Osama is dead. What next?

Elphaba says:

01:27pm | 02/05/11

I wonder if voters will attribute this to a Republican Party victory, since it was a Republican president who initiated the war.

If I was a part of the Republican party, I’d be claiming it as a victory for them… I reckon both sides will be claiming it as their own.

John A Neve says:

01:47pm | 02/05/11

Dan,
Please tell us on what basis you have made your sick, sad comments?
You knew the man personally?
I would not wish any one a “very slow and painful death”.
Based on your post, I’d suggest the world would be better off without people like you.

Knemon says:

02:04pm | 02/05/11

@ Elphaba - That would be the most stupid comment I have ever read on Punch…well done.

Barry says:

02:06pm | 02/05/11

@John
I’m pretty sure there is probably more reason to wish a slow and painful death on Osama Bin Laden rather than suggest the world would be a better place without Dan.  Seriously, have you decided to enter into the world of trolling?  You can’t understand why someone thinks Osama Bin Laden deserves a slow and painful death?  Please . . . . .

Tony of Poorakistan says:

02:07pm | 02/05/11

John A Neve
 
You are kidding, right? Bin Laden personally plotted the death of thousands of innocent people. Yes, he deserved a slow, painful death. And frankly, I’d bury him sewn up in a pigskin and throw the carcass on top of him.

JT says:

02:11pm | 02/05/11

Good bloody riddance, and stop being pathetic John A Neve. Some people deserve to die, simple as that. He was one of them.

Jay Santos says:

02:12pm | 02/05/11

John A Neve,

The family and friends of the 2,977 innocent civilians killed on September 11 2001 thank-you for your understanding in sharing in their grief and sense of closure at this time.

Septimus says:

02:13pm | 02/05/11

Brilliant JAN…

Any irony in calling Dan ‘sick and sad’ and then suggesting the world would be better off without him.

Miss you medication today did we?

TracyH says:

02:14pm | 02/05/11

john a neve: Dan might be a bit overenthusiastic in his response, but I hardly think there’s a need to say what you did…I mean, really…to say the world would be better off without him is no better than what Dan said to start with…hypocrite.

Adam says:

02:18pm | 02/05/11

@ John - Your comment of “You knew the man personally?” as if that somehow means Dan cannot make a accurate judgement of Bin Laden’s character screams irony as you then go on to call Dan sick, sad and saying the world would be off without him.

I think it time to grow up and realise it is easy to make judgements about the character of those you don’t know personally. Dan called Bin Laden a hypocrite. I’ve never met you but I could accurately say you are one too based on your comments. See, it is easy.

P.S. I applaud the military victories of our allies! It is good to see another threat to our way of life dead. No, let’s get to work killing the rest of Bin Ladens extremist followers.

John A Neve says:

02:37pm | 02/05/11

To Barry, Tony, JT, Jay and Septimus,

If Osama Bin Laden was responsible for all the thing bestowed on him, he’d be a genius. Unlike you, I don’t believe all I read in the mass media.

I stand by my comment, based on his post, the world could well do without Dan and those like him.

Elphaba says:

02:40pm | 02/05/11

@Knemon - if the opinion of a Greens supporter mattered to me, I’d be a bit more cut up.  Unfortunately, your lot wrote the book on stupid, so I’m not too concerned what you think of me.

John A Neve says:

02:42pm | 02/05/11

Adam,
Sorry I missed you in my last post. You will of course note all the issues mentioned by you, were in fact raised by Dan.

I after all was only responding to his post, but maybe you and Dan have a lot in common?

Septimus says:

03:02pm | 02/05/11

Likewise, the world would be better off with you JAN and your nutcase view of the world.

Barry says:

03:06pm | 02/05/11

@John
Ridiculous response.  Yes, I also don’t believe everything I hear from the mass media.  I don’t believe Bin Laden should be given all the credit regarding 9/11, but there is reasonable evidence that he had a fair bit to do with it.  Yes, whoever conducted 9/11 is a genius, whether it be a terrorist sitting a desert, or which is seems you may be implying, a bunch of Americans sitting in the White House.  If you are implying that 9/11 was a false flag operation by Americans or was conducted by someone other than the presumed terrorists, please supply some substantial evidence.  Regardless, though you still are a silly hypocrite.

Thomas Anderson says:

03:08pm | 02/05/11

Let us focus on the deaths of 3000 US civilians and forget about the thousands of Afghani, Iraqi and Libyan civilians that died since. Let us celebrate death and feel pride over a killing of a man and his family.

I think what Osama and his comrades did is horrible, but I also think the same of what the USA has done since, and almost the same of the people who rejoice in these news.

JT says:

03:16pm | 02/05/11

So John A Neve is a truther…This explains a lot when you think about it. Only a loon could hold the opinions John A has expressed on this blog.

Mahhrat says:

03:24pm | 02/05/11

@Dan, nobody deserves a slow and painful death, that affords the man more glory than he deserves.

He is dead, we should simply dispose of his body and move on.  It is only through paying attention to him that we validate him.  Like all evil, he should simply be countered, and once dealt with, ignored.

Rick says:

03:26pm | 02/05/11

your not an expert on anything….............exept maybe goobling up everything the properganda machien spuse out

Elphaba says:

03:28pm | 02/05/11

@Thomas Anderson, I didn’t lose anyone in 9/11, nor have I lost anyone in Afghanistan and Iraq.  I’m sure that if I did, I would howl for blood.

But… I agree with you.  The jubilant displays I’m watching right now on the news make me feel a little ill.  Not sure why, but they just do.

Rick says:

03:34pm | 02/05/11

Tony of Poorasistan….......and how do you know that?......By listening to the same people that said there were WMD’s in Iraq?...of corse…....more lies…...1,000,000 dead Iraqis.

Rick says:

03:39pm | 02/05/11

Barry ........evidense….......dead men tell no tales

Rick says:

03:39pm | 02/05/11

Barry ........evidense….......dead men tell no tales

NEFFA says:

03:47pm | 02/05/11

I’m with John. Osama has never been given his day in court. All we have to go in is the propaganda we have been fed by the US government. For all any of us know he could be completely innocent.

The fact is after the 9/11 attacks the american population were so baying for blood and dubya needed to throw them someone. I think they just drew a name out of a hat and Osama was it.

John A Neve says:

03:55pm | 02/05/11

Septimus, Barry and JT,

Any thinking person reading the posts on this topic would know who does the name calling and who lives in fairy land. Do you boys play follow the leader?

Barry says:

04:27pm | 02/05/11

Name-calling?  John you have to be kidding.  Please go and read your first post again.  The only thing I have called you is a silly hypocrite which still stands.  You attacked Dan for his comments on Osama, while at the same time doing the exact same thing, if not worse.  You suggested the world would be better off without Dan based off one post he made.  Atleast what Dan said was based off reasonable evidence that Osama played a part in 9/11.  You could make more accurate assumptions about Osama’s character than you could about Dan’s.  Any thinking person would see what you said to Dan in your first post was hypocritical, and that was the main thing you got called out on.  Regardless, you seem to be implying that due to my opinions on what occurred on 9/11 I live in fairy land, why don’t you prove it?

