Bridget Jones has a generation of Chinese sisters. They are unmarried, aged 30 or above and known as shengnu or leftover women.

On the hunt for a husband. Picture: AP

Shengnu was once an offensive term and popular only in Shanghai but an increase in the number of singles has meant these women are now a small social force in cities like Beijing. A popular newspaper reported recently: “The era of the shengnu is here”.

Shengnu also carry the unflattering title of 3S women, meaning single, born in the seventies and considered “stuck” (although many would insist they have chosen to remain single). They are educated and well paid but remain unmarried despite being past the age traditionally considered most appropriate for getting hitched in China.

The issue is not about the availability of men. China has a well-documented gender imbalance, due mainly to a centuries-old preference for males, particularly in rural areas. Just this week, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences said this imbalance could lead to 24 million men of marrying age being unable to find a partner by 2020.

State-run media reported that the rise of shengnu is linked to a teaching in traditional Chinese culture about the social status of husband and wife. “The patriarch in Qian Zhongshu’s novel, Fortress Besieged, famously says: “I wish my daughter to marry a man from a family of higher standing and my son to marry a woman of the lower rank,” the newspaper quoted.

A shengnu writing in the same newspaper provided a more modern insight: “Five years ago, and just before I entered college, my mother gave me the most important advice of my life: five criteria for selecting my future boyfriend.”

“He should be perfectly healthy and none of his family members should have suffered from serious health problems; he should be better educated than me; he should be at least 10 cm taller than me; he should have a better financial background than me; and he should have single eyelids.

“Modern Chinese women tell the world that they are men’s equals. While they want to be treated the same as men in education and employment, when it comes to relationships, they seek out unbalanced situations.”

The social phenomenon was recently documented in a play titled Leftover Lady. It told the story of a 29-year-old woman who was well educated and well paid but very particular when choosing her husband. The production has been a national success and staged in more than 100 times in major Chinese cities last year.

However, not all shengnu are focused on finding a husband. A single 31-year-old friend told me that she would prefer to focus on her career. She said she did not consider marriage a necessity, as it was for her mother’s generation, and was cautious of the rising divorce rate, which has been steadily increasing since economic reforms began in the 1970s.

“Maybe I am single because I’m a journalist and intelligent and not at home in the kitchen and wanting to look after them,” she said.

A survey released Monday found that about 41 percent of single women in China were worried they might not be able to find the right person to marry. However, only 8.1 percent of single men interviewed admitted that they had the same concern, said the survey, which was conducted over three years and questioned about 2.2 million people.

About 40 percent of women admitted they had high expectations for their future husbands but 44 percent said they would not lower their standards just in order to get married.

Fan Aitian, general secretary of the China Association of Marriage and Family Studies, which commissioned the survey along with a matchmaking website, said: “Many single people, especially women, are confused in their criteria of a suitable spouse because of pressure from society and work.”

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    • Tim says:

      08:36am | 15/01/10

      Ha Ha,
      why is this a surprise? The exact same thing happens in Australia, and women complain of a man drought.
      It shows that even in China where there is a massive gender imbalance in terms of population, women still can’t make a decision.

    • AFR says:

      08:46am | 15/01/10

      I saw a similar thing in Bangkok years ago where the majority of university graduates were female. There were a lot of women that had reached 30, often had bought their own apartment etc. They weren’t interested in marrying “below them”, and anyway, a lot of local men were intimidated by them. Foreigners were often a little wary of them as well, preferring to shag younger prettier, and dumber girls.

    • Sam says:

      08:51am | 15/01/10

      I went wife-hunting in China a couple of years ago and caught me a real beauty. Intelligent (in an unconventional way), ambitious and driven, feisty and hot, principled yet not too conservative, loyal and supportive yet not submissive, innocent at heart with traces of wicked selfish realism… and did I mention HOT - I’ve had to beat the men off with the proverbial stick. OMG - what a handful, what an immense challenge, she has made me into a man I never thought I could become. And I haven’t even started on overcoming the language and cultural barriers. We’ve been married for a couple of years now, and it’s head and shoulders above the single life. I feel such a relief that I don’t have to bother going out to noisy places filled with 30+ innocent yet basically lost fashion victims (and there is the inevitable generalisation - though it’s accurate enough as far as I’m concerned).

      Ok, I get it, having babies is a scary thought, and there’s no going back to your fun-filled youth once you’ve started, but marriage doesn’t mean you have to have babies. It just means that you’re done with the search for “the one”. As if there is ONLY ONE receptor that we’re meant to hone in on. If you have genuine compassion for the human condition (created in the image of God - yet as vulnerable as an eggshell) you ought to find something worth your love in just about anyone. Even the devil was once an angel. It’s just a question of maximising compatibility and preference for congruent attitudes to life’s basket of issues, but I digress (just a little).

      Getting back to the article, I think these “shengnu” are also fashion victims. The fashion of “career over family” is self-destructive behaviour in its latest form. Catering to our needs (economics) at the expense of our desires (psychology) is going to leave us sad but warm and well fed, lonely but surrounded by electronic gadgets and other unnecessary luxuries. Balance is the key, and marriage is an opportunity for rebirth without which… well you’re just about over the hill if you don’t want to be reborn by the time you’re 30 or 35 (but hope is not lost for the above 35’s - it’s just that statistics are no longer on your side, and neither is your physique).

      To put it briefly: Men prefer to marry a younger woman (I mean 23 - 28) and Women will be outcompeted regularly by the time they hit their late 20’s. So,  when the women of Melbourne didn’t show enough interest in me, I decided that the world was my oyster and they were too old and fat for my liking anyway. The moral of the story: it’s a man’s world, and if it wasn’t we’d all be lost fashion victims who simply couldn’t make a decision in time and probably become extinct within a couple of generations. Who’s your daddy baby?

    • Rover says:

      08:58am | 15/01/10

      @sam - nice boasting. But seriously dude, you have a problem.  And please don’t purport to speak for all men.  You don’t.  Wives are not trophies that you shop for in another country because the women of your own city for some reason don’t find you remotely attractive.

    • bella starkey says:

      09:06am | 15/01/10

      gross

    • Sam says:

      09:22am | 15/01/10

      hahaha - if I had a dollar for every woman in a maxi dress and tom-cruise top gun sunglasses tonight. Why is that such a funny image? probably because I’m a chauvinist. I just can’t stop laughing.

    • Sam says:

      09:28am | 15/01/10

      @Rover, In a world of problems, my problem is an antidote and a coping mechanism.

      I’m extremely attractive, it’s just the women in Melbourne are blind sheep who prefer an idiot like Ben Cousins.

      And my wife is not a trophy…. to me she’s my protectorate, under a mandate she enforces herself. She’s the Chairman who regularly tells me that I’m her CEO.

    • Bec says:

      09:35am | 15/01/10

      For the life of me, I cannot think of *why* 1.5 million women would look at Sam and think ‘I’m not gay, but I’ll learn’.

    • Chewy says:

      09:50am | 15/01/10

      I got visions of an aging overweight man who thinks hes cool waltzing around with some poor girl old enough to be his grand daughter who just wanted a ticket to a better life. Hes gotta be trolling.

    • Sam says:

      09:52am | 15/01/10

      @Bec, I love it when real statistics and real trends reveal the fallacies of popular contemporary thought. Don’t you mean 1.5 million lonely desperate chubby alcoholic maxi dress wearing fashion victims, who are all *individuals*. Like I said, I just can’t stop laughing and it seems I’m having the last laugh this time while your ovaries dry up and I cook dinner for my lovely wife in our lovely secure home away from the noise of self-destructive opinions. Can you hear the laughter? Isn’t it a beautiful day. Thank God I am me and not any of you.

