So, “butter would not melt in his mouth”, Kevin apparently has a robust vocabulary when it comes to privately berating his factional colleagues including females.

Last week he and his cohorts used question time to plead the higher moral ground when it comes to allowing women parliamentarians to speak.

They complained mightily when the Leader of Opposition Business moved that “the speaker be no longer heard” when a female minister was droning on.  But no such criticism for Kevin’s letting fly with the F word with female factional foes that had the temerity to disagree with his point of view.

Hypocrisy is the word that springs readily to mind but Mr Rudd’s justification for the swearing that this is just normal Labor behaviour adds arrogance and anger as apt descriptors.

Kevin took umbrage at Belinda Neal and her Iguana behaviour – perhaps he still has the name and number of the anger management counsellor he sent her to and should make an appointment for himself to keep the angry, arrogant hypocritical alter ego in check.

What price democracy?

Funding for political parties is a contentious issue – but they don’t run on fresh air – even though some will think they should.

Usually people concentrate on the amount spent at election time and then only by the Parties themselves.

The 2007 election turns that thinking on its head as the biggest spender was the Trade Union movement.  And a new player, Get Up, also spent lots in support of Labor.

And that’s the problem (certainly for us) the pro-Labor media advertising spend was greater than the Labor Party’s spend but together more than double what the Coalition spent.

Often the analogy is made that Labor has the Unions and Liberals have the Employer Associations – Not So.

Unions are part of the Labor Party. Indeed the Labor Party is the political arm of the Union movement. Remember Simon Crean tried to take them, and their influence, on and lost his job!

Unions are also not subject to the same financial scrutiny as formal political parties thus in the last federal election the source of their funds remains illusive but their spending power was estimated as at least $20 million.  Add this to the ALP’s spend of $15 million getting $35 million media spent to attack Liberal policies – particularly Workchoices – was vastly more than the Libs.

New spender on the block in the two financial years covering the 2007 election spent over $1.8 million.

At the same time this discussion is going on, major corporate players say they will no longer   give to political parties and yet I would argue corporations contributing to the political process by donating to political parties makes them good corporate citizens.

Parties have to run organisations and comply with the already in place disclosure provisions.

The reality is that if the Liberal Party cannot compete financially with the ALP/Union juggernaut we risk a one party state.

Democracy doesn’t come for free, it needs competition and it needs financial participation from its citizenry to survive.

Nursing a sick state

You know the system is rotten when the NSW Labor Government thinks it can fix the hospital system by replacing Registered Nurses with Assistants-in-Nursing.  New ratios of RNs to patients dressed up as reform to save money means a poor deal for patients.

We have been told for years we have a nurse shortage and yet this lot in NSW are effectively saying we can do with fewer.

Reminds one of the best Yes Minister episodes ever – the hospital that was a bureaucrat’s dream – no patients.

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    • Peter Collinson says:

      06:53am | 22/09/09

      Nobody cares that Rudd swore in his off hours, let alone the gender of the audience. 

      And what happened during to the donors from the Howard years?  Did they all suddenly shift to Labor in 2007?

    • Biff says:

      06:58am | 22/09/09

      Any boss in the real workplace who used such language would find himself in front of some ALP-created tribunal.

    • James says:

      07:21am | 22/09/09

      Why on earth is the gender of the person who he swore at significant?

      It would seem that Kevin has revealed himself to be a real human being, shock horror!

    • Reg says:

      07:45am | 22/09/09

      As far as I’m concerned, he can swear all he wants. It’s the abusiveness and total disregard for anyone’s opinion but his own that disturbs me.

      Verbally abusing people in his own party who are questioning his decisions just goes to emphasise the totalitarian nature of the ALP: when was the last time you saw a Labor Senator cross the floor without getting forcibly ejected from the party?

    • lantana says:

      08:41am | 22/09/09

      This all sounds a bit like the Scores strip club incident, where the spin machine released a carefully scripted little foible in a vain attempt to assert that Krudd is one of the good ol’ boys.  Stick to Mandarin, Cardboard Kevin.

