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    • Elphaba says:

      05:52am | 02/11/12

      A giraffe’s nose!  grin

    • Louie the Fly says:

      06:12am | 02/11/12

      A baby giraffe licking a carved pumpkin.

    • Chris L says:

      08:08am | 02/11/12

      That’s just silly.

    • Gregg says:

      09:08am | 02/11/12

      What’s so silly Chris?
      That head shot looks as though it could be a very young giraffe that might just think the pumpkin is something like a mothers breast, just a bit more exciting with a new flavour.
      It’s probably a totally new sexual experience for giraffebub.

    • Mouse says:

      03:42pm | 02/11/12

      ChrisL, no sillier than tribbles! LOL, I just love them though, soft and furry and purrrrrrrring little things they are! lol :o)

      Gregg, a new experience?? *blush*  lol :o)

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      04:02pm | 02/11/12

      It is clearly some kind of parasitic man/ duck hybrid bred in a lab to be used as footsoldiers in the impending lizard people invasion. Idiots.

      I can’t explain the pumpkin. It could be a sex thing.

    • Chris L says:

      04:23pm | 02/11/12

      @Mouse - I’d believe the picture was about tribbles if there were a few hundred more of them.

      @Gregg - I don’t remember being a baby but I certainly hope suckling never became a sexual experience! The only person I can think of that might be turned on by the taste of pumpkin would be Joh Bjelke-Petersen.

    • nihonin says:

      06:14am | 02/11/12

      Last day for me where I work, time to be moving on to something totally different.  Decided to go back to sub contracting, but this time as a vehicle pilot, not as a plasterer.  Chances of posting here on the Punch will be limited, but I will definitely be reading opinions and comments when I can.

    • LMAO says:

      07:42am | 02/11/12

      I would have sacked you if you’d spent all day commenting on the internet during company time too.

    • acotrel says:

      08:14am | 02/11/12

      Sorry to see you go.  I always enjoyed your comments.  Good luck with the new job - should be relatively stress free.

    • Mouse says:

      08:35am | 02/11/12

      Ooooh, that’s exciting for you! Hope it all goes well, as I am sure it will. Will miss your subtle (and sometimes not so subtle! lol) comments.  At least there are weekends for you to get into it.  ;o)

    • Yak says:

      09:02am | 02/11/12

      All the best with your new venture, nihonin. Maybe you could start a new trend for Pilot Vehicles by being closer than 2 k’s from your load and I would love to see the Pilot come out into the road as far as the loaded vehicle, that way the oncoming traffic has an idea as to just how wide the bugger is and how far off the road I should be expecting to be.

      Brush up on your profanities and delivery style as there are a lot of dickheads on the road and most of them will be attempting to pass you on a blind bend. Good hunting.

    • andye says:

      09:12am | 02/11/12

      Good luck. Why a vehicle “pilot”?

    • DJ says:

      09:23am | 02/11/12

      best of luck

    • fml says:

      09:49am | 02/11/12

      All the best nihonin.

    • Mr Mustela says:

      10:17am | 02/11/12

      Live long and prosper nihonin
      At least now you can drop the pretense of being a swinging voter.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      10:37am | 02/11/12

      Nnnnoooooooo!!!! Your the only one that I’ve made wet their pants. smile I bet this is just a gag…... I hope :(

    • nihonin says:

      10:52am | 02/11/12

      LMAO, funny thing bout that, my ‘ex’ boss knows and doesn’t mind, I do my job efficiently enough to allow me time to read and post.

      acotrel, I’ll still be round, not as much though, when i can I’ll stay post, besides who’s going to ‘contradict’ you.  wink  Cheers

      Mouse, thanks, I’ll still post when I can.

      Yak, I have previously done a bit of pilot work, and I agree with your comment about going as wide as the truck on entry, but unfortunately road rules are rules and pilots are restricted to when and how they can break.  All the best for the future.

      andye, something a little different after working in an office for 7 years, plus I can be a bit of a ‘bald nomad’ with vehicle pilot work.

      DJ, cheers mate keep up the good work.  wink

      Thanks fml, will try and post when I can, but will keep an eye out for your comments.

      Mr Mustela (badger or nossy), thanks as well, hope life treats you well and I am a swinger.

    • ausspud says:

      11:12am | 02/11/12

      A vehicle pilot aye,that’s a new one,but then again they have nail technicians wink
      Enjoy & see you whenever grin

    • nihonin says:

      11:55am | 02/11/12

      ausspud, maybe while I’m waiting round for the truck to loaded or unloaded I could be a ‘nail technician’, bit of dosh in that I reckon, I’ll even put on an Asian accent.  wink  cheers

    • LMAO says:

      12:20pm | 02/11/12

      Funny thing about that is that they never considered whether you could have been more efficient.

    • nihonin says:

      01:22pm | 02/11/12

      LMAO surely your screen name is a paradox?

    • Mahhrat says:

      06:34am | 02/11/12

      Got a nice little present this morning:  a closed Alpha key for Crysis 3. 

      I guess that makes up a little for yesterday’s disappointing Star Wars news.

      See how my year-old battlestation handles the Crytek engine, eh?

    • ibast says:

      08:59am | 02/11/12

      I truly have no idea what you are talking about.

    • andye says:

      09:13am | 02/11/12

      I have Crysis 2 sitting around somewhere in my Pile Of Shame. I liked the first one but for some reason lost interest during the second…

    • ausspud says:

      11:17am | 02/11/12

      I think his talking about his morning glory & his year long struggle to get it’s engine going wink
      Apologies in advance.

    • Trevor says:

      06:36am | 02/11/12

      A still from a Romanian lesbian porno film? They have some pretty hairy people there from what I’ve heard?

    • TimB says:

      06:54am | 02/11/12

      About a quarter of the way through A Dance with Dragons.

      Griff. Holy crap.

      That is all.

    • TP says:

      11:03am | 02/11/12

      A dance with dragons?
      Is this some new terminology for taking a dump?

      Somethings are better kept to yourself.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:34am | 02/11/12

      Is that a comic book?