    • Rover says:

      09:54am | 15/01/10

      @Bec - hehehehe
      @Sam - please spare us the diddums cutesie couple talk. Breakfast wasn’t long enough ago to stomach “She’s the Chairman who regularly tells me that I’m her CEO”.
      You’re like Jerry and Sheila in the Soup Nazi ep of Seinfeld (which was on last night) - “You’re the shnoopie” “No, YOU’RE the shnoopie”

    • yas says:

      09:55am | 15/01/10

      men are just whining because for the first time in history getting a wife may involve more effort than any other time.
      too bad;

      go out, read a couple of books, flick through Wikipedia, get an education of some sort AND as good a job as you can. Stop complaining that successful accomplished women who have done all of these things will not give you their time of day; other wise, you can go and shag “young, pretty, dumb ones”.
      think about how it feel for the women who have forged their way in a mans world, come out the other end not too worse for wear, only to notice they left all their male peers in their wake… very sad, for all involved.

    • Freddo says:

      09:57am | 15/01/10

      I dare say Bec,
      you are probably exactly the type of girl Sam is talking about.
      Sam,
      funny story. Some women just can’t handle the truth.

    • Sam says:

      10:07am | 15/01/10

      @Chewy, I’m 34 and my wife is 28, I’m 180cm tall and 85-90kg. I know what you’re talking about with those “visions” straight out of a beach in Pataya, but this ain’t one of those. This is one of those modern interracial couples, you know, the pioneers of tomorrow. grin

    • Sam says:

      10:19am | 15/01/10

      @Rover, that’s just it… the amazing thing is I thought I’d have to be content with dwindling passion after a few months of marriage, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised. If anything our bond just gets stronger and stronger and there seems to be no limit to the growth of our love. Sorry about your breakfast mate!

      As far as I’m concerned it’s a happy story, and I don’t see why anyone would begrudge me my happiness.

    • Sam says:

      10:25am | 15/01/10

      @yas, I think you’ve totally misread this article whose contention is that women are being left behind and not the men (who will always have dumb young things to shag especially in such a promiscuous society).

      Who knew that traditional conservative attitudes actually protected women rather than oppressed them. I did.

    • Bec says:

      10:25am | 15/01/10

      I like that you think anyone who dislikes you must be unattractive or single. Don’t own a maxidress, and my sunnies are daggy prescription ones.

      See, smart broads can see your type coming from a mile away. We know you’re not smart, because you go to the same overpriced bars full of narcissistic cashed up bogans and yet you lament that you could not find a decent or non-shallow woman! Hint: we’re in libraries, finishing our theses. Or we’re on the sporting field. We’re in foreign language classes, in our communities volunteering, or we’re in our church groups. But, most importantly, we’re not interested in you because we already have boyfriends or husbands who are kinder than you, smarter than you, and less self-loathing than you. We didn’t meet them at a place that charges seven bucks for a domestic beer, but in a place where we could see how generous, practical and community-minded they were.

      Sorry, but suck it up. You knowingly dove into a shallow pool: don’t complain if you break your neck.

    • T.Chong says:

      10:26am | 15/01/10

      Yas and Sam; Sam is obviosly taking the piss, while Yas sounds serios.
      All these great gals who cant find a partner as good, wealthy or intelligent as themselves,
      get over yourselves and read less Jane Austen

    • Chewy says:

      10:33am | 15/01/10

      @Sam, cool good to see you could tell I was taking the p*ss.
      “the pioneers of tomorrow. “
      Mate sorry you aint Robinson crusoe go to any shopping mall in any major city and wait 20 seconds you will see other mixed couples. Mixed babies look oh so cute too.

    • Chewy says:

      10:47am | 15/01/10

      @Bec Struth Bec! you seem to be proving the mans point for him while trying to debate him.
      @T.Chong I thought he was a troll but now I am pretty sure hes just nuts and in love.

    • Shama says:

      10:55am | 15/01/10

      Judging from Sam’s posts, it wasn’t his looks as much as his conversation that drove away the women of Melbourne. The smugly dumbs may be too much even for the dumb Aussie shags he decries. Good thing his wife speaks a different language - that must help.

      I think just the other day I read some apocalyptic number of single men in China thanks to the single child policy and gender selection.  Today the increasing number of leftovers! This anxiety about singles seems highly misplaced - far as I can see the world population is ticking along nicely and more so someone must be coupling up somewhere. All these posts do is bring some random women haters with random theories out of the woodwork - to which all the women give earnest, heated replies and soon it is a gender war.

    • yas says:

      10:56am | 15/01/10

      @Sam, i’m sure no one is begrudging you anything; congratulation on what seems to be a happy and stable relationship. i think the point your missing is that there is a whole world beyond your own (and your wonderful wifes’s) limited existence. rubbing people’s faces in “the growth of” your love is tacky and demonstrates a deep seated insecurity; and i’m not sure if any one here cares… just saying…

    • Sam says:

      11:01am | 15/01/10

      @Bec, When I dived into that shallow pool, I was a naive 17yo who desperately wanted the world to recognise my worth to this universe. I was dragged in by all my “mates” and their sheepish opinions into a world that can be best described as “the blind leading the blind”. The moment I ditched my mates and along with it the need to belong to any social group, was the moment that I saw the light. Who cares about the community if my life is going up the proverbial creek. Who cares about society if I can’t even be appreciated for who I am. Unfortunately I lost a few years along that journey, but it was a great journey and I’ve arrived. I may not be the smartest, but that’s because I was kicked in the head in primary school for actually doing my homework and answering the teacher’s questions. I was born with too much brains for what this world deserves, so I learned to dumb it down in favour of survival for the time being, but I knew my time would come.

      We live in a society that idolises Ben Cousins and Tiger Woods rather than Stephen Hawking and Moses. And my kindness is towards individuals human beings, not a bunch of sheep more concerned with whales and CO2 emissions than they are about the thousands of men, women, and children who will die TODAY from preventable man-made circumstances such as inequitable wealth distribution. Screw that, I can build my own world and watch the rest of you self-destruct. That may not include you Bec, but if you don’t fit my generalisations, then why are you offended, unless you secretly plan to buy a maxi dress this weekend and were hoping that you hadn’t left it too late to catch that wave. Surely they’re on sale at Chadstone or the new DFO - South Warf.

    • Rover says:

      11:24am | 15/01/10

      @Sam - and again, if you are at all serious - dude, you have a problem.
      But well done for hijacking this entire post, shnoopie!

    • Bec says:

      11:31am | 15/01/10

      If I’m not included, then don’t YOU include me. Your problem is the same problem that every bitter sod who isn’t over their childhood annoyances has: you project. You don’t look at the fact that if all your prior relationships were bad, you should examine the common denominator, rather than blaming it on an entire sex. (The common denominator is you, btw.) so you were bullied for being smart. Big deal: welcome to Australia. You might have been the nerdy kid in school, but it didn’t stop you wanting the same thing that the bogan jocks who picked on you had: a conventionally pretty girlfriend who wouldn’t pick at your shortcomings. I bet your female equivalents didn’t get a look-in.

      Good for you on your happiness. It might have taken you longer to get to than it did for me, but wevs. Don’t presume for a second, though, that the problem is with us if you have to actively go out and SHOP for a wife, though. It’s all you, baby.

    • Chewy says:

      11:34am | 15/01/10

      “I may not be the smartest, but that’s because I was kicked in the head in primary school for actually doing my homework and answering the teacher’s questions. I was born with too much brains for what this world deserves, so I learned to dumb it down in favour of survival for the time being, but I knew my time would come.”

      This has to be a gee up. I suspected Sam was just fishing, then I thought maybe he is just nuts and in love, now I am convinced hes taking the p*ss. Thanks for supplying the laughs. LMAO

    • Sam says:

      11:52am | 15/01/10

      @Shama, Well, you gotta love it, first you read a story about something that is undoubtedly negative (women being lonely), then you highlight the solution to the problem (which is to attack and ridicule women’s “career over family” choices), then you get told that you have deep-seated insecurities, nuts, not smart enough, and my conversations are what scare away the women (who incidentally would rather discuss what? Australian Idol, Facebook gossip).

      I’ll say it again, I’m glad I’m me and not anybody else. I couldn’t possibly be or feel more secure. And relative to everyone else, I’m definitely nuts, because it seems you can’t live unless you feel that you are “normal”, thereby automatically making anybody who is different relatively “nuts”. If you’re so desperate to be classified as “normal” then you tell me, who’s the one with deep-seated insecurities.

