Not since Carrie Bradshaw tapped away at her laptop has a column started with a dafter question, but here goes: Could Germaine Greer be single-handedly responsible for the complete destruction of a society and its culture?

In the firing line, again: Germaine Greer

And not just any old society, the one that has exported its language, manners and mores to the rest of the world more than any other. The British.

As ridiculous as it sounds, our expat Sheila-in-chief has been accused of bringing Britain to its knees by one of the country’s most widely-read commentators.

I’ve always quite liked the outspoken Germaine, even after she did a jig on Steve Irwin’s grave.

I haven’t read the Female Eunuch but I have read her columns in The Guardian and other newspapers and often admire them for their forthrightness.

Quentin Letts of the Daily Mail has a different opinion.

For those not familiar, Letts is kind of like Andrew Bolt, Piers Akerman and Tim Blair all tied together and hit with a stick. He’s right wing, reactionary and excitable.

Like his newspaper, Letts’ believes that Britain is irrevocably “broken” and that the emancipation of women has actually made life worse for everyone.

In his new book he writes:

The native British girls have become fat-faced ‘ladettes’, goose pimples rising on the skin of their exposed thighs as they clack-clack-clack along the pavement en route to the weekend disco, destination bonk.

Older generations would call these women ‘slappers’ - and they would be right. Before the night is out, some of them will be bending over a storm drain, puking, weeping, wailing “e don’t love me!” before passing out under some sulphurous street lamp.

In a century we have gone from an over-genteel society which covered table legs to the other extreme in which girls publicise their sexual availability by wearing T-shirts baring their flab-mottled bellies. Marriage has gone down the khazi, discarded by scowling intellectuals as a form of religio-sexual bondage, institutional sexism minted at the altar of a male-run religion.

And so women have been denied the financial and romantic security which came with marital vows. Women’s lib gave men an excuse not to make a commitment and many of them promptly took it.

And who, according to Quentin Letts, is to blame for this shambles?

Germaine Greer, the freckled Sheila who came to Britain in the early 1960s in search of fame, fortune and most of all headlines.

To her, feminism was about a declaration of sexual power and she began arguing that case in newspapers, books and on the airwaves. Women had to assert their sexual hunger in order to claim their rightful place alongside the hump-and-dump men.

To prove her point, Miss Greer set about the traditionalists of 1960s Cambridge rather as the brown-shorted, cork-hatted settlers of Tasmania once loaded their hunting rifles and went after the short-eared possum and the Aborigine. Bang bang. That was Germaine’s tactic. Wham bam bang.

This dinkum thinker posed in fields in her underwear, sometimes less, to plug her books. She seized up and discarded men like a tramp investigating old sandwich wrappers in a municipal rubbish bin. It was her prerogative as a woman so to do. Women had the right to misbehave.

Miss Greer by flaunting her bosoms and spitting out men as disposable sex objects, may have created a lucrative career for herself. She may have enabled women to cast aside horridly uncomfortable 1960s brassieres, instruments of near medieval torture. There was, though, a price to pay.

One consequence of her convention-shattering ways was a destruction of modesty and decency. Hedonistic? Exciting? Novel? Daring? Germaine Greer’s glory days were all of those. But the loss of dignity they entailed meant that the standing of women deteriorated.

With that, the conduct of men worsened. They no longer felt they owed their female acquaintances any sort of behavioural discount.

Statistics suggest that violent behaviour against women - and even by women against men - has risen. If women were to be treated equally, as Miss Greer demanded, surely it became no worse to hit a woman than a geezer. So certain cavemen seemed to think.

The very notion of being a gent became redundant if men and women were the same.

He’s right about one thing, Britain is nothing like the genteel society that many people around the world still imagine.

I’ve only seen a rougher charge for the door of a bus in Bombay as I do most mornings on the Old Kent Road.

And I haven’t seen women drink more since the Edinburgh Hotel in Bathurst in 1998.

