An exhaustive survey of Aussie Rules fans by Melbourne’s Herald-Sun found that dumped football commentator Kelli Underwood was regarded as the most annoying caller on television by 39.5 per cent of respondents.

Back to the boundary for you, Kel. Photo: Tim Carrafa

The survey could show two things. It could show that 39.5 per cent of people surveyed are football purists with legitimate concerns over Underwood’s grasp of the game.

Conversely, it could show that 39.5 per cent of respondents are sexist dropkicks who think footy is a man’s game and that girls should stick to talking about cosmetics and recipes.

Whatever the case, Channel 10 has responded to their concerns. After a two-year “experiment” – as it was so daftly labelled to capture the mind-blowing radicalism of letting a sheila near a commentary box – Underwood has been dispatched to the boundary where she’ll provide “special comments” rather than sullying the man’s world of commentary with her chirpy remarks.

There are enough women who’ve been relegated, rubbished and ridiculed in the world of sports broadcasting that they could get together and form their own network.

Underwood has been labelled a trailblazer but there are plenty who have fallen before her, the first being Kate Fitzpatrick, the talented actress who in 1983 joined Channel Nine’s cricket commentary team. Her arrival was about as popular with her colleagues as if Germaine Greer had rocked up for a sherry at The Adelaide Club; the (male) viewers didn’t like it either and by the end of that year’s series between Pakistan and Australia Fitzpatrick was free to resume her full-time career in the theatre.

The Age’s Caroline Wilson might be one of the best football writers of all time but that hasn’t stopped her being the source of mindless low-rent comedy on The AFL Footy Show, which reached a squalid apex when Sammy Newman stapled a photocopy of her face to a lingerie-clad mannequin and man-handled its bum on national television. Nine forced Newman to apologise and he only did so after saying that he had nothing against women, after all he’d married plenty of them, he just didn’t see what they could ever bring to any discussion of football, and why for that matter would any football club be so stupid as to appoint one to its board.

News Limited’s Rebecca Wilson was drafted to The NRL Footy Show in 2005 and lasted one show after having to endure the lip-curling, arm-folding surliness of Fatty Vautin and Peter Sterling, who looked like a couple of stroppy high school boys who’d just been told by the teacher that they had to let girls play on their team.

When Four Corners’ Sarah Ferguson went after the wholly valid issue of group sex in the NRL and exposed the Matthew Johns case, and when Nine’s Tracey Grimshaw followed it up with a one-on-one interview with Johns in which no punches were pulled, there was a widespread view among men in sporting circles and media circles that a bunch of mad women had somehow been let off the leash and that these poor, poor men were being unfairly maligned for stuff which had been going on for years and was usually just a bit of fun anyway. Anyone who saw Fairfax’s league scribe Roy Masters trying to rationalise group sex as a male bonding experience would get the picture.

Underwood should regard her shafting not as a reflection on her own talents, but as the supine capitulation of a TV network to the less bright but more vocal percentage of the AFL’s fan base. It does men in general a disservice for anyone to suggest that she was uniformly disliked by us; most blokes I know who share a passion for this great game are much more interested in what’s happening on the screen, than the person in the box who’s talking about it.

Underwood might not have been a future Dennis Cometti. But I don’t think she was any more annoying than many of the blokes who continue to flourish in the world of broadcast. Bruce McAvaney knows his stuff but I know plenty of people who think he’s become a bit of a caricature of himself. Indeed Bruce can get so giddy with excitement that he actually sounds more like a girl than Underwood ever could, best evidenced when he memorably declared of Hawthorn’s Cyril Rioli “What a delicious young player he is!”. Anthony Hudson appears to have spent much of his life trying to look and sound exactly like Bruce McAvaney. Robert Walls regards Australian Rules as such a profoundly serious pursuit that he sounds more like he’s commentating on the fraught path to peace in the Middle East than a forgettable minor round contest between Fremantle and Essendon. At the other end of the spectrum, we continue to endure the absurdity that is Rex Hunt, whose call on any given game is often so incomprehensible as to be useless.

There is of course one thing these people share which Underwood lacks. In Rex Hunt’s case, he used to wave his about in Melbourne laneways. Other than that there’s not really any logical explanation for why she’s been sacked, and it’s a real pity that the one code which enjoys genuine mass support among women will not allow a single female voice to be heard on match day.

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    • Eric says:

      01:15pm | 20/01/11

      Oh, boo hoo, the poooor wimmenz.

      Is that imaginary sexism only thing you can talk about, Penbo? The brave White Knight rushing in to save the maiden in distress.

      Maybe she just wasn’t all that good at the job?

    • Seano says:

      01:53pm | 20/01/11

      How is it “imaginary sexism” when you don’t actually know whether she was good at her job?

    • Mitch says:

      02:10pm | 20/01/11

      Can’t believe I’m saying this but I agree with Eric (who must be on here for the first 8 hours of his day to get the first comment on everything).  Underwood’s grasp of the game was fine, however her voice was the problem.  It was annoying and nasally.  Most of the female AFL supporters I’ve talked too share this opinion of her, so I hardly see it as sexist to find a woman’s voice annoying.  That said, plenty of other commentators (Robert Walls, Derrrrwayne Russell to name the two worst) have limited to no grasp of commentary and seemingly less of a grasp of football, and I’d take Kelli who at least has a clue over both of those morons.

      Using Caroline Wilson is a poor example as well.  She regularly shows disregard for the private lives of people involved in AFL and their families (eg. writing a story about Terry Wallace’s teenage son), peddles unsubstantiated rumours (eg. her story that Mark Thompson had an affair with then Cats captain Stephen King’s wife) and sees to have an agenda against several teams, most notably North Melbourne where the amount of hyperbole about their financial trouble and speculation about them relocation sometimes strays into Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin territory.  Wilson can dish out a whole lot of criticism and have no moral compass, but can’t take it when she is criticised by others with no moral compass (Footy Show).

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      02:19pm | 20/01/11

      @Seano -  We know because she received a 39.5% vote by the public in a worst commentator poll.

    • Miles Heffernan says:

      02:21pm | 20/01/11

      Ahh I see attack is still the best armour hey Eric.

      The cold reality is that her gender, not her skill set has been the basis for the decision to punt her.

      So when you have the entire club being blokes, even then, you resort to demonising women in general and a columnist that dareth defend them?

      For my money Pembo was spot on. It might be a man’s game but it is a sport that is appreciated by all genders (and *gasp* even some homosexuals and transgender folk).

      I do hope though Eric, that coming into winter, your cave does have central heating.

    • Pete says:

      02:43pm | 20/01/11

      When someone receives nearly 40% of the vote when attempting to list the worst commentator, there’s something going on well beyond her gender.  There are LOTS of crap commentators on the air but a focus like this one person says somthing. 

      She might have been good at her job…. but her voice annoyed the hell out of me and had me putting the radio on instead (as long as I didn’t have to listen to Rex Hunt).  Glad to see her out of the commentary box.  Give other women a go.

    • Peter says:

      02:44pm | 20/01/11

      @Miles “The cold reality is that her gender, not her skill set has been the basis for the decision to punt her”.

      I would suggest that, by the same token, her gender, not her skill set was the basis for the decision to hire her.

    • Tim says:

      02:53pm | 20/01/11

      Mles,
      “The cold reality is that her gender, not her skill set has been the basis for the decision to punt her. “

      And you base this on????
      She was a shit commentator and every time she was calling a game, I turned the sound down.
      The same as I do in the NRL when Gus Gould is on.
      Am I sexist for doing that?

      As for the rest of Pembo’s article, I think it’s crap.
      Caroline Wilson is a fairly good footy reporter, but her NRL namesake Rebecca would have to be one of the worst hacks around.
      And how he managed to bring the Matty Johns case into it, I have no idea.

    • X says:

      03:00pm | 20/01/11

      The problem with Underwood was that she tried to sound like a bloke when commentating, rather than use her normal voice. She doesn’t sound half as bad as when she’s reporting for Sports Tonight (or as you’ll see this year, on the boundary). I’ll bet that 39.5 per cent wouldn’t mind her as much if she dropped the act.

      Unfortunately, Ten have form on this - they also dropped Christi Malthouse, who definitely wasn’t the worst boundary rider we’ve seen on television.

      A quick note on women commentating on the cricket: I noticed Belinda Clark commentating the women’s cricket next to Ian Healy on GEM last week. Guess who sounded the better commentator?

