They walked past a sign asking them not to climb Uluru / Reuters

I once fulfilled my sole annual Mass attendance at Notre Dame in Paris, which is a pretty good place for bad Catholics to pretend they are actually quite holy for an hour.

Settled into my spot on the pew I started practicing my “mmmm, I understand” face, in preparation for a service entirely in French, from which I was sure to catch about three words.

Then in swarmed the busload from Malibu, with their large bottoms snuggly encased in khaki shorts, his-and-hers T-shirts, and enough happy snappy cameras to document a World War.

“Oh, look honey, those windows are sooooo pretty… and check out those darling little candles, I wonder if they sell them in the gift shop”. My pious reverie was broken.

As spiritual obstruction goes it was, admittedly, on the lower end of the scale. But it annoyed the hell (oops, sorry) out of me at the time and I thought about it a lot when a couple of years later I visited Uluru.

Unless you’ve been there it is impossible to understand what a profound presence the rock is. Those of us who have seen it can try to describe it to the uninitiated, we’ve all seen the pictures, but it is one of those things you have to see for yourself to comprehend.

The Northern Territory government is furious at Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett over a plan to stop visitors climbing to the top of Uluru.

His Federal counterpart Greg Hunt is spitting chips over the 10-year draft management plan for Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park.

“Under the Garrett plan, visitors from around Australia and the world would be stopped from completing the majestic and exhilarating journey,” Mr Hunt said yesterday.

“I have always suspected that closing the rock to walkers was on Labor’s agenda. Today we see the start of their plan to end one of the great tourism experiences in Australia.”

This morning Mr Hunt’s spokesman told The Punch the shadow minister had climbed the rock at age 11. In the five visits he has made as an adult he chose not to climb in deference to the request of the traditional owners, but he “respects the views of those to did wish to climb.”

It’s weird to me then that he sees Uluru as “tourist experience,” like it’s the same thing as climbing the Harbour Bridge.

It’s like equating the Sistine Chapel to Disneyland, or Istanbul’s Blue Mosque to the London Eye.

There are signs at Uluru requesting visitors respect the wishes of the traditional owners not to climb. Despite this 100,000 every year stomp past the sign and fulfill their “tourism experience.”

These are the same people who take their shoes off before entering a mosque, because that’s what they’re asked to do. They dress modestly in temples and (mostly) talk quietly in cathedrals, and resist the urge to take flash photographs of the Mona Lisa.

I find it secretly pleasing that quite a few of them over the years have died while trying to scale Uluru. For many it is the most exercise they’ve had in decades.

And the stupid thing is, I can’t possibly imagine how climbing Uluru is the best way to appreciate the spiritual, historical and physical enormity of it.

I went there with a mid-sized group, almost all of whom were determined to “conquer” the rock. So well before dawn I set off by myself to walk anti-clockwise the whole way around. In those four or five hours I ran into very few other people and most of the time felt like I had the whole thing to myself.

I saw views and angles those 100,000 missed out on while they were huffing and puffing and pushing their way through the crowd on the face of the rock.

Later, with everyone else, I watched it change colour a million times as the sun set.

As “tourism experiences” go, I bet mine was more memorable and special than any of theirs. And according to The Australian this morning, research done three years ago found 98 per cent of visitors would still come to Uluru even if climbing was banned.

Peter Garrett, frustratingly, hasn’t said what he thinks about a ban. His office says there are two months for people to express their view before the draft management plan is signed off by the park’s board, and banning the climb is just one of the options being considered.

Come on Minister. How about you lead the discussion rather than follow it?

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    • Margaret Gray says:

      09:31am | 09/07/09

      “...resist the urge to take flash photographs of the Mona Lisa…”

      The Mona Lisa hangs in the Louvre.  Whose ‘church’ is that?

    • Eric says:

      09:39am | 09/07/09

      If they ban climbing on the Rock, then all those tourists will crowd the base instead.

      Like Tory, I found the base of the Rock quiet and contemplative.

      Of course, if climbing were banned, some people would sneak up at night. That would be pretty awesome too.

    • Tim says:

      09:54am | 09/07/09

      C’mon your joking right.
      Comparing the sistine chapel or any chapel or mosque, which was built specifically for worship, to a naturally occuring rock is just stupid. 
      If the Aborigines had built Ayers Rock you might have a point, but they didn’t.
      Just because a group says they have spiritual links to a natural place doesn’t mean they should be able to control what others do there.

    • RT says:

      10:32am | 09/07/09

      I visited Uluru many years ago and climbed the rock. I had an idea to walk along its length at the top, thinking it was more or less smooth. It’s not, it’s quite a difficult walk. I would have enjoyed the visit just as much had climbing the rock been prohibited as it’s magic to walk around it’s base and view it from different angles. I wouldn’t climb it again.  I don’t believe a climbing ban will affect tourism.  As long as they don’t ban walking in Katatjuta, the collection of peaked rocks (formerly known as the Olgas) about 20 km away. For me, walking in there was more enjoyable than climbing the rock. I don’t agree with Tim of 9:54am. We have taken so much of Australia from the original inhabitants. Remote lands must be allowed to remain under their control. If they don’t want us to climb the rock, we shouldn’t.

    • Paul Tanner says:

      10:35am | 09/07/09

      Its a natural occurrence not man-made .So people can worship it or climb it.Its not aboriginal built and owned ,so they cannot control who utilizes it.

    • Steve says:

      10:55am | 09/07/09

      Tim summed up this piece of whiney pious drivel perfectly.

    • JP says:

      11:03am | 09/07/09

      I am an Native Australian born and bread.  Why can’t I challenge my manhood and attempt the climb as the Aborigines have, testing there young men and there transformation into manhood for centuries.  In this multicultural society why are we still setting boundries determined from the colour of the skin of the different cultures

    • Bart says:

      11:03am | 09/07/09

      What a load of rubbish, and I agree with Tim and Paul Tanner. It is a natural feature, and nobody owns it or has more right to it than anyone else. Go and look at Undara and see how commercial organisation has screwed up the experience there. Keep the rules off Ayres Rock, or it wil become a commercial rip off just like Undara.

    • O says:

      11:06am | 09/07/09

      I am thinking of putting together a group that opposes climbing Sydney Harbour Bridge.  It is a national icon for crying out loud, how dare the government allow dirty rotten tourist feet walk all over it!!!!  While we are at it all those scuba diving tours on the Great Barrier Reef surely they are increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the water and therfore the amount of carbonic acid.  The tourists are killing the reef…. get them out of there!!!

    • Zedimus says:

      11:06am | 09/07/09

      I love the “Its a natural formation so we can do whatever we want” arguments.
      By this reasoning I could park my caravan out the front of your house and climb about in your trees.
      I know its a free country, but this situation is more about showing some level of respect.

    • Chris says:

      11:06am | 09/07/09

      Must be a slow news day hey Tory… Maybe we should ban people from climbing Hanging Rock while we’re at it? Perhaps you wouldn’t write such drivel if you actually climbed it.  What a waste of 752 words.

