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08 Nov 05:00am

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General Dwight D Eisenhower sweeps to victory today in 1952 with the largest amount of presidential votes recorded in United States history.

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    • acotrel says:

      06:43am | 08/11/10

      1952 was a vintage year!  Thank God Ike had a few more brains than MacArthur, or we would have had WW3 immediately after Korea!

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    • stephen says:

      10:10am | 08/11/10

      Korea wasn’t really on the cards, but I do believe the USSR was, 10 years later.
      A good film to that effect, called 13 Days, which is terrific.

    • acotrel says:

      11:44am | 08/11/10

      Didn’t Ike send George Marshall to bring MacArthur home from Korea to stop him taking the war into Russia?

    • acotrel says:

      11:48am | 08/11/10

      Stephen, you had me doubting my memory! How old are you? :

      The Korean War began on 25 June 1950, when North Korean forces launched an invasion of South Korea. Personnel from the Australian Army, RAAF, and RAN fought as part of the United Nations (UN) multinational force, defending South Korea from the Communist force of North Korea.

      The end of the war came with the signing of an armistice on 27 July 1953, three years and one month after the war began. The ending was so sudden that some soldiers had to be convinced it really was over. After the war ended, the presence of Australians in Korea continued with a peacekeeping force until 1957.

    • Reg says:

      02:57pm | 08/11/10

      MacArthur feigned disgust that the bombs had been used rather than let him lead the invasion of Japan. His frustration was allayed by letting him take the surrender, noting that he gave the signing pen to the poor bastard he left behind in Corrigador when he took off for Australia. Ever adaptable, in Korea he was dead set on using the bomb to cut off the invading hordes of Chinese Communists and their Russian fighter pilots at the Yalu River. It was then he was sacked, shocking the Japanese that someone so powerful could be dethroned by a leader even more exalted.  Considering Ike had been MacArthurs subordinate, his election would have done absolutely no good at all for MacArthur’s blood pressure. MacArthur stepped out of the political arena rather than fail at the election especially once he realised how unpopular he was among his wartime troops.

    • Reg says:

      03:04pm | 08/11/10

      One more extremely important detail. The USSR had walked out of the Security Council meeting of the UN that was considering support for South Korea against the invading North. As the major members of the Wartime Allies had the power of VETO over any such action, it was the walk-out of the USSR that allowed the intervention to proceed. The USSR would have cast their VETO had they been present.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:18pm | 08/11/10

      @acotrel, I believe Stephen was saying the world was closer to WW3 during the Cuban Missile Crisis and not during Korea.

      For the record, I don’t think either was correct. Macarthur was a grandstanding tool, but they were never going to seriously drop nukes all over China to end the Korean War. Nor do I think JFK would have pressed the button over Cuba. Conventional invasion - possibly, but not a Nuclear Exchange. In a great what if scenario…if the USSR had not of backed down and forced the US into a conventional invasion of Cuba…..would Vietnam have ever happened?

    • Reg says:

      04:44pm | 08/11/10

      The extraordinary disclosure since the end of the Cold War was that Russian submarines around Cuba carried launchable nuclear weapons that would have devastated the US had they invaded Cuba. The US at the time was not aware of this. Worse, in the event of loss of communications it was up to the Commander of the specific submarine whether to launch or not.

    • BobbyDan says:

      08:18am | 08/11/10

      Where have all the Statesmen and Respected Leaders gone? Are they all dead and buried and we are left with the “Also rans” in the race for survival of a fair and even existance for all persons.

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    • acotrel says:

      11:41am | 08/11/10

      I had t o laugh about the petty jealousies between WW2 generals amongst the allies.  There was a lot of tension between Ike, Patton, and Montgomery.  They always watched what each other was up to.  It was all about kudos, and career advantage.  Ike was obviously the best of them!

    • acotrel says:

      11:59am | 08/11/10

      Stephen, wasn’t ‘13 Days’ about Kennedy, and the Cuban missile crisis?  You need to read up on your history!

    • BobbyDan says:

      03:11pm | 08/11/10

      ocatrel: I was a 9yo boy in short pants when Korea started and my sisters BF went off with the RAAF as an Airframe Fitter to fight them “Commi” B’s (that was a new word for me, then). As a family we were involved because we had a man fighting “over there” Had to listen to the news and read the papers and pay 3d on Saturday to go to the flicks and watch the News Reels.
      Heady days, but the fight still goes on? The war that was never won, like most of them since then. Ike was a hero and our boys helped. He went on and up and our mob came home and were forgotten until this year.

