The fetishisation of the female backside reached royal heights this week with the global worship of Pippa Middleton’s bum.

No, silly - it's a horse, not an ass. Pic: Getty Images

The frenzied prostration before the bottom of HRH Catherine Middleton’s younger sister and bridesmaid highlights anew the objectification of women deeply entrenched in our culture.

This was in the Daily Mail: Many women admired her dress, but an army of male fans were happily distracted by her shapely rear as the procession went up the aisle.

Philippa Middleton’s backside has its own twitter address and an “anthem of praise” on YouTube.  Then there’s the ‘Pippa Middleton Ass Appreciation Society’ Facebook page, which, at time of writing, had 168,781 fans. And no, it’s not in honour of any pet donkeys kept in the royal stables.

Here, the PM arse afficondos really let their love run wild. The FB page, created by Michael Bander, has been described in some media reports as “cheeky”. You see it’s just cheeky to set up a page promoting the 27-year old party planner’s bum as perfect masturbatory material for men.

Here’s some of their comments, so you can see the cheek of these lads for yourself (original spellings and grammar retained).

Steven Glinatsis: “Hell yeah, Saw that arse in the church through that dress and thought….Very nice.”

Andrew Franks:  “god i want to make my mark and knock her up”

Álvaro Luna: “I would lyposuction her ass with pleasure.”

Ricardo Wooding: “Pippe very much needs pumping :O)”
Michael John McMahon: “My tongue, pipas bum! Lol!”

Ara Karanui: “you make my pepe go dadooing dooing dooooiiiiing” [a reference to Eminem’s “Ass like that”].

In a reference to blackjack: TJ Rush: “Id hit it like it was eleven against a dealer 16!” (this one may apply to Kate or Pippa, though I don’t think the author is fussy).

Kasper Kahari: “I would like to lick that ass till its covered in my saliva, then jizz on it. sooo sexxy …”

Malcolm Lant: “I’d destroy her or at least bash her back doors in”

Matthew Chambers:  “She would need a wheel chair and straw when I’d be finished with it xxbig Matty chambers xxx”

The FB site provides an opportunity for men everywhere to share their sexual fantasies for the young maid of honour. Knock her up, bash her in, cause her injury such that she would not be able to walk . Wrecking and shredding a woman’s anus is a popular porn script.

Merchandise sold through the FB page also enforces the pornification of Pippa’s behind. From male boxers with ‘Pippa ass fan’ down the front, to tees with slogans such as ‘Ass-tocracy’ (get it!), ‘If only Pippa were a stripper’ and - plastered across the image of a women bending over - ‘I’d like to be in the middleton of that!’

All just part of putting women in their place. And even more fun when that woman is sister of a woman who will likely be Queen of England one day (or QILF – Queen I’d like to f**k - as another male fan on Bander’s page described Kate).

Pippa was given porn star treatment without doing anything except walk down the aisle in Westminster Abbey in a fitted white dress, holding the train of her sister’s wedding dress.

And all this is supposed to be accepted as a compliment. Of course there are no ‘Pippa the Wonderfully Supportive Sister Appreciation Societies’ or other pages lauding her gifts and character and other non-body related attributes.

When Karl Stefanovic let all the men present know in his Logie acceptance speech that his wife had “the best arse”, frequent comments were made that if a woman had made the same comments about a man, no one would mind.

But a woman making a comment about a man’s backside does not carry the same weight or intent as the reverse. We don’t hear men being told to “shake that arse”. We do not hear of a man’s backside referred to as ‘booty’.

If a woman does comment on a male bum, she is not usually thinking of doing all the things to it that Pippa’s fans are salivating over. Because of a pornified culture, references to a women’s ‘arse’ are mostly not compliments but have underlying pornographic meanings.

But women are expected to welcome it – thanks to the proliferation and globalisation of pornography, women’s bottoms have a very specific and often nasty meaning, as the Facebook comments attest.

The focus on Pippa Middleton’s backside for assessment and virtual mutual masturbation feeds into the Bangable and Hot or Not genres, in which individuals are rated on whether they are f-able or not.

Women are also encouraged to buy into their objectification and the objectification of each other. I’ve been told women should – and do - welcome sexual messages shouted to them in the street (“HOT ARSE!” “NICE TITS!”) as compliments instead of street harassment.

Putting Pippa’s backside on a virtual platter and offering it up for male gratification and pleasure, is not a compliment or credit to her. It needs to be named as the virtual sexual harassment of Pippa Middleton.

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    • Dave says:

      06:01am | 04/05/11

      I think you need a bex and a good lie down, Melinda.

      None of my female friends are even close to being offended by men’s appreciation of Pippa’s fine form.

    • Brah says:

      09:56am | 04/05/11

      I agree Dave.  This is an article reflecting the fat and ugly agenda/greens/homosexual agenda. Men are not allowed to express themselves anymore.  It is all complimentary, a bit crude perhaps but that is all.

    • bella starkey says:

      10:48am | 04/05/11

      I think the last think MTR would want to do is support the gays or greens. I think its more a psuedo-feminist puritanical agenda.

    • Julianne says:

      11:14am | 04/05/11

      If any of the authors of these offensive comments towards Melinda had any knowledge of what Melinda stands for and fights for, you would retract your comment.

      She is a respectable professional female who is knowledgeable and concerned with the sexualisation of children and poor representation of women. Everyone should be!

      It is not just a few websites about Pippa that is the concern, if you add everything we promote in the media in today’s society, it is a massive problem.

      Your actions may seem innocent when you join such groups. But children who view material such as this, become desensitised to crude and offensive comments.

      This means that boys grow up thinking it is ok to make these remarks and treat women like object and girls think they are objects and it is perfectly normal for boys to view them like this.

      I wonder if you would like your daughter, mother or sister to have a good lie down by a male who treats her as an object.

    • Ando says:

      11:23am | 04/05/11

      168,000 fans worldwide,a handful of which make disgusting comments. Hardly “the masses” descibed,more a good excuse for a story.The media really is pathetic.

    • Michele says:

      11:24am | 04/05/11

      Dave:have you actually asked any of your friends… it is obscene the way men have been carrying on.
      Brah:a bit crude…mmm do you have a daughter how would you feel if her backside was commented on like this as the mother of 3 I think it is more than crude. Men are specifically making comments about having sex with her that crosses the line.

    • Slothy says:

      11:34am | 04/05/11

      “I think you need a bex and a good lie down, Melinda.”

      Because if a woman is upset about something, she’s hysterical and needs to be medicated. Thanks for the clarification

      “None of my female friends are even close to being offended by men’s appreciation of Pippa’s fine form.”

      1. Appreciation is one thing. Reducing somebody in to a sex object without their consent and talking about the sexual violence you would inflict on them is another.

      2. Just because your friends aren’t offended by it (or don’t feel comfortable talking to you about their feelings on it), doesn’t mean that no other woman is allowed to be offended.

      3. If your female friends have such strong feelings on this issue, they can speak for themselves. I’m not comfortable with a man coopting their views to make his own point.

      @Brah “This is an article reflecting the fat and ugly agenda/greens/homosexual agenda.”

      Only fat and ugly people get upset when women are being objectified and dehumanized.  The rest of us take it as a compliment.  News to me! So what is the minimum weight I have to acheive to be allowed to be a feminist?

    • CASSIE says:

      11:34am | 04/05/11

      Seriously? Can you people grow up? This is disgusting and totally disrespectful to women! Stop trying to justify this behaviour!! It’s just not acceptable no matter how much you attempt to convince yourself or argue otherwise!

      You might be able to impress your mates with your cheap talk, your unrealistic fantasies and lonely nights behind the computer screen, but you won’t impress any woman of class!

    • Rosie says:

      11:36am | 04/05/11

      I shouldn’t think we females would be offended by men’s appreciation of the way Pippa looked in that beautiful dress. She looked absolutely gorgeous and sexy and if my husband didn’t admire how beautiful and sexy she looked in the dress I would have been worried. If he had other things going through his head, he was decent enough to keep it to himself.   

      What I took as offensive was the way in which these men are not ashamed to allow “all” in their darkest part of their pea size brain (yawning chasm) where they only go to find themselves when they fanaticize something way out of their reach. The crass comments of their wishing and drooling told me that they couldn’t wait to show off to the world their macho tendencies.

      A pornographic stigma only the slobs could attach to a female who mesmerized her audience because she looked angleic and beautiful in the most gorgeous dress that accentuated her slender figure was crude.

      It is a wonder some women folk would rather have beauty than brains because the average man can see better than he can think or use his imagination and keep it to himself.

      The comments made by the slobs lacked refinement. It is the unimaginative that cannot visualize sublime beauty and describe her to a white dove, beautiful and angelic. Simply gorgeous.

      I suppose the slobs could be excused because Pipa had no intentions of weakening these men and turning them into slobs.

    • Ass Man says:

      12:00pm | 04/05/11

      Reeks of jealousy. Would you be complaining if your ass had an appreciation society dedicated towards it? I doubt it. As usual though it’s just another cat fight with women trying to tear down the girls who get more male attention then them.

    • Markus says:

      12:05pm | 04/05/11

      Hey Slothy, gotta love the double standard don’t you?
      Melinda is allowed to take 4-5 comments from a Facebook page with over 100,000 fans, and claim that they are representative of the attitudes of all men in this society.

      Yet anyone suggesting someone who came to such a ridiculous conclusion is over-reacting and, dare I say it, hysterical, is generalising and likely a sexist and mysoginist pig?

    • Toady says:

      12:07pm | 04/05/11

      Well, Melinda.  I’m not interested in this story about Pippa, couldn’t care less how her butt looked.  I didn’t watch the wedding, but am not surprised there are so many idiots out there making such stupid and offensive comments.  I’m more interested in your raving feminist attacks on men.  Let’s look at a few things, shall we?

      Women appear in mainstream porno’s.  I doubt that any of them are forced to participate in sex acts - it’s their choice.
      Women appear in racy music videos.  I doubt that any of them are forced to appear in them.
      Many women and young girls watch racy music videos and download them.  I doubt many of them are forced to do either.
      Many women like to dress up in very sexy and revealing outfits, displaying their at times ample cleavage and attractive curves which (shock, horror!) many men find appealing.  I doubt many of them are forced to dress in this way.

      If you want to crusade against the objectification of women, start with the women themselves.  Change their behaviour first, instead of labelling every man on the planet a pervert.  Most men are attracted to women, and I’m sure many women are attracted to men.  Let’s do a deal - you put an end to women sexualising their appearance in ads, porno’s, on the beach, in strip clubs, and I’ll put an end to men doing the same in strip shows, calendars, gyms, on the beach, etc.

    • Slothy says:

      12:30pm | 04/05/11

      Markus - accusations of cherry picking data are valid, although the number of commenters here defending the statements indicate that these views may not be the extreme outliers you would have us believe.

      Furthermore, this is an opinion piece and so does need to conform to certain format and length requirements. Since I can’t access facebook at work, I can’t be certain, but I am comfortable theorising that if space permitted, the author could have continued to quote problematic statements till the cows came home.

      Finally, there I never called Dave a sexist, misogynistic pig for implying that Melinda is being hysterical, but there is a long and proud history of men dismissing women’s concerns by painting them as hysterical and mentally incompetent. Dave’s comment was a symptom of that tendency and he deserves to be called on it.

    • Tim says:

      12:42pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy,
      if you haven’t seen the facebook page then you probably shouldn’t be commenting the way you are.
      Any suggestion that a couple of 15 year old boys on the page boasting with each other and trying to make the most offensive comment is somehow an attack on women in general is fanciful at best.

    • Erick says:

      12:58pm | 04/05/11

      If women don’t want their concerns being dismissed as hysterical, maybe they shouldn’t get hysterical over trivia.

      Fortunately, most women don’t. But there is a minority that gives the rest a bad name.

    • Markus says:

      01:09pm | 04/05/11

      Men are defending the comments because they can see them for the jokes - albeit crass and disgusting - that they are, and are ridiculing Melinda for claiming they are proof of some underlying problem in all men’s attitudes that needs to be fixed.

      Given that Melinda seems to think that any male sexual attention to female physical beauty is sexist and demeaning, I have no doubt that she could list quotes until the cows come home.

      “Dave’s comment was a symptom of that tendency and he deserves to be called on it.”
      You say accusations of cherry picking are valid, yet you have just done exactly the same thing with Dave’s quote, and seem to share the same view as Melinda on this matter. Interesting…

    • Gladys says:

      01:18pm | 04/05/11

      I thought she looked marvelous.

    • Rosie says:

      01:45pm | 04/05/11

      Erick says:12:58pm | 04/05/11

      If women don’t want their concerns being dismissed as hysterical, maybe they shouldn’t get hysterical over trivia.

      Fortunately, most women don’t. But there is a minority that gives the rest a bad name.

      Erick when you have your thinking cap on the right way you are inspiring! I think it is the first time I have read a post of yours about the female species to be spot on.

      I put the blame onto the female intellgentsia section for allowing ourselves to get hysterical over how some of our men ( slobs ) behave. They just can’t help themselves but “over think” Like you say; “If women don’t want their concerns being dismissed as hysterical, maybe they shouldn’t get hysterical over trivia.”

      I am a happy female who love the adoration of the opposite sex, looking my best and flirting a little because it is good my ego. At the same time trusting myself that it won’t go any further because I have a loving husband to go home with or to. My husband who is never jealousy but proud to be married to me does and feels the same, together we are not hurting anyone and like I said good for your egos.

    • James says:

      01:56pm | 04/05/11

      bex, good lie down and a copy of Burke’s Peerage - Catherine doesn’t rate HRH she is only a Duchess. the press used to be so good about details.

    • Rosie says:

      02:13pm | 04/05/11

      Ooooooooops getting tired! jealousy instead of jealous, your instead of our in my last post. Must get off this thing but the way Pipa looked in that dress holding the hands of the little girls with flowers on their hair was worth my time spent here.

    • Slothy says:

      02:20pm | 04/05/11

      Erick - “If women don’t want their concerns being dismissed as hysterical, maybe they shouldn’t get hysterical over trivia.

      Fortunately, most women don’t. But there is a minority that gives the rest a bad name. “

      So women being offended by the statements of what you are claiming is a small minority of men = trivial and hysterical, but it’s okay for you to argue that the minority of women who speak out about their offence reflects on the whole?

      And yes Markus, I agree with the author that expressing a desire to physically harm women through sex goes beyond an expression of sexual attraction and in to sexist and demeaning. If it is meant as a joke , I don’t find it funny because it is the reality for all too many women. For the same reason it’s poor form to make ‘your mum’ jokes about orphans, it’s pretty gross to make jokes about rape and sexual violence when people are actually are being beaten and raped.

    • Torkona says:

      02:25pm | 04/05/11

      Pippa out-shone the bride unfortunately.  Not her fault, but thanks for her doing it! grin

      - tork
      Aussie Dad Blog

    • Pippas friend in spirit says:

      04:06pm | 04/05/11

      You guys couldn’t give 2 shits how her boyfriend feels about all this could you? or the fact that you are backing some really sick in the head blokes? Some of these comments are not your average mainstream norm bloke thing (I accept that), guys sure still can express themselves in my opinion last I saw one (1 hour ago). She is clearly a very nice, polite young woman, she looked beautiful at the wedding. Is it that much fun to rub mud all over her and ugly her up collectively as males? IF any of you guys who thinks this is OK actually have a girlfriend would you think it OK for this open forum on YOUR girlfriend? Or if you have a daughter, would it be OK? How does Pippas parents think/feel right now? Anyone saying this is OK, go get some serious therapy NOW, before you do something inappropriate in the future, go save yourselves bunch of wankers! Gonna talk to FB about their page on this so they can pursue legally the people responsible.

    • Brah says:

      04:06pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy - 65kg.  It really should be 60kg but 65kg for tall people.

      Do you think Pippa is upset people find her attractive? If she is, this is an issue. If she is not, this is just people finding an issue to rant due to their perceptions of their own inadequacy.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      05:08pm | 04/05/11

      @Julianne - children shouldn’t be reading comments such as this. Children shouldn’t really be on Facebook to be honest. I think if they are on Facebook, this is a larger issue than what they may or may not come across there.

    • jd says:

      12:02am | 05/05/11

      Completely agree Dave.  Pippa has an elegant figure that many of the women in oz would only dream of.  Oh, and before all the femmos get on the band wagon of disagreeing, we don’t see any complaints from the marauding band of skanks out on hens nights objectifying, nah enjoying men…...........typical skanky ozy women with double standards!!!

    • Kit Walker says:

      10:50am | 05/05/11

      The “slobbering masses” pay your wage, Melinda. Simple fact. Look closer to home - maybe your editor’s office - for the main source of glorification of sex over substance.

    • Briony says:

      06:08pm | 05/05/11

      I don’t mind guys (or girls) saying a woman has a nice arse, hot tits or whatever.  It’s when people start talking about “f-ing the sh*t out of her” or “making their mark” or “knocking her up” that I get frustrated.  Not only is it completely disrespectful, but what makes you think any female would even want a guy who talks like that?
      It’s called respect - and that’s what women want.  We don’t want to be harassed in a degrading way.  There is a difference between being degrading and complimenting somebody.  The guys who can’t figure out the difference must have a low IQ or something because it really is simple…

    • Catherine Rose says:

      03:09am | 17/05/11

      Dave, you don’t REALLY have any female friends do you?

      Brah - smashing her back doors in is ‘complimentary’? yeah you’re right, men aren’t allowed to express themselves anymore, and for very good reason.

    • Drunk Guy says:

      08:49am | 01/06/11

      I think the comments in reply to Dave here show how very little effort women have put in trying to understand what a man is and how he thinks and as men have had their role in society reduced their place in the workforce lowered and their ability to just be a male surpressed by legislation in the guise of antidiscrimination, they now want to surpress our right to appreciate the female form?  Come on ladies, admit it, you’r ebeing politically correct you don’t really want men to stop finding your various bits a turn on and letting you know it do you?

    • Erick says:

      06:02am | 04/05/11

      Oh noes, some men like pretty women! The sky is falling!