Richard says:

05:03pm | 02/05/11

For the conventional 9/11 conspiracy to be in any way true, you would have to explain, amongst many other things, how immutable physical constants were temporarily nullified, ditto the entire US air defence system (and let us not forget the various convenient coincident drills that depleted air cover over the Pentagon) and the failure of (reportedly extensive) AA missile defences that ring the Pentagon, neophyte pilots flying better than highly trained and experienced military pilots, the absence of plausible debris at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania, the convenient way Atta’s passport survived an Avgas fireball to be found on the pavement, intact (!!!!! WTF???) ..etc etc..
And all by a bloke in a cave in Afganistan. Wow…
And who benefits?
The Neocons and their puppet masters in Israel. Certainly NOt the US and its people.
Bin Laden,  incidentally, was never on the FBI’s list for this particular event, for lack of proof.
You really should exercise your brains and intelligence more.

John A Neve says:

05:33pm | 02/05/11

Barry,
Yes, I criticized Dan for his sick comments. No where did he provide any
“reasonable evidence”, in fact he provided no eveidence at all!

As to name calling, try reading the post of your playmates again Barry.
As to my exact comment, I suggested the world, based on his comments, would be better off without him. I did not suggest “he died a very slow and painful death”.
Call it a day Barry, you are starting to sound even more silly every post you make.

Al says:

08:39pm | 02/05/11

Richard:

You have seen far, far too many movies and it seems you are confusing fiction with reality. The US is guilty of many things, including the support of people like Bin Laden in his early days in the 1980s. But if you think they plotted to have such a massive terrorist attack on US soil, then get Bin Laden to claim responsibility to it (I suppose you think they paid Bin Laden for that) you are completely off your rocker.

The majority of people with a healthy dose of common sense would welcome the demise of Bin Laden. Even if only some of the atrocities attributed to him are true, the world is a much better place without him. I can understand the sentiment of people hoping it was a “slow and painful death”, although I was hoping they could catch him alive and put him on trial. That way, people such as you, Barry, would stop making these ridiculous accusations that Osama is basically a good guy and it’s all the fault of oppressive western governments.

PC says:

09:02pm | 02/05/11

Added to the 2,997 innocent civilians taken on 9/11, lets not forget the several hundreds of thousands of equally innocent Iraquis and Afghans who have lost their lives to this point in the war on terror, so that we might exact our vengeance. Christians do not rejoice in death, period. It is a sorry saga, ended. Save Jesus Christ, I might not have believed the World could be changed by a single man. Osama bin Laden proved to me it could. Make less of this man, you are manufacturing a monster, in life and death.
PS. Who is the man held prisoner in America, who is to be tried for masterminding the 9/11 attacks? Will this now be declared a mistrial? Or was Osama bin Laden the face we pinned to the heinous attack, for the lack of another? For the purpose of galvanising hatred, and validating war by popular mandate. A war without a target is not.

Macon Paine says:

09:19pm | 02/05/11

I have to agree with everything Dan said except for the part about Bin Laden dying slowly and painfully.
Perhaps what Dan was trying to say (but said inelegantly) was that Bin Laden deserves to die a slow and painfull death for the horrors he has inflicted but it would be inappropriate for us to inflict this upon him.

“If Osama Bin Laden was responsible for all the thing bestowed on him, he’d be a genius. Unlike you, I don’t believe all I read in the mass media.”

LOL @ John A Neve displaying 9/11 trutherism.

Yeah John everyone knows the best places to get the truth are InfoWars, whatreallyhappened.com and Rawstory!

C’mon people he’s taken to trolling, don’t take the bait, he’s not stupid enough to actually believe that crap.

Well done John you got a few people to take the bait.

Al says:

10:18pm | 02/05/11

Hmmm… apologies to Barry I mentioned in my last post, what I meant to say was “people such as you, Richard”.

Septimus says:

04:25am | 03/05/11

PC,

Perhaps he wasn’t listed as the mastermind of the 9/11 incident because he wasn’t.

Perhaps he was killed as the leader of a worldwide terrorist group.

People overthink these things, add their own beliefs and then portray them as truth.

Richard says:

08:44pm | 03/05/11

Al
You have avoided the difficult answers, haven’t you?
Bin Laden never claimed responsibility, the convenient ‘confession’ tape is a fraud.
He has said many times he had nothing to do with 9/11.
Do you remember that The Taliban offered in Oct 2001 to give him up to the US if they could prove his involvement? They could not and all Monkey Boy said was “we know he did it” .. 9/11 have never been mentioned on the FBI Most Wanted site for Bin Laden.
Is that not odd? Why would that be, do you think?

Al says:

11:08pm | 03/05/11

Richard:

Although initially denying involvement, OBL claimed responsibility in a video tape in 2004. Of course you would claim the tape was a fabrication. Do you have anything to back up your claim other than conspiracy theories?

To be honest, I can understand the speculations that the tape was a fraud. This is certainly plausible, although the fact that OBL did not come out to denounce this as a fake seems to indicate the tape was genuine. I cannot accept, however, the wild theory that US agencies were behind the planning and execution of 9/11. This is just ludicrous. The amount of planning and the number of personnel involved would essentially guarantee that this secret operation will become public knowledge before too long.

fairsfair says:

01:31pm | 02/05/11

I have that uneasy feeling to Matt.

hugh says:

01:43pm | 02/05/11

harden up…. this is a fantastic thing

Fi says:

02:45pm | 02/05/11

Hugh, you must realise that terrorist organisations do not react well to their leaders being killed?

fairsfair says:

02:58pm | 02/05/11

Oh don’t get me wrong, I am glad he is dead and that is a good thing - but do you think they guy who has already taken his spot is going to say “lets let them enjoy this” while pictures of his body are paraded like a trophy and the Americans stand around beating their chests? Me thinks the next few weeks are going to be pretty colourful.

Eskimo says:

02:29pm | 02/05/11

I understand they are going old school and will be putting the head on a spike outside the White House.

Elephantitis says:

02:30pm | 02/05/11

Because pics are always the truth.
Bet you get your climate change news form the dolt.

Elphaba says:

02:41pm | 02/05/11

@Eskimo, probably. 

Elphaba says:

02:47pm | 02/05/11

@Elephantitis, get a grip - it’s a JOKE.

The haters are out in force today. 

Paulb says:

03:08pm | 02/05/11

You are right Elphaba.  Pics or its just a story.  The Americans have such a fine track record for telling the truth, I’d be hard pressed to believe them without DNA evidence, preferably from a Swiss lab.  Obviously its time for Obama to hit the fund-raising trail.  This is the last time they’ll be able to use the Bin Laden canard though.

Rick says:

03:46pm | 02/05/11

What so you think they have his DNA on file?.............you lot are just unbeleivable….......They can say anything they like and you lap it up….....WHAT ABOUT THE LIES?.........I give up

Bengeck says:

03:12pm | 03/05/11

@Rick.
They do in fact have his DNA on file. His Son goes/went to school in the USA. His Daughter is a model who does work in the usa and around the world. and when he was working/trained by the CIA. took blood samples. the USA has stated in the past that they have his DNA, so no one can try and pass off a false body as his.

Tony of Poorakistan says:

02:05pm | 02/05/11

I think we made a mistake with that Habib character. This is what he had to say: 
 
‘“What, you think with Osama bin Laden dying there won’t be war any more?

“There is no evidence he was a terrorist.”

They should have left him locked up.

The Redman says:

03:15pm | 02/05/11

Well, Habib is right. If you think bin Laden’s death means the end of al-Qaeda and of the war, you are deluding yourself.

But I bet the American’s are very glad he’s dead, and not for the obvious reason of revenge. Like Hussain, it would have been very interesting to know the level of support bin Laden received from the US during the 1980’s. I guess we’ll never know.

