When it comes to questions of population, ignorance often prevails. The business lobby in Australia, often through its many and varied “independent” centres and institutes, leads the way.

Population growth propoganda specialises in denial. Photo: Cameron Richardson.

Through its complex web of public relations activities, it pushes its population growth propaganda, specialising in denial.

Here are some facts:

It took all of human history to reach one billion people early in the nineteenth century and a mere hundred years to add the next billion. We are now adding a billion every thirteen years and stand just short of seven billion people. 

With this extraordinary growth, thanks largely to the exploitation of finite resources, it’s understandable that some are wilfully ignorant of limits to growth.

They are happy to live the comfortable lie, paying scant attention to peak oil and the depletion of other finite resources, the sprawl-fed loss of arable land, food security, water supply, carbon emissions or climate change.

But living on an arid desert continent with an estimated six per cent arable land, Australians in particular have much at stake as we clamour together on our thin green coastal strip.

If these overarching issues are not food for thought, add into the mix the fact that most of our major economic, environmental and social problems are caused or exacerbated by population growth.

Think: increased business and living costs like rent, energy and water placing upward pressure on inflation and interest rates; loss of recreational parkland, bushland, biodiversity and native wildlife; reduced per capita value of our mineral wealth and exports; diversion of investment into relatively unproductive housing construction and away from vital research and development, manufacturing and export creating industries; surging imports to satisfy a bigger consumer market; collapsing land and marine ecosystems; housing affordability crisis; growing health and obesity implications in polluted and congested cities; suburb planning conflict and loss of heritage; just to name a few.

According to the population deniers though, an ever-increasing population will not be a problem.  Future technology will solve everything.

In other words, their strategy is hope. Population realists also hope for a better future, but since when is hope a strategy?

To be fair, the deniers also like to add a dose of fear mongering into the strategic mix.

Apparently we’re all going to grow old and no-one will support us unless we increase the fertility rate and import more and more young immigrants. Apparently immigrants don’t age. Apparently pyramid schemes are back in vogue.

Deniers refer to “stagnating” nations like Japan and Germany. It’s funny that they never mention successful nations with stable populations. Probably because eight out of the top ten per capita wealth nations have stable populations of under ten million.

According to the recent Australian Survey of Social Attitudes, seven out of ten Australians do not want further population growth, so why are successive federal governments ignoring the will of the people through deliberate policies? What happened to democracy? Striving for a stable population and a sustainable future is what the vast majority of Australians actually want.

In 1994, the Australian Academy of Science held a conference to publicise its population enquiry findings: considering the resource needs of our cities, and Australia’s supply of water, minerals and arable land, 24 million is the safe upper limit at which to stabilise Australia’s population.

This was before peak oil and climate change became real issues. Such eventualities may significantly reduce our ability to grow food to feed Australians, let alone export it to other nations in need.

One hopes that the growth lobby has paid some attention to the water issues in Australia’s most important agriculture region - the Murray Darling Basin.

As Australians see these issues develop and link many major problems back to population growth, the Australian Academy of Science advice looks very, very sound.

So rather than an arbitrary ‘big Australia’ based on guesswork, Australia should aim for an optimum population target in the mid 20 millions, based on the overwhelming evidence.

That way we can plan and manage sustainable economic development, infrastructure needs, essential services, the environment and our quality of life.

If we run permanent immigration at around 50,000 per annum, we would likely achieve zero net migration. This, coupled with a relatively stable birth rate of around two children per woman allows us remain in the optimum population range of around 23-26 million through to 2050, and beyond.

At the same time, we can generate a high per capita return from the exploitation of our mineral resources. This will allow us to maintain our per capita wealth, invest appropriately in education and training and generously assist other countries experiencing population growth problems.

Education for women and family planning should be a focus.

We have the opportunity - and some would say moral obligation - to become global leaders in sustainable population management.

No matter what big business and their well-funded puppets tell us, endless population growth is not inevitable. It’s a choice.

Population realists know that a stable Australia is the sustainable choice.

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    • Fiddlesticks says:

      05:41am | 03/11/10

      “When it comes to questions of population, ignorance often prevails.”

      Oh, indeed.

      Here, in a bid for some sort of prominence,  “the national convenor of the Stable Population Party of Australia”  claims his “is the first party to focus on population “.

      Err, no it isn’t. He is forgetting his politics, both past and present.

      From the Zero Population Growth movement of the 1970s, through the early population policies of the Coulter-era Australian Democrats, through to today,  where the Stop Population Growth Now Party has been active in SA this 6 months past.

      Oh dear. Taken the field about a month and already bringing on the Spinners. Looks like a short memory for this Captain, and a short stay at the crease, too.

