It seems almost cruel. The happier your pigs, the better the bacon, according to this story on

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Apparently the British Pig Executive are helping out by providing toys for the pigs, which makes them less stressed and more tasty. It’s the reverse of evolutionary processes that make some creatures and plants poisonous or bitter in order to save themselves from the ravening hordes.

Welcome to your Monday morning. Are you feeling stressed? Does bacon make you happy? What else is on your mind?

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    • P. Walker says:

      05:47am | 08/10/12

      It’s the reverse of evolutionary processes that make some creatures and plants poisonous or bitter in order to save themselves from the ravening hordes.

      This funny Walt Disney line has been pushed by the Bambi brigade for decades.  No plant or creature has ever had the intelligence to decide to make themselves unattractive to predators.  It was said that the zebra grew stripes because lions can’t single one out in a crowd, pfft.  If that’s the case why didn’t the giraffe do the same of the other plains creatures?  It just so happens that the stripes have saved them a little.  The cactus has survived simply because creatures found it difficult to eat.  Perhaps all the flora in the world should have decided to grow spines and make themselves poisonous to save themselves, silly buggars they are, no common sense these weeds.

      But on the other hand giving toys to pigs is what PETA would prefer since it will increase their intelligence and possibly turn us off that bacon roll.

    • fml says:

      07:24am | 08/10/12

      “No plant or creature has ever had the intelligence to decide to make themselves unattractive to predators.”


      except that every evolutionary trait is helpful for survival…..

    • Michael says:

      07:46am | 08/10/12

      Diversity, if they all grew spikes then a single evolutionary step by a predator could wipe out all of the plants that went spikey, so some produced more seed, others produced earlier or later, some became succulent and didn’t need so much water some others still became dormant and lived lives of boom and bust.

      There is a reason everything has worked together for so long, it’s because a single idea of what should be is human and wouldn’t have gotten the universe where it is today. That’s why people are only enabled the ability to mess with our own planet, safeguards against us exist in nature just like all of the other potential nasties that abound.

    • Anubis says:

      08:46am | 08/10/12

      @ P Walker - “giving toys to pigs is what PETA would prefer since it will increase their intelligence”

      Is that the intelligence of the pigs or the intelligence of PETA that will be increased?

    • Gregg says:

      08:49am | 08/10/12

      ” If that’s the case why didn’t the giraffe do the same of the other plains creatures? “
      The Giraffe liked the look of a long neck rather than stripes when the orders were being put in.
      Actually, it might have even been Noah that suggested they toss the stripes and grow the neck so as they could be the lookouts for Mount Ararat.

      Same deal on the plains, long neck and head way up there does a number of things for them:
      . looking out for predators
      . able to get some choice feed others can’t.
      . less muddied feet at waterholes when having a drink, less chance of being stuck and croc tucker.

      They can also comment on what the weather’s like up there.

    • Rose says:

      08:55am | 08/10/12

      The pigs Anubis, PETA is a lost cause when it comes to intelligence.

    • fml says:

      10:56am | 08/10/12

      “It was said that the zebra grew stripes because lions can’t single one out in a crowd, pfft.”

      Well it didn’t work for collingwood supporters so I don’t see why it would help for zebras.

    • Super D says:

      06:04am | 08/10/12

      What are the odds that the new ad free Alan Jones show will attract even more listeners than before?

    • Trevor says:

      06:26am | 08/10/12

      Very poor. The guy’s a bumbling arseclown.

    • Rolls Canardly says:

      06:46am | 08/10/12

      Yep. I’ve never listened to Alan Jones, but am heartened by the backlash to the high-handed sanctimony, and outright hypocrisy employed by the boycott crowd, who’ve never listened to him either.

    • ibast says:

      06:59am | 08/10/12

      It will only last a few weeks either way.

    • fml says:

      07:27am | 08/10/12

      Apparently he thinks his advertisers are victims of a cyber bullying conspiracy. Totally irrational and unaware it is a result of his own actions.

      How does one evolve to think that what he has to say is his constitutional right, yet anything that is said against him is defamatory, bullying and unacceptable?

    • lmf says:

      08:07am | 08/10/12

      The same way one thinks it’s acceptable to bully innocent advertisers who did nothing, but try and sell their brand, yet become subject to mob rule because hysterically screaming at people and telling them where they can advertise is now encouraged by the media and social networks.  Apparently you can force your views on others if you have enough ‘friends’ behind it.  One day, a big company may just sue such ‘social’ networks for causing damage to their business product.

    • Rose says:

      08:34am | 08/10/12

      lmf, you could see it that way or you could see it as the market economy working as it should. The market has the right to declare where money will be spent and on what grounds. If they choose to declare their intent to spend money only with companies that don’t advertise on Jones’ show, at least they are giving those advertisers the heads up. The advertisers then get to choose if they remain as sponsors of Jones or whether they make the commercial decision to advertise elsewhere. It’s not like the market has told these companies they cannot exist, or that they cannot advertise elsewhere, they have just said that in their terms of trade, advertising with Jones means they will not spend their money with these companies.
      I’m not exactly sure how that equates to cyber bullying…

    • fml says:

      09:07am | 08/10/12


      You do realise that without consumers those companies would be no where? You do realise that consumers are allowed to choose what products they wish to buy? You seem to be living in some conservative wonderland where the companies are the victims when consumers stop buying their products.

      “The same way one thinks it’s acceptable to bully innocent advertisers who did nothing, ” Except for sponsoring Alan Jones.