    • stu says:

      11:09am | 09/07/09

      Everything associated with the rock is a money spinning exercise. You have to pay $25 per person for a 3 day pass to the National Park. Most visitors are only there for a day or two if they’re lucky, but a 3 day pass is the minimum you can purchase. That’s a ripoff in itself. If the “traditional owners” are so upset about people climbing it, why was it not stopped when they were given control back in the late 80’s or early 90’s. They’ve enjoyed millions of dollars in tourist dollars since then. But where does it go? If you look at the state of the Mutijulu (sp?) community that resides a couple of km’s east of the rock you’d think they were living in a 3rd world country. So it begs the question where is all the money going? If you aren’t paying to climb the rock, then what are you paying for? I’ve been and climbed it multiple times and would definitely not have felt like I’d gotten my money’s worth if I couldn’t. If anything, climbing to the top helps you truly appreciate the beauty, enormity and massive expanses of not only the rock itself, but the surrounding landscape.

    • A says:

      11:09am | 09/07/09

      Given that the indigenous beliefs are shamanistic, then pretty much any hill, stream and flat piece of land could also become “culturally sensitive”.  If all tourists can do is sit and look, then you can not expect people to pay many thousands of dollars just to fly to Australia, and many more to trek out to see a rock.  Tourism in the area will drop, and become uneconomic, and the hotels in the area will close up and there will be not jobs, not income and no prospects for those in the area.  I find it objectionable that to appease some factions that it is no longer called Ayers Rock.  Those who wish to call it what ever the locals claim it is called can do so.

    • iansand says:

      11:11am | 09/07/09

      I need to understand Tim and Steve.  If the long term locals built a hut up there everything would change?  Built items are somehow more significant than naturally occurring things?  That seems to be a very narrow conception of what can be spiritually important.

      I have climbed Uluru (a long time ago) and walked around it.  Apart from any question of respecting the views of the traditional owners, I would not bother climbing the thing again.  But I look forward to my next circumambulation.

      Maybe they could just remove the chain.  That would thwart 90% of climbers.

    • LM says:

      11:11am | 09/07/09

      Different religions/ethnic minorities have different practices - the Catholics choose to worship in oppulent buildings but the Aboriginies choose to worship the land - why is that so hard to understand?
      It’s a matter of respect, more so, mutual respect - Tory was making a point that when you go into the Duomo in Milan you need to cover your shoulders purely out of respect because it’s a place considered sacred to Catholics and it’s the same with Uluru for the Aboriginies, it’s considered sacred to them and we should respect that - whether they built it or ‘own’ it is irrelevant.

    • Anthony says:

      11:12am | 09/07/09

      Do you reckon the large-bottomed Malibu crowd would climb the rock?  Maybe they could gather round the base taking photos and talking loudly.  Or is that the next thing to cause offence?

    • Dean says:

      11:12am | 09/07/09

      The Aborigines were the first race to stake claim to Australia, all other races that now call Australia home & those who visit should respect there requests. I was born in the UK, so I am speaking from the other side. If I had visitors to my house and they walked over my lawn and I did not want them to, I would ask them not to. Never having been to Uluru, I can say I would like to climb up there and have a look but if they don’t want me to I won’t. RESPECT.

    • Peter says:

      11:16am | 09/07/09

      Instead of banning it, create an educated, eco controlled walk where tourists learn about the culture, significance and importance of Uluru in regards to the original inhabitants, the environment and what it means to current Australians.  Perhaps even limit the amount of people that climb it in a year, day or week.

    • Chester C says:

      11:19am | 09/07/09

      Stop charging the fee to get into the park then. Hmmm can’t see the traditional business owne….erm I mean traditional land owners subscribing to that.

    • bob says:

      11:21am | 09/07/09

      We as a family will be making the pilgramage to climb the rock before it is banned. i think that says it all.

    • Lawn says:

      11:25am | 09/07/09

      Uluru holds the same significance to aborignal people as the sistine chapel does to catholics and therefore should be treated with reverence and respect. Obviously most of the people making comments such as “they cannot control who utilizes it” because ‘Its a natural occurrence not man-made’ are completely ignorant of the fact that it’s not a question of whether it is man made or not, it is the significance it holds to their faith. I’d suggest that these people are the same ones that disagreed with apologising to the stolen generation.

    • Trent says:

      11:27am | 09/07/09

      “I find it secretly pleasing that quite a few of them over the years have died while trying to scale Uluru. For many it is the most exercise they’ve had in decades.”
      You should be ashamed of yourself Tory Maguire for making such a calous comment. How would you feel if some one close to you died in a horrible way whilst trying to have fun and someone else comments on it.

    • James says:

      11:28am | 09/07/09

      I completely reject any religious analogy.  Although if you must, a more accurate comparison would be a sign out the front of churches saying only christians may enter.

    • Tim says:

      11:28am | 09/07/09

      Dean,
      Seeing as you were born in the UK,
      I assume you are petitioning the British Government to give back Ireland to the Irish, Wales to the Welsh and Scotland to the Scots.
      IThey were there first. RESPECT.

    • Helen says:

      11:36am | 09/07/09

      Good on you Tory. Most of the comments here are an illustration of the saying “knows the price of everything and the value of nothing” - I think the guy who complained he “wouldn’t get his money’s worth” is a great example of why our society is the way it is. Thanks to Zedimus for showing that some of us repudiate that way of thinking. And Insand’s idea of removing the chain is spot on. We could just issue a Darwin award to young silverbacks trying to “prove their manhood” after that.

    • Andy Thomas says:

      11:46am | 09/07/09

      To those opposition MPs and tourists who turn up to Ulura, climb it, watch a sunset, then disappear, then they are denying themselves the true “Uluru experience”.

      There is so much more to offer - a culture, a heritage, a mythology.

      The “TRUE” Uluru experience is education & awareness, understanding & appreciation, not climbing & conquering.

      When I was 12 in 1978 & we went on a school tour - yes, I climbed, because that was what was done back then and there was no effort then to educate us about its cultural significance. When I returned last year with my son, I chose not to climb, it would have felt wrong to climb. I allowed my son to make up his own mind; he also chose not to climb. Instead we chose to understand what this place really means.

      One suggestion based on personal experience: if you want to go on a tour, strongly suggest you go on the ones run by the Parks & Wildlife service because (1) they’re free, and (2) they’re there to impart their knowledge & appreciation on to you, not just generate a tourist buck.

    • Michael says:

      11:47am | 09/07/09

      Try & stop me! I’ve climbed it before & will do it again.

    • Andy says:

      11:47am | 09/07/09

      Its a rock a huge rock i am told what impact would people climbing a very small part of it have to do with destroying it ? Just silly ... soon we will not be able to enjoy anything in life as everything will be controlled and protected ....

    • Mato says:

      11:53am | 09/07/09

      I have a spiritual connection to my workplace, maybe that means I don’t have to come in for the rest of my life… I don’t want people walking all around this spiritual place.  Hell yeah!