      Population growth is one of the two or three most important problems we will face in coming decades. It’s beyond Party politics.

      This fellow needs to get his facts straight, and he should start by getting the his history facts straight. Dill.

    • acotrel says:

      07:21am | 03/11/10

      Times certainly change.  When I was a kid we used to hear the slogan ‘Populate or Perish’! Then there was a government programme to stop calling newcomers ‘migrants’, and use the term ‘new Australians’.  It was really funny however when the southern Europeans objected to their new name! Our population has probably increased by 25% since those days, when we paid the Poms fares to come here.  Doesn’t sound like a very big immigration programme to me!

    • Gregg says:

      10:50am | 03/11/10

      That was about the 50s acotrel when we had new Aussies and worse names such as Balts, Itis, the Wog boys and jokes about garlic and whatever else, a time when our population was starting to nudge towards 10 million and a decade later there was still the cider bar in like a little garden shed at the back of the Berwick pub, about 10 different versions of 10% that would knock you over in short time.

      The Cider bar which should have been heritage listed got knocked over to make room for more people in the pub as the suburbs started their march from Dandenong all the way through to about Pakenham and commuters coming from even further afield to make that SE Freeway one hell of a drive if you live in what sticks are out that way and work in town.

      Those more people are a bit more than double what it was about 1960, so lets call it an 100% increase in 50 years.

    • Jenny Goldie says:

      12:59pm | 03/11/10

      Perhaps William should have said to “focus primarily on the population issue”. Yes, the Australian Democrats had a great policy but they didn’t really ever bring it to the forefront in election campaigns. And in the end they went to water on it, even though the majority of members wanted zero net migration.

    • Russell says:

      06:03am | 03/11/10

      So this is a “moral choice”. But what if we choose to have babies? Are we immoral? What will you do with us? And our “surplus to national requirements” offspring?

      You people scare me.

    • Bill says:

      08:00am | 03/11/10

      What scares me are the people that read things that aren’t there and have knee jerk responses based in ignorance.

      Who says anything about preventing people having children? Unless you’re intending to live forever it is very easy to reach equilibrium in births and deaths. This is where we were heading naturally decades ago, with no mandated birth control. What happened to wreck that was successive governments deliberately pursuing population growth policies for a variety of selfish and short sighted reasons.

    • Gannik says:

      12:22pm | 03/11/10

      Pretty much, yes Russell. If you choose to have children, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Please go to http://childless.com.au/ and have a look.

    • Jenny G says:

      01:04pm | 03/11/10

      I personally think it is personally immoral to willingly have more than two children (replacement for a couple). We are facing multiple crises (climate change, peak oil, biodiversity collapse) and we need 1.5 planets to satisfy us at current levels of consumption. Even then there are nearly a billion people hungry. Some analysts believe the world can only sustain a much lower figure than the cuyrrent 6.8 billion. Maybe they’re wrong, but in the meantime we should not add to the problem by having excessive numbers of children, that is, more than two.

    • Russell says:

      02:18pm | 03/11/10

      Well I have chosen that, Grannik and Jenny.Yes I am the “problem” and so are my children. So what will you do to me, my children and all those of us who have disobeyed the national interest?

      One of my daughter has even made Australia a much worse by having children of her own.

      Tax disincentives, social disapproval and a lifetime of relative poverty I can handle, I already do and I (we) still disobeyed you. Next?

    • DaveinPerth says:

      03:41pm | 03/11/10

      Russell.
      I have read the article and briefly scanned the web page, and I can’t see anything from the author stating a desire for control of fertility in Aus.
      He appears to espouse ;
      a. Removal of tax incentives to encourage poor people to have children.
      b. Reduction to zero NET immigration.
      c. Alignment of Foriegn Aid to the goals of fertility reduction.(In countries that obviously can’t afford to feed the people they already have)

      As far as I can tell, he doesn’t care if you want to go and have 15 kids with 6 different wives. You are one person, and therefore statistically insignificant.  Without perverse incentives, the Aus fertility rate will continue to decrease, like most other affluent and educated societies.

      If you want to try and find some criticism of your life choices, then I’m sure you will find someone to have a go, but I don’t know if the author has stepped up to that plate.

    • Shivo says:

      06:21am | 03/11/10

      At last someone else prepared to put pen to paper re the “biggest moral dilemma of our time”...overpopulation. The need for increasing population to improve performance is a tired line from tired and lazy “Big Business”. Ingenuity and innovation is evident in our SME’s but NOT from the Big 4 banks, nor Coles nor Woolworths.
      It is time for our politicians to engage in discussing/debating this very real issue.