      “Apparently you can force your views on others if you have enough ‘friends’ behind it.” Democracy is a beautiful thing, how do you think elections are won?

      “One day, a big company may just sue such ‘social’ networks for causing damage to their business product. ” No that won’t happen, big companies actually realise the importance of marketing. That’s what this whole situation is about. They backed the wrong horse, now they are clamoring to get their customers back.

    • lmf says:

      09:17am | 08/10/12


      Your assessment of free market trade is very rudimentary, let’s say immature to say the least.


      How was the campaign run?  A week later, after two apologies and acknowledgement it was the wrong thing to do, it’s still here.  Why is that?  If we persecuted muslims or homosexuals in the same way, would it be acceptable?

    • fml says:

      09:46am | 08/10/12


      As opposed to your version where the consumers should be forced to buy products so those poor companies can continue to make massive profits while supporting neanderthals who insult grieving individuals?

      Maybe I miss-understood, maybe you can educate me?

    • Rose says:

      10:05am | 08/10/12

      The campaign was run openly and honestly, with the name ‘Wreck the Joint’ a play on Jones’ own words.
      The apologies were a waste of time, no one believed he is sorry, and no one believes he’s learnt anything from the fallout.
      As for persecution, Jones is not being persecuted, he is being held to account for comments that he made. It would also be true to say that he is being held to account, not just for his recent comments, but for his history of offensive and irrational abuse against the Prime Minister and all others who oppose him.
      Actually fml’s assessment of free trade is spot on, people get to choose where they spend their money and if Jones’ is a deal-breaker, then so be it.

    • Peter#1 says:

      10:23am | 08/10/12

      I am compelled to voice my concern at a disturbing trend that has emerged in Australian society in recent times.
      This has been brought to a head by the recent inappropriate, off-the-cuff comments by radio presenter, Alan Jones.
      Whilst the comments, made at a private function, were insensitive and hurtful to a daughter grieving the death of her father, the resultant confected outrage and righteous indignation by a gullible public and the subsequent move to silence Mr. Jones, I find quite disturbing.
      The gutless move by advertisers to withdraw their support for Alan Jones and the subsequent campaign of intimidation for advertisers who didn’t is abhorrent.
      All indicators point to a carefully orchestrated campaign to silence an influential critic of the current Federal government.
      This move to censor free speech and opinion is a threat to our democracy.
      The remark Mr. Jones made was callous and insensitive, but it was made at a private function and if we are to censor what we say in the privacy of our homes or in the company of friends, we are heading down a very slippery slope.
      Finally a word of advice to all the sheep who mindlessly follow. If you don’t like what Alan Jones says, tune your radio to a different frequency but you have no right to deny those who want to hear what he says!
      By the way, I have never listened to the Alan Jones program.

    • fml says:

      10:54am | 08/10/12


      “the resultant confected outrage and righteous indignation by a gullible public and the subsequent move to silence Mr. Jones, I find quite disturbing.”

      No what is disturbing is that Alan Jones and his supporters (you) do not see the irony (I could of used the term hypocrisy) in denouncing people using a public platform to exercise their freedom of speech while using similar platforms in exercise his freedom of speech.
      I can categorically tell you that no one is trying to silence Alan Jones, who has prevented him from speaking? has his shown been taken away? Has he been gagged? no.

      “The gutless move by advertisers to withdraw their support for Alan Jones and the subsequent campaign of intimidation for advertisers who didn’t is abhorrent.” No it’s not, they paid Alan jones to promote their product and to act in line with the companies values. What I find abhorrent is that you support people breaking contracts.

      “All indicators point to a carefully orchestrated campaign to silence an influential critic of the current Federal government.
      This move to censor free speech and opinion is a threat to our democracy.” Once again, there is no one trying to silence Alan Jones and democracy allows for both commentators and the public to exercise their thoughts, something which you obviously do not understand.

      “If you don’t like what Alan Jones says, tune your radio to a different frequency but you have no right to deny those who want to hear what he says! ” I actually people are allowed to listen to him and criticise him if they so wish.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:18am | 08/10/12


      Any business earning profits from my expenditure will not get my money if their profits are going to be used to pay for political speech which in my opinion is against my interests.

      It’s called the free market. The right used to support such ideas until they were taken over by the DLP.

    • Rose says:

      12:16pm | 08/10/12

      Peter#1, the comments were not made at a private function. Tickets were sold to members of the public, thereby making it a PUBLIC function.
      I’m not sure why Alan Jones getting a bit of his own medicine back would upset you so much. The man has long played with fire and this time he got burnt, apparently it was a risk he was prepared to take.
      Alan Jones routinely censors callers to his own show, not allowing any one through who can articulate an objection to his ramblings. No one is censoring him, he still has his show, he can still spew his bile, it’s just that a whole pile of Australians have now said quite clearly that they will no longer support those who support Jones. There is nothing stopping advertisers continuing to advertise on his show, they just know that doing so will alienate a whole stack off people, but it is still their choice to make.
      I see the blanket ban on advertising on his show as 2GB showing their own confected outrage, nothing there but a radio station doing their level best to manipulate public opinion back into their own favour.

    • Chris L says:

      12:26pm | 08/10/12

      I don’t get why people find it so difficult. Jones is free to say what he wants and people are free to be outraged by it. People are free to not spend their money with certain businesses and those businesses are free to change their marketing to try to reclaim the spending habits of those people.