    • Jah says:

      11:54am | 09/07/09

      What selfish people Australians!!!!!!  The Rock is a holy place for Aborigines, this is very important.  Yes the Rock is not artificial but natural!  That’s why we can not built it at all.  We have to cherish it as well as extinct animals.  This country is Aborigine’s.  We have to respect them and their feeling. 

    • Anthony says:

      11:58am | 09/07/09

      I highly doubt many of the 100,000 people who climb Ayres Rock think about any ‘spiritual’ aspect. It’s a big rock. People like to climb it, because it’s a big rock.

    • Jane says:

      11:59am | 09/07/09

      Why is it so important to climb a freaking rock? It’s not that hard to do, but it does upset native landholders.
      People who want to climb Uluru are the same who use the word “do” when talking about travel, e.g, ‘I did Rome, I did Paris’.
      Travel is not a list of cliched achievements to cross of a list. It is about experiencing and respecting different cultures. You wouldn’t walk down a street in Saudi Arabia while wearing a bikini, so why not have some respect in your own homeland?
      I’m proud I went to Uluru and didn’t climb it.

    • Keiron says:

      12:00pm | 09/07/09

      I’m 4th generation Australian so where am I from and what’s mine?

    • Alan Baskett says:

      12:02pm | 09/07/09

      When I climbed Ayers Rock in 1959 the nearest aboriginal I saw was at Curtain Springs and there were no building at all near the Rock

    • denise says:

      12:06pm | 09/07/09

      I know it’s virtually impossible for some people in this country to show any respect for Aboriginal people and their cultural sites.  They selfishly feel that they are entitled to behave and speak about us, as if we were a non people, who are not deserving of any respect at all.  As an Aboriginal person, I feel this every day when I go about my business.  The sideline glances, making sure there is no eye contacts, or visible touching of body or clothing, as if I’m contagious of something they cannot see.  Once a lady moved out of her seat so as not to sit near me, and that hurt.  Only reason I could thing of, was because I was Aboriginal, and this makes me sad, simply because these people are so scared of what they do not, and never will understand, but you know what, I’m always proud inside because they can never take away the fact that I come from a people who have been here for thousands of years, and l know that my culture will still be here when all others have long gone.

    • Tim says:

      12:07pm | 09/07/09

      Zedimus,
      What a stupid comparison
      if I had a nationally significant natural icon in my backyard, i would be happy to give others access to it. I would also not be so presumptuous to think that any spiritual connection i have with any land formation was more important than other Australian’s rights.

    • Steve says:

      12:09pm | 09/07/09

      Walking around the rock seems a much more interesting option!

    • SW says:

      12:15pm | 09/07/09

      What a load of BS.  If the Aboriginals can climb it [which they did], anyone can climb it.  The earth belongs to God, not man.

    • Peter says:

      12:15pm | 09/07/09

      It is a unique Australian experience to climb the rock. It is something that all Australian’s should do at least once in their lives.
      It is inspiring.

    • Eugene says:

      12:16pm | 09/07/09

      This drivel fires me up.

      I wonder, if Ayers Rock wasn’t a tourist attraction, would it still be culturally sensistive? I highly doubt it.

      Recent history is dotted with examples of areas of land becoming “sacred” as soon as it’s going to be commercially exploited. Then when justification is sought it’s all “secret women’s business”.

      The authors logic has been skewed by political correctness. It’s part of Australia, we as a nation own it, it’s my birthright. The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few.

    • john walker says:

      12:17pm | 09/07/09

      this is racial prejudism against non aboriginal races.

    • Allan says:

      12:17pm | 09/07/09

      The rock belongs to everybody.  Black, white, brown yellow or purple.  As it stands now - everyone is informed of the significance and they have a choice.  That is they way it should stay.

      Lest it become another Magenta Shores!!!!!!

    • Stew says:

      12:17pm | 09/07/09

      Ayres Rock belongs to Australians - all of us regardless of skin colour. The cultural significance of the Rock is a modern phenomena that arose to public consciousness when the Yulara resort was constructed. The community that lived nearby the Rock prior to this wouldn’t have given a rats bum about climbing the Rock back then.

    • cam says:

      12:29pm | 09/07/09

      “I find it secretly pleasing that quite a few of them over the years have died while trying to scale Uluru. For many it is the most exercise they’ve had in decades.”

      You’re sick. This is my first time to this website, it may now be my last. If you want people to treat this as a serious blog try and not be a total extremist.

    • Anne says:

      12:31pm | 09/07/09

      Your kidding right?  Trying to deliberately provoke a response?  Otherwise, what sort of religion to you really believe in?  People who don’t do what you want die and your happy.  There’s a name for that type of attitude, but Godwin’s law prevents me using it.
      You can’t imagine how climbing something would help you appreciate it’s size?  You lack imagination.
      Your experiences are better than other peoples?  Maybe you do have an imagination after all.
      Climbing causes you to miss out on other experiences?  It’s possible to do both.
      Not climbing is the same as taking off your shoes?  Would you feel the same if you weren’t allowed into Notre Dame and could only appreciate it from the outside?
      So the religious beliefs of one group should determine the actions of all?  I think there are beliefs that you would not support. 
      Yes the minister should lead the congregation, er discussion.  He should lead it into sensible debate and not the sort of nonsense that you

    • Daniel says:

      12:34pm | 09/07/09

      Religion is an old tired excuse, to quote a famous scouser - “Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I will be proved right.’ If you swap “Christianity” with “Religion” that makes perfect sence, but if you swap “Christianity” with “Ayres Rock” you would be mad, that thing is gonna hand around for a few thousand years yet and I wanna climb it!

    • Barry says:

      12:36pm | 09/07/09

      Well done, clever strategy marketing team, i see what youre doing.

    • Casey says:

      12:36pm | 09/07/09

      Have you noticed that it is only those who have already experienced the climb that want to deprive the rest of us of the choice to do it ourselves?

    • Alex says:

      12:37pm | 09/07/09

      This article reeks of elitism and arrogance. Let everybody enjoy it I say!

    • Marek says:

      12:41pm | 09/07/09

      Regarding climbing the Sistine Chapel and the Blue Mosque, some stunning religious buildings can be climbed, take Florence’s Duomo Cathedral. It is also insulting to Western and Islamic civilisation that a giant rock should be equated to works of architectural art created by human ingenuity.

    • Bluey says:

      12:43pm | 09/07/09

      I’m a true blue aussie and when I travel overseas and happen to see a picture of Uluru or see it on TV it makes my heart miss a beat, and a feeling of HOME. Australia is also my Home and has been for generations and the Rock is to be shared by all of us Aussie’s (Aboriginal and non Aboriginal) to be proud and feel apart of.

    • Helen says:

      12:49pm | 09/07/09

      This is an interesting snapshot of “adult” Australians in the 2000s. “If I can’t do everything I want, I’m gunna fall to the ground, thrash my legs and arms, and yell and scream and scream and scream until I get it!”