    • Seano says:

      03:17pm | 20/01/11

      ” @Seano -  We know because she received a 39.5% vote by the public in a worst commentator poll.”

      I was asking Eric how he knew it was imaginary sexism.

      As for the public, well we don’t know if this is a sexist vote or a vote based on performance. (I don’t have an opinion, I don’t watch AFL, it’s a silly game).

    • dennis says:

      03:42pm | 20/01/11

      I agree with some of the other commenters. It was her voice. Nothing more, nothing less. I couldn’t stand to listen to it. Made me cringe. They should try another female who actually sounds good commentating.

    • Weary says:

      04:04pm | 20/01/11

      @ Miles - Oh bravo!  Standing up for people who never asked for your help.  Perhaps you don’t think they can stand on their own two feet?Aaaaanyway, my cave does NOT have central heating, but it has a kick-ass glass ceiling.

    • Danzig says:

      04:21pm | 20/01/11

      Unfortunately, her only flaw was her voice is annoying to listen to.  She commentaried well, but was painful to hear.  And you really cannot watch the footy and have to turn the volume off just to keep it on.
      Boundary comments are fine now and then, which she would be good at.  But a whole game would drive people insane.

    • Bob says:

      04:21pm | 20/01/11

      Now I have nothing against women commentators, but I must say that I found her voice particularly annoying!

    • Kate says:

      04:34pm | 20/01/11

      Mitch, you are dead right about Caroline Wilson. She will staunchly defend some teams (Richmond spring to mind) but attacks teams like North Melbourne and West Coast for no apparent reason. It’s so unprofessional.

    • Dena says:

      05:54pm | 20/01/11

      @ Mitch

      ‘That said, plenty of other commentators (Robert Walls, Derrrrwayne Russell to name the two worst) have limited to no grasp of commentary and seemingly less of a grasp of football, and I’d take Kelli who at least has a clue over both of those morons.’

      Is commentating on two National AFL television shows and one radio show not enough of a ‘grasp of commentary’

      Is 259 games, 444 goals, Coach to four teams with 162 wins and entry to the Hall of Fame in 2006…not enough ‘grasp of football’ for you?

      Or does someone not have ‘enough grasp’ of football themselves?

    • Stephen Fitzpatrick says:

      06:16pm | 20/01/11

      40%? So what? I’d say internet polls are to be taken with a grain of salt but I think it does a diservice to grains of salt. I wish news sites would give up on the charade, they have no validity what so ever and add absolutly nothing.

    • Jane says:

      06:32pm | 20/01/11

      Bring Back Kristy Malthouse one of the best.

    • Daniel says:

      07:14pm | 20/01/11

      I don’t like Underwood because she is a bad commentator. She is a journalist, not a commentator. Her calls were continuously exhausting, like something from a student of French literature. As a commentator you have to be quick and accurate or you have to provide expert commentary, which Underwood can not because she is no Leigh Matthews.

      Bruce exudes passion, Cometti is knowledgeable and comical and Hudson is quick and precise. Brereton was shit, he gave too much detail and tried make the game more than it was.

      When 39% of the vote goes to one person, there must be more going on than just a vote based on a persons sexuality. But because I’ve labelled her a bad commentator I must be sexist.

    • Charles says:

      08:20pm | 20/01/11

      Why don’t you all just admit it…..both women and men could not stand the sound of her nasal voice….it was jus plain annoying. Listen the the female netball commentators if you want to hear how it should be done.

    • PaulB says:

      09:16pm | 20/01/11

      I’m reminded of Pixie-Anne Wheatley by all of this.

    • Ben says:

      03:14am | 21/01/11

      I think Eric is probably right… so long as you define her role as “keeping the punters happy while they watch their football”.

      It is a fairly subjective measure to try to describe skills required to commentate on football but I would guess fundamentally, it comes down to keeping the viewers happy.

      So were the viewers happy?  Well, apparently 40% of them weren’t.  So she was gotten rid of on that basis.

      What I’d like to see now is a bit of consistent about using this sort of approach in future.  Could we have this vote every year, with the worst commentator each year voted off?  Or perhaps instead of having a relative rating system comparing commentators to each other, we could provide objective feedback against each of them using a scale along the lines of:

      Do you think they are good at their job?
      1 - Strong Disagree
      2 - Disagree
      3 - Neutral
      4 - Agree
      5 - Strongly Agree

      Any commentator averaging less than a neutral should be fired.  Then we would have a more objective measure than the thumb-suck accusations being thrown around at the moment.

      As for the numpties that are suggesting that because she had 39% of the vote, it must be more than just sexism, well done on failing to recognise mob-mentality or understand prejudice.

      As for the other numpties trying to suggest that she was good at her job and was only fired because she was female.  Good work on failing to recognise that her job is to entertain people, and regardless of whether sexism was the reason for her failing to entertain, she was still failing.

      Personally, with the amount of crap almost all of the commentators spout, to single out any individual one of them as being “bad” is a surprise to me.

    • Mat Loth says:

      06:53am | 21/01/11

      I don’t enjoy her commentary, I don’t know any of my mates that actually enjoyed her commentary. I guess every man in Australia is just a sexist and thinks footy is a mans game. That… or she just isnt very good at her job. I think turning this whole thing into a big news story about how a quality commentator got sacked for having a vagina instead of a penis is the real sexist act. Commentators get sacked all the time due to being unpopular with their audience, this one happens to be a woman. end of story.

    • Ali says:

      07:01am | 21/01/11

      I agree - I am a woman who loves the game and I could not stand her commentary.  She knew very little substance about the game, technical issues etc and the shrill sent shivers down my spine.  I dont think she did a very good job which is why she no longer has that job!  I am all for equal opportunity however someone should keep a job or be given special treatment just because they are a certain sex.

    • Ben says:

      08:10am | 21/01/11

      Ali,

      If you aren’t careful, the feminists will come around with an intervention and ‘rescue you’.

    • Original Oz says:

      08:17am | 21/01/11

      She wasn’t that good at her job. Whenever I was watching a game and her nasally, grating voice would come on in the commentary it would be mute the sound and turn on the radio commentary. She was irritating to listen to. And after all isn’t TV commentary a bit like radio, if you don’t have a presentable broadcast voice you don’t get the job. Nothing to do with Kelli’s gender - her voice was annoying and distracting.

    • kevin Lee says:

      12:03am | 23/01/11

      I soooo wanted Kelli Underwood to be a success. It would have added a fresh dimension to the business of calling footy. It was a genuine improvement opportunity just waiting for the taking. Instead, Kelli delivered a style somewhere between Lou Richards. Rex Hunt and Butch Gale. Her voice was not great but I somehow think that if her delivery was better tempered, the audience could have got past that. Unfortunately Kelli’s delivery sounded like an air-raid siren cranking up. She came across like she was trying to emulate other people - other callers she personally liked. I suspect she may have had more success just being herself. I blame Channel 10. The station had the option ages back of coaching and shaping a better Kelli Underwood. Lets face it the public criticsm of her did not just suddenly start - 10 was totally aware of public perception.  Instead, it pissed in her pocket, prov ided no real support and then cut her loose. Shame on you 10.  David I understand your sentiment and agree with most of your views here. But, I think you have taken the convenient option this time rather than the tougher one of telling somebody they don’t have the right tool kit just yet. Cheers kevin

    • Jay Jay says:

      09:12pm | 24/03/11

      It’s reverse sexism to an extent. Underwood tried too hard to sound like a blokesy bloke, that it just made her sound laboured and like she was trying too hard!

      She was trying to fit in by being/sounding like someone she wasn’t, rather than taking the job on as herself. She will sound different as a boundary rider!

    • Dean W. says:

      01:17pm | 20/01/11

      The decision certainly doesn’t go against the grain of imposed political correctness, however, surely if she was a genuinely good commentator, her position would be retained. People wouldn’t be so shallow to go against a genuinely good commentator, would they?

    • KK says:

      05:05pm | 20/01/11

      She worked her arse off, and did a decent job, however she was a touch behind the play and her voice is irritating.
      If she was calling the football every week, well maybe she’d be good enough.
      I do notice however that Nothing in the paper has mentioned that Luke Darcey has lost the job he had commentating Netball, but then again sexism doesn’t seem to be sexism unless it’s a woman being discriminated against, which, ironically is also quite sexist.