      Where, in all of this, is the conspiracy?

      If the government was stepping in to censor Jones I would be outraged just as I am against Internet Censorship. However, this is not the case and I don’t see what people think they’ll gain by pretending Jones is some sort of victim here.

    • nihonin says:

      01:00pm | 08/10/12

      ’ If we persecuted muslims or homosexuals in the same way, would it be acceptable?’

      No idea lmf, maybe we could ask Trevor.  By the looks of it he is denigrating homosexuals, by naming Jones an arseclown.

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:09pm | 08/10/12

      I thought we were already persecuting Muslims ever since 9/11 and Homosexuals since Jesus played halfback for Manly?

    • fml says:

      01:11pm | 08/10/12

      “’ If we persecuted muslims or homosexuals in the same way, would it be acceptable?’”

      Isn’t that Jones’s bread and butter?

    • P. Walker says:

      03:30pm | 08/10/12

      Hmmm, there could be an enormous backlash here.  I expect more of AJ’s listeners would be into luxury cars than those dunnydoor drivers, eh?  Could be a real boom for BMW, Audi and the like. 
      How many times has AJ apologized for what he said in a light hearted way at the private function??? 
      The PM is really getting mileage out of this.
      How many times have each and every one of us mumbled the same sort of sentiments at either side of politics?  I see here every day.  Hypocrites!

    • little annie says:

      06:53am | 08/10/12

      The spin about Alan Jones by the Labor aligned ABC is especially astounding. The latest crap about Mecedes Benz withdrawing sponsorship due to Jones is RUBBISH. Merc cancelled all advertising with 2 GB 3 weeks ago 2 weeks before his stupid comment! How good is our media!

      Also his car is part of his 2GB employment package and will be replaced its not from merc!

    • TimB says:

      07:11am | 08/10/12

      “Merc cancelled all advertising with 2 GB 3 weeks ago 2 weeks before his stupid comment! “

      It did? Now that’s interesting.

      Do you happen to have a link?

    • fml says:

      07:32am | 08/10/12


      All I have read has said that it was after the incident.

      “Also his car is part of his 2GB employment package and will be replaced its not from merc!”

      That is not what everyone is reporting, there are quotes that it will be repossessed from Mr Jones if he doesn’t give it back. But, It is entirely possible that the merc was given to the station which then handed to Mr Jones. Still they are entirely within their right to ask for it back than allow him to continue driving it. If Alan jones does not align with the values of the mercedes car company they have every right to take it back.

    • Bear says:

      08:18am | 08/10/12

      Unless you’re his p.a how do you know? The same was reported on sky. Way to cherry pick so called ABC ‘bias’.

    • Rose says:

      09:03am | 08/10/12

      WOW, who to believe, Mercedes or Alan Jones?

      A no-brainer I would have thought.

    • Chris L says:

      09:51am | 08/10/12

      I read about the merc repossession on

      ABC “bias” must be contagious!

    • fml says:

      12:43pm | 08/10/12

      So, Alan Jones is saying the honorable thing for Mr McCarthy to do is resign?


      TimB, the contract seems to have been cancelled before, but wasn’t the car only asked to be handed back, after? Or, have they asked the car to be handed back and reiterated (with more force) that Alan Jones should comply after he made the comments?

      Either way, asking for the communications officer to resign for asking back what is rightfully theirs, is quite rich. Poor sod has to drive his lexus now.

    • marley says:

      12:53pm | 08/10/12

      The thing I find odd is that Alan Jones says he had nothing to do with the deal on the car in the first place, that it was between the radio station and Mercedes, but now he’s laying into the Benz spokesman for not calling him personally about getting the car back.  Surely, if he had nothing at all to do with it, he should expect Benz to deal with the station and not with him.  Or am I missing something (other than Alan Jones’ giant sense of grievance).

    • nihonin says:

      01:03pm | 08/10/12

      Rose, fml…......................boom, wow I didn’t know egg was good for the skin (no matter how you spin it, you’ve been made fools of)  wink

    • TimB says:

      01:15pm | 08/10/12

      “Either way, asking for the communications officer to resign for asking back what is rightfully theirs, is quite rich. Poor sod has to drive his lexus now. “

      I don’t think that’s the issue. Rather the deliberate misrepresentation that the actions of Mercedes-Benz have come about because of what Jones said, when it is now clear that was not the case.
      Then instead of just calmly asking 2GB to give the car back as per standard procedure in such deals, they’ve instead gone squealing to the media pretending to all outraged with their demands that Jones ‘give back’ the car. It’s so they can look all tough and proactive, when the truth is they’re nothing of the sort.

      Whether or not those actions are worth the guy losing his job over is really between him and Mercedes (and not Jones), but you cannot deny that he’s been incredibly unprofessional in how he’s handled the situation.

    • fml says:

      01:38pm | 08/10/12


      ”  Whether or not those actions are worth the guy losing his job over is really between him and Mercedes (and not Jones), but you cannot deny that he’s been incredibly unprofessional in how he’s handled the situation.”

      I don’t think Alan Jones is in a position to complain about the level of professionalism shown by mercedes.

      “’ You big hero Mr McCarthy. How many phone calls did you make to me, you absolutely gutless wonder? None, none. Easy to shoot your mouth off and present an image which is completely untrue.”

      They beauty of the situation is that everything that Jones is accusing others of is something that he has done.

      “Shooting your mouth off and present an image which is completely untrue” Hahaha, this is gold.