      If you demonise male sexuality, and assume that every expression of desire is some kind of threat, then you will live in a world of fear and paranoia.

      Stop hating men, and learn to cope with life.

    • Rossco says:

      07:34am | 04/05/11

      Melinda’s world revolves around profiting off fear and hatred of men, helping to demonise them while putting money in the bank.

    • KH says:

      07:37am | 04/05/11

      Thats rich, coming from you.

    • progressivesunite says:

      08:33am | 04/05/11

      Indeed. Women should learn to cope with harassment, violent porn etc shouldn’t they - and realise that any criticism of male sexuality (up to and including expressions of male sexuality that physically harm women) is ‘demonisation’ or man-hating. Men should have free reign over women’s bodies, and women should be grateful for the compliment…..

      I actually think harassment, violent porn etc are examples of woman-hating, but there you go.

    • AliceC says:

      08:39am | 04/05/11

      “I’d destroy her or at least bash her back doors in wink”

      I would take that “expression of desire” as a threat if that was said about me.

    • jf says:

      08:42am | 04/05/11

      Erick, I was all ready to respond somewhere along those lines.

      And, had the comments in relation to Pippa’s arse been similar to women’s appreciation for the Commando I would have agreed.

      I"m sure that the author and I would philosophically agree on many points in relation to just what is exploitation of and what is demeaning to women.

      However some of those comments are more demeaning to the men that wrote them than they are to women.

      As a married man with two daughters, I am embarrassed for those boys.

    • Erick says:

      08:55am | 04/05/11

      @progressivesunite - Yes, women should learn to cope with harassment, violent porn etc - just like men cope with insults and feminist hate rants. It’s called being a grown-up. I’d prefer women to be treated like adults, not sheltered like little children.

      I’d say feminism is a form of man-hating, and highly offensive, but in a free society I have to put up with seeing things I don’t like.

      @AliceC - A very small child or a retarded person might see that comment as a threat. However, no reasonable adult would. I expect women to behave like the latter.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:58am | 04/05/11

      Well said, Erick.

      Men like hot women and like looking at hot women and like having sex with hot women. There’s nothing wrong with that.

      If you can’t handle this then maybe you should move to Mars or somewhere there are no men.

      Remember, your father thought your mother was a hot piece of arse and that’s why you are here.

    • progressivesunite says:

      09:47am | 04/05/11

      @ Erick - the trouble is, it’s not just comments or the male equivalent of so called “feminist hate rants” that women are subjected to - women feel threatened by men making sexually violent comments because women know that some men actually carry these acts out - and taking the time to work out whether a man is all hot air or not can cost a woman her life - some women actually get raped, bashed, murdered in sadistic attacks…it’s not always just talk…

    • erbert says:

      10:03am | 04/05/11

      Erick, perhaps you should try going to a Men’s Group where you can work through your phobias about women.

    • Bilby says:

      10:07am | 04/05/11

      jf - “However some of those comments are more demeaning to the men that wrote them than they are to women.

      As a married man with two daughters, I am embarrassed for those boys.”

      Those were my thoughts pretty much verbatim. Sad little boys making bullshit tough guy pronouncements on the internets. Of course it also made me renew my mini-gun licence and think about updating my automated perimeter defense system. Little fuckers come anywhere near my place and we’ll see who needs a wheelchair! (You know… now I see it! This spouting stuff is fun wink )

    • Liz says:

      10:40am | 04/05/11

      no Melinda speaks for women who dont want to be hurt or abused verbally or physically by men who surround themselves with porn culture - a standard that not all men stoop to

    • Bev says:

      11:18am | 04/05/11

      progressivesunite says:08:33am | 04/05/11

      Which is worse sexist remarks by men or hate speach by feminists?
      A couple of examples (there are many more):
      ‘I have little sympathy for men. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.’
      Marilyn French feminist

      “I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.”
      Andrea Dworkin, feminist.

      How about the idea that men have no sexual freedom and are slaves to womens wishes?
      “So, how do we control men’s fertility? Mandatory contraception beginning at puberty, with the rule relaxed only for procreation under the right circumstances (he can afford it and has a willing partner) and for the right reasons (determined by a panel of experts, and with the permission of his designated female partner).”
      Martha Burk feminist pro-abortion advocate.

      Mens careers and lives are regularly destroyed by sexist remarks even quite mild ones, eg two British soccer commentators recently.  I dont see any feminist careers and lives destroyed by feminist hate speach or bile.

    • mike j says:

      11:21am | 04/05/11

      progressivesunite: “women feel threatened by men making sexually violent comments because women know that some men actually carry these acts out”

      Men aren’t responsible for the paranoia of weak women. It is the law that protects you from sexual violence, not other people’s opinions.

      Some women set men’s genitalia on fire while they sleep. But when women make their obligatory penis-harm jokes, men don’t blubber on about it like helpless victims and demand their own cabinet portfolio.

      Male sexual desire is not a crime.

    • Markus says:

      11:25am | 04/05/11

      “I would take that “expression of desire” as a threat if that was said about me.”
      The comment actually went as far as writing the word ‘wink’ instead of using the emoticon for a wink, and you still didn’t get the hint that the comment was taking the piss?

    • Rosie says:

      11:43am | 04/05/11

      Erick

      Yeap women must cope with men’s clumsy vanity; “Men want to be woman first love but women want men to be their last love” Kudos to the person that said it first.

    • Slothy says:

      11:47am | 04/05/11

      mikej: “Men aren’t responsible for the paranoia of weak women. It is the law that protects you from sexual violence, not other people’s opinions.”

      Sorry mikej, just to clarify - are you trying to say that women who have experienced rape, assault, murder, are weak?  Nice victim-blaming there. Or that they’re weak to be paranoid about it, which, it’s not really paranoid when it’s a completely legitimate fear, what with the whole people actually being, you know, raped all the effing time and all.

      Given the abysmal rate of rape convictions, I don’t think the law does much to prevent sexual violence at all. ‘People’s opinions’ prevent rape from actually happening, the law punishes after the damage has been done -  IF you can prove it and IF you have what it takes to go through the trial process, and IF the perpetrator actually gets a legitimate sentence.

    • Belle says:

      12:00pm | 04/05/11

      It’s not about hating men. It’s not about demonising their sexuality. It’s about the basic respect of keeping your thoughts to yourself - why is your right to expression more valid than a woman’s right not to have to be subjected to unwelcome, inappropriate comments?

      By learning to cope with life, are you suggesting women need to learn to cope with any sexual expression men feel like making?

    • Muttley says:

      12:07pm | 04/05/11

      that is an excellent example of generalising Rosie. Well done. Is it just you that does it or is it all women? Oops, did i generalise about women? Oh no….

    • Bev says:

      12:09pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy says:11:47am | 04/05/11

      Given the abysmal rate of rape convictions, I don’t think the law does much to prevent sexual violence at all. ‘People’s opinions’ prevent rape from actually happening, the law punishes after the damage has been done -  IF you can prove it and IF you have what it takes to go through the trial process, and IF the perpetrator actually gets a legitimate sentence.

      The number of convictions for rape has remained very similar over many years.  What has changed is the number of cases brought before the courts. Cases that are very weak and have little hope of success resulting in a drop in successful convictions.

      http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rapke-blasted-over-sex-cases-20110423-1dsd8.html
      In a searing attack that will further inflame tensions between himself
      and Mr Rapke, Gavin Silbert, SC, said the OPP’s practice of pursuing
      weak cases with little prospect of success had led to a drop in
      convictions and an increase in the number of cases being withdrawn
      before trial.

    • Markus says:

      12:10pm | 04/05/11

      “Sorry mikej, just to clarify - are you trying to say that women who have experienced rape, assault, murder, are weak?  Nice victim-blaming there.”
      Nice comprehension fail there!

      So Slothy, women have the right to be paranoid that every man is potentially going to rape them at any time because of a small minority of offenders against a small minority of women? You would be one of those weak-minded people that Mike J is talking about.

    • Markus says:

      12:14pm | 04/05/11

      @Belle, there is no given right to not be offended.

      “By learning to cope with life, are you suggesting women need to learn to cope with any sexual expression men feel like making?”
      Provided they are breaking no law in doing so, then yes. That is exactly what we are saying.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:16pm | 04/05/11

      @Belle - yes.  Because people will never, ever stop saying things that are inappropriate.  And the bigger person will ignore it and walk away, because the men who do such things are like 3 year olds - any attention, posiive or negative, will do.

    • Slothy says:

      12:22pm | 04/05/11

      Your point Bev? I am not saying the low conviction rate is right or wrong -it is very hard to prove a rape case and I even said on a thread yesterday that I believed that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is important enought that it would be unjust for my own abuser to be convicted on the evidence I am able to provide.

      My point is that mike j’s claim that the law protects women, not people’s opinion is not valid since the difficulties in securing a rape conviction means the law is not very effective at punishing rapists. Therefore we do have to care about society’s view of women because ending the normalisation of rape is the only real way to prevent it.

    • mike j says:

      12:27pm | 04/05/11

      Yes Slothy, that’s what I’m trying to say. Not what I actually wrote.

      What you are demonstrating is typical victim behaviour. “Oh, woe! Something bad has happened to me! Everyone please pay attention and modify your otherwise perfectly legal behaviours to make me feel better!”

      Paranoia is paranoia regardless of where it comes from.

    • Slothy says:

      12:35pm | 04/05/11

      “Nice reading comprehension fail there!”

      Well Markus, if you actually believed your own outrage about cherry-picking statements, you’d notice that the second part of my comment addressed the alternative interpretation of Mike J’s comment, that women are weak for being paranoid about rape.

      To which I reiterate, it isn’t paranoia if it actually happens. All the time.

      Also, clarification from someone who isn’t the original author of the comment isn’t very helpful. My question to Mike J still stands.

    • Luce says:

      12:35pm | 04/05/11

      And now I’ve gone back to not liking Erick and his ridiculous double standards.

      The guys who wrote the FB comments in this article are pigs, and despite what some men on this page say, those acts are actually carried out by some men and instead “growing up and stopping hating men” I will instead say its unacceptable to treat women like pieces of meat. Guys who disagree with me are just as much of a pig as the FB commenters.

      I don’t necessarily agree with feminism because everyone should just be treated equally. But men who react to feminism by trying to put women in their “rightful” place only serve to justify and vindicate what feminists were trying to do in the first place. And its a massive sign of weakness on the men’s behalf.

      Thankfully there are men and women out there who don’t see life as a battle of the sexes and instead choose to treat other properly.

      Its everyone else that needs to grow up.

    • Rosie says:

      12:52pm | 04/05/11

      @ Muttley

      Take it with a grain of salt and use your imagination.

      So much generalization going on here that I don’t want to get into. To link Pipa’s sublime beauty into a sex object shown by slobbery comments made by uncouth individuals, is what makes it offensive to me. To link rape, ego, male and female rights, wants, needs etc etc is not something I want to get into. I posted the comment below in another thread;

      “A pornographic stigma only the slobs could attach to a female who mesmerized her audience because she looked angleic and beautiful in the most gorgeous dress that accentuated her slender figure was not only crude but disrespectful.”

    • mike j says:

      01:14pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy, speaking of cherrypicking comments, do you have any position on the counterexample I gave regarding how mainstream it is to threaten violence to a man’s genitalia?

      I can threaten to kick a man in the nuts, or to chop his dick off, and it’s perfectly okay. I can even threaten to kill someone and it’s presumed to be hyperbole.

      But threaten to rape a woman, however facetiously, and you’re a monster.

      Fact: rape < murder. Only in the apologist feminist West would it be treated otherwise.

    • michael j says:

      01:34pm | 04/05/11

      @Erick-i find your’e comments archaic and unsuitable for the P.C modern world,,,but i agree with them totality ,,
      I also have this fantasy about Hillary Clinton that just gets worse by the day
      especially when they show that clip of her watching Binny get shot in the head ,,,,arr what could have been,sometimes it’s nice to dream,,,,,,,,

    • Rosie says:

      02:00pm | 04/05/11

      Yes michael j with some of the comments made here by some of us have encouraged outrageous comments from the likes of you.

      “Ignorance is bliss” to my female counter parts and pray allow the opposite species to rant and rave because we have become a threat in their male chauvinist world.

    • Slothy says:

      02:29pm | 04/05/11

      mike j - personally I am not a fan of trivialising physical or sexual violence towards anybody, regardless of gender, and I put penis harm jokes in that category.

      Sadly, I only have so much time to devote to arguing, so I need to prioritise my battles. This article is on the objectification and dehumanisation of women, which impacts on me directly, so I’m naturally more invested in the debate. That said, if you want to write an article on the damage done by penis harm jokes I’ll happily read it and agree.

    • Kevin says:

      02:30pm | 04/05/11

      LOL vintage Eric:
      “Stop hating men, and learn to cope with life.”
      The irony is delicious.
      ” just like men cope with insults and feminist hate rants. It’s called being a grown-up.”
      How are you coping Eric?

    • Erick says:

      03:00pm | 04/05/11

      I’m coping just fine,Kevin.

      I love exposing the hypocrisy of feminism, and giving back a little of the sexist abuse men have received over the years. Jeez, those misandrists sure don’t like their own medicine very much, do they? XD

    • Sal says:

      03:10pm | 04/05/11

      Nothing like taking the high road is there Erick.

    • mike j says:

      03:12pm | 04/05/11

      You’re ‘more interested’ in the objectification and dehumanisation of women, than in acknowledging the corresponding objectification and dehumanisation of men? Bravo. Maybe you should prioritise some easier battles in future.

      This article, Slothy, is about a chick whose arse looked good in that, and another chick whose arse probably doesn’t, who has launched into an overcompensating failrage about the objectification of women.

      The day there’s an article about how hurtful penis jokes are is the day men can’t get attention by just naturally being rad, and have to resort to the self-serving victim mentality that you girls seem to rely upon.

    • Sarah says:

      12:43am | 05/05/11

      @Erick ‘I’d say feminism is a form of man-hating, and highly offensive, but in a free society I have to put up with seeing things I don’t like.’

      Are male feminists ‘men hater’s’ in your opinion?

    • John says:

      10:42am | 05/05/11

      Erick - stop being afraid of women and find one that will let you lose your virginity with her.

    • Gaz says:

      06:28am | 04/05/11

      Perverts? Yes. Royalists? Yes. Right royal Perverts? Absolutely

    • S.L says:

      07:04am | 04/05/11

      I’m probably spoilt in the “hot arse” department as I live within walking distance of a beach, so the sight of her rear end caused barely a ripple in my house.
      Sure Pippa is an attractive woman but the question that will be up there in years to come with “where’s Elvis?”, “who shot JFK?” and “did man really walk on the moon?” is ............“did she go commando?”

    • thatmosis says:

      07:13am | 04/05/11

      It wasnt a bad arse but the dress also showed the saddle bags forming. Seen better. As a purveyer of the female form for over 60 years, or a dirty old man, whichever floats your boat, I often do eye aerobics whilst out and about and have had the priveledge of seeing some tuely spectatular arses although I must admit that the last decade it has been very difficult as the lard arse seem to becoming prevelant and the mods of dress leave a lot to be desired. The Plumbers look is not a good look ladies.

    • Brah says:

      09:57am | 04/05/11

      Keep up the good work That.  Sounds like a good life you have led.

    • get real says:

      08:59am | 11/06/11

      I have to agree with you thatmosis. Pippa was a pretty young lady in a nice dress. I don’t see why this is still being discussed.

      Also, the prevalence of people in inappropriate attire is utterly appalling. Guys with manboobs in tight t-shirts. Women with blubber-butts wearing tights as pants. Get a grip Australia - dress appropriately.

      But, I do have to thank some of these people. In the last two weeks I have been pushed for time, and was going to get lunch at the drive-through (of three different chain food outlets). My saving grace each time was seeing a morbidly obese woman standing outside the store, wearing tights as pants and a short, tight t-shirt, shoving some of this crap in her mouth, These nauseating sights gave me a reality check, reminding me exactly why I shouldn’t be eating that garbage.

    • Louise says:

      07:22am | 04/05/11

      Thanks for this Melinda. Had been thinking a similar thing myself. The above comments confirm that Neanderthals do still live in the community.

    • Carter says:

      08:23am | 04/05/11

      And for all the comments about the “hotness’ of William and Harry? Plenty of them out there… No word on women objectifying men (even if the comments aren’t as gratuitous the intent is the same)?

    • Super D says:

      09:29am | 04/05/11

      As a long time admirer of the female form I can see why the males of the world are enamored by Pippa Middleton’s bum.  The thing that I think is amazing is that people would post these comments with their real names on facebook - where all their friends and families can see them - especially the more assertive comments by men who will never get within touching distance of the future Queen’s sisters’ tush.

      To me the story is not that Pippa Middleton has a nice bum nor that men appreciate it - if you leave the meat uncovered it will get noticed - the story is that there are certain members of society so lacking in decorum that they will put their name to misogynistic expressions of their base desires.

    • George says:

      09:57am | 04/05/11

      I’m sure Pippa’ is fully aware of how her ‘arse’ will look like in that wedding dress befroe she even put it on.

      I am also very certain that the wedding dress she wore was made in such a way that her ‘arse’ will be pronounced and she knows it.

      Otherwise she wouldn’t have worn that dress!!!

      Why?  Because she has an ‘arse’ to show and she probably didn’t mind the attention.

      So to all those women and men who take or took offence at the tsunami of admiration and verbalisation of desire regarding Ms Pippa’s arse, bad luck you, too bad so sad!

    • Erin says:

      10:28am | 04/05/11

      Calling other dudes misogynist in the same sentence you compare women to uncovered meat. Outstanding.

    • Phil says:

      10:40am | 04/05/11

      Super D well said.

      As I said below imagine writting that you want to “damage her rear” then turning up that weekend to take your girlfriend (if they had one, me thinks Pink’s song U & Ur Hand is appropriate friday nights for many) or on a date to have her father smack you in the mouth.

      As I have said to my wife, nothing wrong with admiring the female form, look but dont touch and why not eat fillet stake at home rather than mutton on the street. Mind you I dont know any real man who wouldnt prefer a night with Jen Hawkins to Jenny George.