But laying all of societies failings at the feet of one person is, obviously, ridiculous.

It’s time that Australian blokes sent Quentin Letts a message: Our women can say whatever they want.

But it’s also your God-given right not to listen to them if you choose.

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    • Dan says:

      05:04am | 30/11/09

      The way I see it, Greer has made one significant contribution to society (The Female Eunich) and she’s been irrelevant ever since. While I have no time for Letts (especially if you compare him to the disgusting Andrew Bolt, Piers Akerman and Tim Blair), I do wonder whether anyone in Australia really cares what Greer thinks anymore.

    • Bec says:

      05:15am | 30/11/09

      He uses so many words just to get across the message “feminism means that women no longer have to stoop to sleep with cock-bibs like me for mere survival”.

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      06:52am | 30/11/09

      I would have to agree with a lot he has to say and may I use schoolies as a prime example. I have no real issue (as a man) at an exposed midriff but at some point you girls are going to have to work out when it’s time to cover up again. My wife just said to me yesterday “why don’t you be comfortable and wear just a singlet” Yeah right! I can only suck it in for so long…...

    • Beria says:

      07:25am | 30/11/09

      Wow, Germaine Greer to blame for all of England’s Social Problems!

      Not the media, successive conservative governments, endemic decaying empire, remaining class divisions and many more factors that I cant even imagine.

      All not a factor, just one person.

      Love to hear his theories on the Global Financial Crisis, Terrorism and Illegal Drugs.

      I wonder what Obama is responsible for?
      Rodney King being beaten up perhaps?

    • ches says:

      07:40am | 30/11/09

      Beria,

      Obama is rather responsible for nothing ~ and he’s got a shiny nobel prize to show for it!

    • Simmo says:

      08:08am | 30/11/09

      I would happily blame germaine Greer for all of the worlds problems if I could.  The only time that woman speaks is to stick her nose in where it doesn’t belong and make a fool of herself and make the world think all Australians are just like her…

    • OldSlapper says:

      08:21am | 30/11/09

      Whow!She’ll be amazed to hear she’s had such an influence not only on Britain but the world.
      By the way she has two bosoms? I thought most women had one bosom?
      It was The Pill the invention of men that liberated women from certain pregnancy and gave them the same freedom as men.

    • COF says:

      08:24am | 30/11/09

      Germaine is as responsible for any societal change as any other social or political pundit. It’s just an opinion - if someone is weak enough to take opinion as fact, who is to blame - the opinion writer or the weakling? I doubt she has that much influence over people anyway.

      I would probably say that it was celebration of the ordinary through reality television that has dropped societal standards - the standard of acceptable behaviour set by the media has fallen.

    • ~Rumpleteazer~ says:

      08:44am | 30/11/09

      Greer has a big mouth. I have always enjoyed a man sending me roses or opening my car door, I love the respect I get. Never been a womens libber with hairy armpits and NO man in my life.  I think Greer caused a lot of men to TURN. Woman became too agressive for some and they preferred the same sex. Not as demanding.  There are a hell of a lot of single bitter womens libbers, with saggy tits, turning grey…......waiting for further instructions!!!!

    • Chase Stevens says:

      08:45am | 30/11/09

      See? Australians can bring countries to the ground with /books/. Who needs a huge military when we can write a book or two?

    • kel says:

      08:54am | 30/11/09

      Thank you Bec - you summed it up perfectly grin

    • bec says:

      08:55am | 30/11/09

      Wow, Rumpleteazer, can you teach me to be *classy* like you? Do I need to walk with a book on my head and practice my best pageant-wave, or is acting like a rude, judgemental douchebag who conflates a cheesy $15 box of Ferrero Rochers for respect good enough?

    • Mort says:

      08:55am | 30/11/09

      Since the invention of alcohol, Britian has always had a drunken loutish culture, just like Australia.

    • iansand says:

      09:02am | 30/11/09

      The great failure of feminism was that women decided to turn into men, instead of making men more like them.