      There are conflicting reports, there are articles which say that the contract ended before and mercedes are saying they asked for the car to be withdrawn on sunday. Neither the radio station nor mercedes will confirm, so until one company actually confirms this the egg is firmly in the egg holder. try again.

    • Rose says:

      01:45pm | 08/10/12

      “Former supporter Mercedes-Benz will confiscate Alan Jones’s $250,000 sponsored car, and has vowed to never again support the controversial broadcaster or his radio station 2GB.
      The carmaker expressed its strong distaste at Jones’s comment, revealed last week by The Sunday Telegraph, that Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s father, John Gillard, “died of shame” because of “lies” told by his daughter.
      “We want the car back, the deal is cancelled, it is over,” Mercedes-Benz’s corporate communications manager, David McCarthy, said.
      If the car is not returned, Mercedes will send someone to repossess it.
      Mercedes-Benz Australia-Pacific, owned by the Daimler Group, distanced itself from Jones and has cancelled all radio advertising .
      The Sunday Telegraph revealed last weekend Jones told a Sydney University Liberal Club dinner on September 22 that the prime minister’s 83-year-old father, John, “died of shame”.
      “We were appalled and shocked at the lack of respect (the comments) expressed,” Mr McCarthy said.
      Now the company has informed Jones it wants him to return the black 2012 S-Class Mercedes the broadcaster has been driving free.
      Should the vehicle not be returned by October 31, a Mercedes-Benz representative would collect it, he said.”

      The difference seems to be that Mercedes is now saying that they are cancelling ALL advertising with 2GB, never to be reinstated, and that they want their car back. Your link only makes this more obviously a 2GB said/ Merc said argument as it presents 2GB’s point of view, not verifiable fact.
      I’m still backing Mercedes as being the more ethical and believable out of the two companies!

    • dibatag says:

      07:10am | 08/10/12

      The ABC has included Alan Jones in it news every morning since the story broke, and try there best to somehow bring Abbott into it to, tho. just what he has to do whith it i fail to see, but that’s the left wing ABC all over.

    • BobC says:

      07:45am | 08/10/12

      Yes, I am a bit over all this, it has been going on too long. Isn’t it time Gillard showed a bit of leadership, accepted Jones’ apology and got on with her job? OK - what the guy said was obnoxious, hurtful and downright stupid, but is this honestly the type of Australia that we want to live in? It is time it was shortcircuited by putting the country first and personality tiffs last.

    • Rose says:

      09:01am | 08/10/12

      Why should she accept his apology? It didn’t appear sincere, was very forced and he qualified it with further attack on the Government.  I think she showed far more leadership by not allowing herself to be reduced to his level, in this case she has risen above it and has kept on doing her job.
      There is no way I would have accepted that pathetic excuse for an ‘apology’, I would have done exactly as she has done and wiped my hands of him!

    • Michael says:

      09:19am | 08/10/12

      Rose, in the olden days (a decade ago) accepting the apology of someone that has wronged you was considered an act of grace.
      No obligation what so ever to accept the apology but it is considered to be of a higher moral standard than the one whom has offended.

      To err is human to forgive is divine and all of that. The apology was not sincere though in my opinion, and accepting it or not, is of no consequence due to the lack of sincerity, again in my opinion.

    • Ben C says:

      09:32am | 08/10/12

      Gillard doesn’t have to accept his apology, she just has to come out and say that the media attention given to the comments is compounding her and her family’s grief. Surely the media will get the message.

    • MHT says:

      11:19am | 08/10/12

      What apology?

      Where did Jones say sorry? He didn’t, all he did was spin that he should not have said what he did, nowhere did he actually say sorry. The man is a low life bottom dwelling piece of scum that deserves all the criticism he receives. He is also a hypocrite of the highest order.

    • Rose says:

      03:45pm | 08/10/12

      Michael, I would prefer that people were honest and did not ‘accept’ apologies that are in no way genuine. The Prime Minister had no reason to grant Jones the courtesy of accepting his apology or his phone call. Fortunately we’ve moved on from the days where we did all these things just to keep up appearances. Gillard maintained the higher ground in this instance by not getting caught up in all the hoo-ha.
      That others in the ALP, Liberal Party and elsewhere are still using the comments and the fall out to promote their own agenda is just plain wrong.

    • Kipling says:

      07:16am | 08/10/12

      Happy pigs reminded me, why are there no major articles in any main stream media highlighting the sweethear deals from the State (NSW) government helping out those poor hard done by insurance companies?

      Some pretty major changes seem to be flying under the radar, changes that impact on families and workers in general.

      Changes to worker’s compensation recently would be saving insurance companies millions. A new levy being implemented (or at least planned to be implimented) in coming months will put a fire levy onto households. This levy has normally just been covered by insurance companies, because having a standing fire department also saves them money. Yet the State Government in its infinite wisdom has decided that households should bare the brunt of this cost now saving insurance companies more millions. Of course, policies will not be reduced.

      Whine about a Carbon Tax by all means, be loose with the facts about rising electricity costs as much as you like, but please, do not ignore the bleeding obvious when there are other costs being lumped on already stressed households for no other purpose than to help out a BIG business.

    • marley says:

      07:43am | 08/10/12

      I don’t have a problem with the fire levy change.  Why should I have to pay extra on my home insurance to cover the cost of protecting your uninsured home?

