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    • Daylight Robbery says:

      05:30am | 08/08/12

      Just ordered infrared lights off Ebay

      Oh, yes, your definitely gay Gay! Gay! Yep! - your gay - Gay gay and Oh, Gay

      Gim me a look, oh com on, Gay

      Come ere Tori, Gay oooooh gay - scissor kicker skinny bitch

    • acotrel says:

      05:45am | 08/08/12

      My dog doesn’t need an infra red camera. He knows what you are about by the expression on your face.

    • Fiddler says:

      08:07am | 08/08/12

      so he won’t come anywhere near you then?

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:11am | 08/08/12

      Your dog understands your sexual mood from the look on your face?

      How many times have you been sexual in ... err ... “front” of your dog?


    • Chris L says:

      08:19am | 08/08/12

      ... and he’ll hump anything whatever the gender.

    • Mouse says:

      09:40am | 08/08/12

      I know what you are talking about acotrel. Most animals are pretty good at picking up good/bad vibes from people. If my dog and cats don’t like someone, it usually means that they are a wanker!  Their average for picking it right is pretty high! lol :o)

    • sunny says:

      09:44am | 08/08/12

      dogs are the ultimate paradox - they’re intelligent enough to sense your mood, yet they’ll chase a car and try to bite the tyre. They’ve got an incredible sense of smell, yet they’ll happily eat some of the most disgusting things on the face of the earth.

    • patsy says:

      12:03pm | 08/08/12

      @Mouse-The very large dog(bitch) that I inherited from my son when she was too big to be his “chic magnet” knew who I liked and who I didn’t. A neighbour where I used to live came over to round up people for her karaoke gig. The dog stood up, put her paws on Ms Karaoke’s shoulders and gave a hard kiss on the cheek. Good dog.
      @Sunny- I know what you mean. Every time I took the dog for a swim in the river she, without fail, found a dead fish to roll in.

    • S.L says:

      06:43am | 08/08/12

      Hands up everyone who fell asleep before Sally Pearson’s final!
      Yup my hand is up. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!

    • iansand says:

      08:25am | 08/08/12

      Don’t worry.  You will see it again.  And again. And again. And again. And again…....

    • Inky says:

      09:28am | 08/08/12

      That this ended up being a double post is amusingly ironic.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:28am | 08/08/12

      A stare is only creepy if you’re not sexually attracted to the person staring.


    • Inky says:

      08:25am | 08/08/12

      Certainly the case for some people. Me, I’m so attention starved I’ll preen if any girls are staring at me as long as it’s not in open disgust. Heck, I’d probably do so if it was a moderately attractive guy as well, even though I don’t go that way.

    • Markus says:

      08:55am | 08/08/12

      The three simple rules to avoid any accusations of sexual harrassment:
      - Be handsome
      - Be attractive
      - Don’t be unattractive

    • Mouse says:

      10:44am | 08/08/12

      It’s all in the intensity and the look around the eyes and mouth. Some guys’ have a sort of a Mick Taylor (Wolf Creek)  kinda look and there is NO WAY I want to know what is going on in that little head!  Some are sweet, some are funny and some just downright lusty. Most times you know what the look means, other than you have broccoli on your teeth or have hooked your skirt up in your knickers. lol   But, yes, Mahhrat, attraction can improve the effect of a stare.  Beards can, of course,  make definition a little more difficult but that’s what imaginations are for, right?  lol :o)

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      12:13pm | 08/08/12

      In Business courses or Interview Technique programmes, folks are told ‘hold the eye contact’.

      Unfortunately, this can be counter productive to people from other cultures.

    • Slothy says:

      02:24pm | 08/08/12

      I think the more pertinent point for discussion is ‘why are some people so invested in insisting that they be allowed to engage in behaviour that makes those around them feel unsafe and uncomfortable?’

      Staring at people is creepy. It is designed to make people uncomfortable. You can be plenty sexually attracted to your partner, and yet still get weirded out if you look up from something you’re doing and find them watching you intensely when you didn’t realise you were being observed. (Once you realise the reason for staring it can BECOME sexy, but most of the time, your initial reaction is going to be less than positive.)

      Regardless of your looks, if you’re staring at a stranger, there’s a good chance you’re going to make them uncomfortable. Get over it and realise that if you’re making someone feel unsafe and freaked out, maybe the answer is to STOP DOING THAT rather than finding justifications for why you should be allowed to do it anyway.

    • Creepi says:

      03:04pm | 08/08/12

      I think I’m going to print out Slothy’s post and take it home for closer study, tonight, in my big empty bedroom. I hope she does not mind…

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      03:29pm | 08/08/12

      A valid point Mahhrat. I am often reminded not to rub my nipples while staring at an attractive girl, apparently it’s ‘creepy’ or whatever. If a girl did that to me I’d be enclined to think that romance is far from dead.

    • gobsmack says:

      07:30am | 08/08/12

      Being in a “tolerant” country like Australia, we can laugh at the scientific test of sexuality.
      However, that sort of technology could be dreadfully abused in less enlightened parts of the world.