    • Jim says:

      01:17pm | 20/01/11

      “The survey could show two things. It could show that 39.5 per cent of people surveyed are football purists with legitimate concerns over Underwood’s grasp of the game.

      Conversely, it could show that 39.5 per cent of respondents are sexist dropkicks who think footy is a man’s game and that girls should stick to talking about cosmetics and recipes.”

      ...or it could simply show that 39.5% of AFL viewers do not know the torture that is Phil Gould!

    • ibast says:

      01:53pm | 20/01/11

      Anything has got to be better than all of the current league commentators.  They are the main reason I no longer have an interest in the game.  I’m sick of the self important halfwits like Warren, Vauhton and Stirling raving on and on.  These guys seriously make me want to throw a brick through the TV.

    • Barney says:

      02:10pm | 20/01/11

      Or Warren Smith!! Totally OTT!

    • Dani says:

      02:12pm | 20/01/11

      I found her supremely annoying and it had nothing to do with her gender. She just has a shocking voice. Worse than Gillard’s pre-PM modulation.
      I tried so so hard to like Kelly Underwood because I totally support women calling footy and I wanted to be part of the sisterhood and all, but I just couldn’t. I spent the entire games mimicking the strine instead.

    • Phil says:

      02:53pm | 20/01/11

      39.5% of readers who could be bothered voting,  That leaves many thousands of others who don’t even read their paper, in other words it’s a very Melbourne based tiny percentage in the grander scheme of things.  Nothing more than an excuse to hire a newly retired Victorian player.  Betcha.

    • Cate P says:

      10:41pm | 20/01/11

      um it also shows that 60.5% of respondents didn’t find her as annoying as other commentators.  Just saying ...

    • Greg says:

      12:03am | 21/01/11

      The 39.5% of AFL viewers who voted were probably the women viewers, like my wife, who detested Underwood.

      I don’t like any of the TV commentators myself, and turn on the radio instead (unless it is Rex Hunt). The Victorian bias on AFL TV commentary is even more overwhelming than the umpiring. However I could tolerate Underwood’s nasal nonsence far better than Caroline Wilson, who provokes an instant change of channel whenever and wherever she appears.

      I wonder if all the women who voted are sexist dropkicks too? Or are we expected to believe that women were not allowed to vote in the poll?

    • KD says:

      01:25pm | 20/01/11

      Brilliant article as always, Penbo.  Although you did leave out one rather bright star of the 80’s.  Debbie Spillane was a trailblazer, and damn good at it as well.

    • Clem says:

      01:46pm | 20/01/11

      That’s right, in the good old days before television sponsorships when the ABC used to broadcast the Saturday league game. I remember she always used to be on the sidelines wearing her Bulldogs jersey.

    • Mayday says:

      03:02pm | 20/01/11

      Debbie Spillane was fantastic, a true believer in the game, a very good commentator and she was respected by her peers.

      In fact on reflection I would only listen when she called because the rest of them were (some still) so awful, maybe with one exception Rex Mossop who was before Debbie’s time mostly and a real character.

      Thanks for the memories!

    • Clem says:

      04:29pm | 20/01/11

      Mayday, interesting you bring up Rex Mossop. I remember those two (Spillane and Mossop) sparring with each other on a satirical sports show on the ABC - Live and Sweaty, hosted by Andrew Denton and later Elle McFeast I think.
      Incidentally, Debbie Spillane is still broadcasting, she’s on News Radio doing the sport wraps.

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      04:44pm | 20/01/11

      @KD

      Excellent call - I’ll back you on that one.

    • Andy says:

      01:02am | 22/01/11

      Lets get Spillane on Channel Ten. Wake up to her on News Radio and has not lost her diligence and strong knowledge. Has a great radio/commentary voice as well.

    • Craig says:

      01:29pm | 20/01/11

      She’s a woman, she was dropped as a footy commentator, therefore it MUST be a case of sexism.

      Then again, most AFL fans can’t be too bright if they don’t see the light and turn to rugby league.

    • Ben81 says:

      01:48pm | 20/01/11

      “Then again, most AFL fans can’t be too bright if they don’t see the light and turn to rugby league. “

      ugh, If I want to watch neanderthal meatheads do not much more than knock each other over and roll around hugging i’ll watch UFC.

    • Dave Charlesworth says:

      01:54pm | 20/01/11

      Craig I was almost going to agree with you, right up until you made that idiotic comment about bum sniffing rugby league!!

      Get with it Penbo, she just wasn’t any good at the job, had 2 years at it, and the public didn’t like the voice! The voice is the real issue here, not a females voice just Kelli’s.

      Nothing sexist about it.

    • Brenton Goodsell says:

      02:17pm | 20/01/11

      Couldnt agree more Dave. It was her voice no doubt. She knew her stuff but the voice grated like nails on a chalkboard. Boundary rider is a perfect fit for her. Deb Spillane was excellant.

      I’m an AFL fan and have no issues with female commentators at all. It was just that voice.  Sorry Kelli

    • fairsfair says:

      01:30pm | 20/01/11

      But was it just for her talents? I hate AFL and know nothing about the game so I will not make comment on her.

      There are heaps of women within sport though. “The Fat” was rather successful but shafted for some reason (Rebecca Wilson); Peter Hellier has that new game show with that Amanda Shalalalallalala as one of the team captains. That girl knows a lot about sport. I know that there are heaps more, that SBS woman, the women who is on that Soccer show…

      This is male sport we must remember. Why aren’t women taking issue with the fact that the womens 20/20 games are played during the day in Canberra to empty stands when the men’s is on at prime time? Australia were at least more likely to win those matches and the scores are still nearing 200 - they aren’t backyard stuff.  Why should we expect women to be able to comment on a game that they have never played at that level and degree of exposure?

      That said however, Rabbit Warren. I have been praying for a dose of myxamitosis to be let off in the NRL commentary box since I was 9. Hopefully it aso strikes Goulds. These two men have limited playing experience (admittedly Gus has heaps of coaching experience) but they are “gods of the sport”. Gods of the sport that the public don’t like listening too, but they are still there I suppose.

      Hmm, tis a curly one indeed Mr Penberthy.

    • R says:

      02:09pm | 20/01/11

      “Why should we expect women to be able to comment on a game that they have never played at that level and degree of exposure?”

      Actually my personal opinion is that some of the best commentators across a wide range of sports have never played the sport at the very elite level and conversely most of those who have played at the very elite level make the worst commentators.  I don’t care if you are male or female commentating a male or female sport (Luke Darcy is one of the main netball commentators on One HD - don’t hear anyone complaining about him being male) as long as you know the sport and make informed and educated commentary then I say you got the job.

    • MrX says:

      02:13pm | 20/01/11

      Women do take an issue with the fact that the women’s 20/20 games are played during the day in Canberra to empty stands.

      The problem is it’s only women who take an issue with it.

      Most guys don’t give two rats, so you can’t complain that nothing is done about it when you aren’t much of an ardent supporter in something being done.

      Accepting the status quo and blaming it on the marginalised group is exactly how the group remains marginalised.

    • Sam says:

      04:30pm | 20/01/11

      I really don’t see how someone needs to play the game at a high level to call it.  KNOWLEDGE of the game, a voice that is pleasant to listen to, and someone who can keep up with the pace of the game and make relevant comments is what is required to be a sports commentator.

    • Shifter says:

      05:02pm | 20/01/11

      “Why should we expect women to be able to comment on a game that they have never played at that level and degree of exposure?”

      Why should we expect Luke Darcy to be any good at commentating netball? Hang on, he’s actually pretty good at it. It’s possibly an exception to the rule, what with Brayshaw, Rooney et al completely destroying the Winter Olympics coverage with their lack of knowledge.

      Thing is with Luke, his sister and mother are/were very much involved with Netball in SA, and hence you’d imagine some of it rubbed off over the years. The same goes with a lot of women and their exposure to the game of AFL.

      With Kelli, she was horrible to listen to constantly as a play by play announcer. She sounded like a poor imitation of Sandy Roberts in his calling days, Commetti copy but lacking the flair if you will. If she was used in a special ‘colour’ comments role she may have been more successful.

    • fairsfair says:

      07:49pm | 20/01/11

      I actually agree with you all boys. Just bandying about some ideas. I don’t see what gender is even considered. I think it is hit and miss in terms of personality also. Just because you know the foundational elements of a game you may not be perfect, nor only because you have played the game in the past.

