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Lucy Kippist

by Lucy Kippist

31 Dec 05:00am

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Today’s open thread is brought to you by Punch reader, “Jayda”:

“Dear Australia, I want the fun back! I want our nation to raise a giant middle finger in the face of ‘the rules’, don a sombrero and remember that we Australians, used to have a sense of humour!

Having just returned from an incredible six week Mexican holiday I’ll be the first to admit I’m suffering from the post-holiday blues. I miss the $1 beer and the happy discovery that said beer comes in a plethora of non-Carona options of exceptional quality. I miss the music that blares from every shop, restaurant and bar with scant regard for location or hour.

I miss the tequila that was poured directly into my mouth from bartenders who stood table top to administer the shots. I miss the way that the implementation of the smoking ban is interpreted simply as the need to put up “No Fumar” signs, but certainly not to enforce their meaning. I miss the crazy architecture and the rooftop bars and restaurants with dangerously crumbling balconies and scant regard for OH&S.

I miss the children who play, chat and run around until midnight despite having school the next day. I miss the fact that a zoo could have a touch pool full of friendly rays right next to an identical looking pool containing a shark - the only defining difference being the small sign on one encouraging children to pet the rays and the small sign on the other saying to keep your hands out of the water.

I miss the constant laughter, the friendliness of the people, the willingness to make friends and the love of togetherness.

My depression comes from the realisation that you can’t have experiences like this in a so-called “developed” nations like Australia. Why? Because ‘developed’ intrinsically means having ruled, legislated and surgically removed the fun out of practically everything.

Because we’ve become such a nanny-state nation of people who want no personal responsibility for anything anymore and who sue at the first sign of trouble. Who raise their arms in horror and cry “but what about the children”, complain about the loud music next door, need others to tell us when we’ve had too much to drink and look to our governments to make our world safe. Because we’ve become afraid.”

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    • GaryQ says:

      04:27am | 31/12/10

      I noted the same sort of thing in Thailand - a scenic lookout without a concrete and steel barrier 6m metres from the edge and ‘Safety Man’ signs warning you that you could fall to your death if you are an idiot. Being encouraged to leap from 10m high waterfalls because they’ve never lost a tourist ... so far… The assumption that you will look after your own interests, because that’s the sensible thing to do.

      We had that society in the 70s - riding your bike to the milkbar with 20c and needing 2 hands to carry the bag of lollies so you free-wheeled home and let go of the handlebars and allowed gravity to steer…. fishing tennis balls out of the local drain with a stick, playing cricket with a bin in the middle of the road, picking wild mushrooms in the cow paddock over the back fence and making your 8yo fortune selling them door to door to Mum’s who probably threw them out straight away but always handed over your outrageous 10c a bag price…

      And I distinctly remember as a child the day the music died - the first time I heard the phrase “American-style liability and litigation” .

      A return to Fun Australia requires people to realise that when things go pear-shaped it’s THEIR FAULT for not being careful and not the council who didnt repair a crack in the footpath, or McDonalds for making the coffee too hot or *gasp* a driver was doing 116kmh on a 110km stretch of 4 lane freeway.

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    • BobbyDan says:

      08:09am | 31/12/10

      A tick all those remarks and to most of Jayda’s too.

    • Mouse says:

      11:23am | 31/12/10

      and the 5 cent bag of hot chips with heaps of vinegar and salt. Skating in the middle of the road. Groups of kids hanging out at the corner shop with no agro. Addressing adults as Mr & Mrs. Taking discipline on the chin as a consequence for breaking the rules and not screaming for a lawyer.  Damn I miss those days!

    • Flutz says:

      12:00pm | 31/12/10

      We were just discussing the other night how when we were kids everyone in the neighbourhood just pretty much went in and out of everyone’s elses houses all the time as well - these days most people would be lucky to even know the first name of most other people in their street.

    • briperth says:

      02:05pm | 02/01/11

      Just be patient, when you sober up you will realise that we live in the best country in the world.  Our children do go to school because they are not running round at midnight.  As far as i know , we don’t pour spirits straight into the mouths of inebriated idiots, in licenced premises.  If u are not having fun in this country u mut be very very sick!