    • Jimbo Jones says:

      09:18am | 30/11/09

      I like Paris Hilton myself, I think she sets a great example for the lasses of today, should be more of ‘em.  Good on ya’ Paris!

    • Zi says:

      10:08am | 30/11/09

      Greer represents a low class, disrespectful form of culture. Is she a good wife, mother, friend? Highly doubt it.

    • Bateman says:

      10:14am | 30/11/09

      Greer is responsible for writing a book and nothing more. To lay whatever perceived ills of society at her feet is ridiculous.

      It takes a lot of people to make a society what it is. Greer is just one person.

      Where are the parents of these ladettes? They raised the “girls”, they taught them. They produced them.

      But like we’ve seen with blaming bankers for the GFC, we all like a scapegoat.

    • Tim says:

      10:42am | 30/11/09

      Bec,
      i think feminism made it more likely for women to sleep with “cock-bibs” as you put it. It just isn’t for survival anymore.

    • RT says:

      10:45am | 30/11/09

      iansand - I don’t know who you have been sleeping with, but no woman I know well has become a man.

    • James says:

      11:00am | 30/11/09

      Zi, define “good wife” for us please.

    • stephen says:

      03:59pm | 02/12/09

      Yes dear. Yes dear. Yes dear…etc.

    • AdamC says:

      11:17am | 30/11/09

      The idea that ‘ladettes’ who squish themselves into too-small, too-revealing, too-loud outfits before a night of binge-drinking and careless sexuality have anything to do with Germaine Greer is ridiculous. That wasn’t what she was advocating at all.

      I don’t know where these sorts of girls (we have them here, too) come from, but they were not inspired by The Female Eunuch, nor was the general ‘yob culture’ of which they are a part.

    • bec says:

      11:19am | 30/11/09

      I take it your love life is *thriving* then, Tim.

    • cats says:

      11:22am | 30/11/09

      Feminism has been good in some ways, but bad in others. Women shouldn’t act exactly like men. Yes we should have equal opportunities in the work place and the ability to choose the job we want to do, BUT women who give their sexuality away too freely are pretty much destroying whatever respect men have for them. They have destroyed it for the rest of us. Men are not complex beings. If we give them what they want, then they will think it too easy and loose interest and respect.

      I know this from talking to numerous young men my age. They do not get rejected much anymore. But when they do get rejected, they become angry and think the girl is a prude, when really she either is not attracted and doesn’t want to sleep with them, or doesn’t want to throw her sexuality around. We have lost control of our sexuality because of people like Germaine Greer teaching us to be animals like men.

    • James says:

      11:48am | 30/11/09

      Have you read any of Greer’s work, cats?

    • Tim says:

      12:26pm | 30/11/09

      @Bec,
      never had any problems with my love life thanks.
      You must be busy however, spreading the *feminism*.

    • papachango says:

      12:28pm | 30/11/09

      Greer is clearly intelligent, and by all accounts The Female Eunuch was pretty inspirational to feminism and women’s liberation. But that was 30 years ago. Now she is a bitter, deluded old woman, with a posionously totalitarian extreme Marxist ideology and hatred of the West that has overtaken any feminist desire for liberty and equality of women that she may have once had. A case in point is her absolute refusal to condemn, and actual support for, female genital mutilation in Islamic countries - that undoes any feminist credentials she might have once had in my opinion. Not to mention that her appalling excusal of indigenous violence against women because they are ‘oppressed by whites’.

      30 years ago she spoke out for freedom for women. Nowdays she argues that freedom is dangerous and that it is not something we should strive for - she prefers a Marxist dictatorship where dissent is silenced.

      She’s still intelligent and articulate, but dangerous and absolutely barking as well.

      That said, as much as I utterly detest Greer’s political and cultural views, I don’t think she’s responsible for the rise of yob culture - Letts is drawing a very long bow. Even if you accept his arguments, is it Greer’s fault that the women (and men) in question can’t handle liberty? Though maybe that’s what she was getting at with her anti-freedom lecture in Sydney recently?

