A few weeks ago I had one of my worst days as a new MP. A woman came to see me in my office in Caringbah in southern Sydney and told me the appalling story of how her child was being exposed to pornography by the child’s own father.

Surrounded by sex: the home should be the safest place of all.

The child is less than five years old. I won’t go into the other details for risk of identifying the individuals involved, but rest assured it would make the most tolerant and liberal thinking of readers angry and sick.

What is worse is that as we looked to see what remedies were available to help this mum protect her child, we found there were none – and the police confirmed as much to her.

The problem was the father in this case was not seeking to expose the child to this material, or anything else he was doing, as a step towards physically or sexually abusing the child. He just didn’t seem to care that bringing this stuff into the home and putting it in full view of his own child was a problem.  While his actions may not constitute a sexual offence against a child under the strict definitions of the law, most of us would agree he is a complete idiot.

The NSW Classification (Publications, Films and Computer Games) Enforcement Act 1995 No 63, section 14, clause 2 says a person must not privately exhibit in the presence of a minor a film classified R 18, unless the person is a parent or guardian of the minor.  Section 24 of the same Act also says in clause 2 that a person must not sell or deliver to a minor a publication classified Category 1 restricted or Category 2 restricted, unless the person is a parent or guardian of the minor.

This is not on. And the same position seems to be taken up by most, if not all, other jurisdictions, including in Victoria where your mum and dad can show you an X18+ film at home. If not at bad Government, at least we draw the line somewhere in NSW.

The home should be the safest place in the world for a child—a safe haven, a sanctuary for love, care and development. The home must be a place where children are not violated or at risk of being violated physically, emotionally and indeed spiritually.

We do have laws in this country that serve to protect children from the predatory behaviour of those who use pornography as a tool to corrupt and exploit children for their own selfish and base purposes. We have also taken important steps to protect children from child pornography and have moved to afford new protections that relate to new media and technology.

However, it would seem we have overlooked protecting our children from the failure of parents themselves, who either negligently or knowingly expose children to porn.

Now I am all for parental responsibility and allowing parents to bring up their child according to the values they hold dear as a family. I am the last person to advocate the nanny state. But this is not one of those ‘not that there’s anything wrong with that’ scenarios . There is something wrong with this and our laws should say so.

When a parent’s ‘values’ (or absence of) places a child at risk or contravenes our values more broadly as a society, our laws should and must draw the line. It is not acceptable to knowingly or negligently expose a child to porn, whether you are a parent of that child or not. To do so, in my view, is child abuse—it is an assault on their innocence and on their psychological and sexual wellbeing that has long-lasting impacts.

Federal Magistrate and Adjunct Professor to the School of Law at the University of Western Sydney, Dr Tom Altobelli, recently told the World Congress on Family Law and Children’s Rights in the UK of a case he heard in February, 2007. The court heard shocking testimony of the display of sexualised behaviour of a five-year-old boy towards his two-year-old younger brother, as a result of his exposure to pornographic material he had found on his father’s computer. The testimony read:

‘Sam— (not his real name)— stated that he saw people with no clothes on the computer. Sam described getting hot in the head when he thinks about doing things stating ‘My head feels hot inside and I don’t like these feelings’.

The case further heard that both parents had been aware of ‘Sam’s’ access to this material for two years. ‘Sam’ and all children like him deserve better. They deserve to be protected and they look to our parliaments to provide that protection.

A recent Australian study also reported children saying they felt ‘sick’, ‘yuck’, ‘disgusted’, ‘repulsed’ and ‘upset’ after having seen or experienced pornography on the internet. Studies also show that longer term exposure puts one at greater risk of developing sexually deviant tendencies, committing sexual offences, experiencing difficulties in one’s intimate relationships and accepting the rape myth.

These influences are more pronounced for boys than girls. While our boys become enslaved and addicted, it is our daughters who are ultimately objectified and abused as a result of pornography.

If adults and parents wish to expose themselves to this material, that is their business, it’s a free country. They every right to make their choices and live with the consequences of those choices. But even those who would defend an adult’s right to porn would surely not oppose any restriction or sanction on parents who knowingly or negligently exposed their children to this abuse.

We have laws in this country that protect our children from the dangers of guns in the home. They must be locked in a secure box made of hard wood or steel , with locks of solid metal. Ammunition must be stored in a locked and separate container. Failure to meet these requirements attracts a jail sentence.

If we can protect our children from guns, then we should also be aware of the loaded gun that is lying around in the homes of thousands of Australians on computers, on coffee tables, in bathrooms, in bookcases within easy reach and access of their child, who will suffer the consequences of their exposure to pornography for years to come, potentially for the rest of their lives.

Some may consider my warning alarmist, but if we are serious about protecting our children, we must do all we can to protect them from porn, and do it now.

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    • Eric says:

      07:34am | 14/09/09

      How about protecting children from any and all upsetting material in the home? No videos showing violence, criminal behaviour or people being hurt—that would get rid of pretty much all movies and TV shows besides Teletubbies.

      And no upsetting reality programming either! Let’s ban parents from watching news, current affairs and history in the home. That’d full of bad stuff too.

      I think this kind of hysteria is much more dangerous to society, and ultimately children, than what parents choose to watch in their own homes. Get out of our homes, Mr Morrison.

    • WK says:

      08:01am | 14/09/09

      I honestly think a lot of the anti-pornographic hype is just that, hype.

    • G says:

      08:32am | 14/09/09

      Scott,

      If you are going to make a point, you should at least come out and say what you want to say, rather than qualifying every active statement you make with a disclaimer.

      I think you are being extremely alarmist, you stated the word ‘child’ and ‘children’ 30 times then compared pornography to guns… 

      “Now I am all for parental responsibility and allowing parents to bring up their child according to the values they hold dear as a family. I am the last person to advocate the nanny state.”.

      The issue is far broader in scope than just what you have said here, it includes policy scope creep (clearly demonstrated here, Scott is pushing the censorship of all pornography).  About half of the existing black list includes political material and standard adult pornography.

      It is the parents full responsibility in monitoring their children and controlling their internet usage.  If any parent is willing to support a policy that would censor an entire nations access to the internet then I imagine they would be more than willing to make a small sacrifice themselves and just disconnect the internet from their household.

    • Anna says:

      08:38am | 14/09/09

      It seems this is less about protecting children from porn and more about protecting children from stupid parents. Porn comes in a multitude of forms - I remember some kids at my school had dads who left porn magazines lying around. Some parents will have sex in front of their children.  Apparently some people don’t see a problem with that if the “child is too young to understand”.  Some parents do drugs in front of their children. Some parents see nothing wrong with raising their children to be xenophobes.
      There will always be stupid parents - how can you protect children from that? Parenting classes for every new parent to conform to a minimum standard?

    • Gurmesh says:

      09:14am | 14/09/09

      The father (who is an idiot) could also play sexually explicit DVD’s, read sexually explicit magazine, or have sex with the door open - he could also be driving him around without a seatbelt, speeding etc.

      There are hundreds of different ways the father could be harming his child. You should be trying to find a way to penalise his behaviour instead of tryign to single out porn - because porn isn’t the offender here, it’s the father.

    • zoe says:

      09:35am | 14/09/09

      It’s great to see everyone has jumped on the oh my goodness it’s somebody promoting censorship must not let this happen, rather than seeing that Scott might actually have a point.  It does seem that there is a discrepancy in the laws.  Why should it be all right for children to see R rated material even in the presence of a parent?  Perhaps these restrictions need to be changed so that it is unlawful to show this material to minors even by the parent.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:49am | 14/09/09

      Most australians would say that it was the stupid parent that is at fault, not the porn. Remember that you are a representative of your entire electorate, not just parents so why are you advocating penalising the other law abiding citizens of your electorate? Perhaps there needs to be an amendment of legislation to include showing porn to a minor as a form of psychological child abuse. While we’re on the subject, why is illegal to sell alcohol or cigarettes to a minor, but it is ok for parents or any other adult to buy or give alcohol or cigarettes to a minor? Underage drinking and smoking is a much worse problem in australian society today than porn.

    • iansand says:

      09:52am | 14/09/09

      zoe@8:35 As Mr Morrison has not actually said what he is proposing one has to make a few guesses.  If he was worried about a discrpancy in the laws the loophole he identifies can be readily closed, either completely or by establishing age categories at which exposure in the presence of a guardian is permitted.  One suspects a wider agenda, however.

    • marce says:

      09:54am | 14/09/09

      Oh, I get it: you’re not for a nanny state, you just think that because you’re in parliament you should be able to control how people behave in their own homes.

      Well, THAT makes sense.

    • AJ says:

      10:12am | 14/09/09

      This smacks a lot of social engineering.  Which is dangerous for a government of any stripe to undertake.  Once we start censuring parents for having pornography not stored in an appropriately secure container, what else will we censure them for?

      As stated above, there are a lot of potentially dangerous influences in the home, and pornography is not a special case above and beyond, say, a particularly violent comic book or a Liberal Party pamphlet.

      That said, there is recourse in family law if a father wilfully exposes a child to such material or engages in activity that would be harmful, that doesn’t necessarily punish a father (or mother) for accidentally leaving his (or her) porn magazines about.  So given this already rather effective and nuanced position, why is there any imperative for change?

      Also, ‘won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children’ is a little Today Tonight for The Punch, wouldn’t you say?

    • Steve says:

      10:14am | 14/09/09

      “Some may consider my warning alarmist”.. Mr. Morrison I would suggest you are in the minority on this one. Sometimes there’s just bad parents.

      Although you could propose a license examination for a man and women when the lady falls pregnant. You could quite simply implement the program into the current structure of pregnancy classes. But in the event the parent fails to correct answer such questions as: “Should my child be exposed to the lastest MILF Hunter episode”.. then the child is taken off them from birth and given to a Foster home until the correct answer is given.

      And we all know the correct answer is.. start them off on a website with a cheaper subscription rate, then work up to the higher paying sites.

      See how that suggestion goes…

    • G says:

      10:25am | 14/09/09

      On a side note, people have commented and are noticing that there is a conservative or slightly religious push or angle to the amount and consideration the punch gives to the various people you have writing for the punch.  It would be nice if you gave consideration to larger cross section of opinion writers that represent the broader community a little better.

    • Richard says:

      10:46am | 14/09/09

      The porn angle is being trotted out as a smoke screen to mask a desperate bid to keep the gravy train running one more election cycle by both parties. Their ridiculous race to the bottom, led by the lowest common denominator has rendered them incapable of conveying even the perception of competance, let alone actual competance. They are frightened and desperate to hold onto power, without any thought for the consequences of their actions on our society.

      This post modernist train wreck of a philosophy, embraced by desperate fools who have neither the talent nor morality for private enterprse, has become a parasitic blight on our society. We all know that given the chance the current crop of rejects will surely black list anything which doesn’t tow their line, and will do so in perfect amoral comfort. We must vote out any government who is trying to take our freedoms away in the name of labeling us all bad parents.

    • Gupta says:

      10:49am | 14/09/09

      Good column Scott and you are applauded for saying what most people would regard as common sense and decency

    • warb says:

      10:51am | 14/09/09

      like its been said before, more hype..  there are plenty of bad parents out there, how about focus your energy towards them as opposed to an industry you obviously dislike…

      maybe go goose stepping down the halls of parliament with Conroy and just filter everything…. lets not educate citizens, lets just restrict their freedoms..

    • Scott Morrison MP says:

      10:55am | 14/09/09

      Based on comments to date, perhaps I’m being too subtle. This is what I’m proposing,  close the loop hole in the law to make it an offence for parents to knowingly or negligently expose their children to porn in the home! I am targeting bad parenting, not censorship. If you want to support parents showing their kids porn, then leave the laws as they are. I disagree, There’s no conspiracy here, if you want to look at this stuff, that’s your business. But as a society we shouldn’t say it"s OK to show it to your kids.

    • warb says:

      10:58am | 14/09/09

      Scott, good summary, why didn’t you just say that in the first place!.. agree!..

    • ja ch says:

      11:21am | 14/09/09

      wtf people should be able to do what ever they want in there pwn home!!!!

    • Richard says:

      11:20am | 14/09/09

      Scott, its just a little convenient that you choose this particular moment to suddenly notice that bad parents exist, and that its all about porn rather than violence against women, drugs or a general lack of moral development. A conspiratorial frame of mind could imagine that Conroy owes you one now?

      Anyway, its not inevitable that some kids will have unfortunate beginnings, some kids dont actually survive their parents negligence, stupidity, cruelty and ignorance. But punishing morons for being morons is unlikely to help them much. Perhaps if the education system worked properly and actually taught morals, ethics and the ability to see the causal links between actions and consequences then there would be fewer abysmal parents.

      I fail to understand how you can support post-modern ‘everything opinion is equivalent, there is no truth other than belief’ (as you surely do by being a member of whichever party you are in) and simultaneously expect anyone to listen to anything you have to say.

      Get your own house in order.

      PS: Yep change the laws, put bad parents in jail, preferably after chemical sterilisation.

    • Nick says:

      11:25am | 14/09/09

      “If adults and parents wish to expose themselves to this material, that is their business, it’s a free country.”

      Not while Conroy is around it isn’t.

    • Murray says:

      11:26am | 14/09/09

      “close the loop hole in the law to make it an offence for parents to knowingly or negligently expose their children to porn in the home!”

      Sounds nice in theory.  How do you propose such a law would be policed and prosecuted though?  Need more detail than simply ‘close the loophole’.

      “If you want to support parents showing their kids porn, then leave the laws as they are.”

      This is a strawman.  I’d suggest that not many people would support parents showing their children pornography, but may believe that legislation isn’t an effective tool to address this.

    • E says:

      11:35am | 14/09/09

      I want you to consider who’se idea was it to suddenly get interested in this topic? Because I would bet my bottom dollar it wasnt yours, it was one of your ‘adivsors’. These advisors are very similar to the guys who are advising Conroy and all the others.
      This current push to ‘protect the children’ is a cynical smoke screen to protect the mainstream media cartel from internet based competition. Your job is to provide the illusion that its about protecting children, when really its about protecting the incompetents who run media companies (and political parties) who in their big game of liars poker are rapidly running out of fools to take advantage of.

      I bet the woman you describe doesnt actually exist.

      Also, its not that your argument is subtle, its just that you dont understand that you are being used, and its moronic schoolboy sophistry to claim that anyone who doesnt immediately agree with you is supporting kids watching porn.

      ” If you want to support parents showing their kids porn, then leave the laws as they are.”

      Notice how the sophistry structure is exactly the same as Conroys “If you are against internet censorship you are supporting child molesters”. I think the Lib/Labs have hired the same media advisors… how embaressing for them

    • WK says:

      11:35am | 14/09/09

      Unfotunately some people should never have children… How do you protect against complete and utter stupidity?
      Add to that different perspectives and beliefs - and it’s hard to agree on what’s acceptable in some instances.. What would be deemed okay viewing by one parent, might seen as inappropriate by another.
      HOWEVER, as far as deliberately letting a child view porn, that is inexcusable. And a form of child abuse. A child doesn’t deserve to be exposed to that. Yes there are sex scenes that they may accidently see on tv, and violence, but an adult showing a child pornographic material is a different story & absolutely unacceptable. There’s a disturbing and sinister process called ‘grooming’ which has been uncovered in the study of many child sex predators, and exposing them to pornography is part of that process.
      Scott’s comment above is right on, and I truly don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want to protect children in this way.

    • RT says:

      12:01pm | 14/09/09

      Scott @9:55am, why would you propose such an unenforceable law? You know quite well that it would be impossible to police, or even know, when minors are being exposed to porn in their homes.  Such a law would be subject to abuse during family breakups with malicious claims made by aggrieved spouses.

      Don’t try to sweeten it with the ‘just closing a loophole’ line. What you are doing is nothing more than grandstanding with your social conservative credentials.

      Get used to it, what families do in their own homes, short of killing, or almost killing, each other is not a matter for governments to meddle in.

    • Zeta says:

      12:12pm | 14/09/09

      Another Puncher mentioned in response to an article regarding porn and censorship a quote from Adolf Hitler about the people accepting any deprivation of liberty so long as it is in aid of protecting children.

      This article makes me think of another quote: “When the Federal leader is down in the polls, have your bankbenchers harp on about State laws to make them sound relevant and interesting.” - Zeta.

      I’m suprised that showing a minor pornography in any circumstance isn’t already covered by legislation targeting ‘grooming’, and if it’s not, it’s a job for the State Attorney’s General to handle.

      Did the Fed Coalition get some polling back that suggests their principaled stance against the Internet Filter is damaging their standing with child porn alarmists? Do they need to be seen to be doing something that targets those nasty porn peddlers, while backing our right to a free and uncensored internet at the same time? Probably.

    • pete says:

      12:26pm | 14/09/09

      “This is what I’m proposing,  close the loop hole in the law to make it an offence for parents to knowingly or negligently expose their children to porn in the home! I am targeting bad parenting, not censorship.”

      No what you are really saying is   “This is a nice way of packaging censorship of the internet without them realising it”    Not for one minute do I condone what these parents do, but neither do I condone censorship of the internet by a bunch of people trying to foist their misguided opinions on me.

      The party that puts that in place will face the biggest voter backlash that this nation has ever seen, so unless you want to cash in your parliamentary pensions early, leave it alone

    • Lord Grognard says:

      12:37pm | 14/09/09

      If we’re going to institute laws against idiocy, the whole nation will end up in prison.

    • Reg says:

      01:00pm | 14/09/09

      “This is what I’m proposing,  close the loop hole in the law to make it an offence for parents to knowingly or negligently expose their children to porn in the home!”

      So does that mean that if the cops search your house and find a nudie mag under your 17-year-old son’s bed, you’ll be listed as a registered sex offender for life? All in the name of “protecting” him??

      Protecting him from what, exactly? You are operating under the assumption that pornography is somehow harmful. While I agree that pornography is INAPPROPRIATE for minors (especially the five-year-old in the story), I would like to see what peer-reviewed scientific basis from which you draw the conclusion that it is HARMFUL.

    • Jack says:

      01:03pm | 14/09/09

      I can’t believe there are people on this blog defending the right of parents to show their kids porn.

      OK, this Scott Morrison might have a broader agenda for banning porn altogether, but how could anyone in their right mind think that a five year old kid watching porn is not going to damage or warp his or her own outlook and experience of sex when they come of age?

      This smacks of a sad failure to extricate yourself for one minute out of your petty little political partisanship to be able to clearly distinguish between right and wrong.

    • iansand says:

      01:03pm | 14/09/09

      You weren’t subtle.  You simply were not clear (or hadn’t worked out what would be politically palatable and were hedging your bets).

    • Jason B says:

      01:14pm | 14/09/09

      I am a single father with two young children and I know what my kids should and should not view. I think that you’re quite deluded in thinking that pornography is harmful. I challenge you to find me one Gen X’er who didn’t see any nudie magazines growing up, the internet is just a modern form of this. I think having an unhealthy fear of this type of thing is just as destructive as you claim that viewing it is.

      It really is not the end of the world is a kid sees a pair of women’s breasts, grow up for crying out loud.

    • Damien says:

      01:19pm | 14/09/09

      The way Australia is been run by the government why would anyone want to have kids.

      If the Government is wanting to restrict freedom to adults on the internet by placing a ‘mandatory’ filter via ISP’s what hope is there is for the future Australians.

      Australia is really becoming a wowser country and its sad to.

    • E says:

      01:23pm | 14/09/09

      Jack @12:03… Nobody is saying that its ok for 5yo to look at porn, and he isnt trying to ban porn. Notice how none of these suddenly socially aware poli’s have thought to close down the local ClubX? Political partisanship? Conroy is Labour, Scott is Liberal, this is a bi-partisan censorship drive. Hold on, how come suddenly politicians are aware of concepts of ‘right and wrong’ havent we been hearing for the last 30 years how those are relative concepts?Who do you work for Jack?

      I have a question for Scott… Would negligence include having an uncensored internet connection in the home?

    • wolf says:

      01:38pm | 14/09/09

      Scott I take your point that the law needs to remove the double standard with regard to child protection laws and that perhaps pornography and children should be subject to the same safeguards as firearms and children.
      As you are probably aware the Howard government made a free internet filter available to all Australians to download and censor their own personal PC’s “for the sake of the children”.  This is a sensible approach, considering we are nominally a free country and not under a totalitarian regime with enforced moral values (such as Iran) which censors their citizens access to the world wide web.  Any naughty stuff that crosses the line can be handled by law enforcement, rather than putting in place a filter that will do nothing except block legitimate information from the technically illiterate and slow down our already substandard broadband speeds.
      We are in a free country, right Scott?

    • MS says:

      01:42pm | 14/09/09

      There appears to be some confusion in regards to the proposal made by Scott Morrison.

      I read the above article as arguing for an offence in the instance that a parent or parents deliberately and intentionally show their children pornographic material.

      This has nothing to do with censorship. Senator Conroy’s mandatory internet censorship plan is, as I understand it, a policy opposed by the Coalition - which Scott Morrison is a member of…

      I suspect it was Scott’s comment that “If we can protect our children from guns, then we should also be aware of the loaded gun that is lying around in the homes of thousands of Australians on computers…” that has caused debate.

      I could be wrong, but I do not think that he was advocating for every home to be restricted from accessing pornography (“If adults and parents wish to expose themselves to this material, that is their business, it’s a free country”).

      I think the purpose was simply that the intentional act of showing such material to children should be an offence not exempted by the fact that the children in question are one’s own offspring.

    • JPR says:

      01:44pm | 14/09/09

      This is the very same story and examples given on 8 September, 2009 in a speech in favour of Internet censorship at Parliament House, Sydney by Brigadier Jim Wallace, who runs the fundamentalist Australian Christian Lobby.  In his speech, Mr Wallace contended for Governmental censorship of the Internet extending well beyond pornography and into areas of legitimate social enquiry and debate including abortion and euthanasia.
      This article appears to be part of a Christian Right movement that goes well beyond concern for innocent children.

    • glengyron says:

      01:53pm | 14/09/09

      Do we need a restriction on pornography here, or, more freedom for the appropriate authorities to control the environment the children are in? 

      It’s hard to see how even this father could be charged with this crime, unless police actually catch him watching pornography while his children are in the room.

      A better child protection system which considers exposure to things like drugs and pornography would seem more robust.

