Three moments in my life have prompted me to question humanity at its very core.

He's the one in the blue shirt… Picture: Getty

The first was when Jerry Seinfeld observed: “People, they’re the worst.” I thought about this for a moment, remembered I’d once carried my cat by its tail, and decided he was right. The second was when I woke up from a big night at a friend’s party, and discovered my mate’s pillow had been callously stolen. Who steals a pillow? Ugh, people. Right?

The third was when I learned #WhoisPaulMcCartney? was trending on Twitter during the Grammys.

Wait. WHAT? Who is Paul McCartney? R U 4 reelz? This kind of ignorance is maddening and calls for a serious case of #headdesk.

It’s far more unforgiveable than, say, the cabbie who told me moving to Sydney was a mistake, or the ex-colleague who said Geelong is a better place than Melbourne because “it’s more Australian… you know what I mean?” Yes, I know what you mean, and you smell. Take a shower.

But I digress. The point is this. People, in 2012, don’t know who Paul McCartney is. The same people who scream themselves hoarse for Gaga, crush on Bieber’s girlish boy-fro and get their glow-sticks in a twist for Nicky Minaj.

Not that the Grammys was without its fair share of Twitter ignorance, mind.

Karl Stefanovic was confused when Bon Iver took out Best New Artist, in part because Australia’s larrikin de jour thought he looked like Eddie Vedder. As Karl concluded: He doesn’t. And, at the risk of inciting blind hatred among Pearl Jam fans still desperately clinging to the legacy of a poor man’s Nirvana, that’s an insult to Justin Vernon.

Did I get off-track again? Soz. As Karl made the distinction between folk and hard rock, the rest of us can make this distinction: People who know who Sir Paul McCartney is, and hence have a capacity to appreciate the significance of The Beatles, are cool. People who do not, are dead to me.

The Beatles didn’t just sing about a Revolution, they were the revolution, man. Without meandering into the Lennon v McCartney debate (for those playing at home, I’m totally Team Paul), the Abbey Road foursome were a forced to be reckoned with.

If you’re reading this, and you seriously don’t know who The Beatles are, then jump on Wikipedia and school yourself. Go on. Right now. I’ll wait. Like them, don’t like them? Doesn’t matter. Simply knowing who they are exempts you from that very special class of cultural douchebag. And not having to ask “WOTZ A BEATLEZ?” reveals your parents did an adequate job of raising you.

I may never get to see P-Mac in the flesh (I can say that, we’re bros), but I do have the chance to see one his greatest contemporaries - Roger Waters - when he rocks The Wall in Sydney tonight. And no amount of Twignorance is going to ruin that for me.

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    • ibast says:

      01:03pm | 15/02/12

      “unspeakable significance of The Beatles”

      You’re right, it is unspeakable.

      And I AM old enough to know who they were.

    • S says:

      01:19pm | 15/02/12

      Then you’re old enough to know you’re an absolute tosser of the highest order.

    • Belinda B says:

      03:31pm | 15/02/12

      Paul is not just the Beatles.. I have the pleasure of knowing him.. an Aussie girl made good.. and the thing that suprised me (even having grown up with Beatles music) was how many songs he has in his solo career…  If you really have a listen to all his music, he is truly a genius… He plays live shows for 3 hrs straight without a break and doesn’t miss a beat..  not like the artists today…  I am also not of my parents age (who are major fans) but someone who has truly had the pleasure of listening to all of his albums and being able to work with someone who is truly forward thinking and constantly creating.. He puts all of us 20-30 somethings to shame..

    • Aza of Sydney says:

      03:50pm | 15/02/12

      When did ‘making it good’ mean knowing Paul McCartney?  Outside of the aussie curlture, which really doesn’t give a hoot whose popular, I would have assumed ‘making it good’ had a whole lot of more important priorities.

    • djrtmum says:

      04:54pm | 15/02/12

      What!!!... I am not of the era of the beatles, but love the music just the same.  There is nothing better than, listening to the beatles through a set of headphones and hearing the Intricacy on the music.

    • Rocky Raccoon says:

      07:39pm | 15/02/12

      They are just kids. Very few people will reach the age of 30 and not know you the Beatles are. A recent poll of music fans voting for the best album ever had six McCartney albums in the top 100 (5 classics from the Beatles and the solo album Ram). Most voters were in their late 20s and 30s. Same with JJJ hottest 100 of all time last year, three Beatles songs in the top 100.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      07:59pm | 15/02/12

      The Beatles, just another pop group with good publicity, had a few good songs & a lot of absolute Crap! ! ! Definitelt not rock & roll. As for Chris Paine, just some try-hard kid

    • Niko says:

      06:50am | 16/02/12

      Stones man myself, but I get yr point.
      However, the bigger shame is thast Brian Jones has totally been forgotten….

    • Seth Brundle says:

      01:23pm | 16/02/12

      Yellow Submarine.  Greatest Beatles song EVER!!!

    • SM says:

      01:05pm | 15/02/12

      Music nowadays is largely a joke, but The Beatles are the most overrated band in history

    • J says:

      01:44pm | 15/02/12

      Overrated how? Make a ridiculous statement like that and be prepared to back it up.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      01:48pm | 15/02/12

      You may not like them, but that’s just a ridiculous assertion.

    • Johnny Cash is a friend of mine says:

      01:57pm | 15/02/12

      You, my friend, are a douche.

    • Nollmeister says:

      02:44pm | 15/02/12

      You must be a kid. Betcha don’t like the Stones either

    • Huonian says:

      02:54pm | 15/02/12

      I’m with you, SM.  Maybe not “the most over-rated” - remember the Bay City Rollers?  Herman’s Hermits?  Freddy and the Dreamers ?  There was an awful lot of crap around the time of the Beatles. But they were and still are over-rated nonetheless.  Pretty much the bubblegum music of the sixties.  A couple of memorable songs, but that’s about it.  And then they got into drugs and the result was the weird noise that was supposed to be their psycho music.

      And John Lennon in particular saw himself as a philosopher of some kind !  Ringo seemed to be the only Beatle that realised they were lightweights who had a good agent and were in the right place at the right time.

      Pop music, almost by definition, is mostly shallow crap that’s forgotten quickly - both then and now.  Always a few gems amongst the rubbish, of course.  But we had to wait until Queen, Led Zep and others before there was much quality pop music.

      Mind you, Buddy Holly was damn good.  I dug up “Brown Eyed Handsome Man” last night - that was great.  A great pity he wasn’t around for longer. but “she loves you yeah yeah yeah yeah etc etc ” or “Hey Jude nah nah nah nah nah etc etc” music?  Give me a break!

    • bboomer says:

      03:02pm | 15/02/12

      A greater lack of understanding of the progressive music that was unleashed on an unsuspecting and unsatisfied world I have yet to read. The Beatles were the very remarkable powerhouse of innovation that launched popular music from the relatively shallow to the complex orchestral rock and roll that ensued and developed through the 1960’s, mesmerising and motivating millions of people.  Look at the 1965 Beatles concert at Shea stadium, the screaming was so loud the group couldn’t hear what they were playing but they were still in time and in tune.

    • Jamie says:

      04:02pm | 15/02/12

      The Rolling Stones are far better, and still alive

    • David says:

      04:32pm | 15/02/12

      The members of the Beatles came up with their best music after they had split and went on to their respective post Beatles careers. I would prefer the music of Wings or John Lennon’s Double Fantasy album to “Love Me Do” any day.