    • Gregg says:

      10:55am | 03/11/10

      Ooooh really says Sammy
      On a postcard from Dharavi, Mumbai!
      They’re into recycling but haven’t yet done to well with the local waterway that could as well be named Cesspool Creek.

    • acotrel says:

      06:50am | 03/11/10

      ‘With this extraordinary growth, thanks largely to the exploitation of finite resources, it’s understandable that some are wilfully ignorant of limits to growth.’

      Population growth in third world countries,  is mainly due to poor education, and culture which encourages development of the nuclear family to support people in their old age. .  This is Australia we’re talking about, where without a problem we could effectively double the size of every country town with few problems.  The person who wrote this article must be a city dweller with poor vision.  If we’re talking about sustainability, to suggest that the Kevin Rudd ambition would be unsustainable is just a joke.  We’re entitled to our own bit of ‘growth’.  Our country has enough free space to fit Europe in twenty times over, and we have the resources to support it!

    • Shivo says:

      07:27am | 03/11/10

      acotrel, where are you living ? Are you on this planet ? Water, Sewerage, Greenspace ? Where would these fit into you 20 times Europe equation ? Where would our food be grown ? We have a government in Qld that wanted to flood fertile farming land so Brisbane could flush their toilets….great thinking….NOT

    • Realistic says:

      09:37am | 03/11/10

      Great point acotrel..Shivo and the author certainly are forgetting that historically no protectionist measures have ever ended well. The solution is to adapting to reality - we can’t stop global population growth - rather than regressing back to long gone delusions of the old days. The attitude from proponents seems to be extremely backward i.e.‘dont let too much growth happen where we are, I want all this land to myself!’

    • Duff says:

      10:05am | 03/11/10

      The ‘finite resources’ argument is a red herring.  According to the CIA Factbook, in 2005 Australia had about 6% arable land.  The average arable land per country around the world is 11.8%.  The USA, which supports a population of over 300m people, has 18% arable land and it is 9.8m square kilometres in size.  Australia is 7.7m square kilometres in size.  This means the US has just under 4 times the amount of arable land that Australia does, yet they support a population that is about 15 times the size of ours.

    • Shivo says:

      10:29am | 03/11/10

      Realistic- look at the big picture…internationally. Japan wants to fish in our waters because it has overfished its own. It’s not protectionism I propose but realism. I’m looking past my nose and am not into political point scoring. This is a whole world problem that can be best started “at home”. The issue of overpopulation is much bigger than global warming.
      Convince me that with a population of 80 million in Australia, people would be spread all over the country !

    • Gregg says:

      11:04am | 03/11/10

      @ acca dacca,
      Has your Kevin007 Tshirt faded like Tors or just completely threadbare for Tors might be willing to offload hers at a price!
      ” This is Australia “, nearly the Qantas song iusn’t it…........” where without a problem….......with few problems. ................must be a city dweller with poor vision “................the Kevin Rudd ambition…...........is nowehere a joke as fitting Europe in twenty times over.

      That’s classical, even for you acotrel!

    • Gregg says:

      11:18am | 03/11/10

      @Shivo,
      You have hit on one point and that is lack of decentralisation and ability of governments at federal/state levels to facilitate it.
      We continue to allow councils/developers to build on some of our richest agricultural country and that is river plains and then no surprises to hear of all those contending with regular flooding.

      Nearly half a century back, Australia was putting the finishing touches to one of our greatest infrastructure projects, the Snowy HE scheme and then we hav kind of lost the plot, no Dams, no nuclear and definitely not too many bright ideas on harvesting water closer to our major population centres or food growing regions.

      Why we continue to accept regular flooding of northern NSW coastal regions when something akin to the Snowy may be able to not just control flooding but have water diverted back across the divide to feed the Murrumbidgee tributaries at least is beyond me.
      There has also been some talk of doing something similar from the Tassie west coast into the inland plains region and Tasmania alone could support the entire current population of Australia.
      Senator Brown will no doubt be enthralled!

      But if governments do want to be smarter about it, there are things that could be done far better.

    • Adam says:

      07:19am | 03/11/10

      So what?
      Humans are like every other animal on the planet and every other species that has ever been on the planet. Each species evolves to a certain point , thrives and then declines to the point of extinction. Our time will come and we won’t be lamented when we are gone. Have what fun you can, breed as much as you want then die. Thats life

    • acotrel says:

      10:54am | 03/11/10

      Shivo, Between Euroa and Broadford on the Hume highway, there is room to fit another Melbourne!  Sewerage is no problem, there are simple engineering answers.  Water, take som from the cotton crops on Cubby Station. Energy - solar panels on every roof and smaller clean coal fired facilities.  Don’t you ever drive out of our capital cities?