      Just remove the chain!

    • TFH says:

      12:53pm | 09/07/09

      I climbed the rock, and I got see angles and views that those stuck at the base never enjoyed. For me, sitting at the top, well away from the crowds, was the most moving and spiritual experience this atheist has ever had. And it was beautiful. Absolutely stunning - the views, and the rock itself.

      I don’t know that we wanted to conquer the rock, it was more a case of completely embracing it. There was no disrespect. The disrespect I saw was at the base of the rock, not on top.

    • Erin says:

      12:53pm | 09/07/09

      Thanks Tory for the opinion piece. It sums up how I feel about Uluru and tourism, and the governments handling of the story. I don’t really understand why people are finding themselves as being prevented from doing something they feel they have a right to do, when they do not realise that they are prevented from doing things every day.

      And the comment about feeling some kind ‘pleasing’ feeling comes from knowing people have died while climbing it? Its what I feel sometimes as well, as everyone has done at some point. That’s what the Darwin Awards are for.

    • Heath Dillon says:

      12:58pm | 09/07/09

      I wonder if the people who feel so indignant about the wishes of aborignial people would have the same reaction to, say, the development of Anzac Cove in Gallipoli.

    • CB says:

      12:59pm | 09/07/09

      Wow! Ignorance, about Indigenous Australian culture, is bliss with some people.

      Those who have climbed Uluru and say that they will again, have displayed no understanding of the culture or any care or consideration of the spiritual and ancestral connections to the land that we are born into.

      Uluru is apart of the Dreamtime, apart of stories handed down to the now traditional owners of the land where Uluru is situated. The only way to explain it is that it is like a Holy Relic because it is a connection to the ancestors of that land.

      Nobody would dream of desecrating the spiritual and religious sites of the Kaaba in Mecca, Our Lady of Lourdes or Westminister Abbey. Respect should be shown for a spiritual site even if you’re not spiritually connected to it.

    • Allan L says:

      01:00pm | 09/07/09

      Mt Everest has spiritual significance for the Nepalese (Sargarmatha , goddess of the Sky) and Tibetans (Chomolungma, mother goddess of the universe).
      Neither have suggested that you should not climb Mt Everest.
      Those two cultures have come to terms with the strange westerners who want to climb everything.
      I too climbed Ayres Rock in the 70’s with the only warning being that it was dangerous and it was at your own risk.
      Ayres Rock/ Uluru is a geological feature many millions of years old that predated any human occupation of the Australian Continent and will probably survive the demise of humans on this continent.
      We as a society will tie it self into knots if every time one section of soceity claims superior rights because of a spiritual connection to a geological formation.
      Time to move on into the future and not get hung up on a mythical past.
      Interesting to study but not to dominate a 21st centuary life.
      As an atheist I view all the current religious orders in much the same light.

    • Miles says:

      01:03pm | 09/07/09

      I bet if the ‘traditional owners’ could charge people for climbing it then they would have no problem.  I mean look at all the mining operations that are currently being undertaken in ‘sacred sites’.

    • Nath says:

      01:04pm | 09/07/09

      Giving one group of Aussies the rights to tell other Aussies what we can and cannot do with one of the national icons that make up our COMMONwealth seems counter to our principles. The rock was not made for worship so the church/mosque arguement falls flat. It is a rock, and it is a rock that we ALL own. The only thing that should be restricted is those actvities that damage the rock, thus preventing others from enjoying it.

    • PETER says:

      01:06pm | 09/07/09

      I went out to the Rock about 18 months ago, very interesting place.  Early in the morning there was a tour of the rock given by one of the aboriginal NP guides.  I got talking to him about climbing the rock and he told me that they (the aboriginal’s) have no problem with people climbing the rock.  He went on to tell me the following:
      He is part of a team that absails off the rock every fortnight to practice rescue skills and there are 4 heli pads up top to get people off the rock in case of emergency.  When the goverment handed the rock over to the aboriginal’s part of the contract was that the climb must remain open.  The part of the rock that you climb is not sarcet at all to the aboriginal’s.  Now I walked around the rock because I am to fat to climb it smile), but I intend to go back one day and climb it.  I did not get any feeling at all while watching people climb the rock the aboriginal’s were annoyed, and there were quite a few NP aboriginals standing around making sure everyone was safe.

    • iansand says:

      01:09pm | 09/07/09

      Allan L (01-00pm)  But no one climbs Machupuchare.

    • Neil says:

      01:09pm | 09/07/09

      Call me a gauche, camera happy, fat, ignorant tourist, but I think that it is arrogant nonsense to ban the climb. The rock has been climbed for many years by many Australians who all have their own link with it in ways that they choose. We don’t need self appointed moral compasses and minority groups telling us how we should feel about this. My family would certainly not visit the rock if this ban is implemented.

    • Zedimus says:

      01:10pm | 09/07/09

      Hi Tim,

      Ok, so if your house were Heritage Listed, you wouldn’t mind strangers walking through it? Somehow I don’t think so.

      Anyways back on topic, for the record I actually would not like to see a ban on walking on the rock in the same way as there should be no ban on Smoking or any other “nanny state” restrictions.

      As I stated it is a mater of respect and should people choose to walk on the rock rather than learn about it and have a much deeper experience then that is thier choice.

    • Dean says:

      01:12pm | 09/07/09

      Wow, all this article exposed was that the stupid ignorant, redneck Australian is still alive and well. This is something that aborigines have held sacred for thousands of years, whether they built it or not is irrelevant. Why not put away your ‘checklist’ and start actually learning about the culture and why it is so sacred to Aborigines instead of whinging about how unjust it all is because you’re not going to be able get your money’s worth, which in itself is extremely materialistic and selfish. Maybe if people actually took some time to understand and respect other cultures, society in general wouldn’t be so self righteous, dumb and greedy.

    • watty says:

      01:13pm | 09/07/09

      “Ignorance of Aboriginal culture is bliss” says CB.

      I presume taking a percentage of the “gate money” to enter the Uluru area was an old Aboriginal Tradition dating back 60,000 years.

      The main push to close off areas of Parks Australia run National Parks in the Northern Territory has come from the “whities” working for Parks not the Aboriginal Land owners.

      Garrett is Minister for Parks Australia and was more than sympathetic to them whilst President of the ACF so I presume nothing has changed his opinion or bias since then

    • NHJ says:

      01:15pm | 09/07/09

      If you start with Ayres Rock, then the so called traditional land owers (be alright if they practiced their traditional ways on them) of other places of significance will do the same, therefore holding the tourist industry to ransom. I can guarantee that they will then seek monitory compensation to reopen these places back up to the tourists.

    • Steve says:

      01:37pm | 09/07/09

      I had to have a chuckle at the spiritual bit. I consider my self pretty local or indigenous Im 5th generation aussie and was born here my kids were born here and I will probably die here.  I feel a spiritual connection to the land my ancestors lived off the land and the land provided for them, it my life blood, its in my veins.  Ok you can stop laughing now. But why does time and spiritaulity have anything to do with whom owes what? They didnt build it, they dont own it? God or the big bang created it. Why cant we share it? Im happy to let people climb over the rock and you can call it what you like, just be safe and look after it, you know dont scratch your name in it and pick up your rubbish.