    • antman says:

      07:43pm | 15/02/12

      Some may prefer the Stones (but really, until Let it Bleed in ‘69, maybe Beggar’s Banquet in 68, the Stones were more miss than hit, Satisfaction and the odd other song excepted) or the individual members’ post-Beatles music but the Beatles’ influence on all aspects of popular music, except for live performance, cannot be overestimated.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      08:01pm | 15/02/12

      Go SM, the Stones were more honest

    • Steve says:

      08:49pm | 15/02/12

      um. wrong!

    • Roger says:

      08:58pm | 15/02/12

      Huonian

      “Brown Eyed Handsome Man” was a Chuck Berry song. Buddy Holly was nowhere near his class.

    • the other chris p says:

      06:21am | 16/02/12

      Agreed Roger; you have hit the nail on the head. The Beatles, the Stones, Elvis et al: all po’ white trash or middle-class white boys ripping off the black guys’ sounds.
      I’ve got my fair share of all of them scattered about my music collection, but I don’t get all butthurt whenever I read a lighthearted dig at them. Popular music is a disposable commodity; anyone who gets all teary-eyed and angry about it oughta take a good hard look.

    • KC says:

      09:28am | 16/02/12

      SM… shame on you for even thinking that.  Overrated is how you describe most (at least 99%) of the music being made today.

    • TEZZA says:

      12:39pm | 16/02/12

      The Other Chris: I agree with you.
      Beatles: nice to sing along with.
      The Stones: reached greater heights than the B’s.
      But: neither are at the apex of the culture - in fact the whole Rock n Roll thing is probably overdone.
      I think my own favourite artist of the second half of 20th C. was Mississippi John Hurt (but even then, it’s all noise. My real favourite listening would be Indian Classical).

    • Peter says:

      01:06pm | 15/02/12

      Hang on wait, you carried a cat by its tail? That’s awful.

    • Chris Paine says:

      01:28pm | 15/02/12

      Dude, I was two years old. </absolved>

    • Peter says:

      02:05pm | 15/02/12

      You are forgiven. Did it take a swipe?

    • Rowdy says:

      01:07pm | 15/02/12

      Being a huge Beatles fan, I can’t believe anyone doesn’t know who Sir Paul is and from whence he came, but I guess there will be a time when that is a little more commonplace.

      However, the thing that caught my eye is the plank of wood around Sir Paul’s neck. That, I believe, is his 1960 Les Paul Standard, sunburst finish. BEAUTIFUL instrument, and a VERY VERY rare left handed model.

      Wouldn’t get much change out of $750,000 i would imagine….how does he afford it??  wink

    • ibast says:

      01:36pm | 15/02/12

      Look I play the guitar (admittedly very badly) but in the end an electric guitar is two bits of wood nailed together.

      But apparently I’m the tosser having no regards for the Beatles. 

      Seems to me the whole music industry is full of tossers and the fact two bits of wood can sell for $750,000 is proof of that.

    • Lefty but Righty says:

      01:42pm | 15/02/12

      That Violin-y Bass he used to play, what was it, a hofner?
      That shat me to tears everytime i saw it.
      Ugliest. Bass. Ever.
      The Beatles - Good songs I guess. But get over them, Peeps!

    • jg says:

      02:10pm | 15/02/12

      MCactney played a Hofner. I have two. They set you back about $800.

      He also used a left handed Yamaha in later times, ie, Check out the ‘Walrus’ film clip.

    • jg says:

      02:14pm | 15/02/12

      sorry, tyop.

      McCartney…

    • jg says:

      02:14pm | 15/02/12

      sorry, typo.

      McCartney…

    • jg says:

      02:16pm | 15/02/12

      Sorry, hard day at work.

      He used a Rickenbacker in the Walrus clip. A Yamaha much later.

      I need a beer….

    • Ando says:

      02:37pm | 15/02/12

      Ibast,
      Your a tosser because u suggested the Beatles are are of no significance which is obviously rubbish.Whether you like them or not is irrelevant.
      Questioning the value of a rare guitar doesn’t get u out of it.

    • ibast says:

      03:46pm | 15/02/12

      ando, so your absolute is more valuable than mine?  And I’m the tosser?

    • SimpleSimon says:

      08:22am | 16/02/12

      @ibast - the history of that guitar alone is worth $750,000. But regardless, the late 50’5/early 60’s Les Pauls were remarkably good instruments. Hand made from the finest of fine wood, heavy, chock full of tone and sustain. They revolutionised the guitar. It’s no surprise they’re still making them today. I have several guitars, and my Les Paul is by far my favourite.

      That specific guitar though is a representation of the next 50 years of rock n roll - it lived through it, it saw it all, and it is still as beastly as ever. The fact that it’s “two bits of wood nailed together” (btw, if you’re playing a guitar with nails in it I’m not surprised you don’t have more respect for the instrument) is an obtuse statement, the same way as saying a Veyron is just some metal sheets with wheels bolted on.

    • Hoob says:

      01:12pm | 15/02/12

      Rolling Stones ANY day!

    • J says:

      01:17pm | 15/02/12

      Dude, seeing Roger Waters will be great, but everyone knows the voice of Pink Floyd is Dave Gilmour; and without Dave to sing and play his magnificent guitar solos, it just won’t be magical. Also, John was the magical Beatle that gave them life, not Paul.
      As for people not knowing who Paul and the Beatles are; these people shouldn’t be given the right to breathe. Fucking idiots.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      01:51pm | 15/02/12

      Agree about John, never did like Paul, thought he was a smarmy pretty boy without much talent.

      Mary had a little lamb proved it.

      George Harrison was better than Paul and even Ringo was better.

      The best songs came from John Lennon after the Beatles disbanded but to me if we are talking about pop music the Bee Gees shit on them all.

      They have endured with great songs since Barry started writing them way back in 1959 when he was a kid and they just keep them coming.

      Even as a 9 year old when the Beatles were invented I was a Lennon girl.

    • Froot Tingles says:

      02:03pm | 15/02/12

      I saw RW when he was out here a few years ago and he had four, count ‘em - four, guitarists to take Dave Gilmour’s place, each one being able to play a particular style Dave had. These guys were great guitarists in their own right but it’s telling that it took four of them to match the breadth and depth of Dave’s skills across his career.

      Fantastic show then (he played DSOTM in its entirety in the second half of the show) and you’ll love The Wall. I couldn’t justify stumping up the ticket cost this time.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:03pm | 15/02/12

      Who are you and what have you done with the real Marilyn? wink

      I was born after the Beatles had their run, but to not know who they are is pretty retarded. A good way to judge whether or not to discuss music with a particular person is ask them which radio station they listen to. If it’s anything but ‘I don’t listen to the radio’, end convo.

    • Bruce says:

      02:08pm | 15/02/12

      J: Agree. David Gilmour is the major artist in Pink Floyd. If he were to come to Australia I would be there in a flash. Seriously, many teenagers I know, know exactly who the BEATLES are. Those that do not, have no real interest in popular music, just plastic, no talent wanna bees. The Beatles are the music act that all other music acts are measured by.

    • Scotty P says:

      03:05pm | 15/02/12

      Pink floyd was never the same after Roger Waters left and his solo albums sounded more like Pink Floyd than the band he left as he wrote and sang most of the good stuff.
      Old Pink Floyd was also a way better band than the Beatles.

    • stephen says:

      05:43pm | 15/02/12

      Marilyn can you please keep
      writing about culture
      and give up on politics ?
      I like it, and I don’t get a shudder.

    • sha says:

      07:48pm | 15/02/12

      @ wynstan cruso…bbc 2 via the internet.I love it.