      Whats the money she is proposed to ASAP by the boyfriends eager to take her off the market.

    • Emma says:

      04:29pm | 04/05/11

      I agree, the article exposes some dangerous attitudes towards women misrepresented as ‘compliments’ - more alarmingly though are some of the responses above attacking Melinda

    • Curious says:

      07:27am | 04/05/11

      Just curious Melinda, what would your reaction have been if it was say the glorification of say Hugh Jackmans Pecks, by a legion of 14 year old girls?
      Or if a lesbian site was created in “honour” of this lady’s behind?
      My guess is probably nothing.
      But like i said just curious!

    • progressivesunite says:

      08:25am | 04/05/11

      In both cases, I don’t think you’d find the 14 year old girls or the lesbians talking about ‘making their mark’ or about the object of their desire “needing a wheelchair and a straw when I’m done”....

    • Steve M says:

      10:41am | 04/05/11

      no i’m sure you wont hear those comments. But i am equally sure there will be a small number who will take their expressions of appreciation/desire too far. Just as here….

    • Tim says:

      10:44am | 04/05/11

      progressivesunite,
      you obviously haven’t seen the way some young girls talk these days.

    • Dave-o says:

      11:34am | 04/05/11

      @progressiveunite,

      You seem to be unwilling to accept that only a handful of comments on a page with over 168,000 people are violent. Firstly you ignore the basic internet rule of “cyberdisinhibtion” which has roughly the same as being three sheets to the wind. Secondly the internet fame vehicle. To be a standout on the internet people aim to have the MOST shocking point of view.

      Most of these comments that have your knickers in a twist are probably made by unemployed accountants who’s idea of “violent sex” is bumping heads in the back seat of his Mum’s corolla.

    • Tator says:

      02:01pm | 04/05/11

      Dave-O,
      more likely 30 year old 300 lb WOW veterans with long greasy hair who still live with their mothers, which is apparently the description of the 72 virgins who are now allegedly going to be in heaven to meet Osama Bin-Laden as their second act.

    • Jeremy says:

      07:33am | 04/05/11

      Perhaps a distinction could be made between the comments that were compliments and the comments that proposed assault.

    • Economist says:

      07:51am | 04/05/11

      Totally agree. MTR has simply highlighted a few morons that have overly sexualised the situation. Most men and women can surely acknowledge someone’s attractiveness without being labelled a pervert. This sort of constant criticism undermines genuine young men from expressing anything towards women for fear of reprisal.

      MTR,I could equally judge the sisterhood with many no doubt saying, she’s more attractive then her sister, or how dare she wear a cream/white dress and show up her sister on her special day, to saying, what bitch, without even knowing her.

    • Nic says:

      09:42am | 04/05/11

      Agreed. As a man, I find those comments abhorrent. It is really quite disturbing to see young men willing to make such statements so publicly.

    • Catherine Rose says:

      03:38pm | 16/05/11

      The Facebook page is ‘Ass Appreciation Society’ not ‘Pippa Middleton Appreciation society’ or EVEN ‘Pippa Middleton Attractive Appreciation’

      Ass. Appreciation.

    • Dark Horse says:

      07:42am | 04/05/11

      I didn’t take specific notice of her rear region, but as a whole package I thought she looked absolutely wonderful. Nice dress, nice shape, lovely hair and quite attractive, but hey, I see lovely women in my supermarket every visit.

      And let’s face it, there’s a greater chance of meeting one of the supermarket women than some icon from overseas.

    • Budz says:

      07:47am | 04/05/11

      Melinda, this has nothing to do with ponography becoming more popular or whatever crap you are peddling. This is the way guys think when they see an attractive female, and have for hundreds of thousands of years. The only difference is we have an almost anonymous way to share our true feelings with the rest of the world without being ostricised.
      While men appreciate the physical nature of women, women appreciate the wealth and status of Prince William and wish they were a ‘princess’ too.

    • AliceC says:

      08:42am | 04/05/11

      Does that mean they have to “destroy her”?

    • Erick says:

      08:59am | 04/05/11

      AliceC, learn to cope with the idea of metaphorical language. Also, man up and stop being such a little girl.

    • Budz says:

      09:30am | 04/05/11

      That term “destroy” means that would like to sleep with her in an aggressive manner. I personally don’t see a problem with that. Some women like it soft, some like it hard, and some like it in any form. Much the same as men. Is there a prblem here?
      Again the problem I see is that women don’t like the way men think.

    • Tim says:

      10:46am | 04/05/11

      Alice C,
      did you skip the day they taught metaphors at school?

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:56am | 04/05/11

      Well said, too, Budz. Absolutely spot in every way, even the comment about women liking a man’s wealth and status.

      AliceC - learn to read things critically and don’t take everything literally. I hope you don’t say you’re going out to get smashed with the actual intent of crashing. Or maybe you’re hungy enough to eat a horse!

    • Kate says:

      01:48pm | 04/05/11

      It’s completely understandable that women are offended by language which refers to “destroying” a female and putting her in a wheel chair.  Women are more likely to be victims of sexual abuse and rape and generally speaking women are not as physically big and strong as men.  Therefore women do feel threatened by such language.  How often do you hear of a group of women or girls gang raping a male?  Of course women are more vulnerable.  Many men don’t want to admit this because they enjoy watching violent porn and have bought into the lie spread by the porn industry that women enjoy it too.  Whatever happened to men being gentle and kind towards women and treating us with respect?  You can’t possibly claim that everything men do, women do also.  Why is it that whenever there is a police bust of a child porn ring it is always men who are arrested?  Why, if men and women are the same as you’d like everyone to believe is this the case?

    • Ricky says:

      05:52pm | 04/05/11

      Kate, you ask what happened to “to men being gentle and kind towards women and treating us with respect?” The feminist movement happened which told men to treat women the same way we treat men ie: equality. As such when a gorup of men get together, the chat normally turns to making jokes about each other as well as rude comments too and about each other. it’s the way Men have treated Men for eons, we will always look for the “bottom” joke or “burp” moment because they are funny. You may say this is childish, but thats the way it is.Men dig the $h*t out of each other, feminism demands we treat women as we treat men, guess what, expect gutter level humour, childish behaviour, do not now be asking to be treated differently when for the last 50 years women like Melinda have demanded equality.

    • Lord of the Flies says:

      06:41pm | 04/05/11

      Kate. Men rely on guidance from good women such as yourself Kate. We get into trouble when left to our own devices.

    • Kate says:

      07:23pm | 04/05/11

      Ricky, I take your point about the feminist movement demanding that women be treated the same as men.  I think it’s incredibly sad that younger women such as myself weren’t around when the feminist movement began and we never got to have a say in all of this.  In actual fact radical feminists are a small minority of the female population, they do not represent the vast majority of us.  I believe that men and women are equal but different, different but equal.  By equal I mean that we deserve the same rights, respect and opportunities. We are equal in our dignity as human beings.  Equality does not mean sameness.

      Also, I don’t think it is only feminism that has caused this cultural problem of disrespect for women.  I think pornography has played a HUGE role in diminishing respect for women.  Especially the ultra violent stuff which is around now and conditions men to believe women enjoy it and want it.  The porn industry also victimises men as it gets them hooked and then makes huge amounts of money by keeping them hooked on it.  It’s not good for men or women!

    • Danielle says:

      08:04pm | 04/05/11

      What Kate said.

      Spot on.

    • Direct says:

      10:29pm | 04/05/11

      Kate,

      The reason why men believe that women enjoy aggressive sex is because they do. Over 60% of women have had a rape fantasy with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19085605

    • Arcadia says:

      11:05pm | 05/05/11

      @ Ricky: “You may say this is childish, but thats the way it is.Men dig the $h*t out of each other, feminism demands we treat women as we treat men, guess what, expect gutter level humour, childish behaviour, do not now be asking to be treated differently when for the last 50 years women like Melinda have demanded equality.”

      So Ricky, I can then safely assume that this means you threaten (jokingly of course!) your male friends with sexual violence also?  Ah, boys will be boys!

      Women suffer from sexual violence at a far higher rate than men.  Most of that violence is perpetrated by men.  It’s hardly paranoia when women grow very concerned when they hear men say they’d like to “destroy” a woman or leave her wheelchair-bound when they’re done.

      Link to stats: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbytitle/A19F3C10F18B5DE1CA2575CA00244A5D?OpenDocument

    • lee says:

      04:51pm | 15/06/11

      The problem is not the appreciating but how it is expressed. I am sure you would tell you sister or mother that she looked nice in an outfit but would not use some of the comments in the article. I am also sure those making the crass comments would never dare to say it to her in person. Commenting someone looked beautiful or even hot is very different from stating you would like to F*** her until she needed a wheelchair

    • Soothing tankard says:

      07:49am | 04/05/11

      I think you need a tankard of some smoothing liquid. “Objectivisation of women.”  Just say that around a few blokes and they’ll all run a mile. You can then have the field to your self.

      I mean, really. Can any readers explain how this column adds anything to anything. Come on anything at all. Is this a volunteer contribution site or do people actually get paid for writing this nonsense. Let me guess. Honours Degree in Women’s studies? Major in media?
      You know they want to increase the number of university places?
      “Off topic,” you say. Not if this is any sample of the current output, it isn’t.

    • Sarah M says:

      09:05am | 04/05/11

      Actually it does contribute to the ongoing discussion and highlighting of a serious cultural issue.
      It may/may not be created/increased by porn, but WHY is it acceptable to make comments such as the wheel chair one? Add to that the number of men jumping to the defense of these people.
      Many of these men, urhm ERIK, have done the same thing they criticize Tankard Reist for, they have jumped in and critisesed her because they know who she is, not on the basis of the information.
      Surely they don’t support agressive and abusive behaviour/language from anyone, male or female.
      The comments were/are disgusting, but argue that the comments should be taken down and a ‘respectful’ site maintained.
      Don’t attack Reist for making a point. PROVIDE AND ARGUMENT

    • Aaron says:

      10:23am | 04/05/11

      While I personally wouldn’t make comments like the wheelchair one, lets take the comments apart here and look at what they are actually about:

      Wheelchair + straw: Guy thinks he is endowed enough that it would make walking difficult and would give her lockjaw.

      Destroy + bash: Once again guy believes he is well endowed and would vigorously have intercourse with her.

      The comments do not promote assault, they do not promote rape, they do not promote violence of any sort.

      Melinda: If you are not comfortable with the idea of certain sex acts then that’s fine, but don’t try to tell the rest of us what to think, I do actually know women who enjoy those types of comments.

      If this is an issue for you then go one step further delve into the world of BDSM where the majority of Ds are women who get off treating men like trash and let’s see an article denouncing the way these women act towards the men and how they only see men as a piece of meat.

      FYI: The above was not to be taken as my views towards women but rather an example of where Melinda’s article can be applied to women

    • Tubesteak says:

      11:09am | 04/05/11

      Interesting (and disgusting) world you live in Sarah M.

      If you don’t like something that has been pre-approved as being acceptable then it must be removed and taken down.

      How about taking things with a grain of salt and using your intelligence to assess whether a man will put you in a wheelchair.

      Hint: if he has a lot of tattoos, a criminal record and minimal employment prospects then he’s probably not very good relationship material

    • Slothy says:

      12:13pm | 04/05/11

      Aaron -“Wheelchair + straw: Guy thinks he is endowed enough that it would make walking difficult and would give her lockjaw.”

      So you’re saying it’s not a crudely expressed compliment after all, but a guy bragging about his cock size. Make up your mind.

      What it actually is is a guy saying that he considers himself to be well-endowed - and that he wants to hurt a woman with that endowment. Yes there are people that are in to BDSM, which may include a pain component, but the key part of what makes BDSM okay is that it is consensual. It is a highly specific kind and you cannot foist that identity on somebody. Saying that it is okay to talk about putting a specific person in a wheelchair through sex because some women are in to pain is like saying it’s okay to talk about raping a specific person because some women have rape fantasies.

    • Erick says:

      01:28pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy - please learn about the concept of “metaphor”, often referred to in this thread.

    • Slothy says:

      02:40pm | 04/05/11

      Erick - (Arguable) metaphors that evoke violence against women for laughs. Sign me up.

    • Tim says:

      03:00pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy,
      did you ever think that the 15 year old boys using those metaphors are doing so just to get a rise out of offence merchants like yourself?
      If you are that easy to troll, then you probably shouldn’t be on the internet.

    • Tom says:

      03:15pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy, it appears that your life’s calling is to be permanently offended. And let me say, you are very good at it.

    • Slothy says:

      03:21pm | 04/05/11

      15 year old boys don’t bother me. Reportedly adult men defending their statements and vile world views on the other hand? Yeah, I’ll snatch a few minutes here and there during a dull day of spreadsheet wrangling to challenge some pretty gross groupthink.

    • Tim says:

      03:46pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy,
      do you apply your own slant and meaning onto everything you read on the internet?
      You must spend your entire life in an absolute muck lather of offence.

      Not one person here is defending the literal version of the comments, and if you think they are then maybe the problem is with you.
      What people ARE saying is:
      a) Get a grip and understand metaphor
      b) Realise that you have no right to not be offended
      c) Respect is not a given
      d) The internet is the troll’s playground
      e) a few random internet comments does not signify societal beliefs
      f) men like women’s arses
      g) men’s sexual desires are not wrong or evil.

      Why do you have a problem with these things?

    • Slothy says:

      04:57pm | 04/05/11

      a) I understand metaphor just fine. Do you understand that just because something is a metaphor, that doesn’t mean it can’t be offensive? The infamous ‘uncovered meat’ metaphor is offensive. Using violent sexual imagery to convey attraction is offensive. The images you choose to evoke have meaning too.

      b) I have no right to not be offended, yes. But that also means I have the right to tell people they are being offensive. Notice nowhere have I said that this kind of language should be outlawed or anything, just that it’s offensive. You can say what you like, I can tell you you’re full of it. Free speech works both ways.

      c) And?

      d) Again, and? I’m not writing this to change your mind - those of you who aren’t trolls are way too attached to your misogyny to ever change. But maybe a lurker or two will read this, think ‘hmm, got a point there’ and continue on their way a little less full of internalised misogyny.

      e) Somebody above me has already said these comments can be found on any number of websites. Sounds pretty pervasive to me.

      f and d) No problems here. I like women’s arses too. And I’m pretty in to men’s sexual desires. Again, there is a difference between appreciation and dehumanisation.

      In conclusion - you seem to exist in a perpetual state of demanding to be allowed to use images of sexual violence to express your desires. If you can’t handle being called on your shit, maybe you shouldn’t be on the internet.

    • Tim says:

      09:59am | 05/05/11

      “In conclusion - you seem to exist in a perpetual state of demanding to be allowed to use images of sexual violence to express your desires. If you can’t handle being called on your shit, maybe you shouldn’t be on the internet. “

      Seriously,
      where do you get this shit from?
      Do you have some extra sense that can read things that aren’t written in other people’s comments?
      Not once have I said, i approve of or use the type of language that was used in these comments.
      People like yourself who need to make stuff up to be offended are the reason that a large proportion of men can’t stand feminists.

    • lils says:

      08:03am | 04/05/11

      Ah the royal wedding…i missed it all, and it appears I have been spared all the traditionalist misogynistic displays that come with it.  When we talk about the oppression of women, or how women in other parts of the world are subjugated, objectified etc, it never occurs to us enlightened beings in the west here that we continue such practices, just in different ways.  The objectification of women is alive and well.

    • Erick says:

      08:40am | 04/05/11

      ProTip: The definition of “misogyny” is not “whatever lils doesn’t like”.

      It’s only a perversion of the feminist mindset that misinterprets any male attraction to women as hatred. How distorted must your view be if you see a compliment as an attack?

    • Sarah M says:

      09:24am | 04/05/11

      I’m sorry, you express attraction through wanting to put someone in a wheel chair?
      I don’t find the website offensive, I find some of the comments offensive.
      “Big Matty chambers” (wheel chair guy) wants to cause someone else pain for his own gratification and that is a compliment and not misogynistic?
      Again, argue that the offensive behavior (Personally I find that to be the comments that purport to do harm to someone) is condemned by the majority of males and that this is an over reaction to a disproportionately small minority of A-holes. 
      All you are doing Erik is supporting the lowlifes and creeps that make those comments.

    • Phil says:

      09:32am | 04/05/11

      actually lils, on this point I agree with Erick. Currently whatever you think of the monarchy, old Lizzy is the queen bee, poor old Philly walks way behind her, never with her, well unless they are walking into the church together. Mind you it could be a ploy if ever there was an attempt to take her out he could be spared.

      Like Karl I recon my wife has a great arse and tell her often. Many others would not like its shape, but I dont care.

      Like you I didnt watch it, and was pissed at the ARU for only having one game on that night with only Kiwi teams.

      What I would like to know is why all the blokes were watching the royal wedding for.

      For every comment on FB about her rear, I am sure many women comment on Harry’‘s package and what he would be like to shag. Mind you what d..heads to on facebook unless you are using an alias, why comment on wanting to damage her rear. Think it if you must but keep it to yourself.

      The dopes will turn up to date someones daughter to have the door slammed in their face or earring removed like a mate of mine did to a 29 year old trying to date (read other things) his 15 year old glamour step daughter.

      jf I am not embarrassed for them, I pity them.

    • Lils says:

      11:15am | 04/05/11

      Erick you right, the things I don’t like are often labelled misogyny because there’s so much of it, it so offends me when women are reduced to body parts. Of course women can take compliments. And sometimes depending on the context, ie in privacy or between two people who know each other well, or maybe in awkward social settings a comment like “hey babe, god you got a great ass” maybe inappropriate but could be forgiven. But for a woman to be reduced to just this asset is quite demeaning.

    • Markus says:

      11:31am | 04/05/11

      Agreed Phil, who was the genius that arranged the Super Rugby draw to have only one game in the Aus/NZ timezone that night!?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:25pm | 04/05/11

      Women secretly love being objectified. Just like the majority of them secretly love the idea of being raped. It’s a throwback to our monkey past and isn’t about to change any time soon.