    • Darren says:

      08:51am | 22/09/09

      1. who do you think ‘leaked’ the story of Kevin’s swearing? - probably the PM’s office - makes him look ‘Australian’, makes him look like he stands up to the factions, makes him look like he is against the gravy train of expenses.
      2. why should my taxes go towards any of the political parties - i don’t like any of them - cut the level of donations to $1k per person per annum - let the parties survive on that - then I wont get so much crap in my letter box - btw Bronwyn who paid for the over a quarter of a million dollars spent by the Liberal Party candidate in my electorate at the last state election?

    • acker says:

      09:01am | 22/09/09

      Bronwyn, Bronwyn, Bronnie….Pulling your punches like this quote from your above blog….
      “Kevin apparently has a robust vocabulary when it comes to privately berating his factional colleagues including females”... :?
      Is why you failed to crack though the glass ceiling and become a more prominent Liberal politician. Thoughts like females want to be treated equally but don’t use colorful language in front of the ladies, sounds more like the CWA 1960’s/1970’s mantra, rather than a modern female Liberal perspective in 2009…I’m sure you were a great feminine force for the Lib’s in the 1980’s & 90’s but I am sorry to say your views and the almost parrot like view of your namesake Julie Bishop are more likely holding back the feminine cause in the Liberal party, rather than helping it move forward. Maybe dear you should grab a nice cuppa tea and move on wink

    • Mel says:

      09:05am | 22/09/09

      Nothing is said about Kevin unless he wants it known, so there would be a publicity reason for this getting out.

    • Adam says:

      09:45am | 22/09/09

      To Acker, some of us actually see it as a sign of character that a woman behaves with dignity and that men treat women with dignity. You seem to have this misconceived notion that a “modern female Liberal perspective in 2009” means not to bat an eyelid at obscene language by a political leader. Surely a modern female and male Liberal perspective in 2009 should be to discourage obscene language and thereby show civility to others. There is no better example of a woman leading in this area than the South Australian Liberal leader, Isobel Redmond. (The story was covered in a Punch article a couple of months ago). Bravo Bronwyn, enjoy the cuppa tea and let the crude Lefties choke on their lattes!

    • Roy says:

      09:55am | 22/09/09

      For the life of me I cannot understand why there is all this fuss about the use of a four letter word ending in ‘uck.’ There does not appear to any angst in the air when we use the words ‘buck, muck, duck,luck,suck,tuck,puck.’ So what is so special about fuck?  It’s only a word.
      Some people are more concerned about so-called ‘bad words’ than the truly evil things of our world viz. poverty,hunger, child abuse, war, terrorism, religious fanaticsm. The list goes on. Let’s get things in perspective.

    • Jim says:

      09:56am | 22/09/09

      Rudds probably let this one out while he’s in the states, so hopefully they here about it and think WOW Kev’s no nerd he means business! What a tough bloke! this may not be the reason but i’m sure it was let out to the media for a reason known to him. He doesn’t take back what he said either WOW how tough he is…lol

    • Cherub says:

      10:31am | 22/09/09

      Leaving aside Kevin Rudd whose language in front of women matches many Liberal MPs I know, the fact is that the use of bad language does matter.  Good manners dictate that you do not speak to people in such a derogatory way, especially if you have power over them.  Most women do not like that language to be used.  Equality does not mean we are all the same, it means we have to have our fundamental rights be given equal consideration.  And we do have a right not to be exposed to crude and offensive language.  Its routine use today, yes in front of women and used by some women with vigour, coarsens our sensitivities and makes us less civilised.  Why celebrate life in the gutter.  We deserve better.  Moreover, real men should act courteously towards women at all times.  This is not demeaning to women.  It is respectful of them.

    • Graham S says:

      10:38am | 22/09/09

      I feel for Kevin. Imagine dealing with the thick-headed dross foistered upon him by the factions. If I had to continually deal with back-benchers who are generally unemployable union hacks, failed conveyencing lawyers & teachers or keen young things straight out of a local ALP office I’d be cutting loose with a few choice words in a language only they would understand. Maybe Bronwyn could sit in and pick up a few tips to pass on to her esteemed and popular leader

    • Old Clive says:

      11:25am | 22/09/09

      Ban all TV and Media advertising, get people to vote for their own candidates intead of political parties, it may make a difference.