      As with the people who actually make the sides (well maybe aussie cricket team excluded!), why isn’t is simply based on an individuals ability - ie, to know their product and make a connection with the viewer?

      This whole issue is a bit rediculous in that it is being treated as some anti-female agenda. As someone mentioned above, if she has been allegedly fired due to gender - does that mean that she was only hired for the very same reason?

      curly

    • Direct says:

      09:50pm | 20/01/11

      Is Luke Darcy allow to interview netball players in the locker room after the match?

    • Shifter says:

      12:03pm | 21/01/11

      @Direct - Can’t say I’ve ever seen that happen with Luke or any other interviewer.

    • WhattaMoron says:

      11:05pm | 22/01/11

      @ “fairsfair”....You hate AFL and know NOTHING about the game??? Really?? Er, um OK

    • Graham S says:

      01:34pm | 20/01/11

      One point not canvassed is women’s high pitched soprano when their voices are transmitted which is tinny, shrill and tremendously annoying and that was Kelli Underwood who was also as unoriginal as the male callers. The Wilson ladies Caroline & Rebecca aside have a more resonant pitch though I thoroughly agree with the Macavaney / Hudson comments. On the other hand If you prefer shrill, squawky, high pitched female broadcasters complete with utterly inane comment and content watch tennis. They make Fred Stolle look absolutely brilliant by comparison

    • Priya says:

      01:35pm | 20/01/11

      Thanks Penbo! As a woman suporter of AFL (and yes there are A LOT of us). I liked Kelli, as did my father and boyfriend…I wish her the best.

    • Barry Guckenara says:

      01:35pm | 20/01/11

      Sorry, David, but I can’t agree with you on this one. It was all about talent. Kelli Underwood was painfully annoying and failed to give viewers a feel for the game. This has nothing to do with gender, as it’s a toss up between her and Steve Quartermain for the title of worst commentator.

      There will never be another Dennis Commetti, but. In my view, he’s the Richie Benaud of footy and has me in stitches all the time without compromising the atmosphere of the game. If he could commentate every game I’d be happy - perhaps letting Tim Lane do the odd one here and there.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:35pm | 20/01/11

      Never once have I heard this lady commentate – which shows how much my passion for the competition (not the game – which is great, but the competition has waned).

      The main reason I was lost to the AFL is simply the draw – the fact a couple of teams don’t have to travel as much as everyone else just means that the competition is fundamentally flawed –whilst also showing that money overrules integrity in the minds of the AFL. Neil Craig used to be fond of pointing out that it was a national competition and you had to be able to win while travelling…….that is unless you are club with a big membership in Melbourne – in which case it is a local suburb competition.

      But I digress on my hobby horse which few seem to care about (curious isn’t it? no integrity to the competition and people are just like ….meh, here AFL/Foxtel take my hard-earned –people are weird).
      Another reason I didn’t like the AFL anymore is that once I reached about 16 I realised how absurdly juvenile a lot of the commentary is and they take it waaaaay too seriously. Dennis was good precisely because he got that it was a game and could actually be fun – Dougie Hawkins and Hudson used to show a capacity to recognise that there was humour in the game too and could keep a cool head. But in general I died a little inside when ever I heard grown adults use the words “hallowed”, “pilgrimage” or “spiritual leader” applied to anything to do with a game…….

      And don’t get me started on when commentators compare the “heat of AFL battle” to what happened at Galipolli……..I see red I see red I see red……

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      02:36pm | 20/01/11

      Good call there. 
       
      If Collingwood couldn’t win a Premiership with 19 games at home, they should pack it in.

    • Pork says:

      08:45am | 21/01/11

      HTPM: BOLLOCKS! trotting out the old “Collingwood get favouritism in the draw and don’t have to travel” crap.  It is utter garbage with little to no basis in fact.  In 2010 the only interstate club we did not travel to was West Coast.  They were the wooden spooners so I don’t think we were bullet dodging there.  As for playing all our games at the MCG, we have to! we had more than 50,000 paid up members who would fill docklands up by themselves AND the small clubs request to play us at the G for their home games so they make money.  We played every member of the 2010 and 2009 top eight home and away in 2010.  Only Brisbane and West Coast were not played twice. 
      Go ahead and hate the Pies as much as you want, we couldnt care less.  But base your reasons in fact rather than fantasy or you just look like a fool.
      And as for commentary bias Robert Walls takes the cake.  His hatred of Collingwood comes out so clearly in his commentary that all his comments should be topped and tailed with “this is a statement of hatred on behalf of Robert Walls.”
      Debbie Spillane was great and knew her stuff.  The Malthouse girl was/is also great.  Rebecca Wilson is an appalling journalist.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      09:44am | 21/01/11

      You proved my point Pork - its money not integrity that decides the draw

    • Pork says:

      10:20am | 21/01/11

      What point exactly?!?  The clubs that elect to have their home games against the Pies at the G ARE FROM MELBOURNE! They are not from interstate. Ask North Melbourne about the virtues of integrity when they fold because of lack of funds - funds they can get via the Collingwood supporters coming to their “home” game.
      In one instance The Pies did travel interstate to play the Roos in Canberra.  We packed the place out too.  All 20,000 of us…
      The Roos worked out they had cost themselves a heap of money that they desperately needed and never entertained such a concept again.
      As with all things in our capitalist society it comes back to the economic.  If it doesn’t make enough money then it will cease to exist or become a bush league. 
      The draft and the salary cap actually do a great job of keeping the competition fair too - there is a whole heap of integrity there.  Unlike Man U in England, The Pies can’t turn their massive supporter base and financial advantage to buy and retain any players they wish - to the exclusion of the poorer clubs. 
      You cited that we got an unfair draw and talk about integrity but it is just fantasy land rubbish that you can’t back up.
      And to paraphrase one of our old Presidents “if you used to be a (footy) supporter, then you never were.”
      I didn’t mind Kelli Lane.  She knew the game.  Her nasally voice was a by product of her thinking she had to put on a footy voice so as not to have excited falcetto moments that male commentators can get away with.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      10:50am | 21/01/11

      Your stuck thinking this is a partisan thing about clubs Pork - I don’t care which club it is. It could be collingwood or Timbuktoo United playing all their games at the one ground I - don’t - care - who - it - is.

      Nor do I care if its the home teams club or the “away” club. The mere fact a draw is decided by saying “we should play as many games as possible at a venue that makes us more money” rather than saying - we should have a draw where every team is treated equal - means the competition - can’t actually be considered a sport anymore. Its just a convulted money gouging making system.

      Aussie Rules is a great game. But the AFL isn’t a sporting competition. Yout hink this is about Collingwood - its not they aren’t the only club that get treated differently. Its the AFL this is about.
      Aussie Rules is a great game but I frankly don’t see how a competition that doesn’t treat each club the same way can be taken seriously.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      10:52am | 21/01/11

      Oh an Pork as to “if you used to be a footy supporter - you never were”. Honestly mate do you think the only place people play footy is in the AFL?

    • Pork says:

      11:52am | 21/01/11

      HTPM,
      I support and understand four codes of football fluently.  I don’t think AFL is the only game.  And of course it is about money.  We live in a capitalist society.  It is the only system that even vaguely works for such horrid creatures such as humans. Why would clubs voluntarily decide to make less money by ensuring “integrity” in the draw?!? It is a bizarre concept. How do you ensure integrity by giving the smaller clubs less money?  And if that is the way you ensure it I’m not sure that integrity is a necessary commodity…  Perhaps your real issue is that there are more Melbourne sides than anything else and therefore they are advantaged by less travel that the Adelaides, Freos, Weagles, Brions and Swans must suck up.  That is a fair point. BUT it also means culling clubs to balance it up.  That will happen over time but I personally would be devastated to lose my club and wouldnt wish that on a North Melbourne, Melbourne, Hawthorn, St Kilda or Western Bulldogs fan.  I still feel for the Fitzroy fans.  Mind you, I could bear it happening to Carlton…
      As for your original point about comparing sporting action to historical military deeds, I agree with you to a point.  But Bill Gammage’s excellent book “The Broken Years” about the diggers experience in WWI makes the point that after the war many Australian’s believed the field of sport was a far preferable place to display valour, comradeship and heroism as no one generally died pointlessly.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:20pm | 21/01/11

      I don’t think you necessarily need to sacrifice sporting integrity to make money. Look at most of the European football leagues - most of the leagues involve playing each other home and away an equal number of times - and basing the champion on the results of that. With that and relegation it means every game matters too so no more tanking.

