Beware the politician who likes to claim moral superiority above other politicians.  They will likely be proven to be a hypocrite.  For today’s prize winner, meet Bob Brown.

Brown has betrayed his stance against preference deals. Photo: Sam Mooy.

Brown likes to pretend that his party, the Greens, represent some form of new politics.  They claim to stand on principle.  In reality, they stand for themselves.  There’s nothing wrong with that, but don’t try to con voters otherwise.

Like the Christian crusader who gets outed visiting brothels, the holier than thou political change agent who strikes the same old political deals deserves our scorn. 

Bob Brown’s preference deal with Labor is particularly worthy of such scorn on two fronts: what he’s been saying and what Labor’s been doing.

For months now Brown has been saying that voters should make up their own minds about preferences.  He has railed against old fashioned preference deals.

“We have a right to vote for who we want in the ballot box in the privacy of the ballot box and direct our preferences where we want,’’ he has said in numerous ways on numerous occasions.  He’s still saying it, even after announcing the deal, stretching credulity by pretending the deal was struck without his imprimatur.

And yes, Brown is right.  It is up to every voter to, ultimately, direct preferences according to their own wishes.  But he and every other political operative know that how-to-vote cards are distributed because a large body of people follow them, largely out of a desire not to get anything wrong with their vote.  The party does, in effect, allocate preferences for these voters.

In his railing against preference deals Brown even went so far as to tell the National Press Club last Wednesday that the Greens were “not a preference machine”.

Yet, within a week of these comments, the Greens non-preference machine has remarkably done the same thing it did at every other recent election: announce a preference deal with Labor. 

This deal even seems to have been struck in record time, well before candidate nominations even close.  Not bad for a non-machine!

There is an alternative way, pioneered by the previous balance of power party, the Democrats.  For the better part of two decades the Democrats successfully got Senate candidates elected around Australia without resorting to such deals.  They presented a split ticket, advising voters how to vote Democrat with options to preference either Labor or Liberal, leaving the choice totally up to the voter.

Bob Brown’s rhetoric made it sound like the Greens were about to have faith in the strength of their own vote and take the principled approach of the Democrats of yesteryear.  Alas, no.  The Greens still want the Labor Party to prop them up and they’re happy to jump into bed with Labor in return.

What makes this deal even worse this time is that the Greens have clearly given no consideration to what Labor has done on environmental issues over the last three years, and certainly no consideration to what they plan to do for the next three.  Brown has even acknowledged the deal was done in a “policy free way”.

But are insulation businesses or home sustainability assessors better equipped to deliver energy efficiency after Labor’s disastrous home insulation and Green Loans programs?  Do solar installers enjoy any business certainty after the three year rollercoaster ride of axed solar programs, changing rules and cost blowouts?

Have community environment groups relished the smaller budgets under Labor’s Caring for our Country program compared to the Natural Heritage Trust of the previous Coalition government?  Have any whales been saved or is the International Whaling Commission more functional after three years of Labor’s overblown rhetoric with no follow through?

Has it helped the Murray Darling that Labor has massively underspent and under-delivered on budgeted water saving infrastructure throughout its term?  And does Labor even have a climate change policy, let alone one to match the Coalition commitment to purchase abatement, regenerate our soils and support a massive expansion of solar and renewables?

The answer to all of these questions is an emphatic no.  But it seems that Labor’s track record on the environment or their failure to have released any policies for the future is no barrier to a Greens preference deal with them.

Not about policy.  Not about principle.  This preference agreement is simply a political deal that betrays both what Bob Brown has said and what he claims to believe in.

Do the Greens represent a new approach to politics?  No way.  But have they struck new heights for hypocrisy?  You bet.

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    • ibast says:

      01:17pm | 20/07/10

      Oh come on.  I’m as critical as anybody about the ability of the Green to hold the balance of power in a responsible manner, but what is the party supposed to do with regards preference?  Ignore the system?  That would be political suicide for the party and Brown has a responsibility there.  Not only that if he makes a deal now, even if there wasn’t promises made, he has the ability to call in favours later.  If he doesn’t then he doesn’t have that up his sleeve next term.  The term reasonable criticism comes to mind.

    • David says:

      02:35pm | 20/07/10

      It is also a legal requirement for the standing parties to turn in these deals to the AEC.

      So they can’t ignore them, but apparently Simon can.

    • SkepDad says:

      03:07pm | 20/07/10

      Mr Birmingham, I’m curious: how exactly was the anti-Green directive from Liberal HQ phrased?  Was it “Discredit the Greens at every opportunity!!!” or maybe “Get out there and use every resource at your disposal to make it a two-party race!!!”? 

      Could you perhaps relay back to HQ that we’d like to see a little bit about what your party is proposing, rather than creating FUD?  It’s getting a bit old.

      Gee, thanks!

    • David Jackmanson says:

      04:07pm | 20/07/10

      David, what do you mean by “standing legal requirement”? There is no legal requirement to make preference deals. The only requirement is IF a party wants a “just vote 1 for us” box on the Senate ballot paper, they need to give the electoral commission a list of preferences.

    • David says:

      05:56pm | 20/07/10

      And you would expect the Greens to pass on a vote 1 box at the top of the senate ballot? You’re kidding yourself if any political party serious about their agenda isn’t going to go for that. What proportion of valid senate voting ballot papers are completed below the line I wonder?

    • Northern Steve says:

      09:28pm | 20/07/10

      The Greens do have the option to split their preferences in the Above the Line senate votes.  They do not have to preference one party or another.  The legislation allows them to ask hat 50% of their votes go to the Liberals and 50% to Labor if they so wish, or any percent they want.  I’m pretty sure this is what the Dems did (after preferencing like minded small parties).

    • David says:

      12:20pm | 21/07/10

      I don’t think so Northern Steve - I think you’re confusing the House of Reps ballot and the senate ballot. The form which the parties submit to the AEC has no room for splitting of preferences, it looks very similar to the senate ballot paper a voter sees with boxes to order numerically. I doubt they would consider a form with to boxes given the same number a formal submission.

    • Mikeymike says:

      01:24pm | 21/07/10

      The legal requirement is IF there is a preference deal in the senate, the parties must submit these preferences to the AEC by the due date.

      What Bob has shown is that the Greens are willing to suspend their principles in order to get elected.

    • Peasant #3167 says:

      04:16pm | 21/07/10

      Yes it is a legal requirement. One that apparently Bob wants abolished and so do I. Maybe if he does get this balance of power then ironically he can change that law that gave him the power. Now if he did that he would get my respect.

    • iansand says:

      01:21pm | 20/07/10

      No doubt a deal with the Liberals would have been highly principled.