Anyway, I guess that’s one more mess that had to be cleaned up after a catastrophic decade of neocon rule.

Sad Sad Reality says:

01:40pm | 02/05/11

Close.

The real problem is Islam. There is no such thing as radical Islam. There are people that abide by the Koran to the letter and people who don’t. The people who don’t are no more Muslim than you or I, no matter what they may profess.

Naverly Klitgaard says:

01:43pm | 02/05/11

Yes, and congratulations to the troops’ Commander in Chief, eh, Erick?

Really Really Sad says:

02:00pm | 02/05/11

@SSR, does the same principle apply to the Christian bible in your mad, mad reality? It should, of course, which means only the very few lunatics who follow the bible “to the letter” are Christians.

What a sad, sad fool you are.

SimpleSimon says:

02:13pm | 02/05/11

SSR - You are wrong. Radical Islam ignores the majority of the Koran, which speaks of love and respect and harmony among Religions. Islamic Extremists are no more representative of Islam than the Black-burning rednecks of the US South were to the Catholic Church. Just because they claim it as Religious does not mean it is a true representation of the teachings of that Religion.

Ripa says:

02:21pm | 02/05/11

@Really Really Sad
please take your prozac and STFU.

Old Man Emu says:

02:28pm | 02/05/11

SimpleSimon - the black-burning rednecks you refer to weren’t Catholic, in fact, the KKK also preached the extermination of Catholics. It is the Baptists you are looking to hit in your comment.

Really Really Sad says:

02:51pm | 02/05/11

@Ripa

Your point?

No, seriously, what is the point of your comment. As it stands, it just looks really stupid, childish and aimless. If you suggest I sedate myself and STFU you could at least have the decency to relate WHY I should do that.

Back to you, Ripa.

Sad Sad Reality says:

03:07pm | 02/05/11

@RRS, yes. Exactly the same. If the Bible is the literal word of God, it is un-Christian to ignore or deny any part of it. Which makes almost all “religious” people hypocrites and liars. If you cherry pick the word of God, do you really believe it is the word of God? AKA most ‘supposedly’ religious people are dishonest and the ones that aren’t are dangerous.

@SS. No it doesn’t. It just doesn’t ignore the bloodthirsty passages like the moderates do. Tell me, if Islam is the religion of peace, why is every Islamic ruled country a barbaric and violent place? If it s just a small group of extremists like the KKK, why do the majority of moderates not speak out against them like the average church leader will to the KKK? If it is just a small group of extremists, explain Hamas.

@Ripa. Truth hurts.

Ripa says:

03:32pm | 02/05/11

@RRS
It was not Christians who flew jets into the WTC, OBL is not a Christian, you do not criticise the act that was clearly carried out by radicals, do you believe that America deserved what happened on 9/11?

Rick says:

03:55pm | 02/05/11

Yes Erick well done to the troops who got him….......it only cost the lives of 1,00,000 Iraqis and god knows how many Afgans….........god only knows because nobody in the government will let that little number slip.

The Redman says:

04:02pm | 02/05/11

I agree with your synopsis regarding religion generally, Sad, but I believe that Hamas is more of a political organisation than a religious one. Yes, they call on Allah at times to support their cause (as many other countries do with their god - Obama finished his speech with “...and may god bless America”, as he’s obliged to do. I don’t think Hamas is anything like al-Qaeda. Hamas does not appear to carry out any attacks outside what it considers to be it’s own country, that is Israel.

Now, I don’t particularly want to get into a discussion about the merits of Israel, but Hamas is a political organisation with a political agenda to wipe the nation of Israel from the map and return the land to who they perseve to be the owners; Palestinian’s - which I happen to agree with, although not necessarily the method.

Jon says:

04:25pm | 02/05/11

This is great news! It may slow down the Islamism for a while but the Mohammedan political movement he managed to reboot doesn’t need him any more.

Sad Sad Reality says:

04:33pm | 02/05/11

@The Redman. Hamas is more an Islamic terrorist organisation than anything else. It sponsors suicide bombings and religious schools. I think Hamas is very much like, and supportive of, al-Qaeda. They are not merely for a Muslim dominated Israel but also for a Muslim dominated world. What do you think they’ll do if they destroy Israel, stop there are say that’s enough? Please.

Really Really Sad says:

07:34pm | 02/05/11

@Ripa,

So I post a comment taking issue SSR’s ridiculous statement that only the most blindly dogmatic Muslims or Christians can claim to be practitioners of the faith (and everyone else is a fraud) then you suggest I take prozac (prozac!? Have you just awoken from a 20 year coma?) and STFU.

I, not unreasonably I think, ask you WTF your point is and you come back with a profoundly insightful observation that it wasn’t Christians who executed 9/11, that OBL wasn’t a Christian, that it was “radicals” (what’s up Ripa, too scared to write Muslim?) who did it and ask me a totally out of the blue trolling question.

Whatever is percolating in your brain needs to be expressed in a more coherent manner if don’t want to be dismissed someone whose brains have been fried by prozac or something.

zen says:

11:46pm | 02/05/11

Now they should go after the worlds 2nd biggest killer (terrorist) Bush

zen says:

11:51pm | 02/05/11

radical Islam and right wing christians both as bad as each other when u look thru historys records for war an killings

Matt says:

02:03am | 03/05/11

@ sad sad reality, the middle east as a whole not in conflict and turmoil, to the contrary Dubai is a flourishing metropolosis, full of wealth that is truely astonishing, while Turkey, cyrpus and parts of isreal (except the gaza strip) are also quite stable.

Further too, assume that every word in the bible or Koran is direct preaching from god is uncomprehensible as the catalyst for these writings were humans, thus it would be foolish to take every preaching as literal. While there may be those that do, this is not the majority nor should it be, we are blessed with the intelligence of interprepation, if God exists, this is a gift he has provided for us to use.

Continueing, to associate terrorism with religion is wrong, the Koran does not direct mass murder!! Rather, the current conflicts in the middle east appear to be fueled by the push to sell weapons and drugs, the need to keep oil prices stable and localised policital unrest stemming from hundreds of years. In which the Islam extremist are a subset of these reasons or unfortunately under the belief that they are fighting for Allah (but not Islam!!!)

Following, to persecute a religion is also wrong, you are victimising a subpopulation of people, creating hate and angst, thus precipating an us vs them mentalit, thus fuelling the possibility of a religous war as those persecuted rightfully bite back.

If your ever unfortunate to experience the devastation of war, you will gain an understanding of true fear and torment.

This should not be promoted. Don’t declare war on religion

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:39am | 03/05/11

Matt. What a load of crap. The Middle East is ridiculously unstable.

Dubai is a sad plastic copy of a Western metropolis and the minute that last drop of oil is sucked from the land, it will become the biggest white elephant in history.

Let me make this clear. Every society that is dominated by Islam is backward, barbaric and pathetic across the board from literacy to infant mortality. If there’s one thing every clear thinking person can do it is join the dots. Islam = lower standard of living.

Rick says:

04:00pm | 02/05/11

You are John….......and they know where you live.

john says:

07:25pm | 02/05/11

@Rick ...lol…don’t be so complacently smug,  some of those fruit loops have nukes now, your backside might be toast too if one of them want to lash out.  They don’t need planes to fly into buildings to make a point anymore.