    • mike j says:

      03:24pm | 04/05/11

      Corollary to that, SSR:

      All women love to be objectified, but only by attractive guys.

      Case study: Woman appears in public with half her tits hanging out, a skirt so short it shows arse crease, and her G-banger creeping up onto her tramp stamp.

      Hot guy stares at her… mission accomplished.

      Ugly guy stares at her… he’s a perverted creep.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      03:56pm | 04/05/11

      Bingo.

    • Kylie says:

      07:08pm | 04/05/11

      Sad sad delusional fool. This is the most offensive comment yet.
      Promoting the delusion that women enjoy being objectified and raped to young men is the main objection that women like Melinda, myself and many others have about these forums.
      If there are women who think they enjoy being objectified it is possibly because their thinking has been distorted by our culture.

    • nossy says:

      08:05am | 04/05/11

      Dearst Melinda I am one of those slobbering masses you speak off ! Shes gorgeous and her bum is one dreams are made of - at least wet ones anyway !  hahahaha Seriously Melinda she wil now be able to pick and choose suitors given the wonderful free publicity she has obtained during the Royal Wedding - perhaps another Royal may make a move on her - I would say her currrent “commoner” boyfriend is cactus !

    • Phil says:

      11:08am | 04/05/11

      Nossy I find myself in unfirmiliar territory in agreeing with part of your piece. My money is that the current bloke will put the hard word on her for the M ASAP

    • Your name:Michael says:

      02:33pm | 04/05/11

      ladies may i suggest that if women would like mens attitudes towards women to change that women be more involved in the sexual education of their sons. Don’t leave it to boys to find out from other boys about sexuality, this is where alot of the bravado and stupid comments or expressions of desire come from.

      Men could also be more involved with teaching their daughters about males and sexuality.  Some serious thought needs to be given to the level of emotional support shared amongst men, our “brotherhood” is about “hardening up” and not being emotionally vulnerable, a direct opposite from the “sisterhood” women seem to enjoy, mostly.

      Every slob or wanker or misogynist was a mother’s little boy once, did you teach your boys how to treat women other than their mum?

      Then the next generation of boys will become the men women would prefer, and men would finally be released from their own dodgy macho prison and we can sit and have a hug and talk about how we feel, instead of trying to maintain an embarrassing icon of maleness, The blokey bloke.

    • Markus says:

      04:26pm | 04/05/11

      @Michael:
      They tried that. We now have a generation of males who think that sexual attraction to a female is completely demeaning to who they are as a person, and that they should be emotionally open, encouraging and respectful to all women.
      Funnily enough, we also have a generation of females whinging that there are no “real men” left in the world…

    • BK says:

      06:40pm | 04/05/11

      @Michael

      All the lectures in the world mean nothing while douchbags always get the girl. Boys learn this by the time they leasve school.

    • Kebabpete says:

      08:07am | 04/05/11

      Two of The Biggest Loser contestants during a role reversal stunt last week made a male trainer remove his shirt to train just so they and the viewing public could, “have some eye candy”.  Then Monday night at the finale they made reference to it again and the roar from the female contingent in the crowd was deafening.

      You want equality? Then stop singling out cases like this because it makes you look like a try hard feminist prude.

    • TChong says:

      08:28am | 04/05/11

      KP - without very selective outrage , the average Feminist is left with nothing, and they know it.
      Hence the popularity to brand any disagreement with Feminism as part of the violence Feminists are so busy martyring for.
      To disagree, or point out the obvios hypocracy in any way gets the immediate label of misogyny.

    • TugboatBen says:

      08:42am | 04/05/11

      You watch The Biggest Loser?

      Seriously?

    • Kebabpete says:

      08:58am | 04/05/11

      @Tugboat Ben, What can i say? I like a nice ass, and I like to laugh at fat people. I guess that makes me, umm, ahh, well… a normal bloke? wink

    • Sarah M says:

      09:16am | 04/05/11

      I think there is a slight difference between “take your shirt off, we want eye candy” and “she’ll need a wheel chair and I straw when I’m finished with her”.
      And it would be nice if it was selective, but remember the Sydney college students that had a FB site that promoted rape and non-consenting sex?
      TChong not sure what women did to you but you are almost in Erik’s categories these days. Criticize people where they get it wrong, go on to FB look at the site and come and tell us about all the moral outrage that has been posted in response to such comments. Then you have proven Reist wrong rather than just sounding the monotonous “feminists are out to get us bell” you prove nothing and make no valid argument, you are therefore tenfold worse than Reist.

    • TChong says:

      10:16am | 04/05/11

      Sarah - you prove the point .
      What is it about Feminism , that no dissent can be tolerated?
      Inane stupid comments can be found at any number of sites, the ones mentioned in the article are representative of a tiny minority, and obviosly mostly tongue-in-cheek.
      Plenty of wimminist sites also exist that espouse hatred of men.
      Are you angry and upset about them too ? why not?
      As for you claiming some past event shapes my POV, you know you leave yourself open to the same speculation, dont you?
      Why are you so bitter and angry ?

    • Tim says:

      10:53am | 04/05/11

      Sarah,
      you talk about selective quoting then talk about the Sydney Uni case which was the epitome of a media beat up.
      The members of a sporting group have a joking team name about raping opponents on the sporting field. ie “we’re so good at sport”.
      Apparently this page is then described in the media as a pro-rape page and idiots like yourself get up in arms about the supposed aims of the page.
      Grow up.

    • Shifter says:

      11:13am | 04/05/11

      @SarahM - there’s also a difference between the anonymity the internet provides and speaking on national TV.

      There are many on the internet who use there relative obscurity to indulge in braggadocio with a goal of exaggerating and overstating how something is.

      So taking both in the context presented I believe they are similar result. A more apt comparison might be if someone on the footy show asked the crowd if if Ms Middleton’s derriere was pleasing.

    • Sarah M says:

      11:50am | 04/05/11

      TChong, I have made one comment above “is condemned by the majority of males and that this is an over reaction to a disproportionately small minority of A-holes. ” I said a disproportionally small minority of men are A-holes. I haven’t attacked men, in fact it more of a reasonable defense for men than wither you or Erik have put up. I have just told you to get your act together and provide a decent argument.
      My best mate is a male, I have much respect for most men, just not the ones that use such abhorrent language. I don’t think it is socially acceptable, I don’t think it should be acceptable and I certainly don’t think all men should be tarred with the same brush.
      I think ALL people should act in a respectful manner, sex has nothing to do with it.
      I just think people should make reasonable arguments, and you my friend fail to do so. You relied on vitriol and anger instead or reason, you manipulate emotion rather than appealing to reason.
      PS tongue-in-cheek does not excuse the language or make it alright.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:03pm | 04/05/11

      Oh, dear.

    • Kylie says:

      07:20pm | 04/05/11

      That was tacky too, however that trainer presents himself to the world as an icon of physical perfection. He struts around in singlets showing tattoos that are designed to draw attention to his body.
      Pippa was supporting her sister as she walked down the aisle on her wedding day.
      I didn’t hear anyone in the BL crowd proposing sexual violence towards the trainer either.

    • Septimus says:

      09:06pm | 04/05/11

      Kylie,

      Do you honestly think Pippa’s dress wasn’t designed to draw attention to her body?  Really?

    • ceba says:

      05:43am | 06/05/11

      @Kebabpete - having some eye candy is very very different to saying ‘i’d f*** that person up the bum so hard they would need medical treatment afterwards and i don’t care if they like it or not’.
      i have no objection to males or females finding pippa’s bum attractive, but how would do you think the Commando trainer might feel if i saw a picture of him and posted on FB ‘i’d get a d*ldo and f*** that butt till he can’t walk cos it’s so fine and I don’t care if he objects’. 
      Did you find the male rape scene in Pulp Fiction to be funny? i can guarantee the character that got raped didn’t find it funny at all…  you might have laughed at it tat the movies, but i bet secretly thought ‘i’d never want that to happen to me’.
      so while pippa may be happy that her bum has it’s own facebook page, i doubt she’d like being shagged unconsensually, or so hard she needs medical treatment, or loses her ability to have children, or develops a fistula (look it up).  even joking about sexual violence and rape isn’t funny. it normalises it.
      of course the majority of men are not sexually violent, but joking and trying to ‘one up-manship’ gross comments like on the pippa FB page creates a culture where power and sex become more linked, where power becomes expressed through sex - rape isn’t actually about sex, it’s about violence and power over another person.

      healthy sex talk, expressed healthily, is not wrong, and that is what feminism asks for.  pippa’s bum’s FB page is fine, although a bit tacky! the comments highlighted above are not. violent non-consensual and demeaning sex talk IS wrong, and that is what MTR and other people are saying, not that people shouldn’t find each other attractive. respect is the key!

    • Jack Richards says:

      08:07am | 04/05/11

      Being a Republican and an Australian Patriot, I still think Kylie Minogue has the world’s best arse.

      Perhaps we should invent a new sport for the next Commonwealth Games: Celebrity arse-shaking, maybe. Pippa can represent Great Britain and Kylie can represent Australia. We’ll win the gold or sure - unless, of course, the contestants all have to be PMs or ex-PMs. That would be disgusting. Can you imagine Margaret Thatcher, Julia Gillard, and Helen Clark prancing down a catwalk in a g-string and wagging their arses in everyyone’s face. It wouldn’t be saliva and jizz on those bums, it’d be vomit from even the most depraved arse-fetishing pervert.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:10am | 04/05/11

      Wow, this article so is much hyperbowl!

    • Happy Dude says:

      10:10am | 04/05/11

      What exactly is hyperbowl? Don’t you mean hyperbole?

    • James1 says:

      02:36pm | 04/05/11

      To some, there is no difference HD…

    • Erin says:

      08:11am | 04/05/11

      Your solution to this imagined problem is?  In fact, what’s a workable solution to any of your vaguely defined, cock-eyed complaints?

    • grumpy old man says:

      08:15am | 04/05/11

      what can you do? boys will be boys, and I appreciate the female form as much as any other male, but it is a shame that some of them don’t keep their thoughts to themselves! Some of the comments in the article are to me, admittedly an old fart with old values, over top and completely insulting.

    • Dave-o says:

      08:16am | 04/05/11

      Egad! Quick someone call the “Thought Police” there are people making crappy jokes on the interwebz and a feminist is offended.

    • Huey says:

      08:22am | 04/05/11

      People! I think Melinda objects to the inherent violence of many of the comments. There are some sick puppies out there. Pippa is an attractive woman in a well fitted dress. NICE but not an ivitation for sexual maunderings on web sites etc..or shouldn’t be.

    • Chris L says:

      11:44am | 04/05/11

      And when women say “I wanna ride him like a motorcycle” they’re talking about filling him up on petrol and steering him onto the highway yes?

      The comments are crude but they are metaphoric. Stop reading BS into things just because it was said by a man (or in this case, said by a boy).

    • Peter says:

      08:25am | 04/05/11

      Me thinks you need go back to childhood sex classes if you think a bloke has a good old pull of the pudding watching an arse in a white dress walk down some carpet. May I suggest you start with Debbie does Dallas

    • Get off banging the man hating the drum! says:

      08:35am | 04/05/11

      Not all men’s love revolves around a womens bottom….

      the fact that a hand full of morons out of 3..5 billion men openly shout adoration in a public manner for Pippa’s butt ......does not mean we are all like that!!

    • Karla says:

      08:36am | 04/05/11

      I’m not sure what’s sadder… some of the cretinous comments to what’s a well-penned column (@Bolz), a young woman becoming the unwillling object of pond-slime attention, or the world watching a wedding that role models the Stepford Wives

    • MarK says:

      09:43am | 04/05/11

      ” a young woman becoming the unwillling object “

      How do you know she was unwilling. She has the attention of the world on her bum and can actually ask The Question “does my bum look big in this” knowing the snswer is all good and will be honest.

      i have a feeling she is loving it and good on her too. She looked stunning.

    • Tim says:

      10:59am | 04/05/11

      Yeah she choose that dress specifically because of it’s modesty.
      puhllleeeaaassee.

    • Bolz says:

      02:06pm | 04/05/11

      @Karla

      Hmmm…Interesting that you say it’s a well penned column and then point my (now deleted) post as beging cretinous when basically everything in it was lifted directly from it.

      Man hater!

    • Open Your Eyes says:

      08:39am | 04/05/11

      Broaden your Melinda- the end result of a fantastic event was men watching her bum? i think you should elevate your mind and stop being a hate mongerer

    • Richard says:

      08:43am | 04/05/11

      Men get objectified more than women do. In a cafe just the other morning I was held up from ordering my breakfast while another customer was engaged in an engrossing conversation with the woman behind the counter about one of their mutual friends, whom I gathered from the conversation was “buff”, and who had apparently been strutting about without a shirt on, and made all the girlies’ panties wet by the sound of it. They were sexually objectifying a male just as surely as “her royal hotness” was objectified.

      How is it therefore such an outrage for it to happen to a woman, but it seems to be perfectly fine to do it to a man? This is a serious question btw, and I challenge Punch readers to answer it. If it cannot be answered, then I would respectfully ask the Punch editors to refrain from publishing this type of bullshit article ever again.

    • TChong says:

      09:13am | 04/05/11

      Sorry ‘bout that Dickie.
      I will admit, the girls were gossiping about me.
      I did ask the gals to keep quiet about the wardrobe malfunction.
      It was all innocent. ( wrong collar size)
      Honestly.  wink

    • Alpha says:

      03:11pm | 04/05/11

      Dude - Rule #1 - It’s OK if they do it, just nor for us. Feminism isn’t about equality. It’s about revenge for years of perceived suffering at the hands of evil men. Ayn Rand shouldn’t have written about an Artists Strike, she should have written about a Man-Strike. Just see how far you get without us sisters….

    • Arcadia says:

      11:23pm | 05/05/11

      Richard, were these women who were objectifying this man threatening him with sexual violence?  I’ll guess not, since you haven’t said so.  In that case, it’s hardly the same thing as what Phillipa Middleton has been subjected to.

    • Catherine Rose says:

      04:09pm | 16/05/11

      “Men get objectified more than women”

      Idiot comment of the week

      “The punch should refrain from publishing this type of bullshit article ever again”

      I, Richard, only believe in censorship, when the opinion being expressed offends my delicate male sensibilities.

    • Budz says:

      08:44am | 04/05/11

      I guess the lesson here for guys is not to share your actual thoughts because they won’t be accepted by women. When did women become such prudes? Why is it OK to do all this stuff in the bedroom, but if guys want to mention these on the internet, all of a suddent it’s disgusting.

      Back to the actual topic of guys perving, surely women know that EVERY guy does it, and the guys that say they don’t are lying? And when we do perve, we think thoughts that are definitely not G rated. Again if women didn’t know this, what rock have you been living under? I discussed this with a friend who is a very religious Christian, and he said when he sees attractive girls he can’t help but have X rated thoughts too. The only difference is that he tries to not think about it.

    • Chris L says:

      11:50am | 04/05/11

      C’mon Budz. Whey women wear low cut tops and bottom hugging pants it isn’t because they want men to notice their curves, it’s because… um… help me out here Melinda.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:03pm | 04/05/11

      Clearly Chris L it is so they feel good about themselves…

      bahahahhahahahahah - you are spot on champ and if any woman ever even tries to say that they don’t dress provocitavely to gain the attention of a potential sexual partner then they are lying. The issue with women is that we always want the attention, rarely want the action. As we can’t explain why this is the case to ourselves, we just blame the nearest man.

    • speak for yourselves says:

      09:10pm | 04/05/11

      Dear Chris and Fairsfair, speak for yourselves. The females in our family and circle of friends are not in any way as you describe women in general. We are not the only women either who dress for comfort and style instead of the opposite sex. Unbelievable as that may seem to you, this is the truth. Not every living and breathing female is desperate to get the attention of guys, as in really not.

    • Chris L says:

      08:27am | 05/05/11

      @Speak for yourselves - Do the women in your family and circle of friends wear low cut tops showing as much boob as possible, and tight, figure hugging outfits? If so, and you say it’s for comfort, I call BS.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      08:51am | 04/05/11

      Royal Weddings ......GIVE ME A BREAK

      Its time Australia had a Resident for President.

      Just say NO !! to these British half breeds !!!!

      Any Australian who wants to keep an 85 yo British Woman as our head of state must have ROCKS in their head.

      Its time to “DITCH THE BITCH”

    • Dash says:

      08:53am | 04/05/11

      Clearly your arse would look big in that!

    • DJ says:

      08:57am | 04/05/11

      Melinda, you have obviously not been to one of those female only parties. Methinks there is a whole lot of objectification of men going on. The poor male stripper is often nearly torn to shreds. You need to get out more.

    • DJ says:

      09:44am | 04/05/11

      and another thing, as a happily married man for a long long time, I watched that beautiful lady with absolute appreciation of the female form…. and yes I did have some thoughts I didn’t share with my wife.

    • loxy says:

      08:58am | 04/05/11

      “I’ve been told women should – and do - welcome sexual messages shouted to them in the street (“HOT ARSE!” “NICE TITS!”) as compliments instead of street harassment”.

      All I can say is you don’t have very smart people talking to you then as I’ve never heard anyone say that women should welcome these sexual messages. I thought it was common knowledge that men who yell out things like that are nothing more than loser bogans.

    • Bleh says:

      09:01am | 04/05/11

      I can’t believe you are still banging this drum, your previous article was based on the same subject.

      What causes your hatred of men in society and how we act why would you want to change men so much that we are no longer men. Admiring the female form is normal for men as it should be.

      Society as a whole admires either sex look at the admiration and cheers women have given to the stars of Supernatural, James Bond, Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom etc… 

      I think you really need to calm down. While you get a few people who go overboard on the male side I’m fairly sure you get the same on the female side.

      You haven’t considered the femalde side cause that would be putting down the females and we wouldn’t want that.

      Balance reporting at it’s finest good work (sarcasm)

    • Que says:

      09:02am | 04/05/11

      Ok. I get it. You are anti-monarchy. You chose to express this by writing an article about a girl’s ass and the reponses to it.

