They’re calling it the “mother of all mega malls”. Frank Lowy’s Stratford Westfield; home to seven miles of shop windows, 300 outlets, 70 restaurants, 5,000 car spaces and 50, 000 lights.

Stratford:Where all your shopping dreams come true

Sounds like hell. But you’d check it out, you know you would. People love to shop.

Fast, convenient and completely mind-numbing. Shopping has become the ultimate lifestyle activity; shopping malls the modern equivalent of the town square.

Like hungry seagulls we flock there; aimlessly wandering the sterile, clean, air-conditioned comfort of the wall-to-wall stores and their wall-to-wall temptations.

The moving walkways, the knick knavks, the gadgets, the piped music. Candles, toys, jewellery, electronics, over-sized pretzels, and endless fast food. Buying stuff we don’t need, eating stuff we don’t want.

Behaviour that is in turn both totally mindless and yet deeply satisfying.

Australian developer Frank Lowy is the face of the Westfield brand; a man who understands our shopping needs and their subtle nuances. 

Stratford is the second Westfield in London; the first was built in Shepherds Bush two years ago. And yet even in that short space of time, the ingredients of what makes a mall great has changed.

Despite its palatial proportions, the Stratford store was designed to soothe rather than bedazzle.

Lowy’s design brief did away with the high-end glitz of the London high street, in favour of a more comfortable vibe.

Stratford shoppers should feel like “guests” or visitors, rather than “walking wallets”, said The Independent this week. And they’re certainly expecting a crowd.

Four million people from the surrounding suburbs of east London are expected to make it their regular shopping destination. There are plans for an additional Eurostar stop at Stratford International to enable European shoppers’ easier access to the shopping mecca; and its close proximity to the London Olympic Stadium will ensure it a lucrative and souvenir-friendly time-waster for tourists next year.

Westfield also expects the mall will provide around 18,000 jobs.

Naturally though, not everyone is happy about it. Many say the mega mall will prove fatal to the already struggling local businesses not yet killed off by the GFC, and will also mark the end of an era for the east London area, once a manufacturing hub of trains, wagons, aircraft and buses.

But you can’t help feeling it’s all just a little too late. Two hundred thousand people walked through the opening doors on Tuesday. Plus, there are some attractive fringe benefits.

Celebrated interior designers will stage regular installations throughout the complex and international celebrities will make appearances. There’s a 24 hour text messaging service that advises available car parking from the comfort of your own home, hotels where you can “shop and sleep”, a casino and a 17-screen cinema.

Not exactly high-brow of course, but plenty of options for people just looking for somewhere to kill a bit of time. Or to get the shopping done in one convenient place.

Fact is, malls serve us well. They may not be organic or ‘hip’ but many of us love them more than we’d publicly admit.

The biggest question is what happens to these malls when it’s not just the bookshops that get shut down.

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    • komet says:

      06:04am | 16/09/11

      Timely article given that the UK seems to be asking itself how it can escape from it’s materialist/consumerist culture in the face of a recent Unicef report.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14899148

      How anyone would want to spend their free time in a place like this will always go over my head. Inserting pineapples into my orifices more appealing, personally.

      To each their own. But c’mon, lets evolve.

    • Budz says:

      09:26am | 16/09/11

      Great article! I wish more parents would read this.

      Your kids would rather spend extra time with you than you spend extra money on them! So bloody stop working late and get home and spend time with your kids.
      And don’t give me crap about mortgages, power bills etc. We have heard it all before, and in the end it’s time to get your priorities right.

    • Hermano says:

      09:32am | 16/09/11

      Agree entirely.  I last five minutes in a mall before I start panicking and have to leave.  They’re soulless, soul-destroying places, and I do anything to avoid them.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      11:59am | 16/09/11

      Hmmm Budz, bit of a problem there, you need to work so that you can provide the essentials for your children, unless you mean that we should just send them out to fend for themselves.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      11:59am | 16/09/11

      Hmmm Budz, bit of a problem there, you need to work so that you can provide the essentials for your children, unless you mean that we should just send them out to fend for themselves.