      You are a politician.  He is a politician.  Do you seriously believe that anyone with enough neurones to form a synapse takes seriously anything you say about principles?

    • JJ says:

      06:10pm | 21/07/10

      Year 3 was the best 5 years of my life Ian. But even I understand doing a deal with the Greens is bad for the country.

    • BMJ says:

      01:23pm | 20/07/10

      Arn’t all politicians frauds?

    • Daniel says:

      10:16pm | 21/07/10

      They are if they have zero integrity.

    • Joan says:

      01:26pm | 20/07/10

      Bob Brown - power hungry as the rest, it`s his last chance as he is getting long in the tooth the only leader of a party to last so many years .... even Rudd as PM didn’t get respect from Labor and booted straight out to the UN > Bob Brown`s use by date coming up and wants a chance to play it big in future parliament. Let`s face it all policies play the hypocrites game. Some people equal Greens with good and nice….. not me.

    • Sirro says:

      01:30pm | 20/07/10

      There are three or four seats in Metro NSW and Vic where Lib voters should be voting strategically for the Greens. These are seats like Tanners, Pliberseks and Albanese’s where the Lib vote and the Green vote are almost the same but Labor wins every time with 45% of first prefs + Green flow-through prefs.

      Libs, instead of voting for the Lib candidate in the lower house vote Green and then preference the Lib. This way, as preferences are allocated,  if the Green candidate is left one on one with the Labor person they are a fair chance of sneaking accross the line. Certainly in my own seat of Grayndler there are a load of disaffected Labor voters who are going to vote green instead this time. Im no fan of Bob “crazyman” Brown but Id absolutely love to see that waste of space Anthony Albanese get beaten by anyone!

      Add Tanners replacement and Plebersek to the list and there is 3 seats that it would be terrific to see go to anyone but Labor.

      Maybe then next time the ALP would be slightly less prone to doing a deal with a party encroaching on its heartland.

    • Richard says:

      02:05pm | 20/07/10

      Yes this is a very effective strategy to deny the Labor candidate of all those ill-begotten Greens preferences. If you are a Lib voter in a safe Labor seat where the Greens are nevertheless doing very well, then vote 1 Green and preference Labor last, because if the Green candidate gets the 2nd most primary votes, all their Labor preferences become meaningless.

    • Russell says:

      07:31am | 21/07/10

      Was Tanner a “waste of space” too Sirro? Sure you are not a fan of “crazyman”? What about his likely replacement. Lee Rhiannon?

    • Sirro says:

      12:02pm | 21/07/10

      Yes, Tanner is a complete waste of space too, though probably a slightly better orator that Albanese ...yet still a waste of space.

      Brown is definately crazy ...not sure about Lee Rhianon but its highly likely.  I’d still be happier with her or anyone over Ruddies mate Albo.

    • Jimbo says:

      01:42pm | 20/07/10

      So Simon,

      The Greens don’t have a right to try and maximise their own vote? What you neglect to say is that this deal benefits both the ALP and the Greens. That is what politics is a bout maximising your vote so you can implement or at least influence your agenda.
      Maybe when the Liberals have split how to vote tickets you can take the high moral ground until then I am afraid you are the hypocrite.

    • Mikeymike says:

      01:27pm | 21/07/10

      No, the point is that Bob has said time and again that he thinks preference deals are undemocratic.  But by his actions, he is willing to suspend his principles in order to get voted in.

      That is hypocrisy.

    • Karen Kelly says:

      07:14pm | 29/07/10

      What the Greens/Labor preferences deal depicts is that still to this day ‘no-one’ can work with the Liberals! That is the outcome and the point here.

    • DD Ball says:

      01:45pm | 20/07/10

      In choosing the new model of representation in Tasmania, The ALP leader pointed out the election results would be invalid of the minority winners did not get first chance to make government. Come the election, they didn’t, and that was because the Greens got into bed with the ALP. This shows that neither Greens nor ALP feel subject to the constitution and the only way to dislodge an ALP government is to vote for the conservative parties.

    • Ian says:

      02:07pm | 20/07/10

      Get an understanding the electoral laws around the country before bleating such rubbish.  The result in Tasmania is the way it is because the Governor of Tasmania followed the constitution of Tasmania.

    • DD Ball says:

      03:39pm | 20/07/10

      Ian, follow your own advice. The governor wasn’t supposed to do that, and had the governor a track record like the GG, then it might have caused a constitutional crisis. But the ALP guy knew he had done wrong, and the Greens guy had specifically said he wouldn’t do that.

    • Ian says:

      04:22pm | 20/07/10

      Seriously mate have a read of the Tasmanian constitution.  There’s nothing in it that says the ones with the most votes should be the party to first test for the government.

      Get a clue!

    • DD Ball says:

      07:03pm | 20/07/10

      Ian, you are employing one of Schopenhauer’s 38 ways of winning an argument you have lost. What I wrote was true. The ALP and the Green’s had publicly canvassed what might happen and promised they would not do that. So assurances given to the public were ignored by the politicians in face of the fact. When the legislators lie to the public about what they do, it diminishes the respect the public needs to maintain confidence in effective governance. But you know that.

    • Des says:

      01:47pm | 20/07/10

      Gee Simon Birmingham, mate you sound like a sore loser before the count is in. If the Libs didnt believe climate change is crap, who knows, the greens might have looked at the coalition more seriously. Chin up little tiger!

    • Karen Kelly says:

      07:29pm | 29/07/10

      Exactly! The fact of the entire matter is that the preference deals demonstrates, yet again, that to this very day in modern politics, nobody can work with the Libs. Some of the ‘prideless tripe’ they threw up in the senate debating climate change was just unbelievable. One Lib Senator suggested doing away with the ETS, in favour of throwing a giant shadecloth into orbit! No crap, Senator Wong and the Greens had a raucous old laugh at that one!

    • P says:

      01:54pm | 20/07/10

      If our “democracy” wasn’t a “two party preferred” rort then this wouldn’t be an issue anyway.  So are you as incensed about how votes for anyone but the duopoly get converted back into votes for the duopoly?  Probably not, as a writer for the Liberal half of the duopoly, hey?  Anyway, its no suprise at all that The Greens would not want their primary vote going towards the Liberal mining muppets.

    • D says:

      02:36pm | 21/07/10

      This is exactly right - in a system where two parties are ensconced behind a wall of financial, legal and media support, it is not surprising that The Greens would direct their preferences toward the least evil, least unimaginative party.

    • Super D says:

      01:55pm | 20/07/10

      It is interesting that the Greens announced a preference deal with Labor before the release of the ALP’s climate policy.  Now that they have the green preferences I guess they don’t even need to release one.