      I’m sure some of you have heard “The Man Who Sold The World”, well I’ve sold all your opinions, all your disingenuous selective humanitarianism and the need for your approval, and in return I have been granted happiness and success by my God.

      So, have a lovely weekend everyone, but if I lie down in the dirt any longer I fear I will get dirty once again, and popular opinion is an especially difficult stain to get rid of. Adios “normal” people.

    • Paul Horn says:

      12:01pm | 15/01/10

      Well said Sam the difference between Asian and Western Women is extreme. Asian ladies know how to respect a man and make him feel good to be one! Conversely Western women show contempt, spew invective and display hatred towards their opposite number. This is heavily supported by the feminist and media juggernaut. Western sexuality based on Hollywood filth and feminist propoganda is designed to shred the heterosexual relationship to bits and will not stop until it has achieved nothing less and it is doing a damned good job of it presently! 

      Having spent many years in Asia the thing that really hits you in the face is the innocence and trust that exists between the sexes. Walking into an office and being paid an innocent compliment on the way you look and responding in kind is gobsmackingly refreshing. Similar behaviour here would earn you a 500 year gaol term in our pornographically obsessed society. Strange how perverted Western culture believes it has the sexual balance right when women compete for sexual power and obsess over body image. Yet their attitude towards men is overtly aggressive and vindictive regardless of how respectful the male manner.

      And don’t worry about the supposed surfeit of males in China! By comparison this will be far outweighed by the percentage of folk in Western society who will remain forever single. The difference being of course that the excess single males in China will have a connection and relevance to their society whereas the excess of single western males many of whom are unemployed have no connection to anything! They are deemed to be useless and are completely invisible. Gutter trash unfortunatelyl If anyhting it is Western society that has far more to fear from disengaged males than China has. 

      Great article Ms Danks.

    • Cat says:

      12:02pm | 15/01/10

      What’s wrong with maxi-dresses? 

      I’m glad that women in a developing country feel free enough to break away from tradition.  Good for them.

    • I_Exist says:

      12:04pm | 15/01/10

      Sam sounds confused.  To top it off he also has an imaginary friend.  Must have been some kick in the head- grow up and keep your god(s) to yourself.

      Bwahahaha and say hi to Yoko for me

    • Sam says:

      12:06pm | 15/01/10

      @Bec, well what’s the point of experiences if you don’t use them to “project”. The common denominator isn’t me, it’s females who are mentally ill from what they’ve been fed by television. They’re told Ben Cousins is sexy, so they seek Ben Cousins, then they end up used and abused like an ice pipe. So I think they’re the ones who have to suck it up.

      I was bullied in primary school, but from then on I became the bully, and I was the biggest jock of them all, and still I didn’t like what I saw in the opposite sex. I don’t like women who have completely lost their femininity. Femininity is a scarce commodity in Melbourne, but abundant in China.

      And I didn’t “shop” for my wife (implying that I bought her with my money)... I “hunted” (implying that I researched then conquered my chosen one).

      Anyway, it’s time for some lunch.

    • Bec says:

      12:39pm | 15/01/10

      Sam, I feel sorry for you. You spent all these years not being who you could have been because ultimately, you’re a coward. Despite you thinking that your ex-friends are arseholes, you emulated them. You’re contemptuous of women and think they’re unintelligent, but you can’t figure out that they’ve smelled your contempt and want no part in it.

      If the only women you were associating with were status climbing creeps, that says something unsavoury about you. And using the word ‘hunting’ is way sleazier than shopping.

    • Pete says:

      01:05pm | 15/01/10

      This is a good thing. China does not need any more breeders. A couple of countries with over a billion people a piece is not sustainable, well not at first world living standards. As for the crux of the article, big whoop, asian, european, african, pacific, american, it doesnt matter where you are from. If you wont settle for at least a couple of notches below perfect, prepare to be lonely.

    • Champ says:

      01:16pm | 15/01/10

      @everyone - please stop rising to Sam’s ridiculous baits.

      Having lived in HK and Singapore I can assure you there are countless buffoons like Sammy here who couldn’t get laid in a monkey brothel with a bunch of bananas in their home country. However, they can in Asia. Reason being is that things such as wealth and status are much more important to Asian women when it comes to selecting a partner than looks are. So all these unlayable ex-pat professionals suddenly punch above their weight with the local lasses. Then they get treated like kings (which for some of these clowns, is a perceived entitlement). They then say women back home are bitches/ugly/fat/whatever because they are suddenly desirable for the first time in their lives. Sad but true.
      However, I do worry that Sam here, with his unconventionally intelligent (ie. dim) missus has yet to find true happiness, for if he was truly happy he’d have no need to spew such invective bile towards western women.

    • Freddo says:

      01:27pm | 15/01/10

      Bec,
      “Your problem is the same problem that every bitter sod who isn’t over their childhood annoyances has: you project”

      Maybe you should take your own advice Bec?

      Every comment you make on issues like this has the same hatred towards men.
      Were you not asked to dance at the school disco because you were the nerdy girl in the corner wearing glasses?

    • Sam says:

      01:30pm | 15/01/10

      @I_Exist, I would love to keep my God to myself… which implies that I won’t be taking any advice from you. So suck on my left one.

      @Bec, most women are unintelligent and deserving of my contempt (and yours too for that matter), and they didn’t smell jack because they were too busy trying to be men. I’m afraid you’re in denial about where you lie on your gender’s bell distribution curve. If you’re one of the smart ones who hang out in libraries and church groups and perform volunteer work and look for kindness in your boyfriend or husband then you are in the extreme minority. Most women don’t come within a country mile of your standards. You are not normal either, hope you can live with that.

      The reason I have contempt for most women is because my mother and sisters have set incredible standards by which I judge the rest. Next to my mother, what I see on the street is utter rubbish. So I grew up with the utmost of respect for what women are capable of, but sadly not all mothers are the same and the fruit seldom falls far from the tree.

      Please don’t feel sorry for me, I’m happy (remember), and my friends weren’t arseholes, they just didn’t know any better and neither did I at that age. Bravery or cowardice had nothing to do with it, we were all victims of television and popular opinion. Actually I think I’m very brave because I pulled myself out of that sheep mentality and decided to begin seeing the world through my own eyes, that’s when things began to turn for me, that’s when I found “success” and happiness was just around the corner when I achieved the milestone of finding my lifelong partner.

      Yes, I hunted (I don’t care if you think I’m sleazy or a misogynist), and the hunt was good and rewarding for both of us. We couldn’t be happier.

      What Melbourne women might have smelt about me, was that I’m not interested in being married to a man stuck inside a woman’s body, so they arched their backs and took a defensive stance. Now, they’re complaining “there are no men out there, all the good ones are taken”, that’s because men have a dream they want to bring their life closer to… and you don’t do that by marrying someone who’s already slept with 10 guys before she met you. You might call it an insecurity, and it may be partly, but mostly I think it’s just that I don’t want somebody else’s leftovers. I want fresh, and I got fresh. Can you handle that? I’m a man, and I reserve the right to define “man” in my life, in my world… so help me God (just for you @I_Exist).

      Have a good weekend.

    • J says:

      01:36pm | 15/01/10

      @champ - well said.  Happiness is like faith - those that are secure in their choices don’t need to ram it down other people’s throats. 

      @sam - seriously mate, all the best for your relationship - just try to do something about that anger, ok?  It’s not ok to be a bully, no matter how hard done by you may be.

    • Sam says:

      01:49pm | 15/01/10

      @Champ, in your world the women define what is attractive and you either live up to it or don’t. In my world, I know I’m a good catch and therefore I try to understand how it is that I couldn’t find my piece of happiness here.

      You assume too much (ie couldn’t get laid). I just couldn’t find anyone worthy of marriage or a lifelong commitment in my early 20’s because the girls were the ones with commitment issues. They wanted me to wait until after their golden years had passed and their biological clock began ticking. Well, no thanks, I know I can do better than that.