Rick says:

09:58pm | 02/05/11

John, the fuit loops have had the nukes all along and their the only ones who have ever used them

john says:

09:12am | 03/05/11

@Rick, point taken, however that was then this is now.

Brasil says:

07:26pm | 02/05/11

It wasn’t an assassination. He was killed in a firefight. Do keep up.

Rick says:

10:30pm | 02/05/11

brasil silly….....oh so its not assasination if you try and fight back then?

MarK says:

01:44am | 03/05/11

Oh I have kept up.

Perhaps it is you that is sort of struggling? Hmmm?

Explain what US special forces were doing in Pakistan at that particular house?

What was that? They stopped and asked for a cup of sugar and bugger me if it wasn’t Osama. Well asking him to give up nicely didn’t work and harsh language failed to deter him so they reluctantly decided to shoot him.

Damn bad luck there chaps.

Naïve does not begin to describe you.

john says:

02:26pm | 02/05/11

@Tim “we all really know he’s still alive, living in California in a CIA mansion.”

....the chasers osama at it again? wasn’t osama seen in a limo in sydney some years back?

Tom says:

03:05pm | 03/05/11

john, I saw that limo too and I am sure Elvis was sitting in it with them. Beats me what they were doing in Sydney though.

Rover of North Cooma says:

03:12pm | 02/05/11

What part did we play in his capture?
I’m glad he’s gone, but I think this is an overstretch.

Paulb says:

03:13pm | 02/05/11

Good to see Mr Murdoch and his Zio-media friends have successfully constructed your reality Rosie, although the same could be said for so many of you swallowing this bad theater uncritically and baying for blood like the good non-Muslims that you all are.

Chris L says:

03:27pm | 02/05/11

You must be even more excited that this monster died in Abbottabad! Just raises pictures of a skinny, hairy man in budgie smugglers holding an M16 saying “This is for those big, new attacks on everything!”.

Rosie says:

03:59pm | 02/05/11

For once I have to agree with what Julia Gillard is saying on TV. Australia is an ally to the US. Innocent Australians have died because of the acts of terrorism masterminded by Al Qaeda.

Each to their own so respect your opinions and let you respect mine. Like George Bush said it is a momentous achievement well worth being happy about.

zen says:

11:56pm | 02/05/11

thats a job for the chaser (but they may ban showing it on telly

TheRealDave says:

02:51pm | 02/05/11

Your forgetting about Mullah Omar aren’t you?

St. Michael says:

02:53pm | 02/05/11

If only there was someone in the US administration with the balls to do it.

Sad Sad Reality says:

01:54pm | 02/05/11

Yeah, national pride should be suppressed so as not to annoy terrorists. That sounds logical.

John says:

02:30pm | 02/05/11

AFR how many muslim nations celebrated 911. Short memory ay

AFR says:

02:42pm | 02/05/11

I’m not suggesting life is fair and just, but how is celebrating the murder of Bin Laden a decade late really going to help anything?

Sad Sad Reality says:

03:15pm | 02/05/11

People aren’t robots AFR. If you can’t celebrate the death of someone who was pure evil, what can you celebrate?

Rick says:

04:09pm | 02/05/11

Yes it reminds me of those brave Americans on US war ships at the start of the Iraq war cheering as they bravely fired tomahawk and cruse missile at target hundreds of kilometres away USA USA USA…....well it keeps them happy for a while.

LC says:

07:18pm | 02/05/11

I"m pretty sure that those terrorists cells were somehow quite inspired to attack westerners anyway…

john says:

07:35pm | 02/05/11

@AFR all that has been accomplished in killing osama is that it has up the ante.

Now we all wait and see what al qaeda or other crackpots throw back at the west, it might be tomorrow or in a year or 2 ahead. Stay tuned it wont be pretty.

IMHO it would have been better to let him hide and let them think they’re winning and let the drones mop up the rest year after year. You know the old confucius saying, ” before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.”

Problem now is if you dont kill all the radicals they will come to get their revenge, the cycle of violence continues…....

lowiqu says:

07:54pm | 02/05/11

poor John
Do you think the terrorists would have magically stopped being terrorists if bin laden was still alive?
logic of a 12 year old girl.

john says:

09:15am | 03/05/11

@lowiqu lol you didn’t even understand what I wrote. Someone didn’t learn anything at school.

Liam says:

03:42pm | 02/05/11

Jackie, i think yours is the only sane comment here

jag says:

02:09pm | 02/05/11

US atrocities committed in Libya

That didn’t take long.

Maybe NATO should pull out and all will be peaceful again.

Barry says:

02:13pm | 02/05/11

It’s not a Christian country, it is a secular nation.  Therefore, it is completely understandable since all secular people are murderous bastards, who love to get revenge and kill stuff.

TChong says:

02:16pm | 02/05/11

My thoughts too TA. The US /UK directed NATO has just being caught out dliberately killing Gaddafis relatives, amongst others -( now all are targets), that was a PR disaster, so what better way to control the damage?
Release this story, now.

Thomas Anderson says:

03:42pm | 02/05/11

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

Seems to suggest the USA is at least a country that believes in God, and I don’t think they mean Zeus or Vishnu…

TimB says:

01:55pm | 02/05/11

“A decade of regional instability”?

Is that all, only a decade? Seems to me the Middle East has been a mess for a bit longer than that, but what do I know….

Super D says:

01:55pm | 02/05/11

Worth every cent.

Erick says:

02:08pm | 02/05/11

It’s naive to think everything was about “getting” bin Laden. He’s just one terrorist out of thousands.

Shane From Melbourne says:

02:55pm | 02/05/11

Official US policy in the aftermath of 9/11 was to “get” Osama. There were over objectives of course, such as closing Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and eliminating their leadership cadre both there and in places like the Sudan, but I’d say getting Osama was pretty high in US objectives…..

Derka Derka says:

10:45pm | 02/05/11

I need a montage!

Erick says:

02:20pm | 02/05/11

What’s changed, Seano, is that now he is known to be dead. Do try to keep up.

Seano says:

03:00pm | 02/05/11

Well thank you captain obvious.

As simple comments are clearly beyond you, I’ll draw you a picture. I recently read a number of articles that suggested that Bin Laden had been dead since about 2002. Then all of a sudden we hear that not only has he been killed by US operatives but that they have DNA proof. That’s a big jump in the accepted reality.

But next time I need someone to restate the bleedin obvious I’ll let you know.

TimB says:

03:42pm | 02/05/11

“But next time I need someone to restate the bleedin obvious I’ll let you know. “

“So I wonder what’s changed”

How odd.  See I thought, (as Erick clearly did), that your stupid question *was* a cry for the bleeding obvious to be explained.
If it wasn’t, please refrain from asking stupid questions. They don’t reflect well on that image of an intelligent person you’re trying to project.

In the meantime, if you want a more pertinent question to ask, I suggest you direct one at the authors of the articles you read.

Namely this question: What evidence did they have to believe Osama to be already dead, and *if* they had none, then why did they keep pushing the conspiracy theory?

Erick says:

03:55pm | 02/05/11

Well, Seano, you may have read some articles. From somewhere.

But the fact is that the US government has never claimed to have killed bin Laden. Until now. And they say they have both the body, and DNA proof.

So you might like to rely on your “articles”, but the rest of us will be content with authenticated facts.

Seano says:

03:59pm | 02/05/11

How surprising that my own personal little troll has to chip I’m not interested in your troll comments boy.

The articles I was reading where on reputable news sites and quoting publicly available intelligence information.