    • ian m says:

      05:14am | 31/12/10

      Usman Khawaja is our new cricket team member but what the heck is he being a muslim got to do with anything. our media is the biggest load of rubbish in the western world. your all cafe latte cr***. as far as anyone should care he could be a member of the church of middle leg north pole latter day saints. we want peace and harmony in 2011 all religions should be personal.

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    • Bob says:

      05:31pm | 01/01/11

      Yes - I must admit I found the emphasis on his being Muslim a bit over the top…..we don’t hear that Ponting is a Baptist, or a Catholic or an atheist!

    • Tedd says:

      05:47am | 31/12/10

      ” we’ve become such a nanny-state nation of people who want no personal responsibility for anything anymore ” ....

      ... partly because of religious zealotry from the likes of the self-appointed Aust Xtian Lobby lobbying the religious infiltration into our over governed administrations.  Begone.

      Mind you, our drinking culture is not to be encouraged - a couple of tequila shots administered the way Jayda experienced and a couple of good quality beers could be fun, but half-a-slab-a-night frequently???

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    • Economist says:

      05:51am | 31/12/10

      Jayda, what you’ve simply described is an overseas holiday experience.You’ve romanticised the lifestyle of others, but personally drawn the wrong conclusion.I’ve had similar experiences in strongly regulated European, Middle Eastern and Asian countries.  The difference was yourself and your behaviour. Do you willingly drop your guard and make friends at local bars? It’s not fear, but routine that you seem to despise.

      As for loud music next door, if you regularly do it, you do it late on a week night, with a sub woofer that travels the sound over 3 blocks expect complaints and threats.

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    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      09:05am | 31/12/10

      I COULD NOT AGREE MORE with the “economist”  about loud music - or any other behaviour for that matter - which offends others or destroys their peaceful amenity. Having “fun” with total disregard for others is for toddlers and little children who cannot be expected to know better and should be taught by their parents. Otherwise they’ll never ‘survive’ in society. And when adults act like children you get a nanny state. Simple really. And as for complaining, Jayda, about others telling you when you’ve had too much to drink, if you get to the point where that is necessary, it’s past your bedtime.

    • Elphaba says:

      06:10am | 31/12/10

      Oh God, you’ve given me travel envy.  At least it’s 3 months and counting til Egypt.  Mexico sounds awesome - I noticed the same relaxed attitude you speak of in Vietnam.  And $1 beers!

      Great article Jayda. grin  A reminder of why we should get out in the world now and then and see how the other half lives.

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    • Shifter says:

      01:36pm | 31/12/10

      You’re going to Egypt? OK, now I’m a little jealous.

    • Super D says:

      06:45am | 31/12/10

      We’ve all wished at some point that our nation could be more like a low rent Mexican tourist trap.  As a younger lad I too was captivated by cheap coronas (25c) and burly bartenders mouth pouring tequila shots to anyone you pointed at.  I remember the thumping party music that never stopped.  Through the corona / tequila haze I remember young mexican girls dancing a new dance called the macarena and thinking it was the coolest thing ever.

      I can also remember being somewhat ill from too much tequila and corona or maybe it was too much macarena?

      All I know is that Australia works well with lower quantities of all three.  Would we really like a country where 10:00am was time for blaring music, tequila. beer and the Macarena?

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    • TChong says:

      07:53am | 31/12/10

      2010 ,- It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

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    • fairsfair says:

      08:49am | 31/12/10

      I’ll second that TC. It has been a strange old year. I won’t say that I am sorry to see the back of it but at the same time I am sure it could have been a whole lot worse. It flew but it dragged. It was exciting but boring. It was enjoyable but annoying. I have spoken to so many people that feel the same, which is bizarre. Usually someone out of your family and friends makes you sick with the regailment of their fantastic year just passed while you recap on the money you blew, the weight you didn’t lose and the changes you didn’t make. I haven’t come accross that so far…

      Happy New Year to you and your family and I hope 2011 is a safe, carefree and enyoyable one!

    • toms says:

      08:19am | 31/12/10

      your piece reminds me of the item in the news the other day here in brisbane where three kids jumped on their lilos in an attempt to float 50km down the flood swollen river from ipswich to brisbane. they managed to get 15km before the police nabbed them.

      while admitting that it was very dangerous and while publicly decrying their stunt, inwardly I was amused and impressed and it brought back memories of the days where my mates and I used to go diving off the railway bridge and shooting over the overflowing weir on lilos when I was a kid.