    • Fiona Patten says:

      02:01pm | 14/09/09

      As convenor of the Australian Sex Party I was contacted by The Punch yesterday about Mr Morrision’s claim that parents could legally show “porn” to their children. I said that Scott Morrison had it wrong. State classification laws already make it an offence to show sexually explicit X18+ films to minors in all states (eg NSW Classification Section 14, Clause 1. Victoria is the only state that provides a defense that the parent or guardian of the minor consented to the minor being present at the exhibition of the film.) But Mr Morrison is apparently not talking about X18+.  He is concerned about parents showing children R18+ films that are legally sold in all video outlets and shown at the local theatre, often where minors work. Does Mr Morrison believe these minors should be allowed to work where this material is sold? Wouldn’t that run the risk of exposing them to R18+ films?
      It is interesting to note that the Northern Territory has the strictest regulations around exposing minors to adult material X and R but those laws were deemed not strong enough by the Coalition and they banned the possession of porn as part of the NT Intervention. Is this where Mr Morrision is really going?

    • Goldie says:

      02:07pm | 14/09/09

      Make an application under the Family Law Act to preclude visits. I am sure the Court will accept that such behaviour is not in the child’s best interests.

    • Reg says:

      02:09pm | 14/09/09

      MS, “I think the purpose was simply that the intentional act of showing such material to children should be an offence.”

      But WHY should it? In what way is the parent endangering the child? Where is the evidence on which you base your assumption that pornography is genuinely harmful?

      Even if it is, at what age does it cease to be an offence? Ten? Twelve? Perhaps at eighteen, two full years AFTER the “child” reaches legal age of sexual consent?

      Have you actually stopped and actually THOUGHT about this proposal for more than one hysteria-sopping microsecond? Has Scott Morrison, for that matter??

    • SR says:

      02:14pm | 14/09/09

      @ Scott Morrison MP “…to make it an offence for parents to knowingly or negligently expose their children to porn in the home”

      This statement is something to be somewhat concerned about. This would essentially force censorship into the family dwelling as if censorship is not in place the parent or guardian is illegally negligent. This would make the parent or guardian responsible for any importation into the home of any material via any medium solicited or not and aware or not (as lack of awareness is negligent).

      I also find is strange that those who are arguing for a blanket censorship of pornography (that is porn to the least degree – any material that induces any sexual reaction to the observer) also ague that pornography is inherently “violent” towards women and children. Their argument is similar to this statement – “making love is wonderful but it is immoral to have sex”. This duel personality is created by religious teachings – just because you use the word “love” it does not make it different to “sex”. Whose socially engineering who????

    • Mike J says:

      02:49pm | 14/09/09

      Scott, after reading the first few lines, it was apparent that simple password protection would have avoided this situation. Are you just another Labor-Lite Liberal? You sound like it. In favour of lunatic Conroy’s unworkable scheme, no doubt. I am heartily sick of the ‘moral outrage’, usually expressed by nonentities trying to ingratiate themselves with their electorate. Yes, child pornography is bad. But the answer is not to trample all over everyone’s rights in the process of attempting to ‘fix it’. If you believe Conroy’s scheme will end this problem, then I have some bridges to sell you. Get a grip man!

    • P says:

      02:56pm | 14/09/09

      @Jason B - I dont think seeing a pair of breasts is particularly harmful for a child/teen, at all!
      But, viewing porno videos on the other hand is a different story. Particularly in regards to some of the really degrading footage out there

    • The Original Stevo says:

      03:00pm | 14/09/09

      Maybe the child wanted to know the answer to the age old question “Where did I come from?”.  Maybe the proposed law should also be extended to cover materials likely to incite hatred and persecution - the bible as an example.

    • KJ says:

      03:51pm | 14/09/09

      Scott Morrison

      “The problem was the father in this case was not seeking to expose the child to this material, or anything else he was doing, as a step towards physically or sexually abusing the child. “

      How do YOU Know that to be true???? Or is it just hearsay / conjecture ?

      I think YOU been “negligent” in your handling of this case if you have not called docs and report it ???

      Is this man known to police for any other matters?? does he have a history??

      Why hasn’t the mother gone to the family court to stop visitation????

      Or is this just a case of using One case involving one person (from “the shire” of course) to try and control what the other 20 million of us do?

      How are you going to enact this law??? Compulsory police interviews at every day care centre??? cameras in every house like North Korea??

    • Formersnag says:

      04:12pm | 14/09/09

      Just 1 week, after “fathers day”, and already, the loony, left, feminist, child abusers, are “half truthing”, 1, anecdotal, story about a father, allegedly neglecting or abusing his child, in some way, when the stats, clearly, show that abusive, biological mothers outnumber, abusive, biological fathers, nearly 10 to 1.

    • Fred Smith says:

      04:32pm | 14/09/09

      Mr Morrison, you are elected by the people to do what they want you to do, not to push your own fanciful ideas based on assumptions.  This whole story is full of hearsay and innuendo as we have no proof of any source at all.  As a Minister of the Crown, you are not elected to push your own opinion, you are the servant of the people.  This all comes down to responsibily of the parents, and no drachonian / dictatorial law can legally force any person to stop anyone from seeing pornography.  I notice the constant attempt to portray this suggestion as a “protection mechanism” in order to hide the full reasons behind this from public view.

      The fact is protection already exists under the current law, The “protection mechanism” for this new attempt is used to portray this suggestion as a way to “protect” children.  Therefore, people assume its always good.  There are alternative means behind this thats for sure.  If children are not exposed to port at home, hey the web is free - http://www.redtube.com for example, or the goold old print magazine at the newsagent.  You cannot control and have no authority to control what happens in a private residence and what people are exposed to, as its the parents right to decided if this is suitable or not.  More dicatorship laws.

      As for this pathetic statement “We have laws in this country that protect our children from the dangers of guns in the home. They must be locked in a secure box made of hard wood or steel , with locks of solid metal. Ammunition must be stored in a locked and separate container. Failure to meet these requirements attracts a jail sentence.”  You do realise this was illegally passed into law dont you, as the Magna Charta (which is still in effect today) says “we have the right to bear arms” and no laws passed by anyone anywhere can override the Magna Charta.  This was deliberately done to provent the people attacking politicians for the traitorous acts / laws pass in the Parliament.  With all due respect Mr Morrison, I cant trust anything you say as its been contorted and construed so often it is no loger relevant.  At least if your going to post information, make sure it stands up legally.

    • LR says:

      04:33pm | 14/09/09

      If a woman is so concerned for the well being of her children, why not leave her husband?  Is she’s so concerned by his behaviour that she is going to DOCS and her local member to seek to have her husbands’ behaviour deemed criminal, why not take her children away from the situation, as would be expected if she found out her husband was physically or sexually abusing her child?  Seems to me that if she is aware that her children are being harmed, and she is allowing it to happen, then she is just as responsible. 

      This “story” seems very much like another way of putting forced censorship into Australian homes.  It’s the “negligent” that’s the problem.  It sounds like this could be more than just “hiding the porn stash”, but as someone else said - if you have an unfiltered internet connection, and your child finds porn, then you could be charged.  This is rubbish.  Let people live their lives.  Let’s not make a parent accidentally leaving some porn around the same offense as someone who actually abuses a child (which is unforgivable).

    • Matt says:

      04:45pm | 14/09/09

      I agree with this article Scott. The casual bloggers online these days have become very good at sitting down behind a computer and picking apart a piece of writing without even hinting towards offering a better alternative or solution. Cynicism has taken the World Wide Web by storm. Having a healthy cynical approach to government and not believing everything you hear is encouraged and is what makes a democracy flourish productively. However leaving behind common sense and logic to systematically pick apart an argument which, for many of the online bloggers, if suggested by someone else who they think is more aligned with their political sphere of thought they would praise and gloat why the other side hadn’t thought of it sooner. To sit behind and key board and punch out politically correct and speculative misconceptions in someone’s piece is the easy part. To sit down and understand, counter and propose a constructive alternative that can be agreed upon by both sides of the isle is the harder option and one many in the online community opt to brush aside to have their 15 second “text of fame” rant about how they disagree seems to be their chosen choice.
      The concern should not focus on a solution that is conservative or liberal but a solution that works. Hard working Australians, who care about and are responsible for their children, who while online sceptics sit and type, work hard for their living care more about what works and what will protect their family. And I believe most would agree Scott.

    • GW says:

      04:47pm | 14/09/09

      I’m not seeing a concerned parent here. I’m seeing the excellent work of the false grass-roots movement (known as astroturfers) to promote support for internet censorship by using any action they can think of to promote their extremist views.

      Why on earth would a genuinely concerned parent be looking to an MP for counselling on what is clearly a dysfunctional family issue that needs professional attention?

    • SteveB says:

      05:39pm | 14/09/09

      “If you want to support parents showing their kids porn, then leave the laws as they are.” “But as a society we shouldn’t say it"s OK to show it to your kids.”

      Mr Morrison, are you really so unsure of the possible benefits of this change in legislation that you need to resort to insulting constituants to try and make a point?

      Trying to whip up a frenzy using Pres Bush’s favourite “If you ain’t with us, you’re against us!” rhetoric does nothing to help with the actual problem.

      Using the same logic, the Coalitions’ non-support of the ETS must mean that coalition politicians are in favour of Global warming! Failing to support the Alcopop Tax must mean your side of politics is in favour of teenage girls binge drinking!

      MS says:12:42pm | 14/09/09

      There appears to be some confusion in regards to the proposal made by Scott Morrison.I read the above article as arguing for an offence in the instance that a parent or parents deliberately and intentionally show their children pornographic material.

      If that were the case MS, there would be no use of the word negligent in Mr Morrisons’ proposal, that’s where the real sticking point is going to be and that’s where this spills over from common sense to nanny state.

    • Don Clark says:

      05:49pm | 14/09/09

      Fed Smith seems to be suffering some terrible confusion.

      Firsly, Mr Morrison is not a Minister at all.  He is not even an ALP member, State or Federal.

      Mr Morrison is the sitting *Liberal* member, for the Federal seat of Cook. He is Shadow Minister for Housing and Local Government.

      As for Magna Carta, some parts do still have force in British law (the right to due process of law, protection from unlawful detention eg). But Mr Smith is plain wrong as to the supposed right to bear arms.  Simply not so.

      Magna Carta never said *anything at all* about the right to bear arms, not in any of its many versions from 1215 to 1297, nor in any parts that still have some force today in British law.  It is in plain fact a myth, based upon a misunderstanding of how the American Constitution was drawn up.

      Plenty of sound texts to draw from, easily found on line and elsewhere.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      06:08pm | 14/09/09

      Why not just make a blanket law the punishes parents for exposing children to anything the current generation of politcians find offencive? Because thats surely where introducing a law like this will lead.

    • Scott Morrison MP says:

      06:13pm | 14/09/09

      I am amazed at the comments on today’s site in response to this article.
      Everything from blame the victims thru to some conspiracy theory on internet censorship and even the ETS. Some seem to even think Debbie does Dallas is a great sex education tool for pre-schoolers.

      I appreciate that people can get cynical about politics, but sometimes its worthwhile standing back and taking a good look around. This is a real issue and children are at risk. You may not believe it, or want to beleive it, but we will all live with the consequences of it.

      Many of the comments simply do not merit a response as they are offensive to the victims of this abuse or a apologists for porn. This proposal is about protecting children, not some moral wowserism on what adults should be able to read in a free society.

      However, I will note a point on the enforcement argument. The same laws already exist in relation to X18+ material in NSW and for R18+ material for persons other than the parents. The proposal is simply to close the loop around negligent and irresponisbile parents. As for the other offences already in the Act, if someone is aware of this abuse then they can make a complaint to the Police and the police can act on it. At the moment they cannot.

      My proposal is also not to the exlcusion of parenting classes, and other forms of education. It is also not to exclusive to other actions regarding protecting children from other stupid acts by parents that can cause them harm.

      My preference is for parents to simply understand that this material is damaging to a child, especially at a very young age and that there will still be some clowns who you will never reach. For those we must have the law, and our law should say that as a society we believe it is harmful and wrong to show porn to your kids.

    • Reg says:

      06:16pm | 14/09/09

      Matt says: “Cynicism has taken the World Wide Web by storm. Having a healthy cynical approach to government and not believing everything you hear is encouraged and is what makes a democracy flourish productively. However leaving behind common sense and logic to systematically pick apart an argument which, for many of the online bloggers, if suggested by someone else who they think is more aligned with their political sphere of thought they would praise and gloat why the other side hadn’t thought of it sooner.”

      Cynicism is the velvet covering the iron fist of logic.

      Nobody aligned with my “political sphere of thought” would suggest what this man has proposed today. Scott’s proposal has no basis in factual evidence, and is solely the product of wooly-headedness and hysteria-mongering.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      06:34pm | 14/09/09

      It’s nice to see that the MP has taken time out to respond to commentors.
      Although I have to ask, is it worth the time and money to create such a law? How many children are actually ‘at risk’? Usually I would be open about introducing something like this, but so far we’ve only been given a single case. Rather than talking about how we need ‘such and such’ as a law you should be talking about creating an investigation into how many children are actually at risk.

    • Reg says:

      06:34pm | 14/09/09

      Scott, I am not trying to pretend that pornography is inappropriate for children, but I must ask yet again: where is your evidence that it is “damaging to a child?” Show me the studies! Show me the stats!

      Are you seriously trying to tell me that a simple request for factual evidence “simply do[es] not merit a response” ?? Because quite frankly that would put you in the same boat as the ALP.

    • RT says:

      06:49pm | 14/09/09

      Scott, I saw very few responses that were an apology for porn or offensive to victims of abuse as you claim. It’s just that you have not mounted a strong case for the type of intervention into the private lives of people in their own homes that you advocate. You claim that Police are unable to act at present, a proposition I think is doubtful at best. I’m no lawyer but I understand that there is a statutory offence of corrupting the morals of a minor.  There is also the possibility of DOCS intervention though goodness knows that both DOCS and the Police are presently under-resourced to respond to much more serious child protection matters than the possibility that some children might be viewing porn.

      You have failed to say how the law could be enforced or to respond to the point that the law could be subject to vexatious abuse in child custody cases.

      That’s why your proposal has failed to gain support here.

    • V says:

      06:49pm | 14/09/09

      As an individual with an avid anti-censorship stance, I am shocked and dismayed by many of the replies to this article.

      I don’t profess to know what Scott Morrison’s politics are, nor do I particularly care. But as I read all the replies here, I found myself stunned at the number of you who don’t realise the inherent harm in showing children pornography - ask any child services crisis worker, any rape crisis counsellor, any adult who had a trusted family member intentionally expose them to porn… They will all confirm that it is harmful to be shown pornography by a trusted adult when not ready for it.

      It is something that a person should have the right to choose, when and if they are ready to choose it, not because daddy says it’s time for you to look at these pictures, or videos.

      And to the man who thought porn was just a pair of breasts? You obviously haven’t gotten far out into the world. Live a little! lmao

      To those of you who think parents have the right to do whatever they want (apparently short of almost killing family members), you have another think coming. Your neighbours are watching you, and these days some of them will report you. Rest assured, if I’m your neighbour, you will be reported if you do anything harmful or neglectful to your children. I actually care enough to bother - as we all should.

      I wholeheartedly agree with the anti-censorship stance in many of these replies, but I also believe that we should all do what we can to protect children. Also, parents must be held accountable for their actions, and as a society we should be vigilant on behalf of the defenceless children out there.

    • Scott Morrison MP says:

      06:53pm | 14/09/09

      Reg, here’s a start
      M. Eberstadt, Is porn the new tobacco? Policy Review, no. 154, April-May 2009, pp. 3-18
      C. Bryant, Adolescence, pornography and harm, Trends & issues in crime and criminal justice, no. 368, Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology, March 2009
      M. Flood, ‘Exposure to pornography among youth in Australia’ [online]. Journal of Sociology, v.43, no.1, Mar 2007: (45)-60.
      J. Stanley, “Downtime” for children on the internet: recognising a new form of child abuse, Family Matters, no. 65, Winter 2003, pp. 22-27
      J. Stanley, The protection of children from offensive material on the Internet, Small Screen, no. 184, March 2003, pp. 1-2
      M. Flood and C. Hamilton, Youth and pornography in Australia: evidence on the extent of exposure and likely effects, Canberra: Australia Institute, 2003, http://www.tai.org.au/documents/dp_fulltext/DP52.pdf
      E. Oddone-Paolucci, M Genius, C Violato, University of Calgary, ” A meta analysis of the published research on the effects of pornography”, Medicine, Mind and Adolescence, 200, Vol XII, no 1-2, p101-112

    • Fiona Patten says:

      07:12pm | 14/09/09

      “Some seem to even think Debbie does Dallas is a great sex education tool for pre-schoolers.”
      Scott Morrison, that is being a little disingenuous! That film as you know is an X rated film and there are already laws in place to stop children seeing it. You appear to be trying to confuse people.
      Did the Australian Christian Lobby have much to do with your call for action?

      And if you did go ahead with this move on R rated films, what would you do about parents allowing their children to work in video stores and other outlets where R rated material is readily available?
      Fiona Patten Australian Sex Party

    • Raj says:

      07:22pm | 14/09/09

      Mr Morrison what exactly do you mean by “exposed” to porn. Was the child actually viewing the pornography or were the covers enough to warrant your description. I am concerned though that your views are strongly influenced by religion and yet you have not mentioned this.  How could we ever forget the bizarre reaction in America when Janet Jackson exposed her breast on TV?  In Europe this would have gone un noticed.  That irrational and unhealthy attitude towards nudity in America is based on Christian fundamentalist doctrine. I think a child seeing a few boobs and bums is far more acceptable than a child seeing people being violently beaten, shot and stabbed to death. Why do you not have the same passion and focus on this issue? Surely any rational person can see that our society is exposing kids to so much gratuitous, sickening, and cruel violence, that it is damaging them. I agree that porn should be kept away from kids. I think most people do. However I think you are being alarmist. You should be more concerned about violence.

    • Mr S says:

      07:50pm | 14/09/09

      I am a victim of a similar type of exposure. However mine happened in a family where we lived in a rather poor household with 7 kids so we had to share baths and beds by way of sleeping “top to tail”. This led to sexual experiments between me (the youngest boy) and my two closest sisters (both 3 and 4 years older than me). I can remember all the things we did in vivid detail and as a result I was sexually active at a very young age. At the time it seemed all innocent however I became abnormally obsessed with sex and pornography in order to fulfil my desires. I am now married and 46 years old however there is not a day that doesn’t go by without me thinking about it. I feel so robbed of my childhood and completely understand the consequences of being exposed to sexual encounters at a young age. Although my exposure was under different circumstances, the effects are the same. The law must be changed to protect all kids from this mind destroying filth without a doubt.

    • Nicole says:

      08:56pm | 14/09/09

      Reg, I see your point, but would you sign up your child for a study that could be potentially do harm to them for the rest of their lives? I know I certainly wouldn’t! So,  just in case porn is causing my son harm, I make sure he isn’t exposed to it. I don’t know if it’s detrimental or not, but I don’t want to find out the hard way if it is!

      It’s kind of like the alcohol during pregnancy debate. We know that alcohol is bad, but we don’t know exactly how much, and so we don’t drink at all during pregnancy. The only real way to determine what level of alcohol is safe would be to conduct a trial or study, but there is no way in hell you would get an expectant mother to risk the health and development of her unborn child to test the theory.

      If politicians aren’t using children as a smokescreen for other agendas, then perhaps they should focus less on enforcing laws or censorship and put more emphasis on education and support for parents.

    • neilmc says:

      09:20pm | 14/09/09

      I don’t get it. Is there evidence that this happens often? Someone came to your office and told you a story. That’s how we change legislation now? When can I make an appointment?

    • Reg says:

      09:54pm | 14/09/09

      Well, thank you for responding, Scott.

      First off the bat, we can completely dismiss the 2003 paper from the Australia Institute - Flood & Hamilton basically performed a telephone push-poll on 200 16-17 year olds in the suburbs. Leaving aside the ridiculously tiny and biased sample, it wasn’t even a Research Paper - it was a Discussion Paper, written with the intent of generating interest and possible funding for further study. As such, it was never even submitted for peer review.

      Mary Eberstadt seems to spend most of her time trying to say pornography causes harm because tobacco does. Not very scientific. She attempts to draw a loose correlation with divorce rates, but doesn’t even bother trying to prove causation. The rest of her document is pretty much irrelevant speculation and opinion.

      Colleen Bryant and Janet Stanley both refer back to the Hamilton/Flood paper as a credible source (Ms Stanley quite extensively), so there’s not much hope there; though I was unable to find an online copy of Stanley’s article for Small Screen, so I’ll have to reserve judgement of that one. Michael Flood keeps referring back to his own 2003 Discussion Paper (co-authored with the “colourful”, to say the least, Clive Hamilton, and already dismissed above).

      And although Claudio Violato is a Professor at the University of Calgary, his co-authors are both officials at the “National Foundation for Family Research and Education”, an organisation that has cultivated strong ties with conservative, Christian “pro-family” groups.

      Back to square one, I should think?

    • Disturbed says:

      11:17pm | 14/09/09

      I am amazed at how many people on this forum seem to find it acceptable to let CHILDREN view pornography. It is a sad infictmen on modern parenting. For the record I am a Gen X/Y and find this appalling! If a stranger showed your child porn would you feel comfortable with it? Pornography is not some ‘natural’ display but rather over-sexualised material for adults. Stop forcing kids to grow up too quickly. Kids are meant to be just that - kids.

    • Mrs Smith ~ Foster Carer says:

      12:32am | 15/09/09

      “The home should be the safest place in the world for a child—a safe haven, a sanctuary for love, care and development. The home must be a place where children are not violated or at risk of being violated physically, emotionally and indeed spiritually.” Scott Morrison

      I agree Scott. We can choose to make our homes safe but what about the community we live in? There are still pornographic images on books and magazines on display in public places as well as sex shop windows in the main streets of cities like Canberra. Children need to be protected, why aren’t there laws against all these public displays?

    • Reg says:

      12:45am | 15/09/09

      Disturbed says “I am amazed at how many people on this forum seem to find it acceptable to let CHILDREN view pornography.”

      Which comments, in particular, give you that impression?

    • Rod Rye says:

      12:51am | 15/09/09

      Clearly it’s not the fathers fault, it’s the Porn. Just like the car that mowed down 3 pedestrians all by itself.

      It’s prime time viewing to watch corpses and violence, something society would thrive without. Without sex however, we’d all be extinct.

      Exposing a 5 year old to this is of course ridiculous, but it’s the parents, BOTH OF THEM who are at fault for allowing this. And it’s a fair bet it’s not going to have as much of a long term effect on the child as witnessing domestic violence.