    • Old Cobber says:

      11:31am | 22/09/09

      Quite right , Mother Superior Bishop. Fancy that cherub-faced Alter boy swearing in front of Sister Mary sharron Jackson !!  It’s enough to make one join the Plymoth Bretheren.

    • Jeff Mueller says:

      12:22pm | 22/09/09

      The glee with which a private conversation is being compared to the parliament ouldn’t have anything to do with the discussion being about the electoral allowance being cut, would it?  Given this was a case of the putsch coming to shove the PM to do what they wanted I’d say it was a fair fight.

    • Patrick says:

      12:40pm | 22/09/09

      I couldn’t give a flying F%$k if Rudd swears or not and I suspect most others don’t either. Plus, what the hell does it matter if they where Female or not? Must we protect ladies fragile minds from such nasty words?

    • acker says:

      12:40pm | 22/09/09

      Are the 2 Liberal Banal Ms Bishops going to take the Potty Mouthed Liberal Abbott to task over his recent liberal useage of the word “SHIT” to a young red haired lady who sits on the government front bench, who he made blush ?

    • Helen says:

      01:13pm | 22/09/09

      [Quote] berating his factional colleagues including females.
      [end quote} Bronwyn many women, including me, are completely fed up with people using “females” as a noun, as if we were some kind of interesting furry animal being studied by David Attenborough. I find this use of “females” much more offensive than the other f-word, unfortunately it’s on the rise among the language challenged.

      Speaking of which, Labor politicians do not have “cohorts”, they have “a cohort”. Cohort doesn’t have a plural as far as I know, at least in normal use. The liberals are always complaining about declining standards in English, maybe you should look to yourselves first.

    • Daniel says:

      01:18pm | 22/09/09

      Bronwyn I don’t think you can throw stones when you live in a glass house. Your side of politics is just as bad as Labor. You people are in it for all you can cream off the tax payers. I think that a bit of rough talk is always good in politics.  Bronwyn what policies does Barry O Farrell have for NSW though? how will he turn around NSW after Labor has been booted out in record numbers?

    • Brad Coward says:

      01:20pm | 22/09/09

      I would say that I have a good vocabulary and and fairly good grasp of my mother tongue, English.  I am even quite proficient at swearing in French.  Honestly, I don’t mind if Mr Rudd wishes to swear at his backbenchers.  For them, much like myself, it is probably the only time that they actually have a clue what the man is speaking about !  The things that Mr Rudd says in public get lost in the translation.  Why does every word that this man utters have to have six or more syllables ?  I mean to say…you almost need subtitles just to understand that the PM is wishing the nation a pleasant good day !

    • Gibbot says:

      01:25pm | 22/09/09

      It’s good to see Ms Bishop again concentrating on the really important issues. A fine example of why the Liberal party is doing so well in the polls.

      As for party funding - which party was it that raised the disclosure limit in 2005 & blocked the electoral reform bill in April of this year?

      Which party, while in Government broke all records for self promotion at taxpayer expense, including a fridge magnet campaign against civil liberties?

      Your hypocisy is breathtaking. How do you look in the mirror?

    • dude says:

      01:26pm | 22/09/09

      The inability of a mind that does not tollerate so call fool language is an indication of the sickness within that mind. The fact that it needs to be pointed out to them is also another signal to their small mindedness. it’s their own disgusting interpretations that should come under fire but then again it allows all to see the nastiness that lies within. Another rightard detection mode!

    • Andrew says:

      01:28pm | 22/09/09

      Come on now Bronnie, fair suck of the sauce bottle,  at least he can get his expletives correct!

    • RT says:

      01:28pm | 22/09/09

      If none of us were the intended recipient of the swearing what’s the problem? If you were a key party figure you’d expect to cop a bit of abuse from the leader every once in a while. If you never heard from him you’d worry that he didn’t care.

      While you’re here, Bronwyn, when are you going to announce your retirement from Parliament? At the next election would be good, your party needs you to go.

    • MC says:

      01:55pm | 22/09/09

      Why must you single out females, Bronwyn? Sexism is not an appropriate response to this issue.