    • TimB says:

      12:32pm | 02/11/12

      Oh dear oh dear. It must suck being so terribly ignorant.

      C’mon, TRDave, Elphaba I know you guys are around. Enlighten poor Badger and Freddo.

    • Anubis says:

      12:54pm | 02/11/12

      A Dance with Dragons by George RR Martin from the series of books “A song of Ice and Fire”

    • James1 says:

      12:55pm | 02/11/12

      I’m about three quarters through.  Just wait, Tim, the future has some awesome things in store for you.  I must say though, I could never have predicted that particular twist.  Certainly complicates matters.

      On the other hand, I have a feeling that a bunch of sympathetic characters are about to have some bad things happen to them, so I read every chapter with great trepidation.

    • TimB says:

      01:30pm | 02/11/12

      “I must say though, I could never have predicted that particular twist”

      How could anyone have predicted that? There was no reason to, it was so far out of left field.

      It just leaves me wondering, did Martin plan this from the start or is he just pulling this stuff out of his butt as he goes along?

    • Michael says:

      07:00am | 02/11/12

      Giraffe licking a pumpkin, hopefully because the left over pumpkins were donated to zoos to feed the herbivores.

    • Mr. Jordon says:

      07:01am | 02/11/12

      I see that Andrew Bolt is singing the praises of Alison Anderson this morning.

      I have posted a question on his blog that I know he will not post. So I’ll ask it here.

      Why is it that Andrew Bolt challenges the Aborginality of those that he considers Left wing that made comments the he disagrees with but he doesn’t challenge the Aboriginality of those that he considers Right wing and make comments that he agrees with?

    • marley says:

      07:48am | 02/11/12

      @Mr. Jordan - if I recall the whole mess correctly, Bolt was trying to argue that various awards and scholarships intended to address aboriginal disadvantage were going to people who identified as aboriginal but who had not experienced any particular disadvantage because they had not come from “traditional” aboriginal backgrounds and had only distant connections to their aboriginal roots.

      I know he got some of his facts wrong, but I tend to agree with his basic point - that people who’ve grown up in urban, middle class Australia with all the usual advantages, shouldn’t be getting special treatment. Leave the awards for those in remote or rural aboriginal communities who really need the help.  Need, not an aboriginal grandparent, should be the determining factor in who gets the scholarships.

      As for Anderson, well, she’s a lot closer to those aboriginal roots than Larissa Behrendt.  She was born and spent her early years in remote and/or rural aboriginal communities, not in middle-class white Australia.  Like her or not, I don’t see that anyone can challenge her aboriginality on any grounds.

    • TheRealDave says:

      07:49am | 02/11/12

      Why ask questions you already know the answer to??


    • fml says:

      08:04am | 02/11/12

      That’s not racist, a persons genetic makeup has everything to do with them disagreeing with him.. Geez, these first generation Australian’s born to Dutch parents in South Australia.

    • acotrel says:

      08:16am | 02/11/12

      It will be interesting if he ever comments on Sandy ! ( - Jerk.)

    • DJ says:

      08:18am | 02/11/12

      I think you know the answer to that question grin

    • ibast says:

      09:04am | 02/11/12

      I do wonder if Bolt really isn’t just a Labor stooge.  His arguments are just so ridiculous and extreme that surely it’s some sort of satire.  Surely he’s just highlighting how fanatical the right/conservatives are.  He must love it when all these fanatics come out of the wood-work in agreement with him.  It just makes his whole song and dance so much sweeter.

    • Michael says:

      09:15am | 02/11/12

      FML, defining a person in anyway that references the construct of race is in fact racial and therefore racist.

      Positive racism and negative racism, both racism. That’s equality.

    • TimB says:

      09:41am | 02/11/12

      @ Marley, as ever you are the voice of reason. Well stated.

      Too bad other commenters aren’t able to move past the whole “OMG BOLT IS RACIST!” knee-jerk reaction.

    • fml says:

      09:50am | 02/11/12


      I have no problem with that. smile

    • DJ says:

      10:31am | 02/11/12

      @TimB - when Bolt starts making nuanced arguments i will make nuanced responses to him

    • fml says:

      10:35am | 02/11/12


      As opposed to the redefinition of racism to the extent that traditional forms of racism can rationalised to be virtually non-existent, even when the situation may call for it…

      Marley has made some good points, and there may even be a glimmer of a relative moral view in Bolt’s argument, but as much as people like to rationalise bolt’s inelegance when making a point, he uses race as a point and does so inconsistently seemingly with those that he agrees with.

      Also, it is blatantly obvious that your “OMG BOLT IS RACIST” comment (which incidentally has not been said) is an attempt to paint as extreme any rational comment people may have relating to the ethics of Bolt’s comments.

    • TimB says:

      10:48am | 02/11/12

      But the nuanced argument was there. Marley got it after all. Why couldn’t you?

    • Mr. Jordon says:

      11:20am | 02/11/12

      marley says: 07:48am | 02/11/12

      Andrew Bolt has question the Aboriginallity of many people not just those that get a government handout. Usually it’s based on skin colour but he also go onto the genealogy of those people well. But it is never against those he considers of the Right.

      Why? Why target one group but not the other?

      Nobody seems to be able to address this point. It seems to me to be a case of politically motivated racism.

      And as I predicted my question has not been posted on a lots blog but a lot of racist comments have been.

    • DJ says:

      11:36am | 02/11/12

      @TimB - At one time I would read Bolt but decided that I didn’t want to add to the traffic on his website and thereby make him more profitable. I don’t think his argument about Bernhardt et al was naunced at all as he clearly did not do his research, it is not for me or others to question the heritage of another.

      Marley makes a reasonable point about urban dwellers access to scholarships and the like but I disagree as the more role models out there the better for now. I lived in Darwin for a number of years and can atest that living in a urban area is no advantage!

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:39am | 02/11/12

      “Marley got it after all. Why couldn’t you? “

      marley is correct because TimB agrees with marley. TimB is correct because marley agrees with TimB . . .  and so it goes . . .