    • father of six says:

      12:56am | 15/09/09

      As if this has not happened before, the wife claims the husband is doing something so bad to a politician.  I’ve seen it happen before, and always the politician falls for it hook line and sinker.

      In the case I know of, it was suggested to the wife to fabricate these stories to politicians, church ministers and child protection services prior to separating. 

      While I do not know if this is the case here or the husband is actually the idiot described, it needs to be considered that this could be a fabrication.

      Some people suffering from some diagnosed mental disorders can take a situation and blow it out of proportion.  I am not dismissing the possibility of this happening, but without details of the reality then to formulate policy from it is foolhardily at best.

    • John says:

      01:57am | 15/09/09

      Scott Morrison MP says
      “While our boys become enslaved and addicted, it is our daughters who are ultimately objectified and abused as a result of pornography.”

      Let me put it another way…..

      Our “boys” (not sons????) become inferior and powerless (to resist, as “attraction” is an addiction, is it not?), it is our “daughters” who are ultimately protected and infallible as a result of “society” (a representation of strength not weakness? and if not a representation of victimism and therefore protectionism???). This is despite the theory of survival of the fittest (superior?).

      Disturbed says
      “I am amazed at how many people on this forum seem to find it acceptable to let CHILDREN view “pornography” “

      Do you know what “pornography” is according to the “law”??? The word is used in a negative context (the mere mention of the word “pornography” has been reduced it to a word of fear, violence and deception).

      I am sure that you are a decent person, but I doubt that you can tell us that you have not experienced a sexual reaction to any type of material (even when you where a “child”)? You must remember that Scott Morrison has included intentional and “negligent” in his goal!

    • Voxpop says:

      07:52am | 15/09/09

      This whole piece is extremely misleading, you have everyone debating porn and yet you are only referring to R rated movies (porn = X18+ and is already illegal) by your own admission after having been outed by Fiona Patten -
      “However, I will note a point on the enforcement argument. The same laws already exist in relation to X18+ material in NSW and for R18+ material for persons other than the parents.”

      So you are calling this porn -
      R18+
      Hard Candy
      Texas Chainsaw Massacre
      Wolf Creek
      Kill Bill (1)
      Candy
      Black Hawk Down
      The Rock
      Rules of Attraction
      Hannibal
      Cradle of Fear
      Slipstream
      Rambo (4)

      While I wouldn’t let young children watch these I do believe that the overwhelming majority of parents are doing the right thing and don’t need your intervention.  For those parents that would allow a young child to watch horror movies and the like you can bet there are other problems within that household that would trump this.

      This should have been a more informed discussion but Scott Morrison has purposefully mislead it.  When you say porn people think of the X rated stuff and that is reflected in most of the comments.

    • sean joshua says:

      10:38am | 15/09/09

      Scott, thanks for clarifying your intention.

      It removes from my mind any doubt that your are the very beast inspiring Voltaire to caution the People that “Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty”.

      I truly wonder what people like you could possibly be thinking as you tamper with our laws like monkeys in the cockpit of democracy. I’m not a learned man, but surely you have studied some political history and law (listening to John Laws and reading Andrew Bolt columns does not count). Read Arlie Loughnan’s columns or perhaps Orwell and Huxley (have you heard of them?).

      The thing about liberal-democracy is that the tool for change in politics must be rational persuasion and education, not the criminal code and dogma. It’s not a game, and given what our grandparents fought the Nazis for, giving up is not an option.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      11:33am | 15/09/09

      Scott, if I was made aware that my next door neighbour was allowing a 10 YO child to view any sort of porn then I would hope that I would have some recourse to have it investigated. Period!  Gee, I together with a number of people in the street recently received a letter from Sutherland Council (yes I’m in the shire) advising us that a complaint was received regarding the removal or clearing of a few trees. Council made it clear that the practice was illegal and that if caught you would be fined. So someone can make a complaint about cutting down a tree and be fined and yet nothing can be done about this 5YO. Go figure. I think there is a slight difference between the two.

      If someone had made the allegation, then surely someone should have the right to investigate the issue. Is this a serious matter? Would anyone in this forum condone such behaviour? I hope not.

      Can people do as they please in their home?? No. You can’t make bombs, you can’t grow dope for public distribution and you can’t neglect or abuse children. Is showing a 5YO porn a form of neglect or abuse?

      Watching porn is not illegal, but parents have a responsibility to ensure that this is for their eye s only and not for the consumption of minors. Regarding the internet, you have the same responsibility and as far as everything else goes ie mags in newsagents, Video shops etc is concerned, you have a responsibility to protect your child from this type of exposure. Would you not want to know what your 10YO was watching, reading or listening to?  Yes I did sit with my kids and watched the TV with them on a Saturday morning. I’m sure that some of you would recall that “Hey Hey it’s Saturday” started out as a Saturday morning children’s show where the boundaries were certainly pushed and it came as no surprise that it was moved to Saturday night.

      Back to the original point – should someone allow a 5YO – or for that matter a 10YO to watch porn – NO, should we do something about it – YES! Is the solution proposed by Scott the right one, I don’t know but I would have thought that the discussion or debate would have been to ensure the best possible outcome – legislation or otherwise for these children.

    • SR says:

      12:12pm | 15/09/09

      @ Carl Palmer – “should someone allow a 5YO – or for that matter a 10YO to watch porn – NO, should we do something about it – YES!”

      To clarify what Scott Morrison is proposing:

      Should an adult “intentionally” or “negligently” expose a child (under 18) to material classified as R18+ material (X18+ is already currently not permitted by law).

      What he is not proposing is whether an adult should “intentionally” or “negligently” expose a child (under 18) to material classified as M15+, M, PG or G.

      His proposal does not actually stop a child having intentionally or negligent access to “pornography” as pornography in literal sense in not material classified as G, PG, M, M15+, R18+ or X18+, but is material that causes a sexual response to the observer. That is impossible to enforce and control.

      As Fiona Patten indicated this proposal would possible not permitted persons to be employed who are under 18 in a business that sells or supplies material that is R18+. That may have somewhat of a financial impact!

    • Matthew says:

      01:57pm | 15/09/09

      Mrs Smith ~ Foster Carer says: “There are still pornographic images on books and magazines on display in public places as well as sex shop windows in the main streets of cities like Canberra”.

      Uh, no… I live in Canberra and I can definitely say this does not happen. With the exception of one store in Civic, all other sex shops in Canberra are located in the three industrial areas, and all of them do not have explicit window displays. Please stop making this stuff up. Please.

      As for Mr Morrison’s article, I think you lost many people by claiming that porn was as dangerous as guns. Your definition of porn seems to have changed somewhat in the comments section and the parameters seem really wide, now including mainstream R18+ films. Apart from the absurdity of what you’re trying to argue and the fact the police could probably never enforce such a law, can you please tell me where the damaged adults all are that have been exposed to “porn” over the last 20 years or so?

    • TheWomp says:

      02:57pm | 15/09/09

      I know nothing about this case other than what has been written in the press, but I find it astounding that given the fact that this so obviously involves the hostile break down of a relationship no one seems to have even considered that one party may be embellishing the truth in order to make trouble for an ex partner. If there were any real evidence of harm you would only have to present it to the Family Court to have visitation rights immediately altered or revoked.

      Plus, DoCS Social Workers are known to seize children for just such frivolous matters as this, but I suppose that would deny both parents rather than punishing the one intended parent.

      This whole thing seems to be little more than a “Dorothy Dicks” intended to further the Anti Freedom of Speech cause.

    • JD says:

      03:34pm | 15/09/09

      Congratulations Scott on caring enough about children to speak out for them. How any of the bloggers who have attacked Scott can live with themselves I’m not sure. This is a child Scott is talking about - one who is less than five years old. I, for one, think there is no good reason why any child should be exposed to pornography. Dredging up the ogre of ‘censorship’ just doesn’t cut it when we’re talking about a child being subjected to what is in reality a form of abuse. Wake up to the real issues at stake.

    • Lin says:

      03:46pm | 15/09/09

      When I read these comments all I can think is “what is wrong with you people”.
      It’s all well and good to suggest that parents should be responsible for their children and that what goes on in a home is your own business, but that is an unreasonable argument. Children go to school and interact with other kids. In Queensland we’ve seen “sex clubs” in grade schools, six year old boys forcing girls to perform sex acts on them - where did they learn that?
      Pornography is harmful for children - why do we have to wait years for research - why can’t common sense prevail sooner rather than later.
      Anyone who suggests any form of regulation, is an alarmist…well I’m alarmed! We are a society saturated in sex and children don’t have the capacity to deal with it.
      Well done Scott for taking on this issue!

    • Reg says:

      04:14pm | 15/09/09

      Lin, do you happen to have any links to media reportage on the incidents you describe?

    • SR says:

      04:47pm | 15/09/09

      @Lin says “When I read these comments all I can think is “what is wrong with you people”.”

      You may not understand what this proposed change means. Do not just have a knee jerk emotional “won’t someone think of the children!” reaction.

      This proposed change will make it illegal for an adult to “intentionally” or “negligently” expose a child (under 18) to material classified as R18+ (which is not limited to what the mainstream consider pornography) not X18+ (which is already illegal).

      However I believe that you are making a point with regards to the internet, but I must make the point that this law will have no impact on the availability and accessibility by children to such material (R18+, X18+ and RC material) on the internet. Parents will need to enforce that as the material is generally not classified by the Australian Classification Board. However if the parent intentionally or negligently exposes a child to material that is classified R18+, X18+ and RC whether on the internet, Foxtel, mobile phone, magazine or otherwise, it will be illegal.

      Adults will still be legally permitted to expose a child intentionally and negligently to MA15+, M, PG and G material without fear of prosecution

      Another problem with this proposal is that it widens the doors to prosecute parents for negligence with regards to material classified as R18+. R18+ is in many cases is not what you call pornography.

      This law will however have an impact on business that employer people under 18 (including family operated business where their children help run the business) that sell or make available material that has been classified as R18+. I believe that in most states (if not all) it is not legal to sell X18+ material.

    • Wol Nol says:

      04:49pm | 15/09/09

      Thanks Scott - don’t give up on this.

    • Alan says:

      04:53pm | 15/09/09

      Full marks, Scott Morrison!

    • Aaron says:

      04:54pm | 15/09/09

      There have been a few mentions of cynacism here. How about having the sex party tell us what access children should have to their product. Are they serious? This audacity would make the tabacco industry blush.

    • SP says:

      05:00pm | 15/09/09

      Well said Scott. Don’t take any notice of those accusing you of being alarmist etc. Our children should be protected from pornography, and not just from those who would seek to abuse them, but also from careless parents viewing it in their presence or leaving it lying around for them to find. I can’t imagine what would possess a father to view porn in the presence of his son of any age, let alone five years old. It can only damage one of such tender age, and not only the child seeing the porn, what about those he may abuse in the future?

    • Michael says:

      05:01pm | 15/09/09

      Scott Morrison “Based on comments to date, perhaps I’m being too subtle. This is what I’m proposing,  close the loop hole in the law to make it an offence for parents to knowingly or negligently expose their children to porn in the home! I am targeting bad parenting, not censorship.”

      Scott, thank you for raising this issue.  As a father of young kids, and one who is personally aware of the destructive power of pornography, I am in full agreement with you.

    • Reg says:

      05:09pm | 15/09/09

      Aaron says “There have been a few mentions of cynacism here. How about having the sex party tell us what access children should have to their product. Are they serious? This audacity would make the tabacco industry blush.”

      The only audacity is in your thinly-veiled inference that the Australian Sex Party have ever suggested children should have access to X18+ material. I think you’ll find they’re well and truly in favour of content regulation - they just want it to be defined and enforced in a consistent manner across all forms of media (which it currently is not, and which Scott Morrison’s hare-brained proposal will do nothing to address).

      Speaking of cynicism, could Michael, SP, Aaron, Alan, Wol Nol, Lin and JD please tell Jim and Lyle we said ‘Hi’ grin

    • Brian says:

      05:16pm | 15/09/09

      Driving really fast may be fun, but the road rules are there for a reason, to protect drivers, passengers and pedestrians.  It is time we applied the same logic to other areas of society.  Its not just the users of pornography, but we need to protect the innocent victims that may be exposed to it.  I admire Scott’s personal courage to take on tis issue.

    • SG says:

      05:17pm | 15/09/09

      Thanks Scott.  Once upon a time it would have been unthinkable that anyone would have an opposite view to yours.  But now your view is considered alarmist.  What’s happening in Autralia?  Children are increasingly exposed to more violence and sex throughout society in general.  It’s not doing them any favours.  It’s not doing society at large any favours either.

    • Sally says:

      05:20pm | 15/09/09

      Common sense dictates that children should not be exposed to material that is not suitable for their eyes… unfortunately, so many adult Australians seem to possess very little of this these days… consequently the need for government to legislate on behalf of negligent parents. Well done Scott on promoting some action on this topic!

    • SR says:

      05:22pm | 15/09/09

      @Sp “I can’t imagine what would possess a father to view porn in the presence of his son of any age”

      I don’t think you know if he did or did not! Also this is unrelated as the proposed loop hole to be closed is merely making it illegal to expose a child to R18+ material - not necessarily pornography.


      @Michael “As a father of young kids, and one who is personally aware of the destructive power of pornography”

      Regardless of your knowledge of the destructive power of the devil, sorry I mean pornography, I will reiterate – this is not about pornography (most of which is classified as X18+ or RC which is already illegal), this is about R18+ material.

      @Aaron “How about having the sex party tell us what access children should have to their product.”

      Actually Aaron the sex party were contacted by the Punch. They simply pointed out that this is about R18+ material (not X18+ or RC). This is not about pornography. This is about populist politics and making you think that the sex party is advocating exposing children to pornography. I don’t think you could be that naïve!

    • Valerie Bauer says:

      05:25pm | 15/09/09

      We appreciate and thank you Scott for your sincere efforts in protecting our young Australian children from pornography and other materials that are harmful to their character in their formative years.  Please keep up your efforts and know that decent minded people are right behind you.  God bless you!

    • Ros says:

      05:28pm | 15/09/09

      We already have laws protecting children from parents who smoke while the kids are present in the family car.  Second-hand smoke is harmful - so is porn, especially to young developing minds.  Stand your ground, Scott - children are worth it!

    • Don Burgess says:

      05:29pm | 15/09/09

      Good on you Scott Morrison!
      Our society is far too sexualised as it is.

    • Don says:

      05:33pm | 15/09/09

      As a minister who, as part of my work, has had to speak with and counsel men in particular, I can only say that our nation is in dire need of some deep soul searching regarding the negative and very harmful effects of pornography - not only on the individual but on those closely connected with them.

      Sadly, many of these men have come into contact with pornography at an early age and have fought a battle that has not only robbed them of some great aspects of their childhood but has caused them to grow into teen and adult years with a very warped view of manhood, the value of women and and life in general.

      Legislation to protect children should be strong but legislation alone is not the answer. There needs to be a concerted well researched education effort not only regarding pornography but also the responsibility of being a good parent and, dare I say it, a return to godly standards, in order for this seemingly all pervading epidemic to be exposed for what it really is - a mind numbing and potentially deadly blight upon a society.

    • Robbles says:

      05:37pm | 15/09/09

      As a parent, and now a grandparent, I feel we have a duty of care to protect children. Violence is done to kids in many ways, not just physical. Surely exposing young children to material which objectifies women and makes sex cheap is another form of abuse.

      No simple answers I know, but let us not fall for the “all censorship is wrong” fallacy. Or do you approve of kids seeing bestiality?  No, of course not.  The line needs to be drawn and we need a good debate, not mud-slinging by either side!

    • Nathan says:

      05:38pm | 15/09/09

      I agree with Mr Morrison.  Pornography is dangerous and damaging to children and they should not be exposed to it.  We need to regulate this for the sake of their mental and spiritual health.

    • Pauline says:

      05:39pm | 15/09/09

      The home should always be a safe place for the family. Sadly today it is not with the internet especially.
      TAKE A STAND AND PROTECT YOUR KIDS.
      On TV kids see ‘Pop” stars gyrating their pelvis to music in over sexualised clothing. On the radio on the way to school and to sport practice they hear about “thow to make love longer or if you have erection problems ph….”  and billboards sporting sexy models. They go to the supermarket with Mum and see the glossy magazines as they leave the checkout, with “how to have better sex” headlines and so it goes on. They go on internet to do their schhol assignement research and we have to supervise their every search to make sure they do NOT see graphic material that can shock and hurt them.
      I thank you for this article and while it is upsetting to think a dad can be so selfish and disrespectful we need to wake up and take a stand for our kids rights to BE KIDS. 12 years is all they get to be a child - lets not take that away from them.

    • Fred Grigg says:

      05:41pm | 15/09/09

      Thanks Scott for speaking out against exposing our children to the sick world of pornography! Obviously, those already addicted are opposing and criticising you for doing so.  They must be fearful that the present day means to “feed” their lusts and addiction may be taken from them! If our leaders ever had the intestinal fortitude to stand up and truly protect our children from losing their childhood by not exposing them to such depravity, our society would in the long term would become the better for it!

    • Paul says:

      05:46pm | 15/09/09

      I think it is a sad when moral decadence over shadows protection of the vulnerable from what the conscience of so many clearly says is inappropriate.

      Any adult in particular that is willing to steal the innocence of a child, deliberatly or not should be able to be held accountable.

      I don’t believe anyone would agree to children should have access to pornography of any type, so why the resistance to some kind of regulation..

      After reading some of the for and against arguments it would appear that only those who stand to lose income from this industry would have an issue with this suggestion!

      So with those thoughts, lets see how much more confetti and pointing to the sky we get from Reg. Show me this, show me that, Blah, Blah Blah! Let me distract you with nothing, again.

    • TassyDave says:

      05:49pm | 15/09/09

      This “unless the person is a parent or guardian of the minor” line in the legislation is clearly totally crazy!  I would love to see who ever wrote it try and defend it (be they Lab or Lib!).  I agree that we all need to speak up, fight and prevent a nanny state situation, but this goes way beyond any of that.  Never stop fighting for our kids Scott!

    • David Palmer says:

      05:50pm | 15/09/09

      I seem to remember a report some time back from a special child at risk unit in Canberra that sex crimes by children against children had gone from 3 per yr to 70 per yr over a short period of time.

      Don’t tell me pornography doesn’t adversely affect children, look at the damage it does adults.

      Personally whilst I find pornography abhorent, I’m opposed to a law against what goes on in the home, other than physical injury just as much as I oppose attempts to stop parents smacking children, prevent homeschooling, etc.

    • Samual says:

      05:57pm | 15/09/09

      Here is a fix lets ban the internet, Remove the eyes of every child on this earth, wrap them in cotton wool and then some bubble wrap, Also block their ears as well so they cannot hear anything and then lock the kids up in a isolated chamber..

    • Jon says:

      05:58pm | 15/09/09

      Very fair article Scott. One may expect you to take a total stance against pornography, yet you have only sought to protect the young from the damaging influences of pornography while agreeing that adults should be able to make the choice for themselves. Keep up the good work.

    • Bringing down the right says:

      05:58pm | 15/09/09

      i love it, did all you guys recieve an email to come here and comment or what?
      What group are you from? please let us know, i don’t really feel like digging up my account access details to check which cyber-wowser-moralists groups you are connected to.

      Everyone that is for it, please post proof of your “opinions”.  Things like “its not doing the children any favours” is not a reason to agree on legislation.  Proof, citations, bring them on.

    • wendy says:

      06:04pm | 15/09/09

      Good on you Scott - a balanced view.  I do not understand what some parents are thinking - maybe they don’t. 

      If don’t want a nanny state, but if some people can not look after the wellbeing of their children, someone must

    • Anne McKenna says:

      06:08pm | 15/09/09

      It has been well researched and documented that pornography breeds violence.  Serial killer Ted Bundy, awaiting the electric chair, said that everyone, EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION, on death row was heavily into pornography.  Remember the 10-year old boy who raped a six-year-old?  Sexual offences by children are increasing rapidly.  We must do what we can to protect our children.

    • Damian Chatfield says:

      06:09pm | 15/09/09

      I am 36 years young, from early on in my childhood I was exposed to pornography and was so for about 15 years of my life. Whilst I have made some life giving decisions in my life now to refrain from viewing any such material, the battle rages on in my mind. This has sadly had an effect on my relationship with my wife and has been a tremendous burden for such a long time.  Only now, by the grace of God am I overcoming this assault on my thought life, and constantly think how my life could have been radically different had I not been entangled in that nasty world of deception. I pray for the protection over any person, especially a child that would be exposed to any form of pornography- Truly it can distort ones thinking and lead a person down a pathway that can literally take a lifetime to return from.

    • Balance Please! says:

      06:09pm | 15/09/09

      Bringing down the right, can I asks who sent YOU an email? Is your opinion worth more than someone else who got an email? do you make your money selling porn?

    • Martin Snigg says:

      06:10pm | 15/09/09

      Thankyou Scott for that dose of sanity.

      The law is a moral teacher. Commenters know pornography is harmful, especially to young people, and our laws have to reflect its dangers. Laws restricting smoking decrease smoking in the community, and for this reason pornography should be very difficult for an adult to access. If the will to obtain this material is strong adults should be made to pay heavily for it http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF09H36.pdf. These restriction have the effect of protecting, (1) children to whom our laws must err on the side of caution, and (2) older citizens who for a variety of reasons are vulnerable to exploitation from vigorous commercial interests e.g. the tobacco industry, whose activities were so destructive. The turnover of the pornography industry is larger now in the US than all professional sport codes combined.

      Ronald Dworkin philosopher from NYU, with impeccable secular liberal credentials, is quoted here by Prof. Robert George of Princeton in an essay ‘Private Acts, Public Interests’

      Ronald Dworkin has identified the public nature of the interests damaged in communities in which pornography becomes freely available and widely circulates. Legal recognition of the right to pornography would, Dworkin concedes, “sharply limit the ability of individuals consciously and reflectively to influence the conditions of their own and their children’s development. It would limit their ability to bring about the cultural structure they think best, a structure in which sexual experience generally has dignity and beauty, without which their own and their families’ sexual experience are likely to have these qualities in less degree.”

      Thank you again Scott for your leadership.

    • Matthew says:

      06:11pm | 15/09/09

      Amazing how the ACL stooges here keep saying that let’s protect kids from porn when what Mr Morrison is talking about is R18+ films, the majority of which are sold in this country AREN’T porn.