      I think you need to provide a photo of your ass Melinda so we can understand whether there is any (jealous) conflict of interest in focusing on Pippa’s behind.

    • Ilikebums says:

      09:04am | 04/05/11

      Click on MTR’s profile at the top of the article for her bio’.... and there it is… her “forthcoming book”. She’s just drumming up publicity. In the modern twitter era that’s called Trolling.
      MTR makes some good points, but like some of the men on the PMAAS takes it all too far. Calm down.
      Appreciating the female form in such a public manner isn’t polite, but I wonder if MTR would have men censor their private thoughts too?

    • Elphaba says:

      09:13am | 04/05/11

      I would have liked to have read your article a little more thoroughly, but the shrill sound I heard in my head as I read it overrode everything else.

      Honestly, for every woman who can take a bit of pointed male catcalls, there is a feral like you that ruins it for everyone.

      If we thought stomach ulcers were still caused by stress, you’d be full of them.  Calm down.  Just because you’re an angry shrew who takes every appreciative male compliment and turn it into a potential sexual harrassment suit, doesn’t meant that every other woman does too.

      I would kill for her figure.  Absolutely gorgeous.  Good on her.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:04am | 04/05/11

      Well said.

      I was doing my own facebook commentary of the holy kenubials and out of all my friends the initial check out the ass comments came from females. Yes, some of those comments listed above are rank - but don’t read them if you are offended. The author clearly looked for them. I am sure if you looked for horse porn you’d find it.

      I was more taken by Bea’s facinator. I had “under the sea” stuck in my head for the entire long weekend as she was certainly vibing sebastian from the little mermaid.

      Majorly jealous of that girl. She looked beautiful and if some men’s appreciation of that involves inapropriate language, so be it. Who cares.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:35am | 04/05/11

      I can’t understand why one can’t just ignore it.  Every girl has had a bloke drop a cheesy one liner or sexually derogatory comment thrown their way.  Some of the lamer efforts are impossible to take offence at, because I’m laughing too hard.

      Men who have to resort to derogatory language around women are the one with the problem.  Yelling at the won’t help, because they’re clearly retarded.  Better to just ignore it.

      Like someone above said, these people made the comments under their full name, in a public forum.  It’s impossible to be offended. I pity their stupidity too much.

      Women apparently have equal rights now.  If men want to make catcalls about Pippa’s bum, so be it - but no one gets to tell me I can’t drool over the Commando’s buff bod and tatts like I did a few nights ago on TBL. 

      THAT is equality, Melinda.  The ability for me to admire the male form as much as a man can admire the female form.

    • Budz says:

      10:46am | 04/05/11

      Exactly fairsfair! The 2 people out of my friends that joined the FB appreciation group for her ass were both females!

    • Matt says:

      11:32am | 04/05/11

      Who’s the ‘commando’?
      and whats TBL?

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      06:59pm | 04/05/11

      Thanks for the post & link Elphaba. I only wish you had posted earlier - not two thirds of the way down.

      I’ve been reading all these comments (men & woman) about how hot Commando is, and here’s me thinking ‘how crazy is this gushing about commando’ mistakenly believing it was in reference to sans undergarments (never quite sure if it was guys or pippa going commando that they were referring to)

      Back to Post 1 for me.

    • Dan says:

      09:22am | 04/05/11

      And all of the “fantasy” would have been wiped out in an instant with one loud, thunder fart coming from Pip’s bum.

      PS: The amount of OLD women fawning over YOUNG Harry is sickening (dirty old women!).

    • Sam says:

      02:40pm | 04/05/11

      So true.
      I really don’t understand the whole back door fantasy, after all thats where poo comes from. My friends think i am being a prude, but I am yet to meet a woman who has had a postive experience.
      Different stroke for different folks I guess.

    • Elphaba says:

      07:47pm | 04/05/11

      @Sam, I’m with you.

      All sexual requests from a partner would be given fair consideraton, but poo chute sex - no thanks.

      I know I’m not going to enjoy it, so why bother doing it?  There are lots of things I have to do now that I don’t enjoy, like housework, and pay rent.  Why add to the list?

    • christine says:

      09:25am | 04/05/11

      It was a “look at me” dress.  And the attention the woman was seeking certainly came her way.  End of story.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      09:25am | 04/05/11

      “I don’t want to be objectified. Now if I can just slide in to this skin tight, revealing dress, slide on these sky high hooker heels and cake two inches of paint on my face, I can head out for the night.”

      Logic. Thy name is woman.

    • Dave says:

      11:54am | 04/05/11

      So true. Unfortunate, but true.

    • Kylie says:

      08:20pm | 04/05/11

      “I don’t want to be objectified. Now if I just slip on this ankle-length designer dress, appropiate for Westminster Abbey, perhaps I can support my sister on her wedding day without people publicly fantasising about anally raping me.”
      What a completely illogical expectation. What will these crazy chicks want next?

    • Septimus says:

      09:17pm | 04/05/11

      Kylie,

      Why then didn’t she wear a hessian onion bag under an overcoat?

      She WANTED the attention…

    • Brooksy says:

      09:27am | 04/05/11

      I only clicked on this article hoping I’d see another picture of it.

      Disappointed.

    • Stiffy says:

      09:45am | 04/05/11

      Is it possible to wear that dress and have undies on. Please explain.

    • bella starkey says:

      10:40am | 04/05/11

      spanx

    • Dash says:

      03:28pm | 04/05/11

      OK so I admit to having to look up what “spanx” is. It’s apparently slimming intimates, comfortable body shapers, shaping hosiery & tights, apparel and the latest innovations for shaping womens bodies.

      And they come in slimming levels of medium, super and super-duper!

      Sorry to say, they look hard to get on and off! And where super duper is concerned, you may need to stand back when that happens. lol

    • Pierre Cardigan says:

      04:19pm | 04/05/11

      She had a swimsuit style one piece as underwear ,the dress material was not light and lined,I’m a bloke and even I could see that.

    • fairsfair says:

      09:33pm | 04/05/11

      Really Pierre - I reckon even if those spanx were sewn from the tears of angels and hovered .2 or a mm above her skin they would have shown in that dress. It was also bias cut, which suggests it was a lightish fabric. I did not think the dress was lined due to the crotch whiskers (family term) that you could see when she got out of the car at the church. And just to clarify - those are the lines that radiate across your lap after you sit down in something and nothing else.

      I don’t think she had a thing on under that dress. Does it matter - no, but I think she was footloose and fancy free. Good on her. Not many people could look that good without a heavy duty “foundation garment” as my mum would say.

    • PC says:

      10:40pm | 04/05/11

      @fairsfair,fair enough,but we agree she looked great !

    • John May says:

      09:53am | 04/05/11

      Melinda,
      Your understanding of the word “fetish” is in error.
      The female backside cannot ever be an object of fetish; look up the meaning of the word, while we real men continue looking at it with in-built appreciation.

    • Linda says:

      10:06am | 04/05/11

      I don’t think these sour feminists will be happy until all attractive females are forced to be hidden under a burka.

      By the way, all that nasty pornography you speak of ? Women choose to do that. They’re not forced by evil men. And they’re paid ten times as much as the male porn-stars.

      It’s really not the fault of men that you’re unattractive Melinda.
      Thanks though, for making the facebook group more widely known. I had never heard of it before. Must go have a look and have a laugh !

      Gotta love silly men !

    • Paul Horn says:

      10:17am | 04/05/11

      Strange Ms Tankard how women pornography themselves and then scream and shout about how unfair it is that they are being sexually objectified.

      Why do women do it then? Why do you lot walk down the street in skin tight jeans or leggings and then scowl at any passing male even if his gaze rests upon your visage for no greater than 2 milliseconds. I have also noticed the trend for young women to now wear extremely short shorts that ride up their arses exposing the cheeks for all to see. Not a good look!

      A man doing the same would be locked up for public lewdity.

      So please Ms Tankard explain to me why you and your feminist cohorts never castigate women who sexualise themselves in this way? You hate men for objectifying you but you reserve no judgement for the legions of young women who compete against each other to see who can expose the most flesh.

      I have worked in numerous companies where young ladies have a habit of coming to work wearing short skirts and no knickers! It is damned disrespectful of other colleagues not to mention distracting.

      So before you start banging on about idiotic male comments please look first at your own sex and ask the question why you need to behave in this way.

      Pippa could have worn something far less revealing yet far more elegant and flattering. Instead she looked like an overcooked stripper about to go on stage!

      I guess it all boils down to one thing does’nt it Ms Tankard - power! And there is no greater power than sexual power. You don’t need to work for it, earn it or lobby for votes to get it! It is simply given freely by nature to the female form.

      What a lucky sex!

    • Linda says:

      11:25am | 04/05/11

      If you became a porn actor Paul, you wouldn’t even have to change your name !

    • St. Michael says:

      12:46pm | 04/05/11

      ...although the comparison with the “uncovered meat” argument is striking, no?

    • Paul Horn says:

      12:52pm | 04/05/11

      In fact Linda if we got together we could be the star porno act! Make millions!

      I often state my middle name as “my”. It’s amazing how many women just don’t get it but hey they don’t need to be smart just able to plaster a couple of tons of polyfilla on their faces adn that’s their days work.

      It’s all about the power you know!

    • Linda says:

      03:49pm | 04/05/11

      @Paul- been there, done that ! Many years ago. I’m in my 40’s now, no-one would want to see my bum anymore, or do anything to it.

    • baal says:

      06:29pm | 04/05/11

      @ Linda
      In regards to the bums of 40+ year old women rule 34 has already covered that in every way you can think of.

    • Stuart says:

      10:18am | 04/05/11

      I think the issue is a handful a guys, who she choicely picked to make a completely bias point in a very personal article, made some very unsavoury comments. Would majority of the men make comments like that, No. Is facebook an open forum that will allow gents and grubs to comment without exclusion, yes. Pick your battles and don’t destroy your respect and journalistic integrity over a handful of Neanderthals who don’t know any better. You won’t educate these guys, you want encourage the other guys and you just insult women and men en masse with this crud.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:29am | 04/05/11

      What we can take from this ‘article’ by Melinda is:

      1. She’s never seen what those ‘ladies’ get up to or say/scream at male revue/booze cruises?
      2. She’s not a member of the Commando Steve Facebook page and seen what the women there are posting?
      3. Fat chicks with huge arses hate chicks with hot arses

    • Jamie says:

      10:36am | 04/05/11

      Do you have any idea how riciculous, idiotic and laughable (all at once) your column was Mel? Can I call you Mel? ... hope you dont mind honey. 

      For those of you who dont know, Melinda is an anti abortion, anti choice feminist which makes her by any measure a bit warped.

      With that in mind toots ... leave your decidedly odd opinion out of the glorious view of that perfect arse.

      Thanks sweet cheeks.

      J

    • Traxster says:

      10:37am | 04/05/11

      Pippa’s bum ???
      That’s not a ‘bum’.
      Check out Jay Lo’s bum….
      now that’s a bum a man could…...could…....
      that’s a BUM !!

    • George says:

      10:42am | 04/05/11

      The dress flattered her,Pretty girl with a nice figure,the smut is typical of sons of wankers

    • Dave-o says:

      11:42am | 04/05/11

      @Tim,

      Excellent mate, exactly what needed to be said.

    • Sickemrex says:

      12:20pm | 06/05/11

      Beaurifully said George, and in so few words.

      I’m female, not the hottest chick in the world but not overweight and reasonably symmetrical in the face department.  I find “nice arse/tits” to be vaguely complimentary I suppose but I’m not going to turn around and give the man my phone number.  I do like it when my husband compliments me on what I’m wearing but don’t fish for it from other men.  “I want to have anal and oral sex with you so hard you get injured” is just disgusting.

      Guess I’d better go grow up.

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      10:53am | 04/05/11

      Hey all - some pretty revolting comments are being submitted - proving Melinda’s point. Violent, nasty, personal comments will be deleted.

      Surely you can make your points, disagree as vehemently as you like with the point of view expressed here, without resorting to disgusting threats and insults?

      And on a side note - saying “women do it too” is no more than a sandpit argument. If I lurked about with any women who talked about violating men and damaging them through sex I would have no qualms about outing them and criticising them in a column.

      So stay civil. Thanks!

    • X says:

      11:06am | 04/05/11

      Surely, you people realise by now, only Punch authors are allowed to be personally critical.  They are not open to the same treatment.

    • Tim says:

      11:12am | 04/05/11

      Tory,
      people posting disgusting comments doesn’t prove Melinda’s point in the slightest.
      The logical disconnect between a few random comments on the internet and “putting women in their place” is astounding.

      I have no idea how Melinda has survived so long - deliberately searching for offence and then being so shocked when she finds it.

    • Chris L says:

      12:02pm | 04/05/11

      “And on a side note - saying “women do it too” is no more than a sandpit argument” - I disagree Tory. Otherwise there’d be no argument for gay marriage (after all, pointing out that heterosexuals do it is a sandpit argument).

      Men are often objectified with terribly crass comments (not me, I’m ugly) but there isn’t an outroar. That’s because men who work out at the gym and take their shirt off for the gaggling hordes will actually admit why they do so. It would be such transparent hypocrisy for this lass to wear such a low cut, form fitting dress and then not expect men to go wild. That was the purpose of the dress.

    • seemore says:

      12:25pm | 04/05/11

      But you haven’t written a column like that is the point. There are many examples of violent language involving a man’s genitals in the media and pop culture. Equating one’s own hypocrisy with a “sandpit argument” is smoke and mirrors.

    • Markus says:

      10:56am | 04/05/11

      ‘We don’t hear men being told to “shake that arse”.’
      Yes, we do.
      “We do not hear of a man’s backside referred to as ‘booty’.”
      Yes, we do.

      “Because of a pornified culture, references to a women’s ‘arse’ are mostly not compliments but have underlying pornographic meanings.”
      I notice you have are basing this statement on some sort of foregone conclusion that any reference that could potentially be of a pornographic nature must immediately be derogatory or demeaning, instead of a compliment. I fail to see how that is anybody elses problem but your own.

    • Emily says:

      11:03am | 04/05/11

      She chose to wear a g-string.

    • jf says:

      11:15am | 04/05/11

      Oh, she deserved it then hey Emily?

    • Paul Horn says:

      01:03pm | 04/05/11

      Would I deserve to be locked up if I walked down the street with my penis hanging out in a horizontal direction? Could I not find it equally offensive when confronted by a screaming woman frantically calling the cops on her mobile phome?

      Officer how dare you ascribe sexual connotations to my manner of dress! That is disgusting! Outrageous! It is those leering complaining women who should control their base urge to scream and take offensive action!

      I only want to be appreciated and admired….......for who I am!

    • fairsfair says:

      01:48pm | 04/05/11

      your last name is super appropriate today Paul!

    • stiffy says:

      11:17am | 05/05/11

      Do you think so Emily. the discussion of what she was or not wearing was a major subject of discussion at a family get together last Saturday night.

    • Erica says:

      11:04am | 04/05/11

      Grow Up Tory ya feminazi

    • LT says:

      11:11am | 04/05/11

      These comments make me sick. Keep writing Melinda. Keep fighting. You are so far above these idiotic people.

    • Chris L says:

      12:05pm | 04/05/11

      “these idiotic people. “

      You just objectified our brains there LT. You are sooooooo bad!

    • FU says:

      03:05pm | 04/05/11

      The Ugly always resort to the pissing up the wall game of ‘i’m smarter than you’. well no one gives a fuck if your smart - you’re still naive and street-dumb

    • Glen says:

      11:20am | 04/05/11

      The last sentence - “It needs to be named as the virtual sexual harassment of Pippa Middleton” - good luck policing that one ladies. For starters better get more girls in IT.

      Seriously though the whole Pippa thing is just a bit of a laugh really. She looks good and that’s it. None of us have a shot at her in real life lol.

      And ladies sorry to disappoint you but I feel confident informing you that all of us men are not including Pippa in our secret stash - for the simple reason she is clothed.

      Jez…

    • Anne Powles says:

      11:24am | 04/05/11

      When Germaine Greer (to make a point) made a mild comment about young men on Bondi Beach she was roundly and publically criticised -yet her comments would not have rated on this page.  Women are not often seen to make comments as destructive as some of the above, and when they do, they usually come in for much more criticism than do men who say similar things.

      I cannot comment about the “how men think,” being female, but from my years of friendship with very many gentle men, I think most would be as dismayed as women are by the tenor of some of the posts above. 

      But that is not the main point.  There is a vast difference between thinking something and feeling free to express it publically.  I think that once that gap has been bridged, going one step further and acting it out can often be not far behind. Certainly those that openly express such views are on a very slippery slope.

    • Markus says:

      12:37pm | 04/05/11

      Wow, women who have spent their lives campaigning against comments like that being made by men against women are roundly and publicly criticised for being a hypocrite when doing the same against men.
      What exactly is that proving?

      Even your ‘gentle’ friends would be able to treat the listed comments as the joke (albeit crude and pathetic one) that they are, and not mount some holier-than-thou crusade against men’s attitudes every time they are made.

    • Budz says:

      02:49pm | 04/05/11

      @Anne: Of course those guys didn’t verbalise every sexual thought they came into their mind, because they had the brains to know how a majority of women would respond to this. That’s why they usually save these types of conversations for their male friends.
      Along with every other non sexual type of conversation that women would probably be disgusted about, such as their toilet habits etc,

    • Luke says:

      11:31am | 04/05/11

      This column made me LOL.

      Why do you think trolls say this stuff. It’s to get a bite from people and have a laugh. I think you need to realize that these people are not planning on “bashing her back door in”

      If this offends you then i think it’s time to get off the internet.

      Now i need to get back on facebook and read some more Pippa posts

    • Deborah says:

      11:31am | 04/05/11

      Clearly I’m missing the outrage gene - because I find it all rather amusing than insulting.  I’d be very flattered if a FB page was created to worship my butt.  I’m wondering what the offended women here are wearing today.  Showing cleavage?  A dress that shows off their round derriere?  Or a sensible shapeless sack.  And if you say you wear low cut tops because they’re comfortable, rather than because you want men to admire your boobs you’re full of it!