    • TimB says:

      12:03pm | 02/11/12

      “Also, it is blatantly obvious that your “OMG BOLT IS RACIST” comment (which incidentally has not been said) is an attempt to paint as extreme any rational comment people may have relating to the ethics of Bolt’scomments. “

      Is it? Try reading Mr Jordan’s latest comment.

    • fml says:

      12:47pm | 02/11/12


      Mr. Jordan’s point remains unanswered. Why does bolt inconsistently argue that genetic makeup is an issue with peoples whose ideology he disagrees with, yet it is not an issue with people whose ideology he agrees with?

      This question is hardly the cry of “OMG BOLT IS RACIST”, but rather an interesting observation. I understand marley’s point that economic background should be used as a means test for scholarships, but I think this can be argued without the need for discussing someones genetic makeup. Bolt’s point is that he is using genetic makeup as a reason why an award should not be given and it seems that the economic background is an unintended consequence.

    • OT says:

      12:56pm | 02/11/12

      @Blind Freddy
      too right!

      “You can always spot a well informed man—his views are the same as yours.”
      —Ilka Chase

    • TimB says:

      02:09pm | 02/11/12

      “I understand marley’s point that economic background should be used as a means test for scholarships, but I think this can be argued without the need for discussing someones genetic makeup”

      It really can’t, because one of the pre-requisites for those scholarships is that the person be of indigenous background. The issue arises because of this automatic assumption that somehow ‘indigenous=disadvantaged’ that occurs when the scholarship rules are put together. Instead of specifying criteria that reflects the intended purpose of the scholarship, the criteria has been reduced to a question of racial identity. (Personally I think that’s wrong in and of itself. Positive discrimination is still discrimination).

      But the point is, once racial identity becomes the critical factor in determining the eligibility of people for these things, questions like the ones Bolt asks are inevitable. They might not be paticularly PC, but they are valid.

      But instead of discussing a thorny issue like rational adults, we end up with legal stoushes in the name of racial vivlication. Absurd.

      ..But back to your original question:

      “Why does bolt inconsistently argue that genetic makeup is an issue with peoples whose ideology he disagrees with, yet it is not an issue with people whose ideology he agrees with?”
      I think that Mr Jordan is over-simplifying the issue. Bolt isn’t running around calling out each and every one of his ideological opponents who identify as Aboriginal just for the sake of calling them out. As Marley pointed out, Bolt was raising the question with respect the scholarship issue specifically. It’s not a case of Bolt saying ‘I disagree with you, therefore I will question your identity’. And that’s what Mr Jordan seems to be implying.

      Unless he can prove Bolt is doing exactly that, then his accusation of a double standard doesn’t have weight.

    • marley says:

      02:26pm | 02/11/12

      @Mr. Jordan - I don’t follow Bolt so the only issue I know of is the one which ended up in court.  I can’t comment on what he’s said about others.  But I’ve explained my understanding of what the reasoning that got him into court was.

      As to not questioning the aboriginality of “conservative” aborigines, possibly it’s because the more prominent ones (Noel Pearson, Bess Price, etc) have a similar background to Anderson, have actually grown up in disadvantaged aboriginal communities, and remain closely connected to them, unlike at least a few of his “targets” from the court case.

    • marley says:

      02:44pm | 02/11/12

      The point I was trying to make was that I thought, at least for the court case, Bolt was trying to argue that special programs and awards for aborigines should be allotted on the basis of need rather than heritage.

      For myself, I do think there’s a need for these kinds of programs - but I think giving these awards to urban middle class aborigines is a bit of a travesty.  If we’re going to overcome aboriginal disadvantage, then for god’s sakes, give the awards to disadvantaged aborigines who need the help to get ahead, rather than to city slickers for whom the award is far less critical. 

      It just seems to me that a lot of the awards on offer, and the way they’re awarded, are designed to make the donors feel good, without actually contributing to solving the problems of remote and regional aboriginal communities.

    • TimB says:

      02:48pm | 02/11/12

      Ergh *vilification.

      Meant to correct that before I posted. Oops.

    • fml says:

      02:49pm | 02/11/12

      “It really can’t, because one of the pre-requisites for those scholarships is that the person be of indigenous background. “

      Yes it is, it is up to the people who hand out the scholarship to define the rules, not bolt. Of course he is allowed his say.

      “Instead of specifying criteria that reflects the intended purpose of the scholarship, the criteria has been reduced to a question of racial identity. ” I think that is simplifying the issue as well, its a scholarship for people of aboriginal descent, you do not get the scholarship over non-aboriginals merely based on your genetic makeup.

      Bolt is reducing the issue down to the “fair skinned”. So where does it say that aboriginals cannot be fair skinned? I guess if we are going by simplistic views, I would never be considered australian because I have brown skin. Why is it Australians can get an english passport if their grandfather is english and also irrespective of colour? Why is it that if they had an aboriginal grandfather but are fair skinned Bolt will consider them to be ‘less’ aboriginal?

      The issue should be about economic circumstance, or even as other scholarships are determined by the best in the community. It is not true that these scholarships are based purely on genetic makeup or economic status, despite how much Bolt wishes to reduce it such.

      Well, with the racial vilification, It’s not an issue of freedom of speech its an issue of professionalism. There you had 9 successful aboriginal members, some may say pillars of their community, and Bolt reduced their achievements to being due to nothing more than a skin colour and furthered this by writing untruths in national publications.

      “‘I disagree with you, therefore I will question your identity’.” Well no, its not entirely that simple, and most probably not that insidious, but he did disagree with them and he did question their cultural identity and said their achievements were due to the positive discrimination they received. He should of focused on the requirements for the scholarship, but he made it a point to discuss their genetic makeup.

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      03:11pm | 02/11/12

      The guy is a walking hypocrite and dog whistler, don’t know how people can agree with what he writes. The only people that actually enjoy is stuff just go there to find like minded rednecks.

      I read him everyday to see whats going on in the dark side and to have a laugh on occasions.