    • Stuart says:

      01:40pm | 09/07/09

      What a load of crap!! What’s next - no indigenous persons allows in white man’s churches??

    • bernie says:

      01:41pm | 09/07/09

      I visited Uluru 2 years ago with my work, and had the opputunity to go into the towns of the aboriginies located at the base of the rock, which are not normally open to the public. I was disgusted with the way the Aboriginals were living and treating each other. There should be more concern on how these people live, getting them of the booze, preventing domestic violence & child molestations, rather then concerns of banning climbing the rock. If you close the rock to tourists then this will drive away the tourist dollar which is vitally needed in this area to improve the quality of life for these people.

    • Tim says:

      01:44pm | 09/07/09

      Once again Zedimus, stupid comparison.
      First of all my house is a building, not a natural feature so completely different things.
      Secondly, IF my house was a heritage listed National Icon, i would realise that i would probably have to put up with people wanting to visit it.
      Your comparisons are crazy.
      Just because you think you had a deeper experience by not climbing the rock does not mean everyone will.
      All Australians should be able to visit and climb Ayers rock.
      It was here before the Aborigines and the Europeans and will be here after they are gone.

    • PC Gone Mad... says:

      01:45pm | 09/07/09

      Apparently the French are having a similar debate to ban foreigners climbing “their tower”. The fashion sense of the tourists offend their Parisian cultural heritage. Given the “traditional owners” climb it, then why shouldn’t others? We are not disrespecting the Rock - we climb it to be inspired by it - so the opposite, we are honoring the Rock. What real harm done? There are bigger problems in the world - especially for “the traditional owners” - they need to pay attention to what is really going on around them than stopping visitors climbing “their” rock.

    • bob says:

      01:46pm | 09/07/09

      Thank GOODNESS the Aboriginal does NOT have a spiritual attachment to the sky - or the ocean!

      Imagine the same exclusionary logic applying to that “sacred” or spiritual” scenario?!?!

      No planes.  No fishing. No boating

      Without a fee of course

    • SB says:

      01:47pm | 09/07/09

      We’re the Bloody Hell are You - We Dont Bloody Care - We’re Bloody Closed - So Piss Bloody Off!

      We are all traditional owners of Ayers Rock.  Who seriously believes the ‘traditional owner’ giggle? Must be the same gang who gave away Byron Bay Shire foreshore to ‘traditional owners’. The traditional owners of Australia are all Australians: black, white and brindle.

      Let us close the faerie peguins at Phillip Island, the Coonawarra wineries, the Great Barrier Reef, Cradle Mtn, and put all WA wildflowers off limit. By crikey, the MCG and Habour Bridge as well. Bugger me, close the airports to international tourists and limit domestic travel to the nearest bottleshop.

    • John Stevens says:

      01:50pm | 09/07/09

      Tory “
      I quote you “I find it secretly pleasing that quite a few of them have died over the years while trying to scale Uluru.
      What a sick person you are !!

    • Simon says:

      02:14pm | 09/07/09

      I’m glad those tourists interrupted your pious reveries, Tory.

      I’d be quite happy to see all places of worship turned into tourist attractions of historic interest only, relics from our superstitious pre-enlightenment past.

    • Warren Tegg says:

      02:17pm | 09/07/09

      The best example so far, the most clear, is ANZAC Cove, Kokoda Track is another.

      It wasn’t built, it isn’t created and it isn’t even in our country, but we feel a strong spiritual connection with it as Australians.

      We believe so strongly that it is a part of our culture that other peoples behaviour on or near it should be regulated, despite the fact that it is a natural phenomenon half the world away.

      Australians all know what it is to have an attachment to the land, its just the piece of land we revere is in Turkey not the NT.

      Think of Uluru as the Indigenous peoples Gallipoli and I hope it gives you some insight into why they care so much about it.

      Don’t get sidetracked in “but people died there” arguments, the reason that you revere a place is immaterial, the fact that you feel a right to control others behaviour in relation to the place is the key.

    • melanie says:

      02:18pm | 09/07/09

      Your a bunch of idiotic hypocritic morons, you won’t stop till you have shut Australia down with your loony tune bulldust. None of which can be proven who needs enemies when we have gestapo like you lot. Ban the radicals I say.

    • Simon says:

      02:24pm | 09/07/09

      By the way, Tory, who’s claiming that “climbing Uluru is the best way to appreciate the spiritual, historical and physical enormity of it”? You’re setting up a strawman with that line.

      For what it’s worth though,  I climbed the rock *and* walked around the base, so I guess I got a more complete impression of its size than you did from your early morning jaunt. Wandering around on top of the rock, exploring those crevices and gullies, is like being stranded on an alien landscape. And then you stand on a higher point and see the desert stretching out the sky all around, and you’re struck speechless by the sheer enormity of it all.

      As for the spiritual enormity? I’ll leave that to the superstitious and the posers.

    • Harry Tarasinski says:

      02:26pm | 09/07/09

      Having visited Uluru I have a deeper understanding of the significance of the place as a sacred area for indigenous people and I would never commit the sacrilege of climbing the rock so I fully support a ban on this activity.  How would christians like it if they saw a busload of aborigines abseiling down the walls of St Paul’s cathedral?

    • Adrian says:

      02:29pm | 09/07/09

      Well, to be fair, the traditional owners aren’t trying to “control” anyone as so many people here are are saying. This proposal is coming from the Federal Govt. The traditional owners ask that you don’t climb the Rock, but they don’t stop you if you do. Doesn’t sound like controlling behaviour to me.

    • Phil says:

      02:31pm | 09/07/09

      Spiritual enormity? It’s just a big rock you pillock!

    • AS says:

      02:33pm | 09/07/09

      This is what happens when political correctness takes hold.  Minority cultures are put on a ridiculous and unwarranted pedestal.  So high a pedestal that some people apparently wish death on those who dare not treat all minority cultures with the same ‘respect’ as they do.

      Not that this sort of fanaticism is applied universally.  Quite the opposite.  For instance, the same people who would have a ban placed on climbing Ayers Rock also support the Catholic priest in Brisbane who is probably going to be ex-communicated.  Why?  Because it isn’t about respect for religion.  It’s about pushing a paternalistic view that these people have that they know best how to protect minority interests.

      I hope this ban goes ahead.  It will just confirm everything I think about how out of touch the ALP really is.

    • Richard Sharpe says:

      02:43pm | 09/07/09

      “It’s like equating the Sistine Chapel to Disneyland, or Istanbul’s Blue Mosque to the London Eye.”

      I don’t know about Istanbul, but I have climbed to the top of the Blue Mosque in Cairo - for a fee. They seemed happy enough to take my money and let an infidel climb to the top of their sacred monument.  It gave me a great view of the city’s skyline, much like the London Eye I would imagine.