    • HappyCynic says:

      01:34pm | 16/09/11

      @PsychoHyena

      Sorry but if you can’t provide the essentials without depriving your kids of your presence (and your parenting skills) then why are you even a parent?

    • Sam says:

      04:50pm | 16/09/11

      Budz - speak for yourself, I want an iPad 2.

    • Budz says:

      05:33pm | 16/09/11

      @Sam: How long is that going to make you happier for? About 2 weeks and then you will want an Ipad 3 when it comes out?

    • Hate crowds says:

      06:26am | 16/09/11

      I love my local shopping mall - mid week, when there are few other bods around. Birkenhead Point has views of the water and discount stores -what’s not to love? I love Macquarie Centre in Sydney’s north-westish. The ice skating rink and everything on sale. I marvel at the way the car parking level numbers don’t correspond to the shopping centre level numbers. I once had to get the man with the trolley train to drive me around the car park for 20 mins two because I couldn’t find the car. However, when I went to the Westfield’s at Bondi Junction - a mega mall by Aussie standards, I got an instant headache. Just too big.

    • acotrel says:

      07:39am | 16/09/11

      @Hate crowds
      Don’t you feel like you’ve become an instant Yank ? The new shopping malls remind me of droning down the never ending freeways of Los Angeles !  And queing up for hours to get a few thrills on the rides at Disney Land.  They make me feel sick !
      I was looking for a supermarker in Burbridge in the UK.  It was hidden behind a pile of wicker baskets.  I bought some lovely food items and carried them back to my car which was parked 100 metres away down a country lane in a car park.  The experience was beautiful.  Even ‘park and ride’ is preferable to searching for your car amongst thousands of others, and concrete pillars !
      I think what we are doing in Australia is misguided bullshit, all designed to grab the quick dollar with no regard for quality of life !

    • Amy Sturt says:

      09:46am | 16/09/11

      Bondi isn’t actually that big.  It’s actually brilliant because it’s really well set out and organised and even when it’s packed it feels like there’s barely anyone there.  Huge change from my local, Miranda.  I know Miranda like the back of my hand, but I’m forever battling a crowd to get anywhere.  Bondi is free and easy and the restaurant precinct is absolutely brilliant. 

      That said, I don’t drive to Bondi.  It’s a brilliant train ride from Cronulla and I’d never park there…

    • iansand says:

      10:08am | 16/09/11

      Ahhh, alcotrel.  Don’t go to San Francisco.  The main shopping centre in the middle of town is a Westfield.  We are colonising them.

    • Sarah says:

      10:59am | 16/09/11

      Totally agree, Westfields Bondi Junction is just awful. Terrible layout, it makes you walk back and forth over the road all the time. I cant last more than a hour and I get the overwhelming urge to leave.

      give me the shops of oxford st any day. although even that seems to be struggling in competition with the westfields.

    • iansand says:

      11:19am | 16/09/11

      Shopping centres are like casinos.  They are designed for inefficient movement.  The plan is to keep you inside the damn things, not to help you escape.

    • marley says:

      11:39am | 16/09/11

      @Iansand - kind of like Ikea and Sydney airport’s duty free in the arrivals area.

    • Tubesteak says:

      11:58am | 16/09/11

      WBJ reminds me of the old Johnny Carson (??) joke about TV: 100 channels and nothing to watch.

      WBJ: 1000 stores and nothing there of interest to bother buying.

    • Fiona says:

      10:43pm | 16/09/11

      Orion centre at Springfield lakes (Qld) is lovely. Not too crowded, some outdoor shops and not too big (at the moment). Not a big fan of huge shopping centers, oh the parking.
      I used to walk across the princes highway with my nan to go to chadstone when it was a small myers and one strip of shops place. Now, it’s mind blowing….