      I think that this reflects that now that environmental concern has gone mainstream the Greens have morphed into the far left faction of the Labor Party.  This enables the ALP to target the middle ground while ignoring the radical left, safe in the knowledge that they will end up with the votes anyway.  From this perspective the survival of One Nation may have benefitted the Liberal party or at least balanced out the Greens.  It might be handy to have the odd crackpot senator operating under an alternate political brand.

    • iansand says:

      03:04pm | 20/07/10

      Or part of the deal was influencing the ALP climate policy.  Dunno.  Just a thought.

    • Seano says:

      01:56pm | 20/07/10

      Whinging about a preference deal in a preferential system that’s funny. Whinging about the Greens doing a preference deal with someone else when you have a climate change sceptic as leader that’s priceless.

    • Fred says:

      02:04pm | 20/07/10

      Come on now what do you expect from the Greens they are the left wing arm of the ALP and support them the whole way. And who can blame them it not like the Libs or the Nationals are ever going to get a vote from them. The Greens can get enough votes they may even hold the balance of power. I cant understand why the coalition come out and cries foul every time the Greens giver thier preference to the ALP they are the ALP missus the unions and they wear green, hug tree and have bizarre ideas.

    • Betelnut says:

      02:12pm | 20/07/10

      So Bob Brown has moved to ammend the Electoral and Referendum Amendment (How-to-Vote Cards and Other Measures) Bill 2010 to ban the distrbution of How-to Vote cards at polling booths.  Presumably, Simon, you are giving a commitment from the coalition parties to back these amendments??

    • mid says:

      02:13pm | 20/07/10

      Wow Simon, scared much?

      Wouldn’t they be giving up on the opportunity to be listed “above the line” if they didn’t have a preference deal registered with the AEC?

    • Chris says:

      02:17pm | 20/07/10

      There is a serious problem with compulsory preferential voting and it needs to be recognised. It is unlikely to be recognised because deals such as the Labor-Green deal allow a party with less votes to take control and minor parties to wield ridiculous amounts of power in the process.
      That said a vote for the Greens has always effectively been a vote for Labor. Many Greens voters are, unfortunately, unaware of this. Now that the report on the Murray-Darling basin is on hold there is almost no environmental information available. The Greens think they can change that after the election. I doubt it. If they really stand for what they believe in they will not be voting with Labor, for Labor or giving Labor preferences.

    • Ginger says:

      02:20pm | 20/07/10

      I wonder if the author would be making the same comments had the Greens directed preferences to the Libs? Hmmmmm.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      02:32pm | 20/07/10

      Why would they do that?  A vote for the Greens in the lower house has always been a vote for Labor.  In both the ACT and Tasmanian elections where the greens hold the balance of power they forced us to endure the spectacle of them negotioting with both sides of the house but it was always, always apparent that they would side with Labor.

      But you’re right, the author would probably not be saying the same thing if they had done a deal with the Libs, he, and me, and so many others of us would be mute with disbelief.

    • Sue says:

      02:46pm | 20/07/10

      It’s about exposing what a hypocrite Brown is. Says one thing and does another.

    • Daniel says:

      10:22pm | 21/07/10

      Sue, You dont understand how the Greens work. Its not like other parties. The power in the Greens is state based and does not lie with the Leader. Get with the program.

    • AFR says:

      02:31pm | 20/07/10

      So, will the Libs now cut ties with the Nationals and stand on their own feet? No, thought not.
      In any case, it is up to the individual voter on how to “direct their preferences”. I don’t know anyone who actually uses the how to vote cards.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      03:26pm | 20/07/10

      Well if you had scrutineered at every federal election since 1987 you would probably provide the voice of experience, but clearly you haven’t. I doubt that you have any idea about the flow of prefences and the overwhelming reliance made by voters on how to vote cards.  Just put aside your disbelief for a moment and ask yourself this simple question:  If how-to-vote cards were of no value, why would political parties spend so much on them?

    • AFR says:

      04:37pm | 20/07/10

      Nigel, I often ask that question myself. I never claimed that nobody used them, only that nobody I know does - my friends tend to think for themselves.

    • David says:

      02:32pm | 20/07/10

      Simon has not so subtlely ignored the requirement of each standing party to arrange preference deals and has only told half the story with ‘How To Vote’ slips.

      The slips are only a recommendation but the true oomph to the preference system comes for the senate where a voter can select their preferred party above the line or choose to fill in a large number of boxes in numerical order of preference (something most politically apathetic Aussies are not inclined to do). This is where the deal feels it’s force, and why the Greens will get plenty out of this deal.

      Yes, the Greens are a political party and as such should be treated like any other but Brown is still publicly advising voters to vote however they want. Don’t forget Brown’s attempts to have the requirement for a preferences deal removed in some reforms to our voting system but neither major party was interested (gee I wonder why?).

      The Greens have their eye on a prize: the balance of power in the Senate. This deal goes a long way to achieving this and as such their short-term political goals such as forcing Labor (the probable victors of this election) to enact stronger climate change policy.

      I think the real issue is how poorly Australians understand their own electoral system, evidenced by all the people upset about Gillard’s appointment as PM because ‘they voted for Rudd’ while not being registered voters of Rudd’s electorate.

    • iansand says:

      03:07pm | 20/07/10

      We should be able to allocate our Senate preferences by numbering all boxes above the line.  As this does not suit the parties, no matter how democratic it may seem, it will never happen.

    • Dilk says:

      03:54pm | 21/07/10

      This is all very true. Having more Greens in the parliament can only be a good thing in my opinion. If you would like to see the political agenda move even slightly toward the left, then the Greens are the only choice.

      If you would like to see the opposite however, then kill yourself.

    • Jason says:

      02:34pm | 20/07/10

      The author is biased.  Bob was trying to encourage people to vote in the way that they (the individual) would like to. 

      Bob Brown is one of the few decent human being in politics…. then at the other end of the spectrum we have Abbott.

      When will the contributors to the punch realise that we check out their affiliations/credentials BEFORE reading the article?

    • D.Nicholson says:

      04:12pm | 20/07/10

      Decent?  Ha, good one.  He’s a dangerous man with dangerous ideologies.  Free drugs, injecting rooms, no coal fired power stations, no dams - he will ruin the country.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:37pm | 20/07/10

      Complaining that another politician rolls around in the same muck as Labor and Liberal politicians do is hardly a noble view of politics…..

    • John A Neve says:

      02:53pm | 20/07/10

      How can any one take Simon seriously?
      A politician opposed to preferences!! His option is obvious, he can move in the parliament thet how to vote cards be banned. I’d support that, but all the time they are legal, the voter can give their preferences to who ever they like and I hope they do.

    • Johnny says:

      02:53pm | 20/07/10

      Sour grapes, nothing more.