    • Slothy says:

      12:57pm | 04/05/11

      I dress to be asthetically pleasing, just like I plant rosebushes in my garden and buy find prints to put on my wall. I like pretty things, and I like to look in the mirror and see someone pretty. (actually today I’m wearing pretty ugly clothes - washing didn’t dry in time)

      I don’t dress to have people fantasise about putting me in a wheelchair with their genitals.

    • TheRealDave says:

      05:08pm | 04/05/11

      Chicks wear low cut gear so that CERTAIN men can admire their boobies….not everyone…..its just that no-one knows who is and isn’t allowed to have a look, so I think its better to err on the side of caution and have a good long look. Otherwise you could be offending someone.

    • Calvin Taylor says:

      11:36am | 04/05/11

      So many men responding who show that they don’t know the first thing about respecting a women. Sad thing is you are probably the same guys falsely building up your self esteem by bragging to all your mates about how crude you are. You seem to miss the fact that you are just a product of your culture like Melissa is rightfully informing us of. A real man would have the balls to stand up against an oppressive culture despite what his mates think of him. Have some respect for a lady (Melissa) that is doing the job you are to weak to do yourself. And stop kidding yourself by thinking that you know your way with women. That’s my 2 cents anyway. Thank you Melissa for taking a stand!

    • Chris L says:

      12:08pm | 04/05/11

      You’ll get plenty of change from that 2 cents you supplied.

    • Tim says:

      12:26pm | 04/05/11

      And here comes the White Knight Calvin Taylor,
      ready to fight for offended women on every corner, in every city.
      Wherever a wolfwhistle exists, Calvin will be there informing us of what a “Real” man would do.

      Of course women need someone like you to take care of them and protect them, don’t they Calvin?
      They couldn’t possibly be able to take responsibility and look after themselves, that would be sexist.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:21pm | 04/05/11

      Calvin, respecting women is no way to decent sex. Now drop the act (which is just another attempted means of attracting women) and get with the winning team. You know, rich, sleazy scumbags who treat their women like blow-up dolls and yet, surprisingly, have so many to choose from.

    • JohnB says:

      11:39am | 04/05/11

      Men admiring a woman’s rear is not natural? Perhaps there is a chemical or counciling, that the feminist agenda could treat our boys with from birth.

      More of woman simply not knowing what they want.

    • CASSIE says:

      12:15pm | 04/05/11

      Perhaps there is a chemical that can be prescribed at birth to stop people from posting such idiotic dribble?

      Another example of a man not knowing how to respect women!

    • St. Michael says:

      12:50pm | 04/05/11

      @ Cassie: given the example most women set for how to treat other women, are you really that surprised that men don’t know how to respect them?

    • JohnB says:

      01:11pm | 04/05/11

      “stop people from posting such idiotic dribble?”

      Come on CASSIE we’re not in the board room you’re chairman, uh sorry, chairperson now, you can’t speak to me like that.

    • Markus says:

      01:24pm | 04/05/11

      Why should women be immediately and inarguably deserving of respect, Cassie? Men aren’t, why should women?
      Wouldn’t treating them differently in this regard be a sexist callback to a time where women were not considered equals?

    • Kate says:

      11:41am | 04/05/11

      Great article Melinda.  The sad thing is that many women are objectifiying themselves in an attempt to adopt the new sexualised cultural norm of the feminine ideal.  There is a lot of pressure on women to appear ‘fuckable’.  It’s easy to say don’t buy into it, but in our culture it is all pervasive - media/music/fashion industries are pushing the sexual objectification of women to the extreme.  Raunch culture has become less about pornography and more about mainstream values.  I’m glad I don’t have a daughter!  I will raise my son to appreciate a woman’s beauty and value you her as a person!!

    • Daryl says:

      12:19pm | 04/05/11

      But does that say more about women or men? I don’t disagree with you about social pressures, but I don’t think it’s men that are creating it at all.

      It’s a fact that men are more attracted to physical appearance than women (apparently). Although the way some groups of women behave together you’d have to wonder. Was Marilyn Monroe a sexual creature in the 40s and 50s? You bet she was! Was Brigitte Bardot in the 60s - damn right! It’s not a new thing.

      As a man, I may look at Pippa’s bum and think OMG that’s beautiful or admire a woman in the street. But then again I’m not thinking, I’d like to marry that. “Phorrrr cop a look at that” does not translate into “now there’s the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with”. Some Women seem to miss that completely.

      Men do value women for the person they are. A bloke would be completely crazy to make a life long partner out of someone just because they get their boobs out in public regularly. I don’t know anyone who’s done that! You should give men more credit.

      Reality is, most men are not interested in the high mantenance little ‘fuckable’ princess. And many women choose to use their sexuality as a way of trying to advance themselves in life and love. Why is that men’s fault?

      There is no way, presented with Pippas bum, I’m going to turn away in disgust! But doesn’t that just makes me a healthy hetrosexual male?

    • Kate says:

      12:47pm | 04/05/11

      Daryl I think it is a societal problem that we need to address together.  It’s not as simple as women/man hating and it shouldn’t be reduced to that - it’s about our cultural values.  Well that’s the way I see it.  I have a young son and I want him to grow up to be able to have healthy relations with women - not treat them as objects of desire.  I want his girlfriends to feel comfortable expressing their true selves - not feel wrapped up in trying to be sexy.  We are all mothers, fathers, brothers,sisters etc (badly worded wink) and as a society I think we would benefit from treating each other with respect.  The soft porn culture that is slowly infultrating our mainstream media is for me a real issue that needs to be addressed by both men and women - together grin

    • Daryl says:

      01:22pm | 04/05/11

      Hi Kate, I agree with you. I have two sons and a little girl. I want my sons to grow up having respect for women and I hope I set a good example for them. I will die if my little girl goes out looking like a tramp!

      All I was trying to say is that men are aroused by the visuals that women give them. And women play up to it and have done for probably forever. But when it comes down to real valuable relationships, the mates I have, do not value women for their boob size, or butt size, or the way they dress.

      I don’t want my kids bombarded by soft porn though. Maybe it has to come from the home and we need to at least give our children some morality and respect for others. Kids are influenced by all sorts of things. But there’s nothing better than the example we ourselves set for them. Maybe I’m just too much of a fuddy duddy (is that possible at 38?) I don’t see the facebook, or you tube or music videos, or the girls magazines etc.

      You’re not related to Pippa are you Kate? grin

    • Markus says:

      02:01pm | 04/05/11

      But what if part of the girls expressing their true selves involves wanting to feel sexy to their partner, Kate? Herein lies the problem.

      There is nothing inherently direspectful about being being attracted to a female physically, and villifying a young boy’s natural sexual attraction to the female physical form is not healthy at all.

      Believing that their natural sexual urges are demeaning to women causes a lot of problems in adolescent males, and is actually the source of a lot of modern day mysoginists (real ones, not just regular men who get accused of it for daring to hold a woman accountable for her behaviour).

    • CASSIE says:

      11:44am | 04/05/11

      Seriously? Can you people grow up? This is disgusting and totally disrespectful to women! Stop trying to justify this behaviour!! It’s just not acceptable no matter how much you attempt to convince yourself or argue otherwise!

      You might be able to impress your mates with your cheap talk, your unrealistic fantasies and lonely nights behind the computer screen, but you won’t impress any woman of class!

    • JohnB says:

      11:59am | 04/05/11

      So, if men aren’t attracted to woman, uhmmm, exactly why would men want anything to do with them?

    • Dash says:

      12:35pm | 04/05/11

      Cassie, I think there are two issues here. Firstly, men are attracted to the female body and that is a natural thing for a hetrosexual male. I mean, women have been playing up to that for a very long time. Paint your face, wear a bra, shave your legs, pluck the eyebrows, wax whatever.

      Men should not be made to feel guilty about that at all. Men did not put Pippa into the dress.

      I think many women’s idea of what men find attractive is quite a bit removed from reality too I might add.

      But yes, there is a line that should not be crossed where admiration turns to “cheap talk”.

      Reading through the posts here, I think men object to the feminist nonsense that they are degrading women just because they find them attractive. But reading the article, it’s more about comments of a sexual nature that may be interpreted as disgusting and disrespectful.

      My view, is any comment aimed at getting a laugh should be treated lightheartedly. If the explicit comments are serious ones, yes out of order. But I would suggest most people here are in the former category.

      I thought Pippa’s bum looked awesome in that dress. I think she is beautiful. High maintenace, but beautiful. That’s about where it ends for me.

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      12:01pm | 04/05/11

      We humans do have fantasy as a gift and a curse, some more so than others when their fantasy becomes reality,

    • Ryan says:

      12:28pm | 04/05/11

      And you can bet “rule 34” will apply at some time soon enough.
      Rule 34 - no exceptions.

    • JohnB says:

      12:53pm | 04/05/11

      What the? “Please explain” Ryan….

      My guess is “rule 34” means woman can say black is black, but may also, at anytime and without notice, say it’s any shade from white to crimson….

    • Yuri says:

      12:29pm | 04/05/11

      While these comments (which have been singled out from a great many more) are definitely apalling, I think it should be men that are more offended by how they are represented, rather than the woman at centre of this who is essentially being given compliment, however poorly it might be worded.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      12:35pm | 04/05/11

      So all the comments over footballers bums by women are low &disgusting; too? ?

    • Slothy says:

      01:03pm | 04/05/11

      Are any of those women talking about destroying those footballer’s bums and putting them in a wheelchair?

      Besides, if you go by the standards above, they were asking for it by wearing such tight shorts anyway.

    • Sean says:

      01:33pm | 04/05/11

      See, again, you don’t know what men mean by “put her in a wheelchair”. It means “I find her very attractive and would have so much sex with her that she’d have trouble walking”, not “I would violently bash and rape her”.

      It’s crude, but it’s not violent.

    • Slothy says:

      02:35pm | 04/05/11

      You don’t think that having so much sex that she’d end up in a wheelchair might be a little painful? To the point where she’d stop wanting it at some point? So to get to the wheelchair stage you’d have to be having sex with her against her will?

      And even if they don’t mean that they want to literally ‘destroy’ her or put her in a wheelchair, they are still evoking an image of violence against women for shnits and giggles. In a society where violence against women is still rampant, I think that’s in poor taste.

    • Tim says:

      03:05pm | 04/05/11

      Slothy,
      you sound like you’d be a barrel of laugs with your literal interpretation of every comment that you see on the internet.
      I’ll give you some advice, don’t ever go to a comedy club. Your offence meter might just explode.

    • Slothy says:

      03:31pm | 04/05/11

      You know it’s funny, I was actually lead speaker in a comedy debate just last week. Seemed to go down pretty well. Weirdest thing is, turns out it’s possible to be funny, even insulting, without resorting to the cheap shots afforded by sexism. Takes a little more effort, but I’m sure you can get there if you try.

    • Sean says:

      05:55pm | 04/05/11

      Ahh Slothy, so you’re one of those people who interpret everything entirely literally.

      Tell me, did you call an ambulance the last time you heard a sportsman say that he’d bust a gut running?

    • Helen Thomas says:

      12:44pm | 04/05/11

      honestly - you guys are pathetic - the excuses you use! fair dinkum! Of course men are attracted to women and vice versa but that doesn’t give you the right to make filthy comments and reduce a woman to nothing but an object for your fantasies. The problem here is the lack of respect for women. If you want to fantasise the rest of the world doesn’t need to hear about it. It was a wedding and you have devalued everything that was good about it. FB should take down that page - it amounts to harrasment - she should sue you.  Guys - just shut up and keep your lusts and shallow mentality to yourself.

    • Sean says:

      12:45pm | 04/05/11

      Hah, that’s funny, because I’m just now reminded of watching the Twitter feed for the Carlton-Adelaide game a few weeks back, and seeing one young (female) fan saying something along the lines of “My brother had to hold me back when that player got close, or else I would have raped him”.

      Funny how nobody raising a stink when a woman says something like that. But if a man dares to notice a woman’s body, oh no, THEN HE’S GONE TOO FAR.

      And for the record, I knew that girl was being hyperbolic. Just like the men on that Pippa’s Arse FB page were. It’s a lot easier to see these things when you aren’t agenda driven, like Ms (sorry, did that title prefix offend you) Tankard Reist.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:48pm | 04/05/11

      Tell me, what’s more insulting: the proclamation that Pippa Middleton has a great arse (and she does) or the nickname that a bunch of *women* came up with for the Middletons: the Wisteria sisters?  As in, “decorative, willowy, and real climbers?”

    • Helen Thomas says:

      12:57pm | 04/05/11

      Robert, if a fb page was started up about a footballers bum or whatever of course it would be. I haven’t seen that happen yet. A man shouldn’t be objectified in that way either but, let’s be honest - the shoe is usually on the other foot, isn’t it? I have to wonder why guys are getting so defensive about this? Obviously a button is being pressed. Women have the right to speak out as much as you guys think you do.

    • Simone says:

      01:02pm | 04/05/11

      To the guys who say stuff about Pippa, or any other chick, like “smash her back door in” or “destroy her” etc etc… either in public, on here or on facebook….. YOU SOUND LIKE A RAPIST !!!! Yep, you do…...

    • Sean says:

      01:23pm | 04/05/11

      I don’t think you actually know what men mean when we say “I would destroy that”.

    • Dash says:

      01:32pm | 04/05/11

      Yep as a guy, I find that inappropriate and not funny at all. I add my support to those comments. There’s a difference between admiring someones figure and showing a complete lack of morality or respect.

      No woman should be treated like that! I cannot believe there are men out there in society that would see that as OK.

      I have made some comments about admiring the Bum and the dress, but reducing the discussion to violent sexual predator language should not be acceptable to any of us on this site!

    • Cloud Strife says:

      01:02pm | 04/05/11

      This is what rape culture looks like.

    • Nina Hartley says:

      11:24am | 05/05/11

      ROFLMAO! Good one - did it take you long to come up with?

    • ?? says:

      01:06pm | 04/05/11

      i’d be very happy to have a page dedicated to my ar$e or other bits, and i dont mind it one bit when blokes think i’m alright, too

    • Luke says:

      06:26pm | 04/05/11

      Then you need to develop some self-respect ?? Objectifying women is not on!

    • Dave-o says:

      01:11pm | 04/05/11

      I read something on the interwebz that was vile and disgusting and made me weep for humanity.


      Its Melinda Tankard Reist’s blog.

    • Gladys says:

      01:23pm | 04/05/11

      You know, scientists have a formula for what makes a good backside - a backside needs to be in proportion to the waist to create an hourglass figure.

      This is why Monroe - even when she was a bit heavier in her late 30s - always had sex appeal. Her waist was in proportion to her backside.

      The reaction has been a little crass for my liking, but it’s understandable when you see how in proportion her backside was to her waist and the dress played it up beautifully.

      Well done, Pippa. And you’ve given Will and Kate a holiday at the same time.

    • Nicole J says:

      01:23pm | 04/05/11

      Oh Melinda, obviously you just don’t get it.  Pippa Middleton didn’t want to look beautiful on her sister’s wedding day - she woke up on Friday secretly hoping that millions of men would take one look at her bottom and want to ‘ruin’ it, or at the very have a nice wank.  If she hadn’t, she wouldn’t have worn that dress.  Or even had an arse at all. 

      Right?

    • Caitlin says:

      01:32pm | 04/05/11

      Great article Melinda.

      So Pippa Middleton was asking for it because of the way she dressed? That’s a familiar sentiment.

      First of all, I fail to see anything distasteful with her dress. Is it the fact that she wore this dress and also happens to have a shapely bottom? Is that the evidence of her attention-grabbing? Maybe she should stay inside to avoid any undue attention on her backside.

      Secondly, is it so hard to fathom that being leered at by a large number of pervy guys could be intimidating and unwelcome?

      And why is it when someone points out simple facts like this, they are simply labelled a ‘man hater’?

      I think some commenters here have some serious issues with respecting women.

    • RobM says:

      01:39pm | 04/05/11

      I am both embarrassed and ashamed – not just as a man, but as a human – at some of the comments being made here. All people, not just women, have the right to not be objectified by their fellow human beings. And the nature of a lot of comments in regards to this post simply reinforces the contention of Melinda’s original article. And to suggest that Melinda wrote this article fuelled only by jealousy because, as some posters have suggested, her arse does not match up to Pippa Middleton’s, is puerile, downright insulting and pathetic.

      If this is how low we’ve stooped as human beings, then it’s a sad and sorry world we live in. How about some respect for each other. We don’t have to agree with each other. We don’t even have to like each other. But we should all respect each other, irrespective of gender, race, colour, religion or whatever hook you hang your hat on when you get home at night.

    • Tim says:

      01:47pm | 04/05/11

      “All people, not just women, have the right to not be objectified by their fellow human beings”

      I’m sorry Robm but this comment is just patently false. No one has this right and no one has the right to not be offended either.
      In an ideal world then sure everyone would respect each other and no one would use anyone else but unfortunately we don’t live in that world and to bemoan the fact that we don’t is silly.

    • Simone says:

      02:44pm | 04/05/11

      Everyone stop for a sec and re read what RobM wrote please.
      Finally a GENTLEman in our midst! Thank you. We love our Mr. nice guys!

    • Erick says:

      03:06pm | 04/05/11

      @RobM - “we should all respect each other, irrespective of gender, race, colour, religion or whatever hook you hang your hat on when you get home at night.”

      Except that you reserve the right to slag off at anyone whose comments you don’t like, portraying them as “puerile, downright insulting and pathetic”.

      You practice what you condemn.

    • RobM says:

      03:47pm | 04/05/11

      @Erick… If you read my post carefully , I condemned the comments as “puerile, downright insulting and pathetic,” not the individual. There is a distinction.

      Do you think comments such as those made about Pippa Middleton or Melinda herself are okay? Do you think that’s an acceptable standard for our society? Do you think it’s okay for someone to imply that if only they could get their hands on Pippa Middleton’s arse, they would cause her some serious injury? Ask yourself, Erick. Do you really think that that’s okay? If someone said that in a public forum about you or your daughter/wife/mother would you think that was okay? I know I wouldn’t.