    • Gregg says:

      11:26am | 03/11/10

      Water from Cubby to south of Euroa!
      That’s right, run it through the Fibre Optic network!
      You come up with the most classically stupid comments acotrel.

      As for Cubby water not even getting down to the lower darling and into the Murray at Wentworth there’re matters like harvesting/storage from flood times acotrel and that is water that would have been either lost through soakage and evaporation.
      Head up the darling sometime and out on to a plain, put a bucket of water on a patch of ground and see how long it is there for.

      Harvesting/storage at times of flood also has a restricting effect on downstream flooding which is not always so welcome past certain levels.

    • acotrel says:

      07:24am | 03/11/10

      ‘When it comes to questions of population, ignorance often prevails’

      That’s the way to write a convincing article - start with an insult?

    • Dino says:

      08:11am | 03/11/10

      Great article William and I must say I agree with you. This is a global problem, not just an Australian one. Unfortunately, few of the world’s political leaders have the long-term vision to implement policies resulting in lower population growth or sustainable levels. I do agree with commenters above that rural areas in Australia could cope with a larger population but I think the big cities need to reduce sprawl to maintain liveability. How liveable will Melbourne be if it turns into a city like LA with smog, congestion and three hours to get across town. I think Australia should and could follow a wealth without growth economy and joins the ranks of wealthy nations with stable populations.

    • acotrel says:

      10:48am | 03/11/10

      ’ I think Australia should and could follow a wealth without growth economy and joins the ranks of wealthy nations with stable populations. ‘

      What are you talking about - communism?  Capitalism depends on growth.  Or do you have another answer in mind?  Dick Smith got onto this bull a few weeks back.  He’s already a millionaire, made his dough from a growth industry.  So the rest of us should live without ambition or the will to achieve through building our country into something bigger and better?

    • Gregg says:

      12:35pm | 03/11/10

      Back about 1970 Dino, working up on a tenth floor which had a view out over the docklands towards Footscray/Newport you always noticed a significant difference in colour of the sky between a Monday morning and Friday afternoon, Mondays it being clear and by Fridays a low brown tinge haze, most particularly noticeable if it coloured the underside of some low clouds.
      Leaving Camberwell about 7am, I could make West Footscray about an hour later.
      The demise of industry may have lessened the haze efffect, though it may have been balanced by car exhausts but given the expansion in growth of the SE and the traffic density I have seen as early as 7 am way out around Berwick, once getting caught in it a few years back, I’d reckon it might already be close to three hours to go from say Berwick to somwhere like Altona or beyond if you choose the wrong time to leave.
      Fortunately for me, it was from the experiences of the seventies that I decided there were greener pastures.
      Decentralisation has always been the answer and governments are just so slack about it.

    • Black Yoshi says:

      08:43am | 03/11/10

      Did you not understand the “6% arable land”? That chunk is certainly not European sized. And although it’s true we have other resources - minerals, coal etc - they aren’t edible. The fact that money is exchangeable for food at a ‘good’ rate will not be the case when other countries have their own food problems.

      You are correct that rural areas could use growth. That growth should be urban expats and immigrants though, not an increase in population as a whole.

    • Sheedy's Left Foot says:

      09:11am | 03/11/10

      Hmm, food, water and resources is only part of the equation. Without population growth how do you intend to overcome the elephant in the room that is people are living much longer and cost far more to sustain through medical programmes, pensions etc etc.

      Who do you propose does all the work and critically funds the tax base given the smaller birth rates as western nations develop, women choose not to have children and as a result thw working population is much smaller. It is fine to make a glib statement that immigrants also grow old, but what is the solution.

      Glib statement after glib statement about what cannot work without a single solution in sight. Oh right, you are part of a political party.

      Pathetic.

    • Black Yoshi says:

      09:47am | 03/11/10

      That’s only a medium term problem. If the population growth rate stays stable - through a combination of immigration and babies - then when the baby boomers die the population pyramid will change to a rectangle, essentially, with roughly equal numbers of people of all ages. That is a sustainable population type, even if it requires some change from what’s currently normal.