      Did you call my wife “dim”? If so then “go fuck your mother with a tree stump” (sorry that’s the best I can do over the internet). If not, then by unconventional I meant she’s not a doctor or an engineer but she’s smart in what really matters to me. Why is it so hard to believe that I’m happy? because I despise most western women? It’s not them, it’s their self-destructive opinionated behaviour. They’re hell bent on being men being equal with men at all costs (including their own survival and happiness which in turn has a flow on effect that impacts the health of our society, the place my children will grow up in). Hate the sin not the sinner (that’s for you again @I_Exist).

      Any more feminists trapped in a man’s body?

    • Yas says:

      01:49pm | 15/01/10

      @Sam;
      get professional help. I say this with heartfelt compassion… i promise you will happier as a person who at THE VERY LEAST can manage to come across as sane.

    • Sam says:

      01:51pm | 15/01/10

      @J, point taken, thanks.

    • Bec says:

      01:54pm | 15/01/10

      No Sam, just the repellent ones that your equally repellent, condescending, misanthropic personality attract. I’m surrounded by amazing men and women: straight and gay, religious and atheist, educated and blue collar, conservative and progressive, and I’m not even a particularly nice or hardworking person myself! None of them would have the time of day for your egotistical pity-party, and my grandmothers - religious, feminine and conservative women -would sooner slap you silly than listen to your ‘woe is me, nobody is as smart or wonderful as I think I am’ act.

      And sorry to disappoint you freddo, but I don’t hate men; I hate stupidity and ingratitude. I’d give the same to any woman posting the same pity-party crap.

    • Sam says:

      01:56pm | 15/01/10

      @J, I wouldn’t even bother to “ram it down people’s throat”, it’s just that someone responded to my comment, so I had to set the record straight. This is an article and you can leave your comments, but if people don’t like what you have to say and they bite, well why should I be bitten and not bite back?

    • Sam says:

      02:06pm | 15/01/10

      @Bec, you know what, you’re living in lala land and your workplace isn’t a representative sample of the population. Stick your head out of that cocoon and smell the noise pollution.

      Since @I_Exist is probably enjoying the left one, I think it’s time you were told to suck my right one woman. Just because you’ve been given the right to vote doesn’t mean your opinion is counted. Get back in the kitchen woman, make me a sandwich or something. I’m being attacked by a bunch of annoying good-for-nothing flies. Damn these parasites who dream of self-actualisation.

    • I_Exist says:

      02:20pm | 15/01/10

      LOOK OUT FOR SAM THE ALPHA MALE!!!

      Bwhahaha lets get this right:

      You were picked on as a child
      You didn’t get any with Aussie women
      You don’t associate with any old friends…
      And you have the time to post on this site every 30 mins (when most adults have better things to do then hit refresh)
      Ohhh and to further prove your intellect- you have an imaginary friend
      You insult women who are kind enough to engage in debate with you.
      And you invite strangers from the internet to suck your testicles (a job which I think is best left to your Asian she-male wife).

      Dam- I wish I was you! (insert that new sarcasm symbol here)

    • J says:

      02:23pm | 15/01/10

      @Sam,

      But why do you place so much importance on what they think?  If you’re so certain of where you’re coming from, why do other people’s opinions even matter?  You said you’ve stopped caring what other people and society think of you, but it appears to be the opposite today…

      You set yourself up for a showdown with your first comment. There’s no point you now complaining about how you have to defend yourself from other people.  To me, your comments smack of someone who trawls the internet looking for relationship articles so you can then howl about the awfulness of Western women.

      But hey, whatever floats your boat.

      Again, congratulations and good luck in your relationship

    • Sam says:

      02:24pm | 15/01/10

      @yas, thanks for the advice but I really don’t want to come across as “lovable” in all scenarios. I like coming across as insane. It’s a weakness to be completely transparent. If you can’t be loved and feared, it is better to be feared… however in my case it’s “if I can’t be appreciated for who I really am, I won’t ever let you figure out what I really am.” Sounds insane doesn’t it? Certifiable even.

      It really is a lovely day outside.

    • Bec says:

      02:29pm | 15/01/10

      Oh Sam, I love you.

      You describe yourself as a humanitarian yet you hate slightly more than 50% of the world’s population.

      You call yourself kind and decent, and yet you tell me I’m not even human and should degrade myself by sucking on that little grape-sized appendage from which you derive 90% of your self esteem.


      You say you’re a catch, but you disgust any living female (and likely plenty of dudes) within 1500km of you.

      You say you’re intelligent, but you only associate with morons.

      If staying in my coccoon isolates me from your congenital idiocy, then I’m happy to stay in my workplace… And family… And sporting teams… And businesses I frequent… And university lectures…

    • adam macleod says:

      02:37pm | 15/01/10

      There may be a billion of them but the chinese are doing everything possible to prevent population growth…...

      Single child policy, not enough women to go around, and the women that are there don’t really dig the chinese men anyway! 

      They’re doing the environment a huge favour.

    • Peter says:

      02:51pm | 15/01/10

      @Sam You were doing fine until you mentioned your mother (thinks opening scene of Bladerunner). These are some of the best comments from both sides of the fence in this comments section.

      I blame Germaine Greer for all of the worlds problems. Modern feminism sold women a lie- you can have your career and babies and all the consumer goods you want, only you can’t for most of us. Equality does not mean that Hubby will look after baby and cook dinner and do dishes and maintenece around the house and footrubs and washing etc etc after a long days work while you kick back and hoe into the chocolates while Dr Phil and Oprah determine how you should live your life.

      That many women do not see the self centredness of the above proposition is perhaps why they are still single. There is very little in the equation for men.

      For all you lonely women I read somewhere about a lot of single Chinese lads.

      And as an earlier poster said- stop reading Jane Austen FFS. And Colin Firth is happily married.

    • C says:

      03:12pm | 15/01/10

      Sam I am an ABC - Australian Born Chinese - Both parents chinese and settled here just after world war 2 and I was born here. All I can say to you is a pre-nup is a necessity when bringing a wife from China and I hope you spent the money on a chinese translation at a lawyers office. Most view a life in Australia a better life than in China. The pre-nup is the only way to tell what is really going on in your wifes head. This happened to my brother recently - found a girl and got all the way to the lawyers office with the pre-nup only to find out that she really didn’t like him and the proposed marriage was off. Sam really all the best and I hope your situation is the real deal.

    • Mattj says:

      03:21pm | 15/01/10

      @Champ

      Spot on.  I travel to HKG/China quite often for work (I’m off on again on Sunday) and it bemuses me every time to see the very same ex pat ‘Sam’s’ spouting the very same rhetoric to all and sundry, under the God banner or otherwise, while I’m there.  Fat, greasy, gluttonous loudmouths who treat the local girls terribly.  I always find it quite funny that while they feel they are ‘men being manly’, the girls are quietly extracting every penny from them.  Bravo I say.

      People are people.  Scratch the surface and you tend to find that out.  Frankly I enjoy having an equal as a partner…someone who keeps me on my toes, lifts me up when I’m down and looks at me like no other.  The nationality of my partner is neither here nor there.

    • Sam says:

      03:25pm | 15/01/10

      @J, what can I say, it’s Friday and I’m in love. I maintain I’m only defending myself against other people’s criticisms. So perhaps the question should be put to them “Why do they care what I think?”. I’ll tell you why, it’s because they have a need to be part of the majority and don’t like overt opposing views. That’s right, westerners who are pro freedom of speech are more afraid of it than anybody else, especially when it just so happens that some statistics are beginning to show the consequences of what they all thought was a good idea. Their lonely with dry ovaries and they don’t think it’s fair. They’re the ones who are crying now. The more they are ridiculed for their populist attitudes the sooner we can reverse the widespread demise of our society, because unfortunately their opinions are contagious and they have real effects on innocent teenagers who deserve a society that protects them rather than leaves everyone to fend for themselves in a concrete jungle. Feminism is a disease in our society and it has gone way too far already. Thank you for your rational demeanour.