    • acotrel says:

      06:28am | 16/09/11

      Retailers seem to want to deny the fact that everything is negotiable.  And the shopping malls promote that idea !  I love shopping in one of our local businessses in Benalla.  I sometimes by three or four clothing items at a time there.  I always ask them ‘is this your best price’, and they always give me a discount.  They probably see me walk though the door, and put the prices up in readiness, but it’s lovely to be able to negotiate ! It intrigues me the way our IR policies centre around negotiation, yet when we are spending we are steered away from it ? Sort of like ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ ?  The same thing applies when you compare the attitudesof the ATO and Centrelink.  Good at taking money off us, not so quick to give it back !

    • Fiddler says:

      07:24am | 16/09/11

      no they probably see you walk through the door and think “oh no not him again”

    • acotrel says:

      08:11am | 16/09/11

      @Fiddler
      It’s really quite funny.  I see those sales guys around town, and they’re always very pleasant to me.  A bit of interaction with other people when you are working can actually improve your life.  We always have a laugh when we’re haggling over the price.  But these days they’re ready for me.  Their boss died recently, and we miss him.  He devised a system of ‘bonus points’ - it all amuses me !  It’s the joys of living in a small country town. The shop is Miller’s in Benalla - I love it !

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      07:28am | 16/09/11

      I’d rather shop in Hong Kong or Singapore…..

    • marley says:

      08:01am | 16/09/11

      @Shane - Singapore is just one giant shopping mall.  Not much different from here (all the same brands) - it just doesn’t have a roof.  Give me the markets of Istanbul instead.

    • acotrel says:

      08:25am | 16/09/11

      Stanley Market in Hong Kong is tops. You can get all the top grade stuff made in China, which we never see in Australia !

    • AdamC says:

      09:09am | 16/09/11

      Hong Kong is a consumerist paradise. Ah, food and shopping ... I was born in the wrong country.

    • AFR says:

      10:22am | 16/09/11

      Any man who admits to enjoying shopping, should hand in his man card. Now.

    • Ben C says:

      12:20pm | 16/09/11

      @ acotrel

      What you buy from Stanley Markets, you could get cheaper elsewhere in Hong Kong.

    • Ben C says:

      12:22pm | 16/09/11

      @ AFR

      I don’t know mate, what about those men that love shopping at:

      - Bunnings
      - Any automotive store
      - Any electronics store?

    • AFR says:

      02:05pm | 16/09/11

      Do men really ENJOY shopping at Bunnings though? I just think its generally a means to an end. Me? I go for the $2.50 sausage sangas.

    • Tigger says:

      02:51pm | 16/09/11

      @AFR

      RE Bunnings - umm… yes! My dad loves it, and I am quite partial to it myself. My wife hates it though, go figure.

    • Ben C says:

      03:00pm | 16/09/11

      @ AFR

      I know men who love being inside Bunnings so much that they want to work there.

    • acotrel says:

      08:25am | 17/09/11

      @Tigger
      I like Bunnings too !  They seem to have their staff trained up to be helpful.  I also like those Autopro shops with all the tools and car parts, they make me feel really good in the head !  And old Dickie Smith’s shops aren’t too bad either ! The trouble with both of those is that when I’m there I can feel my wallet loosening .
      Until recently we had a hardware store in Benalla where the prices were sky high, but the service was excellent.  If you went in there, the owner used to treat you like a brother.  I must be pretty dumb because I used to enjoy going there.

    • Satisfied Life says:

      07:37am | 16/09/11

      I have a real life - I shop for necessities and as I can only wear one outfit at a time, don’t need to comfort shop.

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:26am | 16/09/11

      Agree.

      The idea of this palce just sounds ghastly. When I want something then I go and buy it. I don’t want to aimlessly wander around a shopping centre like grazing cattle.