    • Jackie says:

      03:26pm | 20/07/10

      no doubt a little of that but Simon is pointing out the Greens hypocrasy. I was ready to give them my lower house vote but now I may as well just be voting for my ridiculous local Labor member…dont want to do that, cant stomach voting for Tony Abbot…

    • Steve says:

      03:12pm | 21/07/10

      Jackie,
      As many posters have pointed out already, the voting system forces parties draw up ‘how to vote’ cards. Yes, the Greens could split their preferences as a show of protest, but that would hardly accomplish anything so it’s unsurprising that the Greens allocate preferences to the major party closest to their position.

      Bob Brown has tried to move bills in the senate to allow voters to preference above the line on the senate ballot paper, rather than go below the line and number every single box (when most people probably haven’t heard of most of the candidates and couldn’t make a really informed decision).

      Also the author of this piece’s party obviously benefits from preferences already being as they are in a coalition and has no desire to dramatically change the voting system. Probably because, for example, if we had a proportional representation system in the lower house the Libs would fare much more poorly than they currently are

    • Lyle Marshall says:

      02:59pm | 20/07/10

      when are we going to have any worthwhile journalist or radio commentator question the Labor lies about Abbott bringing back Work Choices?  I have listened to the radio watched the TV news and read the mainstream papers and not one of the Labor people or PM has been questioned as to how a Coalition Govt will get a new Work choices through the Senate. There is no hope in hell for it to ever come back as the last time it was introduced The Coalition Govt had control of the Senate which was the first time any Party has had the control of the Senate since before the Democrats and Greens came into the Political scene. The Coalition would not have control this time as has been confirmed the Greens are stitching a deal to make sure they get another Senate seat in exchange for giving Labor lower house seats. Paul Howes the Union leader who bragged he had endorsed Gillard as the PM said in the Daily Telegraph on Sunday that the Greens are green on the inside and Red on the inside. A vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor.

    • iansand says:

      03:27pm | 20/07/10

      As best I can work out they have been trying to find out what Mr Abbott thinks the Coalition policy is first.  So far with variable success.

    • David says:

      03:39pm | 20/07/10

      What you’re upset about is the result of Abbott’s own lack of political finesse. He has chosen the give his, and the Liberal Party’s, position on Work Choice (and other related issues) in cagey and disclaimeristic language.

      He starts well, says it is dead buried cremated whatever but then adds more about working with Fair Work Australia to make changes within the legislation. Your point about whether the Coalition Govt is moot because of Abbott’s own lack of political foresight and clarity (not to mention his own Deputy’s on Q&A last night). Instead of saying even if they win he probably will not be able to make changes and so will not plan any he says he will do what he can to make changes without the modification or introduction of new legislation.

      This is a ticket to the media who want to screw any political leader, especially during an election campaign this sort of window is blood in the water. And as a result the Labor sharks will soon hone in with scary prospects of what the Liberals could change without parliamentary controls (which would of course be highlighting issues and loopholes in their legislation but that won’t stop them). Although I’m not sure why you expect the media to ask Labor politicians about the practical elements of the Liberals introducing any of their policies, such a question is ripe and juicy bone to a rottweiller.

      You seem to be of a similar disposition in lacking political accumen as Abbott. Also, perhaps read some other comments above, such as Sirro’s to see why a vote for the Greens does not necessarily equate to a vote for Labor, the only thing which encourages such an outcome is political apathy in the voters.

    • Razor says:

      03:28pm | 20/07/10

      Simon - while i would like a conservative victory it is unlikely.  Therefore we ned to consider what is the best outcome of a loss.  I think that the Greens having the balance of power with an ALP Senate would be a good thing in the long run.  They would force the ALP to move it’s policies to the left.  The majority of voters who are detached from the political process would learn that the Greens are actually watermelons and hopefully be badly burnt enough to keep the ALP and Greens out of power subsequentloy for a long time.

      An analogy would be the old practice when you caught your kid smoking - make them smoke the rest of the packet until they threw up.

    • Press says:

      03:42pm | 20/07/10

      Senator Birmingham

      You know - or you should do - that the preferential voting system is part of our election process, as is some form of preference agreement.

      Your Party’s best interest at this point is not to slag off the minor Senate Party that may take the balance of power.

      Your task right now, Senator, is to make your best attempt to explain your own Party’s policies such as they are, and to try and explain your own Party’s appalling recent record in the current Senate.

      Leave you with it.

    • Keith C. says:

      03:52pm | 20/07/10

      I encourage everyone to vote for the greens and waste there vote ! They can wait another four years and i bet they never vote for the greens again. I know, i did it myself. They are a party with no policies or direction. Everything they stand for will increase our weekly and monthly bills. No way in the world would i ever vote for the pauline hanson lookalike and sound alike Julia gillard. She will be remembered as the first no elected female prime minister and thats it. She is a disgrace to australia and i want a future for my children. She has no policy and when people ask her about policy , all she does is attack Tony Abbott. I have supported labour all my life. But the liberal party of today , is the labour party of yesterday. Tony Abbott needs to start talking about helping the people on a pension !

    • The Badger says:

      04:02pm | 20/07/10

      Thanks Keith C. I will indeed be voting green at this election.

      I will be voting green, because they represent what is in the best interests of my family and my planet.

      And if those preferences go to the Labor, I will be happy.

      I would not under any circumstances vote or direct a preference to the conservative party, as they have neither my family nor my planets interests at heart.

      The conservatives exist only for business and themselves.

    • D.Nicholson says:

      04:18pm | 20/07/10

      To: The Badger.

      You are a fool.  Looks at Spain - they went down the Bob Brown path and what benefits have we seen from that countries efforts to cut emissions?  Zero.  And now they are running at 20% unemployment and are almost broke.

      If you want your kids to have a job and have affordable electricity, water and food, then I’m afraid you are wasting your time voting Greens.

    • The Badger says:

      09:19pm | 20/07/10

      to: D.Nicholson:
      I know you are but what am I

    • Heather says:

      08:02am | 26/07/10

      Badger: Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the “intelligent Greens voter.”

      /sigh

    • Bob says:

      03:55pm | 20/07/10

      Bob Brown is trying to have 2 bob each way. Great summary by the way. The big danger for us is that if the greens hold the balance of power in the senate, then we will get much higher mining taxes that will kill our competitiveness, we will get higher taxes for business including a new rspt for all business as suggested by Ken Henry himself, we’ll get drugs legalized and criminals rights along with salaries for inmates in jails which all green policies. Watch out for this crazy mob.