      The sad part is, he could be fairly influential if he wasn’t such a simplistic twat.

    • Mr. Jordan says:

      04:04pm | 02/11/12

      TimB says: 02:09pm | 02/11/12

      When Anthony Mundine attacked Daniel Geale over indigenous heritage Andrew Bolt said that Mundine was saying what he couldn’t.

      This had nothing to do with welfare entitlements. And Andrew failed to note that Mundine had a white mother and the he was being hypocritical.

      True this situation was not about left and right politics. But it was about Andrew not challenging someone that he agrees with.

    • TimB says:

      05:10pm | 02/11/12

      Funny Simon, reverse all of that appropriately, and you’ll get my feelings about why I bother reading Bob Ellis’s dribble smile .

    • Interesting says:

      06:38pm | 02/11/12

      Interesting that all the ‘aborigines’ that agree with Mr Jordan and Simon et at are fair (less likely to encounter bigotry) and rich.

    • sunny says:

      07:08am | 02/11/12

      A passionate interracial tongue snog?

    • fml says:

      08:12am | 02/11/12

      I’d be worried If I kissed a pumpkin and felt a tongue..

    • sunny says:

      11:16am | 02/11/12

      Haha I’d be pleasantly surprised.

      “Ooh Pumpkin - frisky!”

    • Economist says:

      11:21am | 02/11/12

      Cory Bernardi and Bernie Finn are in uproar! the sign of things to come vegiality/ fruitialty.

    • sunny says:

      12:01pm | 02/11/12

      Well if someone wanted to marry a pumpkin I wouldn’t be against it, but definitely not an artichoke -that’s just wrong - and they don’t have much of a personality anyway.

    • fml says:

      01:17pm | 02/11/12

      I’ve got to stop calling the missus, pumpkin. She might get ideas in her head about unions and such. Sunny, do you suggest I call her artichoke?

    • sunny says:

      01:48pm | 02/11/12

      fml - she might throw an artichoke at you if you call her that ..and some of those artichokes are as solid as a brick.

    • Mouse says:

      03:51pm | 02/11/12

      sunny, the mind boggles! lol
      Does that make the baby giraffe a vegan in the making then? :o/
      fml, better an artichoke than a pineapple then, if the missus throws it at you I mean. Those things are just plain scary. A bit like clowns really!!  lol ;o)

    • Sickemrex says:

      07:26am | 02/11/12

      What’s with the current lolly orgy?

    • Ian1 says:

      07:30am | 02/11/12

      An elk?  A mouse?

      Powerlessness has been on my mind lately, and whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer.

    • Mouse says:

      08:31am | 02/11/12

      Goodness gracious Ian1, how on earth can you get a mouse out of that pic? LOL
      Powerlessness is a state of mind or, on another tangent, mind over matter.  If you don’t mind then the problem don’t matter…. so to speak. We are only bound by our own limitations and should not let those things we cannot change become barricades in our life. Learn to accept that and life becomes a little easier to get through.
      Hey, it’s the weekend coming up, the sun is shining and I can still go to the toilet by myself! That’s pretty much a winner in my book!!  lol :o)

    • Michael says:

      08:34am | 02/11/12

      A fellow named Lao Tse (Lao Tzu) had a few interesting ideas about that sort of thing.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      10:44am | 02/11/12

      Might use that Mouse….. smile

    • Ian1 says:

      03:39pm | 02/11/12

      Freudian slip Mouse, I meant Moose.  Mouse must have been on my fingertips for some reason.

      Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching - a good read.  Be like water and seek the middle path.  Not that this is a religious forum.

    • Mouse says:

      03:55pm | 02/11/12

      pa_kelvin, use away! lol :o)

      Careful Ian1, I’m a bit ticklish. lol xoD

    • Rolls Canardly says:

      07:30am | 02/11/12

      The American press corps (or our own ABC), practising for Obama’s back door…

    • Anubis says:

      09:45am | 02/11/12

      I will add mine too. - Be involved and help the causes of research into Prostate Cancer, depression and other illnesses.

      This is my 7th year of participation and I am aiming to exceed my previous best fund raising efforts.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:49am | 02/11/12

      Done for Loddlaen & Anubis. 

      I’ve got a LOT of people growing mos this year, so everyone is getting the ‘gold coin equivalent’ donation this time around.  Otherwise I will be in hock trying to cure prostate cancer.

      pa_kevin, yours isn’t working, you might want to send the actual profile page for yourself, like the others have…

    • Anubis says:

      12:50pm | 02/11/12

      @ Elphaba - Much appreciated m’lady. Any support is gratefully accepted. I tips me hat to you

    • Loddlaen says:

      01:34pm | 02/11/12

      Cheers Elphaba! Any donation is appreciated! smile

      Anubis and Kelvin - I will sent you guys both one too smile

    • sami says:

      01:55pm | 02/11/12

      I’ve chucked in a couple bucks to everyone’s too. Keep up the good work fellas!

    • AJ in Perth says:

      02:08pm | 02/11/12

      Loddlaen, done, but please no hugs, otherwise you’re going to grow the mo in detention for the rest of movember!!!!  :o)

      Anubis, done, and good luck with setting that new personal best!

      pa_kelvin, it works, well, I think it did ... if it didn’t, can I still claim the tax deduction?  just kidding!  :o)

    • AJ in Perth says:

      02:23pm | 02/11/12

      ps - maybe one of you guys (in general, like in any of the punchers) could write something for movember and send it in to be published?  just a random idea ...

    • pa_kelvin says:

      02:45pm | 02/11/12

      @AJ ...Thanks for the donation…Who knows ,I might just try to write an article on treatment and progression of my prostate cancer since being diognosed in 2007, but would The Punch publish it is more the question… Thanks again to all Punchers that have donated. ma_kelvin is already having to donate another $106.oo (see below).. During Movember I’ll be copying my Mo link fairly reguarlly,so I hope it doesn’t get to annoying for previous, but hope to pick-up from people not on somedays….