      @I_Exist, a little more to the left please. BTW, I had my fair share of Aussie vag but like I said they’ve got commitment issues when they’re in their early 20’s and I don’t want late 20’s aussie vag cos that kind of stinks a bit, you know what I mean. It’s rather mouldy by that stage I would say. Oh and before I forget “your mother is a she-male”. Wanna keep going oh-so-intelligent-atheist ? Just because I use the word “God” doesn’t mean I think of God as an imaginary friend, and nobody is dumb enough to categorically deny the existence of God, unless you’re volunteering to go where no man has gone before, but if you like Aussie women in their late 20’s I wouldn’t think you’re that kind of guy. Cheers buddy.

      @Bec, I love you too for your fighting spirit, but I don’t hate people, I just don’t like it when they think they can judge me. Tell me whether I’m attractive or not, repulsive or not, decent or not. I would like to extend my invitation to suck my right one to anyone who thinks they are qualified to judge me. I’m not available for you to judge whether I’m good enough or not. I have removed myself from that context, so please judge somebody else because I could be a mass-murderer and I still wouldn’t recognise your opinions of me (even though you may be accurate). Don’t presume to be standing on higher ground than me. SO when you first said “gross” I should have told you to suck it there and then, but I entertained you, I humoured you… you should consider it as a mark of my generosity that I even tolerated your initial attack on my opinion (my free speech). If my opinion is going to be attacked, then yours hasn’t a chance in hell (at least mine is supported by statistics, not a brown-nosed workplace fairytale).

      Grapes are tasty and good for a hot summer’s day, don’t you think? Remember me whenever you’re eating grapes in the future. I’m the man who told you that you’re not a man, regardless how empowered you may feel. It’s not a bad thing, you’ll be at peace when you stop trying to be one and accept reality. BTW - best wishes with everything, not everybody is born with 3 eyes, but you seem to be doing fine with just 2. Have a good one love, no hard feelings.

    • bellezyx says:

      10:50am | 22/01/10

      *lol* late 20’s vag?!!!  But you got yourself a nice ‘fresh’ wife?  That is hysterical.

    • Rover says:

      04:07pm | 15/01/10

      Sam, give it a rest. You’ve had more farewells than John Farnham this afternoon.
      Now you are just getting dull yet creepy.

    • Bec says:

      04:12pm | 15/01/10

      Sam, I wouldn’t call myself a man. I wouldn’t call you one either, because I feel that’s a term that should be reserved for those who have reached mental maturity.

      Enjoy your life. Maybe, after you’ve shot up a shopping centre, you can share a cell at Long Bay with Eric. Us feminists will take your misses out for a nice chicken schnitzel at the Rooty Hill RSL. It will be a hoot. Shame you won’t be there.

    • Sam says:

      04:23pm | 15/01/10

      @C, to start off with I was dirt poor when I met her, but I’m handsome and her parents love me because I learned some Chinese and lived with them for more than a year in China, and she can’t live without my cooking (she loves it). When we met while I was teaching English in China, she cancelled an engagement with a rich fat older guy from Beijing (arranged marriage). Now she’s got the PR and she could leave me any day if she wants, but she really can’t imagine her life without me and she’s amazed at how lost Australian youth seem to be. She really loves our life here and I’ve been bringing home enough bacon since we got married that she simply believes in my ability to provide. If I fail to provide then I get fired, that’s an understanding that we have, no bullshit for better or for worse commitment. As long as I play the part of a responsible husband, she’ll be the responsible wife, if I fail, it’s over. Nobody wants to endure a hopeless ordeal. Many much richer men have tried to tempt her away from me, but she just won’t go… I don’t think I can get rid of her if I wanted to. No seriously, we are in love. I know it’s unpredictable, but there are no guarantees in these kind of things, so you just try to deal in good faith and do the best you can. If she leaves me, I’ll be reborn again as a handsome richer man (my power will never diminish except through ill health). I’m truly a lucky guy, I don’t have millions to protect with a prenup (not yet anyway).

      @Mattj, my wife is my equal partner, I’m not one of those opportunistic animals. If anything I’m my wife’s willing servant, and I like it that way, it means my life has a purpose.

    • BT says:

      04:33pm | 15/01/10

      @C & Champ, you both expressed my sentiments perfectly.

    • Sam Chowder says:

      05:50pm | 15/01/10

      “Chinese Girls with guns” photos are slightly different from the “American girls with guns photos”

    • Trent says:

      07:55pm | 15/01/10

      @ Bec: You rock power to the people. Makes sense that the nice girls are busy doing more with their time than trawling bars.

      @ Sam: dude your confused wife shopping is a contradiction in terms.

    • Trent says:

      07:56pm | 15/01/10

      @ Bec: You rock power to the people. Makes sense that the nice girls are busy doing more with their time than trawling bars.

      @ Sam: dude your confused wife shopping is a contradiction in terms.

    • Stuart says:

      07:55pm | 15/01/10

      @Sam
      Wow, the stench of your hypocrisy is overwhelming! So fair enough that you “want fresh” and don’t want to marry “someone who’s already slept with 10 guys before she met you”, but if that was the case wouldn’t it be more consistent to remain fairly chaste yourself, rather than bragging about your “fair share of Aussie vag”? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, so why should any prospective partner be pure when you yourself are not?

      Your rants reek of a desparate virgin hunter with no self esteem, “hunting” for a pure girl that you can “conquer” and deflower. I don’t suppose you’ve received a great deal of positive feedback regarding your prowess between the sheets in the past, so I can see how chasing “pure” girls who wouldn’t know the difference between a good and bad shag would be an attractive option for you.

      I can understand fully why the Australian girls in their 20s appear to have commitment issues to you. They are young women with their whole lives ahead of them. They want to live their lives. They don’t want to get trapped and conquered by some pompous, chauvinistic twat like yourself and find themselves stuck in the kitchen for the rest of their unhappy lives. It is not a crime for a woman to have free-will and independence. I have noticed that you seem to have some deep Mummy issues, but the reason you have her on such a pedestal is that she’s from another era, where many women were meek and deferential. Luckily for Australian women, you’ve gone to China to find yourself a woman just like this, and good for you. I’m sure you’ll be very happy steering well clear of all those independent Australian women out there, and I’m sure they’ll be even happier.

    • Lisa says:

      09:13pm | 15/01/10

      What’s with all the women bashing? And I’d like to complain about the nasty references to female genitals! Good girls who go on to become good women and work hard - and, this is the important bit: do not bend to the wills and desires of a man - will not marry. Because men marry a woman who complies with their wishes, and their own lifestyle. Men can be very selfish. They do not like to do the low status or unpaid work, and if they do end up holding the baby, most of them resent it. Although some do not, several of my friends are fabulous home-dads and partners. Hats off to those who love enough to embark on the fabulous adventure of marriage together! With 40 per cent of WA children now born to the unwed, it seems planning is no longer on the adjenda when it comes to romantic love. No wonder some of the most best girls get p****ed off, and cagey. Overseas girls need a plan, don’t they Sam? And then they come along nicely.

    • PauL says:

      07:37am | 16/01/10

      I have to wonder at the accuracy of this article. Not so long ago China’s draconian dictates re population had so many baby girls killed while their male counterparts survived. I read an article somewhere not than long ago that had so many single men abound in China that would never get married because of a lack of females etc etc . Maybe the Female’s of Chinese are becoming westernized and thus way to fussy

    • bec says:

      08:36am | 16/01/10

      Well, to be fair, we do go to fine licensed establishments - particularly those whose names end with “bowls club” or “RSL”. Sometimes a girl needs a good trivia night or flutter on the pokies. If there are vodka promotions or if the place is known to have professional footballers regularly, we gtfo quickly.