      OK, think about this for a minute; if a 6 year old child takes a R18+ magazine or DVD to school, taken from his parent’s without their consent (which they’ve probably done their best to hid from the kid), then a teacher confiscates then, then if the police are brought in, then the parents could be charged with a crime under this law (at least this is how I see it working). Now how is criminalising parents like this helpful or useful in anyway? Would parents no longer be able to rent R18+ mainstream movies just because there might be a slight chance their child might just see the film?

      And as previously mentioned by others could an under 18 work at somewhere like Big W or K-Mart as they sell R18+ movies? There’s been no thought put into the unintended consequences of this law by Mr Morrison.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      06:11pm | 15/09/09

      @ SR - 11:12am | 15/09/09 – for me the various rating are irrelevant. Should a 5yo even watch an R rated movie let alone porn?

      Encarta definition of porn - films, magazines, writings, photographs, or other materials that are sexually explicit and intended to cause sexual arousal

      My interpretation of what Scott is suggesting is to remove the words “unless the person is a parent or guardian of the minor” from the act so that anyone can’t exhibit i.e. show it to a minor. As I understand it the incident as detailed by Scott above would have been dealt with there and then. The change sounds reasonable to me.

      Re the R18+ issue i.e. video stores etc, if that’s an issue then there are easy ways around the problem. Once upon a time, the Playboy / Penthouse type mags were available for anyone to open and look, nowadays, they are all wrapped & sealed making it a little more difficult. It may not be the perfect solution but it is a step in the right direction. 

      As for Scott’s gun analogy, its also fine by me, the point is made loud and clear.
      Finally, I’ll assume that the 5YO is still in that environment and I’ll also assume that nothing has been done to change the Child’s predicament – even if it is only one child have we all gone mad!

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      06:15pm | 15/09/09

      I don’t think many people here are suggesting children should be permitted to view pornography.

      The majority of (rational) criticisms seem to centre around the practicalities of the proposal.

      How will ‘pornography’, ‘child’ and ‘exposed’ be defined? How will the measure be enforced? How will anyone ‘prove’ the child was exposed to such material? What measures will be taken to prevent abuse of the laws in bitter custody disputes?

      In addition, we should ask how commonly this occurs. Is there any data to suggest this problem extends beyond the single example offered up by Scott? Has any credible, peer-reviewed studies concluded that exposure to pornography is damaging (my feeling is that it probably is, but we shouldn’t make laws based on our ‘feelings’).

      So far, Scott has done very little to address these concerns in his replies.

    • Daniel says:

      06:15pm | 15/09/09

      Dear Scott, thank you for taking the interest of the child above that of interest groups and parents with less than best intentions for their childern. i wish more people took an active interest in the true welfare of our children. please don’t the politically correct silence you.

    • Pastor Cherie Freeman says:

      06:18pm | 15/09/09

      I know of an example within a family where a child was exposed to ‘R’ rated pornography unknowingly in his parent’s house.  Have discovered 20 years later that this young man from the age of 10 or 11 sexually abused all of his siblings.  When asked why he did this, the only conclusion he could come to was that he was just doing what he saw in the movies.  The consequences to this young child’s actions at the time have now shaken his family to the very core.  Not only for his family years later but for the siblings that are trying to live a tormented life with their own families.  Don’t try and justify the need for pornography in the home.  I cannot see any good in any of it.  And for those who think they should be allowed to do whatever they want to do - there are always consequences to any of our choices whether good or bad.  “If it feels good do it” - attitude doesn’t hold up anymore.  Let’s protect all children and if selfish parents cannot see that needs to be done then perhaps they need to spend time in jail seeing first hand the effects of pornography on inmates who as children were exposed to pornography and sexual abuse.

    • colleen says:

      06:19pm | 15/09/09

      Pornography is poison for all but especially children.Our responsibility as a society is to protect children from porn with the same vigour we try to protect them from hard drugs

    • rob says:

      06:20pm | 15/09/09

      I know !  Let’s ban Coffee Tables, Bathrooms and Bookcases….ahh yes Australians are safe once again from the nasty old outside world.
      This idiot Conroy’s the best thing that ever happened to the Cotton Wool and Bubble Wrap industries.

    • Phong says:

      06:22pm | 15/09/09

      How about some of you mindless religious robots provide us with a single skerrick of peer-reviewed scientific evidence to back up your alarmist claims?

      No?

      Didn’t think so.  You’re all in a panic because seeing other consenting adults enjoying the liberties of a modern Western democracy directly contradict your narrow-minded, medieval senses of “morality”. 

      Go back to bombing abortion clinics you medieval primates.

    • john says:

      06:23pm | 15/09/09

      Good column Scott. Well argued and happily free of wowerism.  It’s okay for adults to be adults but let’s just let kids be kids and protect them from porn purveyors.

    • anthony says:

      06:31pm | 15/09/09

      I am in full support of what Scott Morrison has spoken and written about. I am dismayed that people would not concur with these views. This is a particualrly serious issue which has been little or no attention in our society and as a result thousands of children are victims to the harmful effects of pornography, effects that will become more apparent in time. Across the western world more and more young people are the perpetrators of perverse sexual crimes. This is not just a coincidence. Unfortunately, in democratic societies we have uncritically adopted Voltaire’s philosophy ‘although I disagree with what you say I will defend till the death yoru right to say it’, irrespective of the consequences.  I would have presumed that as adults we would be hoping to create the best possible future for our children, not handicap them a “ticking timb bomb”.

    • Jason B says:

      06:34pm | 15/09/09

      I see the ACL has mobilised in order to spin the plan so as to make it seem like if we don’t, we’re basically leaving the children for any pedophile to grab on the internet. Nice way to throw some emotional blackmail in there and shoot down any logical argument because WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

      The bottom line is, this is not the responsibility of the Government. Nobody is objecting to an opt-in or opt-out filter, we have a problem with the mandatory filter intended for ADULTS, not the other filter intended for children.

      So, if you were truly about protecting kids and not forcing people to conform to your version of morality then you would push for opt-in/opt-out filter only as the mandatory included has no chance of getting through and if it is linked then it will also fail.

    • Scotty says:

      06:36pm | 15/09/09

      I pray to God every day that the religious fundies in these comments get taken up in a rapture or whatever stupid make believe stuff they dream up and leave the real world to the rest of us.
      Please God, take them away so we can make the world a better place.

    • phillip says:

      07:06pm | 15/09/09

      sadly we as a nation are slipping into the depths of despair when we cant even let kids be kids and grow up without sexualising their life,bombarding them with issues that are before their age.have we no respect for these children—our next generation! lets protect them from adult porn /they will be teenagers and adults soon enough.and those in our community who insist and persist in overdosing on porn no doubt will leave a trail of damage and confusion in their wake.like all addictions this one is not only dangerous to the consumer but to those innocent by standers in life.the things we do and say and practice have a profound impact on others.grow up australia and stand tall for our kids.

    • Adrian Gunton says:

      07:08pm | 15/09/09

      Well said Mr Morrison, couldn’t agree more.  It’s not about stopping kids from seeing anything upsetting, it’s about having appropriate boundaries and the ease with which porn can be accessed is wrong. 

      There is always a danger with increasing censorship but no censorship of the internet at all is also dangerous - and it is astounding that some people do not acknowledge this.  The whole point is being balanced and the key is for the people and the press to maintain pressure on the government to do it right.

    • AJ says:

      07:08pm | 15/09/09

      Mr Morrison - if you don’t want to be treated as an alarmist, you would be better off being concise in your definition and terms.  “Parents directly or negligently exposing children to pornography should be a criminal act” seems to be your stance.  The problem is that this covers a range of scenarios from the 15 year old sneaking his father’s Playboy magazine to a 5 year old sitting on her mother’s lap viewing a pornographic video.  However most states have laws against the latter, even with parental consent, so I personally do not understand why the mother in the example was powerless if she lived in NSW?  Or was it just that the father watching an R18+ film that just had a graphic sex scene?  If you think R18+ should not have the parental consent option, please state that, because R18+ and porn are not interchangeable terms.

      I would support provisions that parents can not knowingly deliver category 1 and 2 material to minors.  However guilt through negligence is too vague a catchment.

    • DRS says:

      07:15pm | 15/09/09

      Finally, an MP with the guts to speak out about the shame of our nation, a sex-saturated culture for our children to grow up in - being fueled by a $97 Billion industry and protected by those who have already got caught up in its addictive web, and who, quite selfishly, wish to protect it at all costs (even at the expense of our kids). Ignorance about porn today is like the ignorance about cigarette smoking in the 1950s. How is it, in a day and age where the research has so clearly established the detrimental effects of pornography on a child’s neurological development, that there can be so many people slandering Scott Morrison for being brave enough to take a stand and fight for the innocence of childhood. Keep speaking out Scott, we are listening!

    • Melissa says:

      07:23pm | 15/09/09

      Good stuff Scott.  Finally someone who cares enough to speak up. Keep up the good work.

    • Andrew Rogers says:

      07:24pm | 15/09/09

      Well said Scott.  Thanks for taking a stand on this.

      For those who think exposing kids to porn has no influence, are you insane???  Advertisers will spend 500 billion dollars this year placing their products in front of our skeptical adult eyes for a matter of seconds in an attempt to influence us to embrace their products.  They spend that money because they know it works.  How much more will impressionable and innocent children be influenced by exposure to explicit porn.

    • Harold says:

      07:26pm | 15/09/09

      So many stories about early exposure to porn, I just had to add my own.

      When I was six years old, my then-twelve-year-old cousin showed me several pornographic magazines. And yet…here I am, now thirty years old, in a healthy long-term relationship with a wonderful woman, and very much at peace with my life.

      I still view pornography when I feel like it ... as does my other half.

      I have no desire to go out raping, murdering or pillaging, unlike many of those in this thread who profess some sort of constant inner turmoil and torment.

      I wonder why? Surely, if pornography is such a dangerous thing, I should be an axe rapist by now? That’s if all the apparent experts in this thread are anything to go by.

      Maybe it’s because it was lesbian porn…who knows?

    • meg says:

      07:40pm | 15/09/09

      A young mind has not fully developed a moral compass to relate to. 
      Garbage in, garbage out.  Sadly the “garbage out” affects other children who come into his sphere of influence, and ultimately all of society. Let’s protect their innocence, they cant do it themselves!!

    • Pastor John says:

      07:42pm | 15/09/09

      As a Pastor and teacher of the Bible, I do wonder why Christians are wanting to hand over their God given right to determine the what is appropriate for the children to see.

      From the description that was given by the politician, it is pretty plan that the person who gave that story has not been entirely truthful in the matter as I have have to listen to such stories from both husbands and wives. They do this because some “friend” advises them it will help in the custody battle.  In my experience in helping others that it is very rare for this to happen.

      As to the claim by people that watching pornography has caused deviant behaviour, or caused marital problems, I would say that they are not being honest with themselves.  The Bible says that its not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out of him.  In other words it is the person themselves that exercises that behaviour and not some external force/input that causes it.

      Shame on christian councillors who look for the easy way out to help someone.  If a person is behaving badly towards their spouse then don’t jump on the “they’ve seen porn” band wagon.  I don’t care if they have, deal with the person’s bad behaviour and work with them to see that they are in control of their actions and not some fantasy.  If they don’t understand the difference between fantasy and reality then help them through that.  But porn caused me to do it, does not hold water with a real councillor.

      I really do wish that the ACL would stop with claiming they are representing Christians, they don’t plan and simple, as their motives and methods are often anti-christian.  They use control and fear to motivate good natured christians into actions that try and control the government.  What does the Bible say, “Pray for our leaders” not to control them and force them to enact laws.  Remember that more laws means less rights for the christians and eventually bring about the oppression of all, including christians, by the government.  History is a good teacher and we are doomed to repeat it if we as christians keep forcing more and more restrictions.

      Please people the article leaves so much unanswered and suggests a solution that would leave people criminals for letting a 17 year old watch a movie given a R18+ rating for adult themes (non-sexual or violent) which are considered too advanced for children.  It should be the rights of the parent to determine if their 16 or 17 year old is mature enough.  After all they are allowed to have relations with whom they choose (of course I do not wish they would).

      The Politician is after his name in the paper and is using this knee jerk reaction to get it.  It would also seem to me that the ACL (lobby group) is backing him.  There is an agenda of the ACL to revert us back to a state controlled religion/government.

    • Lisa says:

      07:48pm | 15/09/09

      My childrens mental and emotional health is more important than the sex trade industry. I would hope the government would be more concerned with our innocent children than those who need to turn to a perverted form of a natural gift to get their thrills. I implore this government to do their duty to all our children and give them a healthy ,not perverted ,attitude to sexual relations.

    • Shaun says:

      07:58pm | 15/09/09

      Hi Scott,

      Mate, thanks for standing up and being counted here. It takes some guts to stand up for the well being of our children… our next generation ...the future of our nation. Nobody can manipulate into truth, either through their anger, through their fear, through their detachment, through their perversion the fact that sexual lascivious and the fruit thereof; pornography,  goes against all that is good. Nobody. No fancy intellectual arguments ...nothing. Our children will indeed be affected and infected and the sad story and all its
      effects will compound.

      This issue affects every family in our nation and as I’ve heard it said before;

      “as goes the family ...so goes the nation”.

      Keep up the great work Scott. Don’t be distracted by detractors. Keep to the straight path here.

      The way I see it ...and perhaps very simplistic; which I’m sure someone, somewhere will like to tell me so grin

    • Pastor John says:

      08:01pm | 15/09/09

      @ Lisa,

      My children are very important to me and I am against this politician’s 15 minutes of fame.

      No government law is going to protect my children, I will do that thank you very much.  While I understand your desire to protect your children, more laws like this will not help, because if they would then that means you yourself are incapable of protecting your own children.

      It is already available if a parent is letting their children see damaging material for the other parent, or neighbour, to call in children services to deal with it.  No need for additional laws that may make parents criminals because of a false report.

    • FreeThinker says:

      08:03pm | 15/09/09

      Phong says:....“provide us with a single skerrick of peer-reviewed scientific evidence to back up your alarmist claims?”......
      Here’s some , just for starters Pong wink
      Professor Livingstones UK survey
      http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/children-go-online/End of Award Report, UK Children Go Online, Sonia Livingston.pdf
      Harvard University US survey
      http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV138.pdf
      Hamilton and Floods Australian report
      https://www.tai.org.au/file.php?file=DP52.pdf
      Not that anyone, with any sense at all, should really have to read these reports to draw the common-sense conclusion that exposing children to x-rated pornography is harmful….
      By the way, this is a great article Scott. Psychological abuse is every bit as harmful as physical abuse. Some would argue that it is more-so because of its long-term and life changing effects. We do need to extend the scope of current child protection laws to protect kids from pornography until they’re adults.

    • David Stevens says:

      08:11pm | 15/09/09

      The evidence is there. The data is in. Pornography is an evil influence on those who view it and those it affects. However, that it affects some persons more than others is not the issue. One failing of our modern society is the concept of right and wrong. To endanger another person, especially a child is morally reprehensible and we do need appropriate laws to protect children in particulr. Dr Kinsey has an awful lot to answer for with his predatory abuse of children. Well done Scott for reminding us that our families deserve better than to be treated as some abusive male’s plaything.

    • Jane says:

      08:16pm | 15/09/09

      Well done Scott Morrison.  As a doctor I know that most of the people who walk into my surgery are there for emotional reasons.  We don’t need pornography beginning messing with young minds in their critical development phases,  Your story of Sam is just one of many and while some like Harold may come out of it unaffected (or think he has) many don’t and particularly from such early exposure which is a growing problem.

    • Jill says:

      08:27pm | 15/09/09

      Thank you Scott for standing up on this issue.  I know it’s a curly one, but such an important one to be dealt with with wisdom - the cost of not doing so is just too high.  So again, on behalf of all those children out there who don’t have a say, and on behalf of a nation who doesn’t realize in what peril we stand, thank you.

    • Voxpop says:

      08:29pm | 15/09/09

      The god squad are out in force - amazing, they only represent 20% of the population but seem to over-represent themselves in these topics especially when Scott writes a piece.

      The thing is that if the man he’s written about was really showing pornography to his child then there would have been legal action taken.  The law is already there to protect children from pornography (and I completely agree that children should not be exposed to porn).  Now he may have had a couple of DVD’s that his wife didn’t like maybe she’s not a fan of horror or even Black Hawk Down but it is not and should never be illegal to have them in your home if there’s a chance that children can find them.  There are so many movies that are classed R18+ that are mainstream and just simply are not porn.

    • Christian says:

      08:32pm | 15/09/09

      Phong asks where the references are to the affect of porn on children.  Dr Tom Altobelli in a speech given in Halifax recently included over 90 references to over 20 pieces of research.  As a Magistrate and Adjunct Prof we might expect him to know the importance of research.

      More to the point, where is your peer reviewed research, that there is no damage from early exposure to porn for children?  And how long will it take for you people to put children before your sordid pastimes, or sex industry profit.

      And Pastor John, who are you kidding, if you’re a pastor I’m a space ship!

    • Jill says:

      08:43pm | 15/09/09

      This is a no brainer-Thank you so much, Scott for standing up for our children. Pornography of any kind is not suitable for children. I am flabbergasted that pastor who calls himself a bible teacher could be so negative about this issue. When parents can’t be responsible then it is time for the authorities to step in.Amazing that that irresponsible father cannot be prosecuted. I do not advocate an Nanny state but children must be protected.

    • chilly says:

      09:04pm | 15/09/09

      Keep up the good work Scott. I support your concerns.

    • Brian says:

      09:05pm | 15/09/09

      Keep at it Scott, I admire your courage to speak out in a culture where so many are addicted to the “if it feels good do it it’s OK” lie.

    • Kirsty says:

      09:11pm | 15/09/09

      I cannot believe that this is even a matter for debate.  The government needs to act to protect our children. Full stop.

    • Mark Sweet says:

      09:12pm | 15/09/09

      The Word of God makes it clear about sexual immorality being a sin. He tells us so as to protect ourselves. The choice to do what ever we want is still ours but unfortuneately we only on earth for 70 odd years there after life for eternity beings in Heaven or hell.
      40 years ago our parents would have never let us watch we can see on family viewing now a days, but little by little a bit becomes acceptable then we look back and see a the huge change. Bad things happen when good people do nothing, thank you Scott and others like you who make a stand.

    • Karen says:

      09:20pm | 15/09/09

      Thank you so much Scott for standing up for our children.  I have seen first hand the struggles that childhood exposure to pornography can do.  The research that I have seen regarding the changes that take place in an adult brain that is exposed regularly to porn are disturbing, I can only imagine what it does to a child brain.  We as a nation need to start putting our children’s welfare and ultimate good ahead of our own selfish desires.  Thank you so much for standing up for our kids.

    • Martin Snigg says:

      09:22pm | 15/09/09

      Pastor John.

      Either you’ve completely misunderstood the point of the article, which was about public policy in general, or you’re a pastor of the church of libertarianism.

      You neglected to provide context or following sentences from your quote of Paul about obedience to the law of the land. Rom 13: 4 “For he (the civil authorities) is God’s servant to do you good.” Paul is talking about obedience to just rule and just laws for the sake of peace. Revelation says something completely different about Rome during that paragon Nero’s time, and there are similarities to today.

      In the context of discussion about public policy what comes out of a man - in this case pornography - is the product of a perverted mind and shouldn’t be allowed to be made the wallpaper of society. Forcing citizens to be made a means to the ends of their self expression is unjust and Christ came to bring justice in all aspects of life - personal and political (note who crucified Him, the religio-political powers).

      We should be concerned that the law does not teach impressionable people that pornography is OK. Depictions of sex stripped of eros and ignorant of its natural end is dehumanising, yet it is these that dominate public space. Your Christian duty, in the context of the article, is to affirm that these depictions represent an anxious misunderstanding of sex, not an increased sensibility to it.

      Scott is trying to persuade us that we have duties to people to protect them from the mercenary impulse of the unscrupulous, who will play on people’s weaknesses by stimulating their libido for profit. At present the stuff is piped into every home - and we do not tolerate drug pushers loitering around schools, nor toxic waste left in public places.

      Missing the point of the article means your concern about Caesar disappears. The trivial point the article makes is that law is nothing but what a community’s agreement on what ‘the good’ is - about which the Christian has an irreplaceable contribution to make. In other words we have a Christian duty to contribute to the formulation of just laws, not leave it to the corrupt. 

      The idea that we are in danger of theocracy has it almost upside down. Metastasized philosophical liberalism is the regnant political philosophy of the State and by its nature is transforming it into a coercive, confessional but sneakily non-declarative one. PC, human rights tribunals, aggressive secularism (non-establishment was never meant to trump free exercise in the parlance of American jurisprudence) and its posture of neutrality in the promotion of non-theism, is evidence.

    • Terry Miller says:

      09:33pm | 15/09/09

      Terry 1
      Thanks Scott for standing up and being counted here. We need politicians to stand up for the well being of our children… our next generation ...the future of our nation. Not everyone will agree with the best way to deal with this, but most will agree we do need to face it and deal with it.

      Well done.  Keep up the good work.

    • Sandi Bonavita says:

      09:50pm | 15/09/09

      Well said Shaun 6:58 pm 15/9/09.  I will ditto that.  Good on ya Scott.

    • Michael says:

      09:52pm | 15/09/09

      wow, i’ve never seen someone rally the christians better then this, even through all the other stories that should have brought these nuts out of their cultists holes were never flooded to this extent, would you like some philly with that busta?

    • J. H. says:

      09:54pm | 15/09/09

      Well said Scott. As a grandparent and a worker with children in our area I have a fierce desire to protect these young children from any unwholesome visual exposure as much as I do exposure to physical dangers knowing what a deep impression these things can have on young innocent minds. Admittedly we can’t protect them forever but at least until they develop with our training too,  the maturity to discern what is filth & garbage to throw out and what is beauitful and wholesome to preserve. We are given great guidelines in words of St Paul to the Phillipians. ‘‘Whatever things are true, ...noble,...just,..lovely,..of a good report,. if there be any virtue, if anything praiseworthy, meditate on these things,’!(Phil 4;8). On the other hand there is a grave warning by Jesus himself, for those who would deliberately expose children to harmful things e.g. ‘Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea’’ (Matthew 18 verse 6)  We all stand accountable to God one day for our actions especially towards vulnerable innocent children.

    • D and M says:

      09:59pm | 15/09/09

      Thanks Scott,
      Its evident that the responsibility of parents towards their children extend much broader today in the ‘information age’ than the obvious physical protection historically established (alcohol, tobacco, drugs). I applaud your stand on a more critical aspect of a parent’s responsibility for the mental and social health of their children.

    • Peter says:

      10:31pm | 15/09/09

      Thank you so much Scott for having the courage to stand up for the rights and welfare of our children, and highlighting the grave dangers of exposing minors to pornography.