The Redman says:

04:11pm | 02/05/11

Erick, you’re a conservative mouthpiece. Since when do facts get in the way or your opinions? The US claims to have the body. I believe that is the case. I believe they could have probably captured him. They just didn’t want to. Just as Saddam Hussain was quickly and summarily executed, the US doesn’t want anyone to know the level of American collusion in the elevation and success of both of these men.

Seano says:

04:20pm | 02/05/11

“Well, Seano, you may have read some articles. From somewhere.”

Well I did say “suspected” and it wasn’t just me champ, Benazir Bhutto thought he was dead.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8120236576648647371#

There was a lot of information and misiformation out there but considering the trail for the bloke had gone stone cold and they couldn’t find him for 10 years it’s not unreasonable to accept reports that the reports he was dead could be true.

And lets honest before today and this attempt to be a smug you had SFA idea about whether he was really alive or dead just the same as everyone else.

What I found interesting was how the situation changed so quickly from them having no idea where Bin Laden is and him possibly dead to not only found but a confirmed kill.

But of course this perfectly reasonable comment/question has been lost in conservatives stumbling over themselves to make pricks of themselves. Quelle surprise.

Rick says:

04:37pm | 02/05/11

So Erick are the authenticated facts from the same sorce that gave us the hidden bunker that Sadam was housed in with the WMD’s…...................more lies

TimB says:

05:49pm | 02/05/11

Seano, Seano, Seano. Tsk. 

For the good of your own sanity, please try to comprehend:

You aren’t special. You’ve never been special. You’d be lucky if you were the target of even 5% of my posts (a very generous estimate). You’re just one of many silly lefties who’s stupid posts I enjoy picking apart. If you don’t wan’t me to do it any more, then stop posting said stupid things.

You do realise it’s just not healthy to continuously inhabit your realm of fantasy right? The real world beckons.

Now onto said stupid post:

Of course we had no idea if he was alive or dead. No-one is claiming otherwise.  As you say the reports have been ambigious.

“What I found interesting was how the situation changed so quickly from them having no idea where Bin Laden is and him possibly dead to not only found but a confirmed kill.”

Because they clearly *know* they have him now. The ambiguity has been removed. That’s why the situation has changed so suddenly. Surely it’s not that hard a concept to understand.

Unless of course you believe that we’re all part of some enormous conspiracy theory-esque hoax.

Seano says:

06:42pm | 02/05/11

Of course I’m special moron. If I’d posted this under a different name you would never have come in with your snide and trolling comments. I am after all the centre of your universe.

TimB says:

08:17pm | 02/05/11

Alright Seano. You win. You’re just as special as Badger, Acotrel, John A Neve and all your other fellow brain-cell deprived lefties.

Do you feel better now? Validated? Good boy. Off you go.

Seano says:

09:30pm | 02/05/11

My two points stand.

1. It was amazing that Bin Laden went from a 10 year old stone cold dead trail and quite possibly dead to found, caught, killed and confirmed dead in the course of one day.

2. That you are a moron who would not have said boo if i’d made that comment under another handle. Your silly, childish personal vendetta continues. Yet again demonstrating that I am the centre of your universe and therefore you are one sad, petty, small minded and none too bright dude.

Ryan says:

12:35pm | 03/05/11

@Seano: the real key to this theory is the big question why? If he was dead already, why would they play this card now, what is there to gain?

Seano says:

02:43pm | 03/05/11

@Ryan - I am not claiming any conspiracy at all. I completely accept that they got him. I don’t see any reason to doubt the photo’s and DNA evidence that I am sure will be released to confirm the kill for even the biggest doubters (loons excluded of course).

I’m just amazed that this man who has been a virtual ghost for 10 years can be caught and removed so quickly, effectively and without anyone in the world during this information age getting wind of what was happening.

If anything it raises the question, why did it take so long?  Because getting Bin Laden was always going to be a big win and a big boast political for who ever was president at the time.

Ryan says:

02:34pm | 02/05/11

Thats not a nice thing to say about Obama!

Ben81 says:

02:14pm | 02/05/11

How do you know the government of Pakistan didn’t assist in finding him?

Erick says:

02:18pm | 02/05/11

Haha, I just saw that too.

It’s all Abbott’s fault!

Adam says:

06:09pm | 02/05/11

Hahaha - Wait, is it too soon to start making jokes? Nah, never!

You hear what they are putting on Osama Bin Ladens gravestone?

World hide and seek champion 2001-2011.

Robbie says:

10:46pm | 02/05/11

What’s more, the suffix “abad” means ‘place’ in Persian. So this whole time he was hiding out at Abbotplace this whole time!

papachango says:

03:28pm | 02/05/11

Agree - they should do the same thing the Israelis did to the Nazi mastermind Adolf Eichmann when they got him. Burn him quickly , scatter the ashes at sea, then move on.

Perry says:

02:14pm | 02/05/11

I reckon they would have planned and organised something in retaliation if this ever occurred. Frightening.

Chris L says:

03:45pm | 02/05/11

There was already a suicide bombing by a twelve year old less than a day ago. Can it get any more nasty and disgusting?

Robbie says:

10:48pm | 02/05/11

@ChrisL
Case in point-
That bombing was before this all happened.

Cry in my Gin says:

03:49pm | 02/05/11

Bravo!!!

Barry says:

02:17pm | 02/05/11

I was waiting for our first 9/11 nut to show up.  It was all a set-up and false flag operation done by either America, or da Jooz, depending on who you hate more!

Ricky Ricardo says:

03:18pm | 02/05/11

Barry, I don’t hate the Jews. That’s a very serious allegation you’re making. And I also take exception to being called a nut. I don’t understand “mainstream” society’s decision to so wholeheartedly believe what the government tells them, you included. The evidence that supposedly places blame for 9/11 on Al Qaeda is false. Bush had his eye on the Middle Eastern oil for a very long time, he got his CIA buddies onto it and next thing we know, Osama Bin Laden is the world’s most hated terrorist.

I’m not denying that terrorists were responsible for 9/11, but Bin Laden has been unfairly targeted as the mastermind behind these attacks. He did NOT initiate these unfortunate events. For all we know, it could just be the Afghan Jihad who masterminded and started the 9/11 attacks. and who was responsible for the acceleration of that groups “membership”? None other than the CIA Chief, William Casey back in 1986, when he committed the CIA to recruiting members for the Afghan Jihad. They could well have been impaled on their own sword.

papachango says:

03:32pm | 02/05/11

Ricardo - I was going to reply that you’re clearly having a lend, but your followup suggests you’re actually serious.

You do realise that Bin Laden admittted planning 9/11 on video, don’t you? or are you loopy enough to think the OBL videos are made up?

Sammy says:

03:51pm | 02/05/11

Ricky, seriously wtf are you talking about?  There is mountains of evidence that Osama was behing sep 11, including the fact that he has personally claimed responsibility for it. There is also mountains of evidence of Osama’s responsibility for other major terrorist attacks in Kenya, Tanzania and Yemen prior to sep 11, not to mention the assassination of Ahmed Shah Masoud 2 days before sep 11. You are either taking the piss, or like most conspiracy theorist nutters are so intellectually impoverished that you can’t grasp simple objective facts in front of you.

Rick says:

04:54pm | 02/05/11

Never let the facts get in the way of a good assasination…..........truth and justice for all…............in the form of a bullet.