    • freddy says:

      03:53pm | 21/07/10

      should call him ‘2 bob”

    • Tony M. says:

      04:01pm | 20/07/10

      Rather than being hypocritical, Bob Brown is just being true to himself and his nature - Brown by name, and Brown-noser by nature. Yet another political sham, tarnished by the same Labor brush, who will do anything, say anything, agree to anything - as long as it keeps him or her in a position of power, and front row at the trough.

      By the way,let’s try to answer the crucial question: Who is Julia Gillard??

    • Roja says:

      04:04pm | 20/07/10

      In SA the family first party get one person elected to the legislative council every 4 years thanks to preferences from One Nation, The Shooters Party, Fishing & Recreation Party, Nationals, Liberals and recently the Save the RAH party.

      Personally I thought good family values and guns didn’t really go together, but preference voting is more tactical than a political commitment - taking their votes does not mean you owe them anything. 

      In 2004 labor preferenced Family First instead of the greens and thanks to that we all had to suffer six years of Fielding - I am very glad they have decided to deal with the greens again.

    • Press says:

      04:28pm | 20/07/10

      Aye. The only fly in the ointment being the arcane world of Senate seat terms. 

      State senators are normally elected for fixed terms of six years, commencing on 1 July following the election, and ceasing on 30 June six years later.

      So Fielding, though elected in 2004, first sat 1 July 2005 and his term only expires on 30 Jun 2011.

    • Roja says:

      09:38pm | 20/07/10

      All I can say is… Bugger. 

      I’m sure when Fielding loses on Aug 21 he will still claim he has a ‘mandate’ until he leaves…

    • Dash says:

      04:15pm | 20/07/10

      So it’s an ALP/Green coalition. No one is surprised by that. It’s clear that if you don’t want Labor, don’t follow the green’s “how to vote” card.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      05:14pm | 20/07/10

      No problem there Dash.  I won’t nor ever will vote Greens, nor independents for that matter.  With independents it tends to be single issues and with the Greens, well, its just a plain bad idea as they will not govern for the whole of Australia - just for their own green beliefs.

    • D.Nicholson says:

      04:21pm | 20/07/10

      Have any of you Green voters even read their policies?  Scary stuff.  And you want to give this bloke the balance of power? No wonder this country is stuffed….

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      05:55pm | 20/07/10

      @D.Nicholson:  I saw on Yahoo7! that they have on their special Election section a linked list of our political parties and their ideologies and policies.  Worth a read for those not fully informed.
      http://au.news.yahoo.com/election

    • Dave says:

      06:28pm | 20/07/10

      Exactly which policy is it that frightens you so? I’ve read the policy information on their site (as I have with Labor and Liberal websites) and while I don’t agree with everything they propose I’d have to say I agree with them more than the other main parties.

      I’m unsatisfied with the environmental policies of Labor and Liberals and I find the Greens proposal more likely to achieve the desired outcomes (with some tempering). I find the socially retrograde positions of Labor and Liberals on same-sex marriage unsatisfying, ditto for the Human Rights Act which Labor quietly stepped aside from.

      I oppose the internet filter because it would be unworkable, ineffective, a mandate for government responsibility instead of individual responsibility and it would draw an immense amount of funds away from more effective police activities and education campaigns about the dangers of the internet.

      I also think the Labor and Liberal parties have continued to drag the assylum seeker issue out in to unproductive territory. Labor capitulated on the mining tax and allowed corporate interests to bully them into surrender and the Liberals are no better given the negotiations made over the CPRS.

      So why the hell should I vote for anyone other than the Greens? There is no other party at a level with any political influence (as limited as the Greens are and will be) who have a a general distribution of policies I find minor fault with. I don’t agree with the greens on GMOs and nuclear power plants for example. However I suspect the only way I’d find a political party which is in complete agreement with myself would be to establish my own.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      08:12pm | 20/07/10

      @Dave:  Why don’t you start a Lib/Dems party?  Just a suggestion. (smile).  Perhaps based on the English model, again, just a suggestion.

    • D.Nicholson says:

      09:49am | 21/07/10

      @ Dave : Free drugs, free education for life, reduction of coal exports and mining, releasing of illegal immigrants within days and providing them with free medical and other benefits, reduction of coal power stations and an increase in ‘renewable’ energy, increased holidays and Union rights, the list goes on and on.

      1.  Who is going to PAY for all this?
      2. How are you going to generate electricity without coal or nuclear power?
      3. How much will basic services cost (water, gas, electricity) if there is no water (no dams), no mining and no coal?  Prices will have to rise to cover the costs of going ‘green’
      4. What difference will these actions make to the planet?  Stuff all and they will bugger our economy.

      I’m all for a 3rd alternative but I’m afraid the majority of ‘Green Voters’ have no real idea what these people stand for.  I want a healthy planet but unless there is a global agreement, what we do here is going to make ZERO difference.

      Are you people really prepared to risk our economy, our employment, our business (big and small) on the ideologies of a party that are as red as they are green?

      Good luck with that.

    • David says:

      01:52pm | 21/07/10

      Err ok D. Nicholson, you have confirmed for me that you haven’t actually engaged in what the Green’s policy positions are but instead have constructed your own out of possibly some stereotypical view of a bong smoking hippy.

      Free drugs - the Green have a policy of harm minimisation which could involve decriminalisation and legalisation of currently illegal drugs but this isn’t free. Do you get alcohol and tobacco for free? You need to understand the difference.

      Free education for life - I’m assuming you mean education completely subsidised by taxation? Well, so what? It could be a good approach, certainly used to be the case at various times. The Australian State and Federal governments subsidise immense amounts of education in this country and frankly I think they do so disproportionately for the wealthy side of the nation. Also, many heroes of the Liberal party didn’t pay a cent for their degrees.

      Reduction of coal exports and mining - well a reduction could be a good thing if carefully moderated. Note a reduction isn’t cessation it is simply a reduction. Australia has several portions of it’s economy entirely too reliant on foreign resource trade and risks over heating should China continue to boom or collapsing should China do the same. A strong economy is a diverse economy (google ‘dutch disease’ and see if any of it rings true to Australia’s current situation).

      Releasing of illegal immigrants within days and providing them with free medical and other benefits - you mean to say the Greens don’t want to monitor who comes and goes from Australia, just open the doors and hand out vouchers on landing? Illegal immigrants is also a misnomer since I’m fairly certain you’re referring to assylum seekers. This is absurd and patently false, the greens support humane treatment of assylum seekers under UN commitments.

      Reduction of coal power stations and an increase in ‘renewable’ energy - so? There are other ways to generate electricity. I’m not suggesting we can power Australia with solar and wind power but a reduction in coal power would be a good thing for the environment (even if you don’t accept climate change science). And if you remember I disagreed with the Greens on nuclear energy.