    • James says:

      10:37pm | 15/09/09

      Thanks Scott for making a stand, and I think that reading some of these comments, people getting so hot under the collar, and indulging themselves in sarcastic mockery, full of their own unsubstantiated claims over an issue that would be so obvious to any normal person who still had their own morality in tact, is a clear measure of the bombardment of sex and sexual innuendo in society, where these few people are no longer offended by this but now vehemently defend it. You are not alone and there is a massive amount of support for you and this view point.

      The results of sexual exposure to minors is very well documented and researched in both the church and secular circles. I won’t get involved in arguing this out on this forum but all I can say is that you are supported keep fighting and good sense will prevail.

    • Ian says:

      11:22pm | 15/09/09

      Over 20 years ago a group of Aboriginal Christian leaders pleaded with the then PM not to allow Xrated videos from the ACT into their communities. They were not even given the courtesy of a hearing. Their communities are reaping the whirlwind now.  Doubtless other factors like disposessian & alcohol were important as well. With the indigenous communities it is difficult to hide sexual violence. However in suburbia with porn on the net, it is easier to hide children damaged by dad’s porn.

    • John says:

      11:59pm | 15/09/09

      Its important that you have stood up for those who cannot stand up for themselves Scott.  No matter who says that porn and violence doesn’t affect them, they cannot speak for the countless minority who are large in numberthat have had thier lives destroyed by the fruit of this evil.  It is those people who you speak for Scott and may you be heard.

    • Steve says:

      12:05am | 16/09/09

      Well said Scott.  Reading many of the comments it is disappointing to see the number of comments affirming that there are ‘bad parents’ in our society in such a way as alluding to that being okay.  Unfortunately there are ‘bad parents’ in our society and it’s not okay.  It is the children of these parents that usually suffer the consequences of their parents ‘rights’ to do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want in their own home.  I agree.  These ‘parents’ are free to do as they wish and it is this self-centredness and selfishness that places their children at risk.  There are many risks in life and particularly for children.  Their homes shouldnt be one of them.  There is no easy answer as to how ‘parents’ should be held accountable for their parenting, particularly in their own home.  Sometimes common sense isnt so common.

    • Jake says:

      12:34am | 16/09/09

      Good input Scott into the public square arena about pornography and exposure to children. I recall reading some of my dad’s porn as a 12 year old and it certainly skewed in a harmful way my thoughts on sex and girls. As a juvenile I didn’t have the discernment to know reality from fiction and this directed me in ways not at all that healthy. Tighten up the legislation and lets get the message out that exposing porn to juveniles harms.

    • Doug says:

      01:25am | 16/09/09

      I hope the MP immediately contacted DOCs and reported this child abuse as the law requires most public representatives to do and is what most good people would do anyway, what it has to do with the internet in general beats me, a bad parent with pornography issues has many other ways of obtaining it that does not involve the internet and these things did happen before the internet existed.
      Poor journalism in that it give just a one sided opinion rather than presenting the all facts allowing readers to draw their own conclusions.

    • Dave says:

      01:41am | 16/09/09

      This is a complex issue and I agree with comments that suggest that regulating parents is a somewhat simplistic solution to a much bigger problem with sex in our society. However I do respect and support politicians who are willing to uphold the protection of children and teenagers from pornography.

      Pastor John I see what you are getting at but you are wrong about the need to enshrine values and protections of these values into our laws by supporting politicians like Scott. However, as I think you might be suggesting, it is not laws alone that will solve this problem and parents, or the broader society, must also take some responsibility.

      Thank you Scott for raising this issue and I support you to continue keeping it on the public agenda.

    • Ralph says:

      01:58am | 16/09/09

      The problem with exposing children to pornography is that it does something to them psychologically.  Scott is absolutely correct when he refers to this in his article.  All those who have commented assuming that exposing children to pornography is on par with eg exposing them to violence on TV need to do their research about human sexuality and psychological development properly, instead of spouting off assumptions about this.  I am a psychotherapist and regularly deal with the adverse effects clients who are now adults are grappling with because they were exposed to pornography when children.

    • Paul says:

      02:30am | 16/09/09

      Very well done Scott. The law needs to protect the young and very vulnerable from the dangers of pornography on all who see it, especially the boys who are attacked all their lives by it. So it is time for all the fathers and mothers of the children in this great country to stand up to protect their children.

    • Pastor John says:

      02:32am | 16/09/09

      Martin Snigg says:
      08:22pm | 15/09/09

      Either you’ve completely misunderstood the point of the article, which was about public policy in general
      ———-
      By what you said, it seems then we both did.

      Actually it is an article about a very specific act of parliament that the Politician wishes to be changed.  He does not consider the consequences that will occur that are unrelated to the point he was making.

      Of course we do not want children exposed to pornography.  But as been pointed out serious pornography is already illegal for parents to allow their children to see.  This change will do a lot more than stop children seeing pornography.

      The initial case does not even seem to have actually occurred by my experience of similar things being said to me, then on further enquiries are found to be baseless and I was being used to build a case against the other parent.

      How can I know this?  IF pornography was being shown to the child then the woman would only have to call in family services (child health) and the situation would have been dealt with.  No need to change an existing act to include something that is ALREADY dealt with in another Act.  This article is a storm in a teacup with the purpose of promoting the Politician.  And all the sheep followed some do-gooder trying to push their agenda.  It is strange for me as a Pastor to say that but in this world their are many who call themselves christians, but harbour desires to control the formation of policy.  And the Bible does not call us to change the mind of Governments, that is the realm of God as stated in more than one book of the New Testament.  Look them up.

      And don’t let Jesus’ words of Matthew 15:12 apply to you.

      You have to realise that Matthew 15:19 applies “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander”. And that with or without pornography that these people blaming divorce, adultery, rape, etc, on pornography would have done it or lusted after it, in any case at some time.  It is not the fault of the external input but their heart desires that caused them to do it.

    • Jeannie Streete says:

      07:25am | 16/09/09

      There is far too much children are already seeing on TV let alone parents allowing there children too watch porn and especially with them. Its illegal for adults to view child porn and it should be and offence parents or anyone showing this filth to children. Whatever bill that can be passed to stop this sort of abuse i will support wholeheartedly.

    • Martin Snigg says:

      09:58am | 16/09/09

      Pastor John a final comment: On this very site is an article about things there are conspiracies of silence about, taboo subjects, and one is God. You haven’t denied libido liberalism (which requires Christian faith remain private so that another faith may assume its vacated space in public life) is the dominant orthodoxy of the ruling classes, so it seems to me you have it upside down: it is Pharisaism to defend the cultural status quo in this case. You heap up great burdens on young children and families and commend personal sanctity to them, a stiff upper lip and gaze aversion, but do nothing to help them lift that burden. “If your eye causes you to sin pluck it out”. This is Jesus’ recommendation for those who are undergoing the change of heart you emphasise Pastor John. It is for this reason it is unjust to have these images plastered everywhere.

    • Andrew Forbes says:

      10:28am | 16/09/09

      Are you serious Eric??? As the article says a home should be the safest place for a child. Children have a natural inbuilt ability to discern when they don’t feel comfortable.

      Think about when you see children not wanting to hug a family friend good bye. As parents and adults we are responsible for helping them to develop good, safe choices. Yet so many parents over ride a child’s natural discernment by telling them that they have to hug this family friend.

      The child then thinks that what they are discerning is wrong…so in the future when a person does act inappropriately the child doesn’t say No because mum and dad have taught them to override their sense of unease.

      It is the same with porn, it desensitises young immature, developing brains and gives them a warped view of sexuality…can you imagine a world without sexual distortion…there would be no abuse or rape, women could walk down the street without fear. What a wild concept!!

      Should we protect our kids from all violence and upsetting materiel???
      Reality is we can’t, but we can help kids to develop boundaries of what is acceptable and what isn’t in a civilised society. Looking at porn teaches kids to treat women as objects, as less than human.

      Women deserve to be treated with respect and dignity, that lesson starts in the home by how we treat our partners or female friends.

    • Clinton says:

      10:32am | 16/09/09

      Honestly I am disgusted by such behaviour. Thanks Scott for standing up for the rights of children and for what is best for them. This story needs to be told. God please protect our children!

    • Voxpop says:

      10:56am | 16/09/09

      Well Scott give yourself a pat on the back - you’ve managed to stack the blog in your favour.  You’ve mislead everyone into thinking you’re talking about porn when the classification you refer to includes such movies that regularly play within the nations top cinemas.  And you’ve made a complete mockery of the entire thing - Liberal/christian dog whistling at it’s best.

    • Tony says:

      10:57am | 16/09/09

      Scott, Well said and well done. Extremists will come out and attack you with fear mongering claims of “Nanny-State” etc. The Looney Left will claim that I saw it when I was 6 and live a normal life now” but in reality, I have driven at 180km’s per hour without crashing or killing anyone and on that same argument, that should be legalised. I saw someone drive at what must have been .3 BAC without incident, too. Do they want to legalise and normalise that?? Politicians with convictions are rare and should stand up for what they know is right, regardless of the persecuters. Keep it up.

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      11:00am | 16/09/09

      I think the god-squad miss the point.

      Scott’s sentiments are noble and I think most critics here would agree it is wrong to expose children to pornography.

      The argument is about the practicality of introducing legislation to that effect.

      Until Scott (or anyone else here) can satisfactorily define what they mean by ‘pornography’, ‘child’ and ‘exposed’, explained how the measure will be enforced and what steps will be taken to prevent it being abused in custody disputes, it’s unlikely to gain widespread support.

    • SR says:

      11:01am | 16/09/09

      @ Carl Palmer “for me the various [classification] rating are irrelevant”

      It seems that while you are attempting to support a change to the law you have no regard for the law that will be used to measure the proposed law – odd?

      “Encarta definition of porn - films, magazines, writings, photographs, or other materials that are sexually explicit and intended to cause sexual arousal”

      From the Encarta definition I will assume that the R18+ material that you have observed caused you to be sexually aroused. However if it caused you to be offended then the R18+ material that you observed must have not been pornography – odd again.

      “As I understand it the incident as detailed by Scott above would have been dealt with there and then.”

      You are making the assumption that the material (if there was any material) was classified R18+ (if it were classified X18+ or RC the issue would have been dealt with). However due to the relative nature a people being offended on an individual level in actual fact the material in question may have in reality been classified G, PG, M, MA15+ or R18+.

      As for your comment regarding employers and employees, I don’t consider that you have provided a sufficient solution, that being “if that’s an issue then there are easy ways around the problem” – you have not detailed how there are easy ways around the problem of retailers that sell or supply material that is classified R18+ that employee persons under 18.

    • Pastor John says:

      11:04am | 16/09/09

      Wow Martin, you read so much into my words that is not there.

      When did I say Christians are to keep quiet?  We are to Spread the Gospel, Not CONTROL Government policy.  It is you that seems to be upside down,

      Also I am only against indiscriminate changes to existing laws that are not needed to provide the protection that everyone is wanting, and the lobbying done by Christians of Government against the clear teachings of Jesus and subsequently voiced by the apostles.  The protection is ALREADY there, and the case for change has not been made yet.  Emotive claims do not make good policy. 

      You said “You haven’t denied libido liberalism”, and I ask why should I deny something you threw at me.  I am commenting on the article not debating some wider issue!  Its a shame you have read into my words something that did not exist, that spells an agenda and it seems you are rather active in the comment circuit and maybe one of those who are after changing the Government rather than Praying for them and using your faith to believe that God will do as he said he would.

      You say “You heap up great burdens on young children and families”, and I say wow where did you get that?  I am for protection, but not by indiscriminate law changes that are already there in other workable laws.  So in effect I am not against what people want, but tried to point out the problems with this article.  Are you in fact after a government that is God controlled?  It will not work as that time is past and we leave Government CONTROL to God.  The Americans tried it and look at them now, warmongers and twisted to the hilt. 

      You talk of “Pharisaism”, but be careful because it was the Pharisees that claimed what goes into a man causes him to be defiled.  Whereas Jesus says its his heart’s desires.  Yet you are saying what goes into a man defiles him and causes these things.  The desire for evil is within not gained, so claims that porn made me do it are so so hollow, and that is my point.  Just as I do not wish you, me, children to drink poison I do not wish anyone to consume depraved material.  But the consumption of said material is not the case of a person ills, but rather the desires of the heart and the lack of parents to bring their children up in the ways of the Lord contributes to the non-cleansing of the heart. 

      Education is what brought us out of the dark ages and the widespread abuse of children physically, mentally, etc.  And it is education that is needed today.  Not new unnecessary laws that covered elsewhere. 

      If anything, I call on the Politician to introduce education that brings children and parents into an area where they do care what their children see.  By the emotive comments here that many do not feel they are capable of protecting their own children and need new laws to control themselves.  Just wow, or are they lobbying?

    • Steven watts says:

      11:41am | 16/09/09

      Problem is Pastor John, While you may say that christians are to spread the gospel, there is alot of them in government applying it to policy and laws without even a thought of logic sense.  As you can see here, in these comments, its all fear, paranoia and wanting of control.  Clearly one christian group or another has emailed all their friends to support this article and push for more laws to make more people criminals.  I’m sorry thats wrong.  I want an Australian constitution that states clear seperation of church and state as it is just not happening.  Wowserism and kneejerk reactions to anything that is not inline with christian views is destroying free australia. 

      I know, you people will read this, and will follow the same line.. “OH MY GOD ANOTHER PERSON WHO CANT SEE THE PROBLEM, MUST BE A PEDO BAD PARENT LETTING THIER KIDS DO DRUGS AND PORN IN THEIR OWN HOME, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!”...  I’m sorry, but i am disturbed by the christian “gangs” that are forcing agendas in our society without even a logical thought. Its basically, is this against our morals? yes? ok ban ban ban ban.  Its terrible and disgusting and i will do my best to expose what is going on in the Australian political environment and the christian old boys club.

    • Anne says:

      12:05pm | 16/09/09

      re Pastor Johkn - I don’t believe he is a pastor - he sounds quite anti-Christian.  He is very judgmental for a start and for seconds says “he doesn’t care if people are watching porn.”  Any real pastor would know that God wants us to keep our thoughts pure.  A Minister of religion I know is counselling not one, but five married couples who are having difficulties caused by their husbands viewing porn.  For those interested in finding out about the harm of porn. I suggest reading “Pornography’s Victims” by Eleanor Schafly.  The victims are women and children, also the men themselves.  Keep up the good work Scott.

    • Ross says:

      12:39pm | 16/09/09

      As someone who’s still recovering from 5 years of pretty serious porn addiction, (we’re talking 3 - 4 hours viewing a day) I think this MP Scott Morrison deserves all the support he can get.  People do not understand how insidious and eventually dehumanising porn is.  Kids need to see it least of all!

    • SR says:

      12:41pm | 16/09/09

      @Anne “A Minister of religion I know is counselling not one, but five married couples who are having difficulties caused by their husbands viewing porn”

      I too had to receive intense counselling after I became addicted to “porn” after watching Wolf Creek, The Rock and Black Hawk Down repeatedly.

    • Charmaine and Graeme says:

      12:49pm | 16/09/09

      Thank you Scott.  Keep speaking out . We are behind you 100 percent.in this one.

    • SB says:

      12:54pm | 16/09/09

      I can’t believe that we need to actually even think whether to protect children from this kind of vile.  People who are opposed to protecting children should probably be viewed in the same light as pedophile!

    • Michael Schultz says:

      01:22pm | 16/09/09

      Parents have the responsibility to monitor and censor what   seen and heard by children (their own and others in their home). Kids have a right to be kids and we need LEADERSHIP in Australia to embed a culture of values which reflect we aussies. A culture of freedom, of responsibility, of care, indeed of love (which porn ain’t). 
      Hard porn is not the only porn exposed – check out the soft porn on kid’s TV, the fashion marketers of kid’s clothes, the radio.
      Leadership starts in the home.

    • CM says:

      01:28pm | 16/09/09

      @Anne “A Minister of religion I know is counselling not one, but five married couples who are having difficulties caused by their husbands viewing porn”

      Interesting… personally, I can’t remember ever hearing about a non-religious couple having relationship problems caused by porn. It seems to be only devout religious folk whose relationships suffer. And devout religious folk who get “addicted”. And who suffer life-long inner turmoil. But let’s blame the porn…

    • Gene says:

      01:36pm | 16/09/09

      @SB “People who are opposed to protecting children should probably be viewed in the same light as pedophile! ” That’s right, and they should be killed for it too.
      Even an allegation is enough!

    • Fran Ngueyn says:

      01:36pm | 16/09/09

      Fran says:
      Really it is how we live our life in front of our children that matters. We need to demonstrate nurturing, care and concern on a daily basis, this is what is going to affect our children. I am a strong advocate against chld pornography and abuse, and support Bravehearts avidly. Yet I agree that we cannont police every home and dictate how people live, as we woudl then become a police state and that would open up a whole new can of wroms! Let us try and act sensibly and with love towards our chldren.

    • Pastor John says:

      02:09pm | 16/09/09

      @ Anne

      Read what I actually said, and realise that I did not say what you implied by taking a phrase out of a sentence and giving it new meaning.  I will assume it was because you did not wish to read all my post and not deliberate.

      @ Anne, Ross I hope the Minister of religion is counselling the problem of why they wish to watch porn and not the porn as the cause.  Porn watching is a symptom of the problems and not a cause. (Note Anne I did not say it is OK to watch porn, just its not the cause!)  If they treat porn as the cause then it will remain a problem and source of future issues because the true cause has not been dealt with, or at best will prolong the counselling until they get to the underlying cause.  Of course this is a side issue that the article is not trying to address, the Politician is not trying to control what the parents watch.

      This is why knee jerk reactions to a symptom will never fix the problem, and a lot of comments here seem to imply that making a law will fix a symptom.

      The problem is much more complex and needs real consideration and not some politician after 15 minutes of fame. 

      I would suggest,as I did previously, that education to help equip parents to be parents and ensure the safety of their children is overdue.

      Also if you or anyone knows a case of this actually happening then use the CURRENT LAWS to get the problem dealt with.  Child Services (Name depends on state) will deal with the problem, not the police, as they have the authority to protect the child when the parents are not.  They will council parents if needed, or remove the child if necessary.

      Can anyone tell me how a new law duplicating existing safeguards is going to protect children?

      Any parent can still do what was claimed and the results would only be marginally different if it was reported.  This is a serious consideration as if CBC, ACL or other semi-organised christian lobby groups are going to force government into change then they need to change it in a way that produces real protection and not a warm n fuzzy additional law that really is the same protection provided by laws that child protection departments operate under.  Of course you could stop lobbying and act like Christians and PRAY, and let God do as he said he would do.

      I want the Politician to address the problem in a realistic manner in a way that will protect children.  Not just gain fame for himself and attract the “christian” vote.
      And yes speaking from decades of experience and watching knee jerks reactions destroy common sense and true Christian values, may make me seem unchristian and unworthy of being a Pastor.  So be it.

    • Roma Flood says:

      02:16pm | 16/09/09

      MP Sott Morrison has it right. We as a nation and parents have to stand up for our children. Who else will if we don’t.
      Naturally as the unnatural act of pornography is exposed to children they reel in the exposure and are affected for life. Every child could give an account whether it be great or small that is locked into their brain from a young age.
      If we don’t bring in boundaries and laws to protect our children when so young who knows the extent of crimes to be committed on the future.
      It’s bad enough that dvd’s that have m15+ rating are not monitored and rented out to minors. The liberality and freedom of choice that we advocate in our democratic society is desensitising our youth and our leaders of tomorrow.The buck stops here.
      Come on Australia, let’s stand and unite together for our children, the most precious commodity on this earth.

    • William Lee says:

      02:24pm | 16/09/09

      Thank you Mr. Morrison MP for bring up this matter to the public. It is good and right for us to place value on all humanity: men, women and children. The husband in this article needs help to place a much greater value on his wife. This is the best thing he can do for his children. It would not help him to place increasingly greater value on his wife by feeding his imagination with intamate thoughts of another woman or women. It is a suggestion from me that this husband’s parents or his parents in law or a public figure that he respects greatly may be able to help him think differently and put more lovely thoughts toward his wife in his mind. My prayer is with him. God help him in Jesus’ name.

    • Julie Seeto says:

      02:29pm | 16/09/09

      Thank Scott for speaking out on this issue. I support your argument wholeheartedly.

    • Tavia Seymour says:

      02:29pm | 16/09/09

      Thank you for your thoughtfully argued article. I will be sharing it with others. Porn is an insidious evil.

    • Christina says:

      02:33pm | 16/09/09

      I am so grateful for this real man who is willing to take this stand and fight against pornography. My life has been greatly impacted (negatively) by briefly being exposed to porn at an early age, and then being in a relationship where I found out my boyfriend was viewing it. I can’t express how grateful I am for Mr. Morrison’s stand. There’s something attached to sexuality and the power of it’s impact on the soul of a person, that anyone who doesn’t support this man, just cleary doesn’t understand or know how to deal with/accept.

      And to Eric, it is unfortunate that videos with violence, certain shows/movies with criminal behaviour, and people being hurt, also has a negative impact on society. Just because it’s accepted, doesn’t make it good for us. But you make a good point about the news. It’s unfortunate that people are screwing each other over in the world so much to make it so these headlines exist.

      Support a man like Mr. Morrison who is doing his part to change it.

    • Diana says:

      02:52pm | 16/09/09

      Thank you for bringing this to the public’s attention.
      I am a registered nurse, mother and grandmother and know the harm pornography can cause.
      Parents have a huge influence on their children’s lives. Children need to be protected from exposure to pornographic images and concepts.

      Keep up the good work!

    • Josh says:

      03:49pm | 16/09/09

      Hey, thanks for being real and up front about this rubbish that is porn. The argument that banning porn or restricting its availability or even being able to charge for allowing someone under age to access it is some sort of restriction on freedom is selfish and pathetic. All freedom comes with qualification, boundaries and restrictions.

      Children should never be exposed to material which is going to warp their innocence. Sexualise identity or peak curiosity so early.

      People are stealing the innocence of Children through such rubbish. A thieves should be held responsible.

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      05:08pm | 16/09/09

      A chorus of fundamentalist Christian support, but still no answers to my earlier questions…

    • SR says:

      05:30pm | 16/09/09

      @Cameron Price-Austin

      Its a bit like getting blood from a stone! But I am sure that some of these Christians types would claim that it is possible to get blood from a stone and they will be able to quote you an instance or two where such an event actually occurred (go figure!). Just ask them any question, anything at all and the answer (no matter how much debating) will always end in “God”, “Jesus” or “the Bible”.