      People put the argument that you can’t do that in the AFL as there would be too many injuries - but this is pretty easy to avoid by having competent coaches who understand squad rotation - it would also give youngsters more games. It would mean more gates for the club - more tv money too.

      Look at Aussie rules before the AFL - the VFL, SANFL and WAFL where all financially viable and had fair draws.

      I get the sympathy for small club fans when there club gets killed but frankly - its going to happen to them anyway, Holding off on it is kinda like staying with a girl you no longer love for a few months after you decide your leaving her.

      Have AFL teams play each other home and away - and it would be a better competiton - making as much if not more mone. I suspect I’m not the only person in Australia who has decided to spend his/her time watching another competition because the AFL just feels dirty now.

    • S says:

      01:36pm | 20/01/11

      Rebecca Wilson wasn’t sacked because she was a woman.

      She was sacked because she’s a sad excuse for a sports journo. The impression I have of her is that if it’s not League, she doesn’t care one jot.

    • Flutz says:

      02:13pm | 20/01/11

      Agree 100% she is a sad excuse for a journalist.  And as far as her “care” for League - she has done more to publicly bring down the game than almost anyone.  She claims to love league but I cannot think of one single positive story she has written about this great game.  Sure there are negative stories to be told, but there are actually a lot more positive ones if she and her ilk would care to actually report them.

    • AJL says:

      02:35pm | 20/01/11

      Flutz-I was about to post the same thing about R.Wilson I have my theories about how she’s still employed, but won’t mention them because they’ll get this post canned.  I think she’s from a Union background, which would explain her almost fanatical hatred for League.
      If David wanted to mention a League commentator, why not Debbie Spillane, formerly an ABC sideline eye and later the Bulldogs media manager?
      Plenty of AFL fans I know thought Underwood was a poor caller, and I know almost nobody with a shred of respect for either Wilson (are they related?)

    • Muttley says:

      09:25am | 21/01/11

      And the reception she got on the footy show isnt surprising. There was a war of words that had been dragging on for years prior to her appearance. Not too surprising she wasnt greeted with open arms. I feel that was the reason behind the tension, not that she is female.

    • Dermott Banana says:

      01:37pm | 20/01/11

      Not being from Melbourne, I haven’t heard a lot of Underwood’s commentary, but the only occasion I did hear it, it struck me that - as a northerner, even I could pick errors.
      I’m not saying all the blokes on the commentary are flawless, but if we’re arguing that commentators should be chosen for skill and ability, a fair assessment’s required.

    • Wendy Wu Vaughan says:

      01:38pm | 20/01/11

      There are a lot of alternatives for sports guru,Keli Underwood as recommended By the The Punch big boss, David Penberthy.
      She could run for parliament ,state or federal, for Libs or ALP or Greens as she would not be seen as obnoxious there compared to others.
      Kelli Underwood should go to Channel 7 Aussie Rules Broadcasting or failing this, Kelli should be seen on Channel 9 AFL Footy Show or Channel 9 NRL Footy Show.
      Kelli Underwood could compare the Channel Nine Cricket Show or even broadcast on the Channel 9 cricket commentary team.Without Richie Benaud, the talent pool is drying up faster than a Queensland flood.
      Or like Shane Warne, Kelli UNderwood could be a good Tonight Show Host.

    • Garth Jones says:

      01:42pm | 20/01/11

      As an AFL fan who often got to here her commentating I must say I didn’t like her when compared to to hers. It wasn’t to do with what’s between her legs or between her ears, I just found her voice and delivery didn’t get me into the feel of the game.  Having said that there are many male commentators who I feel the same way about including Bruce McAvaney and Ray Warren (NRL).

    • Paul says:

      01:43pm | 20/01/11

      She was terrible, nothing to do with her sex.  Case in point I’m watching the footy and the girlfriend walks past, listens to the commentary for a bit then comes in and wants to know who is commentating because they are terrible… is she sexist?

    • Rossco says:

      01:43pm | 20/01/11

      Pathetic article Penbo. She was given the walk because she is terrible, full stop.

      I’d expect a male commentator of similar calibre to also be fired.

      Stop making it about tokenism and make sure that people who are hired for the job have the individual quality to do the job required. I don’t doubt one day we will get a high quality female football commentator.

    • MarK says:

      01:44pm | 20/01/11

      Me - I just thought she was awful.

      To be honest I have no idea if that was because she was a she. I just thought she was shit.

      Perhaps the 40% of respondents thought the same way. I hate Ray Warren calling league but hate swimming without his voice calling the shots.

      Does it really have to be either of your 2 choices? Very Ruddesque Penbo. Perhaps people simply didn’t like her.

    • Chapmonovich says:

      01:45pm | 20/01/11

      I’m one of those 39.5% who think Kelly Underwood is an annoying caller.

      Not because I’m sexist, and not because I don’t think she knows her stuff, but simply because her voice grates on me - pure and simple.

      Networks are driven by fans’ interaction because viewers = sponsorship. Underwood’s sacking is not sexist - it’s just business. They’ll be plenty more decisions like it in the future whether it’s a women commentator or not.

    • Tony T. Teacher says:

      01:46pm | 20/01/11

      Mick McGuane once said on 927 Sport that he didn’t like Underwood at all. Why? Well, according to Mick, Underwood was a bad commentator because she didn’t call what’s coming next as well as the male commentators. (Coincidentally, he was talking to Michael Christian, who is the bloke taking over from Underwood.) I would suggest that virtually NONE of the commentators call what’s coming next. In fact, virtually ALL of the commentators tell us the bleedin’ obvious: what we have just seen.

      Tim Lane: “What a magnificent goal. Robert, what about that?”

      Robert Walls: “Yep. Good goal.”

      Walls = fraud.

      Anthony Hudson is a shrieking nightmare.

    • Cameron says:

      02:04pm | 20/01/11

      What about Gerard Whateley?

    • Laura says:

      02:33pm | 20/01/11

      Completely agree.
      I saw that handball. And that kick. Yup, I realise that Murphy just kicked it to Judd. Because I saw it. On the TV. Except I saw it a full three seconds before you commentated it.

      *sigh*

      Hopefully Underwood’s legacy is that more females come up through the commentary ranks and challenge for the top jobs. When applicants (and talent) are 50/50 male/female we might start to see some change.

    • Tony T. Teacher says:

      06:22pm | 20/01/11

      Gerard Whateley often sounds as if he is searching for the tissue he has stuffed up his sleeve. A rolled gold pearl-clutcher.

      But apart from his histrionics, or rather herstrionics, I like his work.

    • dovif says:

      01:51pm | 20/01/11

      AFL is a blokes games? when did that happened

      It is a girls game

    • ibast says:

      02:41pm | 20/01/11

      Come on.  What’s more manly than running around in tight shorts and singlets, half cuddling each other then getting naked together afterwords?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      04:07pm | 20/01/11

      Don’t forget the fortune spent on hair.

    • Zeta says:

      01:58pm | 20/01/11

      I don’t mind AFL. It’s a great game - pity about the people who play it, own it, write about it and talk about it. I probably don’t like anyone who watches it either but I don’t know if I’ve met any.

      I can’t understand why no one thought of it sooner. Female commentators.

      After all, what is football of any stripe but a couple of dozen exceptionally fit young men roughly grabbing each other’s groins like it’s No Towel Tuesdays at Ken’s on Kensington? Women should love football, along with the entire homosexual population of Sydney. I lean towards the middle of the Kinsey scale myself under the right circumstances and seriously - football, no matter how stupid, is a hot mess.

      See Penbo, I don’t agree with you. I don’t think sexism as you mean it has anything to do it. I think this is a case of all out homosexual bias. 

      Considering that football, and sport in general, is an absolute sausage fest I would have thought the presence of a girl would be welcome. You really have to ask the question - just how gay is football? You look at the sporting establishment - there’s more dongs than St. Mary’s Cathedral on the Feast of St. Peter. It’s a jungle of erections out there.

      That they’ve so thouroughly rejected that female presence says to me - they want to keep women out so they can enjoy their scantily clad frottering to themselves.