    • Jay says:

      02:55pm | 09/07/09

      Presumably if Tim thinks that just because a people didn’t ‘build’ a place then they can’t have legitimate spiritual ties to it, he doesn’t think the Jewish people have any right to feel as if they have a spiritual bond to the land upon which the nation of Isreal exists.
      What a simpleton.

    • Lobes says:

      02:58pm | 09/07/09

      I secretly took a photo of the Sistine chapels ceiling and had no qualms paying lip service to all the other sects when I visited their mosques/temples/cathedrals. If I could have climbed the minarets I would have.

      Ultimately all religion is poppycock and you cant expect a secular country like Australia to take these clowns and their ‘spiritual connections’ seriously, whether it be a bunch of illiterate nomads dancing round a campfire or a big Roman poof in a white dress and funny hat.

      As such I would totally climb it.

    • B says:

      03:05pm | 09/07/09

      OMG - a Holey Place for Aboriginals - VERY VERY few Aboriginals make this “claim” - the vast majority out at Mutitjulu are interested in the cash, that’s it.  The more “sacred”...the more out of reach it is..the more the money grubbers can charge - and you can bet your wallet, no matter how “holey” the claim..you can do it for a price…Probably on a “special spiritual guided walk”....it is assured by all the parasites living off the back of our native people and making a dollar out of it.  I lived and worked out there for 5 years - 95% couldn’t care less - the other 5% want the money

    • Steve says:

      03:09pm | 09/07/09

      Harry Tarasinski

      They never climbed the rock because they never put a chain on. Bet they climb it now.  What they will probably do it build a multi storey stage next to the rock them charge people to climb the stage/ scaffold.  or even better create a fake rock them let people climb it.  I can see it now, it just like the real rock but less spiritual.  Just share it. Yes I know we stole land, kids etc etc not good in fact very sad, but it time to build a bridge, I didnt steal your land, I didnt steal your kids, I actually want to share the land, just like other tribes shared land previously. Yes I have a lighter skin colour, but I consider myself aboriginal.

    • Onski says:

      03:28pm | 09/07/09

      Our nation is fat, we are the fattest nation on the planet.  Why are we so fat?  Cause we get pansies sitting around looking at a rock, drinking beer talking about culture instead of getting your boots on and climbing the thing.  We look at everything in this world from ground level,  why do you want to look at Uluru from the ground.  Most people in the world if they see something high they will wonder what its like up there.  Its in our blood as humans to want to see the top of the world.  From climbing to the top of the monkey bars at school, to looking at the earth from space.  The higher we get the more accoplishment we feel.  If you don’t want to climb something just admit it, youre one of those fat Australians that wouldn’t make it up anyway.  Stop ruining the acomplishment for the rest of us.  Don’t pretend that youre not climbing to respect the aborignies, your just too lazy.

      If the governemnt wants us to just look at it from the bottom then maybe you could put a travelator down there so the fat nation your creating can get around with ease.  Don’t forget to put the fast food stands every 100 meters or so.  We sure would work up an appetite with all that exercise.

      Oh and by the way, St Peters Bacisllica

      Eifell Tour, you can climb, St Peters Basilica in the Vatican (one of the holiest places in the world) you can climb, Everest you can climb, harbour bridge you can climb, Why no climb our rock!!

    • Mal says:

      03:30pm | 09/07/09

      We people up here on the Cape York Peninsula get so fed up with the whole “indigenous culture” claptrap, which is pushed by city dwellers and pollies, who only know the PC drivel that is fed to them and which they want to believe. You people have no idea, no idea at all about the truth whilst you live down there in your perfect little white office buildings and apartment blocks.

    • PM says:

      04:02pm | 09/07/09

      Driving across the Nullarbor some years ago we turned off to visit and walk along the walkway that had been built as a whale watching area.  We arrived to find a padlocked boomgate with the notice saying something along the lines it was aboriginal land and they said the hours when it would be opened - and also what the price was.  We had to make the long drive back to the highway without having the experience. Really teed off I can assure you.

      We are 5th generation Australians yet we are made to feel that we have no land to call ‘our land’ it’s only aboriginal land - how long do we have to be without a country we can call truly ‘our country’ and which we can travel throughout unhindered?  When I look at some of the people who claim to ‘belong’ whereas I don’t - I sometimes see very pale skin, blue eyes, fair hair and no sense that these people are more worthy than me to visit iconic Australian places, what about their obvious large %age of white European heritage which is always conveniently forgotten and ignored.  The list goes on Kakadu/Uluru/ Gt. Australian Bight/ stop and read the signs along the outback roads and you’ll find a lot of them say you are not permitted to enter the country off the main road - it’s not yours brother.

      I might add we’ve climbed Uluru and it is an amazing experience. 

      Why can’t we all live and love this land without greed and prejudice.  And on this matter why is racism only ever committed by whites?  Racism is only permitted one way it seems.

    • R says:

      04:07pm | 09/07/09

      It’s not just a rock!  It’s a sacred place and people should respect it!  About time Australians finally acknowledge and respect Indigenous people and culture.  Ever since I was little and found out that it was a sacred place, I always knew that I would never climb Uluru.

    • Matthew says:

      04:08pm | 09/07/09

      Funny thing is that every year the National Parks Service and the owners of the Resort get bits of the Rock mailed back to them from people who have “souveniered” them.  Maybe people understand the spiritual side of the debate more than they’re letting on.

      As for those “experts” out there who reckon tourism will die if the climb is closed, here’s the irrefutable FACT: more people visit the Rock every year and less of them CHOOSE to climb.  Only 39% of Australians who visit INTEND to climb (regardless of whether they actually do or not).  Looks like the silent majority have voted, literally, with the placement of their feet.

    • Lucy says:

      04:08pm | 09/07/09

      I went to Ayers Rock last year and was given a guided tour around the Rock by a local Aboriginal fellow. He told our group that there was no problem with people climbing the Rock. He said it is “their” sacred place, but the sensible people recognised it wasn’t “our” sacred place.

      There are certain areas around Ayers Rock that were considered more sacred than others, particularly where the men teach the boys about the ‘facts of life’. In fact, I understand there are times they actually close that to allow for ancient ceremonies to take place.

      What would be better would be for the Minister to work with the local people to provide an insight into the Aboriginal culture - because that way, we will all have a better understanding of why certain places are considered sacred.

      Also - notice I have kept calling it Ayers Rock - again, the Aboriginal people I spoke to our there told me that it is fine for it be called that by non-Aboriginal people, because that’s what we called it. Uluru is the aboriginal name.

      As it was explained to me, a billabong is also a waterhole.

      In Australia, we call Germany, Germany. It’s actually Deutschland. The Norwegians call it Tyskland. Norway is actually called Norge etc etc etc.

      Perhaps if we actually sought to get a deeper understanding of the aboriginal culture there would be less of an “us and them” mentality - from both sides. If I want someone to understand me, I would welcome them into my home - not expect understanding without any access.