    • Mouse says:

      03:36pm | 02/11/12

      Well, I have just done you 3 guys, so now I am exhausted!! LOL
      Didn’t use the comments box so they will just be Anonymous(e)  hehe
      Hope you get heaps of donations for a great cause.  I tried to show my support by growing a mo but, alas, have been trying since June and nothing seems to be happening. Oh well, you will have to be happy with the cash then…    Cheers all     :o)

    • pa_kelvin says:

      05:34pm | 02/11/12

      @Mouse thankyou…ma_kelvin is up for a extra $133.00 so-far now. Sorry to have been part responsable for your exhaustion… smile

    • ZSRenn says:

      08:27am | 02/11/12

      The ABC reports Combet said in parliament yesterday “Fashion at Flemington will be OK because last week’s CPI figures showed women’s clothing, actually the prices fell by 0.2 per cent in the September quarter.” in regards to the Carbon Tax to prove that it has not affected pricing.

      I ask the question though where is fashion sold in Australia manufactured? Correct about 20 km’s from where I live in Zhongshan China. Including Australia’s not so fashionable brand but an icon “King Gee” Why are they here?  They are here because they could not exist at all if they did not move manufacturing off shore. Of course it’s not affected.

      How stupid do these people think we are?

    • Knemon says:

      09:36am | 02/11/12

      “How stupid do these people think we are?”


      ...and they don’t think it, they know it.

    • Rosie says:

      08:35am | 02/11/12

      I look at this thread everyday because of your beautiful pictures. So far it gives me a calming effect that makes me try to think in a rational sense. Keep it up!

      We hear from the media and Gillard sympathizers that Abbott has had another bad week. It was so bad that Combet resorted to mocking Abbott by turning our Parliament into a race course and Channel 9 said that Abbott’s biggest problem was his ‘swagger walk’ very much disliked by many females.

      I see it differently - Abbott and his strategist would have been taking everything in to begin the process of evolving him into becoming a great leader whose job it is to protect his and our country from prejudice, something Gillard hasn’t been able to do.

    • Mother says:

      10:24am | 02/11/12

      ” to begin the process of evolving him “

      Next stop in the process for Abbott would be to evolve into a neanderthal.
      He can work his way up from there.

    • SnappyLegs says:

      11:45am | 02/11/12

      Rosie, please don’t buy into the two party system. There are two major parties to give you the illusion that you have a choice in who leads this country, when really both the parties have vested interests behind them - neither of which care at all about you. It’s great you are taking an interest in politics, but keep looking for answers (preferrably outside the mainstream media).

    • Rosie says:

      01:35pm | 02/11/12

      Snappy Legs

      What is the point of living if you can’t at least have faith and hope on fellow human beings. The last thing I want is another minority govt with the power in the hands of people like Windsor, Gillard and Oakeshott. I believe the LNP party led by Tony Abbott will fulfill my dreams for a prosper Australia. The LNP would have learnt from the mistakes of the Gillard Labor Party. You are either a Greens or Katter supporter - rubbishing the two major parties so as people could walk away to vote Greens or Katter.

    • Rugger says:

      08:44am | 02/11/12

      So glad Halloween is over…now to look forward to Thanksgiving posts. Now THAT’S a tradition I’d love to adopt!

    • ramases says:

      08:56am | 02/11/12

      I see Wilkie has once again folded on his principles and back the Governments Pokie Policy. This shows him for what he really is a waste of space and money after his emphatic tirade that he would bring the Government down if he didn’t get his way. What a loser and this is why this Government is able to daily destroy what was once a very good country.
        It really goes to show that a vote for an Independent or a Green is in fact a vote for the Labor party.

    • max fact says:

      01:35pm | 02/11/12

      Sorry i missed it when we turned into a crap country, i must have been snoozin

    • AdamC says:

      09:01am | 02/11/12

      I recently discovered that the Enterprise Migration Agreement for the proposed Roy Hill Mine has not actually been finalised and signed off by the government. This is despite it having been announced months ago, with great fanfare. It would seem that the more prehistoric denizens of Labor’s backbench are being allowed to hold up a major project.

      This is another manifestation of Queen Julia and her courtiers trashing Australia’s commercial reputation by creating ‘sovereign risk’. That is, through arbitrary policy-making on the run and apparent goal-post shifting, they are creating uncertainty for investors, local and overseas, making Australia a less attractive destination for investment.

      Other examples of poor governance practices aong these lines include Labor’s knee-jerk ban on live cattle exports in response to a critical television show. (It is actually ridiculous in the first place that a federal minisiter can effectively kill off a major industry by decree.) There was also the bizarre super trawler ban. (So much for ‘the science’.) Labor also dismissed its own tender process and awarded a broadcast contract to the ABC, after it failed to submit the superior tender.

      In terms of the broadcasting decision, at the time, some people speculated that the decision was taken because of personality clashes between the two responsible ministers, Stephen Conroy and Kevin Rudd. Others suggested that it was because the superior tenderer included News Corporation, an organisation many Labor people don’t like. In any event, it hardly demonstrated the highest standards of transparency and rigour.

      How can Australia be a ‘high wage’ developed economy, as the Red Empress argues we should be, when it has a third world-style government creating uncertainty and sovereign risk?  (Also, in the case of migration, it is pretty galling to see the likes of Doug ‘Dinosaur’ Cameron railing against foreign workers when he clearly was one himself at some stage. Is it a case of importing mine workers, no; importing union heavies, yes?)

    • DJ says:

      09:19am | 02/11/12

      just a question re. live cattle - how many cattle could die in a tortured manner before trade should be halted? At what point would you act?

      It wasn’t the first case noted, maybe if the meat and livestock council did their job the government would not have had to step in.

    • AdamC says:

      10:45am | 02/11/12

      DJ, I do not think it is a matter of numbers so much. Rather, it is about the nature of the reaction. In fact, Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig’s initial response to the 4Corners revelations was eminently sensible and included practical, proportionate proposals. Sadly, he was overruled by the braying mob, AKA the Labor partyroom. They did the same thing again on the super trawler issue.