      I would just like to give them one month to run the county, can you imagine – Taliban, Aussie style (oi oi oi)!

    • Pastor John says:

      06:59pm | 16/09/09

      @ SR, I hold my head in shame at the lack of fact finding most christians do now-a-days, as can be seen in these comments.

      Even my posts were misrepresented to say I favoured porn and being unchristian.  I even re-read my comments to ensure I had not inadvertently made grammatical errors that would give rise to that.  The impression I got from one or more, was that they thought I supported parents showing inappropriate material to children.

      From what I can tell there are a number of groups who pointed there on-line members to this article and gave them a “outline” of what was said.  From there they came and commented without realising what was actually said in the article and the issues that would arise out of changing the law in the manner suggested.

      Also I feel the Politician was involved in a family dispute and he was used by one to try and gain the moral high ground.  My apologies to the lady if this is genuine, but from my experience there is much not said that would shed a complete different light on the original situation.

      Some of the groups mobilised to comment here feel that its their God given duty to influence the formulation of policy.  aka lobbying.  These groups rely on the good natured christians to follow their lead.  Such groups include the ACL, different catholic groups, and special interest groups.  The Catholics have a 1000+ years of history where their leaders have controlled governments/ nations.  They have attacked me even here for suggesting that God be taken at his word and that Prayer is the way to see changes in government so that christians can live safely and at peace.  This topic fits right in there (safety of children no less), but while they try and change government policy themselves God will sit back.  No wonder the laws are not to their liking.

      I agree that to give Christians control of the country is only going to cause trouble, just look at the disagreements between Christian groups.  Some believe the Bible and others believe that tradition overrides the Bible when disagreement occurs (they pick and choose scripture to fit tradition).  Some believe any nudity is bad and a few believe that nudists can hold church services in the nude and still be holy.  Take America as an example, war, rumours of war, racial conflict, hatred etc from their very beginnings.

      The amount of emotive arguments and relying on bad discussion papers and discredited research is astounding.  I suppose I will get accused of supporting porn again, oh well.  And yes I have studied many reports and the methods used, and you would be amazed at the doggy methods used to come up with the result they want.  Cannot counsel people without knowing something.

      There should be some facts here.

      -  No evidence has been shown of need to add to the law.  Existing Acts allow child protection services to act already.  Its not up to the police in the first instance, although the police can act if called by child protection services.  Why the woman did not contact the department only suggests that the facts are not as presented.

      - No evidence that adding to the law would protect even one more child, see previous point, as the children are already protected.

      - No definition of what the Politician constitutes as the cut off point for what is and is not pornography as R18+ is a lot more then pornography.  Also why is he not suggesting that some MA15+ also be included as I believe that some of it constitutes pornography.

      - Why has not the issue of very soft porn in MA15+ computer games not been addressed.

      - The definitions of actions/non-actions by the parents not been defined (or expanded upon)

      - Definitions of what constitutes illegal actions must be defined otherwise we are supporting or not supporting a “hairy-fairy” law change that may make criminals out of law abiding people because they allow their 17 year old to read/watch/play media that they considered (s)he was mature enough to consume.  The material does not have to sexual in any way to be a part of R18+ rating.

      - There was a good reason why parents were left out of the act in the first place and it was not an accident.  It was to protect Christians and others.  Some Christian writings, sex education, and other material used in senior years are not rated and as such may fall foul of law changes done in a knee jerk reaction style.

      I do not disagree that children should be protected, I actually preach it, but to take that basic God Given right and responsibility away from parents (even a little bit) is not good and has to be VERY carefully considered before allowed.  I do not see any real consideration of the negative consequences of changing a law that so-called christian politicians saw fit to give parents an exception from.

      Tread Carefully Christian, lobbying a government is a two edged sword that is contrary to NT Biblical principles and can see one at odds with Gods plans.

    • Lynne H. says:

      09:10pm | 16/09/09

      I agree with strong restrictions on porn to protect children. The implementation of this is very difficult but I would put up with such things as slower internet speed to vet this and protect our youth. As a doctor and a mother I see compelling reasons to stop the minds of our youth being contaminated with images that are inappropriate and damaging for them to see, and always to be remembered, burnt into their memory.

    • cat says:

      10:49pm | 16/09/09

      Matthew part of your comment - ‘.. can you please tell me where the damaged adults all are that have been exposed to “porn” over the last 20 years or so?’
      Have you stopped to look around at all the single parents, at the excessive levels of aggression in day-to-day life, at the people who have no idea on how to be a parent much less part of a family, the levels of porn-addicts (who will never admit it) who would sooner have unhappy relationships than stop wanking over things they’ll never have, the reported fact that Australia has the highest level of unfaithfulness (but that’s ok ‘cos everyone does it!), how about the levels of rape (most unreported) and abuse.
      Don’t get me wrong - I think if an adult wants to watch porn…fine, but over the internet it should only be on a -pay-per-view basis. Yes I’ve watched porn, and unbeknownst to me, so have my young teenagers (at a friend’s place) which explained their aggressive and argumentative change in behaviour - until my husband and I found out and stopped it. Now the pressure is off them and they’re much happier, not worrying about their next ‘hit’. AND hopefully it’ll take the pressure off when they get a girlfriend.

    • Christian says:

      11:14pm | 16/09/09

      Isn’t it time that the supposed Pastor John admit that you are nothing less than an employee or pawn (or is that porn) of Fiona Pattons and stop the pretence.  Anyone with any Christian or thological knowledge has seen through your shallow pretence ages ago as many hear have menitoned.

      What a shame that the tactics of the porn industry stoop to masquerading as clergy .  But who is surprised, there is a lot of money at stake for Fiona and her mates and they are going to fight all the way through our kids rights to experience a happy and normal childhood.

    • Mike says:

      11:30pm | 16/09/09

      I agree with trying to protect children from porn. I don’t see a workable way to censor the internet.  I would though like to comment about porn on mobile phones, which is marketed by the carriers.  My Virgin mobile phone’s internet home page (and I belieive other carriers too…) “The Vibe”, features “Playboy - Hottest babes fresh from the mansion”.  The phone doesn’t know I am not 10 years old, or even ask if I want to look at this material, am I over 18 years.  The point is that this is something that could be censored easily, as it is directly controlled by the phone carriers.

    • colleen says:

      12:13am | 17/09/09

      There is strong evidence that pornography can lead to sexual abuse of adults and children.I find it puzzling that some in our community are zealously wanting to protect peoples rights to view porn if they want to no matter what the cost to others.It interests me that many people are determined not to allow Dennis Ferguson to live in their neighborhood yet if porn was a factor in his crimes our attitudes as a society may have contributed to his crime. We can set vulnerable people up to commit crime ( not that I am saying Mr Ferguson must not take responsibility) and then we crucufy them when they do.The energy going into sending Ferguson packing would be better directed to cleaning up the porn industry - That would provide much more protection to children everywhere.

    • William says:

      01:27am | 17/09/09

      Some of these issues become political footballs, and get twisted and turned into something it is not, and it becomes so “complicated” that it encourages the “status quo” of inaction.
      If something is shown to be as harmful as this is than we need to agree that it is harmful and resolve to fix it.
      Take for instance the example of asbestos:
      Some individuals knew long time ago this stuff was harmful, we now look at film-clips of what people did with the stuff and shake our heads in disbelief.
      The facts and evidence took a long time to become public and accepted as being being true (no matter how much “contrary evidence” was put forward by those that had a vested interest in the stuff.
      Asbestos got banned!  It was no longer mined or used in anything for public consumption. It took a long battle by some to achieve this, but they got it passed as law, nation wide and the battle for some restitution for the sufferers started.
      Could asbestos be used safely? Perhaps, but too little was done for way too long that the only thing that would satisfy the public interest was to ban it altogether.
      It is a shame that in so many cases where the evidence starts to add up and reasonable conclusion can be drawn that something has to be done, we continue to procrastinate until the effects become catastrophic.  Could we not better err on the side of caution, especially where our children are involved, our nation’s next generation’s welfare.
      Action is always difficult and will generally not please everyone.
      If the right action is taken, even if it takes a few iterations, generally public support does follow.
      It is always better to stop something harmful at its source.
      If that is impossible, and not just difficult, or for lack of commitment, the next best thing is to cut off its transport or delivery system.
      Sometimes we just have to be willing to make the hard decisions for the sake of the next generations, and perhaps endure some restrictions in the methodology of access.
      If adults feel that they have a need for such “entertainment” than they can access it through other means, and in other locales, as was available to them before and probably still is.
      It is only those with most to gain from vested interest that would see the future of our children destroyed for short term personal gain.
      It generally takes a courageous government to take bold action in any of these matters.  Will history show we have such a government or will our children’s welfare be the victim in this process?

    • Pastor John says:

      01:55am | 17/09/09

      @ “Christian”, I must apologise for a misunderstanding.  My use of Christian was not intended to refer to you, but any who would consider themselves a Christian.

      Although it would seem you have done yourself a disservice by misrepresenting my comments and claiming that I am somehow supporting pornography, yet I am obviously not. 

      Actually has anyone here expressed a view that children should be allowed to see this material.  I think not yet you claim I do, that is really a strong accusation and very offensive to me and what I believe.

      I stand by my comments and have seen a side of the lobby groups calling themselves christian, that I did not expect.

    • John says:

      02:54am | 17/09/09

      Scott Morrison MP says “The problem was the father in this case was not seeking to expose the child to this material, or anything else he was doing, as a step towards physically or sexually abusing the child”.

      Revisionist history! Good luck Mr Morrison! Yesterday you said “dad abused child”, today you say “man attracted to woman, child sadly witnessed it” - who is protecting who Mr Morrison (MP)!

    • Tony says:

      07:26am | 17/09/09

      Cameron Price-Austin, you ask that “until Scott (or anyone else here) can satisfactorily define what they mean by ‘pornography’, ‘child’ and ‘exposed’, explained how the measure will be enforced and what steps will be taken to prevent it being abused in custody disputes, it’s unlikely to gain widespread support.”
      Nothing needs “redifining”. Laws are there now to stop people exposing children to pornography. Those words are interpreted now by law and by precedent. The only thing that needs to change is to stop parents showing thier own children. The neighbour is breaking the law to show my child pornography, but I am within my legal rights, under current law. Make sense of that!?! No-one has asked for a toughening of the current legislation, only a close to the loophole. It won’t stop sales of porn, because the adults can still view it, so no-one in that industry need get all uppidy and shooting off, unless thier true motive is early exposure will sway them to want more as an adult. Don’t change any definitions, just close the loophole.
      As for the “custody dispute” argument, they are messy and emotional regardless and even though it is legal now, will a judge or a jury, or whoever see it as “OK” because no law was broken? I think most thinking people disagree with exposing children to pornography, with or without the support of the law.
      Please don’t “re-define” anything.

    • Matthew says:

      08:00am | 17/09/09

      Cat , you’re suggesting that porn causes aggression in young, rape, paedophiles, single parents (what the hell?) and everything else wrong with society (because single parents are evil bastards, aren’t they?), but where is the evidence? We’ve had porn being sold in Australia in some form or another since the mid 1970’s, and now all of a sudden we have to stop and there’s these mythical porn addicts. It’s also just moronic to blame porn for single parents.

      People keep blabbing on about how it’s a problem and how we should stop it, but still haven’t been able to draw any lines linking porn with anything but masturbation.

      You know as a teen my entire sex education was very bland biology drawings showing a cut away diagram of torsos with the man on top. That’s it really, just biology class. Not a mention of safe sex, how to respect women or anything. Had to learn that from watching others and my parents. Had no idea what female genitalia looked like until I saw Penthouse. And gee, somehow I still survived, treat women with respect, am not a porn addict (or when a human desires sex, does that equal addict in your books?) and don’t have any aggression issues. Same for all the other Gen Oxer’s I know who did the same as I did.

      The problem is we just throw young people into sex without giving them any guidance and then expect them to act correctly. Instead of banning everything, how about you zealots have a damn think about how we still don’t prepare children for the confusing world of courtship and negotiating sexual consent with the opposite sex. Or if we start explaining that to them will that bring about the end of the world?

    • Richard says:

      10:09am | 17/09/09

      There is nothing honourable about pornography. It does nothing to edify a person. It degrades both the viewer, and the subject in the film or photograph. It is responsible for perpetuation sexual deviancy in society, and does nothing but destroy. How anyone could accept and promote such a thing as pornography is beyond me. The women in these pictures are someone’s daughter, their ‘little girl’ if you will. They have tremendous value above and beyond their body, and nothing and no one could ever justify its existence.
      I applaud you Mr. Morrison for having the courage and conviction of heart and spirit to bring this dark subject into the light. It gives me a great hope to know that a Member of Parliament will use his position and influence to instigate change at a political level. Bless you Sir, place your light on that hill, and it will overcome the darkness.

    • John says:

      10:25am | 17/09/09

      I say give the “kiddies” what they want and lock you R18+ action and drama movies in your safe. But the God squad can find jobs for the employees and employers that loose them. After all “if it saves just one child!”

      Who cares about the children that become homeless and hungry and open to all the dangers and influences (including sexual exploitation)  that are created by parents and themselves loosing their employment.

    • Pastor John says:

      10:31am | 17/09/09

      @Tony, there is no loop hole as it is already dealt with though different agencies.  This was done in an attempt to prevent problems in relationships resulting in one parent being falsely arrested because the other wants them out of there.

      Child protection services investigate cases where a child is being exposed to inappropriate material (which is not limited to pornography).  It was done this way so that it is investigated by trained people rather than hauling away a parent and going immediately to court.  The later can destroy a family before counselling has been given a chance.  Remember that the article is talking of R18+ material which is so much more than [soft] pornography. And remember that it is already (and rightly so) illegal for parents to show X18+ material to children.

      By doing it this way the then government allowed parents to parent and have [limited] ability to decide if some material may be appropriate for a child or not.  If there is an issue then the then government gave children protection department the legal right to intervene and investigate and call in the police if necessary.

      So there is no loop hole to fill, as you only need to view that whole law rather than an isolated part of one act.  Remember our legal system deals with issues in more than one place.

      (talking as a concerned parent here rather than as a Pastor)

    • Tamara says:

      11:08am | 17/09/09

      Spot on Mr Morrison! Clearly in this case, the child had no choice as to whether or not they be subjected to pornographic material or not. How is a child meant to comprehend the seriousness of such sexualised messages being presented? Children are not yet equipped with the understandings of sexual relationships in a broad social context such as this.

      And to the father - what kind of example is being set here. Glorifications of sexual lust are bombarding kids, and adults alike, at so many levels in society. Where is the line going to be drawn? If not at home, then where? As a yougn women, I shudder at the thought of what Australia’s next generation of young men will represent. With backgrounds of pronography from such early ages in life, how will such values of lust and degradation manifest in the years to come?

      Right behind you Scott!

    • John says:

      11:10am | 17/09/09

      Public sentiment is generally as follows:

      Violence, anger and aggression is needed for the continuity of life; but

      Sexuality is not!

      Good bye to the human species!

    • Ulrich Jaeger says:

      01:11pm | 17/09/09

      The traffic slows to forty kilometres near schools just in case a child runs on the road. So why not slow down the net a little just in case a child gets hit. Porn wil still be available and most guys can still go behind closed doors and masturbate without their wives knowing. But for God sake let us not subject the innocent to such crap.

    • Kelly says:

      02:50pm | 17/09/09

      I thoroughly agree with Scott Morrison. Children do need to be protected. Just go and spend a day in a school and you can find too many examples of children who have not been protected and allowed to view, participate and do whatever they please. Pornography is harmful to everyone, male or female, young or old. It should be banned. Probably the only people who don’t agree are those who are addicted to it and fear the loss of Pornography in their lives or the producers of it fearing the loss of cash. What a sick society we have become.

    • angela says:

      03:06pm | 17/09/09

      Even though I am getting used to it, I am still quite amazed at the hyperbolic, hysterical, all or nothing carry-on of the “anti-censorship”- don’t touch my porn brigade. If ever there was a moral panic this is it- all that hyperventilating over the end-in-sight of liberties and democracy.  But more disturbing, is the continued theme of cavalier disregard for the concerns of child development experts and the callousness to children made more vulnerable by circumstances.  Doubly disturbing is the worrying intimation creeping out from between the lines of some debaters, that porn holds no dangers for children or adolescents and that the question of whether they have access is one of individual parents’ and family values.
      Scott’s proposal will help and could certainly be enforced to drive home to some parents or carers, their need to contain their adult pre-occupations for the sake of their children.  Eventually the message could get through that such material be kept away, not left on the ground amongst the wiggles videos as was the case in one home. Or not left open on the computer.
      Our moral panickers need to accept that health carers and social workers are dealing with a definite explosion in cases of child exposure leading to behaviors indicative of serious sexual abuse including sexual molestation of other young peers or siblings.  They need to understand that such exposure can lead to a lifetime of misery and dysfunction that can spill out and drag others in.  It is no secret that the sexually abused have a higher risk of becoming abusers.
      A note on the blacklist.  Again we could do with more adult debate rather than adolescent hissy fits.  The list is primarily concerned with content well beyond the bounds of Australia’s R and X classification criteria.  It is a somewhat clumsy instrument but any significant problems can be blamed on porn mafiosi in Russia and other places rather than our government.  The blacklist is concerned to weed out child porn.  It also deals with “ordinary adult porn” -of a kind- including sites that advocate and provide explicit exploration of rape and coercion. The list also tries to deal with sites that promote sexual arousal to depictions of teens that have been chosen to look barely pubescent.  There is other “ordinary adult porn” that deals with abhorrent fetishes and violent practices. None of this “ordinary adult porn” would be allowed classification in Australia, under rules that reflect outcomes of very lengthy political, expert and community debate.

    • Ongey Kambah says:

      04:35pm | 17/09/09

      Phong makes this statement, “How about some of you mindless religious robots provide us with a single skerrick of peer-reviewed scientific evidence to back up your alarmist claims.”

      Others have asked the same… EVIDENCE? WHERE IS IT?

      Let me begin with this. Ted Bundy, an infamously notorious serial killer who targeted young women between 1974 and 1978 in an interview shortly before his execution wanted to warn viewers about the dangers of pornography. For him it all began with a pornographic magazine as a child. Through the years, he became more interested in pornographic material. He viewed the films and bought the books and magazines. Eventually, just viewing pornography didn’t satisfy him; he became interested in performing these acts as well… and the next day his life was ended.

      I have seen the impact where pornography has affected the lives of so many. I saw it destroy my son’s marriage. Unbeknown to us it began when he was young. During the separation period before his divorce he attended a Sexaholics Anonymous support group (this is an international group for sexaholics or those where sexaholism is a major problem). His wife attended an S-Anon group for partners of those with a sexual addiction. Sexaholics Anonymous and S-Anon are similar to Alcoholics Anonymous and A-Anon. My wife and I began to attend an S-Anon group as we worked through the issues that touched us as parents. We shared with women in this group whose lives and the lives of their children had been devastated by the addiction of their spouses and partners.

      Almost unanimously they shared that the problems for their partners began as a result of contact with pornography in late childhood and early teens. The average age for first exposure is 11 years. Statistics indicate that 1 in 3 men have a problem with pornography. Pornography is not just a male problem. 28% those admitting to sexual addiction are women (internet-filter-review.com).

      What adults do, is said to be their business, but when it touches the lives of their families and their children, then I say not only should we be protecting children from pornography, but there should be a total ban on it as there is for smoking in public places.
          47% percent of families said pornography is a problem in their home (Focus on the Family Poll, October 1, 2003).
          The Internet was a significant factor in 2 out of 3 divorces (American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers in 2003 - divorcewizards.com).
          9 out of 10 children aged between the ages of 8 and 16 have viewed pornography on the Internet, in most cases unintentionally (London School of Economics January 2002).
          1 in 7 children who use the internet have been sexually solicated - 2005. (Internet Filter Review)
          1 in 4 kids participate in Real Time Chat. (FamilyPC Survey, 2000).
          1 in 5 children (10 to 17 years old) receives unwanted sexual solicitations online (Youth Internet Safety Survey, U.S. Department of Justice, 2001).
          2 in 5 abductions of children ages 15-17 are due to Internet contact (San Diego Police Dept.).
          76% of victims in Net-initiated sexual exploitation cases were 13-15, 75% were girls. “Most cases progressed to sexual encounters” - 93% of the face-to-face meetings involved illegal sex (Journal of Adolescent Health, November 2004).


      If you think this is over the top then Google “sexaholism” (508 hits), “internet pornography” (115,000 hits) or “pornography addiction statistics” (60,500 hits) and read the medical reports.

      Unfortunately the links I tried to include were denied access… so Google internet-pornography-statistics, truth about pornography, recovery from a sexual addiction, sexual addiction.

    • Brendan says:

      04:47pm | 17/09/09

      “Think of the children”.

      Its always the first catch cry of a person who can’t mount an arguement that stands on its own merits.  What you really want to say is “lets ban pornography”.  If that’s what you advocate, at least have the stones to come out and say it.  Stop hiding behind kids.

      Its a bit like your little dig that exposure to porn causes people to develop “sexually deviant tendencies”.  That seems to be code for turning homo.  But of course you’re not going to promote gay bashing…unless of course its “for the good of the children”.


      If you want to say that, then at least have the stones to say it!

    • !Frank says:

      04:50pm | 17/09/09

      Yes I am a porn addict, as such I take every precution I can to avoid it. I will not go into pubs with skimpies and avoid reading newspapers/mags with photos that trigger the addictive compulstion. I choose not to OPT IN, unfortunatly with the internet with pop ups and search tags to supposidly innocent searchs I find my choice to OPT IN is diminised. I fully support internet, which includes mobiles, censhorship or at least restricted access, give us the choice to OPT IN. If I as an adult, with a problem granted, seek protection how much more should we protect children

    • Voxpop says:

      05:40pm | 17/09/09

      Sorry but I just cannot take this seriously.

      Yes, I absolutely agree that porn should not be viewed by kids and I believe the law as it stands has got it covered.  But really one man’s porn is another man’s Kmart underwear catalogue and you lot would like to ban everything including that and advertising that crosses your idea of morality.  Talk about OTT.

      You lot are arguing the worst case scenario (some disgusting minds among you) which those with rational minds have pointed out is already illegal and covered by law - but lets not let the truth get in the way of a self-serving sermon.

      So why do you get all emotive and misrepresent the issue??  Religion.