    • Inky says:

      07:52am | 08/10/12

      Well, from my recollection, it’s not a labour government, ergo we can’t possibly criticise them.

    • TimB says:

      08:05am | 08/10/12

      Wow. The ignorance on display here is staggering.

      The levy wasn’t ‘covered’ by insurance companies, it was simply collected by them on behalf of the government, then forwarded on. It’s a listed component of premiums. Think of it like the GST. If the government decided to remove that, would it be to help out big business? I think not.

      Under the current system, people paying for insurance were the ones contributing the FSL. Meaning those who choose not to insure their property still get the benefits of the system without contributing to the costs. The shift of FSL to a property-based tax means the costs are shared more fairly.

      But keep crying foul about the evil insurance companies if you want.

    • iansand says:

      08:28am | 08/10/12

      It was collected by insurers from their insured, although mandated by government.  It meant that prudent owners who insured their properties were subsidising imprudent owners who did not.  Collecting the levy as a component of council rates means that all property owners contribute.

      Makes sense to me.

      What made it worse was that, in time of natural disasters, insured people were able to have recourse to their insurance companies while the uninsured dipped into the publicly funded disaster relief schemes.  Doubly freeloading.

    • Marlon says:

      07:49am | 08/10/12

      RALLLLAAAAYY! Rally round the West Indies!
      Now and forever more!

      World Cup Champs 2012!

    • ibast says:

      08:29am | 08/10/12

      Of what sport?

    • AFR says:

      09:21am | 08/10/12

      Yes, 20/20 world champions - the Diet Coke of trophies.

      Next we’ll be hailing the next Rugby Sevens world champs…

    • Marlon says:

      11:15am | 08/10/12

      That’s what the purists were saying about 50 (60) over cricket when it first appeared as well. I’m sure in time the purists will accept t20 cricket, they just need a few decades more than regular folk

    • KH says:

      07:56am | 08/10/12

      I would just like to take this opportunity to say daylight savings sucks.  After waking at 4.45 instead of 5.45, I am already tired and the day hasn’t even got going yet…....................

    • marley says:

      08:25am | 08/10/12

      On the other hand,  my dog didn’t get me up this morning for his walk until 6:55.  It’s all good, as far as I’m concerned.

    • gobsmack says:

      08:46am | 08/10/12

      Did you forget to re-set your dog?

    • Gregg says:

      08:52am | 08/10/12

      You could always move to Queensland, not far from beautiful any day and perfect when it is exceeded.

    • Rose says:

      09:07am | 08/10/12

      Daylight savings is my favourite part of the year, it makes everything better an brighter.

    • AFR says:

      09:20am | 08/10/12

      Day light savings rocks.

      I had to wake a little earlier than usual for a meeting - 6am. In Sydney there was already light at that time, and tonight I look forward to walking the dig in daylight.

    • Chris L says:

      09:57am | 08/10/12

      I’m very pleased to not have DLS in QLD. It’s difficult enough to get to sleep during the depths of summer without leaving the aircon blowing, even worse when trying an hour earlier.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:07am | 08/10/12

      Thank goodness we don’t have daylight savings here in Brisbane…now my curtains won’t fade nor will the cows get distressed…..

    • Tim says:

      11:17am | 08/10/12

      Um doesn’t the time go forward?
      Why would you be waking earlier?

      Daylight savings should be all year round.

    • Inky says:

      11:40am | 08/10/12


      Yes, the clock go forward. Meaning the time says 5.45, but a week ago it would have been 4.45. We’ve lost an hour, and we don’t get it back until long after we’ve adjusted.

    • Chris L says:

      12:34pm | 08/10/12

      @TheRealDave - Nice one. Back in the eighties television stations had to trawl across the whole state before they could find someone to say something loopy about faded curtains and it’s been the only justification for DLS since.

      You do know that fiddling with your clock turns you blind, don’t you?

    • TimB says:

      12:45pm | 08/10/12

      Come on Chris, you didn’t detect the sarcasm in Dave’s post?

      Disappointed in you. Perhaps an extra hour of sleep would leave you more alert to this sort of thing on a Monday smile .

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:46pm | 08/10/12

      @ChrisL - even though Qld is a big state we don’t need to travel too far to get views like that….Old Joh might be dead but his ideals live on wink

    • Tim says:

      12:50pm | 08/10/12

      Ah so not really 4:45, just in KHs head.
      Well thats just another reason why we should have daylight saving all year round so people wouldn’t have to worry about changing clocks.

    • marley says:

      01:05pm | 08/10/12

      @Tim - but then what do I do about the dog?

    • Chris L says:

      01:24pm | 08/10/12

      @TimB - I guess I sound more petulant than I intended. I thought my finish was light hearted.

    • Mike C says:

      02:37pm | 08/10/12

      TheRealDave says:10:07am | 08/10/12

      So people in Brisbane keep cows?

    • Ally says:

      02:40pm | 08/10/12

      Aside from the few days of feeling like a zombie while adjusting to the time change, I fricken love daylight savings. Without it, down here in Hobart we’d be having sunrise at 4.30 at the height of summer.

      Long summer evenings in Tassie are glorious. Hurrah for daylight savings!

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:15pm | 08/10/12

      @Chris - I got it, although I wasn’t 100% sure, hence my catiious reply instead of posting along the lines of Tim. I gave you the benefit of the doubt wink

    • Rose says:

      03:18pm | 08/10/12

      Why would the change to daylight savings leave you feeling like a zombie for a few days? Truth be told I barely notice it. I definitely don’t feel any more tired than most other days.
      I’m not trying to be rude here, I just don’t understand how such a small variation in sleeping habits, on one night,  would make any noticeable difference.