    • Chris L says:

      08:31am | 08/08/12

      To employ such technology would require recognising that sexuality is not a choice. I think that would take some of the wind out of their sails.

    • Yuri says:

      10:23am | 08/08/12

      From what I recall of the article when I skimmed it yesterday, it works by comparing the dilation of the eyes when the person is exposed to different types of pornography. Somehow I don’t think that performing this test will go down well with the ‘unenlightened’.

    • Inky says:

      10:55am | 08/08/12

      If it’s based off pornography, I’m skeptical of results. Afterall, didn’t studies reveal not long ago that straight men are aroused by gay porn?

      I can’t remember the details, but I remember there was something. If my internet wasn’t behind the office firewall I’d go digging, but I don’t think I could get approval.

      “You want to look at gay porn at work?” “No, I want to look for a study.” “About gay porn?” “Er… yes.”

    • Chris L says:

      02:46pm | 08/08/12

      Fake Chris L still wants to play this game with me. What a loser!

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      03:36pm | 08/08/12

      I can’t tell which is the real Chris L! Which one do I shoot!?!

    • Mouse says:

      04:29pm | 08/08/12

      Maybe ChrisL, you should let Chrisl keep playing by himself (or is that with??) and he will eventually go blind and not able to see the keyboard, so problem solvered!    lol   :oD

    • Chris L says:

      05:53pm | 08/08/12

      Thanks Mouse but I get the feeling he won’t tire of it. Notice how he keeps calling me “fake” even though he’s the newcomer here? He’s trying hard to cause some sort of impression, but it’s difficult to see why considering this is an anonymous opinion blog.


    • Mouse says:

      08:37pm | 08/08/12

      Yeah, well I’m impressed! (RFLMAO) See, you are so intrepid that you have some that want to emulate you. Be honoured ChrisL, my furry Punch buddy! lol ;o)

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      08:07am | 08/08/12

      Gillard Bull Expo

      Germany are paying half as much on their annual electricity bills as Australian households. An average German household pays just $1060, or about $88 a month, while an Australian households in 2012 are paying a whopping $2117, or $176 a month, according to the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC).

      Australian retail electricity prices rose 37 per cent from 2010-2012 (AEMC). As our electricity bills soar, Germany’s electricity bills will rise minimally. According to the German energy agency (DENA), bills will rise just 20 per cent by 2020, whereas ours will rise 152 percent.

      NSW. As a result of a raft of increases at the beginning of 2012 and then the ‘Official’ Carbon tax in July, electricity prices are rising for that state at an average 19 percent per year.

      Here is a breakdown of the contribution of green schemes to the average NSW electricity bill of $2117:

      Carbon pricing mechanism $169
      Climate change levy $48
      NSW Energy Saving scheme $13
      Large Scale Renewable Energy target $32
      Small Scale Renewable Energy target $64

      *About 50 percent of our electricity increases can be attributed to carbon pricing.
      *Carbon pricing accounts for 15 percent of our total bill and rising.

      NSW carbon pricing has ALREADY been in the system since last year and was responsible for *34 percent of last years price increases.

      Gillard claimed surprise at the rising cost of Australian utilities yesterday.
      —- But she must have known the impact of the carbon pricing, because she imposed it.
      —- She must have known the rising cost of electricity bills because she calculated the carbon tax compensation required for families, and added an extra $5000 for votes.

      In short more lies.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:54am | 08/08/12

      Here’s a question:  If you’re reporting figures from 2010 to 2012, how is the carbon tax at fault?  It wasn’t introduced yet.

      What you’re seeing is infrastructure price increases because those infrastructures are now privately owned.  That would have been John Howard’s idea.

      Both sides of government are to blame, because while we live in one of thes sunniest lands on the planet, we have no solar industry worth a damn.  It’s a national bloody disgrace, and all politicians everywhere should be ashamed of it.

    • ibast says:

      09:10am | 08/08/12

      If you live in NSW you will know that the vast majority of Electricity price rises came before the Carbon tax was even announced.  If you were truelly concerned about them you should be questioning those rises, but I suspect you are more interested in mud slinging than the truth.

      To me the price rises corresponded with the ramp up to Gentrader.  I suspect to artificially push up the sale prices to the vertically integrated providers.  It is this that really needs to be investigated.

    • Tim says:

      10:04am | 08/08/12

      This is exactly the same post that I refuted the other day.

      Do you think posting the same crap over and over again gives your comment more weight?

      How is Liberal party headquarters this morning?

    • Economist says:

      10:28am | 08/08/12

      In my opinion Babylon puts up a lot of wild assertions and then makes some pretty wild conclusions. The German Australian comparison would seem to come from here,  but from reading this it isn’t saying what Babylon’s claiming, but that’s not news. I can’t find where he’s getting the 50% from, but again that’s not news. Instead I found some other stuff from the actual bodies responsible for price management and regulation.