    • PW says:

      10:28pm | 15/02/12

      ScottyP, Pink Floyd were never the same after they became The Roger Waters band, pretty much after Dark Side of the Moon. This is why, unless you are familiar with this band’s output pre-1972 or so, Waters solo material does sound similar because its the same writer/singer just with different session musos. It wasn’t Waters’ fault. He was the only one with an ideas left.

      Paul McCartney: There is no risk that this bloke was a pop genius. Just so many wonderful hook-laden hits, dozens upon dozens of them.There have been others in his league as a pop craftsman at various times, but few to none with the same longevity. He’s hitting 70 now so of course he isn’t going to have a great deal of relevance to the snotty nosed kids of today, but I would have no doubt that the heroes of these kids would understand the importance of this bloke to music history unless they are completely tone deaf.

    • j says:

      09:50am | 16/02/12

      i always thought harrison’s songs were of much greater quality than the other guys, well thought out and well crafted .... i can’t say i’m a fan of the sugary pop fare that they produced early in their career but once they discovered drugs .... well, things got far more interesting.

    • Cynicised says:

      01:49pm | 16/02/12

      Pink Floyd were totally over-rated post Dark Side Of The Moon, agree, PW. The fuss made about The Wall is not warranted. It was largely a response to the video clip, not the music itself at the time which has left it with it’s overblown pop culture cred. Very boring and often misinterpreted song.

      I prefer McCartney’s writing to Lennon’s but agree that Harrison was the best of them all and he is sadly often overlooked in favor of the others.

      There is no doubting that throughout their career they were THE most influential band on pop music the world has eve seen. How much of that was a factor of their unique status and how much is due to artistry is debatable. Still love their music though, especially Rubber Soul, Revolver and The White Album.

    • Bellaa says:

      01:18pm | 15/02/12

      This is a completely unacceptable turn of events. It shows a complete lack of respect for anything good and true. Plus it makes me (at 30 years old) feel like a relic. How young and dumb do you need to be, to not know who The Beatles are?

      I can almost forgive a tween for not knowing the actual names of the band members (and I feel exceptionally gracious in saying that). HOWEVER… if they don’t know of the band, The Beatles, their parents have completely and utterly failed to ensure their child is, in any way, a cool, educated, rounded human being.

      Don’t get me started on our public school system. Clearly failing.

    • The root cause says:

      01:22pm | 15/02/12

      How far back do you want to take it champ and what makes you the authority on prerequisite historical musical knowledge? Young people know Gaga you know the Beatles and how to write utter bullshit. This is faulty literary product, I suggest you offer the outlet a refund.

    • Wubsmeister says:

      01:56pm | 15/02/12

      And you obviously DON’T know the number of an anger managment therapist. It’s a light-hearted article, dude. Have a coke and a smile and chill the f*ck out.

    • Chris Paine says:

      02:09pm | 15/02/12

      Hi champ! I actually prefer chief, but close enough. Thanks for your interest in my article. I agree, I’m a fraud, and I’m going back to journalism school. See you round campus!

    • Werner Klopek says:

      02:10pm | 15/02/12

      Faulty literary is referring to somebody as “champ”.

    • LuthienNienna says:

      01:24pm | 15/02/12

      All joking aside, everyone should know who Sir Paul is, even if they are too young to remember the Beatles. He’s Stella’s Dad, the one who married that one-legged bitch, then had a very horrid time divorcing her.

    • Manchester says:

      08:38pm | 15/02/12

      And what of Linda ? Not a good look Sirp Aul

    • Red says:

      01:29pm | 15/02/12

      The only thing that made me sadder than seeing that on twitter was seeing (probably) the same people saying that they would let Chris Brown beat them after he performed.

      The world (or at least the world under 16/18) has gone mad.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      01:50pm | 15/02/12

      Saw that too Red. America can be a strange place.

    • Rose says:

      03:03pm | 15/02/12

      I was horrified that Chris Brown was allowed to perform at the Grammys. I’m sure that there are plenty of talented performers who don’t go around beating up on their partners who could have done with the exposure that event will have given them

    • Jason Todd says:

      07:37pm | 15/02/12

      Even better, did you catch the statement from one of the Grammy’s organisers claiming that they were the victims.

      Yep. That’s right. The Grammy’s were the real victims. Chris Brown beats his girlfriend so bad, she winds up in the hospital, and the Grammy’s are the real victims.

      I was a little bit disgusted.

    • Trude says:

      01:32pm | 15/02/12

      Just what do the parents children teach them then?

    • maxload says:

      01:33pm | 15/02/12

      Technology just gives the masses the means to scream the thoughts of their pleb brains to a captured audiance. It’s the equivilent of letting the general public into the members stand. Easier to simply wind up the windows and laugh at their ignorance.

    • Brett says:

      01:34pm | 15/02/12

      Chris im with you on the Beatles/McCartney significance but you lost me with Roger Waters, I wouldnt pay to watch Jagger perform the whole of Sticky Fingers or Exile On Mainstreet on his own, why is The Wall performed by RW acceptable.

    • Balarka says:

      04:13pm | 15/02/12

      The Wall is more than just a Pink Floyd Concert. It’s very different prodict from say “dark side of the moon”. There has never been a show like the Wall. It’s part theatre, part rock opera, part cinema. I saw it recently in Perth. RW is fantastic, but the concept of The Wall is something much much bigger. If you havent seen the show, dont diss it. I paid $300+ to watch it. I would happily pay that much to watch it again. If you are missing it because you think it’s not worth it, you are simply cheating yourself out of one of the greatest rock shows ever.

    • Consumer says:

      01:35pm | 15/02/12

      At least Paul McCarrtney can still sing and has hardly changed in the past 40 years. This article is terrible. I’d love to know how much you got paid to write this crap?

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      03:00pm | 15/02/12

      Um consumer, you know that this is a piece in praise of McCartney, right? Pretty sure you win today’s “I only read the headline” award.

    • OMG says:

      08:45pm | 15/02/12

      Wait, there’s an award for that? Goddam, everyone gets a prize for anything these days. It’s PC gone mad. Probably Abbott’s fault. He never knows when to say “no”. And when he does, he usually means yes.

    • a normal person says:

      01:35pm | 15/02/12

      People that don’t understand how a generation may not know who the beatles are have no concept of reality. The beatles don’t get blasted on the radio much anymore, particular commercial radio and triple j. You really have no legitimate reason to be angry. People only know as much music/movies/pop culture as they have been exposed to. The way you prattle on makes it sound like the younger generation actively blocks their ears whenever they hear song or artist that occured before 2007. Just settle the hell down.

    • Ando says:

      03:02pm | 15/02/12

      I don’t think hes as angry as you think.

    • Anne71 says:

      08:16am | 16/02/12

      Wow. Seems to be far too many people taking this article seriously :/

    • Sam says:

      01:36pm | 15/02/12

      Who is Nicky Minaj?

    • RWL says:

      04:36pm | 15/02/12

      Mate, you don’t wanna know.

    • riversutra says:

      01:40pm | 15/02/12

      Lets hear more about the cat! Why were you carrying it by the tail? Everyone knows its more fun to carry them by their whiskers.

    • Hel says:

      03:27pm | 15/02/12

      It’s also funny to put a sock over their head. They walk backwards.
      Apparently…
      I didn’t do it.

    • sha says:

      08:19pm | 15/02/12

      Most interesting part of the article actually .Thankyou for the laugh.