LC says:

07:48pm | 02/05/11

Gimme some of that your smoking, Ricky. It might alleviate my backache

LittleLisa says:

10:01pm | 02/05/11

Interesting that the FBI’s own website has no mention of 9/11 in Bin Laden’s list of crimes he’s connected to -

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

Barry says:

02:18pm | 02/05/11

@John
9/11 was the work of explosives?  Prove it.

Davo says:

02:22pm | 02/05/11

I am going to mark this as #1 in the millions of conspiracy theories that will occur as a result of this news.

A little crude perhaps (a frozen Osama thawed when politically expedient), but I think this will form the basis for the theories of your fellow whackos.

Well done, sir.

Naverly Klitgaard says:

02:38pm | 02/05/11

John is fake. “John” is not the poster’s real name. This comment was pulled out of the filing cabinet when the time was convenient. “John” is not the author of this comment, expert conspiracy nutters composed this comment. The conspiracy machine is now hard at work, pushing up their image as they are now look even more ridiculous than they ever have.

John says:

02:42pm | 02/05/11

Barry Watch WTC 7 Collapse. Just keep in mind no plane hit it.

Fantastico says:

03:06pm | 02/05/11

Next you’ll be telling us the science isn’t settled and AGW isn’t real.
gotta love these rightard morons.

Rover of North Cooma says:

03:24pm | 02/05/11

Over on the birth certificate post, John claims they used termite explosives. I think he was joking when he said special termites that eat concrete, but I’m really not sure.

m says:

03:26pm | 02/05/11

Fantastico didn’t you get the memo?

Shame.

Still, time will out mosy fantasies.

Barry says:

03:26pm | 02/05/11

@Fantastic I think you’ll find it’s probably the lefties who may lean more towards 9/11 theories.  Right-wing conservatives usually lack the hatred of America that lefties possess.

@John
Watching the collapse of WTC 7 proves nothing.  No, planes didn’t hit it, but two 110 story buildings collapsed in close proximity to it, and we have video proof that damage occurred.  Not only had debris damaged many stories of the WTC 7 building, multiple fires also burned throughout the building with no attempts to control them.  The NIST concluded that enough damage was sustained upon multiple floors, with the presence of the fire to cause more structural weakness to explain the collapse.

Chris L says:

04:11pm | 02/05/11

That’s right Barry. Right wingers are into more likely conspiracies such as the entire free press coniving to have a left wing party elected because “they felt like a change” or a global conspiracy of scientists trying to convince us of the crazy notion that pollution is bad.

Barry says:

04:46pm | 02/05/11

@Chris L
Cool story bro.  Don’t really know what you directed it at me though since it has nothing to do at all with what I said . . . . .  It’s a mere observation I’ve made that left-wingers appear more into 9/11 conspiracies, as they often are also anti-America, and have more favorable views of Muslims.  Anyway, those conspiracies you mentioned sound pretty moronic as well, just like the 9/11 ones.

LC says:

10:41pm | 02/05/11

That’s a long bow you’ve drawn there, John, even by pot smoking infoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist standards.

L. says:

02:29pm | 02/05/11

...or to make the wedding a bigger terrorist target tha it already would have been.

iansand says:

02:32pm | 02/05/11

Princess Beatrice’s (was it Beatrice?) hat was a bin Laden tracker.  It all makes sense now.

Steve says:

02:37pm | 02/05/11

Lets start a double conspiracy theory! They got him on good friday but couldn’t deal with the symbolism. They held off until today not for the royal wedding but to take the scrutiny of Obama’s birth certificate which is a forgery! Now if you believe that I got this bridge to sell you. I’ts going cheap.

John says:

02:41pm | 02/05/11

He needed to be defrosted after 9 years being in the freezer. Explains the 2 days.

MarK says:

03:19pm | 02/05/11

“Princess Beatrice’s (was it Beatrice?) hat was a bin Laden tracker.  It all makes sense now.”

Well Julia’s was the reciever then.

The plot thickens.

Rover of North Cooma says:

03:20pm | 02/05/11

And they did it on May 1 in the US because Hitler’s death was announced on May 1, 1945.

Steve says:

04:10pm | 02/05/11

Rover. That is a good one. More please. We need to think up ways to get around there being a body. The delay until today has given them time to forge DNA samples and undertake plastic surgery on the Osama look alike.

LC says:

08:02pm | 02/05/11

L.,

I wish you were right. Then I wouldn’t have had to watch the royal wedding!

Richard M says:

02:27pm | 02/05/11

At last - A sensible comment.  Precisely correct, Stuart.

Davo says:

02:28pm | 02/05/11

Cool. One of those ADF fanboys found his way into this thread!

AFR says:

02:45pm | 02/05/11

No US casualties? Come again?

Shane From Melbourne says:

03:08pm | 02/05/11

Makes up for the last time they had him surrounded in Tora Bora and let him escape:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora

Jones says:

03:32pm | 02/05/11

Well said Stuart.
You hit the mark with the first line and it took only 15 minutes for Davo to provide the evidence.

GrahamB says:

04:51pm | 02/05/11

“These smart arse and cynical comments on the Punch show just how many self righteous knobs regularly troll this site”
So true Stuart,the knobs have arts degrees attained from Corn Flakes packets.

Rick says:

05:06pm | 02/05/11

Yes there are a few good men out there but there are no inocents in war on either side.

LC says:

09:15pm | 02/05/11

Shane,

Would that be intentionally let him escape, or did he manage to slip away during a firefight?

Shane From Melbourne says:

11:27pm | 02/05/11

@LC- Depends upon whose version of events you believe. I’m personally inclined to believe that they just stuffed up rather than intentionally or deliberately let him escape- I’m not much for conspiracy theories….

P. Darvio says:

02:45pm | 02/05/11

Quote: His style of Islam is as further from true Religion as you would want to get.

Rubbish - the religious texts of the 3 Abrahamic faiths are evil, violent, war mongering, terrorist, genocidal books that advocate abuse, rape, murder and mass genocide. Bin Laden, an evil religious terrorist, was simply true to his religion.

stephen says:

03:20pm | 02/05/11

Religion is probably a symptom, or rather, outcome, of those words you use, rather than a cause.
At the time The Bible was supposedly composed, Romans were cleaning their teeth with urine, boys were men’s play-things and any unforgiving human was regularly given over to sacrifice.
Religion is still an Historical event, and still has to be seen, still, in it’s context.
It was, don’t forget, still written by people.

The Redman says:

03:21pm | 02/05/11

Please, Darvio, if you want to get into this type of argument, let me get my bible, and I can find hundreds of references to exactly the same thing. Don’t be an idiot. I can also point to hundreds of christian terrorists from throughout history who burned, raped and slaughtered heretics and unbelievers across the world and down through the centuries. I can point to you that western soldiers across the planet pray to their christian god in complete faith that god is on their side. What is true is that virtually every religion you care to name orders its’ adherents to destroy those who don’t believe.

In any case, there is no difference between a terrorist, a religious terrorist and a murderer. The victim is just as dead. The only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is which end of the gun one happens to be standing.

Liam says:

03:58pm | 02/05/11

P. Darvio - you’re either trolling, or you’re as thick and ignorant as two planks. Please stay indoors and don’t interact with the outside world

Ryan says:

02:44pm | 02/05/11

Well at least one that is blatantly faked!

Big difference says:

02:43pm | 02/05/11

Actually Bush was demonised for using 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq - claiming they had weapons of mass destruction, when in reality it was all about the oil. Obama actually caught someone who was actually responsible for/funded terrorist activity. Big difference.

stephen says:

03:49pm | 02/05/11

OK.
How much oil does the US now get from Iraq ?