      So instead of just dimissing the whole thing as a harmless bit of fun on Facebook or instead of suggesting that Melinda’s article is really masquerading as a hate-filled diatribe against all men, why not challenge those that think that this is an acceptable level of behaviour. It’s not. You can argue otherwise, and I’m sure you will Erick, but this is not an acceptable level of behaviour for a society to function successfully.

      It just isn’t. And if you were to look down inside yourself, really inside yourself, you know, that part of you where all your fears and ability to love and care for another human being lives, then you will know. It. Just. Isn’t. Right.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      05:49pm | 04/05/11

      Rob, not objectifying women leads to many lonely nights.

    • Luke says:

      07:25pm | 04/05/11

      The ‘Sad Sad Reality’ of lonely nights might not be the case if you actually had some respect for women Sad Sad Reality. The Sad Sad Reality is that you think it acceptable to make these comments. I challenge you to rise to the occasion and see how a change in attitude might actually bring about positive, fulfilling and lasting relationships.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      09:32am | 05/05/11

      Who wants lasting relationships? I just want numerous, short term flings. You know when the sex is still passionate and the ‘object’ of your affection isn’t lazing about the couch in tracksuit pants, she’s still dressing for sex. That my friend is the ideal. All else is herb-speak.

    • Craig says:

      01:45pm | 04/05/11

      Ah Melinda, did The Drum finally decide you were too kooky for them?

    • Old fashioned?? says:

      01:51pm | 04/05/11

      “Honey got a booty like pow, pow, pow
      Honey got some boobies like wow, oh wow ”  ... etc (Usher)

      How come it’s OK when peddaled as “commercial” music and played on the radio but suddenly offensive when it’s Pippa’s booty and commented on by some equally brain dead morons in equally sexualised terms?

      I think it all stems from the slow drift in what was once called morality. Call me conservative but when you have music videos showing breast bouncing, crutch thrusting, arse waving women dressed with less modesty than a cheap hooker blazoned across your TV screens on Sunday mornings, it is obviously considered culturally acceptable in mainstream Australia. That is the problem when the lines get blurred. Crass becomes acceptable. Sexualised women are portrayed as the norm. Little girls want to grow up to just like ... (insert any top 10 music “star”) and think Justin Beiber et al are the face of modern manhood.

      This can only end badly!

    • Michael R says:

      02:05pm | 04/05/11

      Finally someone said it! Thanks Melinda. While I’m happy in a private setting to admire a fine looking posterior, a royal wedding is definitely not the place for a slinky nightie posing as formal attire. It took all the focus off the wedding and placed it on her backside. And there’s way too much distracting sexualised fashion in public these days. Are we civilised or are we bonobos? It’s getting hard to tell.

    • baal says:

      04:42pm | 04/05/11

      If we were bonobos we would live in a peaceful well run Matriarchal society.
      However we don’t so your point is?

    • Eva says:

      04:42pm | 04/05/11

      I agree with you Michael R. Like almost everyone else watching that wedding all I could do was follow every movement of Pippa…and oh boy did we get to see her shown off constantly with all the bending down she did. That dress was deliberately chosen to create just that response….why else would the congregation have been banned from wearing white. The Middletons created that powerful image and must be rejoicing at its reception.

    • Rich says:

      02:10pm | 04/05/11

      It might be a controversial view, but men like women’s bums.

      168,000 of the 600,000,000 people on facebook clicked a button? thats 0.028%

      Outrageous.

    • Seano says:

      02:18pm | 04/05/11

      Those that cannot see the difference between passing a mild comment in appreciation of an attractive human being (regardless of gender) and publicly talking about sodomising and destroying a woman, really, really need to get a grip.

      I wonder how many who support these sort of comments as merely an equality issue would be the first scream about the degeneration of modern society on another thread say about teenage vandalism or bullying? I wonder how many would stand for a minute someone speaking about their mother, sister, wife or daughters that way?

      It seems to me post people want to live in a decent society but some don’t want to set an example or a standard for what is decent and acceptable.

    • ifonly says:

      02:26pm | 04/05/11

      Whilst some comments were distateful, many men did not pick up on why they found her image so attractive. Sure she was physically attractive but the truth is much more. She had grace and poise. She was happy and smiling. She was even surrounded by children showing her nurturing/motherly aspect.

      Still, the reaction could have been worse with the men screaming and fainting over a teenager…..but that would be Beiber Fever.

    • Nicole says:

      02:27pm | 04/05/11

      Wow, the lack of education and sophistication on this issue by people slagging off Melinda is astounding.  But what do you really expect from a bunch of slobbering neanderthals who haven’t evolved much past wild animals, who’s brains are only programmed to eat and have sex?

      You’ve all just backed up Melinda’s theories with your unoriginal, run of the mill comments.  I don’t think any of you could put together a mature, educated response if you tried.  It’s easier to sit back and jump on the band wagon, slagging off the people (behind the oh so brave and courageous anonymity of your computers)  who are actually trying to make a difference in this world.  If even half of you got off your arses and stood for something important and tried to make a difference, this world would be a better place.  Melinda is out there, putting herself out there day in, day out trying to educate the slobbering masses.

      There is this thing called respect.  Pippa Middleton has every right to walk down an aisle or anywhere else for that matter, wearing whatever she likes without having to accept that puerile men are going to objectify her, sexually harass her or make vile, vicious and violent comments about her or a part of her body.  She nor any other woman should have to ‘accept it as a compliment’.

      Yes men are attracted to women, but most men (at least the ones I know) have more decency and respect to spit out vile, idiotic, sexist crap like that.  There is nothing wrong with a man saying perhaps “Wow Pippa Middleton looks amazing in that dress! Just gorgeous!  I wish she was my girlfriend/wife/partner”.  There is, however, something wrong with saying “Wow, Pippa Middleton’s arse looks so hot I want to fuck it so hard she’s going to hurt/walk funny/need surgery”.  There is a difference between admiration and sexual harassment.  Learn it.

      Women should not be expected to just ‘put up with it’, because men don’t like being told to pull their heads in. 

      Show some respect for your fellow human beings, not just women.  Act like a man and not a neanderthal.  I think you’ll find most women love men… the ones who don’t behave like morons.

    • St. Michael says:

      02:54pm | 04/05/11

      “I think you’ll find most women love men… the ones who don’t behave like morons.”

      If so, then why is Hugh Hefner never without a girlfriend?

    • Tim says:

      03:26pm | 04/05/11

      Yep,
      people making a massive issue and claiming something is wrong with society because of an absolute tiny minority of offensive comments ON THE INTERNET, obviously have it correct.

      Wait a minute, can I have a go at this offence merchantry, it looks like fun?

      “But what do you really expect from a bunch of slobbering neanderthals who haven’t evolved much past wild animals, who’s brains are only programmed to eat and have sex?”

      OMFG, why do you hate all men so much?
      This is what’s wrong with society today - men who just want to be appreciated for their inner selves and be taken seriously for our thoughts and feeling have feminists constantly demonizing us as apes, pedophiles and rapists.
      Oh the horror of having to read such vile and disgusting comments.
      When will these evil feminists learn to respect men and not treat us so disgracefully

    • Nicole says:

      03:45pm | 04/05/11

      @St. Michael: Nothing quite like an old man who preys on young women who are either too insecure or too young to know they deserve better than being controlled with curfews and telling them what they can wear, how to behave and parading them around like objects, all to boost his own ego. 

      The predator always stalks the most vulnerable.

    • Nicole says:

      03:48pm | 04/05/11

      @Tim: I don’t hate men.  You couldn’t be more wrong.  I just choose to surround myself with the ones who treat me with respect.  My only disdain is for the ones who act like the ones in this article.

    • Tim says:

      04:07pm | 04/05/11

      Nicole,
      that’s the point.
      Everyone thinks the guys that wrote this stuff are immature, stupid idiots.
      Not one person here believes that the writers of those comments want to literally do those things to Pippa Middleton. Metaphors and exaggeration.
      However, to try and extrapolate these few random comments into a problem with society and “putting women in their place” is ridiculous.
      Overreaction would be an understatement.

    • Vern says:

      04:25pm | 04/05/11

      @Nicole

      And of course women never act like skanks, glass each other in nightclubs and always speak with a plumb in the mouth…

    • Ray says:

      04:29pm | 04/05/11

      Oh FFS Nicole get a life. Women objectify men publicly more than the reverse these days.. How long since your local club had male strippers. Bet they don’t have female strippers.

      Hugh Jackman for example is an ACTOR ,not a conduit for continual sexual inuendo.

      Simple thing is most men were floored by the simple beauty of ‘Pippa’. Some others that seem to have grabbed yours and Melinda’s attention are probably less than eloquent in their expression. But then again you have to take account that young men are subject to education bias that inhibits their literary competence, if not their eyesight and unmentionable urges.

      Note I have refrained from using the crass, gross remarks you have quoted in your haste to example the less than adequate expression. Or may be it is your own expression

      I think you are no better than the recalcitrants. Why do you have to drag through twitter to expurgate your thoughts.

      Also your use of neanderthal seems to be a default terminology that has just about lost meaning, as with misogony, through overuse, fits all expression.

      Meanwhile your contention that most women love men needs a bit of work. As for ‘respect’ there has been a concerted drive by women to disrespect men as a matter of course. We no longer do we have the aged gentleman as the pillar of respect in the family or neighbourhood because of the enthusiasm of your ilk, and feminist ideology, to discredit men, as that matter of course I refer to. More the aged gentleman of suspicion.

      So lay off the respect to your fellow humans bit please. 

      Also clarification on your ‘most women love men ....... the ones (women)who don’t (love men) behave like morons’. Seems like that is the closest you have come to the truth and I endorse that thought..

    • St. Michael says:

      04:45pm | 04/05/11

      @Nicole:

      “Nothing quite like an old man who preys on young women who are either too insecure or too young to know they deserve better than being controlled with curfews and telling them what they can wear, how to behave and parading them around like objects, all to boost his own ego.  The predator always stalks the most vulnerable.”

      (1) Pretty sure they’re all over 18 at the Playboy Mansion, therefore your argument of “too young” is a bit specious.

      (2) Seeing as it’s, y’know, the Playboy Mansion, the topic of greatest interest in the average Playboy magazine, and given the general insecurity “most” women seem to have about their own bodies, I find it hard to imagine insecurity is a viable argument, either.  Can’t think of many Playboy bunnies who’ve come out to rag the experience, either.

      Or even if you leave Hugh Hefner aside: why do a significant fraction of girls like bad boys—i.e. the ones who behave like morons?
      They do, you know.
      And they’re not all insecure.

      Or how about the wives of bikies? We’ve seen the interviews with them; the ones that stay with these guys seem to love their men very, very much.

      Did you want to recant your generalisation a bit there?

    • Sean says:

      11:35pm | 04/05/11

      Sorry Nicole, but I think it’s time to look in the mirror and see a little something called “prejudice”; you’re a misandrist.

    • Silver says:

      02:46pm | 04/05/11

      Isn’t the real issue here the difference between private and public thoughts.

      Would we really condemn somebody for having power fantasies?  Imagining being world dictator.  Imagining having immense wealth to be able to afford hundreds of servants for every whim.  Imagining being able to force people to agree with your views when your arguments fail.

      Of course corruption inevitably follows unchecked power, because we all have these private whims we’d enjoy being catered to.  It’s why checks and balances are so important.  It’s why transparency is important.  It’s the way we ensure greater community happiness by understanding and limiting the vanity and greed of those we grant power.

      That seems to me what’s going on here.  Seeing someone you find attractive and having an immediate shot of arousal is an emotional response.  That reaction is and must be okay.  Imagining an encounter with that person should be okay as well, regardless of the form of that imagined encounter.  Of course, acting out that encounter is not okay without the consent of the other person, but the imagination itself must be acceptable.  Sure, some of those comments are pretty awful, but I’m not going to pretend that I like every thought that goes through my head.

      Is it then okay to share those thoughts with someone else?  Close friends?  Strangers?  Colleagues?  Context, as always, matters.  The Internet has made it relatively easy for what would be private conversation in an earlier age, to be viewed by thousands who weren’t intended or invited to be part of the conversation.  Sure too that not every thought that goes through our heads needs to be written down or turned into media.  On the other hand, the thoughts we dismiss, the ones we don’t understand, and the ones we hate, are just as important to understand ourselves as the ones we feel comfortable saying out loud.

      So, I suppose what I’m saying is that I think it is fine that people have these kinds of thoughts.  I also think it is fine that they can share them.  It is not fine to forward them to the person they are about, and it is certainly not fine to act on them.  Whether anything published on the Internet can be considered part of a private conversation is a different question, but it seems enough of us do think at least some online communication should fall under this regard.

      Although, if you want to take about the real problems with inequality in regards to that wedding, this piece on the Drum was much more relevant and less superficial: http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/1092368.html

    • Steve says:

      05:31pm | 04/05/11

      Silver. Gold- Possibly the most sensible post I have ever read. I would love to know if you are a man or woman if that is not prying too much. Research purposes you know.

    • BK says:

      06:35pm | 04/05/11

      Hopefully, most women wouldn’t admit wanting to be flattered to the extent that the Middleton sisters were. It is sad that much of the media decided that female viewers might enjoy this nausiating avalanche of flattery.

    • David says:

      03:13pm | 04/05/11

      I am so glad I do not have your world view. I can’t imagine wasting so much time writing for B-grade publications, making massive generalisations and assumptions about the opposite sex, and trying to force them to behave the way I want them to. It’s incredibly presumptuous, and a little bit sad.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      03:39pm | 04/05/11

      Of all the horrific and terrible examples of abuse of females occurring right now in the world, you choose to focus on a few badly phrased macho comments and a Facebook page? Seriously?

      I mean, come ON! The Libyan army is apparently being given Viagra to aid them in raping women in Libya, it’s recently been exposed that as many as 60% of women working the red-light district of Amsterdam are trafficked women from Eastern Europe, working against their will, and there are several women on death row for adultery and other “crimes” in various countries. Hell, write about the denial of rights of women in France to wear what they choose - as that is a far more insidious example of misogyny than a few idiots typing about a figure hugging dress worn by a bridesmaid at a famous wedding.

      But I guess then you would actually have to acknowledge reality if you did this.

    • stephen says:

      03:55pm | 04/05/11

      Well now i remember seeing a picture of Dave Beckham and little lady Vic, (and is she a short arse. Ten inch heels and she still can’t get noticed at the airport bar, though i’ll give her this : she kin give hubby a goochie-goo and she don’t get dirty knees no more) and i thought i was seein the wrong couple gettin hitched.
      And where was elton ? Why, he was givin her a goochie-goo, and he WAS on his knees.

    • the Liberal Loafer says:

      04:21pm | 04/05/11

      men believe women’s personalities consist only of bums,breasts,legs,faces,teeth, and caves.
      women should be seen and not heard.
      Once the men can liberally see that the women are in labor, they disappear.
      They don’t want Your comment:

    • Gia says:

      04:26pm | 04/05/11

      There’s a difference between admiring someone’s beauty and stating that you want to inflict physical damage and injury on her with your penis until she can no longer walk. It’s very disturbing that some men think that this is a compliment to women. It’s also very sad that some women take it as a complement.

    • jade (the other one) says:

      04:46pm | 04/05/11

      I take it more as insecure men making crude references to the size of their penis than a desire to inflict actual physical damage.

      And I’ve heard plenty of women suggesting that men with large penises are not in fact men at all, but part beast. I find that far more offensive to the men in question.

    • Gia says:

      05:45pm | 04/05/11

      “I’d destroy her or at least bash her back doors in”

      “She would need a wheel chair and straw when I’d be finished with it”

      “That ass needs to be ruined and I want to be the man to do it”

      “Yes I would pound that hard”

      “I would show that rich bitch how we do it in Essex”

      “I’d smash her back doors in” (this is a popular one).

      “I would damage that”.

      “The things I would do to her are illegal in the U.S but not England hahaha, smash smash smash”

      “I’d knock her hips out”

      These are not compliments, nor are they references to penis size. They’re expressions of violence from men who seem to be heavily influenced by pornography - anal porn in particular, a vicious genre that revels in the brutal injury of women’s rectums.

      By the way, the reference to men with large penises as ‘beasts’ also comes directly from pornography and is most often used in a context of racism towards black men. I’m glad to hear that you find that offensive. You should.

    • Sean says:

      11:49pm | 04/05/11

      Gia, stop thinking that you know men. You know squat about men. You know less than squat. You and squat should go down to your local TAFE together and see if you can find a class on the basics of men.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      08:27am | 05/05/11

      @Gia, you must watch some strange anal porn. The kind I’ve viewed doesn’t seem to take delight in the damaging of women’s rectums so much as it does in the perceived enjoyment of the act by both parties.

      I think it insulting to suggest that anal pornography is concerned with the damaging of women’s rectums. Many, many women actually enjoy this act.

      I seriously doubt that any of the racist country girls I’ve heard make reference to men as part horse or part bull from the waist down would ever refer to a black man’s penis with such glowing praise. Mostly because they would never sleep with a black man - they are far too racist to do so. Most of them make the reference due to their extensive work with horses, and therefore their intimate knowledge of that part of a horse’s anatomy. They don’t watch pornography.

    • Septimus says:

      04:39pm | 04/05/11

      Melinda,

      Will we have a counterpunch from you tomorrow complaining about the sexualisation of men?

      I’m guessing not…

    • Gia says:

      06:25pm | 04/05/11

      I don’t know if there’s a Facebook group where a man who simply went to his sister’s wedding has been made made into pornography for the masses and reduced to ‘a piece of arse’, what’s more ‘a piece of arse’  that large numbers of women would like to violate and injure, preferably until he can no longer walk?

    • Ray says:

      08:05pm | 04/05/11

      Gia, you don’t need Facebook. Just walk down the street, listen to the radio, watch TV, enrol in a University degree in Women’s Affairs, Google the Ministry of Women’s Affairs in the Federal and all State Governments, the Sex Discrimination Commission, the Equal Opportunity Commission, read the Sex Discrimination (Against Women) Act, The Equal Opportunity Act, The Violence Against Women (only) convention, The Family Court, The Child Support Agency. In fact Google the friggin lot. That should keep you busy. It’ll become boring but their saving grace is they’re all consistent..