      While my understanding is superficial, electricity is highly regulated and managed, but I can do some pretty basic research. Here is a summary from the RBA of how prices are determined and the contributing factors . So we have the Australian Energy Market Commission which is the rule maker. Here is their report on predicted price increases in the future and the contributing factors to these price increases . The information sheet certainly isn’t supporting Babylon’s claims. The carbon price is incorporated in the Wholesale component as is allowance for changes in sources of electricity generation, higher capital and operational costs for generation, and higher hedging costs. Australia Wide it is expected to account for 40% of future increases. State by state brekdowns available in the sheet.

    • Chris L says:

      10:35am | 08/08/12

      “Do you think posting the same crap over and over again gives your comment more weight?”

      Yes, Tim, they do.

    • Mouse says:

      10:51am | 08/08/12

      “Do you think posting the same crap over and over again gives your comment more weight?”
      Hmmmm, it doesn’t seem to work for Labor either!
      Besides, gillard will see how much the electricity price increase is due to her carbon tax when she has to pay her next bill.  Oh, that’s right, she won’t, the taxpayer foots that don’t they?    :o)

    • Chris L says:

      11:35am | 08/08/12

      True Mouse. No statement by a politician or their followers should be taken at face value, especially if they feel the need to repeat themselves.

    • Economist says:

      12:03pm | 08/08/12

      Tim, If Babylon represents the quality of LNP headquarters I’d be very worried. His contributions are verging on Spam rather than just trolling. He’s even repeated it three times on the other blog.

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      12:39pm | 08/08/12

      I need to keep repeating it because I’m not getting the message that your getting it.
      - 2011 carbon pricing was responsible for 34 percent of the increases applied.
      - 2012 carbon pricing was responsible for 50 percent of the increases applied.
      - Our bills are 300 percent higher than Asia and 50 percent more than Europe.
      - Gillard says she’s shocked at the high prices and vows to fix.
      * But she must have known the pricing structure to calculate the correct compensation and ensure $5000 was left over to buy the votes right?

      What Gillard is doing now is crushing the projects planned to fix the supply infrastructure and distribution, in favour of her useless carbon tax.

      This will lead to higher prices later and even possibly ‘blackouts’ for some communities.

      I read lots of articles, not just one. No one can have an opinion on a topic until they have read at least 3 sources.

      So it’s hard for me to track sources. I’m working, adjusting jobs for an upgrade, then testing. While the process runs, I read.

      You can try BIGPOND > electricity, if memory serves. The European comparison came from my own research, Bigpond only uses Germany. I used UK and France.
      The comparison with Asia came from Crikey.

      Everything up there is the facts as I have read them, or worked them out

      Whats up Truth hurts?

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      01:01pm | 08/08/12

      The Federal government believes the average impact of pricing carbon to be $3.30 per week on the average weekly power bill.

      I’ve got $6.27 net on my analysis of an average NSW bill.

      Aussie will have earn $53 per month extra to pay that. It will be even more as we have 10 percent plus increases year on year.

      I just resent paying this money under the lie of saving the planet, when we all know it’s going to buy votes and good will from Industrial Leaders.

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      01:15pm | 08/08/12


      “While my understanding is superficial, electricity is highly regulated and managed”

      If the utility companies do not drop their prices,  .....Gillard is threatening them with ........**regulation and management.** .....

      Never been to any of these sites.

      Not so clever then?

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      01:26pm | 08/08/12


      “If you’re reporting figures from 2010 to 2012, how is the carbon tax at fault?  It wasn’t introduced yet.”

      I’ve just demo’d to you -
      - that carbon pricing hit NSW bills in 2011.
      - that far from being $3.30 per week we’ve got $6.28 per week.
      - that of the increases to NSW electricity bills in 2011 carbon pricing made up 34 percent and in 2012 carbon pricing was 50 percent of the increases.

      Not 10 percent.

      Are you not angry about being taken for a fool by this shoddy Government?

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      01:32pm | 08/08/12


      I show above that in 2011 some 34 percent of the increases NSW suffered was due to carbon tax.

      In 2012 I show that 50 percent of the increases were due to the Carbon pricing.

      I even list the accounts as to where the monies collected are going.

      The rest of the increase is I suspect the carbon tax given to that utility company and for infrastructure re-development.

      Do you realise that Gillard’s vow yesterday is to stop investment in electrical infrastructure and distribution network development, in favour of her carbon tax?

      What threat does an antiquated and archaic electrical infrastructure and network pose to electricity supply in NSW?

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      01:47pm | 08/08/12


      Show me that my figures are make ups. I mean it’s quite an elaborate hoax. I say these are the facts that I have read. They are faithfully represented.

      You show me different.


      Do you seriously believe Gillard has suddenly just discovered that we have one of the highest electricity prices in the world? That she had no knowledge of the pricing for Australians?

      Because to believe that means you are admitting that Gillard just threw ‘compensation’ monies at Australian families without knowing the true cost of our bills. That she did not know whether the ‘compensations’ covered the costs of the carbon tax. Nor that Australia families would in fact be $5000 better off per year as she stated.