    • justadude says:

      01:43pm | 15/02/12

      It’s just a case of the younger generation not giving a stuff about the older generations, They only care about what’s relevant to them. Further proof is the incident at the Grammys where two girls were seen texting or updating their tweets while sitting down during the standing ovation to Glen Campbell.

    • Mike says:

      03:06pm | 15/02/12

      This happens every generation I believe.  How many people can name their grandparents performing arts idols.  The indignance at younger generations not appreciating ‘the real deal’ is also a generational thing.  Happened to us will happen to every generation to come.

    • David says:

      04:41pm | 15/02/12

      I know the names of a few performers from my grandparents era even though I would never listen to them:

      Vera Lynne
      James Last and his orchestra
      Doris Day
      Barry Crocker
      Val Doonican
      Dean Martin

    • Ginger Mick says:

      05:25pm | 15/02/12

      And why wouldn’t you listen to them, David?

    • Tixielix says:

      08:44pm | 15/02/12

      Rosemary Clooney
      George’s auntie

    • David says:

      08:30am | 16/02/12

      @Ginger,

      I wouldn’t listen to them coz I’m not into that kind of music. Duh.

    • M says:

      01:44pm | 15/02/12

      Meh, hardly anyone in Gen Y knew who Johnny Cash was before Walk The Line came out in cinemas. I reckon most Gen Yers would be hard pressed to know who Buddy Holly was as well.

      The world moves on.

    • Samantha says:

      01:46pm | 15/02/12

      Apparently I was uncool for not knowing who the hell… (his name escapes me, case in point) was at the school I worked at last year.  To me, this artist was just another f****** person in a long line of supposed artists who would be dead and buried by the following year.  I grew up appreciating all sorts of music from a young age but only the last few years did I start delving into the music that influenced my favourite bands.  It’s awesome to see how music changes over the years, except when it becomes bland and generic like a lot of it seems to be these days. And no, I am not simply old (late 20’s is hardly what one would consider ‘old’).  I just appreciate good music, not crap that gets churned out year after year and is apparently ‘new music’.

    • EV says:

      01:48pm | 15/02/12

      I love that you call Pearl Jam a poor man’s Nirvana in an article about musical ignorance.

    • Stone says:

      03:45pm | 15/02/12

      Agreed… ironic much!

    • Jeff A says:

      10:22am | 16/02/12

      Yep, he lost me with that comment too…

    • Mike M says:

      05:57pm | 28/02/12

      Hey, have you guys seen Matt and Boom?!

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      01:56pm | 15/02/12

      I wouldn’t take it to heart if the same people who listen to Gaga and Bieber et al don’t know who Paul McCartney is. Their taste in music says it all.

    • Super D says:

      01:57pm | 15/02/12

      Just last week I threw out 95% of my old cassettes.  I decided I’d keep a couple, along with my walkman to one day show my boys.  I kept three pre-recorded cassettes as well as a few blanks.  The pre-recorded included:
      Guns and Roses - Apetite for Destruction
      Michael Jackson - Thriller
      Best of the Beatles.

      As far as I’m concerned that’s pretty much all you need to know about music right there in those three albums.

    • sha says:

      08:22pm | 15/02/12

      Sad.The rest of your music must have been Sh*t

    • Flea says:

      02:03pm | 15/02/12

      Who wrote the Hurrian cult hymn? Nobody knows. Maybe he/she/they were as big as the Beatles in 1400 B.C. He/she/they were certainly “more popular than Jesus”, having been writing music before his time. Music changes almost as much as the times. Deal with it.

    • Paul Mac says:

      02:04pm | 15/02/12

      2 words, “stupid americans”

    • iansand says:

      02:09pm | 15/02/12

      Simple question to assess a person’s age - “What is the name of Paul McCartney’s band?”

      The Beatles - Old fart
      Wings - Slightly younger fart (and sad person)
      Who? - Youngun.

    • Kath says:

      02:34pm | 15/02/12

      Apparently a girl my husband went to school with asked the question “Was Paul McCartney in a band before Wings?” during a class discussion on great musicians of history.

      It was a serious question.

      Sigh

    • Jade says:

      02:41pm | 15/02/12

      Your question is flawed iansand smile I am only 24 yet know who the Beatles are and actually have a quite a few of their songs on my iphone. I can’t possibly be an old fart :D

    • Comfortably Numb says:

      03:07pm | 15/02/12

      The answer to ‘Who?’ is, ‘No, that’s Roger Daltrey’s band.’
      (Or Pete Townshend’s or Keith Moon’s or John Entwhisltes ... all are correct answers to that question).

    • Millsy says:

      02:11pm | 15/02/12

      Relax ladies & gents…....it’s only music. Have a good day smile

    • Fred says:

      02:12pm | 15/02/12

      They are. They had a few good songs then died in the arse after the album with the sheep on it. Even on the first two albums most of it was pretentious, chardonnay socialist drivel.

      On topic, most people are cultural douchebags who think the Beatles are just some old shitty band. John shits all over Paul from a great height.

      The Beatles invented the music that was popular for the next 30 odd years until rap, techno and pop tarts ruined everything. Simple as that.

    • PW says:

      10:37pm | 15/02/12

      “John shits all over Paul from a great height.”

      There was a time I’d have agreed with this, but McCartney is responsible for some of the finest pop of the 60’s and 70’s. No one shits on him from anywhere. Both were extroardinarily talented and its remarkable that they turned up in the same act well before this was revealed.

      I’ve always thought The Beatles were the consummate pop band but a fairly average rock band. To their credit, they didn’t attempt serious rock all that often.

    • Ohcomeon says:

      08:11am | 16/02/12

      Beatles invented guitar pop? Then rap and techno ruined everything? One does wonder why you have such strong opinions on music Fred, when its pretty clear you have next to no knowledge about it at all. If youre not someones curmudgeonly grandfather, you should be!

    • Tchom says:

      02:17pm | 15/02/12

      The Beatles were alright if you’re into pop music. 6.5 out of 10

    • CJ says:

      02:23pm | 15/02/12

      Dear Chris,
      Paul McCartney hasn’t delivered a solid song since Band On The Run in 1974. Sure, a lot of McCartney’s early post Beatles work was significant and worthy of celebration, but I will add a five word caveat: Mary Had A Little Lamb (Jump on Youtube and school yourself. Go on. Right now. I’ll wait).
      McCatney was a brilliant composer, but no better than Dylan, Mick & Keef, Pul Simon, Lennon etc etc. He never went on to wtite an Imagine or an Instant Karma. He wrote Mull Of Kintyre and Ebony and Ivory instead. What would you rather they play at your funeral Chris? Imagine or Say Say Say?
      The point I’m trying to make is Paul WAS great - for about 12 years from 1962 to 1974 but today he really is just a boring old fart who, to quote your mate Roger Waters, is “hanging on in quiet desperation”. Hanging out at places where today’s successful artists are gathered, in the desperate hope they’ll bow and scrape and gush over his Sir-ry arse. Christ, the guy even made the publicity-powered effort to place flowers at a make-shift shine to Whitney Houston outside the Beverly Hills Hilton, bravely telling the phalanx of paparazzi: “This is about Whitney, not me.” (http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20120214/mccartney-whitney-houston-120214/) What a tool.
      I love the Beatles as much as the next person and I believe it’s people like me who are getting well tired of McCartney, the stupid “oooo” shape he makes with his mouth, his perpetually brown hair, his cringe-inducing need to appear on stage with today’s heavies like the Fooies and U2. Yes pal, you ARE Sir Paul MCartney. We get it. But would you mind f—king off now?

    • LostinPerth says:

      03:39pm | 15/02/12

      Gotta agree. CJ.