The US went into Iraq because George Bush Snr. was promised by Saddam H. that he would not kill Kurds after the Gulf War, and he renegged on that promise.
G.W. Bush felt it was a matter of Honour that Hussain should be punished for this slaughter.
And rightly so.

The Redman says:

03:54pm | 02/05/11

Well said, Big.

The Redman says:

04:23pm | 02/05/11

OK, Stephen, how much? I don’t know, but probably a fair bit. If you know the US is getting nothing, then say so.

Bush very junior never said he was going into Iraq because of what Hussein did to the Kurds. The modus operandi was this: Iraq is linked to al-Qaeda and 11/9. Never happened. Iraq has nuclear weapons capability. Never happened. Iraq had other weapons of mass destruction. Never happened. Honour? Bush would have to look the word up in the dictionary.

Steve says:

04:51pm | 02/05/11

Stephen. They tried to assasinate George Bush SNR in Kuwait. It appealed to George W to bomb Baghdad because “they tried to bad Dad”

P. Darvio says:

02:47pm | 02/05/11

Quote: ….stinks to high heaven of conspiracy

Yeah maybe they got him on the Moon near one of those “fake” Apollo landing sights and they have left his body on that grassy knoll in Dallas Texas…...

Naverly Klitgaard says:

03:01pm | 02/05/11

JAZ says: “I hope i’m wrong”

Great news, JAZ, you ARE wrong! Osama was killed earlier today, not a week ago.

I’m sure you can concoct another conspiracy to suit, though.

Macon Paine says:

03:11pm | 02/05/11

“If Bin Laden has been dead for a week why were’nt we told a few days ago when or as it happened.”
Maybe they only have body parts or he was burnt beyond recognition (he was killed in an airstrike) and they wanted to make sure they could match the DNA. Also remember that a similar timelapse occured with the capture of Saddam Hussein and he was alive.

“this whole thing seems a little too conveniant just like the blaming of Bin Laden for 9/11”
Yes because everybody knows that it was really the shapeshiffting reptilian mossad agents brandishing Challah’s and bagels that hijacked the planes and brought down the twin towers with thermite powered space beam weapons fired from the top secret “star of david” orbital platform and crashed giant flying arks of the covenant into the pentagon and shanksville

JAZ says:

12:48pm | 03/05/11

NAVERLY KLITGAARD…at least have a think about it for a bit. DNA testing even when you have a comparitable sample can take anywhere from 5-10 days.. unless the US has some technology no one else has its pretty fair to assume that this took place at least a few days before we were all informed.
and MACON PAINE what a fantastic annology ha ha ha ha ha it’s obvious you read a bit ... keep up the good work champ.    CLOWN

Rick says:

04:28pm | 02/05/11

Yes we should send Phony Tony there stat

Naverly Klitgaard says:

03:23pm | 02/05/11

Jimmy Dean says:  “Does anyone sse a desperate US President playing his joker card?!?!?!?!”

Nah.

stephen says:

03:59pm | 02/05/11

Yes sir…we are all unfeeling unthinking, unblinking creatures of the middle earth, (oh, sorry, unbecoming, too) and we are allowed only a moment each week to reach the surface, and see the sun.
I blink then, and, oh, it is so much fun.

Steve says:

04:31pm | 02/05/11

Agreed. However one makes an exception for Osama, Mugabe and the like. By the way Richard, how is the view from the high moral ground?

Shane From Melbourne says:

05:29pm | 02/05/11

Hooray for the USA. Their economy is still crap…...

Sad Sad Reality says:

03:57pm | 02/05/11

Agreed. The “moderates” are going to be fuming.

The Redman says:

04:04pm | 02/05/11

You’re a grub.

The Redman says:

04:07pm | 02/05/11

Oh yeah, well done. Not that bin Laden didn’t get what they deserved but really. It took the greatest military power in the history of mankind 15 years to murder an ailing, old man. Now that’s a great victory, don’t you think? Please don’t make this what it isn’t. The US will be overjoyed he’s dead. We’ll never now the level of cooperation the US gave bin Laden during the 1980’s - thereby fuelling the situation that the world found itself on 11/09/2001.

Ricky Ricardo says:

04:19pm | 02/05/11

Yay! to warmongering! Yay to the death of an innocent man! What would possess a man to support the US in this purposeless act of destruction?

Thomas Anderson says:

06:53pm | 02/05/11

Good point Redman, the USA has trained Bin Laden and his fighters back in the 80’s, while the Bushes and Bin Ladens filled their coffers with oil money. It’s a known fact, surprisingly it was not very deeply discussed by the media over the years. It’s always “Osama the terrorist”, and never “Osama the CIA trainee”.

Darragh Scully says:

06:15pm | 02/05/11

I dont remember being this happy with out medication since 9/11.

The 69th Infantry Barracks, Lexington Barracks is the closest National Guard Barracks to Ground Zero and naturally they are the units that cordoned off the Area.

lynn, Cpt. Sean. The Fighting 69th: One Remarkable National Guard Unit’s Journey from Ground Zero to Baghdad. Penguin Books, 2007
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=rSIC-W0e3-oC&dq=The Fighting 69th: One Remarkable National Guard Units Journey from Ground Zero to Baghdad.&source=gbs_similarbooks

Now this is a good book.

This is an Epic Day for the people of New York.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8
So put your Hands in the Air and lets hear it for New York and the Tenth Mountain Division.

Thomas Anderson says:

06:44pm | 02/05/11

Let’s face it, Bin Laden was only a spokesman. Do you really think he single handedly controls the Islamic terrorist network? This changes nothing, and all these “festivities” will only inspire more people to join the terrorists.

One single terrorist leader has been killed, it is an achievement, but to celebrate it as if a war has been won is idiotic and disgusting.

Darragh Scully says:

06:53pm | 02/05/11

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

http://www.pvtmurphy.com/strips/commission/SSG-Shank_and_CPL-Roberson.jpg

Luce says:

05:26pm | 02/05/11

Yes!!! Clearly Howard is the real devil here… Why have America been chasing Bin Laden this whole time??

p.s. Rudd and Gillard were/are worse than Howard… just sayin’

jg says:

07:00pm | 02/05/11

Of course, John Howard is the fault.

Never mind Rudd and Gillard’s utter and complete incompetence, just drag up Howard and all is well.

You rusted on lefties are funny. It must be hard not having Howard around to critisie and demonise hey? But don’t worry my friend! Soon you’ll have Abbott to demonise and all will be well.

The Redman says:

09:05pm | 02/05/11

I didn’t inject him into the story. He did. I cannot stand that man. In my view, he has gone a long way to destroying the egalitarian society in this country. Apart from that, he is a pathalogical liar and it is a stain on the voters of Australia that he was elected so many times.

The Redman says:

10:10pm | 02/05/11

jg, I won’t stoop so low to do to the PM of my country what you people are doing to Julia Gillard. That’s how you spell her name, by the way. I might say that I can’t stand John Howard or what he stood for, but the venom against Gillard is obscence.

Rick says:

10:15pm | 02/05/11

John who? seriously does anybody listen to old jack boots anymore agree with the rest totally

Luce says:

05:22pm | 02/05/11

But you don’t mind that people bash Islam, right?

True Believer says:

06:17pm | 02/05/11

@Luce

This is the sort of cynicism and ignorance I speak of in my post. I do not “bash” Islam.  You will not find anywhere a post where I do.