      Speaking of which, Labor caucus must be a rogue’s gallery of hacks and non-entities, given the serially damaging, dumb decsions it has taken to date. It is scary to imagine a group like that being able to dictate national policy. But that is where we find ourselves.

    • DJ says:

      11:44am | 02/11/12

      fair enough AdamC - personally I lay the blame at industry for that one, if it was the first time the thing came up I would be more forgiving.

      Supertrawler was a reaction to public opinion, very rare that good policy decisions follow public outcry - will give you that one.

    • iansand says:

      09:26am | 02/11/12

      A happy pumpkin?

    • Philosopher says:

      10:14am | 02/11/12

      Julie Bishop getting frisky with Christopher Pyne. Why? Well, she’s only human…

    • ibast says:

      10:27am | 02/11/12

      I don’t think either of them bat that way.

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • Philosopher says:

      10:52am | 02/11/12

      ibast, in the excitement of a Party Meeting, all the old prejudices tend to evaporate in a tropical, musky haze of repressed sexual desire. Read The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Reich. It’s all there.

    • Economist says:

      11:30am | 02/11/12

      Is Pyne Pumpkinhead? That’s news to me. Christopher comes across as a far tastier fruit, perhaps a banana.

      But Pumpkinhead was a pretty lame horror series.

    • Traxster says:

      10:41am | 02/11/12

      At first sight I thought that the picture above was of a Bat licking a pumkin
      because the nostrils looked like eyes…...........??
      but then I read some of the posts and had another look and .................
      sure enough a Giraffe and a baby one at that !!

    • Gregg says:

      10:55am | 02/11/12

      Yeah, news footage had Combet thinking he was funny about whatever and Julia thought it was even funnier his rather stupid rant on alleged opposition leadership issues and relating it to the Melbourne Cup.

      What a pitiful sight for our parliament and I wonder if some party hack will be uploading footage of giggle Gillard to Utube!
      Could it get any worse? and well yes if you had watched Question time yesterday, it was from the Senate and if you think the bored disinterested looks aside from giggling bouts of some in the house are anything, Snators have another level.
      Some Senator from Labor was labouring on about something quite seriously and you would have thought her colleagues behind, in immediaste and back rows taking turns were passing around some sort of massive joke, maybe even porn from the reactions for quite a few were in convulsive and repulsive mode.

      And this is what we’re electing and paying this mob for!

      Interestingly and not so surprising is that the Speaker nor President does nothing to demand some decorum and adult behaviour.
      No wonder we have younger generations developing as they are.

    • DJ says:

      11:47am | 02/11/12

      oh come on Combet was funny - QT is a joke these days and both sides are to blame, at least that bit was entertaining

    • ma_kelvin says:

      11:00am | 02/11/12

      Hi Punchers its Movember time and I am the proud wife of pa_kelvin who, as you know has Prostate cancer.  We have started with a donation of $200.00 and anyone from the punch that donates to Kelvin ‘s mo site I will donate an extra $10.00 up to a total of $500.

    • Economist says:

      11:32am | 02/11/12

      Unfortunately the link is not working.

    • Mouse says:

      04:05pm | 02/11/12

      Hi ma_kelvin!  Have just cost you some $  lol   Lotsa luck with the Movember donations.  Maybe you should pop in here every now and then too, would be nice to see ya!  :o)

    • ma_kelvin says:

      06:51pm | 02/11/12

      @Mouse I don’t mind paying the dollars as it is going to a worthwhile cause. I have called up our daughters to upload their wishes and comments on our Movember site.  I have another idea for promoting good wishes, donations and hope to all regarding with a theme.  Recently I watched AVATAR on 3D and saw the Tree of Life AND THE GLOWING TREES AND PLANTS.
      Every town and city I have been especially Brookwater, Cleveland to name a few with trees similar to the movie could light up once a year with lights.  Once a year a date and time of night to be determined by interested charities who would take their glow sticks and gather in the name of Avatar day(suggested name).The proceeds of which would support a different charity each year. I don’t mean it to sound like a greeny type cause, but the hanging (sale) of the glowsticks are what would raise the funds for the nominated charity. I know The Punch closes at 8pm (pa_kelvin goes into shock then), but your thoughts would prove invaluable. And YES I might make a few more comments in the future.  pa_kelvin says your a regular, and not as political as some. I know he will be Punching on the weekend, and then in Townsville mon and tues, so if you read this on the weekend would be happy to converse.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      11:14am | 02/11/12

      A sunny post from the spider story yesterday

            sunny says:

            12:39pm | 01/11/12

            Hahahahaha do you think mere fly spray will harm me foolish human, I am a spider beast, a steely warrior of the insect world, a colossus of *WHOOOOSH* AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH BURNY BURNY DROP AND ROLL DROP AND ROLL

      LMAO, tears in the eyes .Funniest thing out, but it went over ma_kelvin’ head until I explained it.. Thanks for the laugh sunny, I needed it yesterday. smile I had pictures of miniture fire blakets for spiders in my head…. smile

    • sunny says:

      11:35am | 02/11/12

      Cheers pa_kelvin. John L cracked me up in that story when he described a “society of redbacks”. I just pictured tiny little parliaments and courthouses and parking meters and pubs (with drunk redbacks staggering out of them) ... smile

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:20pm | 02/11/12

      Is it a redback only pub, or are wolf spiders and whitetail spiders allowed?? can’t disciminate on species (race) you know… smile

    • sunny says:

      01:36pm | 02/11/12

      The wolf spiders are the bouncers .. “Can’t let you in with those shoes on, pal. You’ll have to change your Dunlop Volleys for dress shoes - all eight of them.”

    • Philosopher says:

      02:09pm | 02/11/12

      the beautiful but underage Orb Spiders easily get past the Wolf Spider bouncers, by promising not to eat them after a quick mating at the back of the club.

    • Ben C says:

      12:58pm | 02/11/12

      Politician: The only occupation in which you may keep all your benefits and entitlements even after you’ve left the job.