      Increased holidays and Union rights - which holidays? I’ve never heard or read the Green’s proposal for additional holidays and Labor are also pro-union if you haven’t noticed. Furthermore, the Greens and unions have clashed over a variety of environmental issues so I’m not sure how pro-union they really are.

    • Daniel says:

      10:26pm | 21/07/10

      D.Nicholson, The country is so stuffed because of John Howard and his lies, spin and his savage cuts to every sector of government funding.

    • LC says:

      04:22pm | 20/07/10

      If you don’t want to vote labor, vote liberal. If you don’t want to vote liberal vote labor. If you don’t want to vote for either party then you vote greens, preference independents and put labor LAST. Simple. You don’t have to follow the “how to vote” cards.

    • neville says:

      04:23pm | 20/07/10

      What a shame everyone just cant accept that climate change is run by Snow White, and Father Christmas, we would save thousands of bureaucrats so much time understanding this myth and ourselves millions of dollars, oh well back to the Phantom comic book.

    • The Badger says:

      04:52pm | 20/07/10

      Yes neville, what a shame.

      Your argument for climate change is compelling and all those facts and figures that back you up must be right.

      Asking people to accept climate change as a fairytale is right up there with asking the uninitiated to believe in that magical imaginary being in the sky who created all of this just for you. And who looks after you and wouldn’t let anything bad happen to you.
      bad things only happens to Asylum seekers, Aboriginals and the poor.

    • Soames says:

      05:07pm | 20/07/10

      Keith C,

      Mon ami, there’s a bronze plaque mounted inside the Statue of Liberty which reads, “give me your tired, your hungry, your poor”. What a pity we have no such sentiment within Australian political leaders, only a strange shell like piece of architecture on Sydney harbour, of limited value to most Australians. What we’ve got currently is a PM with huge exposure, and limited leadership experience. If one believes in the Australian vernacular of the ‘fair go’ principle, one ought to do just that. One ought not discard one’s history of voting, after all, it represents ones integrity, and one ought not despair and reject one’s judjement over a period, to satisfy others opinions, if that is the case. Looking forward to your further contributions.

    • Chris says:

      09:33pm | 20/07/10

      Soames,

      I do not seek to burst your bubble, whilst Lady Liberty has this fine inscription placed on it, the Americans stopped receiving large numbers of immigrants (particularly unskilled) in the 1920’s. Now it is as hard to enter the USA as it is to crack the logic you have applied to your comment.

    • Krista says:

      05:11pm | 20/07/10

      I am voting Greens with no preferences, Tony Abbott is a liar and I am not happy about Kevin Rudd. You must be a Liberal..spite is a bitch, try to correct that.

    • Nicole says:

      05:49pm | 20/07/10

      You must be a lefty. Your head seems to be stuck in the sand. Abbott admitted he tells porkies. Ms Gillard looks people in the eye and lies straight to their face. And when they turn around…................

    • LC says:

      06:30pm | 20/07/10

      Your vote won’t count unless you number all the boxes…

    • Louisa says:

      06:35pm | 20/07/10

      Krista, I gather you have actually read the Greens policies and understand them?

    • iansand says:

      06:57pm | 20/07/10

      Informal in Federal elections, I think.

    • dead to me says:

      05:54pm | 20/07/10

      Bob Brown like Peter Garrett try to come arcoss as people with principles who want to make society better, but in reality they are slimy politicians who try to hide their true intentions. Wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing trying to sell us mutton policies dressed as lamb policies.

    • Ed says:

      06:19pm | 20/07/10

      The Greens and their leader Bob Brown have held Tasmania back for decades.  True it is, that they stopped clean hydro-electric energy development, and true it is that Tasmania now has dirty coal produced power.  Shameful.

      The Greens will never remind anyone of this bit of background history.

      Australians would be doing a disservice by giving Green balance of Senate power.  They are Labor stooges, their policies would see all of us living in freezing cold homes, riding bikes uphill no matter what age we are and buckling under to some of their weirdest loony left policies.  And now Bob Brown, leader of a minority group, thinks he should be included in a public debate with the two major party leaders. Brown also wants the public to foot the bill for some ridiculous inquiry into rules on “election debates”.  For God’s sake, what on earth next nonsense will he dream up.

      The Green/Labor set-up in Tasmania is a laughing stock.  You should just see those two Greens pompously sitting in the Tasmanian parliament.  Before they “negotiated” Cabinet positions in the conveniently arranged new State government, they criticised most Labor government proposals.  The recent change in their attitude is astounding. 

      Tasmanians are still in shock as to how Labor at first promised “no deal” with the Greens, but soon went back on that when they wanted to hold power at any cost, no matter the public backlash.

    • Daniel says:

      10:42pm | 21/07/10

      I think if you actually look at the facts you will find that the Greens acord in Tasmania actually turned the dire situation there around. Before shooting off the mouth actually look at the facts.

    • Pete says:

      07:08pm | 20/07/10

      Memo to Mr. Birmingham, Brown’s been a hypocrite for years - not just today.

    • John of Surry Hills says:

      07:15pm | 20/07/10

      Let’s not forget that Greens woman NSW MLC with the flexible policy regarding use of electoral allowances. Even Bob Brown couldn’t stomach it. Put to the test the Greens are sanctimonious double standard pollies

    • John says:

      07:59pm | 20/07/10

      So the true Green colours are finally revealed.  The Greens are like watermelons, Green on the outside, and Red on the inside.  For 30 years I voted labour, my vote goes to the libs this year.  Greens only care about there ideology, and not the people or environment.  They are coal huggers, promoting one of the most polluting transportation available in Australia, coal powered public transport system, and using the car as an escape goat.  How is the aging population and those who rely on the car to get around, as they cannot use public transport or the bicycle (Ongoing conversion of roads to bicycle lanes, creating congestion by design).  Discrimination, what a disgrace! They also push to build up and not out, thousands of homes have been demolished to make way, demolishing there lovely front and back gardens, full of trees and grass, great carbon sinks, and what do the Greens give us in return?  Urban Heat Island, and blame Climate Change in its place.  What up people!  If the seat of Melbourne is won by the Greens, watch Melbourne slowly plunge back into the dark ages, with increase crime within the vast concrete jungle, with no escape, as all roads will be gone.  What a future to look forward to ..... NOT!

    • Press says:

      09:23pm | 20/07/10

      Haw haw haw!  Pretty average old try there, son.

      John, suggest you check earlier posts *before* you obey your emailed instructions for the day.

      You’ll find “Keith C.” @ 03:52pm | 20/07/10 pipped you to the post with the fake “life long”  “labour” supporter claim already.  Dear oh dear.

      You fellows. Honestly!