      Basically, we can use growth to fund old people, which has other negative effects, or we can just wait for the demographic bulge to die (admittedly creating medium term fiscal pressure) and then continue on with our stable environmentally friendly population.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:21am | 03/11/10

      Your argument assumes that population growth (including immigration) automatically translates into tax payer jobs. For starters some of that population growth will be dependants who may never work (spouses) or work after a high state investment in maternity wards, child care, primary and secondary education (in other words a 18 to 21 year gap in a return for what is basically a ponzi scheme- each generation pays for the previous generation and hopes like to get their money back from the next generation.) The second assumption is that there will be tax payer jobs for the population growth to fit into. Otherwise all a population growth translates into is mass unemployment, which is not going to pay anyone’s bills. The third assumption is that all sectors are labor intensive. The mining sector from which Australia draws a lot of its wealth, is less labor intensive than say manufacturing and could not accommodate the employment that the population growth may require.

    • Gregg says:

      11:46am | 03/11/10

      @Black Yoshi,
      There’s no mid term problem but just an ongoing situation.
      So the ratio of aged to less aged varies and all that means is aside from what is defined as aged or not perhaps needing to be questioned as it is with raising retirement age, you may find the aged progressively adapt to more self care and volunteers of able older aged.
      Nevertheless, people will just die, through various causes and in various locations.
      Perhaps more youthful people will not live as long with less active lifestyles,  more manufactured foods and obesity to contend with.

      Ageing is always going to be a process to which societies adapt, there being some that do it differently than others and whereas you hear of bodies not being discovered for days, weeks, even months and years in developed countries, it is probably unheard of in more populous communities where multiple generations of families are often living in the one abode.
      It is probably as much a mythical topic as climate change and perhaps the myth promoters may even see some people consider suicide rather than face a coming life of supposed misery.

    • what evs says:

      09:24am | 03/11/10

      Business lobbies believe that if we don’t grow the population we’ll all start getting lazy and might start to eat each other - just like they do in Norway, Switzerland and Austria.

      Mass immigration strengthens the economy - look at Britain and America’s booming economies.

    • acotrel says:

      10:58am | 03/11/10

      ‘Basically, we can use growth to fund old people, which has other negative effects, or we can just wait for the demographic bulge to die (admittedly creating medium term fiscal pressure) and then continue on with our stable environmentally friendly population. ‘

      I’m age 69.  You really make me feel loved and wanted!

    • Gregg says:

      11:52am | 03/11/10

      That would be the Kevin Club you have membership to Acca.
      But whereas there may be some that have feelings for you, be it love or not, wanted is another matter for wanted usually goes with being needed for something.
      A dog is a good friend for they’ll need you, want you and no doubt love you no questions asked and no fights over which channel to watch.

    • mike j says:

      12:51pm | 03/11/10

      Think you replied to the wrong post, acotrel. Eyes fading already?

      Aged 69… precisely the age group responsible for selling off our national assets, opening the door to ‘refugees’ and spending my taxes on procreation incentives to feather its own pensions, destroying the environment for its own profit, running down the world economy from its greed, failing to invest in civil infrastructure, turning this country into some kind of socialist nanny state to conform to its dated morality, and making home ownership unaffordable while simultaneously gouging younger generations for extortionate rents.

      Why would we want you to feel loved and wanted? If it was up to me, I’d lock you all up in a crooked retirement home and throw away the key. Die faster already.

    • Jordan Rastrick says:

      09:39am | 03/11/10

      Yeah, because its moral to make people stay in countries with much higher population pressures and let their environment go to crap, just to keep Australia pristine.

      And its accurate to omit the fact that due to the demographic transition, most experts are predicting population will plateau before the end of this century thanks to the rising wealth and most importantly (female) education in poorer countries.

      And all our economic and social problems are indeed caused by the fact that people consume stuff. When the world population was half of what it was now, everyone was richer!  Except… wait, actually, they were substantially poorer. In fact througout all of history higher total global population correlates with *higher* per capita GDP, *higher* life expenctancy, *lower* infant mortality, *higher* real wages, etc, etc. Now correlation aint causation but anti-correlation is certainly a weird point of departure for a theory about the world.

      Could it be that… gasp… people are producers as well as consumers??

      And yes, oil is finite and we’re running out of it; the price is going to keep going up and we’re going to have to find a substitute. Does William care to name another commodity that exhibits this pattern? Maybe a mineral? Well, actually, the price of essentially every economically significant mineral has fallen consistently throughout human history; we’ve learned better ways to extract them faster than we’ve found new ways to use them, and that’s saying a lot. Food? Oh, same thing. Agriculture in prehistory took up basically all of our time, labour, energy, capital, etc; in the modern world its a fraction of this and still falling. And so on, and so forth.

      And yes, there are some very bad effects on the environment as a result of certain economic activity, like the carbon based energy sector, overfishing, destruction of highly bio-diverse habitats like rainforest, etc. largely, because people are too self-interested to pay a bit extra to have things sustainably, unless they’re forced to. The answer of course is for William Bourke to stay rich and comfortable, and those damn poor people to stay poor and stay out of our country but to stop having all those poor kids that will take a slice of his consumption.