      I would rather listen to the Stones, Dylan, Simon & “the fro”, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd or John Lenon’s solo stuff now rather then the Beatles. Their music was great at the time, now its become dated.

    • antman says:

      07:18pm | 15/02/12

      Hey LostinPerth, I listen to all of those frequently, plus the Who and Hendrix, among many others (as I’m sure you do). Whether you prefer the music of the Beatles or other bands is not the measure of the Beatles. They did far more to change and shape popular music (and I don’t mean just “pop” music), recording techniques, even tying together different forms of media and merchandising than any other band in the rock and post-rock era (well, maybe KISS and one or two others might have done more with merchandising but overall, the Beatles have a far greater legacy).

      FWIW, generally, I prefer to listen to the Who and the Stones (mainly their ‘70s stuff, especially Exile, the Stones were pretty ordinary during the 60s, with the odd exceptional song, until Let it Bleed) but I still enjoy having a listen to the Beatles pretty regularly (Rubber Soul and later).

    • Shane W says:

      02:25pm | 15/02/12

      I think Chris’ point is not so much pro-Beatles as anti-cultural ignorance. I’m certainly old enough to know them and sometimes feel inferior that I don’t like them. But at least I know who the hell they are. And have done since before I was old enough to know I didn’t like them.

      I’m young enough to remember being the same age as those people Chris is amazed don’t know who Paul McCartney is – and old enough to shake my head and roll my eyes at the “youth of today”. My Dad must be laughing in his grave.

    • Dan says:

      02:26pm | 15/02/12

      Beatles Appreciation should be a compulsory unit at every university - even if you are studying aeronautical engineering. Anyone who doesn’t think - nay know - that the Beatles revolutionised popular music is clearly suffering from something.  There’s been nothing like them before or since. The fact that Paul is only a Sir is a travesty. He should at least be Prince or Saint (John and George already are). And why isn’t Ringo at least a Sir - even if he was the drummer?

      And for those who say ‘I wasn’t even born when the Beatles were around” I say: big deal. I wasn’t born when Motzart was around, but I know who he was and he sure wrote half-decent music.

    • sha says:

      08:28pm | 15/02/12

      “She loves me yeah yeah yeah”.Hardly Mozart.

    • Kid Handsome says:

      02:32pm | 15/02/12

      No one in my workplace knew who Roger Waters was when I mentioned that I was seeing him (which, by the way, has ruined all other concerts to come this year for me. Incredible show). People just have no interest in exploring and listening to good music. They just absorb the tripe out on commercial radio, and the nuevo-bogan/hipster crap that’s slowly destroying Triple J.

    • Mandy says:

      03:12pm | 15/02/12

      Isn’t it terrible that people all have different tastes, how dare they indeed!

    • Kid Handsome says:

      03:30pm | 15/02/12

      There’s a difference between people having different tastes and people having no taste. Listening to PBS or even Triple R in Melbourne would be a good start.

    • KofBrisvegas says:

      02:37pm | 15/02/12

      I knew I disliked Karl for a reason - what a douche bag…... PJ all the way
      AND totally brought that gold logie!!!!!

    • KT says:

      02:42pm | 15/02/12

      What an arrogant ass you are Chris. Save everybody some time by heading an article such as this with: “Why I feel I can laud it over the masses as I’ve followed hipstermatic rule #3: believe that the beatles changed everything.”

    • Chris Paine says:

      04:25pm | 15/02/12

      Hi KT, thanks for your interest in my arrogance. I’ve been working really hard on it, so I’m glad you noticed! I’m still waiting for my copy of the hipstermatic book to arrive by vinyl, so thanks for clue-ing me in. But you could have at least included a spoiler alert, jeez! Anyway, I’m not sure if hipsters existed when my parents introduced me to The Beatles in 1990, but I’m sure you’re right anyway.

    • David Gilmour says:

      02:52pm | 15/02/12

      .....Roger Waters…...BOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

    • Carlos Smearson says:

      02:53pm | 15/02/12

      494 words and I am still none the wiser who this Peter McCartney fellow is. Kudos!

    • bugs'n beetle hater says:

      02:58pm | 15/02/12

      Well i’m young-ish (just under 30) and know a little about that paul beatle. He played guitar and sang a little - in a band with a few other ‘mama boys’ with the same home haircuts. I dont know why all those little girls used to scream at them. They sounded average (beach boys were far better)... and then he dropped into the abyss.. and then reappeared looking old and marrying some one-legged woman… and now he just seems really desperate, and needs to go away. The ‘sir’ is such a kiss-ass to the queen.

    • antman says:

      07:25pm | 15/02/12

      He played bass (officially, he probably played the odd bit of guitar and drums on some albums).

      You obviously don’t understand what the Beatles did to all aspects of popular music. The Beach Boys had Pet Sounds, which pushed some boundaries, but to say that they were better than the Beatles merely prompts the question “In what limited way?”. Because from all objective viewpoints, the Beatles were better in the totality of their acheivements (artistically and commercially) than anyone.

    • A says:

      03:00pm | 15/02/12

      Chris, her name is spelled Nicki Minaj - Google is your friend.

    • Jim Jammerus says:

      03:58pm | 15/02/12

      If Google was really your friend, it would refuse to show anything by this ‘Nicki Minaj’...Friends don’t let friends listen to Nicki Minaj.

      The fact that you care enough to correct the article, is mindblowing.

    • Brian Wilson Forever says:

      03:01pm | 15/02/12

      i wonder if the silly kiddies had any idea who those old blokes were that were on stage with Maroon 5 when Good Vibrations was being played grin

    • Kate says:

      03:06pm | 15/02/12

      I’m confused how Bon Iver got nominated for best NEW artist with a debut album in 2007…

      Either way, the more people who get to experience their music the better smile

    • Johannes says:

      09:25am | 16/02/12

      lol that was i said to my tv when i saw it….my tv had nothing to say on the matter

    • Chris Topher says:

      03:07pm | 15/02/12

      To not know who Paul McCartney is is fair enough. To use the excuse of “He was big before I was born therefore I couldn’t possibly know who he is” or “He’s old therefore I couldn’t possibly know who he is LOLZ” is a load of garbage. By that logic they shouldn’t know who Jesus is either.

    • Zopo says:

      03:10pm | 15/02/12

      George Harrison was the man - Traveling Wilbury’s man!!

    • Skye says:

      03:15pm | 15/02/12

      I know who Paul is, however, twitter totally confuses me! This is the first thing on the interweb that really really confuses me and makes me feel old….

    • JTE says:

      03:20pm | 15/02/12

      The Beatles were and are boring, commercial and ludicrously unthreatening in an era of otherwise revolutionary music.  Coldplay is the modern equivalent.

      Or U2. Not edgy at all.

      Pun intended.

    • jaz says:

      05:49pm | 15/02/12

      oh man have you actually heard the Beatles,  Please Please go listen to ‘A day in the life ‘, ’ While My Guitar Gently Weeps’ ’ Helter Skelter ’ , tomorrow never knows ’ ,and ’ happiness is a warm gun ’ right now and then compare them to u2 or cold play .

    • antman says:

      07:28pm | 15/02/12

      WTF are you on? You need to consider them in the context of the other music that was being created around them. Definitely not boring, commercial or unthreatening (although less threatening than the Stones or the Who or a few others).

    • Steve says:

      08:56pm | 15/02/12

      Wow, JTE’s listened to a couple of Beatles ballads and wants to let the whole world know how ignorant he is. Full name next time. Be proud of it.