    • Chris L says:

      04:23pm | 08/10/12

      Thanks Dave. I probably should have included a smiley face.

    • Bear says:

      07:59am | 08/10/12

      Alan jones entire existence has been created in the back of bullying people and now he’s screeching about bullies!? It’s called karma bitch! I think his head may explode if he has to talk in place of the usual 60% of his show that is ads.

    • Elphaba says:

      08:07am | 08/10/12

      Is it wrong that when I saw the Punch article mentioning the Big 4, this was the first thing I thought of?

      On topic, I don’t eat bacon.  I can’t stand the smell or taste.  Also, I feel weird about eating an animal that can be taught to play video games.  But that’s just me.

    • Loddlaen says:

      09:09am | 08/10/12

      Nope, I went there too!
      I was kind of disappointed that SW didn’t pull the big 4. But also glad when I remember how much Dave Mustaines voice irritates me raspberry

    • Elphaba says:

      09:44am | 08/10/12

      @Loddlaen, I was so sure they were going to get 4 from 4.  I would’ve liked to see Megadeth.  Still, I can’t complain.  I’m putting together my ‘must see’ list for Soundwave.  Aside from the obvious, I am really looking forward to Stone Sour & Duff McKagen. smile

    • Loddlaen says:

      09:58am | 08/10/12

      @Elphaba - I’m attending 3 just to ensure I get to see all the bands I want. Especially considering Metallica is a must see for every show! If you haven’t seen them before, I definitely recommend Cancer Bats. I will be at both Stone Sour and Duff McKagen!

    • Elphaba says:

      10:07am | 08/10/12

      I tried a bit of Cancer Bats (I’ve been plugging all the SW artists into my online radio, so it’ll spin up the stuff I’m not familiar with) - I didn’t love it.  It was a bit scream-y.  Can you recommend some tracks?

    • TimB says:

      10:14am | 08/10/12

      Your dislike of bacon continues to disappoint me Elph :( .

    • Elphaba says:

      10:21am | 08/10/12

      @TimB, it’s lucky I don’t come here to win friends then! wink

      My other favourite pot-stirring thing to do is ask people who screech about saving the whales, because they’re like, sooooo smart, why aren’t we saving pigs? 

      Free the pigs!! tongue laugh

    • Loddlaen says:

      11:06am | 08/10/12

      Hail Destroyer album is my favourite album. Check out Hail Destroyer, Sorceress and Lucifers Rocking Chair. They also have a great cover of Sabotage off another album. Have you jumped onto Spotify yet?

    • Elphaba says:

      11:13am | 08/10/12

      @Loddlaen, no, I haven’t, but you’re not the first to ask.  I’ve been using Pandora, which has been ok, but I might have to take another look at Spotify…

    • AdamC says:

      11:33am | 08/10/12

      Haha, I had forgotten about the aversion to bacon!

      Was it just bacon, or are all pork products off the agenda?

    • Inky says:

      11:38am | 08/10/12


      Isn’t that double dipping? You’re having a go at both ends :p

    • Jay2 says:

      12:16pm | 08/10/12

      Considering pigs have the intelligence of a dog, I’m not surprised that they find that their intensive farmed life utterly miserable. If one was caught keeping a dog confined and bred en masse in the same manner, they would most likely be looking at cruetly charges.
      Personal ethics aside, I also don’t eat any pork because the smell of it cooking (sorry people) reminds me of when I nursed burns victims. Not, btw, an insulting analogy of those people and pigs, but for my nose it was a strong familiarity in odour.
      Put me off for life.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:46pm | 08/10/12

      @Adam, pork in general.  The smell… blechh.  I get a strong reaction to it every time, so I avoid it.

      @Jay2, pigs are still used as human analogues in medicine sometimes, is that correct?  They eat dog in Vietnam.  I saw ready-to-cook puppy for sale. :(

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      03:03pm | 08/10/12

      Whales are of great importance to the function of arguably the largest ecosystem on the planet, domestic pigs are bred for our consumption and would cause damage to the environment if we ‘saved them’. Their ecological worth is zero.  Apples and Oranges.

      Bacon is the single greatest thing to exist ever.

    • Elphaba says:

      03:32pm | 08/10/12

      @Admiral *sigh* - it’s a joke.  Just mucking around, ok? No liberal animal views here, just joshing around…


      08:10am | 08/10/12

      Hi Punch Team,

      That is good to know and by the way but what if you happen to be a vegetarian?  Can you still get happy just the same way without eating bacon and the rest?  And can we say the same thing about cows and lambs?  Happier cows, better steaks and happier lambs better lamb chops as well? Only joking! Do you also have any other suggestions, recipes and potions for being ultimately and eternally happy?

      Well talking about being stressed, who isn’t really stressed these days?  Especially for the ones like yourselves on the Punch, putting in really long hours with this new idea of comments closing at 8 pm!  I personally find it a bit limiting at times, especially when we are in the mood to look back at recent articles as well as have the chance to comment during the evening hours!  When all the children are happily tucked in their beds and most parents get a bit of peace and quiet for some personal"me time”.

      I would like to know whose brilliant idea was that really and is it all about getting in all the comments by that time so that you can all sign off for the day? I thought newspapers and newspaper columnists actually worked 24 hours a day?  Well we all know that this isn’t really a newspaper but a news website.  Still the same difference really!