      Because it would be foolish naieve “hope” to look at the massive and ongoing recent advances in electric cars, renewable energy, water purification, polycultural crop growth, improved recycling techniques, etc etc and think that maybe continued technological progress will help alleviate some of our problems, as it has for….. well, 10,000 years, arguably a lot longer, but who’s counting. Because to do our bit for the world, we should “lead” by having zero net migration; its that easy. Every country can adopt this strategy, and all our environmental and social and economic problems will go away! Well, no, they won’t. Well they’ll get better! Actually…. no, they won’t. But we’ll have fewer people! No… there will be MORE people in total. People migrate for economic opporunity - i.e. to escape poverty. Which means they end up more educated, and have fewer children, and their kids have fewer children stll - voluntarily. So letting people economically migrate actually reduces the world population growth rate, while stille leaving everyone free to choose how many kids they have.

      But, we’d be leading, or something.

    • Lurker says:

      11:02am | 03/11/10

      This comment is vastly more intelligent than the original article. Thank you.

    • Gregg says:

      12:21pm | 03/11/10

      Jordan, your comments may in part be true, but and there’re always big Buts:
      . Australia’s immigration policy is not just to keep Australia pristine but recognises that development needs to be managed, ie.
      No point in encouraging huge numbers of immigrants if there is not the employment that can occur.
      Australia had many immigrants post WW2 and that was a time when significant infrastructure projects were started, the Snowy HE scheme and new power stations needed, the country having far greater manufacturing, an industry that has been on the wane for a few decades now for various reasons.
      Life is certainly different now and we are not the saviour for the overpopulated countries, as much as you would like to think it could be so.
      . Certainly, there are many technological developments, some that will help with the environment and others questionably so but new technology is usually seen as good but all those ” bad effects ” never too deeply questioned, all making for very much a complex situation, just as we have in Australia as to how we manage something that we would hope could be more simple and that’s water supplies.

      We can do far better with water harvesting and management of use but that means more Dams for the No Dams political lobby or do we put in more desalination plants and attempt to power them with renewable energy?
      There will be times when wind and solar do not measure up for demand and you need continuous process plants as for desalination to run continuously for sustainable performance, that being part of new technology, so in turn you would need a standby power plant and even with that being coal, the costs just keep mounting, astronomically so if using coal.

      Yes we all consume, we all live and in Australia we subscribe to a political system that is one of the longest surving democratic systems about.
      We may not always get great decisions from politicians for they can be very much interested in their own survival and not even too qualified to know what may be good advice or not but it is all just part of the mix of life we do have here.

    • Jordan Rastrick says:

      01:46pm | 03/11/10

      @Lurker: Thanks! I like to think so.

      @Gregg: You’re right, of course, that there are complexities to the issues. We can’t just allow unlimited immigration with no planning and expect everything to work itself out. We need to invest more in infrastructure, and take policy steps to address issues like housing shortages.

      However with workers in high demand and the downward pressure on employment fuelling inflation expectations (and hence the RBA’s recent decision), in fact now would be an ideal time to be increasing rather than reducing net migration. Migrants don’t just take jobs any more than they just use resources; they they are both consumers and producers within the economy, adding to both supply *and* demand in the labor and other markets.

      See for example this article about a recent study, concerning America but still relevant here:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/business/economy/31view.html

    • SoylentGreen says:

      05:26pm | 03/11/10

      @ Jordan

      Great they can all sell SoylentGreen to each other.

    • Eric Claus says:

      05:58pm | 03/11/10

      At least 5 billion peopleon the earth live at less than one tenth of the Australian living standard. If Australia took 1% that would be 50 million. If we took 50 million migrants, Australia as we know it would be stuffed and there would be absolutely no change to world poverty or world population growth rates. World environmental protection would decrease and we would not feed as many people around the world or have a stable democratic corner of the world that can start being sustainable. The “solution” in the last paragraph is wrong.

      If the world is better off with a lower population, then there is no way to convince the rest of the world to get sustainble if we are actively trying to increase our population. We are saying to the rest of the world, “There are too many of you, but we need more Australians.” That message is a sure loser.

      As far as commodities that are increasing in price how about water, power and land. Have another look at Aluminium, coal, natural gas, gold and silver, as well. I think you must be back in the 1980’s thinking that every mineral keeps going down in price.