    • master says:

      03:25pm | 15/02/12

      The use of soz in an article published by a major media outlet…. journalist should be kneecapped.

    • sunny says:

      03:31pm | 15/02/12

      There’s probably a path through music evolution from The Beatles to most bands and performers today including Bieber and Gaga - so many bands, musicians and song writers were inspired and influenced by them directly or indirectly. For example there’s probably countless bands influenced by Oasis who were greatly influenced by The Beatles.

    • Simon says:

      03:35pm | 15/02/12

      A Les Paul, ‘2 bits of wood nailed together’??? You need to go on the Youtube Gibson Nashville Factory Tour, look it up. As for new generations not knowing about the Beatles, they were the biggest influence in Music, period. No Bieber or Gaga or Adele or whoever you like now without them. Billion albums sold? Massive influence on everyone and everything, U2 covered them as has every other artist. Cmon, there is no excuse for this ignorance, talk to your parents.

    • Carl Wilson 4eva says:

      03:35pm | 15/02/12

      Beach boys were the highlight
      Welcome back to the stage fellas!

    • Li says:

      03:42pm | 15/02/12

      The Beatles were a very significant band in music history, ok, I’ll give you that - however as far as Sir Paul goes, could anyone be more overrated than him? 
      see :  CJ says: 03:23pm | 15/02/12

      What CJ said smile

    • Disco Stu says:

      04:05pm | 15/02/12

      If you achieve the title of being pretty much THE music man, not just a music man I’ll let the blasphemy slide but until then, you’re joking!

    • Sarah says:

      03:44pm | 15/02/12

      Chris - I saw Roger Waters in Brisbane earlier this month.

      IT WENT OFF!!!!!!!!!

      He’s as good today as he was 20 years ago. Best concert ever!

    • Sir Lancelot says:

      03:50pm | 15/02/12

      This is a pointless debate, as they say :arguing on the internet is a bit like the special Olympics - even if you win, your still retarded grin

    • Master says:

      04:01pm | 15/02/12

      So what does the use of an unoriginal internet meme make you?

    • Shane says:

      08:59am | 16/02/12

      You’re the retarded one, can’t even write in correct english.

    • Homer says:

      03:59pm | 15/02/12

      Because they’re stupid that’s why? That’s why everyone does everything!

    • Claire says:

      04:06pm | 15/02/12

      Are you taking crazy pills? TEAM RINGO FTW!!!

    • LJ Dots says:

      05:19pm | 15/02/12

      @Claire. I’m with you there, I never really got into the Beatles but Ringo had by far the superior accent in the cartoon.

    • Bear says:

      04:10pm | 15/02/12

      Age is no excuse. Today’s young headbangers listen to the same music I did growing up when it was new! That’s because it’s iconic, awesome, unsurpassable and brilliant. Much like a lot of early rock n roll.

    • Gary says:

      04:13pm | 15/02/12

      The most outrageous thing I read on Twitter yesterday was, “THE LAST LIVING BEATLE”.

    • dak says:

      04:18pm | 15/02/12

      Damn you!  Pearl Jam > Nirvana.

      And Ringo ftw!

    • Chris says:

      09:54am | 16/02/12

      Shocked to the core, I was. The two bands are not similar at all. Pearl Jam are a more, much more technical band. They are more hard rock and less grunge than Nirvana. I actually find it difficult to categorise Pearl Jam as grunge.

    • dak says:

      08:46am | 17/02/12

      Dude, if they’re not similar, then why were you comparing them?  More than comparing - you flat out said PJ are an inferior version.

      They’re “more technical” because they are better musically, and have a lyricist who doesn’t care about shock value and trying so hard to be different and out there.  I loved Nirvana 20 years ago, but I can’t see how they could have lasted the way PJ have (if Kurt had still been around for the last 18 years).

      Out of interest, what do you think of PJ’s versions of Beatles songs?  (I’m not saying I prefer them).

    • Liam says:

      04:28pm | 15/02/12

      “And, at the risk of inciting blind hatred among Pearl Jam fans still desperately clinging to the legacy of a poor man’s Nirvana, that’s an insult to Justin Vernon.”
      And this is a piece slamming people for being ignorant of the history of contemporary music?

      You are a gimp.

    • Haydz says:

      04:56pm | 15/02/12

      I’m not big on the Beatles, but I totally respect EVERYTHING they ever did (except sell their rights to Michael Jackson). Without them music as we know it today would be different. Totally different. In the time old debate of Stones vs Beatles, I take Mick and Keith’s crew every time, but you cant take anything away from the Abbey Road boys.

    • sunny says:

      05:43pm | 15/02/12

      The Stones were brilliant musicians too and by-and-large were brilliant song writers. Monotonous melody was their modus operandi - sometimes this worked (e.g my fav track Bitch) and sometimes it didn’t - but they were attention seekers more than anything. With The Beatles all their creative energy went into the song writing/playing and any posturing/self promotion was secondary. But as you allude to it’s horses for courses and I respect the Stones just (or maybe almost) as much as The Beatles.

    • iansand says:

      06:22pm | 15/02/12

      Stones do great blues based rock.  Always have - always will.  But that is all they do.

      The Beatles took a poppy guitar rock format and took it much further.

      The Stones are the old farts in smoking jackets drinking brandy in front of a fire, harrumphing and saying things were better in their day.  The Beatles are the blokes on an iPad working out what else it can do.

    • jhamiltonwa says:

      07:55pm | 15/02/12

      Pedantic Nerd Alert:

      They still own the performers rights to the music, and the composers rights. What Michael Jackson bought was the publishing rights that were originally with the record company. Or something like that.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      11:51am | 16/02/12

      They didn’t. Jackson outbid McCartney for “Northern Songs” and then couldn’t come up with the cash so it was broken up into lots and sold off to the highest bidders worldwide never to be re-united so it seems.
      This caused the rift between the two that wasn’t healed at the time of Jackson’s death.

    • stephen says:

      05:22pm | 15/02/12

      The Beatles were only so good because they were a bit better than Hermans Hermits.
      Mr. Epstein was their master, and the history of pop music is really one of good management, fine perceptions of marketability, the introduction of TV didn’t hurt either ... plus The Beatles were English and they were an antidote to Elvis.
      But there is something else : each player in the band had their own persona, there own personality. (Thanks, Brian.)
      This was a big selling point.
      4 rebels in tandem looking for a way out of chaos.
      And look how they stared at their instruments on stage whilst playing, as if only we , the listener, had the time and the grace to listen.
      They were selling.
      Perfect marketing.

      Eleanor Rigby, Here Comes The Sun, I Am The Walrus plus about 2 others are good.
      The rest is bad Moody Blues.
      (And maybe the Moodies should be grateful, too.)

      The Beach Boys were much, much more subtle.
      Different colours though, warmer than The Beatles though their harmonies were as divergent as, say, the jazz tracks of the later Impressionists ... Eberhard Weber Blues - a Dutch group comes to mind.

      When The Beatles broke up, I bought all Wings’s albums.
      I’ve still got them. (Band on the Run is their best.)
      And now they sound like Bad Company but with Paul’s whine.

      They were a whine, and at the right time.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      02:43pm | 16/02/12

      So you prefer Wings to The Beatles? Makes about as much sense as the rest of your post.

    • stephen says:

      08:53pm | 16/02/12

      Well I’ve made some points.
      What’s yours’ ?

    • Trev says:

      05:22pm | 15/02/12

      You guys…. 

      I grew up on the Beatles and stones..  But the Clash just blew everyone away…

      As they say…  It’s only rock and roll…....

