you just did there was the exact same thing they did to Plain. They just tried to slime her with no thought.

      Badger as usual is highlighting the exact stupidity of the left on this issue. All evidence of the shooter pints to him being simply apolitcal and just a head case.

      That is all.

    • Reg says:

      03:03pm | 13/01/11

      You’re still ranting Tim mate… “.I thought the argument was that blame should not be automatically sheeted home to Palin & the the Tea Parties doorstep without a shred of crdible proof.”

      Will you settle for incredible proof? Now you’re not even sure what the argument is? This is incredible.

    • TimB says:

      06:14pm | 13/01/11

      For the last time you *don’t* have proof Reg.

      You have old political rhetoric that you cannot prove the gunman even saw.

      All you have is a “maybe” and its a bare maybe. Not proof. Not even close.

      PS. I like how you see me calmly stating my opinion as a “rant”. I suppose anything you disagree with counts as a rant in your book. Telling.

      The guy was a whackjob, who has been obsessed with Giffords for YEARS. Long before Palin or the Tea Party ever came on the political scene. Even before Obama was elected.

      You have no case. You have no proof.  All you have is belief and assumptions. End of story.

    • Dan says:

      01:29am | 14/01/11

      MarkK, if you honestly believe that Palin bears no responsibility, even though all the evidence suggests she does, then nobody can help you. She did not out the gun in his hand, but she helped create a climate where such things become inevitable.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      12:32pm | 13/01/11

      Cattle grazing reintroduced into the Alpine National Park by the Victorian government under the guise of a “scientific trial”. A co-opt of science for political purposes similar in theme to Japanese whale hunting. Never mind the fact that it is possibly contravening federal environmental laws, never mind that it is environmental degradation on public land for private purpose, never mind that that area provides drinking water for human settlements, letting a few individuals make a profit out of public land takes priority.

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    • Robert S McCormick says:

      12:50pm | 13/01/11

      The ALP is to allocate yet another swag of our money, this time $5 million, to conduct a study into “Homelessness in Australia”!
      Just how many studies into this issue do we need? Over the years we have had many.
      The answer they always come up with is always the same:
      “We need more, low-rent, affordable housing to be built. Either units or houses it matters not which.”
      Doubtless this latest expensive study will be conducted by those greatest parasites of all State & Territory politicians plus a few Federal ones for good measure. They, of course, will be joined by another group of leeches: “The Experts”:  University professors, social workers, unionists, members of the clergy & representatives from the not-so-charitable Charity Sector.
      They will simply bury their greedy snouts in the money pot, come up with the same old answer:
      “We need more low-cost, affordable housing”
      They will all then walk away with their bank accounts full of our money & that will be the end of it until they start to get short of cash at which time they call for yet another study which, in turn will come up with the perennial result!
      That $5 million dollars would be very much better spent on actually building low-rent, afffordable housing.

      Reply

    • Andy says:

      01:03pm | 13/01/11

      Hello Dan, it’s Joe here.

      Sorry folks but while I recognise that there is so much tragedy (and attempts to rationalise horrible events) going on at the moment, I think we should take a minute to celebrate the greatness of Paul Kelly.

      His contribution to Australian music is immeasurable. His songs are so accessible and lyrics celebrate the hopes, desires and fears of ordinary Aussies.

      I saw Mr Kelly about two years ago in Perth in a tiny sushi shop next to His Majesty’s theatre. Although I couldn’t bring myself to say it at the time, I wanted to thank him for bringing me closer to in-laws. Thanks mate and keep on writing.

      Reply

    • stephen says:

      06:16pm | 13/01/11

      He ever brings me closer to me in-laws I’ll hang his guitar on his ‘sitar’,

    • Dave Maton says:

      03:23pm | 13/01/11

      Your comment: Paul Kelly is no doubt one of the best songwriters in the world and “To Her Door” is a great song. But did you have to pick something so obvious to celebrate his birthday. There are so many other great tracks that true fans would appreciate more.

      Reply

    • Scarneck says:

      03:44pm | 13/01/11

      I was wrong - Kevin Pietersen is not the arrogant, POMpous, egotistical asshole I thought he was….the way he has got behind the QLD flood appeal has floored me, well done KP.

      Reply

    • kerrie o'rourke says:

      06:32pm | 13/01/11

      Will the real Paul Kelly please stand up.
      paul kelly writes great articles for The Australian and paul kelly also writes great songs like Bradman and To Her Door. .
      The Australian delivered to her door

      Reply
 
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