      Population growth can’t go on forever. When should it stop? How should it stop. I’d prefer to have a slow down rather than starvation and war. What are the advantages to a big population? The Productivity commission already agreed with 100 other studies showing that the average worker doesn’t get any higher wages with high immigration, he just gets a lousier environment, more congestion and higher home. prices

    • Jonathan says:

      09:43am | 04/11/10

      It’s “moral” to help the people in their countries of origin, not bring them over here where they can then help our environment go to crap.

      So it’s okay to let them keep procreating - we just take some off their hands occasionally to go live in Dandenong? And rermember if they come to Australia they will generally become much greater consumers than they were in their own country.

      Just because the price of minerals might fall (and gold and oil definitely are not falling) doesn’t mean they are becoming less scarce.

      The answer for William Burke (and for me) is to help ourselves before (or at the same time as ) helping other people in other countries.
      So what are you suggesting - how many people do you want to bring to Australia to help? What is the balance point at which Australians are so much worse off because of the dilution of minerals earnings, poor infrastructure and crowded cities, but you have a warm fuzzy feeling because you’ve helped out 0.01% of the Earth’s population live a little better?

      And William Burke would actually be VERY happy to pay more in order to have our way of life be more sustainable - but you know what?? We actually wouldn’t be able to support as many people any more!! Because our new sustainable way of life would be a lot more expensive!! All that recycled water, wind farms and public transport would cost quite a bit! So you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

      “So letting people economically migrate actually reduces the world population growth rate, while stille leaving everyone free to choose how many kids they have”
      Rubbish, unless people become more prosperous and more educated in the countries they have migrated from, the birth rate will not change in those countries at all.
      You need to cut your teeth a little more in the high school debating team a bit more friend. And when you hit thirty, you’ll wonder where all the marvelous inventions are that were supposed to save us all.

    • Sadiq Farris says:

      11:27am | 03/11/10

      Your comment:
      Population growth is inevitable. I
      It is will only stop when the human race is wiped off earth.
      Choice will never stop population growth.
      The Liberal Party , The Catholic Church,the National Party, the Greens, The Labor Party, the Jews,  the astrologers, and The UGL Masonic Lodge or ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE will ever stop population growth from destroying the human race on earth within 1000 years.
      Soory, future generations.

    • stephen says:

      12:14pm | 03/11/10

      Whatabout a Johnny Farnham comeback concert ?

      PS yer can’t make love when yer walkin’.

    • Gregg says:

      12:38pm | 03/11/10

      Come on Stephen, get adventurous and Harvey is a clue!

    • Steph says:

      07:48am | 04/11/10

      I notice Muslims aren’t in that list. Not being racist - PLEASE don’t take this as racism - but their culture encourages them to breed quite enthusiastically. They are spreading and breeding and rooting down in cultures and breeding more. If anything, they should be added to the list of “helpers of population growth”.

    • Gregg says:

      01:14pm | 03/11/10

      Oooh Willy, and you did start so well:
      ” Here are some facts: “
      OK, you have some views and so may others and as is usual it is not surprising that there will be so many different views.
      So then you give
      ” According to the recent Australian Survey of Social Attitudes, seven out of ten Australians do not want further population growth, so why are successive federal governments ignoring the will of the people through deliberate policies? What happened to democracy? “
      But just how big a survey was it?
      Democracy is us having an elected government as good or bad as they may be considered, making good/bad decisions that may sometimes align with parts of what groups with vested interests may have.
      Somewhere along the way I’ve seen someone mention your interests and so that explains a departure from facts to views such as:
      ” If these overarching issues are not food for thought, add into the mix the fact that most of our major economic, environmental and social problems are caused or exacerbated by population growth. “

      Many people, including yourself it would seem lose sight of the fact that as a country relatively isolated with a relatively low population density, in fact quite possibly one of the lowest in a greater part of the country, there are not just always going to be significant funding issues for infrastructure but we have had our industrial base eroded because it is far cheaper to import from low labour cost countries.
      Fortunately, we have resources, infinite! and one of those eggs all in one basket tremlors.
      More reason to have no more people could be said but if population increase was used to rebuild and sustain industries, maybe we would create more baskets rather than a basket case economy.
      What we do need and rarely get from political leaders is some longer term planning and implementation activities that will assist our country rather than just keep up with the Jones as with NBN.

      Technology will certainly not solve all our problems though it may assist with some and worse still will be to be too squeamish about increases, losses and erosions that you refer to for just as life on the planet needs to continue, so does life in Australia and how well we plan and manage will determine ultimate qualities of life.
      Sure there is hope, a hope for good planning as a key to a better future.
      The Murray/Darling current guide debacle is one indication that it is not always going to be easy.
      Looks like Malcom is right ” Life is not meant to be easy “

      “In 1994, the Australian Academy of Science held a conference to publicise its population enquiry findings: “
      That’s a bit ancient ain’t it and have you sought a more recent review and as to the basis for the findings!
      ” So rather than an arbitrary ‘big Australia’ ..... target in the mid 20 millions, based on the overwhelming evidence. “
      And what is the overwhelming evidence Willy?