      Which is it?
      - Bullshitter
      - Reckless Leader

    • Ginger Mick says:

      01:57pm | 08/08/12

      @  Mahhrat

      Sorry to disagree with you but the electricity was privatised in QLD by LABOR, state government.

      From memory I think the same in NSW, so how is it Howard’s fault?

    • Economist says:

      02:20pm | 08/08/12

      Well then Babylon perhaps you should go to those sites. You might actually get the facts. You want Tim to disprove your claims, and my links to the offical organisations do just that (I’m not sure what Tim has previously put forward in debunking your claims) as does the link to comparing Germany and Australia which you’ve taken completely out of context, as has the persons or person you’re claiming as your sources if they used these figures. Provide your sources and then they can be assessed. In addition, read Kohler today “Stop moaning about electricity prices”, Google it.

      Ginger Mick I don’t think NSW has privatised yet, the bill has only just passed, but someone else can correct me on this. They still receive a dividend of $1.5b which is one of Gillard’s arguments as to where NSW can provide relief for NSW HH. Also in today’s AFR “Ms Gillard pointed out yesterday that the utilities in the states that retain price regulation and government ownership (NSW and Queensland), have seen revenue rise at twice the rate as revenue going to private operators in states that have de-regulated (South Australia and Victoria)”.

    • Tim says:

      02:37pm | 08/08/12

      Your figures may be correct but your analysis is woeful.

      Comparing our bills to Germany is nonsensical. Different countries, different regulations, different climates, massively different land areas.

      It’s a pointless comparison that only a moron would make.

      Your own figures show that carbon pricing is a small percentage of the total bill.

      As I’ve told you many times before the major cause of the price rises in recent years is because of the need for increased infrastructure. What part of that don’t you get?

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      03:09pm | 08/08/12

      Even if the carbon tax wasn’t all spent on protecting Australians and Australian companies for the taxes bad effects, could Australia’s sacrifice of 15 percent of it’s economic growth make a difference to the world?

      Coal-fired power plants capacity will grow by 35 per cent in next 10 years
      - World coal-fired power plant capacity will grow from 1,759,000 MW in 2010 to 2,384,000 MW in 2020.
      - Some 80,000 MW will be replaced. So there will be 705,000 MW of new coal-fired boilers built. The annual new boiler sales will average 70,000 MW.
      - The annual investment will be $140 billion.  $140 BILLION DOLLARS!

      These are the most recent forecasts in Coal-fired Boilers: World Analysis and Forecast published by the McIlvaine Company.

      The report suggests that between Asia (excludes China) and India an additional 3.6 BILLION tons of CO2 will be added to the atmosphere.

      - The Carbon tax is pointless because it’s been spent trying to protect us from it’s effects, as well as secure some votes.
      - Without a global commitment there will be no reduction in emissions. - Australia’s pitiful 200 million tons? by 2020 will be meaningless.
      - We will have sacrificed 15 percent of our GDP growth for a lost cause.

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      03:23pm | 08/08/12

      Well Tim if you find it easy making an extra $53 dollars per month for your electricity, Gas etc insignificant then good on ya.

      Economist - I do read Government spin.

      Comparing countries using Price Parity is a necessary economic activity.

      Price Parity tells us for example, that with the advent of the Carbon tax, a basket of goods bought in the US for $100 dollars, will cost $165 dollars in Australia. Same goods 65 percent more here.

      What useful thing can we do with this information? We can use it to question prices. It’s a baseline from which suppliers are required to justify their differences, Its the activity of an intelligent person, not a dill as you suggest.

    • Economist says:

      03:55pm | 08/08/12

      OK its unfair to call you a dill, but again read what’s provided. The German/ Aus comparison state the following:

      “An average German household pays just $1060, or about $88 a month, for electricity to run their computers, lights and other household appliances, while an Australian household in 2013 will be paying a whopping $2117, or $176 a month, according to the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC)........

      Germans and Australians are basically paying the same amount for each retail unit of electricity at the meter, with Germans paying 0.31 Australian cents today which Australians will match next year (0.31 cents in 2013/14). The difference is the volume purchased, as highlighted above. Germany has a comprehensive climate and energy security policy suite that drives renewable growth and energy efficiency across the economy, which has led to average households that USE HALF AS MUCH ELECTRICITY as Australian households.

      Germany’s low electricity bills are saving families so that they can now spend on the important things in life, but that’s not all that Germany’s highly efficient electricity sector has achieved with its lower bills for consumers…....

      So how did Germany get itself into a position of having significantly cheaper annual electricity bills than Australians?

      Germany’s approach as a global technology leader has been energy service-based. It is an approach that really got cemented when the German Greens went into an alliance with the Social Democratic Party (SDP) back in the early 2000s. Hans Josef Fell (Greens), along with Herman Scheer (SDP), promoted significant policies that were about moving the Germany and the world from 19th century fossil fuel-based economies to 21st century renewable-powered clean tech economies.