    • Eleanor says:

      12:39pm | 30/11/09

      “Statistics suggest that violent behaviour against women - and even by women against men - has risen. If women were to be treated equally, as Miss Greer demanded, surely it became no worse to hit a woman than a geezer. So certain cavemen seemed to think”

      Or, perhaps Quentin - and this is an absolute outside chance - that back in the 50’s, it simply wasn’t reported? A woman said she fell down the stairs, and physicians believed her. Women would have much rather been beaten to a bloody pulp than become a social outcast - a divorcee.

    • DG says:

      01:19pm | 30/11/09

      Eleanor (1:39pm | 30/11/09)

      It’s probably a combination of both. What percentage of carpark fights are reported to police? How many males that are punched, kicked or otherwise assaulted report the matter to the authorities?

      I think the point that Quentin was making is that it has long been the case that “to settle it like a man” involved going toe-to-toe. Such matters were dealt with and never went any further, they certainly weren’t/aren’t reported.. If women are to be treated no differently to males, the result is more assaults against women.

      It is a complex situation, my wife tends to claim that Feminism ruined the world. But spends her days enjoying the rights that the feminist movement provided. The problem is feminism doesn’t speak for all women. Nor would it be possible to do so.

      I personally think that feminism granted certain rights to but in doing so removed the “fairer sex” label and removed the general duty to protect women. ie opening doors, etc. Probably a reasonable trade but I can understand why some women are left feeling ripped off, especially if they prefer the “kept woman” philosophy.

    • Helen says:

      01:59pm | 30/11/09

      Absolute rubbish, Papachango. I saw Greer speak when she last visited Melbourne and she was asked a direct question about Islamic and other countries. Her reply was twofold: One, we don’t have standing in these countries. In other words, we can go and lecture Imams or politicians in Somalia or Saudi Arabia about genital mutilation and other practices, but we are just whistling on the wind because we have no standing there. Two, we need to clean up our own back yard first. But as the thread on White Ribbon Day shows, a lot of Westerners think their back yard is perfect, and refuse to address the domestic violence, rape, exploitation and other practices in the West. Hence we dilute our own message by not walking the walk.

      Germs often goes for the sensational troll rather than genuine rational discussion (which she’s more than capable of) but that articulation was just spot on.

    • bella starkey says:

      02:00pm | 30/11/09

      People seem to be forgetting that there is a huge difference between being abused in a relationship and getting into a beef at the pub.

    • marley says:

      03:02pm | 30/11/09

      Greer is an easy target, but I would have thought Betty Friedan’s “The Feminine Mystique”  was far more seminal than “The Female Eunuch.”  It was the first book, not the second which really kicked off the feminist movement in 60’s American and elsewhere.

      And feminism, women’s lib, whatever you want to call it, would have happened with or without Greer.  A lot of writers and thinkers, not to mention a lot of very frustrated women trying to crack the job market in the 60s, would have ensured that the relationship between men and women changed. 

      And I suspect one of the real engines of change wasn’t Greer, but television - women got to see other women arguing about equal rights, burning bras and demanding equal pay.  A lot of those women never read either Friedan or Greer, but started demanding more of a say in society after watching demonstrations or speeches on TV. 

      Greer wrote one important book almost 40 years ago.  That was enough to give her a place in the history of women’s lib, but hardly enough to lay at her feet all the failings of modern British society.

    • papachango says:

      03:23pm | 30/11/09

      Helen - I don’t buy that ‘articulation’ as you call it - it’s just intellectually dishonest leftwing cultural relativism.

      All it shows to me is that, for Germs, extreme cultural relativism trumps feminism so much that if the two come into direct conflict she’ll happily give up feminism. Also, it’s not a matter of being ‘perfect’; before you can criticise anyone else worse than you. Nobody’s saying the West is perfect, but few apart from the likes of Greer would argue that we are equal to Saudi Arabia in our treatment of women.