      I’d like to see a law that states you cannot indoctrinate a child under the age of 16 to religion.  Parents all over the place are ruining their childs development by forcing religion onto them from an early age.  And then there’s the added danger of a peadophillic priest getting their hands on them - but wait maybe it’s actually the perverted mind that seeks these things out (in other words the perversion is there with or without a stimulous) or are you trying to say that all those preists were subscribing to penthouse and hustler before they were even published.

    • Matthew says:

      06:15pm | 17/09/09

      angela, ACMA’s blacklist has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The “abhorrent fetishes” you talk about are allowed in Australia and are published legally and sold in R18+ Category 2 magazines, available to purchase in any state in Australia except Queensland. The same fetishes are not allowed in X-rated films. Go figure. As seen in the leaked blacklists, there is no child porn on them and all of the adult websites on the blacklist are registered in the US and conform to Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act of 1988 (18 U.S.C. § 2251). Also you might find this quite amusing;  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/15/ozzie_censorship_mess/

      Ongey Kambah, seriously now. On Ted Bundy; “In Ted Bundy’s case, no serious social scientist or law enforcement officer takes the explanation that ‘pornography made me do it’ seriously. Well before Bundy turned the pages of a sexually explicit magazine or watched an adult video he was exhibiting bizarre behaviour. Dr Dorothy Lewis, who conducted multiple interviews with the killer just after his arrest, reported that Bundy was a highly disturbed child at the age of three.” Source: Dealing with Pornography: The Case Against Censorship, Paul Wilson, University of New South Wales Press Ltd, 1995

      2 in 5 abductions of children ages 15-17 are due to Internet contact ; false see here; http://pauccomm.adventistfaith.org/missing-children The rest of your post is rubbish or irrelevant to the discussion at hand, so no need to debunk it.

    • Warwick Marsh says:

      07:16pm | 17/09/09

      Congratulations Scott Morrison you are speaking up on behalf of the children of Australia who rarely get a voice. These are some of the statistics my wife and I quoted at Australia’s first Sexual Integrity Forum http://www.sif.org.au  in 2005. Not much has changed. How much longer should our children wait.

      “Sexual assault has increased by almost 30% since 1999.”
      “Men in prison for sexual assault have doubled since 1988.”
      “The risk of sexual violence doubled in adulthood for women who were abused as a child.”
      “84% of boys and 60% of girls have had exposure to internet pornography.”
      “73% of boys and 11% of girls have watched x-rated videos.”
      “2/3rds of sex crimes in Australia are committed against our children.”

      These statistics are still pleading for our action. Now much longer should our children wait.

    • Barry says:

      10:52pm | 17/09/09

      Thank goodness for Scott Morrison; children are being forced to come to terms with adulthood long before they are ready. There is no logical reason for hastening the onset of this barrage. Indeed society does not benefit from any sexual perversions. It is vital for all children to be protected and guided in their formative years plus ensuing years of development and growth. During secondary school years, the youth are bombarded with an inordinate amount of sexual messages and activities. The statistics mentioned by Warwick Marsh must not be ignored. Society is racing towards extinction, people are accepting that moral compasses are no longer relevant.

    • Tony says:

      06:07am | 18/09/09

      Pastor John, I have not read your references as your introduction doesn’t suggest that they pertain to this topic. This topic is about a parents “right” under the law to show R-Rated material to a minor. Not X-Rated, as you have also stated, but just R-rated. We all know X is banned for any minor. If it is damaging for a child to see R Rated material from one person, surely it is damaging to be shown it by another (ie parent); especially when, as is this case, the parents are not in agreement with this exposure. The law goes on to justify gaurdians doing the same. This could be step-parents, possibly grand-parents, and step grand-parents. Where do we stand if surragacy laws are changed? There can be up to 10 people who can legally show R-rated material to a minor.
      If you are a Pastor, then you will understand the consequences of leading a child (little one) into sin. If you are not a pastor, and are in fact Fiona Patten writing under an assumed name, you will have no idea what I am talking about!

    • Julie Hession says:

      10:40am | 18/09/09

      Unfortunately “trusting” parents to do the right thing these days is a bit of a risk when you have so many parents around that themselves have not been Parented!  It is my own generation who are responsible for this…..  We have become such self-centered people that “anything goes” as long as it doesn’t hurt ME! Our kids have lousy role-models…....they are exposed to so much rubbish on TV…..half-dressed women wiggling their bottoms into the camera…..kill everyone videos and games…....eat junk ads on TV….no wonder they are getting so confused…..they are being fed “rubbish” so they start producing “rubbish”.  It is a parents responsibility to oversee and feed their children “good” things and so many of us let our own families down in this.  We are too busy, or too tired, or too caught up at work to realize that our kids see us as incidental to their lives…...Our function is to GET them to things, not BE with them. Time= interest and love in kids eyes.  As for this father being so stupid or careless enought to leave pornography around his home….....he is probably just another victim of “non-parenting parents”.  Some of these people have just never been taught any parenting skills…..they just don’t know about setting examples etc. (Good ones hopefully)  Parenting needs to be taught in schools….....not just sex information but the role of a parent etc.  I think that allowing parents to split their income would mean that in a lot of parents only one would need to work and the other would have the opportunity to be a REAL parent…..be available, spend time.

    • Tom says:

      10:50am | 18/09/09

      If we dont stand to protect the children, they will be exploited. I DO NOT allow my 14 year old to watch commercial televison - utter filth. I DO NOT allow any of my children to watch Music Videos - scamply dressed. I enforce net filters, safe browsers (pop up free) and restricted search engine use. I am disgusted to have to drive past billboards with women in underwear 10 ft high. What has this world allowed to be normal. I am ashamed to have not made a stand and voiced my concern!!!!

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      12:43pm | 18/09/09

      @Tom

      Good for you. It’s nice to see a parent taking responsibility for parenting and not relying upon legislation or ill-conceived mandatory filters and censorship.

    • Pastor John says:

      01:14pm | 18/09/09

      @Tony, you misrepresented what you did not even read fully.

      I do not want kids seeing inappropriate material (be it PG, M, MA, R ....).

      The essence is that current, read current legal framework that we live under gives protection to children against exposure to inappropriate material.  Its just which law is used.  The Politician picked on one ACT/law and ranted on about “protect the children” to get fame and future votes.  But he fails to point out the Act/law that gives the legal right to ‘Child Protection Department’ to investigate and take to court any PARENT who is exposing any of their children to inappropriate material.  Does not matter the rating, if the department workers, who are trained, determine the child is being harmed, or inappropriately dealt with then the parent is dealt with.

      Anybody familiar with actual cases outlined in the article would have known this.  So I suspect that it was a contrived situation to allow the Politician to pretend to be a good guy wipping up the concerned parents and gaining himself future votes.

      It is a shame that people don’t look past inciteful claims and realise this problem has already been looked after in the law.  Protection of children have always been maintained by the politicians in relation to what the article deals with.

      No matter the law it will always be possible to have children exposed to inappropriate material, so I call on the Politician to be real and propose real solutions rather than change laws when other laws exist that do a better job.  For example introduce education programs to empower people to be good parents.

      Now consider this Tony, what if there was a dvd concerning the war and persecution of Christians/Jews, with a R18+ rating for adult themes and occasional violence because it had actual footage of war deaths.  Would you want a parent jailed because they decided to show their child a selected portion of the dvd.  Please realise I am suggesting an appropriate portion that is NOT inappropriate for the child.

      The current law rightly allows this to happen and even if Children Services were called in they would be able to discern appropriateness.  But under the ill thought plan of the Politician, the parent(s) would be hauled off to the watch house until a bail hearing and not see their children until after the final court case, at which point the law would force the judge to find them guilty.  This is the sort of situation that this change would make unnecessarily.  Realise children are protected under current laws, just this particular law is not where its done.

      If you wish to criticise me at least read what I said.

    • Elizabeth Rogers says:

      01:21pm | 18/09/09

      \i am appalled that the government has left us without legislation to prevent what is happening.
      two and a half years ago a migrant family moved in across the road.
      The father later migrated to America with family from his other wife.
      I have helped with this family as I would not like to be the mother trying to bring up all her children without the father here.
      I have been like a grandmother to the children even having them to stay overnight and taking them away with me on visits to family.
      A couple of weeks ago I received a phone call from tem to come and help in a family crisis. The now 13 year old boy had raped the almost five year old cousin. I took them to the police station at their request and and what I could not believe was true! I took temporary custody of the 13 year old boy to prevent him being locked up and raped himself.
      It turns out that in his pocket he had a memory stick filled with pornography!
      No cover on my computer could prevent him watching it if I was not watching him 24 hours a day.
      Please let the government know this as I believe many from his community own these memory sticks for that reason.

    • Pastor John says:

      01:25pm | 18/09/09

      @Tom, just to be clear, I encourage parents to be concerned for their children and to careful with what they watch.

      And on the other side of the coin I do not support Politicians who come out proclaiming their concern for children and misrepresent what the current law (as a whole) is.  They are preying on praying christians who don’t have experience with the current law and think the Politician is being completely honest.

    • SR says:

      02:40pm | 18/09/09

      Point 1 – It is already illegal to expose a child to pornography

      Point 2 – Pornography is not the latest issue of Victoria’s Secret

      Point 3 – This proposed change will only make it illegal to expose a child to R18+, X18+ and RC material.

      Point 4 – The majority of the proponents of this amendment believe that material classified as MA15+, M and PG should also be deemed illegal to expose to a child.

      Point 5 – This amendment will have little impact on material accessed from the internet – the majority of which is unclassified.

      Point 6 – The Australian Government and Governments of the States have no intention of implementing laws that will result in unemployment (which can lead to all sorts of nasties (crime, prostitution etc).

    • lisa says:

      04:44pm | 18/09/09

      @ Pastor John
      1) Iwas commenting to the printed story where it stated that after they had checked with the police, the woman concerned still had no recourse available to her. If, as you suggest, they can get in child welfare or similar organisations , I dont see how that is going to help, especially if the father is not obliging - recent events showing how lacking authorities can be.
      2)As to protecting our children, I feel, we as a society need to all be on the side of our innocent children. Yes I am quite capable of protecting my children to a certain extent _ but I cannot be with them 24hrs a day and can only hope that others in their sphere of influence are not at liberty to go against my wishes. Having been in a similar position as this women, I can understand her concern and doubt if it is all just related to custody and family court matters.
      3) The main point I was trying to make is can we as a society not err on theside of caution for the sake of our children, rather than allowing the sex trade to have their concerns put ahead of our childrens.l

    • Reg says:

      05:23pm | 18/09/09

      The most important question to ask about any new law is NOT “what benefits will it bring,” but rather “how can it be abused?”

      Pastor John has already given examples of the existing laws being abused by those wanting leverage in custody battles, and that’s just with X-rated material. Most households - even those with responsible parents - would contain at least one R-rated film; and even if they don’t, they’re much easier to obtain than X-rated. Not only custody battles, but petty neighbourhood disputes, teenagers wanting to get back at their parents, any number of people could abuse a law like this.

      And only a fool would think that the presumption of innocence would be enough to save the innocent. Just look at the number of people in this thread desperate to hold others to account for their allegedly “bad parenting” - if they caught one whiff of someone in their street having ALLEGEDLY allowed their child in the same room with an R-rated film, do you really think these people would patiently wait for the courts to decide the accused’s guilt? No, they’d be forming protest mobs and vigilante parties as if the poor sod was Dennis Ferguson himself.

      Who will you have really saved?

    • Pastor John says:

      06:17pm | 18/09/09

      @Lisa, the Child Protection department has the legal right to have either parent removed and/or remove the children from the place.

      If resourcing is an issue as you state then law changes will not help as who will investigate the situations after the law is changed? 

      The Government will not change the law, its already adequately dealt with in the law (2 or more ACTS/laws), and will be left to the child services department.

      Would not the Politician be better to show how he will get increased resources where they are needed.

      You see the Politician was simply after a knee jerk reaction to get some more traction with the Christian community by using a very emotive example.

      The example is more likely made up as the Police DO KNOW of Child Services Department as they have to often refer cases to them.  That is why I can safely claim the article’s initial situation is 99% a fabrication.  Also community/family help centres know of the Department, and so would have the Politician.  It is a shame he has whipped up a frenzy and mislead so many well meaning and concerned people just for his own gain.

      We certain can have problems when we err on either side when child protection is the issue.  Laws often have unintended consequences that can be very damaging to those involved.  Child Services have broken apart families for less than what the Politician has claimed.  But read the article again and you will notice that he uses emotive techniques and actually contradicts himself over the severity of the case in question (both in the article and subsequent comments by him here).

      Children do need to be protected, but we as a community need to be careful how it is done.  To little and children are harmed, to much and families risk being broken apart and again children harmed.  The law in this regard is actually adequate and Child Services actually have a lot of power in the law as to how they deal with situations.

    • Alexis says:

      06:38pm | 18/09/09

      Firstly, I am athiest. Anyone who subscribes to organised religion reviles me. I do not adhere to any particular theological moral code..

      Secondly, I am astounded at so many replies defending the right of children to be exposed to pornography. Are you all INSANE?

      Just what is it you hope to accomplish here? What is it you WANT? Im perplexed. I don’t understand…

      I recall as a 9 year old girl having a slumber party at a friends house and someone put a porno on. I have not forgotton it. That was the start of years of a barrage of psychological confusion and loathing. I still suffer the consequences today and continually battle to come to terms with society’s obsession with sex. So much is reported on the news so many victims, so much pain and hurt…

      So those so called ‘civil libertarians’ spouting that it doesn’t do damage, Im here to tell you THAT IT DOES, and that I am living proof of that damage.
      Get a grip!

    • Tracey says:

      08:18pm | 18/09/09

      there are too many posts here to read through them all and every one that i have read seems to be written really eloquently.

      I just want to add my voice to the others who agree with restricting access to porn for minors. It angers me to know that some parents dont even care about the importance of teaching their children the value of true intamacy between husband and wife - porn teaches the children that sex in all its forms is acceptable including some of the vicious things that porn includes like bondage, violence during sex and simply gratifying oneself rather than being with the person. porn is an unacceptable medium to begin with !

    • Alex says:

      01:26am | 19/09/09

      Its about time we that are abused, to make a stand. GetUp.com is keeping a close eye on this. Will ThePunch also?

      Notification to the citizens of Townsville and surrounding areas. Have you or do you know of a soul,whether child/ren or Parent/s,Families that has been abused by a government body,namely the dept of child safety?.If so,do you want Justice?.do you want your life back?. Enough is ENOUGH. We are Seeking a class action.Contact me if you want to be apart of it.

      If your from the Toowoomba Area, this is for you.
      MEETING,TWMBA: SATURDAY 19TH SEPTEMBER 10:30AM INITIAL PLACE OF MEETING ...OUTSIDE THE MOBILE PETROL STATION AT THE TOP OF THE RANGE, WHERE THEY WILL BE INFORMED AS TO WHERE TO GO FROM THERE.

    • Alex says:

      04:52am | 19/09/09

      I can only guess that “thepunch” is just as gutless as SBS,ACA and today tonight and other media, That wont cover the Stories of the Real Abused souls in this Un_lucky country.
      You are all forgetting,without Parents,there is NO children to be a commodity to the Government.
      It is this government that cant make their minds up to what is the legal age,Giving 16 yr olds that Adult status. why can a 16 yr old obtain a driving license to become killers or be killed on the roads?, Why does a 14 yr old has to pay adult fees to movies?. Then the State government State that a 16 yr old can have sex, while a lesser government body, The dept of child safety States 18, thats contradiction, entrapment, and devision. Law will place a 17 yr old in a prison, Family values in this Country is dead and gone,so to is human rights, Bligh quoted, we have a fair justice system, Where?.
      My story Alone will tear open Corruption,as Tony Fitzgerald Quoted that is Still in full swing in Queensland.
      And now you all wanna bring Christian Morals into this. We will All be Judged, and those that has turned away from the victims abused by government will are just hell bait.
      For you Paster John and whoever thinks they know, What is the True meaning of the Samaritan ?.

      I have never been SO ashamed to be a Australian,as I do today.

    • Tony says:

      10:22am | 19/09/09

      Pastor John (as you are calling yourself), You told me to read what you said before I criticise you. Read again what I said… I read what you said, I did not read your reference because of what you said in your introduction to it.
      This is very typical of yourself and other people advocating for the sex industry that they read what they want, misquote it and then call everyone else judgemental and biggotted.
      One blogger in this column suggested that the majority of people advocating a law change here wanted Victoria’s Secret banned. Wow, when was that poll taken? But don’t let facts get in the way of your multi-million dollar sex industry. Another condemned “religious folk” for needing counselling from a minister who was counselling 5 couples. Yet, no-where did the original writer say that they were religious; or that both were religious, only that they needed counselling from someone that was “religious”. But good luck with all that biggotry.
      Let’s return somewhere near where it all began. R-Rated material can currently be shown by a parent or guardian to a minor without infringing the law. Any thinking person, particularly a pastor, would see this as wrong.
      I am not going to blog again to you on this issue, so say what you want about me. I am actually a member of a political party and am not as big a political zealout as yourself. You said in one of your early blogs that Christians should be teaching the Bible and staying out of politics, but that was about 15 blogs ago so you may not remember.
      You have no credibility.

    • HELEN says:

      04:29pm | 19/09/09

      I have travelled and lived in Asia and the sex trade is thriving there.  Australia is a receiver of these human slaves.  We need to stand against it. The emotional turmoil and physical abuses are horendous to fix ,if they ever can be. Both these children and ours should be protected from Adult predators.  We save the whales and trees but not our kids.  DOH how daft can we get.!!!!!

    • Alex says:

      10:08pm | 19/09/09

      @ Tony: ” I am actually a member of a political party “
      Which one ?. and would you support a movement of victims to tackle the corruption of the dept of child safety ?.

    • R says:

      06:10am | 20/09/09

      READ ROMANS 1:18-32
      Don’t waste your time replying, since no matter what you say you can’t change the truth.

    • cat says:

      04:42pm | 20/09/09

      Matthew, I didn’t say that single parents are evil…but children exposed to porn early feel pressured into having sex early which quite often leads to pregnancy & possible abortions. Why? Because the kids think they have to be sexually active to be ‘cool’ and to feel ‘loved’ (lack of parenting by their own parents). This phenomenon has been on the increase in the last 20 years or so and particularly the last 10.  As you point out yourself porn has been freely available since the early 70’s and are you saying that there is less aggression in society since then… Where’s YOUR evidence…mine is in the papers, at the local police station, in your neighbourhood.  My earlier comment wasn’t necessarily aimed at broken marriages/defacto’s. So don’t be so defensive.

    • Matthew says:

      08:13am | 21/09/09

      Cat, you need to show links between the availability of porn and violence. Just because something exists that you don’t like means it influences something else. You have to establish a link between the two. It’s not my job to disprove your theory. The onus is on you to come up with the evidence. Not once did I say Australia was a less violent society in any of my posts. If you have a look at the ABS statistics, crime (including violent crime) has remained the same, though people reporting assault has increased. So, in conclusion people report assault more, but the amount violence has not increased. Also prehaps we should be teaching kids about safe sex. I know when I was a teen, I wanted to have sex because of the urge and it felt great, not because it was cool. Teens become sexually active because of their hormones, not because of porn.

    • Alex says:

      02:08pm | 21/09/09

      Cat:
      Then why has government introduced sex education to the school system targetting 5 yr olds ?.
      these kids learn all about Sex in the schools and by the time they get to 12, they want to try it.
      Its not Porn that they MIGHT see at home, its not from the parents, Its from the government, cause they know, Sex is the number one money making machine from Kids.

    • Deryck Thomas says:

      03:29pm | 21/09/09

      Scott Morrison is on to something to have attracted the sort of negative comments expressed here. Here’s one chosen at random; “There is an agenda of the ACL to revert us back to a state controlled religion/government”. Couldn’t be further from the truth - it’s actually what a country is like under Sharia law. Why blame the ACL for something they don’t stand for? Denis Ferguson is surely a reminder to us all that we really DO want to protect our children. What have we got to fear about getting the media cleaned up?

    • Reg says:

      04:06pm | 21/09/09

      So Dennis Ferguson is what he is because of the media? Way to emotively cloud the issue.

      The issue is simple: a politician with a sympathetic ear has been approached with a bogus tale (completely co-incidentally the exact same story told by Jim Wallace of the ACL at FORT Australia the other week), and is now in hysteria-whipping mode, hoping to hoover up some of the fundy vote.

      He has thus far failed to conclusivly prove why the irresponsible legislative changes he proposes are needed.

      He has thus far failed to conclusively prove how the irresponsible legislative changes he proposes will protect anyone.

      The question is thus: who stands to gain the most from such proposed laws?
      Those who continually try to pin the blame on the EEEVUL!! porn industry might do well to heed their own advice, and follow the money.

    • Alex says:

      04:52pm | 21/09/09

      Reg: Wow!!! a Politician with a Sympathetic ear, Where?.
      I contacted Mr Rudd,only to be bucked passed to Phil Reeves, that was the 1st week of September.
      I have documents of perjury,slander,discrimination,Fabrication, The list just goes on and on,from a government body,And nobody wants to touch it. Why?.
      Have a peek here and see how many there is, that have also been treated badly by the system.  http://forums.altnews.com.au/forums/families-and-children-forums
      If a up and coming Politician took this on, he/she will be voted in as fast as.
      The forde Inquiry Proved that Abuse, Tony Fitzgerald confirms corruption is still growing, and Families are still being ripped apart and Innocence have to struggle to be heard.

    • Reg says:

      05:22pm | 21/09/09

      Alex says: Wow!!! a Politician with a Sympathetic ear, Where?

      Depends on who you want them to be sympathetic towards. There are plenty of votes in hysteria, but not many in picking up the pieces when hysteria destroys lives and families.

    • Nicola Saad says:

      06:34pm | 21/09/09

      If more proof is needed that porn enslaves the mind and distorts men’s view of sexuality, how about this…
      I am currently reading “The Year of Living Biblically” by A.J. Jacobs - a secular Jew who attempts to live the Bible literally for a year so he can write a book about it. 
      He humourously describes his battle to control lust (a battle he loses) and later mentions that he used to read his dad’s pornographic magazines with him, under the guise of “censoring” them.  While he doesn’t make the link between his childhood exposure to pornography and his adult inability to control his lustful urges, this is a common response to childhood exposure to porn. 
      Forget the notion that proposed legislative changes are to make Australia safer, though they well might.  How about just making Australia mentally and emotionally cleaner?  How about allowing children to have a childhood?  How about encouraging our future young men to respect women as whole people, rather than just boobs on legs?  Let’s change the status quo for the better!!