    • Joan says:

      07:54am | 16/09/11

      I go shopping at mall a couple of times a month- easy one stop convenient shopping, I shop at off-peak times,- win-win for me- easy park, easy walk from shop to shop, quality coffee, wide range of good cheap food for quick snack. Malls are places to be avoided at peak time the same as peak-hour train travel- too many people at one time in same place is just too much unless its a champers loaded New Years eve party.

    • CiscoKid says:

      08:05am | 16/09/11

      I wonder how much energy is being used to feed this great big rabbit warren of concrete and clay,and how much of a carbon footprint it has left in its wake ,seems a bit hypercritical to me.

    • Anne71 says:

      08:06am | 16/09/11

      “Like hungry seagulls we flock there; aimlessly wandering the sterile, clean, air-conditioned comfort of the wall-to-wall stores and their wall-to-wall temptations.” Speak for yourself, Lucy. I don’t go next or near a shopping mall unless I have to. It’s bad enough having to brave the crowds when you do have a reason to be there, as well as trying to avoid getting your feet crushed by those blasted yummy mummies with their stupid 4WD-sized prams.  Why on earth would you do it if you didn’t have to?

    • Babe in the Woods says:

      09:01am | 16/09/11

      @Anne71, I agree totally.  I despise malls and try to keep out of them as much as possible.  So many shops selling the same (unneccesary) clothing, staffed by those who don’t really care.  So many sweating, grasping bodies.  So many screaming kids or teens displaying designer undies.  Nah, not for me.  I like our little shopping centre.  I like to go to local shops and take my time.  I like to visit my local cafe, sit outside and throw food to the pelicans.  You can’t do that in Westfield.

    • Michael says:

      08:18am | 16/09/11

      A person can never get enough of the things that don’t satisfy them.

    • marley says:

      08:44am | 16/09/11

      There isn’t a genuine shopping mall within 100 km of my little town, so, on those occasions when I do visit one of the bigger cities, I do check out the mall, usually with a little list of stuff I can’t get locally (choices in footwear, clothing, kitchenware and the like are a bit limited down my way). 

      My inevitable experience - wander around, in and out of stores, get my list filled, and get the hell out after a couple of hours.  Every mall seems to be full of stores selling stuff I don’t want - there are only two or three shops in the biggest mall that have any interest at all for me.  Most of them just flog generic brands indistinguishable from what you would buy in LA or Vancouver or London or Singapore.  And frankly, I get better cappuccino locally than in most of the food courts. 

      I find that a visit to a mall once ever 3 or 4 months is more than sufficient to remind me why I dislike the places so much.

    • Robert Smissen of rural SA says:

      12:35am | 17/09/11

      On this subject I agree with you, I do not enter a shopping mall unless I’m buying presents for birthdays Christmas etc. My best ever record for a mall visit was last October, buying presents for my 4 grand-kid & my youngest son. Armed with a list of the kids likes & clothes sizes, with my adult son at my side we entered Tea Tree PLaza at 10:00am, we were driving out at 10:46am with all presents bought

    • ibast says:

      08:46am | 16/09/11

      Large shopping centres suck the life out of towns and suburban centres.  People go to them and do not partonise other retailers in the town.  The town slowly dies and all that is left is the fully enclosed cube.  You just have to look at Parramatta by way of example.  It’s a centre for hundreds of thousands of Sydney-siders, yet go there on a Saturday afternoon and it’s a ghost town.  The council there should never have let the shopping centre expand beyond it’s original confines.

      Personally I can’t find anything in them I want.  The shops within are aimed at teenagers and women.  I could live the rest of my life without going into one and my life would be better for it.

    • PTom says:

      12:00pm | 16/09/11

      I agree the surrond area is dead there are 4 other malls in the area with half the shops closed but it is not like no one is shopping. I went to Coles a few weeks back it was around 3:00pm on Sunday. Westfield was packed what the hell where all those people doing there on a Sunday shopping.

      Have they not heard we have bad economy.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:47am | 16/09/11

      My latest realisation is that I really like the self check-outs in K-Mart and whatever.