      Now I reckon that IS abuse. - Socially sanctioned.

      That leads us to the unenviable situation of a female Prime Minister installed at the collective behest of the forgoing, who has the track record of a Leprechaun and a credit list on a par with Glen McGrath’s batting average.

      Trouble is the forgoing is real and tangible. The Facbook comments on Pippa are just poor behaviour, not entrenched structural fabric that we are subject to under Legislation and articles of Law. Also read my preceding comment to Nicole.

      Good luck if you have an ounce of balance, rather than the force fed from birth mentality, indoctrinated into the female of our species, to their own detriment.

    • Septimus says:

      08:59pm | 04/05/11

      Yes,

      Pornography for the masses??? Pornography??? Masses???

      You exaggerate more than Melinda and that’s saying something.

      No woman has EVER objectified a man have they?

      Do you rage and protest when that happens?  I bet not!

      The Punch, the last bastion for the feminist nutjobs.  Hold the line sister!

    • Gia says:

      12:06am | 05/05/11

      Septimus, as I said before there’s a difference between healthy sexual atrraction and expressing a desire to seriously assault and injure a woman’s arse with your penis. This idea comes directly from pornography and is what is being expressed all over that website over and over again to a worldwide audience. I do not exxagerate. It’s nice to see that you recognise that this behaviour is unnacceptable since it seems you would be offended if it were done to a man. It’s a valid criticism, which is why I and others are making it.

      Ray, I read your comment to Nicole regarding respect. I believe respect is owed to those who respect others, regardless of age or sex. I don’t believe that this incident has anything to do with respect and I think it’s worthwhile to say so. I would hope that decent men would pull other men up on that kind of behaviour rather than go on the defensive and attack women who merely point it out.

    • Ray says:

      08:20am | 05/05/11

      Gia, in general it’s not the men’s behaviour that needs pulling up. Women have dined out on men for decades without restraint. It’s culturally embedded.

      Get a few women to pull other women up on their behaviour and ideology towards men.  Women have lost any support of men standing up for behaviour towards women. Self inflicted through their own actions.

      Make your own bed if you sleep in it. Women have drawn the division, the line in the sand, and must live with their actions.

    • Steve says:

      04:46pm | 04/05/11

      It’s all very well but can she cook?

    • Abbottabad says:

      06:06pm | 04/05/11

      Well if nobody else is going to mention the elephant in the room, then I’ll leave it to Jack Marx back in 2008 ...

      “Too often, Constitutional Feminism is an opening for a type of politicised evangelism. Take the Australian Women’s Forum, for example. Dig beneath the veneer of feminism that dolls up their website and you find a solid god-fearing bedrock that looks less of a feminist “think tank” than a conservative Christian lobby group whose overriding priority is to criminalise abortion. Such people masquerade as academics and concerned intellectuals when in fact they are more like products of a politicised nunnery, blindly enslaved to an ancient text and angry at the knights who never came knocking.”

      And guess who we find listed in their We recommend you read section.

      p.s. If you’re wondering who Jack Marx’s article referred to, you’ll find the answer in the comments which were posted before his article was taken down, their name removed from it, and it was later reposted.

    • The Liberal Loafer says:

      06:18pm | 04/05/11

      Paul Keating ,Australia’s greatest ever male Prime Minister,  once said
      “Australia is the arse end of the earth/world”
      To avoid the media, shouldn’t Pippa live amongst other arse enders instead of eastenders??

    • Anna says:

      06:34pm | 04/05/11

      Dear Melinda,

      CHILL.

      Kind regards,
      Anna

    • Kreb says:

      06:40pm | 04/05/11

      Dear Melinda

      Please stop trying to tell us how to think and get back into the kitchen.

    • Jackie says:

      07:03pm | 04/05/11

      Thanks for another great article Melinda. I am gobsmacked after reading those comments from the facebook page- how absolutely revolting. I’ve just returned from a service remembering the women, children & couple of men who died from domestic violence assault in the last 12 months. These comments demonstrate that we have such a huge issue in our society of objectifying & disrespecting women. We all need to play our part in speaking up.

    • Why share? says:

      07:18pm | 04/05/11

      If anyone ever wondered why women would be happy to wear a burqa. Think no more.

      If anyone ever wondered why men would be happy for their women to wear a burqa. Think no more.

      Some men and women are acutely aware of what goes on in the mind of the unsophisticated and crude.

      Why share what isn’t appreciated or treated with the respect it deserves?

    • Adam says:

      07:51pm | 04/05/11

      Wow. Learn to hyperbole?

    • Amanda says:

      08:08pm | 04/05/11

      Pippa looked gorgeous, her slender form was beautifully set off by her gown.
      Why do women persist in putting other women down or, as a result of failure of being able to do this validly - villify men for their appreciation of a gorgeous woman?!  Jealous - much?

    • Jane says:

      11:00pm | 04/05/11

      It’s not women who are putting Pippa Middleton down. It’s not men who are being villified here. Why do some women confuse degrading insults with complements? Denial much?

    • Vitriol says:

      09:10pm | 04/05/11

      I love the feminist bile on this site.

      My question is the male eunuchs purporting to be journo’s?  How does it feel to know the female journo’s have your genitals in their handbags and you don’t stand up for yourselves?

    • Glen says:

      09:38pm | 04/05/11

      This article is great - finally the militant lesbian feminist agenda is plain for all to see.

      I’m starting to think women won’t be happy til us neanderthals are all mere donors for their test-tubes. The test-tube little boys of these single mothers are going to be very f***** in the head - ironically I suppose like a lot of girls/women today.

      I weep for society, but not for the reasons articulated in the article. Plus I fear for the future when the more masculine Asian/Islamic societies will begin to dominate us. Ah I forgot our wives will fight for us thanks to the Gillard Government…

    • Sean says:

      11:43pm | 04/05/11

      Don’t be silly, Glen; they’d abort the boys.

    • GoodGravey says:

      10:17pm | 04/05/11

      I would laugh at all these incredibly pathetic, weak, self-centred men who really have such little idea of, well, anything, that they have to fall back on the old standards of de-railing, mansplaining and harrassment.

      And the oh-so-common “man-hating feminists”.  Here’s an idea - maybe all these feminists don’t actually hate men - it is personal - they just hate you.  I have received nothing but respect from the feminist community.

      I have never felt myself hated by women, in fact I consider myself a feminist.  I have never felt threatened, or that my masculinity has been threatened by strong women speaking out about what they feel is important to them.

      So many of these comments talk about violent sexual activity (with no regard to consent).  I am left without the slightest wonder why we hear men complain that women accuse all men of being rapists.  Judging by your comments, we all are.

      @Gia:  Great comments.

      Here’s a tip for the men out there.  Grow a pair of balls and learn to listen to women.  To what their concerns are.  To why the sort of crap language you all spout is so offensive.

      And to those being so critical of Melinda, I suggest you take the trouble and exercise your tiny brains to read more of her articles.  You might just see her opposition to sexism in general.

    • Sally says:

      06:02am | 05/05/11

      “I am left without the slightest wonder why we hear men complain that women accuse all men of being rapists.  Judging by your comments, we all are.”

      Someone left the gate open on the idiot paddock…

    • Ray says:

      08:24am | 05/05/11

      GoodGravy, If I were you I wouldn’t go near the ‘grow a pair of balls’ matter.
      Sounds as though your wheels never dropped at birth when smacked on the arse by the nurse.

      Just because you are a snivelling double agent,  that doesn’t make you any James Bond (who women would wish to sexually objectify)

    • Lauren Grace says:

      10:53pm | 04/05/11

      Why are men and women at loggerheads? Why do we have to remain so separate. There should be no general, no conventional expression of gender we should conform to just because we were born with either a penis or a vagina. Let’s stop taking sides just because of our sex and realize that being a feminist has nothing to do with “hating all men”, and being a man does not necessarily demand the objectification of women. We need to work TOGETHER in order to combat all the wrongs of society, such as the sexualization of children, the acceptance of “beauty” as the only measure of somebody’s worth etc. This diatribe is so tedious and so full of misdirected anger. People need to be educated about the whys and wherefores of feminism and misogyny before they start hurling abuse at one another based on a poor understanding of the topic being discussed. Then perhaps said anger can be channelled into a useful and powerful means of making the world a better and fairer place. Ultimately, what this all boils down to is respect.

    • john Smythe says:

      12:47am | 05/05/11

      I’m with Lauren on this. this article is just like those extreme comments against women. EXTREME. Has society become so fickle that we look to the extreme to make mountains of molehills to generalise?

      Why are we giving cyberspace to either field? We should be focusing on pushing humanity (is it OK to have “man” in that word….) farther.

      >>>This diatribe is so tedious and so full of misdirected anger.

      Totally agree.

    • stephen says:

      01:56am | 05/05/11

      Everything went so well until ‘boils’.
      And why ‘respect ?’ It’s artiface unless at face to
      face we can dissolve spoils.

    • Erick says:

      07:44am | 05/05/11

      Lauren, men and women are at loggerheads because around fifty years ago, feminists started a war against men. Now, some men are beginning to fight back.

      It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

    • Catherine Rose says:

      09:10pm | 16/05/11

      Hey Erick

      You say Feminists started a WAR on men 50 years ago and now men are fighting back?

      So what do you call the systematic degradation of women since the start of time? Love and nature?

    • Melinda is living in the past says:

      11:45pm | 04/05/11

      Jesus Melinda - get back into Church and stay there.

      This is 2011, not 1900….

    • James says:

      12:56am | 05/05/11

      Let me get this straight, it’s okay for women to be shallow judgemental cows when it comes to how others dress, but it’s not okay for men to admire a beautiful derriere?

    • Seano says:

      08:31am | 05/05/11

      “My tongue, pipas bum! Lol!”

      “I would like to lick that ass till its covered in my saliva, then jizz on it. sooo sexxy …”

      “I’d destroy her or at least bash her back doors in”

      “She would need a wheel chair and straw when I’d be finished with it xxbig Matty chambers xxx”

      Would you like your mum, wife, sister or daughter publicly admired in that way?

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      01:09pm | 05/05/11

      @Seano, I don’t like being publically admired that way. I don’t think its appropriate behaviour. My issue is with the suggestion that it somehow makes these men who make these comments similar to rapists.

      They are not suggesting that they will force themselves on Phillipa Middleton. They are merely making asinine and childish comments about the size of their penises.

      I would be very angry to see my son singled out in a newspaper article over some immature, thoughtless comments on a Facebook page and accused of intending to rape or cause injury to a woman. The comments made by these men (or boys as this is the more correct term), reflect the typical male practice of overexaggerating their dick size. Most boys make very similar comments constantly. It does not mean that they really wish to cause injury, or force a woman into sex acts without her consent. It simply means that they wish people to think that they are more endowed than they are.

    • Thanks Jade says:

      07:30am | 09/05/11

      Thank you Jade for explaining that. That makes it all good then.

      It also explains why with mothers like you we end up with guys like that.

      Are you for real? Please don’t answer.

    • isis says:

      08:30am | 05/05/11

      The celebrity diet has always been drugs like cocaine yet uncle Gary is the fattest member of the family.

    • OchreBunyip says:

      08:58am | 05/05/11

      Pippa’s arse has become porn for the slobbering MINORITY is a more accurate headline, but it wouldn’t be as provocative. In the spirit of NAWALT I offer you NAMALT and some tissues for your e-tears. Welcome to the internet, harden up.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      09:49am | 05/05/11

      I thought “porn” was porn for the slobbering masses

    • Dan says:

      04:05pm | 05/05/11

      Gold - comment of the thread HTPM.

    • Ray says:

      10:42am | 05/05/11

      How good is Pippa’s arse? Well I think I’d have to sleep on that before giving an answer.

    • Terri says:

      11:58am | 05/05/11

      Hey Melinda, ever seen the Dancingbear? Case Closed.

    • Nicholls says:

      06:28pm | 05/05/11

      As a woman, I would feel both offended and very, very afraid if those comments were being made about me or any other woman I know. Not all women are “fortunate” enough to understand that expressing the desire “to put us in a wheelchair” or “destroy us” is friendly banter or simple metaphor. And even if it is - is it supposed to suddenly put us at ease?

      That said, I don’t think Melinda is on the right track by implying that these views come from the masses or that every man is like this. And hating on men by generalising about it is not helpful or even fair.

      But regarding the men who HAVE actually made these comments, I find it distressing and offensive. I’m not saying the comments should be pulled down; free speech reigns, and all that. But it’s maybe a sad reflection on society that the men in question have felt the need to express their views so crudely and crassly - and so publicly. Why not keep it to themselves and their friends? That’s what I don’t understand.

      Just as I acknowledge that not all men think/behave this way, and even that not all men who DO think/behave this way ACTUALLY intend the violence they verbalise, I also think it’s worth acknowledging that not all women are (a) feminists (or were even born when the feminist movement began, as someone pointed out); (b) enjoy being turned into a sexual object; or (c) want that kind of attention or try to seek it through dress, behaviour or otherwise. We’re not all flirtatious, we’re not all skanky. Not all of us want to be in porn videos and get laid by anyone we can. Some of us want to live our lives quietly or privately and without feeling like a piece of meat.

      Generalisation isn’t helpful for anyone in this argument. I’d just like to explain why, as a woman, I would find those comments upsetting if made about me or my girlfriends or family (even with the clarification that it’s just a way for a man to talk about how well-endowed he is). And yes, I find it repulsive when women make similarly violent “metaphoric” statements about men’s genitalia too. Not acceptable either, ladies.

      It won’t change, and it would be naive for me to expect it to, or ask it to. But in terms of the minority of men who indulge in this kind of public degradation (and perhaps the men who support it without doing it themselves) it saddens me that a little bit of respect for other human beings (and in this specific case, another sex) hasn’t gone a long way.

    • Ray says:

      08:40pm | 05/05/11

      No it hasn’t has it Nicholls. Ask women why so many of them are like it towards men.

    • Nicholls says:

      10:29pm | 05/05/11

      I’ll do my best to ask them all…might take awhile though…

      Yes, I know women can be and often are just degrading to men, and I don’t think it’s excusable either…

      ...But that’s not what’s happened in this particular scenario, which I thought was the core of the debate. If the nature of the comments specifically referenced in this article were the other way round - i.e. written by women, about men - I’d share the exact same sentiments.

    • Ray says:

      08:15am | 06/05/11

      Well FFS Nicholls I’ve never seen a woman offer those sentiments. Women have dined out on men for decades without restraint, aided and abetted by the tabloids and all other media, plus a hopelessly politically correct society.

      Like all women you are the exponent or protegonist of all the actions you decry.

    • Pete says:

      01:49pm | 06/05/11

      I’m a bloke and I couldn’t agree more. It’s weak, insecure men who revel in that crap. It’s a petty way some men attempt to elevate themselves in the biological pecking order. Most don’t even realise that. By talking big of attaining females they feel more like an alpha, and indeed to fellow morons they appear like an alpha. Real alpha males don’t need to showboat behind a computer. They just are, and in person make the keyboard warriors look like socially retarded runts. Modern men need to stop acting like 13 yr old boys and grow up. You’re not hard or manly if you disrespect females, you’re just a tosser.

    • Bloke says:

      04:32pm | 13/05/11

      I once overheard by accident a woman referring to me in this way “I’d really like to smash that up right now.”  She blushed beetroot and I made as if I had not understood or missed the relevant connecting statement previous to it.  To me thats a compliment, she shared it amongst her female friends.  Now just because its a little crude does not mean it is offensive or degrading.  Feminists, please go burn your bras and natter with a gay friend and leave reality to the rest of us.

    • We're not animals. says:

      06:32pm | 28/05/11

      I am going to echo the sentiments of many of the intelligent people above me. There is a difference between humans and animals, and that difference lies in the frontal cortex of the brain, the capacity for self control and the application of inhibition of thoughts. That’s not to say that it’s wrong for men to have sexual fantasies or explore their sexual sides, but that doesn’t mean that it’s something that has to be in the public domain with blatant disregard for the impact of your thoughts on others. Everyone fantasises about other people they find attractive, but what exemplifies that you are able to exercise executive functioning is the ability to control the link between your mind and your mouth (or in this case, fingers).
      As a woman, I can reiterate, yes, we like compliments. But something said that reduces us to an object purely of sexual desire (and something so disposable as to be ‘smashed in’) is NOT a compliment. Rather it’s a reflection on the particular male’s inability to
      1. Recognise that he may need to think before he speaks
      2. Not everyone will perceive his ‘compliment’ as he intended

      Condoning this kind of talk only serves to perpetuate the lack of equality between genders, for as long as it’s ok to talk publicly about women like this, and as long as there are plenty of people to jump on the band-wagon and say it’s just men being men (whether the supporters be male or female), then women will always be the ‘weaker sex’.

    • Luke says:

      09:52pm | 03/06/11

      She HAS got a great arse…
      in me saying that can she sue me for sexual hassassment the way some girl on the street probably could?
      The fact that she can’t, is that not a double standard?

    • PW says:

      05:26pm | 16/06/11

      When I ride my bicycle some folk in cars like to shout out things or even throw things occasionally. They believe they will not be called to account for their behaviour and most of the time (but not always) they are right.

      The internet is a thing whereby people, if they wish, can say pretty much whatever they like, in total anonymity and with little to no likelihood of being called to account (unless its so serious the cops become interested). The same sort of people who like to piss me off on my bike, like just as much (probably more as the payoff in the form of articles like this is far more tangible) to piss off the Melinda Tankard Reists of the world.

      Some people are not bound by common courtesy,decency, and respect for their fellow man which is why we need laws. The internet is a cesspit of such behaviour.

      Articles like this only empower such folk, and would really be better not written.

    • Terence says:

      08:59am | 30/06/11

      Bad taste is just that, and really no excuses can justifying using it or expressing it excepting maybe in a personal loving way to your partner in a discreet private fashion. All this talk about free speech is just another excuse to show the world how vulgar and totally lacking in good taste you are.

 

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