    • Marion Simpson says:

      10:24am | 16/01/10

      Unless your totally undesirable with warts and 3 eyes , all women have a choice. Some choose marriage and family, others choose career. My hats offf to the career girls if thats the choice they want and I commend those who choose marriage and or family. Treating women with respect will get you a long long way with any woman, be in work or on the romantic front. I doubt those Chinese girls are as desperate as portrayed. Some women simply don’t want to wash a mans dirty sox and undies for the rest of their lives, they are happy as they are

    • Rover says:

      02:43pm | 16/01/10

      Sam, what you’ve described isn’t a marriage, it’s a LEASE.
      If there’s no “for better or for worse”, it’s not love.
      And you have a very unhealthy obsession with both genitalia and money. If your mother and your sisters are half the women you say they are, they must be appalled at the complete lack of respect you have for the vast majority of females in the world and the filthy way you talk about them. Smelly vag, dried up ovaries - you are a total dropkick and I suspect your entire posts are fantasy.
      If not, enjoy your smug little rental arrangement while it lasts. If you already have an agreement that the marriage is over if you stop earning, there’s a very good chance that your wife actually can “imagine her life without me”.
      The rest of us can!

    • bigbill says:

      03:04pm | 16/01/10

      Sam,

      Nobody is having a go at you because you are ugly, pathetic, fat, old or whatever. These are just coarse insults that some like to throw at the likes of your good self. The truth is that you are rubbing people up the wrong way because you are egotistical and smug. These are not attractive qualities in anyone.  I hope that your wife sees beyond that and that you live happily ever after.

    • xiaoecho says:

      03:14pm | 16/01/10

      Thank you Marion. It simply does not occur to some men that some women do not want to be a mans helpmeet, subsume their identity into his, maintain a clean home for him and raise his children.

    • formersnag says:

      03:24pm | 16/01/10

      All over the world for the last 40 years or so women have been using femanism to make themselves as ugly & unattractive as possible. Then laying awake at night wondering why they can’t find a man.

      Femanism is failure training for women. A “how to manual”, for being unfeminine & third rate, at being a girlfriend, wife, mother, etc. Not only has femanism raised women’s own, expectations to a point, way above what is realistic, so that women can’t see the “wood for all the trees, around them”.

      They have simultaneously made themselves ugly as well. You can’t ALL, be married to a Hollywood movie star, like “Brad Pitt” or a rich computer geek, like “Bill Gates”. More importantly why do you delude yourselves into thinking an attractive, alpha, male will fall head over heels in love with a spoiled, suburban princess like “Kath or Kim”?

      i am not scared of modern, allegedly intelligent women. i simultaneously feel sorry for them & am disgusted by them. i & no other male i have spoken to is interested in a lazy, deadbeat, who will neglect & abuse our children while we are at work.

    • Sam says:

      04:47pm | 16/01/10

      No wonder marriage seems so unattractive to some of you if you think you’re gonna end up either stuck in the kitchen or washing dirty socks and undies! I thought this was the 21st century but I guess there are still alot of men stuck in the 19th century as far as doing their fair share of the housework. I’m sorry if you’ve concluded that my conservative views towards marriage translate to being a total bum around the house and somehow that I’ve done the girls of Australia a favour by not getting hitched with someone from here, I don’t see it that way. I just didn’t appreciate having my plans delayed, so I accepted that I’d gotten older (because I couldn’t change that) but I didn’t have to accept that I was relegated to marrying someone who had aged similarly just because I was forced to wait for their attitudes towards marriage to come around (so I did something about that because I could). So from my perspective, I was able to compensate for the lost time, that’s all I’m saying.

      I’d like to appologise for some my earlier language. The whole point of my original post was to highlight that feminism swallowed the youth of many women and consequently many men, but I found hope in another land and I wanted to tell everyone that it’s not all doom and gloom if you find yourself faced with same problem (wanting something that isn’t popular here), you just have to expand your horizons. There’s no good reason for the men of Australia to limit themselves to local gals only, and local gals should realise that they’re operating in an international market. Good hunting everyone.

    • Sam says:

      06:09pm | 16/01/10

      @Rover, don’t blame me for contemporary Australian slang, I didn’t invent it. I can’t be bothered being the gentleman with everyone. A little shock is what’s needed sometimes. I’m not the one who casts doubt over refugees’ agendas by calling them “boat people” and “queue jumpers” and “illegal immigrants”. I’m not the one who isn’t questioning the effectiveness of the Northern Territory’s intervention program because that story wouldn’t rate unless a couple before election time. I’m not the one who fails to put pressure on our government to stop prolonging conditions that eventuate in the mass murders in Iraq and Afghanistan (1.5 million dead so far). I’m not the one who is in denial about the racist undertones in several incidents regarding the Indian community. I’m not the one who fails to promote any healthy role models in our society.

      Blame it all on your dropkick independent media who’ll describe anything in any light and you’ll swallow it along with the majority, but you can’t handle my description because I didn’t sanitise it or run it by my PC-legal department first. Why is it Ok for the media and government to apply their spin but I have to be rational and fair to both sides? Why hold me to standards that frankly don’t exist in this day and age and especially on this medium. I thought Australians liked to hear it how it is, apparently not all.

    • rosik says:

      08:40pm | 16/01/10

      oh, I must say , this is the best ever debate I have ever read in the Internet.Sam u truly spoke on behalf of lot of us.

    • Daniel says:

      03:07am | 17/01/10

      I have just spent heaps of time working offshore in China Taiwan and Thailand. Actually writing this email from Taiwan.I am an Australian and also have had my fair share of experience with women of all races dated Aussie, English, Polish, Chinese, Korean, Italian, Japanese,  Met most of my x girlfriends in the real world and also dabbled a bit in the online dating scene. I am considered to be good looking by women, have heaps of net worth have a very secure job etc. All in all, I have found women to be the same across all countries and races. I have met and dated nasty women from all countries. It depends on the girls upbringing and personality. Australia is full of great women, as is every other country. You just have to find them.
      I do agree that some women left on the dating scene have unrealistic expectations. I have dated them, and can see that they have been influenced by the ‘Sex in the City’ mentality.  I ran into heaps of this type, with Internet dating. It can jade your opinion, however, I also have met many women who are not like this.  Sam, I think you have been rejected in the past by good looking girls looking for the same.  These women can be bitchy, but its the same in all countries. In fact, even in Thailand, the great looking women, discriminate even more (stuck up).  I’m glad you found your princess.  In reality she is probably with you more for fiancial security, and she is probably more than you could have secured in the WEST where women are more independant, mentally and fiancially.  I do agree with everything you have said,and in my travels have seen many men find women who I simply cannot believe they are with (ie back home the guys woudl have had no hope).  To be honest the temptation is always there to go down this path, but in my opinion when you scratch below the surface most women and men are the same regardless of race colour or creed. If a really hot woman is with an average joe, there are usually other reasons they are with the guy, ie money, and this type of exchange in a relationship can work, but like all other arrangements, it has its own risks.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:41am | 17/01/10

      Best thread I’ve read in a long, long time, loved it.
      Sam, you’ve missed your vacation, you are needed at Hillsong.

    • Shama says:

      09:07am | 17/01/10

      Sam is of course playing an elaborate sustained joke on us but he may like to remember the words of another Aussie man on a blog that featured pretty much the same topic a few months back.  Namely, Asian women seem soft, sweet and compliant but can often be quite steely inside; Western women - often the reverse.

      Its stereotyping to think that Asian women are “better” and “nicer”, it just plays into an awful Oriental woman fantasy.  Incidentally the biases on mixed marriages work both ways - in Asia too if a person marries a foreigner, its thought they couldn’t “get” someone local (personally I think these things are individual and can’t be generalised).

    • bec says:

      10:35am | 17/01/10

      I don’t use “femanism” to make myself unattractive. Where can I purchase it? Is it domestically produced? I do so like to support Australian-made.

      (Srsly, is there some sort of internet law that prevents basement-dwelling cretins with parents who are cousins from spelling the word correctly?)

    • Sam says:

      07:37am | 18/01/10

      @Bec, isn’t it the last resort of a blogger when they appoint themselves to the much sought-after position of “human spell-checker”?

      @Daniel, it wouldn’t bother me as much if I was rejected by the pretty ones, but I was rejected by the uglies!!! (must be a personality clash - with me - unbelievable isn’t it)

      @Shama, I can assure you my wife is as independent minded as they come, but thankfully for me she isn’t reckless in her independence and she recognises that having a husband means she can achieve more with her life, not less.