      When it’s just a few random items that you can’t get from the corner shop, it’s brilliant.  Never thought I’d think that!

    • acotrel says:

      09:08am | 16/09/11

      I agree with you Maharat.  At first I thought of the job loss involved.  Then I realised how often I’d queued up waiting for service at the checkout at times when the management must have known their staffing levels were inadequate.  It’s never about service only about maximum gain ! Incidentally the ‘rollback ’ thing on prices was just insulting !  Like the prices really decreased?  What a load of bull ?

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      01:21pm | 16/09/11

      Don’t you think the self check out should provide a small discount seeing as you’re doing someones job for them? It’s my understanding that a small percentage of the cost of an item goes towards staff wages. If this is the case then shouldn’t that be deduced from the price of an item if you’re not being served by someone? I’ve boycotted the self check out system due to this, if I’m paying full price anyway I’ll gladly line up and have someone serve me and pack the bags like they’re paid to do. I mean, I don’t have a ‘self environmental assessment system’ at work, as it’s my job…. although it would cut down on my work load.

    • Tigger says:

      03:02pm | 16/09/11

      @Wynston Cruso

      I agree. I hate the self service things myself because (1) they’re conning me into the doing the work of their staff, and (2) it’s slower!

    • AFR says:

      03:33pm | 16/09/11

      I’m with tigger, they’re definately not any quicker (well from my experience anyway), especially in the city coles near my work where most are only buying a few items.

    • Angry Fat Bitch says:

      09:20pm | 16/09/11

      I like them too. Great for when you need to buy some embarassing item, like tampons or KY Jelly. You can swiftly pop them in the bags without feeling the judgement eyes from the staff.

    • Elizabeth1 says:

      09:00am | 16/09/11

      I hate shopping. Ohhh shiney things! I want that.  I pay to bring it into the house,  then I pay to get it out of the house. Most of it breaks and hardly any of it is as good as I thought it would be. Very unsatisfying all round.

    • Budz says:

      04:39pm | 16/09/11

      Welcome to consumerism! Based on the premise that buying more ‘stuff’ will make us happier. Don’t be a slave to ‘stuff’, it makes like a lot less stressful.

    • Audra Blue says:

      09:44pm | 16/09/11

      I’m not a shopper either.  My policy for a long time now has been to use up what I have at home and take stuff out of the house instead of bringing it in.  As a result, my shopping trips are few and far between and I only buy when I absolutely need something.  I’ve never understood the appeal of retail therapy.  I’m more the “caramel tart” therapy.  Give me sweet deserty type goods any day if I’m feeling crappy!

      As for the self service checkouts, I love them to pieces.  I don’t have to chat to anyone if I’m not in the mood and I can take my time scanning the stuff through and then sauntering out again.

    • Anna C says:

      09:19am | 16/09/11

      I hate shopping and shopping centres. Stratford Westfield would be my definition of what hell looks like. It looks so cavernous that I would probably get lost in there and never come out again.

    • Josephine says:

      09:34am | 16/09/11

      I’m not a fan of shopping malls because they give me headaches. If I have to go to one,  I get there as shops open, get what I came for and get out as quick as I can.

    • randomscrub says:

      10:00am | 16/09/11

      George A. Romero was right ...

      Dawn of the Dead should be mandatory viewing for high school students.

      Saaaaaalllllleeeeessss ....

    • SalC says:

      10:01am | 16/09/11

      I don’t get the appeal of a mall.  Luckily both myself and my husband are “get in and get out” kinda people.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:04am | 16/09/11

      My sister lived in Stratford and when I visited in December 2001 - it was an absolute hole. The end of the central line, on the border of essex it was a filth pit of grunge. Ten years later (OMG, ten years have passed?), I am sure it is a bit better, but if this in anyway assists in the gentrification - I say its a good thing.