    • Mayday says:

      03:12pm | 20/01/11

      Good point Zeta.

      The fuss over the AFL player nude photo’s is laughable, why so precious?

      Apparently, “in the old days” some of the players didn’t like the female commentators having access to the change rooms at half time and at the end of the game!

    • Dan says:

      01:59pm | 20/01/11

      Unfortunately, there is no getting around the typical AFL fan’s distaste for female involvement in sport; it has always been a boys club, a male pursuit, and it seems doubtful that the sport will ever evolve fast enough to keep pace with the level of gender equality in our society at large.  What would be a scandal in the corporate or political sphere is merely the status quo for sport.

    • David says:

      02:00pm | 20/01/11

      “Underwood might not have been a future Dennis Cometti.”

      Good. Cometti is the most over-rated of the callers.

    • Dave says:

      02:37pm | 20/01/11

      Strongly disagree with this - I think Cometti is one of the best commentators around, of any sport

    • kerry says:

      02:44pm | 20/01/11

      Agree. I’m surprised the rugged AFL followers can bear his pretentious tones - more British than the British. Definitely not a home-grown ocker accent.

      Kelli was okay. A bit breathless for my taste but then so are most of the blokes, except Drew Morphett.

    • simone says:

      02:01pm | 20/01/11

      Now, if only 9 will implement similar polling and get rid of eddie….

      but in all seriousness, its not sexism, i would love Caroline Wilson commentating, but Kelli drove me nuts!

    • Tex Ranger says:

      02:02pm | 20/01/11

      My wife is an avid footy follower and couldn’t stand Underwood.

      Is it possible that she was dumped because she wasn’t much good?  Her commentary predominantly came across as her trying too hard to force excitement that wasn’t necessarily there.

      Neither of us would mind a female caller provided that she (or any male caller, as a matter of fact) didn’t try to yell through every aspect of the play.

      In the same way that not all male commentators are in the mould of Cometti, neither are all female commentators going to be in the mould of Underwood.

      Maybe they just need to give another woman a go.  It seems more logical than making allegations about protectionism and sexism.

    • Cameron says:

      02:03pm | 20/01/11

      I think you are jumping to conclusions here David. To be honest she was an average commentator who copied many other commentator’s styles, particularly the brilliant Gerard Whateley.
      I don’t think she was the most annoying commentator (that would be Robert Walls) but I didn’t find her adequate enough to think this was some conspiracy.

    • Samuel says:

      02:10pm | 20/01/11

      I won’t deny there is plenty of sexism in football, nor will I deny that some people out there do not like Underwood because she’s a woman. But must we always view events through the antagonistic lens of gender/race/sexuality/whatever? Surely it’s a good sign there’s an absence of sexism that she was hired in the first place. It seems that it didn’t work out.  Why does it then have to be about discrimination and sexism? What if it isn’t? Do we believe that, for the sake of sexism, when a positive step is taken - like hiring a female commentator for the AFL - the powers that be must stick to that decision no matter what? No matter how good or otherwise she is. Are we expected to right the wrongs of inequality by keeping people on regardless of their competence? Doesn’t that just cheapen the real, genuine instances of inequality that many women face every day?

      Maybe, just maybe, just this once, there is no conspiracy, no ulterior motive, no faceless men pushing the buttons - maybe she just isn’t very good.

    • Glen Edac says:

      02:13pm | 20/01/11

      You had the high moral ground fortified until you unleashed ” Indeed Bruce can get so giddy with excitement that he actually sounds more like a girl than Underwood ever could” - because girls are more likely to be giddy with excitement, right?

      She was a very average commentator amongst many other average commentators.

    • Karl says:

      02:29pm | 20/01/11

      I would argue not that it was sexist that she was sacked, but that it was sexist that a lesser qualified applicant who speaks in cliches and has an annoying voice got the job in the first place over a more suitable male applicant.

    • Dave Charlesworth says:

      03:06pm | 20/01/11

      Karl you may of just head the nail fair and square on the head!!!!

    • Dave says:

      02:36pm | 20/01/11

      Penbo do you watch the AFL mate? Have you heard her commentate?

      I have listened to her several times, and I genuinely did not like her style, or her voice. It had nothing to do with her being female. No offence to her and I wish her the best.

    • NSW says:

      02:40pm | 20/01/11

      Does anyone else find Michael Slater the most irritating and annoying commentator to ever enter the commentary box?

    • Mike says:

      04:01pm | 20/01/11

      I agree. He is hopeless, annoying and heavily biased. Anyone watching The Ashes for the first time would assume that we were winning. And easily!

    • Condoseres says:

      07:07pm | 20/01/11

      I’ll third that. He was a great opening batsman in his day, but as commentator he actually makes me want to switch the cricket off. And that’s no mean feat.

    • Mike says:

      02:42pm | 20/01/11

      Am I the only person who get’s tired of the absurd ‘anti-PC’ brigade? In this case it doesn’t even make sense. Underwood wasn’t employed due to any political agenda - it was a marketing idea. And a very valid one.

      Penbo writes an article that basically says “geez, that was a bit rough” and everyone acts like he is burning his bra.

    • dtcMCMLXXII says:

      02:43pm | 20/01/11

      Your last paragraph is factually incorrect as I understand it Penbo. Kelli will still be heard calling AFL on ABC radio

    • AD says:

      02:55pm | 20/01/11

      Just as many women as men watch AFL, and since you didn’t mention anything about gender split in the article or provide a link to the original survey, one has to assume that you have no idea how many of those 39.5% of viewers polled were men or women.  So protraying this as some kind of men-being-sexist-pigs issue is ridiculous. 

      The fact is that many people, male AND female, find Kelli Underwood’s voice really irritating.  It’d be one thing hearing her chipping in with the occasional “special comment”, but hearing her voice giving the constant play-by-play commentary is just plain painful.

      Whenever I was watching a game she was calling it’d be off with the TV volume and on with the radio commentary.  Which also means I wasn’t listening to any of the important messages from channel 10’s valuable sponsors, meaning I was less likely to purchase any of the high-quality goods and services they were spending good money to inform me about.

    • kerry says:

      02:56pm | 20/01/11

      The worst commentator by a long shot would have to be that screecher creecher Rex Hunt, followed closely by the no-nothing Malcolm Blight. Er er what do you think X should have done? FFS Blighty was a coach. He’s there for his opinions, not seeking out others’.
      Kelli Underwood’s voice and commentary was on a par with many of the blokes - fair to middling.
      Kate Fitzpatrick was a hopeless cricket commentator.
      Caroline Wilson has botoxed herself out - can’t understand what she’s saying.
      Kristy Malthouse was/is okay
      Sam Lane’s voice cracks a bit, but she’s getting better with less stage fright, or maybe I’m just getting used to her. Hope she’s a boundary rider soon.

    • HappyCynic says:

      03:17pm | 20/01/11

      Girls can be pretty good commentators, Christie Malthouse used to be a pretty good sideline commentator (not sure if she still does it) but all commentators in all sports are pretty sh*t, even the best ones suck, especially those rubbish soccer commentators in the UEFA league etc.

      As a result I prefer to watch the footy (whatever code, it’s all good) or the F1, cricket etc with the volume on mute and play some music instead.

    • Jenni says:

      03:17pm | 20/01/11

      I am a woman, and a mad, rabid AFL fan, and I thought she was shit. Nobody except the decision makers will ever *know* if that’s why she was sacked or not, but I don’t much care, I’m just thankful she’s gone.

      Dennis Cometti forever smile

    • B says:

      03:17pm | 20/01/11

      this is just pointless political correctness.  were we listening to the same woman?  She was absolutely rubbish.  She sounded like cats in a bag reading from an AFL textbook several seconds behind play if she even got the names right.  I couldnt believe how bad she was and is for both seasons.  At the time I thought she must have been kept for both seasons because she was female, and it looks like that was the case.

      If she was a man she would have been fired before she got 2 games let alone 2 seasons.  I couldnt stand to listen to her useless and ill-timed comments in that voice which increases in irritation until id mute the tv and turn on the radio.  People just always single out race, gender, sexual orientation, whatever…every single time; it doesnt matter what it is, as long as the person is different from the rest their gross incompotence is wholeheartedly ignored, it could ONLY be discrimination.

      Oh and especially get stuffed with the double standards.  like ‘give her more time to get better’...wait what?  I am also not an ex-afl player and can do an ordinary line of commentary, which could surely only get better with time, so wheres my shot at the big time?