    • Steve says:

      08:48pm | 15/02/12

      The Clash gave one of the best concerts I ever saw (Cloudland Ballroom, Brissie). They kicked off with London Calling and didn’t let up. A great great evening. I still listen to them but they’ve only a double handful of truly great songs that stand the test of time. The Beatles are way in front.

    • Gerard says:

      06:10pm | 16/02/12

      Sorry Steve, Trev is 100% correct. There’s only ever been one band that mattered, and it wasn’t the Beatles.

    • S says:

      05:22pm | 15/02/12

      Greatest Beatles song????

      For me: Here Comes The Sun.
      Written by George Harrison. Probably my favourite Beatle.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:22pm | 16/02/12

      @S - I’d still rate “If I Fell” as my favourite, simply because of the beautiful harmonies. But “A Day in the Life” and “Across the Universe” would tie for second, with “Because” a close third.

    • Lloyd says:

      06:52pm | 15/02/12

      I’m 28 and since I was a boy have been interested in learning about all forms of popular music. Although I am not a Beatles fan, their influence on popular music cannot be swept aside and I do agree with the assertion that a lot of the younger generation are simply becoming moronic due to the horseshit that is on the charts. Me personally? I am a disco lover. Say that to most Beatles fans and you’ll get brushed aside too. But delve a little deeper and you’ll find 40 piece orchestras like Barry White’s Love Unlimited Orchestra, THP Orchestra, Giorgio Moroder, Cerrone….all who made amazing music that challenges the views that disco is just “YMCA” and “Knock On Wood”..whoa, I just got way off topic. ...anyway back to the Beatles. I agree. Only a douche would not know who he or they are.

    • Colon says:

      07:02pm | 15/02/12

      Some people are too stupid to know how stupid they are. Most artists only produce one or two good songs, the rest are usually mediocre, but the Beatles were different in that they had more good ones than the others. But it was that other Beatle, John Lennon, who created outrage when he claimed the Beatles were bigger than Jesus. Fame-wise they were horizontally in time, but not vertically. Paul McCartney also kick-started the drug culture when he claimed LSD helped him see God. Blame him for all those drug deaths since then.

    • Stewie says:

      07:16pm | 15/02/12

      I like you, Chris Paine.

    • sha says:

      07:50pm | 15/02/12

      Not a fan of Wings.extremely irritating songs.Like The Beatles though.But I like Elvis too.And Pearl Jam.And Mumford and Sons.You can move with the times and still retain your love of music overall

    • phatrob1 says:

      07:54pm | 15/02/12

      i’m not a fan of the beatles.
      they have undoubtedly had a huge impact on music and the way it’s marketed.
      HAD.
      they’ve had their day in the sun…. time for some new talent (i wouldn’t be looking at who’s winning grammys’ to find talent. scour the internet to find new and exciting, independent stuff that is untainted by the music industries money making over substance values)

    • C'mon says:

      08:37am | 16/02/12

      Until a band comes out that is good as them and makes such a massive impact - your point is invalid. They’re the band STILL influencing people. These classic bands, The Clash, KISS, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Hendrix, The Doors - THESE are the bands who are still cited as influences for bands these days.

      I’m 28 and embarrassed over the lack of musical knowledge of teens.

    • Sereima says:

      08:09pm | 15/02/12

      I’d just like to thank all the noobs who contributed to “#WhoIsPaulMcCartney?” for once again making my whole generation look like douche- lords… Good work guys.

    • sha says:

      08:16pm | 15/02/12

      I am also 47 years old and The Beatles were even before my time.I like their music in an historic way but that is it. My last conscience thought about The Beatles was when I set up John Lennon’s Double Fantasy display in the record shop where I worked. I just thought(at 15) they were kind of weird and old. That hasn’t changed.Though that’s what I am now heh.

    • Kathy says:

      08:24pm | 15/02/12

      Sorry but can’t Paul McCartney gracefully retire?  The world has moved on from bubblegum pop.  Groundbreaking though the Beatles were, for goodness sake that was in the 60s & as a realistic 52 year old I would be alarmed if the teen/ 20 somethings were even the slightest bit interested in all that old stuff

    • Steve says:

      08:41pm | 15/02/12

      I’ll give the Gen Y and Tween skeptics an stirrers a simple equation: If ‘star power’ were quantifiable (able to be added up) then one Paul McCartney would exceed the sum of Rihanna+Katy Perry+ Adele+LL Cool J+Taylor Swift+as many other tween sensations as you can fit in a bus. This doesn’t mean I don’t rate any of these performers, but they live in the shadow of Paul McCartney. Even proper rock stars like Springsteen and Dave Grohl are genuinely thrilled to share a stage with Macca. Enjoy him while you can. There’ll never be another.

    • Paul says:

      06:33am | 16/02/12

      There’ll never be another.

      Thank god.

    • Steven C says:

      06:18am | 16/02/12

      I was born 7 years after the Beatles broke up but am still proud to say they are my favourite band of all time, I was lucky enough to see Paul McCartney live at the MCG back in 1993 and it was one of the greatest shows I’ve ever been to (Roger waters doing the wall the other night at the Melbourne tennis centre was up there though, you for a treat!) if it weren’t for the whole ‘team Paul’ thing then this would have been the perfect article. Unfortunately, someone thinking Paul > John makes members of team John #headshake in much the same manner as mentioned above!

    • Paul says:

      06:32am | 16/02/12

      I was asked once if I was a Stones or a Beatles man. I thought I had to pick between the two until I realised I was neither. I don’t doubt either had significance but it’s kinda lost on me. And to call Paul McCartney a genius is a bit of a stretch. Do any of you Beatles freaks hold the same regard for Wings? And what about his solo career? Apart from Maybe I’m Amazed, the rest of it has been pretty lame. It’s time to move on people.

    • Chump says:

      07:20am | 16/02/12

      Team George, Paul and John are jerks.

    • Craig says:

      07:25am | 16/02/12

      Get over yourselves.

      Why should our kids know or appreciate the musicians their grandparents loved?

      Did we appreciate or love the musicians our grandparents loved?

      Every era is the pinnacle of musical achievement to those who lived in it.

      Our youth need their own art, their own leaders. If we liked them, they wouldn’t be the right leaders.

      And don’t feel hurt. In thirty years times our kids will be making these exact same complaints about their children.

    • Steve says:

      07:33am | 16/02/12

      Geez, McCartney’s lame songs with Wings and Michael Jackson somehow demonstrate a lack of talent? Lack of Judgement, not ability. McCartney should be judged on his Beatles output and contribution. In that, he has commercial success, critical acclaim and the respect of his peers. He’s only vulnerable to criticism from people who just don’t like those songs!

    • Jellybean says:

      07:58am | 16/02/12

      You know what?  The people who don’t know who Paul McCartney is are the same people who have NO idea what line comes next when The Angels ask:  “Am I ever gonna see your face again?”

    • subotic says:

      08:02am | 16/02/12

      How do you get The Beatles back together again?

      Two more bullets….