      I also personally would like to see more self help and improvement type articles to help all of us combat our worries when it comes to reducing our daily stress levels, if that is at all possible!  Because all these “she said and he said articles” are actually taking a heavy toll on our mental well being and stress levels.  Kind regards to your editors.

    • Gregg says:

      09:01am | 08/10/12

      There was an explanation given back when it was introduced Neslihan.
      Basically, though there are people who may find it better to post at different times, Punchers had found that the dark hours brought out the dark side of people, people flitting about in the shadows making all sorts of nuisances of themselves, spammers if you like and so the most effective way to counter The Punch being more a spamming place than it already is was considered to be controlling when posts can be made.

      Newspapers btw only get printed at particular times and then you can read them all week and it’s much the same with the punch, the articles still there to be read.
      If you want self help and improvement, get to know the word google a bit better and you will indeed find that the net is chockers on all sorts of topics, even developing a garden which is so good for stress.

    • Yak says:

      09:19am | 08/10/12

      Good morning Neslihan.

      With no daylight saving over here in Wait Awhile, our comments shut down at 5:00. Don’t get me wrong, daylight saving definitely doesn’t work well during the late summer months over here. Why we can’t have it during winter & spring when it would actually be useful, is beyond me.

      Even starting work at 5:00am it’s already 8 over East and acotrel, babylon, joan, et al have usually destroyed most articles with their venom by then.

      Have a wonderful, sunlit day.

    • Trevor says:

      08:13am | 08/10/12

      A little local conspiracy theory.

      So the air force have admitted that the burying of the F-111 fleet was ‘a bit of a lapse in judgememt’ and that the remaining aircraft will be delivered to aircraft museums around australia.

      Being a bit of an aircraft enthusiast, I’ve noticed that the ones that got buried were F-111Gs, while the older F-111Cs are the ones to be displayed. So what? Well the G version of that particular aircraft are purpose built for the delivery of nuclear weapons, bought from the US with the express purpose ‘of delivering a nuclear payload to Jakarta’.

      Anyone else reckon that the Gs were buried (not scrapped etc) to prevent any examination of them for traces of radioactivity that might give away Australia’s possession of nukes? I’ve always been suspect of that.

    • gobsmack says:

      10:02am | 08/10/12

      I’m surprised to learn that the RAAF has buried a fleet of F-111s.

      You’d think they could put them to some use - eg target practice.

    • Draconian says:

      01:19pm | 08/10/12

      Hi Trevor,

      My stepfather worked on the F111’s in the nineties.  From him, I was under the impression that although the G’s were superior to the C’s in many ways, the RAAF were under the impession that there was a degree of commonality between the two and therefore support costs would be kept to a minimum.  This proved not to be the case.

    • TRBNGR says:

      08:49am | 08/10/12

      Friday - Joe Bonnamasa and Warbringer (I hate doing double duty gigs, but sometimes you’ve gotta do it)
      Saturday - Steel Panther
      Sunday - Mushroom Planet (Aussie punk legends, first time in 25+ years!)

      Monday - Headaches, tired and pretty damned pleased with myself.

      Long live rock.

    • Loddlaen says:

      09:11am | 08/10/12

      How good was Steel Panther? I did both Sydney shows and the Saturday one was definitely the better of the two by fay!

    • Aidan says:

      09:51am | 08/10/12


      I was there on Saturday too.
      Easily one of the best shows I’ve ever seen!

      Hooray for boobies!!!

    • lmf says:

      09:33am | 08/10/12

      It’s not bullying but iansand, so long as they keep saying it, it’s not.

    • iansand says:

      09:58am | 08/10/12

      What is even more interesting is that they seem to have been taken down.  Bullying by someone?

    • Reg Whiteman says:

      12:22pm | 08/10/12

      Isn’t it wonderful how Alan, who has bullied and defamed any number of people for 25 years, gets all shrill and outraged when he cops payment in his own coin.

      There should be a law of “equal time” like there used to be in the USA (before Reagan abolished it). If we have to suffer Jones’ extreme right-wing rantings then he should be followed, for an equal amount of time, by someone with an opposite view.

      Is there such a thing as a “left wing” shock jock?

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:17pm | 08/10/12

      Actually Reg, a few years ago on 4BC up here in Brisvegas when Chris Adams was running the arvo ‘Drive time’ slot, every Friday arvo for about 2 hours he would have on ALP Stalwart Con Sciacca and the LNPs Mal Brough (this was during the Howard years) and there was QUALITY conversation going on. No screaming and finger pointing and talking over each other, but actual polite dialogue. On some things they agreed on others they disagreed. If they didn’t agree they articulated why and what they woulddo instead etc I used to look forward to tuning in.

      But then 4BC when into full mouthpiece mode for the LNP and they brought Michael Smith in to stir up the local rednecks and dropkicks and I don’t listen as much anymore. Now they have an ex-LNP guy in the afternoon chair - just to make it official I suppsoe instead of pretending. Occasionally they rope in Chris Admas as a fill in when someone is away, which is a shame, because he’s brilliant. An old school honest to goodness actual journalist.

    • fml says:

      09:25am | 08/10/12

      Quote from Jon Stewart’s debate with Bill O’Reilly.

      “Why is it that if you take advantage of a corporate tax break you’re a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of something so you don’t go hungry, you’re a moocher?” -Jon Stewart.