    • Tim says:

      05:09pm | 09/07/09

      Um Jay,
      where did i say that the Aborigines didnt have a spiritual connection to Ayers Rock. Oh thats right i didn’t.
      I said that they cannot dictate terms to other Australians because it is a natural feature.
      Jay not being able to read, what a simpleton.

    • Sean says:

      05:35pm | 09/07/09

      Interesting comment by Allen L at 1pm regarding Mt Everest being climbed despite its spiritual significance. But there is one major peak in Nepal that hasn’t been climbed - Machhapuchare. It’s sacred. The only time someone came closw was in 1957 when a Brit party got to within 50m of the top. Then their Sherpas said “OK that’s close enough. Now let’s go down” And they had to. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall there!

      Remove the chain. Respect the beliefs of the traditional owners. I’m an atheist but cannot support the defilement of people’s significant beiefs and sites. It’s tantamount to wearing a pentacle to St Peter’s or dropping a pig’s head in a mosque.

    • Mark says:

      05:47pm | 09/07/09

      So many comments to agree with. My family have been here for only 140 years but I still have always had an affinity with Ayers Rock and have all my life felt the desire to stand at it’s peak and will stand against those who wish to attack my spirituality.

    • TonyG says:

      05:51pm | 09/07/09

      Lucy 4:08pm, I couldn’t have said it better myself. 

      I too had a similar experience with the locals and they were nothing but understanding and respectful of my decision and full of wise advice about how to climb it safely and appreciate it in all its glory.

      Tory, you missed out on something far more magical than the walk at the base by not scaling its peak.  I have done the walk too.  The view and exhiliration are something that I will not, actually can not, forget.  It did bring tears and euphoria, still does to this day.  And that was made even more special by the conversations that followed in the days after I climb it with the local land owners. 

      What Garrett should do is show leadership by talking the land owners and not simply continue this guilt trip he appears to choke on.

      BTW, pretty nasty sentiment at being pleased someone’s loved ones and friends unfortunately died whilst climbing OUR national icon.

    • Eric says:

      06:27pm | 09/07/09

      I have a spiritual connection to this planet, called “Earth”.

      I respectfully request that all you infidels cease walking on it.

    • Vanessa says:

      06:36am | 10/07/09

      It is just a bloody rock.  People cannot “own” a natural feature.  The Aborigines did not build it.  Ayers Rock was there waaayyy before the Aborigines arrived in Australia.  Should we ban climbing Mt Everest and Mt Kosciuszko?  I’ve climbed it, took photos and bought the t-shirt.

    • david says:

      08:02am | 10/07/09

      This quasi religious claptrap about a ‘’ rock ‘’ is beyond belief . The rock is no more of an icon than the slums of any city . It is a concept of the wily tourist industry which borrows freely from the Aboriginal dream time which is probably more believable than our religious fairy tales !
      The whole question is our reaction to the natural wonders of creation . There are some misguided folk who , due to some inherent brain disorder , who delve into mysticism and the like who will see a pork chop as a thing of hidden power .

    • RosscO, FNQ says:

      08:25am | 10/07/09

      Come on, get real.  This rock is part of Australia and access should be available to every Australian to climb and do as they will.  It seems to me that traditional owners only become interested in these sorts of ventures when the hard developmental work has been done and they are successful money making concerns.  Certainly they have done little or nothing in the making of such ventures.  As for environmentalists, what a bunch of dead set, self-serving handout seeking losers.

    • JH says:

      10:39am | 10/07/09

      I have climbed Ayers Rock, and the deadly quiet at the top and the views of the surrounding country side is breath taking and humbling - quite an experience. Walking the 9.4kms around it was also enjoyable and another way to experience the vastness of Uluru, but completely different.

      It is a sacred site to the Aboriginals though, and for some people to argue it is not the same as the Sistine Chapel etc, is pretty silly. Why should it matter if it is man-made or not?

      Dean the Aborigines did not stake claim to Australia, they existed with the land and as a part of the land.

    • Steve says:

      10:59am | 10/07/09

      I have a spiritual connection to walk on the rock, dont stop me from practicing my religion….

    • Brad says:

      11:30am | 10/07/09

      This represents political correctness gone too far.  After all, animist beliefs could apply to a large proportion of the entire country.  Why should one small group’s beliefs (which we know are tailored by the wily to get the most out of the naive townies) prevail over others??  I am a Pagan.  Does that mean my neighbors should be forced to extinguish their house and garden lighting on a Friday night to allow me to practice my religion?  That would be ridiculous.  We need to have mutual respect.  BTW, I wouldn’t climb the rock out of respect, but believe that others who come to a different decision should be allowed to.  Why is the aboriginal belief system regarded as inherently more valid than any other??

    • Paul Bell says:

      12:13pm | 10/07/09

      100% agree with Vanessa, all this fuss over a bloody big rock in the middle of the desert.  What next, no traffic on sydney harbour bridge?
      How stupid are things going to get.
      IT’S JUST A BLOODY BIG ROCK!

    • B says:

      01:09pm | 10/07/09

      This is just a Rock, Natural and owned by no race in particular.  It was there before the Aboriginals and will be there after all else is gone.  It is nothing sacred, it is usefull only for Tourism and therefore money.  One must also remember that it is only the Second biggest rock in Australia, if climbing is prohibited then the tourist will travell to the biggest and there is no charge for climbing it.

    • Peter says:

      04:58pm | 10/07/09

      I’m a lifelong Sydneysider.  I worship at the Harbour Bridge every year on New Year’s Eve. The bridge is culturally sacred to me. I hereby decree that out of sensitivity to my feelings no one shall climb the bridge.

      Aborigines don’t own the rock anymore than I own the Harbour Bridge.
      If you want to climb it , climb it.

    • Pete McLean says:

      05:00pm | 10/07/09

      Show me a fully traditional Indigenous person from that tribe, & you will see someone who believes he belongs to the land, not own it. It’s like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog they live on. What IS an Australian Mr Garrett. Am I one?

    • Ian Macdonald says:

      05:16pm | 10/07/09

      The rock is simply part of the natural landscape of Australia, which has been here for millions of years.  The Aboriginal people have been here for about 50,000 years, and at the time of white settlement they apparently had a religoius belief that it is best not to climb it.  I really cannot accept that this then means that nobody else can ever again climb.  What right do they have to say that!  Australia is supposed to be a free, secular country where religion is kept out of daily life.  I don’t share these beliefs so why should they apply to me. 

      Just imagine for a moment if we were told that swimming or boating on Sydney harbour was “disrespectful to the anscenstors” (not too hard to imagine really)  Would we really respect this request and stop all use of Sydney harbour?  Of course not.  But it would be exactly the same as this…

    • Brasil says:

      08:59pm | 10/07/09

      Hi, my people built Stonehenge. Could all black people please stay away from it because it is a temple and while my people back then didn’t know your people I’m sure if they did they wouldn’t let you visit it. Also you Angles and Saxons can nick off too. And you Celts. Definitely you Celts. We don’t like you.  K thx bye.