I am quite secure in my relationship with the Living God and His Son Jesus I do not need to “bash” the belief systems of others.  I know and love my Lord and He knows and loves me.  What others believe is up to them.

The Redman says:

10:04pm | 02/05/11

“I am quite secure in my relationship with the Living God and His Son Jesus I do not need to “bash” the belief systems of others”

Are you kidding, True Believer? Do you know anything about the history of bloodshed in your religion? Have you deard of the Inquisition, for example? Or the Crusades themselves? Please. Love your ethereal god if you must, but don’t take us for fools.

Rick says:

10:25pm | 02/05/11

Just remember True believer ........the MEEK shall inherit the earth…....i find it hard to believe that the most powerful army in the world could be considered to be meek

Luce says:

10:37pm | 02/05/11

Note that I didn’t actually accuse you of Islam bashing. I was simply highlighting that you adopt a defensive and patronizing tone when people Christian bash, but have no issue with others saying worse things about another religion.

TheRealDave says:

12:15am | 03/05/11

I thought ‘Ignorance’ was the pre-requisite for ‘faith’ ??

True Believer says:

09:44am | 03/05/11

@The Redman
This is the sort of ignorance of which I speak. You make the big error of looking at the actions of men claiming to be “Christians” and you judge God and His Son Jesus.  I am not interested in the actions of men/women which although done in His name do not reflect the Gospel message Jesus brought.  God is love.

Wars, sexual abuse etc etc are acts of mankind - just because they claim to be “serving God” or dress up in fancy clothes with crosses on their back does not make them true believers in Jesus.  Only He knows who are the true believers, but you get deceived by hearing and reading of human history and assume that reflects God. Get to know Him, then you will know how deceived you have been.  Man is fallible and prone to sin, God is infallible and there is no sin in Him.

@Rick
“Just remember True believer ........the MEEK shall inherit the earth…....i find it hard to believe that the most powerful army in the world could be considered to be meek”

Thank you for your post, but I am not sure I understand what you are getting at as I was not talking about armies, never mentioned them. I only talked about my Lord.

@Luce
I apologise, you had not said that I bash Islam. I misread your post.

I am not interested in religions, if people are into religions they must defend them themselves.  I have said it before and will say it again - religions are man-made therefore fallible, Jesus is not religion and religion is not Jesus. I have a relationship with the Living God and His
Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit that is not a “religion” as it is bandied around in here.  However, I appreciate you probably cannot understand the difference. Hopefully one day you will.

Luce says:

11:50am | 03/05/11

Again with the patronizing tone.

Before you try distance yourself from religions because your beliefs are so much more pure, just remember that if fallible man made religions had never existed, you would have no idea who Jesus was today because the idea would have just died out. So really, you have a lot to thank them for.

God needs man more then man needs god to survive.

JAZ says:

01:13pm | 03/05/11

True Believer :  are you f*cken serious do you actually believe the crap your pedalling ?? and your trying to convince us that we’re foolish .. ha ha ha ha ha we’re foolish ha ha ha ha ha
Your entire belief basis is constructed from lies and mistruths. In a way I pity you , but the fact you believe so intently is probably what gets you through life isnt it. You and the other believers in sky fairies and false prophets are the reason we’re in this mess.

True Believer says:

01:55pm | 03/05/11

@Luce

Well it sounds “patronising” to you because you do not understand, if you understood you would realise I just speak the Truth. ‘

You try to reason it with the carnal mind - I know what that is like because I was an unbeliever for many wasted years. Only the Living God can take the scales from our spiritually blind eyes and enable us to know Him.  Jesus would never die out because that is an impossibility.  He does not rely on man - only invites man to choose spiritual life, not spiritual death. We all have a choice. I have been on both sides of the fence. Once I too was ignorant, now I see by His Grace, not because of any worthiness in me.

@The Real Dave

Well I guess you need faith to believe there is no God - and that sure is a choice many make to remain ignorant.
@Jaz

Anyone who is so unable to discuss matters without interspersing their conversations with inappropriate references to sexual intercourse is probably not capable of understanding the important things of life. You will find out there is much you don’t know - I hope it is sooner, rather than later.

Luce says:

03:00pm | 03/05/11

The way I reason it is by logic.

If suspending logic and reason is what needs to be done to accept Jesus (because it is only by suspending reason and logic that you can believe any of that is real), then I have no problem continuing my non belief in all its glory.

and p.s. he does rely on man. If Emperor Constantine had never held the council of Nicaea in 325 AD, Christianity probably never would have gained as much traction. People would have stopped talking about Jesus, many lives would have been saved as there never would have been the crusades, science and technology would have taken off a thousand years earlier then it did, and 2000 years on, you would have lived your life none the wiser. God and Jesus are man made ideas. Don’t be fooling yourself into thinking they are anything more.

Al says:

08:20pm | 02/05/11

Damian are you going to save the world from bad acting?????

The Redman says:

09:29pm | 02/05/11

So. Just so I’ve got this straight. After a far right facist diatribe, you want to assasinate Australia’s Prime Minister? Is that what you’re saying?

Oh. And by the way. The west was dealing with the middle east about 1000 years before the existence of oil was even know, you tool.

Politicians are worried about election too, which is why Abbott panders to facists like you. You don’t like politicians who care if they keep their job? Well, welcome to democracy, sonny, although by the sounds of it you’d rather live in a right wing dictatorship.

Let’s call him Abdul, you racist? Let’s call you wanker.

Al says:

07:22pm | 03/05/11

No you’ve got it wrong; an election will be fine, unless the faceless few deal with her as they did KRudd.

Yeah the west was dealing with the Middle East 1000 years ago, it was called the crusades and then the spice trade so what?

No not a racist, So OK delete Abdul and insert Bob and Steve I don’t care. Still doesn’t change the scenario or make a difference. Iraq is going to be devastated for years and who is going to help them rebuild? Not you I bet.

The point I obviously failed to make was that voters and politicians have a responsibility to the global community. Voters need to be careful who they vote in, politicians can’t be expedient opportunists or war mongers.

The politicians who divided the world up on lines of latitude and longitude centuries ago caused much of the angst. Reparations from WW1 caused WW2 and the inability to follow through on a promise has pissed off and killed thousands.

Linda says:

08:37am | 03/05/11

Thumbs up to you Youdy. It’s all just another Act in a bloody big, well (or not so at times) choreographed melodrama. Kill an already dead bloke, upset his followers, organise more terrorist attacks, blame the followers, (or someone else, whichever is the most convenient at the time), bomb the crap out of that country - because they’ve behaved so badly… and on it goes. They really should have timed it for over the Easter break.

Shall we run a book on which country is next on the hit list? Pakistan? Palestine?

Thomas Anderson says:

09:51am | 03/05/11

I’m with you on that one, Chris.

This whole thing just goes to show that the US government has been very successful in brainwashing their citizens. Brave New World, they live in.

fairsfair says:

10:05am | 03/05/11

Agreed. I admit, I had some feelings when I heard it, but I guess it is just because it brought back the mood of the world following 9/11.

I have to say I am glad to hear of his death, for what it represents, but I a have a lot of other emotions in there that outweigh it.

What makes the parades in the streets of Washington OK, but when people parade in the streets of (for example) a middle eastern country after the death of a westerner oh so very bad. I see no difference and therefore this just has nothing to do with religion for me - it is just warmongering from both sides.