      @John A Neve and @rosik, glad you enjoyed it. I would like to get some work done today, so I can’t promise to stick around (although I am addicted to pressing F5)

    • Rover says:

      08:35am | 18/01/10

      Actually Sam, the last resort of a blogger is a pompous, totally off-topic post like the following:
      “I’m not the one who casts doubt over refugees’ agendas by calling them “boat people” and “queue jumpers” and “illegal immigrants”. I’m not the one who isn’t questioning the effectiveness of the Northern Territory’s intervention program” blah blah blah.

      No Sam, no-one accused you of any of that. You were accused of being disrespectful to women by making gratuitous, juvenile, coarse and unfunny remarks about their genitalia.
      Your inability to present a coherent argument means you are, and always will remain, a dropkick of the lowest order.

    • Sam says:

      09:09am | 18/01/10

      @Rover, well I think the mass media’s role in all of this is quite relevant, and if you can’t stomach the Australianisms, well that’s just unAustralian.

    • Tim says:

      10:04am | 18/01/10

      Bec,
      You should know better.

      Isn’t it obvious that you can’t have feminism(femanism) without the “man” for you to rail at?

    • J says:

      10:50am | 18/01/10

      @Rover - nicely said. 

      @Sam, you only had to defend yourself because you began the debate with a provocative, ill-thought out statement.  You seem to not be terribly introspective, choosing instead to point the finger and play the victim instead of analysing how your actions might have contributed to a situation.  You’re not on school holidays by any chance, are you?

      And gratuitous name-calling is not an “Australianism”.  You can’t blame mass-media or Aussie culture for the fact that you are incredibly rude.

    • Rover says:

      11:01am | 18/01/10

      Great. A lecture in unAustralianism from someone who has to leave the country to buy a wife.

    • Bec says:

      11:34am | 18/01/10

      Tim, I find it consistently interesting that people call feminists man-haters. Funnily enough, feminism and its gains for me mean that I can support my dad when he retires for the effort and money spent raising me and cultivating my talents and interests. Or support my fiancé financially if he wants to take time off to study or raise our kids. You don’t get a better deal than that!

      You could fairly call me a manhater if I said anything about the entire male sex that resembles what Sam has said about the entire female sex. In absence of this I will rail against the stupidity of individuals like him. And you.

    • Sam says:

      12:22pm | 18/01/10

      @Rover, I didn’t buy her, as I mentioned earlier I was dirt poor at the time… and having grown up and lived in Australia for the vast majority of my life I am just as qualified as anybody else on what is and isn’t “unAustralian”.

      @J, 2 points.
      #1 being vulgar is normal and I would argue that it is considered endearing and a mark of honesty in Australia. You’re barking up the wrong tree on that one.
      #2 you’re either losing track or intentionally disregarding the chronology of events in this thread. There was nothing that rude in my first post. I was being smug about how feminism (I prefer to spell it that way now) has backfired on some women and how I managed to overcome its effect on my life by broadening my horizons. I insist it is a happy story, with a message of hope for all genuinely monogamous men who feel let down by the opposite gender’s commitment phobia (when in their early twenties) and unrealistic expectations (there’s only one Brad Pitt and not every gal can compare to Angelina Jolie or Jennifer Aniston). Suffice to say it is clear that my happiness has rubbed some people the wrong way, so they attacked and I counter-attacked (from that point on, the gloves are off).

      Anyway, why can’t some of you just let me post my comment and you post yours without refering to my “opinion”. Am I obligated to write in a way that you like. Am I obligated to not hurt anyone’s feelings even if that’s not my primary concern when expressing myself (again, that’s purely an Australian thing). Build a bridge people, the sun is shining and men don’t have to be victims of feminism. I’m not a victim anymore because I took ownership of my world view, with my own eyes, not yours. I couldn’t be more introspective, but I can only see an angelic creature who deserved a lot better a lot sooner. Yeah, you could say I have entitlement issues, boo hoo, sue me. It’s my opinion, as if you care anyway… grin

    • J says:

      12:59pm | 18/01/10

      @Sam - I did not say your first post was rude.  I said it was provocative.  Please keep track of what *I* say.  You made a blanket statement about Western women and it’s no surprise that you ruffled a few feathers.  I’m sure quite a lot of those women could ake equally blanket statements about Western men ( made easier when there’s an example right in front of them).

      No one attacked you.  They disagreed with you.  Do you view everyone who disagrees with you as an “attacker”?  Do you bully and intimidate those in your life to agree with you no matter what?  Is it infuriating that you can’t do that here?

      You have the right to voice your opinion.  Others have the right to disagree with it.  If you can’t handle the heat - get out of the kitchen.

      On second thought, don’t go.  You’re so damn hilarious I might just expel a lung…

    • Bec Fan says:

      01:21pm | 18/01/10

      @J - well said. Sam is tragically funny.

    • Tim says:

      01:36pm | 18/01/10

      Hilarious Bec,
      i’m still trying to find the part of my comment where i labelled you a man hater? And can you point me to the stupidity in my comments that enabled you to compare me to Sam?
      In fact, the only thing I probably have in common with Sam is my gender. Maybe you can take something from that?

    • Sam says:

      01:57pm | 18/01/10

      @J, good to see we’re all having fun here. I know you didn’t say that my *first* post was rude, but you did say that I was incredibly rude. So I was pointing out that at least I wasn’t rude from the begining unlike Rover and Bec who were rude in a personal way from their first post. Rover tried to portray me as “shopping” for my wife whereas I’d used “hunting”. He also assumed that I was unattractive and still can’t accept that I could possibly be happy, instead trying to paint me as bitter (which I have no time for, I’m too busy being smug and egotistical - and happy - remember). Bec’s first post was even worse going straight for the jugular implying that I must be gay and she’d have to really ignore my deficiencies as a man to see anything worthwhile in me (if she was so lucky).

      @J, again, you’ve totally ignored the chronology of the posts in this thread.
      #1. I announced my “solution” in an insensitive but general post.
      #2. I am attacked for my insensitivity and the failure to include exclusion clauses along with my generalisations.
      #3. I defend my generalisations (which I maintain are accurate enough to warrant their use) and my insensitivity (which can’t even compare to others personally implying I’m gay or unattractive).

      Go ahead bust a lung, but I’ve been laughing since Friday morning. Had a lovely weekend with my wife by the way. Love that Tom Cruise in a Maxi dress look, it conveys just enough interest in maternity, but not too much so as to get outcompeted by the younger chicks in minis. I hope you haven’t left it too late honey. Seriously, who’s laughing now?

    • Rover says:

      02:04pm | 18/01/10

      @Sam - I never said you were bitter. Smug, offensive and a dropkick - yes. But bitter - no.
      I just don’t like the way you talk about women.

    • J says:

      02:11pm | 18/01/10

      @Sam - the need to make vulgar comments to other posters because you lack something intelligent to say makes you rude.  I’m not saying other people haven’t been rude to you - but we’re not talking about them, are we?

      Re: the “maxi-dress, Tom Cruise-sunglass wearing” reference (of which you have an unhealthy obsession, btw), are you projecting that onto me?  What part of my posts have cultivated that assumption?  Or for that matter, whether I’m a woman?  Whether I’m single?

      Assumption is the mother of all screwups, Sam… you on the other hand, have left little to the imagination.

    • Sam says:

      02:56pm | 18/01/10

      @J, if assumptions are the mother of all screwups then why would anyone assume they can be rude to me without copping a bit back. What goes around comes around, right. So, once upon a time I was rejected, now I do the rejecting and I’m enjoying it. People with no foresight will always complain about the “reaction” and totally forget their “actions” that brought it about in the first place. Thankfully, what some refer to as karma isn’t as selective as your interest in other internet posters. You started by telling me that I sounded like someone who trawls the internet for relationship articles only to bag western women, well now you sound like someone who trawls through the internet looking to teach blogging etiquette. Shama will tell you, that’s a lost cause, and I’ll tell you that people are entitled to be inaccurate in the media. I didn’t set the standards - I’m just a mirror - I reflect it all back onto everyone else - and I’m not interested in being a nice guy.