    • Elliot says:

      12:58am | 11/07/09

      There are a lot of comments here from people boasting about their disrespect of sigificant places. I would put to you that the only reason you visit these places is because of their significance, therefore your calculated disrespect is an oxymoron. Emphasis on the third and fourth syllables.

    • Eddie says:

      07:31am | 11/07/09

      The large number of comments dismissing the Aboriginal perspective because their way of life doesn’t fit European perspectives show how far apart the races are.  Adjustments to create a multi-cultural society need to be both ways, not just getting Aboriginals to see it your way.  Australians should stop crowing about their multi-cultural society.  The rest of the world sees it for what it is.  Bigotry rules - what a shame!

    • alan says:

      09:41am | 11/07/09

      All men are created equal, just that some are created more equal than others.  Are aborigines Australian citizens with the same rights as the rest us?  I think I’ll claim Sydney Harbour Bridge is a sacred site, and prohibit people from climbing it!

    • LachlanP says:

      02:38pm | 11/07/09

      My ancestors are from Northern Scotland. The area where my ancestors came from is now occupied by all sorts of people from around the world. I have to accept that that it is no longer my right to go back there in insist they give it back to me and my family and nor should they. I can’t tell them where my ancestors were buried over 200 years ago is my spiritual place and it belongs to me and my family.

    • Frank says:

      10:32pm | 11/07/09

      Banning climbing the rock for any other reason but safety or causing damage is nonsense. I don’t see why I should have to respect people who beleive in nonsense. Whether people believe in pixies at the bottom of the garden, spirits of rocks or the glade, “spiritual place” or all Western or Eastern religion. It is all man made nonsense. Spirtualism is the real curse of the human race.

    • Tobias says:

      08:21pm | 12/07/09

      “and resist the urge to take flash photographs of the Mona Lisa.” When did the Mona Lisa get moved to a church? Secondly, when did the Mona Lisa not become the possession of somebody (or a group of people)? Aboriginal people may claim that Ayers Rock belongs to them, for some twisted reason, and yet the fact of the matter is that, just like the rest of the country, it no longer belongs to them.

      Secondly, flash photography may cause damage to the Mona Lisa, which would prevent future generations from seeing it. Last I checked, the erosion caused by walking over a 350m high rock wasn’t all that significant. It’ll still remain for future generations. It’s not going to move anywhere quickly.

      Finally, why does spirituality matter? If I went to the Sistine Chapel, yes, I’d be respectful of it. Why? Because it’s historical, and tells at least something of our past. Also, it actually /belongs to somebody (or a group of people)/ (refer to point one), and consequentially I’d feel sorry for them if I accidentally knocked a wall down. Might I take the time here to repeat, Ayers Rock is a feature of nature, and just as with Niagara Falls, nobody owns it. Also, I hardly think anybody’s going to be able to cause much damage to the thing without several tonnes of explosives and a lot of time on their hands.

      Thus, I can see no reason as to why not to climb it. Additionally, I think even a national referendum would agree with me that this political correctness is idiotic.

    • Wyn says:

      02:02pm | 21/07/09

      Should I abstain from drinking alcohol out of respect for Islam? Should I stop eating shellfish out of respect for Judaism? Should I abstain from sex out of respect for Catholics? Should I stop eating beef out of respect for Hinduism? Should we disallow women from playing the didgeridoo out of respect for aboriginal custom? That last one clashes with my own strong belief in equality for women. Mt. Warning, near Byron Bay, is also ‘forbidden’ for women to climb. Should we respect the rules of another culture that clash so much with our own?

      I cannot blindly respect and observe the customs of the aboriginal tribes of Australia. I respect Aboriginal Australians as the original inhabitants of the land and as great survivors, artists and storytellers, but some traditional Iaws and customs, like payback, teenage circumcision and dugong hunting I find downright barbaric.

      If we respect and observe one custom, surely we must respect them all. I would be respectful if visiting a mosque, church etc, but these are purpose-built man-made structures, not a natural landform. In my cultural tradition (anglo-australian) discovery, adventure and marvelling in the natural world (including “climbing stuff”) is an important tradition too. That is why I would climb.

    • jonno says:

      03:52pm | 21/07/09

      Wow we really have let PC go to far. I wonder if all the people wanting to ban climbing it have either climber it already or a sitting in easy good money jobs.

      Ban it ? Why? Cultural sensitivity be damned. Tell that to my neighbour who lost his shop in this depression.

      I can climb and walk all over the Taj Mahal, Angkor Watt and pretty much anything else. What the hell is wrong with these people wanting to ban it.

      Is there any freedom left for us to be taken away in this country?

    • Ryan says:

      06:04am | 22/07/09

      You can’t compare Ayers Rock to the Sistine Chapel or Notre Dame or the Blue Mosque as they are purpose built structures.  Ayers Rock or Uluru or whatever you choose to call it is just a geological feature that has had significance attached to it - not made for that significance.  Its not damaging to the rock to climb over it and to have a wander as people have done for millenia.  Besides, the locals who are making a fuss about respect for it don’t seem to have any respect for themselves as a whole so its a bit of a moot point isn’t it?

    • Georgia says:

      08:53pm | 28/07/09

      I am doing a speech at school about this topic and i was wondering does anyone have any good reasons why you shouldn’t climb it?

    • Brandi says:

      01:11pm | 15/08/09

      i am 12 and i am an aboriginal girl, Ryan it is hard to maintain our culture because goverment policys in the past were designed to strip us of our self respect. You are the ignorant one here, if i had a party in your cemetery that would be dis-respectful and its the same here!! We shouldn’t climb it because it is a sacred place and it is a part of our culture!

    • Faye says:

      08:49pm | 15/08/09

      Good on you Tors.

      Some writers have referred to climbing the rock as a pilgrimage? A pilgrimage implies belief in the ‘holy’ significant of Uluru or at best acknowledgement that Uluru is a ‘special place’ to the Aboriginal people. So Bob, be a good pilgrim and observe the wishes of the culture whose ‘holy’ place you are visiting.
      It is a shame that people are so caught up in self gratification they are unaware or ignorant to the damage they cause to the environment and the Aboriginal culture. Those of you who insist it is your god given write to climb the Uluru should instead holiday on the Gold Coast which is already overrun with ignorant tourists and there is little you can destroy.

    • davido says:

      02:40am | 16/08/09

      Brandi are people buried on top of the rock?

    • Belinda says:

      11:39am | 02/03/11

      Unbelievable! The arrogance and ignorance shown in these comments is down- right embaressing! People who say they should be able to do whatever they want with Uluru are clearly uneducated in Aboriginal culture. The whole notion that something has to be man-made to be spiritual is so Western it makes me feel sick. And those who find this article a ‘waste of words’ show just how self-involved they are, this is a huge issue and I cant believe people would suggest it is not even worthy to write about. Disgusting.

 

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