    • Amy Sturt says:

      10:32am | 16/09/11

      I don’t mind them if they are well set out.  Westfield Bondi is particularly well set out, so it’s brilliant.  Chadstone, however, is a hell surpassing all others.  It’s only two levels but it manages to confuse even the most seasoned of mall professionals.  It looks like a square, but it’s not a square.  Turn a corner and you’re lost.  And they put David Jones and Myer NEXT to each other?  What is wrong with those people? 

      The Beverly Centre is still my favourite though…

    • sarah says:

      11:03am | 16/09/11

      Bondi is well set out? How to you figure that?

      macquarie centre north ryde is well set out. escalors at both ends and basically its a giant spiral so you can jump between levels in the middle as well. easy.

      bondi j is like a giant bow. invariably the shops I need are at different ends and I spend the whole time zigzagging back and forth.

    • Kassandra says:

      11:34am | 16/09/11

      @ sarah

      You just haven’t got the hang of the layout at Bondi is all. I love shopping but I don’t like a lot of shopping malls I have been in here and overseas, the good ones though are shopper’s heaven (and so are good markets). Shopping seems to be mostly a girl thing from my observations - guys go to the malls either on escort or hit and run missions.

    • ibast says:

      12:00pm | 16/09/11

      I’m with Sarah.  I did a bit of work at Bondi during the fit out and I would find the place stressful to shop at.  Often I could see shop I wanted to go to, but had to walk to the other end of the building and back to get to it.  The place is designed to maximize exposure for the shops.  It is the ultimate in anti-men shopping centre.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:16pm | 16/09/11

      @Kassandra - then I definitely shop like a guy. I’ve never been into shopping just for the sake of it.  If I need something, I work out which shop would be the best to go to for it, then it’s straight in and out.  Then I can get on with something more interesting.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:16pm | 16/09/11

      @Kassandra - then I definitely shop like a guy. I’ve never been into shopping just for the sake of it.  If I need something, I work out which shop would be the best to go to for it, then it’s straight in and out.  Then I can get on with something more interesting.

    • Nathan says:

      10:46am | 16/09/11

      Malls (of the Westfield variety) are incredibly insular, encourage homogeneity, and are a major culprit in Australian’s addiction to cars. (One only need to see the carparks attached to malls to realise that).

      A good high street has a true mix. There may be some chains, there may be some small local stores. Odd and interesting ideas have the ability to pop up. Buildings can be controlled by different landlords, so there’s no one almighty power that controls in the entire area. There’s open air, interesting architecture, nearby parks, residential and business areas. On the whole, it cab be a far more satisfying experience for the consumer and for the the business owners, and can contribute to the culture of the area rather than sucking it dry.

    • Shane* says:

      11:52am | 16/09/11

      Wayne, so when exactly did your plane touch down from Pretentistan?

    • Anne71 says:

      12:18pm | 16/09/11

      @ Shane - who’s Wayne?

    • Shane* says:

      12:43pm | 16/09/11

      And by Wayne, of course, I mean Nathan. Thanks Anne.

    • ibast says:

      02:15pm | 16/09/11

      So it’s pretentious to want to be somewhere with character and fresh air rather than artificial light and air and musac constantly being piped from some mysterious location?

    • Shane* says:

      02:35pm | 16/09/11

      @ibast

      Yes.

      And I could just as easily argue that shopping centres are the new public squares of our society, which encourage social cohesion and cultural integration.

      Where else can I grab a kebab while my mate grabs some Vietnamese food, after we went shopping for a German soccer jersey made in China and sold in an Australian retail chain before we head down to the giant American-Owned multiplex to watch a Bollywood film?

    • AdamC says:

      02:51pm | 16/09/11

      No, Nathan, there is room for both trendy street shopping strips and malls. And malls were designed to serve car-driven cities, not the other way around. If anything, malls are bigger deals in Singapore and Hong Kong, which are much less car-oriented cities that Sydney, Melbourne or Perth.

    • ibast says:

      03:31pm | 16/09/11

      Well Shane you can keep all that.  I must be pretentious.