    • Paul Neri says:

      09:13am | 08/11/10

      Social Capital, dharavi and my wretched neighbour.

      Social planners are getting their knickers twisted because there’s not enough human warmth about and there’s too much loneliness, social isolation and unhappiness.

      So ... they want us all to live cheek by jowl, millions of us actually, and society will apparently be a better place.

      Undoubtedly it would be for many people, often the ones we usually run a mile from - people like my retired neighbour who seem to save up all their noisy chores for the week-end.

      I think social planners and policy makers should plan from a different position - that human beings mostly can’t stand each other and spend most of their time avoiding human engagement. Our cities and workplaces should be planned accordingly.

      Planners work from the paradigm that social interaction is inherently good and to be promoted. And this is what Labor and the Left work on as they create millions of extra little neighbours for us.

      Mind you, we don’t see the labor strategists living in the cramped suburbs being driven mad by their neighbours. And so we have Phillip Adams living in the sylvan surrounds of country Scone. Malcolm Fraser walking his dog on the heathlands of the Mornington Peninsula.

      It’s just you and I that get stuck with the ghastly consequences of Labor’s futile pursuit of Utopia !

      Lawnmower for breakfast anyone? How about a bit of leaf-blower then, topped off with jet ski ?

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    • stephen says:

      10:15am | 08/11/10

      I don’t agree with the public transport zoning system, whereby the farther you go the more you pay. It’s difficult for the fare-takers.(And probably difficult why BBC is having trouble finding drivers.)
      It should be flat-rate for everybody, irrespective of the distance travelled, and over 65’s get on for free.

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    • Davida says:

      10:58am | 08/11/10

      I like your suggestion that over 65’s travel free but the only way to subsidise the longer commutes (fuel/maintenance/staff etc) would be to increase the burden on those with shorter commutes.  Hardly fair…..

    • stephen says:

      10:41am | 08/11/10

      The NSW green’s office had poo smeared all over its front door yesterday.
      (Hmmm…talk about a carbon footprint.)

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    • acotrel says:

      11:52am | 08/11/10

      I wonder w hat political persuasion the perpetrator of that delightful crime might be?

    • stephen says:

      12:30pm | 08/11/10

      The last post : Yeah acotrel I was referring earlier to WW3 and that the Cuban Missile Crises was as close as we have yet got to the big’n.
      Though I ain’t right up on this kinda History.

    • MarK says:

      12:08pm | 08/11/10

      http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-prime-minister-gillard-announces-indigenous-referendum/story-e6frfkvr-1225949402793

      Dog whistle warning.

      But apart from the cringe worthy feel goodness of it all and the further segregation of “indigenous” from all Australians (why can’t we all be Australians?) look at the modus operandi.

      I mean LAWL

      “an expert panel will be set up to lead a national discussion”

      OMFG - another expert panel
      But wait - there is more

      “She said the expert panel would include indigenous and non-indigenous Australians, community leaders, constitutional experts and members of Parliament.

      “It will lead a national discussion and broad consultation in 2011 to build consensus about the recognition of indigenous peoples in the constitution,” Ms Gillard said.


      GO TEAM.

      Lets “build consensus”, also known as group think for anyone not a progressive. You will be made to believe. The committee will see to that.

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    • Jim says:

      02:15pm | 08/11/10

      Sounds like a great job for “The Nodders”...though I can’t see anyone with a differing opinion to the L.U.G.‘s being allowed on it; makes the term ‘expert panel’ seem a bit ridiculous then, doesn’t it.

    • The Badger says:

      12:47pm | 08/11/10

      Good to see you are not distracted from your conservative monologue by issues of significant importance.

      Perhaps whenever we create a panel to look at something, you are suggesting it should be an “amateur panel”. Perhaps you would like to sit on such a panel as I suggest you are under-whelmingly qualified.

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    • NicoleG says:

      01:14pm | 08/11/10

      There must be something in the water. acotrel has no idea where he’s posting comments and you’re talking to yourself. Jeez.