      Germany is reducing their emissions by 30 per cent by 2020 and they have a new renewable energy target at 30 per cent of the nation’s supply for 2020 (as they passed the old 20 per cent target in early 2011).  Not content with just using half the electricity of Australians, they have an all sector 20 per cent energy efficiency target as well”

      I’ve capped the relevant section for you because I don’t know how to bold. Your assessment on GDP affects may be right, I haven’t looked into it and if so may be cause for concern. So by all means argue your point, but don’t do what looks like deliberate attempts to mislead it undermines your point.

    • Babylon in Canberra says:

      04:31pm | 08/08/12

      Lovely Green Party fairy tale!

      The European press reported that mad Greens in Germany forced a shut down of seven Nuclear Power Stations in Germany, using a fear factor following the earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan.

      The result was catastrophic, Electricity costs in Germany immediately rose as utilities switched to burning more expensive natural gas and thermal coal to bridge the shortfall in electricity.

      Luckily Non Green nutters in Berlin left the door open to reconnect the power stations to the grid. But that will take time.

      Within a month, Electricity supplied permanently to the grid in Germany jumped as much as 17.9 per cent to a session high of €64.25 per megawatt hour.

      The following months after the Green Nutters shut down much of Germany’s Nuclear power, the prices rose to 27.9 per cent.

      “These day-on-day gains are huge, and will impact markets all over Europe,” said Zoe Double, at ICIS Heren, the energy markets data provider, in London.

      Prices across other markets,?including France, and Spain, also surged.

      However, as my report shows, none are as expensive as Australia.

    • maxwell says:

      08:11am | 08/08/12

      I know this is not a current topic but it is really starting to worry me based on its original targets, apparently the NBN Co has achieved only 9 per cent of its rollout target for homes passed by fibre and 3 per cent of the planned connections where customers are hooked up to broadband. Based on its initial estimates , by June this year 317,000 households should have been passed with fibre and 137,000 homes actually connected to a broadband service. In reality, fewer than 25,000 homes had been passed and fewer than 4000 connected. Its our $36 billion being managed in this way! Some body of intellect one of your smart unbiased reporters on the punch please bring it to the publics attention

    • Inky says:

      08:28am | 08/08/12

      I call shenanigans on those figures. Can we see some links as to where they’re being pulled from?

      My money’s on that the connection is there and ready, but the people aren’t taking up the service, which is ultimately their decision, but you can’t blame NBNco for that.

    • LJ Dots says:

      09:24am | 08/08/12

      Inky, I cannot speak for maxwell, but this might be the source for some of those stats -

    • AdamC says:

      09:41am | 08/08/12

      @maxwell, it does seem to be incredibly slow-going. Have they revised their targets at all?

      @Inky, well, you have to wonder why we are building the damn thing if nobody wants to actually use it!

    • SimpleSimon says:

      09:44am | 08/08/12

      NBNCo’s corporate plan is way out of date. A new one is expected to be released this week which should include more accurate figures on premises passed and connections to date, as well as updated estimates for the next 12-24 months. The targets were over abmitious (to say the least), but rollout speed will pick up now that processes and technical issues are sorted. I don’t think there’s anything to be concerned about.

    • LJ Dots says:

      09:45am | 08/08/12

      Damn. Actually, I meant this one

      It’s an article by Kevin Morgan, ACTU member of Kim Beazley’s advisory committee on telecommunications.

    • Inky says:

      10:12am | 08/08/12

      As expected, site is blocked, like most of the internet, somedays I wonder why I can get here. Still, I’ve always been one for wanting to see the evidence. If I remember I’ll take a look when I get home.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      10:46am | 08/08/12

      I also question what constitutes a premesis as “passed”. Just because you have the fibre connected doesn’t mean you can use it straight away, so I’m wondering if it includes houses with fibre that are not actually able to start using it yet…? Just thinking out loud. As you were.

    • maxwell says:

      12:15pm | 08/08/12

      the concern is every day they fall behind the corporate plan equals hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars. And this will be required to be paid off on the countries corporate credit card. i fear we are heading for a batts/ber x 100 financial mess.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      01:14pm | 08/08/12

      I think your stress is unnecessary and you’re going to give yourself an ulcer. The way these things work is you take your time at the beginning so that you can go faster at the end, exactly what pink batts didn’t do and hence their issues.

      The “hundreds of thousands of dollars per day” thing is also a gross exaggeration. The NBN doesn’t have $36 billion dollars of debt on the cards now, it has only a fraction of that. The NBN will borrow what it needs gradually over 10 years, not in 1 big hit.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      08:12am | 08/08/12

      Well done to Sally Pearson and Anna Meares!

    • Colin says:

      08:36am | 08/08/12

      @Arnold Layne 08:12am | 08/08/12

      And are they now going to pay back the squillion$ taxpayers spent on them to get there?  Fair’s fair; I still have huge HECS bill from the government from them “helping” me out…

    • glenm says:

      12:55pm | 08/08/12

      @ Colin,
      First up did you recieve Austudy while at uni/ If so do you want to pay that back as well as the HECS fees?
      Second how much are you going to earn as a result of your education? You can have that job until retirement. Sally Pearson and Anna Meares may recieve some additional earnings with sponsorship and the like but how may years do you think that will last? How many 60 year old gold medalists are currently sponsors of products etc?