    • edwina says:

      08:18am | 16/02/12

      im 23 and i have known who the beatles are since i was just a kid. if anyone of my age or younger doesn’t know the beatles i would have to place the blame on their parents for not educating them on good music…

    • John Sorg, M.D. says:

      08:22am | 16/02/12

      The Beatles became a successful band and the standard for pop-rock music for one reason in particular: “work ethic”. That is also why they, both collectively and individually, gained the respect of their peers in the music industry. The number of live gigs that they played from 1960-62 in phenomenal. Its hard to imagine a “pop” group with a limited repretoire jamming on stage for an hour plus, particularly when that genre was essentially limited to 2 minute long dittys with a carefully constructed “middle eight”. The art of being a “band” that the Beatles honed over thousands of hours of live sessions during their formative years carried them well into the 60’s and fostered a powerful sense of self-confidence. Add to that the required attendance of luck, good fortune, mass media and an occasionaly stroke of genius, and, presto, “ladies and gentlmen, please welcome to our stage, from Liverpool, England, the BEATLES!”

      http://www.quora.com/The-Beatles/How-many-shows-did-the-Beatles-play-before-they-signed-their-first-record-deal

    • Shane Wilkinson says:

      08:30am | 16/02/12

      I don’t give a flying F**# if kids don’t know who the Beatles are!!!
      I was a kid in the seventies and the adults made fun of kids as the common joke went “did you know Paul McCartney was in another band before Wings???”
      I didn’t and I didn’t care much for adult perception. I still liked Paul and George and Ringos music - I grew up with it. I never even heard of John Lennon till he got shot and then I learned about the Beatles.
      I was just glad I wasn’t forced to listen to music from the 1930’s - let each generation to its own - kids will find out about the Beatles sometime in their life….
      I love the Beatles as a band and individually…
      Honestly I got over these “who are the Beatles” jokes in the seventies…
      Who cares???

    • marley says:

      12:16pm | 16/02/12

      Some of the 30s stuff - the blues music in particular but also some of the Swing - is really worth listening to.  Bing Crosby, not so much.

    • Joe says:

      08:41am | 16/02/12

      This was really annoying to read

    • Chris Paine says:

      09:11am | 16/02/12

      Hey Joe! Thanks for your comment. I don’t have anything constructive to add, so I’ll just say this: Your face was really annoying to read.

      That’s all I got.

    • Johannes says:

      09:03am | 16/02/12

      Being a big beatles fan myself, I loved this artical. I agree with almost everything…almost… Team John!

    • Val Thor says:

      09:50am | 16/02/12

      I’m not a Beatles fan, but compared to some of the regurgitated repetitive nauseating garbage that’s available now…I chose the Beatles any day.

    • Hoochie Coochie Man says:

      09:50am | 16/02/12

      The Paul v John and Beatles v Stones arguments have always baffled me. I can only assume that most people who get so caught up in them have never played an instrument or written or performed a song. You can’t compare them and decide which one is better, because they’re different. It’s comparing apples and oranges. You can like one more, everyone is entitled to their opinion and personal taste. But one isn’t better than the other. Paul was a genius at crafting simple, sweet melodies that told stories about everyday life. John was a genius at writing more complex, grating tunes that told stories about angst and so on. The Beatles in their early days were brilliant at writing and performing a catchy pop song (after their even earlier days when they were pretty good at covering Little Richard, Lieber and Stoller, Ray Charles etc). The early stones were good at covering songs by blues and soul artists. The Beatles went down the path of studio experimentation and psychedlia, the Stones went down the path of harder rocking blues and rock tunes. They’re BOTH brilliant. Anyone who can’t appreciate both bands is narrow minded or doesn’t really like music as much as they think they do.

    • Jon says:

      11:06am | 16/02/12

      I couldn’t agree more.  Well said.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:35pm | 16/02/12

      + 1, Hoochie Coochie Man. I’ve never thought that loving The Beatles means I can’t also love The Rolling Stones, and I do.  Anyone who thinks that being a fan of one means you have to hate the other is missing out on some brilliant music.

    • Jon says:

      09:50am | 16/02/12

      I don’t understand those of you saying Paul should retire, or he’s lost any skill he had.  When was the last time you actively searched out some of his recent material?
      I’m guessing that anyone who thinks Paul still ‘has it’ - which he does in my opinion - thinks so because they’re listening to his new stuff.  They’ve done the research so to speak, have you?

      Listen to “The Firemen” album “Electric Arguments” - an experimental rock album by McCartney released in 2009 -  and then tell us what you think.
      Music taste is a matter of opinion of course, so why not be informed before you comment?

    • Chris says:

      09:52am | 16/02/12

      What’s this ‘poor man’s’ Nirvana, crap!? Two different bands, mate. Two completely different bands. And one of them is still going strong.

    • Ben says:

      09:56am | 16/02/12

      I have seen Sir Paul in concert (twice in three nights) and his concert was the best I have ever been to. Non-stop. Oldies mixed with new. Beatles, Wings and his solo numbers. Ballads to rock. He has to go down in history as the greates song-writer of all time. Yes - there are other performers who can sing better, but Sir Paul writes his own stuff and is a pure entertainer.

    • Doug says:

      10:32am | 16/02/12

      Legendy songwriter - his melodies have been heard around the world for nearly fifty years. His lyrics were not so great by comparison, but the music was magnificent. Unfortunately I would expect many under 30s to be quite ignorant of who he is, just as many older people would wonder who Bing Crosby was. Or Frank Sinatra. What about Glenn Miller. Or perhaps most closely, Arthur Sullivan of Gilbert and Sullivan fame. The world moves on. People forget.

    • lennon fan says:

      10:36am | 16/02/12

      Watch the documentary Paul Mccartney really is dead !
      beatles fans can make the link

    • Chris says:

      10:48am | 16/02/12

      Whilst I’m a Dylanologist myself (go on, look it up), Paul McCartney is one of the greatest musicians of the last 100 years, his bass playing from the earliest days of the Beatles is sublime (not forgetting his prowess on other instruments).

      What is a tragedy tho, is that Brian Wilson seems to have been forgotten over the last 10 or so years. And Sir Paul would be with me on that one.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:07pm | 16/02/12

      And who is this MacKartney guy?
      I’ve heard go Mozart and Beethoven even Bach and Berlioz.  MacKartney what symphony did he write?
      Is he a DJ? When was he ever on ABC Classical?
      If I haven’t come across him he must be a minor blip in history and Knight at that. Does he joust? Is he the Queen’s champion?

    • Steve Putnam says:

      03:30pm | 16/02/12

      As a long term listener to ABC Classic FM, I can assure you orchestrations of Beatle songs are regularly played on this station. “MacKartney (sic)....a minor blip in history”....The Beatles, according to Wikipedia, have sales in access of one billion so what is the reasoning behind your ridiculous assertion?

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:12pm | 16/02/12

      How does a melody guitar, a rhythm guitar and a base guitar accompanied by a set of drum conjure up anything but pop music?
      Ignorant peseants

    • Bewildered says:

      12:30pm | 16/02/12

      Who cares if some guy in some band isn’t recognised. It’s when people go who’s Adolf Hitler that you should be very afraid. Oh wait, that’s already happening. Knowing history is important. Knowing some cultural group? Pfft!

    • Lulu says:

      12:59pm | 16/02/12

      Am starting a campaign to have “cupcake” returned to Aussie “pattie cake”

    • JAZ says:

      03:10pm | 16/02/12

      Some of you people are utterly insane !!
      The Beatles are and always will be the best band this planet has known
      The mere fact that some people dont know who Paul from the Beatles is, is ridiculous. I understand that some young kids might have a clue if there parents dont introduce them to it in some shape or form. One of the best thing my folks ever did for me was to introduce me to a wide range of music.
      Without visionaries such as Paul and the Beatles we would have been starved of inspired aspiring musicians over the last 40 years.
      I’m 34 years old and listen & love all types of music but always go back to the Beatles.

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      06:56am | 29/02/12

      you must read <a >chanel handbags</a>  suprisely

 

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