      So true, It seems the more money you take from the government the greater entrepreneurial skills you exhibit.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:23am | 08/10/12

      Watching Bill O’Reilly insisting the Fox News (and his program) is so successful because it equally gives voice to conservative and liberal voices nearly gave me an aneurysm.

      So… much… bullsh!t…

    • fml says:

      10:37am | 08/10/12

      He equally talks over all his guests and equally calls them unpatriotic.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:50am | 08/10/12

      @fml, that’s true, at least there is some equality.

      He is such a twat.  They all are.  We have an American manager at work and the TV in his office is tuned to Fox News all day.

      Did you know, that a Democrat did/said something today/yesterday/last month/years ago and the presenter/guest/commentator on Fox News isn’t in favour of it?


    • fml says:

      11:11am | 08/10/12

      Didn’t you know if you repeat “Fair and Balanced” Ad Nauseum, it eventually becomes Fair and Balanced!

    • Elphaba says:

      11:26am | 08/10/12

      @fml, I do know hearing that repeated is going to drive me to the funny farm… *shakes head*.

      I do love his commitment to believing in fair reporting.  That’s how the best fanatics get people on their side.

    • Inky says:

      12:12pm | 08/10/12

      Well, lets not forget that Bill O’Reilly gave us one great thing: Steven Colbert

    • lmf says:

      03:31pm | 08/10/12

      lmf says: 09:33am | 08/10/12

      It’s not bullying but iansand, so long as they keep saying it, it’s not.

      fml says: 11:11am | 08/10/12
      Didn’t you know if you repeat “Fair and Balanced” Ad Nauseum, it eventually becomes Fair and Balanced!

      Not even an original thought in his head.

    • Chris L says:

      04:26pm | 08/10/12

      @LMF - So you’re the person who coined the phrase “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” eh? I would reveal your true identity but I don’t want to fall afoul of Godwin’s law.

    • Subtitle says:

      09:34am | 08/10/12

      When a woman wins back custody of her children after the father has taken them for two years, does anyone turn up at the mother’s house reporting on how bad things are because they have been taken from their father?

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:11am | 08/10/12

      Australian media camped outside the front gates - its bloody disgraceful. Leave them alone for Christsakes so the father can try and start rebuiling his relationships with his children.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:17am | 08/10/12

      Ahh the Alan Jones saga.  The gift that keeps on giving.

      Here we have a man who has built his name, reputation and fortune on the back of encting mob hatred and bullying who’s now calling foul that people take exception to his latest scandal. Mr Jones, people exercising their right to protest your continual platform to spew your bile and hatred is not, I repeat - NOT Bullying. Its called Democracy, Alan. ‘We the People’ can use social media to help organize and channel our disgust at you and your ilk just as other special interest groups have for decades.

      Jones is a corporate shill and the best way to hit him and his corporate backers is in their hip pockets - which is exaclty whats happening and now they are screaming like stuck pigs. They don’t like it and they cannot control it - which means its working.

      ‘We the People’ in action. Love it!

    • Dragon says:

      10:46am | 08/10/12

      I agree. As far as he’s concerned, he brings to minf an old proverb from grandpas day.

      “Greater people have suffered harsher fates”

      You poor victim Alan. Don’t you realise that by attempting to now make yourself the victim of the very type of nastyness that you have built a career on the back of makes you Australias # 1 hypocrite too? Fool. It is indeed the gift that keeps on giving…

    • Gregg says:

      12:54pm | 08/10/12

      It would seem that more and more of our elderly are not able to enjoy some juicy or crisp bacon so regularly.
      There was a report on the ABC Midday News that Silver Crime as it was called is on the increase in all states other than Tasmania and reasons being given are nothing else than rising costs of living.

      It is a sad indictment of our society that it can not cope too well with elderly people being afforded a reasonable standard of living.
      And then as someone had reported on seeing, we have people being served bacon and eggs for breakfast on Nauru, all paid for by taxpayers including the cooking of it.

      Whatever Julia Gillard’s dad thought of her policies and performance of the government, there are no doubt so so many completely aghast at the disdain that this government has for the longer term residents of this country who no doubt have either personally or as a member of a family seen much more tax paid than any recent arrivals inviting themselves in.

      When will this government get totally serious about putting an end to this blight on their governance for Australia.

    • Lorraine says:

      03:10pm | 08/10/12

      If we didn’t eat bacon, there would be no pige. They would be an extinct animal.
      Farmers breed them because they are a profitable crop.
      Get real!

    • P. Walker says:

      03:58pm | 08/10/12

      Love it Lorraine, but here’s heaps of ferals and wild boar; extinction?  Nah.  Hope not, they’re so tasty and they know it!

    • stephen says:

      05:16pm | 08/10/12

      Pigs make good pets.
      Friendly, and they are not dirty at all.

    • P. walker says:

      05:53pm | 08/10/12

      OK stephen, they make good, tasty, clean, pets, and they know that too!

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:21pm | 08/10/12

      (Lisa) “I’m going to become a vegetarian”
      (Homer) “Does that mean you’re not going to eat any pork?”
      “Yes Dad”
      “Dad all those meats come from the same animal”
      “Right Lisa, some wonderful, magical animal!”

    • stephen says:

      05:03pm | 08/10/12

      A couple of kids nearly bit into a brownie that was laced with toilet cleaner.

      ‘Hey mate, yer lookin’ a bit flushed’.


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