      Of course Greer is entitled to that view, as much as I disagree with it. But as someone clearly not stupid, she should be honest and admit she is no longer a feminist, but a cultural relativist instead. A true feminist would see such appalling treatment of women as universally unacceptable and would roundly condemn it regardless of any cultural arguments, or whether or not we have ‘standing’ in Somalia or Saudi Arabia.

    • ChelseaLee says:

      03:55pm | 30/11/09

      I could not agree with Quentin Letts more.

    • zoe says:

      12:06pm | 01/12/09

      I don’t know whether she’s responsible for the rise of the ladette, but I do think we can safely say she is responsible for global warming (she produces a lot of hot air).

    • Kika says:

      02:06pm | 01/12/09

      I agree with this articule. I think with women’s lib we have lost the art of the feminine. We have given men the right to have what they want from us, without having to give us anything in return. When we demand the committment and children from them that we biologically need, they run for the hills. Not only because the thought of the committment scares them, they don’t HAVE to. With womens lib we were told we CAN go out there, have fun, travel, get jobs and do the horizontal polka with anyone you want - but speaking with 99% of my single friends they are NOT HAPPY deep down inside.

    • Peter says:

      02:26pm | 01/12/09

      The real problem has been the usurpation of British culture by the Working Class.  The Middle Class lost the culture wars.

    • Helen says:

      03:03pm | 01/12/09

      Papachango, you’re just parrotting a cliche of the right. It’s not “cultural relativism” to say hang on a minute, the West is not the paragon of virtue that it claims to be. That does not mean you excuse anything that other cultures do. But you don’t seem to understand at all by what she meant by lack of standing. What it means is that without any standing in some other society, we can come in and lecture them until we’re blue in the face but they won’t listen. It’s hard enough to make men in our own countries listen; witness the refusal to support action against domestic violence on the White Ribbon thread.

      Each year we read about numerous women killed by “estranged” spouses, lovers or boyfriends, which is about power and the loss of it in a relationship. We don’t *call* it “honour killings” or hold it up as an icon of badness as we do the killing of women in other countries; we just read it in the tabloids and move on. we don’t clean up our own back yard.

    • DG says:

      08:48am | 02/12/09

      @Kika (03:06pm | 01/12/09)

      “We have given men the right to have what they want from us, without having to give us anything in return”.

      I disagree. Men have no right to take anything from women without their consent. The change is that women have decided to give men what they want in the hope that men will give what the women want in return, there is no obligation, as there once was, to care and provide for a woman who gives herself to the relationship. Both parties had legally enforceable duties to each other - and would he named, shamed, and punished for their betrayal. 

      “When we demand the committment and children from them that we biologically need, they run for the hills.”

      two things on this -
      * Men have the right to say no to the things women want, just as women have the right to say no to the things a man wants. It’s equality.
      * Not all women “need” children as you put it. Many would rather pursue a career. If you doubt this look at the number of women that choose to have a career rather than children, or who find that they have left it too late to have healthy children while they were pursuing a career.

      I think that the real problem you describe is that neither party is bound by the promises that they make - whether it relate to loyalty, sex, commitment, children or any other matter. We call it “no fault divorce”.

      Whether it be a man promising to be in a committeed relationship or have kids, or a woman promising sex and loyalty - there is no consequence for betraying that promise. Our no responsibility world considers this to be a simple ‘change of heart’ and an excuse for betrayal of the highest order.

      @Helen (04:03pm | 01/12/09)

      I’m not sure what you are saying here.

      Are you suggesting that those people that kill their partners do so because they believe they are allowed to or that they are doing the right thing?

      I dare say that the fact that we prosecute such people and throw them in prison shows the lie of your words that “we just read it in the tabloids and move on”. We, as a society, cannot protect people from each other all of the time - It is simply impractical. What we can do is tell people it’s not OK. But my point is that every male in this country KNOWS that it is no OK to kill ones partner or their EX.