    • Economist says:

      12:51pm | 02/11/12

      I’m disappointed, I haven’t seen an NT news story of Crocs in Crocs. Get on to it News Ltd.

    • Economist says:

      12:39pm | 02/11/12

      You want to know why I support Mulitculturalism because in my view the benefits outway the costs. So you highlight a few examples of problems, but why would I embrace wife beating? Clearly this bloke is before the courts, that’s our laws, or in this case the UKs in action, based on the dominant culture in that country, similar to our own culture.

      Take Australia we have one of the highest rates of interracial marriage in the world along with Canada. This is good economically as their off spring are generally bilingual, they naturally create ties with their home country including business ties. In most instance, in my view, they promote our values when they return to their own country. Retaining some of your own cultural identities doesn’t mean abandoning your new countries identity.

      Are there at times cases of behaviour that are unacceptable in our country but possibly acceptable in their own? you bet, but lets treat these incidences as they occur and not generalise. That’s what I see as the problem a lack of tolerance by a few, in perhaps the most tolerant country in the world. This is why as far as I’m concerned Australia is the greatest country in the world. Surveys on happiness, quality of life, quality of cities constantly put us at the top. Australia optimises the success of true multiculturalism as a country founded on immigration.

    • James1 says:

      12:52pm | 02/11/12

      No.  I think you would be hard stretched to find someone that supports domestic violence simply because its perpetrator had Middle Eastern cultural origins.  Indeed, the article doesn’t say anything about anyone supporting that man’s actions.  Beating your wife is against the law in England, and the man and his accomplices have fallen foul of the law as a result of their actions.  I have no idea where you get the idea that anyone has said this should be tolerated - that is a straw man that you have invented, in this particular case.

      I have no problem with multiculturalism, so long as laws are obeyed.  Likewise, I have no problem with Muslims and Jews using religious approaches to things like banking and divorce, so long as these are consistent with Australian laws.  Indeed, in the case of the Jewish community in Australia, this has been happening for quite some time.

      Multiculturalism does not mean letting people do whatever they like.  It means letting them dress, worship, eat and talk etc in whatever way they please, within the existing laws.  If it is defined in such a way, would you still have a problem with it?  Or are you one of those “everyone must have the same culture” people?  Because if it is the latter, you are not opposed to multiculturalism so much as opposed to anyone being different to you, which is by its very nature, authoritarian, anti-democratic and fundamentally opposed to Western concepts of individual liberty.

    • fml says:

      01:13pm | 02/11/12

      Economist and James1, rational and logical arguments. Well done.

    • David V. says:

      01:56pm | 02/11/12

      Erm, I’ve yet to see or hear of this sort of despicable cruelty actually happen in British households. The fact that it is far more likely to happen among ethnic minorities is precisely the point, as is the fact that we see cases of rape and killing of women by foreign men (France, Spain, Israel, etc) on British soil.

      It’s alien to British culture, definitely. Before mass immigration, as a child growing up, domestic abuse and assaults were never an issue in our society. Guess I made the mistake to come to Australia then?

    • Elphaba says:

      02:06pm | 02/11/12

      Is ‘multiculturalist’ supposed to be an insult like ‘racist’?

    • Chris L says:

      02:26pm | 02/11/12

      @David V - British guys have never beaten their wives?!

    • marley says:

      02:32pm | 02/11/12

      @David V. - “Before mass immigration, as a child growing up, domestic abuse and assaults were never an issue in our society.”

      Ever heard of Jimmy Saville?  If his behaviour wasn’t an issue for British society, it should have been.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:37pm | 02/11/12

      “domestic abuse and assaults were never an issue in our society”

      Oh come on.  White people don’t assault one another in domestic situations?  Please.  Arsehole knows no skin colour.

    • Economist says:

      02:49pm | 02/11/12

      “Domestic abuse and assaults were never an issue in our society” Heh? You’re joking.

      Well here’s my experience. In Hay St Mall Perth at night homeless and drunk Indigenous Australians were intimidating, but not threatening. In Cabramatta, Sydney Vietnamese gangs were intimidating, but not threatening. In Hobart, Melbourne and Canberra, physically assaulted by white Australian’s. Therefore based on my experience the most dangerous culture in Australia is white Australians, despite being white Australian. Clearly my experience is statistically valid and there is no confirmation bias.

    • Susan says:

      12:01pm | 02/11/12

      Sophie Monk jokes about punching Kyle in back of head in a piece in today.  I have no love for Sandilands but what a double standard many young women have towards violence.  If he had punched her in the head I bet a huge deal would be made.  If she now says it was just a ‘tap’ then maybe she should learn to watch the words she uses, and accuses, by.  You’re ( giving her media time based on virtually nothing and yet within your generosity, she acts against the ‘say no to violence’ meme.

    • TRBNGR says:

      12:16pm | 02/11/12

      Has anyone seen the NRMA ‘Uh huh’ ad?

      I was watching a bit of tele last night and saw this ad. In it, some women on the morning milk run is made out to be an idiot for locking her keys in her car. A modern car. A modern car that like 99.99999999% of cars made today has a central locking/unlocking mechanism that is controlled by the ‘key ring’.

      Can someone explain to me how anyone can manage to lock their keys in the car. I’ve thought about and I’ll be damned if I could do it deliberately!

      Damn crappy advertisers.

    • Susan says:

      01:20pm | 02/11/12

      I asked this on the NRMA FB page and someone posted and said it can be done..that some central locking mechanisms can be programmed to lock the car after a certain time (perhaps if ppl forget).  Never heard of that myself but they state it’s happened to them.

    • Ben C says:

      02:25pm | 02/11/12

      @ Susan

      The situation you describe happens if you haven’t opened your car door after you’ve unlocked it. It applies to pretty much all remote central locking systems. It won’t lock automatically if you’ve opened the doors.

      Effectively, it’s a safeguard in case you’ve unlocked your car unintentionally, for example if something in your pocket or handbag has pressed the unlock button on your key/remote.

    • Shane* says:

      12:40pm | 02/11/12

      I have a Movember conundrum.