    • Nathan H says:

      03:45pm | 18/01/10

      This isn’t a chinese phenomenon. Look around your office, it’s full of women who think highly of themselves and the feminist ideal of a strong, powerful woman, yet still want a stronger, more powerful man. Thanks Germaine.

    • Meh says:

      04:11pm | 18/01/10

      @Champ - You’re mostly right about the weedy men who head O/S trying to score some chick from an empoverished background. They give all Australians a bad name. However, Sam’s not exactly wrong. Aus does have an awful lot of fat slappers with bad attitudes. I just got back from Japan & HK on my honeymoon and even my wife agrees with me. We saw almost no plumpers and they were all polite, not like the innumerable loudmouthed tarts that we’ve had to argue with since coming home. FYI girls, “Zero to Bitch in 0.5 Seconds” is not a positive personality trait.

    • Andy says:

      08:39am | 19/01/10

      I agree with Meh. “Zero to Bitch in 0.5 seconds” is not a positive personality trait. Unfortunately, it seems to be widespread these days, probably as a result of the feminazi movement (as distinct from the feminist movement that got women the vote) where all they had to do was yell “chauvinist!” and that is the end of the bloke. In an age where it is OK to have female only gyms, but is the height of sin to have gentlemen only clubs, something had to give. That something is the traditional attractiveness of females. Of course, the new age girls would probably spit at anything even remotely resembling traditional in their hurry to rewrite themselves. Unfortunately, if also means that more and more of them are turning into beings that few men would want as a permanent partner: the promiscuous older woman on the prowl for younger men (i.e., the cougar). Did you think the sudden rash of cougar this, cougar that is an isolated thing where all women of a certain age suddenl got it into their heads to just look for younger men? Of course not! It is the logical ultimate “women are more equal to men” expression that rides the feminazi movement: becoming James Bond.

      I don’t know about the next guy, but cougars, “zeroes to bitches in 0.5 seconds” and the like is not attractive. You might be good for a one night fling or two, but as a wife? Forget it.

    • Shama says:

      09:23am | 19/01/10

      @Andy it would be very nice if men looked at cougars and thought that is not attractive and applied the same standards to men. But that never happens - men and sexual escapades are seen as “natural” and we get endless silly theories on nature and genetics and evolution from some highly suburbanised folks who can’t say boo to a tiger whenever it’s a man who is involved.  And why have a “fling” at all with a cougar if their behaviour is inappropriate?  Simply because they are available? That seems sadly amoral to me-if you are doing so you are buying into the very culture you bemoan.

      Let me assure you that from the female side of the fence   male philandering is equally unattractive, whether it be a 20 year old out on the town or a 60 year old dating a younger woman - and it has a longer history in literature and film than cougars.  James Bond might sell tickets but he is a mighty unpleasant soul.

      I am still waiting for a post where men who decry immorality in women apply the same moral code for men to adhere to instead of finding excuses and reasons - and boasting - re why men sleep around.

    • Freddo says:

      10:27am | 19/01/10

      Simply Shama,
      Men and Women are different. Therefore we will naturally apply a different moral code to the different sexes.
      Think of it this way wrt sex:
      If an average looking woman asks 10 average looking men on the street to have sex with her, she would probably get 9-10 positive responses.
      Reverse the situation and a guy asking the question might get 1 positive response.
      It is much harder for a man to have sex than it is for a woman, so when the man does have sex he has actually achieved something whereas the woman has not. Simple supply and demand
      Women have the power to control the supply of sex if they wish, so a woman who gives that away cheaply might be labelled.
      You may see this as Men’s fault but usually the harshest critics of women are other women.

    • Shama says:

      10:52am | 19/01/10

      Freddo you seem to have come along simply to reinforce what was said in my post including that old furphy of women criticising women. 

      What I want to say is those 9-10 men are sluts for saying yes.  Because that is the term that would normally be applied to ten women who lined up to have sex with a man.  Not to speak of the sole woman soliciting sex from ten men who is damned with the same term or worse. In short whichever way a woman has sex, apart from the marital bed, she is a slut.  Whichever way a man does it, there will be an apologist like you.

      Also morality is not dependent on biology.  Like I said James Bond remains amoral no matter what gender explanations are provided.

    • Andy says:

      11:23am | 19/01/10

      Shama, I have 2 words for you: Tiger. Woods.

      It was a MAN who took down his website dedicated to Tiger. It was a MAN who disbanded his church dedicated to Tiger. All because of his philandering. You refuse to take this into account… why?

      I won’t even go into the rest of your post because it is drivel, false assumptions and pure hyperbolic hysteria.

    • Freddo says:

      11:35am | 19/01/10

      Pfft Shama,
      “the old furphy of women criticising women”. I think you would find many people, men and women, who would completely agree that women are far more critical of other women than men are.
      I gave you good reasons “why” people will look at men and women’s actions differently but If you don’t want to believe me or don’t agree with me then that’s up to you.
      You are making the simple mistake of assuming that men and women are the same when we are not.

    • Sam says:

      12:55pm | 19/01/10

      @Shama, you’ve gone too far mate, criticising 007, that’s just too much for me to bear. After spending a few years in a dangerous career that makes it so hard to maintain a stable relationship, he fell in love and decided to marry and throw caution to the wind, but she was killed by one of his enemies on the day they married, and since then he simply couldn’t bring himself to risk the death of another one of his loves. He was never a two-timing sob for the sake of getting some, he usually had one that he had feelings for and another who he had to “do” for the sake of his mission for mother England.

      Feminists and feminist sympathisers simply don’t like 007 because he’s so smooth he seems smug, so cool he seems corny. Nothing amoral about 007. “M” understands, and it’s all for mother England. grin

    • Sam says:

      01:37pm | 19/01/10

      @Freddo, yes we are different from women, but I think the same standard of morality should apply to both. I do agree with Shama’s sentiment that man-sluts aren’t viewed in an equally negative light as their female counterparts. Personally I think monogamy is fantastic, anything else (and there are many permutations these days!) has got “trouble” written all over it.

    • Shama says:

      02:21pm | 19/01/10

      @Sam, your deconstruction of Mr. Bond made me smile.

      Personally I think the man needs to go to China, find a loving wife and retire to enjoy domestic bliss.

    • Awesome says:

      01:27pm | 29/01/10

      @Sam:  Just ignore Bec and her ilk, man.  They can all pound sand.  You need to spread your knowledge to the younger men of Australia.  Follow the example of American talk radio host Tom Leykis, and let them know the truth about feminism.  Already, it seems young Aussie men are catching on and voting with their feet.  Let’s keep spreading the word!

    • Zac says:

      10:23am | 24/12/10

      @ Sam, I have read most of the comments in this blog. I know where you are coming but I have never used such colourful language against women but then again I am not Sam and I haven’t gone through the same experiences you have. The women I am living with is a feminine one, I mean a real women (one that doesn’t talk, act and live like a man) and a wonderful women. I have no time for Feminist women and struggle to respect them. Feminism is a curse on Western society.

      @ Bec, I am not so sure if you socially engage with different people group you claim you do, especially with Church groups. To me you come across as more of a Feminist. Who knows may be I am wrong. But I certainly see a struggle in your thoughts/views.

    • Zac says:

      12:14pm | 24/12/10

      Once I finished reading the comments in the blog I was really surprised to see the NON-PC filter. I have been involved in debates for a while and rarely come across free for all debates. This blog neatly captures the real meaning of this site - PUNCH.

      1. I wish one day Katherine will let us know being a jurno (and that most are lefties & masters of PC), how come PCism hasn’t defined her?

      2. What differentiates her? 

      3. Do you think political correctness will be the ultimate downfall of Western civilisation?

      4. Do you think the comments that are published is depended on a jurno’s or bloggers political, social, religious and Atheistic/darwinian beliefs?

      May be a blog on this is a good idea.

 

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