      Domestic Violence is no more “wrong” (and no less wrong) than punching someone at the pub, or on the bus - the position is that violence towards other people is wrong. Every one KNOWS that this is the case but some people choose to do it any way (just as people choose to drink and drive or choose to speed).

      People will do the “wrong thing” for various reasons, but most commonly it is for personal gain - whether that be increasing power, increasing wealth (i.e stealing), revenge etc. These people know that it is wrong and choose to do it any way. I don’t understand your theory that if we tell them again they’ll understand, or that we just ignore it.

      On what basis do you claim that we do nothing about it? The behaviour is criminalised, and people know that it’s not acceptable to behave violently towards ones partner. What more should be done? How can you possibly stop people from doing some thing that they know is wrong - short of detaining them just in case?

      Consider this - a man goes home at night to his wife - what stops him killing her in her sleep? What can you possibly do to stop it? There is no warning, he knows it’s wrong but has decided that he is going to take his revenge for some perceived wrong and then flee. The reality is that nothing can be done - other than hunting him down and putting him before the Court.

      Alternative scenario - a person goes home, his wife hasn’t but dinner on the table. He gets angry and hits her. He knows it’s wrong - but he was angry and it “just happened”, he’s never lost his temper before. What can be done to prevent that? he reality is that nothing can be done - other than hunting him down and putting him before the Court.

      In both of these cases there was a violent crime against a partner. In neither case would any amount of education change the situation. The community would be appropriately outraged at the person who carried out the violent act and the world will go on. What’s the alternative?

    • Faye says:

      12:37pm | 02/12/09

      DG you seem to have forgotten the cultural and societal context of the behaviour espoused by men and women and the expectations - realistic or not - on one another, imposed on each other.

      Years ago men were far more respectful and courteous to women and women were far more feminine yet possessed a strength which helped hoist the family up for years of strong family cohesiveness, flanked by a protective, dominant and loving husband.

      Cultures which seem women as lower - such as today’s current trend of men’s treatment of women even in our ‘western world’ sits in the same boat as the men in undeveloped cultures and countries who will not let a woman touch and taint a ‘plough’, make her do 70% - 80% of menial labour outside the house and inside, expect her to eat last and least in the family and still have the gall to sprout wonderous verses such as ‘Women are like children - they eat and do nothing.”
      Just because there is an expectation for a woman to open her legs to any man that comes hoping for a marriage proposal to come by to no avail doesn’t make it ‘liberal’ nor feministic.

    • DG says:

      01:34pm | 02/12/09

      Faye -

      Not at all. The cultural context giving rise to respect and courtesy was one of mutual need. Women needed a husband to provide for and protect them, while men needed a wife to have sex and provide an heir.

      In that context each had something that the other needed - respect and courtesy were the practical result*. Not only that, if a person wanted to end the marriage they had to show that the other person had done the wrong thing - one couldn’t just say “I don’t like this any more” - and perhaps more importantly, if they had done the wrong thing by the partner they would be named and shamed and there would be a negative social stigma associated with that.

      Now, men don’t need to get married - they can get sex without it. Women don’t need men they can own possession in their own right. Welcome to equality.

      I’m not sure why you claim that women are seen as lower than men in the western world, perhaps it is simply that the grass is always greener on the other side. You find posts from men saying that women have it easier, and posts from women saying that men have it all their way… personally think that gender comesa distant second to the dollar as the key ingredient in determining how someone is treated.

      I suspect that I did not understand your point from the last paragraph.

      * one should not ignore the role that honour and integrity played, and must recognise that they were all but irrelevant in the modern world.

    • John Dark says:

      11:47pm | 02/12/09

      “No fault” divorce and the diminution of the idea of individuals responsibility for their actions and the resulting consequences has destroyed western culture. Germaine Greer is just a daft old bat who may have had something interesting and relevant to say, once upon a time ...

 

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