      The PCFA (one of the two main beneficiaries of Movember) continues to advocate for prostate screening for all men, across the entire population, once they hit a certain age.

      This is despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary – that population screening using PSA/DRE results in too many false positives, too many false negatives, and far too many men treated for a cancer that never would have impacted their lives.

      Large-scale epidemiological research continues to suggest that the PSA/DRE tests should only be undertake in consultation with a GP if the patient has a family history and is fully aware of the shortcomings of the tests.

      Aside from the PCFA , no other major cancer organisation in Australia nor the Australian Government recommend population screening. The American Cancer Society and Cancer Research UK also do not recommend the test as a population screening tool.

      So then, what should I do?

      a)  Shut up and donate, knowing that many mates will be receiving emails from PCFA telling them to get screened.
      b)  Be the dick who lectures people after they innocently ask for a donation to an otherwise-worthy cause
      c)  Shut my mouth and donate to another charity.

    • Anubis says:

      01:14pm | 02/11/12

      @ Shane - The Breast Cancer screening is also suspect in the same way - too many false negatives. It just seems to be the nature of the beast at the moment. Maybe the funds raised can help researchers to create more definitive and accurate testing. So your dollars could go toward reducing the false positives and giving more certainty to the testing.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      01:15pm | 02/11/12

      Sorry Shane* forgot to answer your question a) . See my and others links above, Cheers. smile

    • Shane* says:

      01:44pm | 02/11/12

      It’s really not the same unfortunately. Although there have been a few questions raised about BreastScreen recently, the evidence of its efficacy is still pretty overwhelming.

      Conversely, the debate about prostate screening rages on in a PCFA-vs-Everyone-Else manner.

      It is vital that men know that they do not necessarily require the test.

      The PCFA actively promote the opposite. They have the vast majority of the population convinced that men all need to be tested once they hit 40. That stance is a significant problem, and one that I don’t feel comfortable supporting with dollars and cents.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      01:48pm | 02/11/12

      Try again… @Shane* ....As most Punchers on this site know I am being treated for Prostate cancer. I was diognosed in late 2007 (age 47) after a PSA test and follow-up rectal exam and biopsy. My family history records no other cases of Prostate cancer. Me, I’m an advocate of regular PSA testing. Women have regular Pap-smear tests for early detection of cancer,so why not regular PSA testing on men?

    • Shane* says:

      03:19pm | 02/11/12

      I wrote a long reply, pa_kelvin, but it appears to have been lost in moderation purgatory.

      Essentially the two largest studies on PSA population screening (one European, one American) have come to the same conclusion - as a screening tool, the PSA test/DRE test combination is not good enough.

      It can’t differentiate between most prostate cancers (slow-growing and unlikely to ever affect the man) and the small percentage that are aggressive and life-threatening.

      They crunched the numbers… if you screen an entire population you’re going to find and treat 48 men with “harmless” prostate cancer for every man you find with a potentially lethal cancer.

      Across a population like Australia’s, that adds up to tens of thousands of men undergoing unnecessary treatment.

      So the PSA is fine as a diagnostic tool for men with symptoms, family history or other specific concerns. But across an entire population you’re going to cause more harm than good if every man gets it done at 40.

      Now this is a very emotive debate, because no man wants to consider the possibility that he was one of the 48 men who didn’t need to go through hell… and because there are indeed men out there whose lives have been ‘saved’ from an aggressive cancer by the PSA… but they are rarer than you’d think.

      It comes down to individuals talking with their GPs. As a screening tool, it simply doesn’t have the numbers backing it up the same way PapScreen and BreastScreen and BowelScreen do.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      04:32pm | 02/11/12

      @Shane*...I hear what your saying, and I don,t mean for every male over 40 go to the doctors every 12 months or so, but to ask as a general test when needing a blood test for some other ailment. My high PSA count was picked up when I went to the doctors due to a hive type rash I had, and not because I thought “hmmm time for my annual PSA test” Now I have PSA tests every 4 weeks to monitor my progress to enable the course of treatment..I guess I’m the 1 in 48 that regular type screening would pick-up, as my cancer was a very aggresive form, hence now in my bones.. I nominated question a) above for you before, but in reading your posts I"ll now go with option c)...Mater Childrens hospital Bribane is always on my list… smile

    • I hate pies says:

      02:35pm | 02/11/12

      I see that ACT Labor are going to govern, thanks to the support of the one Greens member. I think there’s something fundamentally wrong with our system when two parties can hold the same number of seats, and a third party has all the power over who governs.
      Labor won 8 seats, and the Liberals won 8 seats, and the Greens won one; the Greens have no right to decide who has power, or hold the power. They only hold one seat out of seventeen - not even 6% representation.
      Government should be formed on majority only; or in the minimum a pre-determined coalition that was announced prior to the election.

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      03:25pm | 02/11/12

      That’s what the people voted for, Labors vote increased at the same time and won the popular vote.

      Can’t really complain about the outcome.

    • Mouse says:

      04:12pm | 02/11/12

      sfl, would that still be your feeling if the solitary Green went the Libs way?  :o)

    • Tim says:

      04:14pm | 02/11/12

      No the Libs won the popular vote. I think there was only 50 votes in it though.

      I don’t think anyone expected the Greens to go with the Libs, 4 more years of dribblers.

    • I hate pies says:

      04:36pm | 02/11/12

      Didn’t Labor’s go down? I’m not really into ACT politics, but didn’t they lose some seats?
      Anyway, that’s beside the point - the people of Canberra didn’t vote for a Labor/Green alliance, and more importantly, the party that has just a single seat shouldn’t get to decide who governs.

    • LaDiva says:

      03:26pm | 02/11/12

      Are you Latvian by any chance?

    • David V. says:

      03:37pm | 02/11/12

      No but I sympathise with any nation and cause that riles up the Left, and Eastern European nations do it well.

    • Joel B1 says:

      05:56pm | 02/11/12

      Gillard’s “black cloud” is a forecast of the frankenstorm coming her way.


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