    • Sadiq Farris says:

      02:24pm | 08/11/10

      Like The Liberal Party of Australia, United States Of America runs its economy and its books like “A 1950s Milk Bar”( Daily Telegraph November 8 2010)
      Like the Liberal Party, the United States Of America is broke and lives in the 1950s Milk Bar Era with old Daddy Eisenhower and Pig Iron Bob Menzies, the Modern Version of John Howard and Tony Abbott!.

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    • acotrel says:

      09:46pm | 08/11/10

      Ike and Ming were from a totally different era in history.  Some of us can remember ‘the good old days’ of commie phobia, winning elections with ‘reds under the beds’, and by playing the law & order card!  I wonder how much J. Edgar Hoover had on Ike?

    • acotrel says:

      10:01pm | 08/11/10

      The Real Dave.  Vietnam had no association with the Cuban missile crisis.  It was about getting rid of the colonial French.  We go sucked into it because the commies supported the freedom fighters from the North.  In fact Paul Hasluck went to Washington to lobby the Yanks to send GIs.  As far as Australia was concerned it had more to do with the communists in Indonesia than anything else.  By the time we had our guys in Vietnam, the crisis in Indonesia had almost been resolved.  But it was too late for us to back out. The whole thing was simply a result of Cold War paranoia!  In the end, it was evident that the ‘domino effect’ was a furphy - it just never happened!

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    • tietuehegleft says:

      12:05pm | 19/11/10

      Simply choose an insurance company which offers high budget firmness, well established plus really trusted just by people. It is possible to absolutely realize a single personal specific geographic area

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    • NeheraRorma says:

      10:21pm | 30/11/10

      My concerns are: How much can a company legally require to allow an insurance policy holder out of his car insurance policy?
      Normally , how much does your agency cost when someone chooses to terminate and how much pressure can you use to hold them?
      What are some ideas something like that we can say if our consumer has many months still left on his existing automobile coverage? Certainly, all of us are not going to wait until his renewal comes due each and every time.

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    • NeheraRorma says:

      01:13am | 01/12/10

      My inquiries are: How much money can an agency legally require to allow an insurance policy holder out of his car insurance policy?
      Normally , how much does your agency cost when an individual wants to stop and how much pressure do you use to hold them?
      What are some suggestions or something we can say if our consumer has several months left on his existing auto plan? Undoubtedly, many of us are not going to hold back until his renewal comes due every time.

      Reply

    • NeheraRorma says:

      08:28am | 01/12/10

      My queries are: What amount can a provider legally charge you to allow an insurance plan holder out of his vehicle insurance?
      How much does your company cost when somebody needs to end and how much pressure would you use to continue them?
      What are some tips or something like that we can say if our customer has many months left on his current motor vehicle policy? Undoubtedly, many of us are not going to wait until his renewal comes due each time.

      Reply

    • NeheraRorma says:

      12:01pm | 01/12/10

      My queries are: What amount can an agency legally cost you to let coverage holder out of his car insurance policy?
      Normally , how much does your company charge when anyone wants to terminate and how much pressure do you use to maintain them?
      What are some ideas or something like that we can say if our customer has several months remaining on his current automotive coverage? Surely, all of us are not going to hold back until his renewal comes due every time.

      Reply

    • NeheraRorma says:

      11:08pm | 01/12/10

      My concerns are: Simply how much can a provider legally charge you to let a plan holder out of his car insurance?
      How much does your agency charge when an individual chooses to end and how much pressure would you use to keep them?
      What are some ideas or something we can say if our client has many months remaining on his current car policy? Undoubtedly, many of us are not going to wait until his renewal comes due each and every time.

      Reply

    • NeheraRorma says:

      01:04am | 02/12/10

      My questions are: Just how much can an agency legally charge you to allow coverage holder out of his automobile insurance?
      Simply how much does your agency cost when someone needs to stop and how much pressure do you use to maintain them?
      What are some tips or something we can say if our client has many months left on his current motor vehicle insurance policy? Definitely, all of us are not going to hold back until his renewal comes due each and every time.

      Reply

    • NeheraRorma says:

      02:48am | 02/12/10

      My queries are: The amount can an agency legally cost you to let coverage holder out of his car insurance?
      Simply how much does your agency charge when someone would like to terminate and how much pressure do you use to keep them?
      What are some ideas something like that we can say if our customer has several months remaining on his existing auto insurance policy? Surely, many of us are not going to hold back until his renewal comes due each and every time.

      Reply

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      10:41pm | 23/03/11

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