    • Shane* says:

      04:57pm | 16/09/11

      @ibast

      yep.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:57am | 16/09/11

      Our local major shopping centre introduced paid parking last year. 3 hours free and then you pay from then on. Free on Sundays. It is THE BEST THING that has ever happened to the shopping centre experience.

      You ALWAYS get a park within minutes (mostly you just zip right into them) and it has rid the place of the mothers groups who walk the ways five prams abreast. It rids the place of people who are just there for the airconditioning. The foodcourt is not as packed as people are less inclined to sit there and eat for two hours and then wander off shopping. It is just fantastic.

      People, don’t be afraid of paid parking. If you are “normal” and can’t spend more than three hours in the joint it is the best thing since sliced bread.

    • AFR says:

      03:34pm | 16/09/11

      I’m with you - if you can’t complete all of your shopping requirements in under 3 hours, there is something wrong.

    • ronald burns says:

      12:24pm | 16/09/11

      the thing about these shopping centres are that if someone blind-folded you and left you in the middle of one then asked you which country you were in you would be hard pressed to give an answer,also why do the owners of these malls also say that this is what the people want,because most people i know detest them,myself included,there was a recent show on british tv about reviving neglected city centre shopping and it was a huge success even with young people

    • I hate malls crowds and overprice junk says:

      12:27pm | 16/09/11

      You just need to go to any shopping centre in Australia and you get the same stores with the same merchandise. Why bother going to the shopping centre when you can go online. This is why you go online to avoid the shopping centres. Oh another pet hate about shopping centres is why do people have to stand in a group in the middle of the walkway??? I dont walk around them I just say “excuse me” and walk inbetween them! (they can stand to the side to let people through but they dont)

    • Kelly says:

      01:04pm | 16/09/11

      Was recently in San Francisco which has a huge Westfield right in the middle of the city. Gross. You get dizzy looking up the middle of this huge spriral in the centre. I felf like I could have been in any Aussie shopping mall ... except the prices were much cheaper!

    • stephen says:

      01:37am | 18/09/11

      Seen Frank’s kids ?
      All class.
      That’s why you’re dizzy.

      These malls are ruining the suburbs.
      They take away the ‘community’ of family, and the local provider.
      And the ‘burbs’, like the old-time farmer and the local consumer, need a a wider net of relations ; to relate the buy-and-sell as not one of manipulation.
      The shopstall rents from these malls are too high, and I know that the Lowy’s take rents out of profits before they are offered, as a matter of contract.
      This may be legal, but when economic times are tough, may not be right.

    • marley says:

      01:08pm | 16/09/11

      On reflection, I have two things to say in favour of shopping malls - but they refer to the Canadian context only.  First, if you have to go shopping and it’s minus 30 degrees outside, malls rather than high streets do have their attractions.  And second, if you go into a Canadian mall just at opening time, you will find older folks doing laps of the mall as morning exercise - uncrowded, clean and no chance of breaking a hip on the ice.

      There, that’s the good side of malls.

    • Angry Fat Bitch says:

      09:35pm | 16/09/11

      In an Australian context I would have to add this - no cigarette smoke.

      I hate walking down our local high street, because it always stinks of tobacco. There’s always people outside shops sucking on a lung lolly, or walking down the street trailing the smoke behind them.

      The Westfield car park stinks too (why it’s ok to smoke in a car park when there’s a roof, I’ll never know) but at least inside the place itself there’s clean air to breathe. Not to mention clean (sort of) toilets and baby change facilities close at hand, the high street doesn’t have those.

    • right turn only says:

      01:39pm | 16/09/11

      Alvin Toffler 1976 said that in the 21st century,  shopping malls would be the ghost towns and monuments to 20th Century capitalism.

    • justsayin says:

      02:39pm | 16/09/11

      The No.1 enemy of the western world -  a non-consumer.