    • Matthew says:

      07:35pm | 21/09/09

      Nicola Saad, loved your “evidence”. Hey, there’s no links and he’s an adult, but it’s obvious he’s been affected! People wonder why we can’t take groups like the ACL seriously. First, porn is meant to be sexual fantasy, not reality. Even as a teenager I could see that. Second, the whole “lustful urges” thing is quite common in humans. What you might not understand (or more likely refuse to belive) is that this is nature’s way of getting us to continue to multiply and keep the species going. It amazes me that that in the 21st century we still have groups that are still afraid of sex, and want to control what adults do sexually, and most recently under the guise of “saving the children”. Its exploitation of children to get what these groups want, pure and simple, and it makes me sick.

      In trying to get society as a whole to respect women more, how is Mr Morrison’s law going to enable that? You’re trying to solve a massive social problem (which has no links to the law Mr Morrison is proposing) by banning parents from showing children R18+ movies, the majority of which are sold in this country are not pornographic. The logic behind this defies me. It will not do anything at all. Irresponsible parents will still lets kids watch R18+ movies because the law is essentially unenforceable, teens will still see seek out porn like they have for decades and women will still be seen as sex objects by some men. Even if this stupid law goes ahead, it will achieve nothing.

    • Alex says:

      08:12pm | 21/09/09

      Reg:. I desire, as I believe many also, To have Human rights,to have Justice, when attacked by a lesser government body.
      Sympathetic towards the families,the children, the parents of this nation to have their day in court against the department of child(not)safety.

      Nicola: When you bring Christianity to any Discussion, be prepared to be tested on your faith. 2000 yrs ago, a man tries to spread the truth, ends up on a cross.
      To be Christ like is so very,very hard, yet Christ said this is what we as human must do, to follow in his footsteps, hence I/we are just mere humans and we/I will always fall short of that Glory.
      ” How about just making Australia mentally and emotionally cleaner?”
      Yaps, get rid of the now government, and your wish will come true.
      ” How about allowing children to have a childhood?”
      How?. when it is that government that gave these kids that Adult status.
      ” How about encouraging our future young men to respect women as whole people”
      It was just like you stated, Until Howard place his hoof into parliament and the family values and morals was No more.
      Get ready for the Next Stolen generation coming.

    • Alex says:

      08:17pm | 21/09/09

      Matt: Word, you stated that Nicely.
      10 odd yrs ago, the Word “FUCK” could not be said on national television, now,one can hear it everyday.
      Before, you saw nothing of sex on Television, ok, maybe benny hill push it a bit smile
      But today times, just on SBS, one can see humans have sex in full detail. Huh?.
      and Cat: you need to get out more. how many closet pedos are in government ?. how many high class citizens are molesting kids?.
      Media focused on Dennis Ferguson for only one reason, Propaganda.

    • Gayle Coward says:

      09:02pm | 21/09/09

      Having read some of these comments, I can only say what a sad and sorry state this country is in.  I can’t believe how many people are prepared to defend pornography - lust over love.  I also can’t believe how many people are prepared to expose innocent children, who should be able to live their lives as children, to the degradation of the human spirt that pornography engenders.  Have a look at all the crimes committed in the name of lust!  What crime can you see that is committed in the name of love.  Of course, some may use the excuse of ‘love’, but love does not commit a crime.  Please don’t allow a situation where children are deprived of their potential to know and feel real love, fulfilled by loving sex - not lust - all in the name of avoiding a ‘nanny state’.  Congratulations to Scott Morrison for recognising this and I wish him all the best in his endeavours.

    • Karin says:

      10:18pm | 21/09/09

      I think that parents should be dealt with through “the” useless government agency, just as those parents who don’t send their children to school are dealt with by centrelink, if their children exibit the wrong behaviors as a result of being exposed to porn. Perhaps the government and legal systems are looking for extra work as the kids get older, or perhaps they are simply incapable of legislating for the benefit of our young ones. The government can act if it wants to, but their political correctness is wrecking our society.

    • cat says:

      10:21pm | 21/09/09

      Matthew, as I said in my very first comment -  I have watched porn & I did not say that I did not enjoy it (when in the mood) but I’m an adult with a fairly good grip on reality. This rating would also apply to the various computer games available which contrary to all the deniers out there, do cause aggressive tendencies in some people (probably more than not) and the same goes for porn.
      You know what…I don’t think it’s up to people who can see a link between society’s ills and the various ways things (including alcohol - the ‘acceptable’ drug, illicit drugs and smoking) affect people to prove that there is an effect. I think it’s up to the rest of you to prove that all this stuff doesn’t affect the majority of people in a negative way.
      How many times have we heard of big companies knowing their product (tobacco or asbestos for example) causes problems but will deny it till the cows come home? Just because porn in particular doesn’t cause physical illness, who’s to say early and repeated exposure to it doesn’t bring on mental illness?
      As for sex-education for primary students, it’s a stupid idea that I agree only encourages children into inappropriate behaviour. However for year 9’s and up it’s probably reasonable, though I’m still not sold on it. I didn’t allow my children to attend it in primary school, so maybe more parents out there shouldn’t expect the gov’t to teach their kids this stuff and they’ll get rid of it. Their primary school no longer has sex-ed.

    • micheal brown says:

      11:05am | 22/09/09

      the parent is to blame in this case , showing their five year old something like this , , we all know this is wrong , i find it a disgrace exposing a child this young being shown this stuff but how can this be policed when one’s door is shut in their own home , it will be very difficult , and i hope their is some that can be done , lets hope other children haven’t been exposed to this by the same person ,

      im a forgotten australian and am still hurt by the injustice of our goverments and the courts , for the rapes and abuse victims like me suffered in the state and church run institutions ,

      i hope you succed , with your push in parliament , ,  also i would like for you to place a bill into parialment that and person who harms a child sexually physically , should never be released from gaol , this is one way our children can have more protection ,from all these pedophiles ,

    • Matthew says:

      02:07pm | 22/09/09

      Cat, you and others have made the claim that porn is harmful. Therefore YOU have to come up with the evidence that it does. You made the claim, not me. Both tobacco and asbestos have been scientifically proven that they cause cancer and mesotheliomas. This is undeniable. There has to be some sort of scientific basis for your claims, and you have provided none.

      If, as you keep claiming that there is a link, can YOU please point to some evidence there is. Please don’t ask me to do it as I can find no credible evidence. The only “evidence” is from people linked to religious groups or discussion papers like the Flood and Hamilton Report. I note that in June of this year, Michael Flood not only did a back flip on internet filtering, but said “we say that 16 and 17 year olds can have consenting sex, why can’t they look at pictures of other people having consenting sex?”  and It’s well-documented that children and young people, who are exposed to sexual content, in advertising and other mainstream media and in porn, develop more liberal attitudes. [...] They are more likely to think that pre-marital and non-marital sex is OK, they are more likely to think that homosexuality is OK (I think that’s a good thing) and so on”. See http://newmatilda.com/2009/06/05/original-net-nanny-advocate-does-back-flip

      I also think it’s very weird to claim that looking any type of porn cause mental problems. Porn is about sex.  How are you able to have sex if it’s causing you mental anguish?

      I do not understand why you think sex education is stupid for primary school aged children. I was a very early bloomer (about 11 or so). I had sex education in year 5, yet I didn’t have sex or experiment at all until high school. Why deprive children like me of sex education? Why not tell them what is going on? I would think this would cause more problem by not educating them.

    • Alex says:

      02:47pm | 22/09/09

      micheal brown
      “the parent is to blame in this case , showing their five year old something like this , , we all know this is wrong , i find it a disgrace exposing a child this young being shown this stuff”.
      Did you not read to what I wrote ?, concerning how government Introduced Sex Education into the school systems ?. And the 5 yr old’s learns all about Sex.
      Why then is it ok to Show and to teach Porno in schools?. And AT 5 yrs ?.

      I to Suffered in these nazi camps of Australia. I still feel and live that pain to this day.
      ” i hope you succed , with your push in parliament , ,  also i would like for you to place a bill into parialment that and person who harms a child sexually physically , should never be released from gaol , this is one way our children can have more protection ,from all these pedophiles”
      Oh!!! I like This….But thats only a band aid to the solution, How about placing these scums,Say on Christmas Island,have patrol boats and GPRS devices inserted in their body and if they try to escape, A bullet,No questions.

      ” I do not understand why you think sex education is stupid for primary school aged children. I was a very early bloomer (about 11 or so).
      “I had sex education in year 5, yet I didn’t have sex or experiment at all until high school.”
      10-15-20 odd yrs ago laws were totally different. today,The now, 5 yr olds learn of sex education as you like to call it and by the time they reach 11-12-13 and soon on, the Children want to try it. They become targets for Pedo’s.
      Then what about the street kids, abused everyday and no one cares. The dept of child safety will bypass these children and target normal stable homes, the State government will over look this to and federal government just add more band aids.
      Pedophilia makes money,Porno makes money,family units that are torn apart,makes money,Humans that are on that provided line suffer the most,For they Have NO money to defend,being treated as Un_human,Un_fit to life.
      How can a civilization that State, are civilize, be so Un_civilize ?.
      Why deprive children like me of sex education? Why not tell them what is going on? I would think this would cause more problem by not educating them.”

    • Shell says:

      06:02pm | 22/09/09

      Better still show some moral spine - get the porn out of your homes and treat women, children and men with respect grin

    • Reg says:

      06:22pm | 22/09/09

      Respect must be earned; those who demand respect deserve none.

      And if people can’t separate the fantasy of movies (pornographic or otherwise) from the reality of day-to-day social interaction - AND teach their children how to do the same - then they’ve got far bigger problems than a knee-jerk ban on skin flicks has any hope of solving.

      Maybe the ACL’s pet psychologists like Hamilton and Sonderegger could start directing their efforts in that sort of direction instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the porn…but of course, that wouldn’t generate as much publicity!

    • Akame says:

      10:39am | 23/09/09

      well, what parents do in the family role is really important to train and help little child developing their sense of life, but not some rubbish stuff like watching porn with the child

    • timbo says:

      12:39pm | 23/09/09

      I love all these “because you can’t prove it, its not happening” type arguements that always get trotted out, and also the “oh my god, we’re turning into a repressed nanny state” and “I can do whatever I want and stuff the rest of you, jack” type statements, all in response to a column written by a concerned pollie/human/parent about what he is seeing in society today.

      I dont believe porn makes you evil any more than I believe computer games make you violent, or watching drug taking on TV makes you want drugs - I believe that if you have enough life experience and/or education about such matters you can view this material and understand the contexts that surround them.

      I think that generally, children up to the age of 10 don’t fully understand these situations. They may APPEAR to on the surface but if you probe into their statements, you’ll more than likely find that they are simply repeating without understanding what they heard from elsewhere - from a TV show, the news, another adult or overhearing an adult conversation.

      Using the porn angle for a minute, suppose a 9 yo boy finds a folder on the family computer where his father keeps porn clips that he’s downloaded. The boy views one of the clips - lets just say its a 2 men/one woman senario. Forgetting about emotion for a second, try and think about how a 9 yo would logically deal with viewing that clip? Both the men and woman in the clip are panting/shouting/moaning/whatever, very physical activity going on, lots of swearing and possibly derogartory remarks from both the men and women towards each other, etc (yes, I have watched porn - I know what goes on smile ). Since 99% porn is designed mainly for male enjoyment and arousal, they portray situations that are generally very far from the truth of what sex is normally about. Its fantasy stuff - but children don’t understand that and aren’t able to logically make it fit into their world as they know it up to that point. And before you say “thats an extreme example or porn”, it actually isn’t, its very very common, and very very available.

      I dont subscribe to the “They’ll find out about it anyway” arguement from parents to justify willing and knowlying exposing their children to inappropriate material. Yes, of course, they’ll find out about sex, drugs, and violence and the types of things that humans will do to themselves and other “consenting” humans, but EXPECTING them to UNDERSTAND what they are seeing and hearing, and then EXEPCTING that their children will grow up completely unaffected by such material, is another matter completely. I believe the CONTEXT in which the children first sees that material has a huge impact on their reaction towards it - the boy stumbling across porn on the computer will probably have a very different reaction to the boy who’s father watches the clip with him and explains the context of the clip, and answers the boy’s questions truthfully and honestly (I doubt very much these parents would do the latter). Which boy has the better attitude towards the material?

      I’m not a prude, I’m male, I like sex, have watch my fair share of porn, played my fair share of “violent” computer games, and I love a good, well-written TV show/film with a saucy plotline, but we now live in a era where all of this material is now so freely available it is mindblowing. In one generation we’ve gone from hardcore porn that was reserved for sex shops, computer games were about shooting rows of invading aliens in 2 colours at your local shop, and 4 channels of TV to a world where all types of porn (both legal and illegal) is available on your PC in your home, computer games depicting extremely realistic graphic images in your home, and all types of TV shows falling over themselves to outdo each other with more and more gruesome plot lines, music shows with almost porn-like video clips and the so-called “reality” TV. Is it not a fair enough thing to stand up and say “wait a minute, how are the kids REALLY handling all this?”. Why should society stand back and say “well, the father’s letting their child do that. Thats his right so we’ll just pick up the pieces later”. A lot of the parents today are simply copying what THEIR parents did and this may be alot of the problem, and maybe compulsory parenting courses when having a baby are not a bad idea - to let these people know that our society, as a whole, has a level of expectation of parents towards their children. Somewhere along the line, its been forgotton.

    • Claire says:

      02:26pm | 23/09/09

      If you think that shielding kids from porn is ‘wrapping them in bubble wrap’ then I feel sorry for you and the childhood you must have had.

    • Reg says:

      04:07pm | 23/09/09

      I think the most succinct response to Claire’s comment is thus: http://imgur.com/YKBAy.jpg
      WARNING: not safe for those with a phobia of the real world

    • Nicola Saad says:

      11:37pm | 23/09/09

      Matthew, I am deeply sorry for you.  It must be sad to be so cynical that you cannot fathom when people have a viewpoint which is motivated solely by genuine concern for children, and not some ulterior motive.  It is also laughable to suggest that my (and others) concerns about children’s exposure to porn are motivated by fear of sex - suffice it to say that my children weren’t immaculate conceptions!  Maybe your objections to our concerns are grounded in YOUR fear of having your lifestyle or choices curtailed in the name of the greater good. 

      For those who deny that porn harms kids, how about this for proof:  “All youngsters are at some risk from exposure to televised pornography, as described above…  the main possible effects of televised pornography… negative interference with children’s normal sexual development, emotional reactions such as nightmares and feelings of anxiety, guilt, confusion and/or shame; stimulation of premature sexual activity, development of unrealistic, misleading or harmful attitudes toward sex and male-female relationships…” This article by Benedek and Brown (No Excuse: Televised Pornography Harms Children) was published in Harvard Rev Psychiatry 1999.  I do have other articles on the subject, but not links, as they are off uni web-site.

    • Matthew says:

      12:04pm | 24/09/09

      Nicola Saad, you’re switching your stories here; are saying that pornography is harmful to adults, children or both? In you first comment you were claiming adults, now you’ve switched to children. No one who has posted here has ever claimed that children should be able to view porn. No one. I note that the evidence you have now provided (which in the first case you provided a book written by Jewish man that had nothing to do with topic at hand) is over a decade old and from what I can see was never peer reviewed. Only those of a religious bent seem to be trumpeting it as evidence.

      Second, Mr Morrison’s proposed law (which is what we should be discussing), isn’t even about porn. He’s talking about R18+ films, the most which aren’t pornographic. He’s just dressed it up this way to look as if he’s actually doing something for children when the law will do nothing. I really don’t care if the amendment to the law does do through. It won’t affect me at all, however it’s a total waste of time.

      Of course I’m rather cynical when people try to ban or restrict something under the rather annoying “think of the children”. I can see the same arguments in the current internet filtering debate; no credible evidence from those who want it, and those who want it, censorware vendors, movie studios, conservative Christian groups, politicians wanting suppress sites like wikileaks, greatly benefit from the changes. How can I not be cynical? Why should I just sit back and let minority religious groups force their own morals on to me? I have my own set of morals, but I’m not forcing them on you, so what gives them (and you) the right to force theirs onto everyone?

      As for not liking sex,  sorry but that’s the only conclusion I can come up with if you have hang ups about porn. It would seem to me that you have problems with people discussing and sharing their sexual fantasies (regardless of whether there’s a commercial transaction or not). We’ve also had other express a desire to get rid of sex education for kids in late primary school, just when a fair few of them are going through the beginning of puberty. To me this really shows these people have quite an unhealthy attitude towards sex.

    • Carmen A says:

      01:09pm | 24/09/09

      The “rather annoying think of the children” argument is one of the most prominent and important used in today’s society. Of course we have to think of the children, otherwise the future will be full of ignorant, debauched individuals with no morale concepts. Porn or no porn this entire “argument” really comes back to responsibility.

      Laws restricting minors from viewing inappropriate material sets a precedent within society that says certain material is not appropriate for a child.  It forces adults to address the social aspects of their personal habits and the impact that it may have on their children.

      Lets be realistic, if you really desperately want to access it, you can. Even if you are an 8 year old.  Curiosity is a part of growing up, but even looking and searching for material is a choice.

      What adults chose to view and experience in their own time, whether 18+ rated movies or sexual material is made by choice.

      Children are unable to make informed choices about their sexuality because their sexuality is not yet developed.  Laws that are made to protect children from viewing porn and extreme violence would not impact adults unless they desperately want to show Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Debbie Does Dallas at their 8 year olds slumber party.

      Most those who are enthusiasts of porn and high violence media would object to forcing someone who had not chosen to watch the material.
      Restricting the laws on minors viewing pornography and R18+ movies would simply strengthen the concept that children and minors need to be able to make informed decisions to view the material.
      The law exists to protect those who cannot protect themselves and therefore laws that protect children from possibly harmful material either violent or sexual are in the best interest of those they are protecting.
      If you chose to watch porn and 18+ movies as an adult, these laws wont affect you.

    • Brenda says:

      04:09pm | 24/09/09

      Growing up in an extremely closed society where even kissing scenes are censored on the television, i grew up with the realization that public display of affection in public is classified as wrong and dirty. That was my perception back then when i was young. Now, looking back on those days where my parents and other adults would make a big fuss with regards to a love scene not being censored in a movie is just silly and highly unnecessary.

      Why? Well first of all, it is human nature to be curious about things that are being banned. Secondly, what makes a parent so sure that the kid won’t go looking around for porn? Like said in comments above, it is indeed a choice for parents to exposed their kid to porn and it is also a choice if the kid reckons he/she is mature enough to grasps reality.

      The outcome of all the hiding and censoring did no good but resulted in friends of mine piling up on their porn collection. And what’s not to say that their little brother or sister may stumble upon it and either be traumatized or confused.

      Thus, kids i reckon should be carefully explained about sex and make them understand that there are just some things that are just not meant for their age to process yet. Shutting down the topic completely, banning it, or treating it as taboo is just not right. However, a parent still has a right to do what they think is right despite what other people may think.

    • Peter Williams says:

      06:11pm | 24/09/09

      Exposure of children to porn should be a punishable offence, whether it is by parents ,other adults or the television. It is totally unacceptable.

    • Brent says:

      03:04pm | 27/09/09

      The line has to be drawn somewhere and common sense should prevail, unfortuneately it doesn’t. When a parents right to do what they want in their own home endangers the mental and emotional health and well being of a child, it is clearly and unarguably wrong to any reasonable person. There needs to be laws to deal with that kind of irresponsible attitude and behaviour. The child should not be allowed to suffer because of the parent’s lack of care and respect for the chid’s well being. The previous response by Eric exemplifies this kind of irresponsible, careless and selfish way of thinking. Thank God that we don’t all think that way or this Earth that we live in would become a litteral Hell.

    • Felice says:

      11:21am | 28/09/09

      Well done, Scott!! Children are gifts from God, and parents have a responsibility to bring their children up in a way that pleases God. Get back to the Bible, people - it is SO much needed today!!

    • CM says:

      05:04pm | 01/10/09

      Oh my. This, from cat, is pure gold:

      “You know what…I don’t think it’s up to people who can see a link [...] to prove that there is an effect.”

      Of course not. Just go around making baseless assertions, and presenting your assumptions and opinions as facts.

    • Motherhen says:

      03:28am | 16/10/09

      Children must be protected whether that be from a parent or a stranger. Porn is a horrible thing to be exposed to as a young child. How terrible that so many people out there think it is the same thing as watching the news or similar. it is not. Get real people. All you are doing is trying to protect yourselves. I can’t image ANY parent disagreeing with the article. And since when has watching porn become “normal”? Why is everybody looking at porn as “normal”? it is anything but. What has this world come to? Where have your values gone? Where is your humanity? What is normal about watching 2 people having violent sex? NOTHING!

    • Jason says:

      06:30pm | 18/10/09

      Children who are the most vulnerable need protection and what Scott has said about The NSW Classification (Publications, Films and Computer Games) Enforcement Act 1995 No 63, is something that must quickly be changed to add greater protection to children

      “section 14, clause 2 says a person must not privately exhibit in the presence of a minor a film classified R 18, unless the person is a parent or guardian of the minor.  Section 24 of the same Act also says in clause 2 that a person must not sell or deliver to a minor a publication classified Category 1 restricted or Category 2 restricted, unless the person is a parent or guardian of the minor”.

      Irrespective if it is a school classmate, nanny or even parent who has possession of pornography, children must not be exposed to pornography anywhere, at anytime and in anyway; full-stop.

      Scott, well done on your courageous stance on protecting the most vulnerable; children.

    • Harold says:

      07:55am | 19/10/09

      Nice work, there, Motherhen, trying to conflate “porn” with “violent sex”.

      Stay classy.

    • LC says:

      07:46pm | 07/07/10

      First and foremost, kids live in an ADULTS world, not the other way around. Want to ban porn? Ok. But you also have to ban anything else unsuitable for children but available for adults too, like alchol, ciggies, cars, motorcycles, pest killers, weed killers, other posions, knifes, guns, any movie or game rated above PG, the internet, etc etc. If you can do that without causing uproar than go ahead.

      “He just didn’t seem to care that bringing this stuff into the home and putting it in full view of his own child was a problem.  While his actions may not constitute a sexual offence against a child under the strict definitions of the law”
      One beautiful thing about the law is that it can change when needed. Simply change the act to say that a parent exposing a minor to porn, either intentionally or recklessly (like leaving it lying around within their reach) is an offense. Simple. Fixed.

 

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