    • Colin says:

      02:29pm | 08/08/12

      @ glenm 12:55pm | 08/08/12

      “How many 60 year old gold medalists are currently sponsors of products etc?”

      Dawn Fraser for one.  Shane Gould for another.

      And then there’s all those younger ones making a motza: Thorpe, Hackett,  Perkins, O’Neill, Armstrong, Klim…the list goes on and on; and that’s just the swimmers!

      No, a gold medal at the Olympics is a guaranteed place on the advertising/corporate gravy train for life..!

      So, I ask again; when ARE they going to pay back all those $quillions we forked out for their training..?

    • Caedrel says:

      03:32pm | 08/08/12

      I don’t believe the funding was provided with the caveat that they pay it back when they could afford to and/or when they won a gold medal… however, that WAS an explicit condition of the HECS scheme. If you’d like to change the conditions attached to sports funding, the athletes are hardly the right place to start.

      One could also argue that the governemnt does benefit from their increased revenue earning capacity post-Olympic gold medal through the greater amount of tax that they collect from said athletes’ earnings - just like from any other Australian.

    • Jess says:

      04:44pm | 08/08/12

      you realise most atletes also go to uni part time during the main career stages so they will have a hecs debt too… I think it’s slightly unfair for them to have a hecs debt and an AIS debt. Also most athletes don’t just compete every 2 years they compete yearly at least in addition to Olympics and Commonwealth games

      Though there was talk of including hecs scheme for athletes I would prefer for it to become a national scheme which includes the tafe sector first (cheers to SA which has this already)

    • sunny says:

      08:33am | 08/08/12

      and when we’re REALLY attracted to someone our tongue hangs out! .. or is that just me?

    • Mouse says:

      10:57am | 08/08/12

      You are not an orphan there sunny! lol
      It’s called gravel rash and I reckon it would probably be quite painful on the tip of your tongue too!  lol :o)

    • Chris L says:

      11:40am | 08/08/12

      What would you have to be licking to get gravel rash on your tongue?!

      (I know, it’s gravel, but it sounded more suggestive if I didn’t point that out)

    • Mouse says:

      03:55pm | 08/08/12

      I have in mind a picture of sunny, walking past a lovely lady, with his eyes popped out and tongue dragging on the ground.  LOL   Call me strange as you will, but it made me laugh! hahahahaha….....  :o)

    • sunny says:

      04:32pm | 08/08/12

      Mouse - not quite dragging on the ground, it only reaches down to my knees ..and I forgot to mention steam shoots out of my ears and my hat lifts off the top of my head and spins around smile

    • Mouse says:

      05:08pm | 08/08/12

      Damn sunny,  I’m gonna see that in my dreams tonight!  RFLMAO :oD

    • Jump In says:

      08:42am | 08/08/12

      In 2000 there were seven countries on the planet without a central bank. They were Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. In 2011 there were only three countries without central banks, being Cuba, North Korea and Iran. Central banks print the money that governments borrow at interest to use as currency - that money can only be paid back by the central bank printing more money. It’s a never ending debt cycle from which the people cannot free themselves. The US is currently planning to go to war against Iran, and then there will be only two countries left in the world that are free from this form of modern day slavery. They will then have the whole world held hostage to this global scam. And then what?

    • Chris L says:

      10:38am | 08/08/12

      ‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.’
      Thomas Jefferson 1802

    • Fiddler says:

      01:34pm | 08/08/12

      The US is currently planning to go to war with Iran???

      Really, you have proof of this? I am sure they have contingency plans, hell they would even have some for going to war with Australia, but people have been saying the same thing since 2003 when they claimed that they would reach the Iranian border and keep going.

      As for those countries you listed, yeah they are veritable paradises and paragons of freedom.

    • Loddlaen says:

      08:50am | 08/08/12

      Soundwave Festival lineup has been announced and I am keeeeeeen!!

    • Elphaba says:

      09:26am | 08/08/12


      Unbeliveable.  There may have been some jumping around the house this morning at 7:45am.  BDO is toast.  Maddah just killed it.

      Prediction - the boys will play Kill ‘Em All in full. smile

      I’m not buying Joe Bonamassa tickets anymore (sorry, those that are attending).  If Metallica do a sidewave as well, I will be pouring my money into soaking up as much of them as I can…

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      09:36am | 08/08/12

      It looks pretty spesh doesn’t it.

    • TRBNGR says:

      10:02am | 08/08/12

      Not that keen on the huge head liners but Loaded, Fozzy and (possibly) Turbonegro and GWAR will pretty much guarantee my attendance.

    • Tim says:

      10:11am | 08/08/12

      It’s pretty good but Linkin Park and Blink182? Bleggghhh.

      If Metallica do a sidewave then I might just go see that.

    • Coal Train says:

      10:21am | 08/08/12

      Memphis May Fire and Of Mice and Men. FLUC YEAH!!!