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    • fairsfair says:

      08:57am | 31/12/10

      So true. I think back to what we used to achieve on a flooded Mulgrave and a tractor’s inner tube when we were kids. Our parents let us and half the time dad joined in. The police would drive past and chirp the siren and stop for a chat. That wasn’t that long ago, maybe 15 years. I don’t know what has changed since then but even I drive past kids playing in a flooded creek and click the old tongue. What has society done to us? I had fun as a kid, why don’t we let today’s kids do the same. Clearly we are stupider because more of us seem to be dying doing stupid things. Clearly we are less tollerant because we actively seek out ways to ruin other people fun and “control” the actions of others. OR is the latter brought about by the former and the former only hilighted because the media is so full on these days? Perhaps no more of as are dying/getting injured doing silly things and it is just a bit of moutain/holehill business?

    • Rossco says:

      08:24am | 31/12/10

      Mexico sounds great. I hate the country Australia has become. A Nanny State ruled by morons and factions of the public always calling for bans and new laws because they read some braindead article in the newspaper.

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    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      09:07am | 31/12/10

      Grow up, Rossco.  It’s the real world!

    • Speedy Gonzales ( the fastest mouse in all mexico) says:

      08:38am | 31/12/10

      Great to see we have all become amigas/ amigos this morning.
      Mexico does sound great , providing you aint poor, or unlucky enough to live anywhere near the US border towns.

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    • hot tub political machine says:

      08:50am | 31/12/10

      The problem is there is always someone to ruin everyone else’s good time.

      In the west we value the individual. The positive aspect of this is that most Westerner’s have more legal rights than non-westerners. The negative aspect is that we are less considerate of the community.

      So we have to have laws - because if you have 200 hundred Aussies in a venue, 199 of them will be fine. But 1 of them will be the yob who ruins everyone else’s night. So we brought in laws about venues…...

      If you have 200 people slip on the crack in the pavenment, 199 will just get over it- 1 will sue the council…..

      Laisez Faire doesn’t work in a nation that breeds this much selfishness. Sorry to be such a cynic.

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    • Richard says:

      11:03am | 31/12/10

      Laissez-faire can ONLY work in a country that breeds selfishness. You should really read Ayn Rand to find out why selfishness is a virtue and why the rights of the individual are more important than the community.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:17pm | 31/12/10

      Never did read Rand, but I did read some Terry Goodkind who I understand was deliberatley trying to proselytise readers to the Rand philosophy through writing a Sci-Fi fantasy.

      I probably should read Rand one day but the concept of selfishness trumping community mindedness is profoundly oppossed to the core values of my faith, uprbringing and opinions. I suspect it would not just be about changing my mind, but changing my soul to get me into the Rand view.

    • Dan says:

      10:59pm | 01/01/11

      Richard, Rand was a joke. Followers of her were responsible for the GFC.

    • Richard says:

      11:06am | 02/01/11

      No joke Dan, what you meant to say was “most influential philosopher-author of the 20th century” surely? As for her followers causing the GFC, that really is a dirty smear, and I honestly doubt you realise what the manifold and complex factors which caused the GFC even are.

      Yes, Alan Greenspan, the future central banker, was in Rand’s circle in his twenties, and he must share some culpability for the GFC by keeping interest rates too low, but this was decades after her death and almost half a century after their association. Greenspan wasn’t following Rand’s principles; in fact by that stage in his career, he had become one of the meddling Washington looters himself that Ayn Rand so despised and maligned in her writing.

      You shouldn’t believe everything Mareke Hardy says Dan.

    • Roger says:

      09:02am | 31/12/10

      Almost everything seems to be classed as dangerous now, probably decided by people who never move away from the TV and actually go out and do something. I am utterly sick of being told to be “safe” I do have common sense and that seems to work fine. Safe is so over used now I think it is causing many people to be so scared of everything. I was recently told by a friend to “stay safe” when I went to mow the lawn!