      As a young female working at an underground coal mine I can attest to the fact that many men are just as offended as women at the use of swear words - it is not a gender specific hang-up. Equally, neither is the verbalisation of swear words gender specific; both sexes have a quite prolific vocabulary.

      Isn’t the issue that the use of swear words in such a setting is inappropriate? Regardless of who is listening?

    • AFR says:

      02:04pm | 22/09/09

      Why is swearing even an issue? My 2 year old niece dropped an F-bomb the other day, although I doubt she knew what it meant. Buggered if I know how she heard it - could have been anywhere, TV, the shops, my sister, why knows? Does that make her evil?

    • Bruce says:

      02:28pm | 22/09/09

      Remember, if you have to swear to get your point across, it is most probably because your loosing the real argument.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:56pm | 22/09/09

      I’m sure there’s a couple million Australians who’d like to tell a politician where to go…..

    • Michael says:

      03:17pm | 22/09/09

      It’s not a question of who ‘has’ the unions and who ‘has’ big business behind them financially, it’s who has the peoples’ votes. Howard and the Coalition were out of office in voters’ minds well before the election. You might say the government promotion of WorkChoices was the most effective anti-Coalition advertising expenditure of all - trying to pretty up a dead cat didn’t eliminate the smell. As to “potty mouths” - can we hear from anyone who’s been on the sharp end of one of Malcolm Turnbull’s rancorous phone calls lately? Or are their ears still to blistered?

    • acker says:

      04:03pm | 22/09/09

      I hope my comments haven’t offended you Bronnie, but I did have a more sinister ulterior motive for making them….....my mum used to tell me “that’s where you will be going young man” when you were starring in that show “Childrens Court” in the late 60’s…you have always kind of scared me ever since.

    • samantha says:

      04:47pm | 22/09/09

      Are we still in 1935? As it’s been said - you’re readers clearly are beyond this ‘men don’t swear in front of women thing’

      As a journalism student - I find the language used in the article to be just plain wrong - would you have written ‘rudd swore in front of a man?’ if you wouldn’t - then don’t write that he swore in front of a woman. It shows double standards and your opinion - something we don’t want to see.
      Journalism School 101!

    • Katherine says:

      04:48pm | 22/09/09

      I would be very surprised if this is the first time you’ve come across the f-bomb. I don’t like the idea that politicians are a different sort of being, morally superior to their constituents. They’re men and women, and sometimes “robust language” slips out.

    • RJB says:

      04:58pm | 22/09/09

      Like every other comment you make acker, wrong again. Bronwyn was in a show called Divorce Court.

    • acker says:

      07:56pm | 22/09/09

      RJB ...bit rich to throw out all my mainly uncontested assertions on the type of court Ms Bishop acted at the role of a Barrister. Divorce Court often involved children, and their was another show on in a similar time slot that dealt with children’s court…. I consider my comments are a lot closer to the mark than your opportunistic probably politically motivated amateur drive-by attempt of character assassinating my posts….
      I wish the Black & White Bronwyn Bishop could judge on this wink

    • acker says:

      07:57pm | 22/09/09

      RJB ...bit rich to throw out all my mainly uncontested assertions on the type of court Ms Bishop acted at the role of a Barrister. Divorce Court often involved children, and their was another show on in a similar time slot that dealt with children’s court…. I consider my comments are a lot closer to the mark than your opportunistic probably politically motivated amateur drive-by attempt of character assassinating my posts….
      I wish the Black & White Bronwyn Bishop could judge on this wink

    • regina says:

      09:37pm | 22/09/09

      oh c’mon bronnie. who the hell in australia uses the phrase ‘potty mouthed’?  that’s an american expression. 

      and if he is berating his factional colleagues then why the hell shouldn’t he include the ‘females’? let me guess ... because they should be treated like ‘ladies’?

    • pixikill says:

      02:43pm | 23/09/09

      pppppft.
      wtf, ppl?! W T F?

    • SteveB says:

      04:41pm | 23/09/09

      Ms Bishop I find it far less worrying that the PM (or any other politician for that matter) would swear during a private meeting with his collegues than I find a politician accusing a well respected expert a lier during a publicly broadcast senate enquiry just because the politician didn’t agree with his opinion. Perhaps that’s just me.

 

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