    • Elphaba says:

      10:33am | 08/08/12

      Oh Tim, I agree - Linkin Park are rubbish.  I never got into them.  And Blink, I couldn’t care less.

      I’m there for Metallica, and to discover some new bands, that’s it!

    • Inky says:

      10:43am | 08/08/12

      Aww c’mon, Linkin Park is hilarious.

      Koffing in my skin,
      These Glooms they will not heal
      Fearow how I fall
      Confusing what is Seal

      ...what do you mean those aren’t the words?

    • Tim says:

      11:07am | 08/08/12

      You’re right I’ll still be going.

      Heaps of other fantastic bands on the lineup.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:07am | 08/08/12

      Lol, nice mondegreen, Inky smile

    • SimpleSimon says:

      11:18am | 08/08/12

      So keen for Metallica. I saw Blink back in the day, I was a big fan in my teens, and am more curious than anything else to see them now. Also keen to see Duff McKagan’s Loaded, even though I don’t know any of the material (surely they’ll do some Gunners and/or Velvet Revolver). Maybe we’ll get a special Slash guest appearance wink

    • Loddlaen says:

      11:31am | 08/08/12

      I’m predicting Black in full Elphaba.
      My inner teenager is stoked on Garbage and Offspring. Not to mention APC and Tomohawk! Cancer Bats are worth a listen if you haven’t heard them yet as they have a great sound and amazing live shows!
      Bring on Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide!!!

    • Elphaba says:

      11:31am | 08/08/12

      @Simple Simon, Slash is here in a couple of weeks, but yeah, he could come back out again… smile

      *sigh* - there will be no more concert spending for the time being, now that this screamer has been announced.  Eyes on the prize…

    • Elphaba says:

      11:41am | 08/08/12

      @Loddlaen, yeah, everyone is saying Black Album.  20 years was soooo last year. wink

    • Chris L says:

      11:51am | 08/08/12

      I always thought Soundwave was the decepticon with the cool voice that transformed into a tape deck :-(

    • Baloo says:

      11:55am | 08/08/12

      I’m not very excited really. I was pumped yesterday because someone told me I Killed the Prom Queen was going to be on it, not sure why I believed that..

      Doesn’t feel very..soundwavey.. to me

    • Zeta says:

      12:41pm | 08/08/12

      I’m disappointed at the complete lack of Satan in the line up.

      I’m hoping this announcement is just to get the kids and bogans excited, and that the next announcement will include Ministry, and at least one decent Northern European black metal band - hopefully either Watain or Dark Funeral, who both just played Wacken.

      If not, my band Black Sun, Chainsaw Gut F*** is available to play on one of the smaller stages. For Soundwave, we’d even get Bieber haircuts and throw in a few breakdowns for the kids.

      That’s all it seems to take to get to Soundwave anyway. Stupid hair cut? Check. Piercing you can drive a matchbox car through? Check. Eyeliner? Check. Vans? Check. Circle pits? Check. Breakdowns? Check. ‘-core’? Check. Mermaids? Check. Murder? Check.

      Is ‘Blackcore’ even a genre? Because if it isn’t, I’m totally going there.

    • Baloo says:

      12:49pm | 08/08/12

      Is that directed at me? wow it’s official, the term “haters gonna hate” has lost all meaning now.
      I never said I hated it, just not as excited.
      I’ll still be going as I haven’t seen the headliners live before.

    • Zeta says:

      12:52pm | 08/08/12

      Sweet Odin’s beard, look at these little twerps -

      And check out this quote from their lead singer:

      “Well, we have been asked a lot if we are a Christian band due to our lyrics. And the answer to that is no, but some of us are Christians and others are not. But myself as a Christian, I try and not put the wrong negative message out in our lyrics. Most of what we stand for is just a band that plays for the crowd to be happy, and to love what we are doing as much as we do.”

      I want to put those guys in a room with Varg Vikernes.

    • Dash says:

      12:52pm | 08/08/12

      Elphaba - :-( Not going to Joe!!! I was going to look out for the tall chick with the piercing!

      Simple Simon - got a link for me to see your SG?

    • Elphaba says:

      01:08pm | 08/08/12

      Actually, Baloo, I didn’t read your comment.  It popped up on my FB feed and I thought it was funny… sorry if it caused offence. smile

    • Elphaba says:

      01:10pm | 08/08/12

      Sorry Dash!  Budgetary constraints and all that. This is exactly why I waited until the last possible minute to purchase tickets.  I KNEW something big was cookin’...

    • SimpleSimon says:

      01:17pm | 08/08/12

      @Dash - here you go. I’ve been following your progress on TDPRI, btw. The junior looks great. Good call on darkening the red, too wink

      Mine is curing now. Needs at least another week and a half before I can wet sand it, so I’ve been spending my free time stripping my old strat body and planning for the tele build I want to start in the next few months, and for the shed I want to build.

    • Baloo says:

      01:26pm | 08/08/12

      All good Elph

    • Dash says:

      01:36pm | 08/08/12

      Well you’re missin out!