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    • Ryan says:

      09:26am | 01/01/11

      @Roger: apparently flying your kite down at the local park is classed as dangerous now.. they banned it, what could be more ridiculous than that sort of facist Labor state.

    • Richard says:

      09:24am | 31/12/10

      This piece deserves a spot on one of those top 25 lists: its absolutely brilliant. Our government has gone mad on power, rejoicing in the ability to legislate and regulate every facet of our lifestyles, sticking their noses further and further into our business, and then using the hypothetical impact of some possible-but-improbable outcome on one arm of their ubiquitous tentacles as the justification for why they need to meddle in yet another area, and another, and another….

      The term “nanny-state” to me is just a euphemism for Fascism, the friendly kind of Fascism that every one seems to be pleased with. Its more important to everyone for them to jam their standards down other people’s throats I suppose rather than just trying to find their own individual happiness in life and to live and let be.

      And I don’t know how we can fight back, because every time I suggest something like repealing the compulsory bike helmet law or raising the drink driving limit on these forums, I get howled down by community conscious do-gooders who are quite happy to forsake their individual freedoms in return for some vague notion of collective safety, and expect everyone else to forsake their individual freedoms as well.

      The power of the many is far greater than the power of an individual, and the many have become a mob of bullies as far as I’m concerned. One can only hope that when the revolution comes, their ring-leaders are first against the wall.

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    • TChong says:

      11:07am | 31/12/10

      Move over ( Young Ones) Rick.
      Richard you anarchist you!
      Power to the people , right on!  wink
      Only trouble is “people power"is a democracy , and we all believe in deocracies, dont we ? , after all places where anarchy reigns usually arent considered overly desirable places of abode.
      Now , why is that you reckon?

    • Richard says:

      02:44pm | 31/12/10

      Interestingly TChong, I had this debate on my facebook page after posting a petition to support Wikileaks. One of my friends said that anarchy is never in the best interests of anyone, to which I replied that I would rather live in the lawless wild west of 1880’s America rather than in the authoritarian regime of 1930’s Germany, to which yet another guy said that living in 1930’s Germany would have been way better so long as you weren’t a jew, gypsy, homosexual etc.

      Hard to argue with that one I suppose, because although Clint Eastwood totally kicked ass in every western he appeared in, he never did so quite as snappily dressed as even the most average looking nazi.

    • marley says:

      06:45pm | 31/12/10

      @Richard - why would you posit a choice between the American wild west, and Nazi Germany?  There are a helluva lot of choices in between, and further out to the extremes than either.  Do you seriously think that wild-west America of the 1880s was a better place to live than, oh, say England or France or Sweden of that time?  Or for that matter, comparatively law-abiding Canada?  Are there no choices between anarchic, winner-takes all systems, and jackbooted fascism?

    • Dan says:

      08:52pm | 31/12/10

      The Wild West wasn’t that anarchic. There were laws, however they differed from state to state and they weren’t always enforced.

    • briperth says:

      02:20pm | 02/01/11

      Fascism in Australia???  One definition of fascism is:

      A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

      which bit fits our system??

    • AFR says:

      09:27am | 31/12/10

      You understand the difference between holidays and “real life” don’t you? I lived in the Caribbean years ago, and sure its an awesome place to visit (for the same reasons you mention re Mexico), but living and working is a completely different kettle of fish.

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    • Paul Wilson says:

      09:29am | 31/12/10

      Great article! We are living with the absurd myth that we can create a risk-free society and in the process created a constipated and stunted nation. Constant “wars” against the evils of drugs, tobacco, getting fat, bikie gangs, sex and goodness knows what else have created a population of zombie like robots. Just look at the glum unsmiling faces marching joyless.y to work in any of our major cities with the smiling happy faces in Mexico, the Phillipines or countless other countries where life is lived in the present rather than in a anticipated fearful future.

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    • Lisa H. says:

      11:11am | 31/12/10

      A big difference between Australia and less developed nations is their more relaxed attitude towards children, and our far greater emphasis on self discipline.
      Because other cultures ‘allow’ or encourage their girls to have children, from a younger age, the culture is more family-oriented and co-operative. Also less economically productive.
      Here, our sexual / romantic notions are so tightly controlled and apportioned and judged (cynically). We expect women to control themselves contraceptively throughout their entire sexual lives, or even abort unwanted or disabled ‘potential people. We penalise families economically through the tax system, even as our government promotes a lousy Family Tax system for some (but Dad still pays tax as if he lived alone and supported no-one).
      Of course our culture is less joyful for all this self control and parsimony! But also, richer.