      ” At the same time, we can generate a high per capita return from the exploitation of our mineral resources “......... and if our income from resources starts to be less!
      ” We have the opportunity - and some would say moral obligation - to become global leaders in sustainable population management. “
      Would we teach the people of Dharavi or learn from them!
      How about we just do some more and better planning

    • Vivienne Ortega says:

      01:45pm | 03/11/10

      When it comes to population growth, ignorance prevails because humans fail to see a problem with their herd size!  Despite our numbers causing climate change and many threats to our planet.  most people find it hard to comprehend that over -population of our species could ever be a problem.  The growth pushers conveniently manipulate our herding instincts, and ply us with population myths to support ongoing growth!  No growth, of anything, can continue on a finite planet with finite resources, unless it is abstract and ideological.

    • Alfred DEakin says:

      10:52pm | 03/11/10

      Of all the people I have heard say “Australia/The World has too many people” - I have never heard one of them who believed they were one of the “too many”.

      The phrase they are looking for is “Too many OTHER people”

    • SoylentGreen says:

      06:20pm | 04/11/10

      Simplistic argument.

      The point is that measures need to be taken to start curbing population GROWTH. That includes limiting immigration as a starting point. Tax disincentives to more than 2 kids, incentives for no kids at all.

      Nothing too draconian about that unless you are a religious looney who thinks they need to out breed other brands or that god will provide a second earth ‘just in time’, since this one is only 6k years old….

      Why should the sane among us that can see the planet ecosystem collapsing around us, put up with the growthist hope mobs who will see us in living hell, just before we go extinct?

    • Beth says:

      11:30pm | 03/11/10

      Put rabbits in a paddock where they have enough food and water to exist for some time and they keep breeding.  Then there is not enough food and water and they all die.  So too is where the human race is heading.  You would think given human intelligence we would have more commonsense.  But no!

      The only reason governments and large business want more people here in Australia is for the mighty $$$$$.  Whereas if they were smart enough we could still be the lucky country.  We import everything including our labour.  No wonder we need more people here to sustain us ... it’s a joke!

      Forget quality of life.  When did you ever have to pay for water and take several hours to go several kilometres!  Something needs to change before it is too late.

    • Dallas Beaufort says:

      06:14pm | 04/11/10

      This new political “Stable Population Party of Australia” is really a NIMBY not in my backyard front to leach the public teat. Now that the 30 odd year drought is coming to an end and abundance returns what says the grasshopper? Human nature will cast off doomsayer’s for the long term growth, invention and its child, growth.

    • SoylentGreen says:

      10:37am | 05/11/10

      Please spell out what you mean by “leach the public teat”. Wouldn’t the baby bonus of the growth lobby be just that. People like you are either so far into the self interest of doomsday growth, or are just ill informed.

      People that are able to join the dots see right through you guys. At best you meet the requirements of the people mentioned in this article:
      http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-fuzzy-logic-useful-idiots


      I’m a NOMFP (Not on my fu**ing Planet) not a nimby.

    • Enne K says:

      07:32am | 05/11/10

      What we need is more NIMBYs!  Public ignorance of population growth is a great tool, being manipulated by those making profits from growth.  There is no other species that impacts on our planet as much as humans - their consumption and numbers.  There are limits to growth, for everything, and unless the public are made aware that there are more than market forces prevailing against more growth, the end result will not be pretty!  We have an evolutionary weakness in not being able to understand exponential arithmetic (Prof Al Bartlett) and also to understand the dynamics of the human herd.  Ignorance is not always bliss!

    • debbie glover says:

      08:02pm | 07/11/10

      The First Law of Sustainability; Population growth and/ or growth in the rates of consumption of resources cannot be sustained

      Dr. Albert Bartlett

    • Mary Ginseng says:

      05:43pm | 16/02/11

      People are denying God and taking on Science as a replacement, something to worship. However, an increasingly secular society hasn’t really given more credence to science.  We all know in natural systems that nothing can have perpetual growth, and if species keep growing, they end up dying eventually as they eat away their future.  Our numbers and consumption levels are not sustainable.  The planet will be sustainable eventually, but it seems suicidal humans don’t want to be included.

    • Jailene says:

      09:57am | 17/10/11

      So true. Honesty and everything recgoniezd.

 

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