    • Elphaba says:

      01:40pm | 08/08/12

      “kids and bogans excited”

      Be nice, Zeta…

    • Elphaba says:

      01:56pm | 08/08/12

      @Dash… that’s a matter of perspective.  Joe is 35, ridiculously talented, and will tour again.  Sometimes, life forces you to choose… wink

    • Dash says:

      02:24pm | 08/08/12

      The key is making the right choice wink

    • Dash says:

      04:44pm | 08/08/12

      @SS - looks great man! Nice mask BTW! I’ve saved this as a favorite so I’ll keep checkin back.

      Are you going to build the tele from scratch? Did you find any plans you liked?

      I am going to take some better photos this weekend to show off the true colour. The Junior is shaping up well. The nitro is taking some time though.

      btw, I planned and built a shed myself 4 months ago!

    • iansand says:

      10:20am | 08/08/12

      Are you sure you understand that graph?

    • Inky says:

      09:49am | 08/08/12

      Speaking of double posts, there’s some amusing NAB advertising at Southern Cross Station at the moment. Basically, they’re trying to flog their banking as one of life’s certainties. However, mixed amoungst these are other rather humourous certainties, such as the person who has the worst taste in music will also be the one with their headphones the loudest. Because I was amused, I was enjoying reading them as I walked up the stairs.

      I got a chuckle out of Certainty #11 - Advertising at Train Stations is repetetive. This turned into a loud laugh when I saw the next one. “Certainty #11 - Advertising at Train Stations is repetetive”.

      I may not feel compelled to suddenly swap banks, but I certainly did enjoy myself that afternoon.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:42pm | 08/08/12

      Sign on the side of the motorway yesterday read ..“Pilot and escort training” got me wondering if their teaching hookers to fly planes…..Would certainly make it easier FIFO to the mines. smile

    • thatmosis says:

      12:40pm | 08/08/12

      Oh dear, the Unions have been dealt a blow by their own members as the public sector union has failed to muster support for what would have been its first strike action over the Queensland Government’s cuts to jobs and services. Of course the Union bosses are trying to blame everything from the position of the planets to the confusion about another ballot but the truth is out there and out there for all to see. Public servants would rather take 2.2% pay rise than strike in this economical desperate time and good on them for showing common sense. A monumental fail for the Unions and the Labor party again.

    • HappyG says:

      03:32pm | 08/08/12

      Gold !!!  Sounds chillingly like a Labor party presser. I’m getting a mental picture of Comrade Barge Arse in a tight little jacket telling us something similar about the opposition leader.

    • From the Heart of Motor Vehicle Making says:

      03:00pm | 08/08/12

      ONE Dollar Twelve cents an Hour!
      That’s the pay rate Thais working in the Motor Vehicle Building Industry are or will be paid.
      Of course the likes of GM-Holden, Ford, Toyota will grab hold of that pay rate. They’d be fools not to, wouldn’t they?
      Yet this incredibly stupid Federal ALP Government, pushed by equaslly stupid Unions who have their collective heads buried in concrete, are still pouring hundreds of millions into the Motor Manufacturing Sector here - at least until 2016 when the current arrangements are due to end. They are simply putting off the day when the entire Motor Vehicle Manufacturing sector simply closes up shop.
      The greatest stupidity of all is that if any of them sat down & used what brains they have to do a bit of Thinking, they would realise that for those who will be affected by these closures will be the Workers. They will all be Four years Older. Many of them, & certainly anyone now in their 40s or 50s, will probably never, ever get another job.
      Close those factories now & the Workers will still have at least a better chance of a new job than in 4 years time.
      The likes of Gillard, Swan & the Union bosses won’t care. They will all be on their massive Pensions’n'Perks for as long as they live. Then, as we have recently been told with regard to our politicians, even when they are dead their parasitic partners will continue to get those pensions, this despit the fact that they have never, ever contributed anything to this nation.
      You might argue that the politicians & their partners sacrificed a lot. No, they didn’t. The politicians went into politics Voluntarily. They knew long before what to expect in the way of alleged working hours. They also knew that the rewards were far and above anything the vast majority of real workers could ever expect.

    • thatmosis says:

      04:35pm | 08/08/12

      That’s okay as long as they get their pay rises now. Its pay rises all round and not a drop of extra productivity to be seen, as usual, the death of manufacturing in Australia and no one can afford to send flowers to its funeral.

    • che says:

      03:49pm | 08/08/12

      Trying and failing to not worry about my big brother who is in a very dangerous warzone right now. Kind of hard to just sit here in my cushy little office while he has bombs going off overhead.

      But I just saw some cute baby gorilla pics so at least I’m smiling.

    • sunny says:

      07:17pm | 08/08/12

      Just read an article on news.. “Sniffles could be a case of syphilis”

      Next time I chuck a sickie I’m going to call it in..
      “Yeah I can’t come in today, I’m crook..”
      “What’s wrong?”
      “..I’ve got Snyphilis !!”  smile


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