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    • TheRealDave says:

      12:29pm | 31/12/10

      There has only been one small change in society since ‘then’ and ‘now’.

      Over the past 30 or 40 years the word ‘Responsibility’ has been replaced with the word ‘Rights’.

      Thank You to all those Baby Boomers that made this possible.

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    • nosthow says:

      12:55pm | 31/12/10

      Happy New year to all the Punchers ! My only gripe is that NASA still hasnt replied to my application to be 1st man on mars - bloody hell its been six months now fellas ! I even included some great nude shots of me on the Powerboat - what else do they want from a perfect specimen brilliantly qualified to converse with our friends from outer space. Oh well 2 more months then I offer my services to JAXA !

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    • IanJ says:

      01:07pm | 31/12/10

      Zero risk = zero life.

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    • Terry says:

      02:20pm | 31/12/10

      Q; Why is our society less easygoing and friendly now than in the fifties? (I remember houses with no fences - no locked doors even at night - kids in and out of each others homes - sharing their toys and common heritage)
      A1; Destruction of the social cohesion inherent in a monoculture, by unwanted and unwarranted immigration of peoples who can’t or wont fit in, with a social heritage developed in a parallel universe.
      A2; An obsolete political system which allows politicians to ride roughshod over the will of the citizenry in between elections, accompanied by lies and porkbarreling on polling days in order to get re-elected.

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    • acotrel says:

      04:45pm | 31/12/10

      What does the expression ‘duty of care’ mean to you lot?

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    • BobbyDan says:

      10:33pm | 31/12/10

      Mind your own F’en business, you did it you pay the price, don’t look for someone else to blame or pick up your s..t or pay you compo out of every taxpayers pocket.
      Simple?

    • Richard M says:

      04:53pm | 31/12/10

      Do you miss the murderous drug wars which kill thousands every year, the dreadful gruesome killings, particularly of girls and women, the grinding poverty, the oppression, the exploitation of the poor, the endemic corruption, the misery and degradation that constitutes every day life for the great majority of the people.?  Grow up, for God’s sake.  Mexico is one of the most miserable places on the face of the earth.  You were just a silly tourist who obviously never got out of the artificial tourist areas and saw the reality of life in Mexico.  Why do you think hundreds of thousands of Mexicans risk their lives every year trying to get into the US?  You should just calm down and thank your lucky stars that you live in what is probably the best country (certainly the luckiest) on earth.  And the rest of you need to have a cup of tea, a Bex and a nice lie down.  What a pathetic, childish load of old rubbish.

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    • acotrel says:

      07:07am | 01/01/11

      Richard, I totally agree!  The article shows a lack of appreciation of what we have in Australia.  It also shows an irresponsible attitude to safety.  For most of the 20th century we ignored the necessity of performing a simple risk assessment before acting.  It really gets up my nose when someone wants to go backwards to the ‘good old days’ - they just weren’t so good!

    • Jayda says:

      02:56pm | 23/02/11

      That is the exact type of hilarious, reactionary response I was hoping for with this article. Actually I spent pretty much zero time in “tourist” reas as you describe them, have many local Mexican friends and have stayed with many local families across the country. I have plaenty of appreciation of what we have here in Australia but you have patently missed the (fundamentally lighthearted!) point of my piece, which was a call to people to step back and be a bit more light hearted themselves. To take the good points from a country like Mexico, like a more balanced attitude to personal responsibility and to not take life so seriously all the time! The fact that your response is so misdirected and you have completely missed the point highlights all that is wrong with this great country, Australia, today… that is, people like you who can’t see the funny in anything. Thanks for responding.

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      02:46am | 01/01/11

      I miss a party drug tolerant sydney.  Mardi Gras without cops, now there’s a memory….

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      06:09am | 02/01/11

      I helped to write the Standards Australia document ‘guide to managing risk in motor sport’.  Motor sport can still kill, and it is still fun! The risks are manageable, and must be controlled.

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