    • Press says:

      11:17am | 21/07/10

      Humm. Bit tired last night - should’ve read more carefully.

      “Keith C” is a one time poster.

      This “John” just happens to share with him the *exact* same pattern of mis-spellings.

      Not just faked “labour” support. 

      Just plain old, same old….
      sock-puppet.

      Poor attempt by a rank phoney.

    • John says:

      05:26pm | 21/07/10

      Press: I don’t obey, nor am I a phony.  The truth is revealed, and you left wing Green hypocrite puppets, just can’t take it.  Typical Bed Wetters.

    • Press says:

      05:50pm | 21/07/10

      Nice little tanty to end the day, then, eh? Dear oh dear.

      Whichever “John” you are,  after your “30 years” somehow you still can’t quite get the name of your supposed party right.  Oh dear.

      And neither can the other “john”.  Fancy!

      Which one is the bigger phony? Meh.

      Get your hand off it, “John”.

    • Tamara says:

      08:03pm | 20/07/10

      The Greens are nothing like the Democrats. The Democrats were a centre party, in the middle of Labor & Liberals. The Greens are left of Labor and Labor left of Liberals, so there’s no way someone who votes Green will ever prefer a Liberal over a Labor person. Read the Greens ideology, the ALPs ideology, the Liberals ideology. Then tell me how any sane person can recommend a Greens voter preference the Liberals.

    • thatmosis says:

      09:16pm | 20/07/10

      Ive always maintained that a vote for the Raving Looney Party, oops sorry The greens was a vote for Labor anyway and this proves it. The Greens are just another arm of the Labor Party and will get into bed with them just to winkle out another seat or two. The Greens have lost all credibility, if they had any in the first place and hopefully will go the way of the democrats before to long and take their flaky policies with them.

    • Bob says:

      12:00am | 21/07/10

      The greens make the communist party look right wing. If Bob Brown would have his way, everyone earning $50K or more would pay 90% tax, any business making more than 6% net profit will pay a 40% super profits tax, anyone driving a car will pay 100% car tax and double for petrol, anyone wanting a better education for their children in any private school will pay double or triple as he would take away all subsidies. Then we have elicit drug legalisation and rights for criminals. Honestly most of the ekectorate don’.t know about this.

    • Boob says:

      02:17pm | 21/07/10

      Please provide some evidence for this garbagebag of claims

    • With eyes wide open... says:

      05:48am | 21/07/10

      A vote for a Green is a wasted vote…...imagine a world governed by their policies…...it would just stop.

    • John Jones says:

      07:08am | 21/07/10

      Perhaps “The Punch” could publish extracts, on a daily basis, of the “” The Greens”” Manifesto so that the people can judge them for what they are.

    • Damocles says:

      07:57am | 21/07/10

      The Greenies have just announced they want to introduce a levy on junkfood, so watch out all you junkfood junkies when Labor get in (which will happen now, thanks to Bobby Baby) you will be getting hit with a new tax. Way to go!

    • Jason CR says:

      08:25am | 21/07/10

      Damocles,

      New taxes introduced by Labor on alcopops was for our health and wellbeing.  Didn’t you know that??  Same with Labor raising the cigarette tax….
      Now that their de-facto (Bob Brown) wants a junk food tax, it’s the trifecta.
      I thought Labor voters would be up in arms.  It’s the staple diet of most Labor voters I know.
      1. Winfield Blue rollies
      2. can of Woodstock
      3. Ronny Mac’s burger

    • Amber says:

      08:31am | 21/07/10

      Just further poof that only the wealthy can afford to be Green..

    • Daniel says:

      10:46pm | 21/07/10

      That is totally not true. Just look at Clive Palmer that huge mining fat cat. He is at the opposite end of the spectrum. Amber stop talking rubbish…

    • Slow Food Fan says:

      08:46am | 21/07/10

      A levy on all junk food should be on all Political Party’s agendas.  What’s wrong with a war on obesity?

    • Christian White says:

      09:22am | 21/07/10

      Honestly, haven’t you all thought that the Greens Party was always a waste of Taxpayers money.. They are a pathetic waste of oxygen.  Inefectual!!

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      09:24am | 21/07/10

      A pox on them all.

    • Christian White says:

      09:43am | 21/07/10

      Yeah! Waz, I’m starting to think the same thing. I think I will watch Masterchef too on the night.  And I don’t even like it!!

    • Daniel says:

      10:19am | 21/07/10

      The Liberals and their Senators are just upset that they didn’t get Greens preferences. Well Brown has come out and said the how to vote cards are a guide only. This is true. People should have the brains to preference who they want. They shouldn’t need to be spoon fed. Like I have said for many years. Greens look at the 2 parties side by side and in most cases the Labor Party is the lesser of the 2 evils. If the Liberals are upset by that fact it’s up to them to turn that situation around.

    • stephen says:

      11:01am | 21/07/10

      But that’s what the Greens are good for : influencing the mainstreams.
      No-one in their right mind could suppose they might come up with a sophisticated and right economic policy, or have even a reasonable understanding on Foreign Policy. So let them side with a Party. It will give them credibility for when they dissapear, then those amateur historians can write them up as ‘indespensible’.

    • Amber says:

      12:15pm | 21/07/10

      Daniel - if people had brains, the Green party would have never got up.
      There seems to be more evidence in this election run-up that there is a bigger than ever, serious lack of brain matter out there.
      Preferential voting cards play on this unfortunately.

    • Beagle says:

      01:39pm | 21/07/10

      The greens can have a positive impact on policy and can make a difference regarding environmental issues.
      From you comment, I take it you think that these are issues that do not require brains and are of no consequence. I can only assume you are part of the me generation that can’t think past your next self gratifying moment.
      Well Amber when environmentally motivated people become the majority, I guess you will be the one who will lack the brain matter Amber

    • Daniel says:

      10:14pm | 21/07/10

      Amber, The way to turn this around is to educate our young kids in schools of how our electoral system works. Both major parties dont seem to be too worried about this so nothing will change. People need to start thinking of who they vote for if they are so worried. People in other countries are literally getting killed in trying to cast votes etc. Australians needs to have some respect for our voting regulations.

    • francesca says:

      01:52pm | 21/07/10

      Preference deals are well and good but nobody has to follow the how to vote if they don’t want to. Individual Greens will do what they want to do. Having said that it would be very odd for a Green to preference the Libs. Heaven forfend.

    • Peter says:

      02:16pm | 21/07/10

      Anyone should be able to run for any party they like (without preselection), just like in America… Then we might see some real democracy here..