      Wanting her to have more time to improve is a massive double standard that is not and would not be granted to a man.  If she wants to improve she can commentate on games of lesser stature like anyone else would have to; millions of viewers shouldnt have to suffer just because shes a woman and therefore immune to being judged on her merits because she fulfills a PC image.

      Even if she did improve, that voice just grates me and almost everyone fan I know, many females included (the majority of the women that agreed she was rubbish also shared the view shes been given a ride because of her gender)

    • SM says:

      03:20pm | 20/01/11

      she was never able to generate atmosphere or feeling with her commentary

    • pebe says:

      03:25pm | 20/01/11

      her calling wasnt awful, but it was her banter that ruined her. shen she mentioned that a western australian player, who elevated from country playing (not WAFL) to AFL as having alot of experience at subi, I stopped listening to her, and that was not the stupidest thing she said.

      every game she did, she would put her foot in it. the other commentators would go quiet when she did so because it was so obvious.

      it is sad that they unceremoniously dumped her and worse that they made a public announcement about her demotion. I feel bad for her but I am glad she is gone

    • Lazy Jesus says:

      03:25pm | 20/01/11

      ‘There are enough women who’ve been relegated, rubbished and ridiculed in the world of sports broadcasting that they could get together and form their own network’.

      So why don’t they (outside of the obvious cost issues)? I’m sure it’d be a ratings bonanza!

    • Benno says:

      03:27pm | 20/01/11

      It’s a shame Underwood was the only trail blazer ... she knew her stuff but I didn’t like her style a whole lot. Perhaps she suffered from trying to sound like old men - bluster and all.
      But at least she called the game, identified players with the ball, described what they were doing and where on the field they were doing it. Bruce and some of his mates just give you an evaluation, not any kind of description: “Swan was teriffic” ... “Goodes was fantastic” ... “Kirk was strooong” ... without describing that one was stealing the ball out of the arms of another, the next was bursting through a pack, and the third was finding the ball beneath said pack and getting it out.
      Underwood was far from the worst commentator around. It’s a shame to say she was one of the better ones. Just tell me Ricky Olerenshaw doesn’t still have a job behind a mike ...

    • Gregg says:

      03:28pm | 20/01/11

      Can’t say as I ever had feelings about her either way or really in fact knew she was there Penbo for it’s the game as you say and we often do not get replays in the flooded state until 2AM!

      I think you may have summed it up pretty well with
      ” Underwood should regard her shafting not as a reflection on her own talents, but as the supine capitulation of a TV network to the less bright but more vocal percentage of the AFL’s fan base. It does men in general a disservice for anyone to suggest that she was uniformly disliked by us; most blokes I know who share a passion for this great game are much more interested in what’s happening on the screen, than the person in the box who’s talking about it.
      Capitualtion being the key word other shafted!

      Glad you had something following the comma following that first sentence though the thought is entertaining too as sport should be.
      A gutless act on part of ten though.

      A lot of newbie commentators take time to develop their skills and most are given the junior roles unless you are a Shane Warne and I suppose doing all that texting as a boundary rider wouldn’t look too good.

      That’s a thought, maybe Sammie could go into the Cricket box to add a bit of spice and Shane could try the boundary, bit od cross fertilisation and might even rub off to acheive an improved cricket performance.

    • S.L says:

      03:32pm | 20/01/11

      A good commentator can make a game for the viewer. The Tennis had a rain delay the other night so I channel surfed and found a netball test between Australia and Jamaica in the Carrabean. Knowing Jamaica are no bums and we are World Champs I settled in. Besides it being a close game the (male) Jamaican commentator was a classic!  Without showing any biase he lived and died by the goal shooting of both teams. His voice went up 5 octaves when Jamaica scored and you would have thought his foot had been cut off with a chainsaw when we did.  A classic I will remember for a long time!  Jamaica won…........

    • nankypoo says:

      07:23am | 21/01/11

      Given the other comments here about women not being able to commentate because they have never played AFL at national level, why are men commentating on netball at a national and INTERNATIONAL level? Not just the Jamaican guy (and he WAS a hoot - especially his pronunciation of the players’ names, Sharelle McMahon became Sherryl Mac Ma Hoan), but also Jason Robilliard et al.

    • Lauren says:

      03:35pm | 20/01/11

      Underwood was awful though. Still, I don’t see Channel Ten replacing her with another female commentator, or continuing the so-called ‘experiment’...

      Come on girls in the media, there’s got to be at least one of us that can show the rest of us how its done.

    • Steve says:

      03:58pm | 20/01/11

      Wow, imagine the communist’s condemnation if they sacked a lesbian Muslim Aboriginal amputee commentator that also happened to be bad at their job.

    • James says:

      03:58pm | 20/01/11

      She sucked. Plain and simple. Other commentators have been sacked for sucking at their job as well.
      There are plenty of females doing commentary in sport that are fantastic and have the voice for it. If Liz Ellis was a football fan and commentated AFL games I’m sure there would be great support for her.

      As for Caroline Wilson, she can be very good and very bad at times like every football journalist. In my opinion she’s one of the more consistent good ones.

      Rebecca Wilson is another story. Messing up simple facts constantly. Who can remember her rookie story on Keiran Jack? Deplorable.

      Sexism exists, but to say that’s why people like Underwood and Rebecca Wilson are criticised is very small minded and popularist.

    • Ben says:

      04:19pm | 20/01/11

      “One thing Kelli Underwood lacked as a commentator…?”

      Emotion.

    • God says:

      04:22pm | 20/01/11

      Its a market, if the people watching don’t want to hear women (sexist or not) then the provider will give whats asked for. This article is a pretty average attempt at getting on a high horse and telling the laymen(us) that we are chauvenistic cretons. Kellie Underwood was useless, fullstop. She’s gone, others will come but the real sexism is in signalling her firing as being gender related. A great irony given this blokes attempt to sound so above everyone with his ‘proggressive’ views.

    • RB says:

      04:22pm | 20/01/11

      I’d be interested to know what percentage of that 39.5% were women.

    • Moron says:

      04:22pm | 20/01/11

      Did Underwood have a sex change operation in the last 2 years????  How can you say they sacked her for being a female when they gave her the job in the first place or wasnt she a female then????
      Maybe the reason they did take her out of the commentary box was because the general public did not like her, and her voice was as bad as running finger nails down a black board.

    • TrevB says:

      04:27pm | 20/01/11

      She was boring with little personality and couldnt win over the fans. Ok as a radio sports news presenter but not able to hold it together for more than a few minutes and never sounded as if she could present the game with enthusiasm and confidence.
      A shame really because a good female voice and perspective would perhaps open the doors for more women to become involved at that level.

    • Lew says:

      04:29pm | 20/01/11

      No offence Kelli, but I think this is a good move as she was a fairly ordinary caller, it just didnt seem to fit.

    • Lorissa says:

      04:30pm | 20/01/11

      Who is she?

    • Anthony says:

      04:30pm | 20/01/11

      Why did they drop her from commentating AFL? Its played and supported by a bunch of girls anyway.

    • Michael says:

      04:31pm | 20/01/11

      What an absolute joke! Kelli Underwood has been succinct and factual in her footy commentary. I thought how refreshing in this blokey bloke regime. She brought spark to a tired and lacklustre male commentary team. Oh dear, oh dear, what a mistake to dump her!

    • Bella18 says:

      04:33pm | 20/01/11

      I always thought she would suit radio better.  As a tv viewer, I don’t need a commentator to narrate every single occurance when I can see what is happening.

    • Gringo says:

      04:37pm | 20/01/11

      Thank god she got the boot, now I can watch a game without having to hear her rancid voice… A major step forward for for footy on tv…

    • Andre says:

      04:39pm | 20/01/11

      Most of the commenters here have said that Underwoods voice was annoying, hence the boot, but then if that logic applied shouldn’t we boot out other annoying voices? Phil Goulds voice sh*ts me to tears, as does Rex Hunts, yet they still find employment. Gould annoys me especially as he always sounds like a grumpy bastard. Cheer up sad sack, I’m trying to enjoy a bloody game.

    • HOK says:

      08:22pm | 20/01/11

      Yep, Gould is a dick -  except for Sunday afternoons when the Tigers are playing. He peps up then

    • Kate says:

      04:39pm | 20/01/11

      Her voice was quite grating, but she did have a fairly good grasp of the game and will do well in a ‘special comments’ role.