    • stephen says:

      06:41pm | 18/09/11

      Everyone consumes.
      But the action of buy and sell, whilst can be fun and a bit of a game, should not create insipid hierarchies.
      And if you create, as the Lowy’s have done, a seller city, only for the express purpose of making a profit, it dissipates the varied relationships that a friendly market -stall type economy furnished.
      And may I suggest that the reason why so many country towns are finding the goings tough and are indeed closing shop, is because of the City Mall.

    • Tigger says:

      03:15pm | 16/09/11

      I loathe the local Westfields - such a hollow place devoid of any soul. I would much prefer to shop on a high street, but they seem to be disappearing.

      When I pay for something, I expect to pay for:
      - the cost of making and supplying the good
      - a reasonable amount of rent
      - informative and helpful service from the staff

      What I get slugged for in a shopping mall that I don’t expect is:
      - exorbitant rent (incl profit share) to cover the cost of those huge useless corridors, piped musak, air con, etc
      - paying for elaborate, glamorous shop fitouts that the mall requires every shop to have to convey a luxurious image
      - subsidising the abymisally small rent of the “anchor tenants” - Coles, Woolies, Myer, DJs
      - staff that are useless, know nothing, couldn’t care less, or are just nonexistent!
      - wasting my time trying to find a carpark, walking all the way to the supermarket, walking right to the back of it, and fighting the aimless loitering meandering crowds just for some bread and milk

      To me, Westfields represents everything that is wrong about shopping. Give me a high street or a warehouse and I’ll gladly take it.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      10:13pm | 16/09/11

      Hi Lucy,

      The concept behind shopping mall experiences has nothing to do with how much money we all have today!!  It is all about having endless fun on their time, even it means just purchasing a cup of coffee & happy meal for our children!!  We all have so much fun that we all tell our friends & they tell their friends.  Even though it might mean that you actually walk out of the shopping complex empty handed today with just a little bit of curiosity & wonder, you are bound to come back again & again.

      It is all about keeping customers happy as well as a lot of activities especially designed for the young generation .  We all have heard the healing power of retail therapy, right??  It is most definitely very clean, convenient , fun packed experience for every one involved.

      The actual cost to us may be the additional & unwanted spending on our credit cards.  Somehow, in turn it can not be all that bad for our economy, anyway.  It is all about how much self discipline, we all have at the end of the day, when it comes to our daily spending habits.

      One better idea would be providing of actual sleeping capsules within the shopping center so that we would not have to leave the premises at all.  Best regards to your editors.

    • Cate says:

      01:43pm | 17/09/11

      I hate them with a passion.  I blame Westfield for the vitamin D problem we are having in this country.  There is a huge deficiency. Frank Lowy gets plenty out on his yacht.

    • Katie says:

      01:51pm | 17/09/11

      Wow… aren’t we all a bunch of shopping hipsters here. Ah no, you all cry, I hate the shopping malls and prefer to shop at niche, local providers! I’m betting come Christmas time you’re all down at the nearest shopping mall trying to do all your present buying at once!

      Shopping malls serve a purpose: Lots of things in one place, cinemas, somewhere to meet friends if you don’t live close and have errends you want to run together. Great for window shopping too!

      Not to say local, small business aren’t good too, I shop at both… but saying you have no use for a shopping mall is like saying you have no use for a supermarket: you can only afford to avoid them if you’re filthy rich and have all the time in the world.

    • stephen says:

      10:06pm | 18/09/11

      Cinemas belong in the in the city, if anything.
      They were included in a multiplex to give credibility to shoppers as not only buyers, but incisive purveyors of the moving image, e.g. those who were undecided as to powders, but can get hitchcocked.
      Nice touch, but the sellers are still ignorant. and still making 500 %.

    • Utopia Boy says:

      09:06pm | 18/09/11

      Grrrr..malls.
      1. Disinterested staff.
      2. Designed so you can never remember which way to go.
      3. Parking spaces made for only the smallest of cars.
      4. The pleasure of paying to park a car.
      5. Constant renovations.

      Malls suck.

 

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