    • john says:

      02:31pm | 21/07/10

      I watched Bob Brown try to explain the greens preferences, obviously according to hm he had nothing to do with it, yeah right.
      I can’t stand people like him who take the high moral ground to almost religious levels then go against what they stand for in public for a grubby little deal. What makes it worse is that he has done it as he says ” in a policy free way”, am I missing something?
      Rhiannon is no better with 2 breaches recently that are swept under the carpet. She would be going off if it was someone else.
      They will never be a ligitimate 3rd party as long as they hop into bed with just one party ( doesn’t matter who).
      All they have done is demostrated to all what a lot of people are saying and that is that a vote for the greens is a vote for labour.
      The reason they did it, they know most people vote above the line and follow the how to vote pamphlets, and Brown wants to have the balance of power.

    • Press says:

      03:37pm | 21/07/10

      Riiiiiiight. So little J “john” also has a problem with The Greens. Plus he doesn’t “get” preferences.

      Voters can *choose* to vote Green. No problem there in a democracy. Many Green voters also *choose* to follow their Party’s How to Vote card. No problem with that in a democracy either.  They *choose* to. They don’t *have* to. They can vote any way they like.

      Same applies (shock, horror) to all other parties. Its your choice - if *you* want to, follow your Party’s How To Vote card.

      Looks like little J “john” has it in for the Greens.  Meh.

      Trouble is, he sounds far too much like Big J John, in minute detail.

      Another dopey sock-puppet. That’s three socks now, on just one hand. Same bulldust, of which just one (small) helping would’ve done.

      Clean up your act pal, or give it away. You’re busted.

    • john says:

      04:20pm | 21/07/10

      Press…you need to wake up. Most voters, ie the general public are dopey. While everyone can “choose” to vote how they like, we all know most people vote above the line.
      Typical of green lovers to attack the author not keep the discussion at a political level.
      Maybe I should have called you “small pee”

    • john says:

      04:23pm | 21/07/10

      plus..don’t confuse me with someone else pee, in case you didnt know there is more than one person out there with the same name.

    • Press says:

      04:33pm | 21/07/10

      Attacked your argument, head on, ta all the same.

      Its a *choice*. What part of *choice* do you not get?

      You don’t like voters choosing, do you!

      Dear oh dear.

    • Press says:

      05:34pm | 21/07/10

      Funny how three of you have the same habits in lame spelling, but let it pass.

      Preferential voting - voters right, voters choice.

      Press out.

    • john says:

      06:57pm | 21/07/10

      Press, I think you need to read what I said, not what you think I said. I addressed the issue of choice ( what part of it didn’t you get), we all know there is a choice ( its like a broken record isnt it) but most people don’t exercise it otherwise why would the greens ( and labour) bother

    • Press says:

      08:47am | 22/07/10

      Yep, read carefully from the start. Seems “john” doesn’t get the end result of his argument.

      His position is
      1. Most voters are dopey
      2. Most voters follow How to Vote cards
      3. By some magic, that’s not making a choice.

      There are only three problems here.

      “Most voters are dopey”. Quite a sweeping swipe - but meaningless. Implies that *every* Gov’t is voted in by dopes. Bewdy.

      Dopes + Follow How to vote cards:  means those following the Liberal cards are dopes too…Bewdy.

      Using the card *is* fundamentally a free choice. The simplest one.  Like it, lump it, you can’t make it go away. Its still a *choice* ferchrissakes. Not one that suits you? Tough!

      You simply can’t assume its a dopey act. Many a Liberal - or Labor - or Green -  voter would see it as the simplest and best way to support their Party, the way their Party suggests. They’ve every right to do that. I don’t agree, but that’s me. “john” doesn’t agree, but his argument is offensive and it doesn’t stand up, either.

      At the end of the day, “john” wants you to believe its dopey and not a choice. Well, he’s wrong. His argument implies its only dopey when the voter isn’t Liberal and not following Lib preferences.

      He’s simply wrong. He’s either having a lend, or he’s not thinking what he says through.

      And for the record, I do not vote Green. I do not need to follow How to Vote cards - though I may do, especially in the Senate…

      And I don’t give a hoot how you vote. Seriously. Sloppy argument, well, that’s a different matter.

      In the Senate, it is all too easy to cast your preferences on candidates whose “share” will get exhausted before your preference gets its full value.

      So Vote, please, whoever you support.
      Use a How to Vote card,  if you like.
      But Vote and please, make sure you cast a valid vote, on both ballots.

    • Lilypuddle says:

      03:23pm | 21/07/10

      Introducing a levy to junk food is not a bad thing, unless your into junk food. I look at our overweight kids and shudder. What chance have they got for a long healthy life? I am not a Green voter but your health is the most valuable thing you have in life

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      05:18pm | 21/07/10

      The trouble with democracy is that everyone gets to vote. Unfortunately most don’t think; don’t investigate; don’t question. don’t protest. They just vote and then whinge and criticize. At least a minimum I.Q. (Maybe minimum 50 points would knock out half)  should be required.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:27am | 22/07/10

      Of course people are going to vote Green, who wouldnt want to feel all warm and fuzzy,. The fact that their policies, “and   use the term lightly” would beggar Australia and make living here almost impossible wouldnt matter to the brain dead fuzzies anyway. To make the point just look at whats happened to the debate, moved to make way for a “reality” Tv show which shows the mentality of the voters we have to deal with. We are doomed I say doomed. Maybe we can all get onto boats and illegally immigrate to Afganistan or somewhere similar, better than living in the weird world of the Greens.

    • Benny says:

      01:38pm | 22/07/10

      The people attacking the Greens hate the environment. I urge all reasonable minded Australians to reject the Religious Autocracy that represents the Labor, Libs and Nationals and Vote for reason. Do you want Australia to be raped by bucktoothed vermin from the bush, and psycopathic, alcohol-swilling bogans?

      If you vote for   the Liberal or Labor parties, you are voting for all of those nice beaches and forests that appear in Tourism ads to be eliminated and torn down to make way for Greedy developers.

    • Press says:

      02:59pm | 22/07/10

      Benny sounds more than a touch too rabid to be true. The other “Benny” who posted here pretty often up til May was a dyed-in-the-wool Lib booster.

      Not looking good “benny”

    • Peasant #3167 says:

      08:39pm | 22/07/10

      Press, I’m a psychologist of written communication. My guess is you have a struggle with obesity. Am I right?

    • Paddy says:

      09:08am | 19/08/10

      Id be voting for them if that was the case. Their 2 party Preference has cost them my vote….. Which is sad because they’re the clostest to getting it right and probably have more interest than they have in previous elections

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@seamus yeah it's now called Smooth or Soft or Douchey Dad FM or something

Paul Colgan

It's a Sydney thing, but 95.3FM... Why? It used to be all Bohemian Rhapsody and Walk this Way; now it's Father to Son and Country Road. Wah.

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