      It’s not just female commentators who suffer from the grating voice problem though, Rex Hunt used to drive me mental.
      In Kelli’s defence, at least she didn’t have a hugely obvious bias towards any one team. Listening to Robert Walls discuss Carlton is just painful, it sounds like he should be in the cheer squad.

    • Paul says:

      04:41pm | 20/01/11

      A pathetic piece. Underwood’s strine adds absolutely nothing to the call and she deserved to go without doubt. Rebecca Wilson is the most low-rent bottom feeder in Australian journalism. her articles lack any sense of objectiveness and she always has an agenda to push

    • Good Riddance says:

      04:42pm | 20/01/11

      What a load of rubbish. She was a shocking commmentator, over the top/try hard impersonator of Dennis Commetti. Had to hit the mute button every time she was on, it was like listening to nails scraping down a chalkboard.
      Had nothing to do with her grasp of the game. Plenty of bad male callers have got the boot over the years.

    • TR says:

      04:43pm | 20/01/11

      Why don’t you discuss how she got the job in the first place? i dare say her sex played a role in that!

      In any case, she knows her footy, just sounds terrible.

    • Eric says:

      04:50pm | 20/01/11

      i guess when you’re an ex-Tele editor you occasionally need to resort to publicly demonstrating your feminist sensibilities like this, particularly while romantically tangled with a leftie.  more credible evidence of Penbo’s feminist convictions would however be something to say about the Tele’s relentlessly unfair attacks on Keneally and Gillard, rather than these specious argument about Kelli Underwood and, spare me, the Wilsons as exemplary sports journalists.

    • Marty says:

      04:51pm | 20/01/11

      Hi David, a well-written piece with some interesting points. However, I invite you to watch highlights of Geelong v Hawthorn, round 17, 2009 on YouTube. Listen to the last minute or so and tell me Underwood is not a horrible commentator. If you can make out what the hell she is saying, you’re a better man than me.

    • sds says:

      05:04pm | 20/01/11

      It’s simple. It sounds weird hearing a chicks voice commentate AFL.

      Get over it.

    • carl palmer says:

      05:07pm | 20/01/11

      Around 50% of ALF attendances or memberships – not sure which figure the AFL uses are made up of women, it would be fair to deduce that 50% of the 39% would have been women. This would make the rest of your article a wacky and screwy rant.

      I disagree, she should have gone a long time ago. I know a couple of females that have the same view – get her off. If there is AFL footy on fox, irrespective of who is playing, they will turn 10 off and go to Fox.

      Poor one Penbo.

    • Samantha says:

      05:08pm | 20/01/11

      I’m all for a female commentators, Christie Malthouse was a great boundary rider for the AFL and gave great insight into the game. But Kelli Underwood tried too hard to be “one of the boys” and it was bloody awful to listen to. I muted the games rather than listen to her call. As for Rebecca and Caroline Wilson, I’m happy to listen to their opinions on sport as they don’t change the way they call and their knowledge base is great. You don’t need to join the boys club to call male dominated sport and that’s what Kelli needs to realise.

    • Harry says:

      05:10pm | 20/01/11

      Sexists yea right I believe and hope another female commentator will come though the system soon enough,  the fact that she made my ears bleed with her voice not her GENDER is what would of been in peoples minds when voting in that poll.

      I would have to agree 100% with AD @  02:55pm, when ever Kelly was commentating you would put up with it for a while then after a quarter you would be reaching for the volume or tuning into a different radio station. Female/male friends all agree after lightening to her commentate,  after a while you simply cannot go on.

      I wish her all the best in her future endeavours, hopefully she can find her niche software. Who knows she might be taking this all on-board and turns it around while working for the ABC/Grandstand this year.

      If only 10 would do the same to Robert Walls..

    • Matthew says:

      05:11pm | 20/01/11

      What a joke of an article.  You seriously can’t believe what you wrote, can you ?

      She is by far the most irritating commentator on TV, or may I say, was.

      She was voted the worst, even in the face of such hated commentators such as Robert Walls and Malcom Blight.

      Her voice is not suited for commentating.  Pretty much behind the 8-ball from the get-go wouldn’t you think.

      But you lefties crack me up.  Never take any accountability or responsibility, and always looking for someone else to blame.

      She wasn’t good enough.  Just like Christine Nixon wasn’t good enough on Black Saturday, but the lefties will all come out and claim anyone who complains as *ist or *phobe.

    • Ed Hobbs says:

      05:13pm | 20/01/11

      To suggest that the only reason Underwood has been fired is because of her gender, as articulated in the article is disingenuous and totally unsubstantiated. If her gender mattered why was she given a two year trial in the first place? This backdown is at least as humiliating for her employer as it is for her.Transcribe what Kelli Underwood has commentated in AFL games and it displays an undrstanding equal to some of her counterparts, particularly at Network 10. It’s simply a matter of aesthetics: her broadcast voice is grating, fatiguing and unpleasant. Andy Maher’s work should be confined to print on the very same basis. That being said, it’s no justification for writing a grovelling, fanciful piece of nonsense like this.

    • Jason Mc says:

      05:13pm | 20/01/11

      What was sexist was Michael Christian getting less air time to allow Underwood’s experiment.

      It is Michael Christian who was discriminated against on the basis of him being a male.  Why should a guy of his calibre be cast aside just so a woman can be tried.  No real basis for his demotion.

      As for Caroline Wilson-  best football journalist. CHOKE.  Most senstaional seeker maybe.  Has she ever been able to write about tactics or on field happenings to any major extent. ?

    • Ashley says:

      05:13pm | 20/01/11

      They all pale in significance to the late great Howard Cosell.  If only Australia had as someone as great as he was!

    • zim zim says:

      05:14pm | 20/01/11

      What a joke. It’s simple, she was no good. David’s just got his cheque by calling it sexist.

    • Kirk says:

      05:15pm | 20/01/11

      Heres the main reason why she got removed - People above her believed they would make more money without her then with her at the end of the day.

    • JMc says:

      05:19pm | 20/01/11

      She was sacked beacuse she was bad.  She was hired ONLY because she was a woman.

      The only sexist thing was hiring her in the first place. Michael Christian should sue.  He has the proven skill set. He was discriminated against.

    • Alistair says:

      05:20pm | 20/01/11

      She should take her sacking as a favour and get out of it completely as quick as she can.  Why would she want to commentateon one of the worst ‘sports’ in the world, watched by a bunch of clowns who don’t know the ‘rules’? She was only an expirement

    • King Diamond says:

      05:24pm | 20/01/11

      Have you actually watched a game she’s called? If you had, you would have realized she was dropped because her voice sounds hideous, not because she was female. Terrible article.

    • Brad says:

      05:25pm | 20/01/11

      The problem I had with her was her voice. Nothing to do with gender.

    • stephen says:

      05:29pm | 20/01/11

      You were complaining once you couldn’t write.
      Have you just sobered up ?

    • Kelvin says:

      05:29pm | 20/01/11

      Maybe the reason is that she doesn’t have a good voice for broadcasting. Without that why should she be in the commentary box.

    • Scott says:

      05:33pm | 20/01/11

      David as the wrtier of this piece, have you really listened to her commentary.  It’s just bloody awfull & that is being polite.  “not a reflection of her own talents”..what the hell else do you think it was.  I appreciate Channel 10’s attempt to give her a chance, but would have been better suited to a Christi Malthouse.  One of the best female commentators around at the moment would have to be Kelly Tilghman for her PGA coverage.  Nothing short of brilliant & not to mention the fact she was wrongly suspended for her comments on Tiger, which was absolutely hillarious.  Even Tiger had no problems with it

    • Errol says:

      05:41pm | 20/01/11

      If we don’t want a harping fishwife calling sport, then we don’t want a harping fishwife calling sport. It’s a really simple concept, Penbo. Trying to dress it up as sexism is just bloody stupid.

    • Tim says:

      05:46pm | 20/01/11

      What she said was fine. Just as good as anybody else. It was HOW she said it, which was as annoying as nails being scraped across a blackboard.

    • Speak the truth says:

      05:52pm | 20/01/11

      When I turn the telly on and hear her voice I change the TV. Same as when I here that idiot on FOX who has been doing the 20/20 cricket lately and the NRL. I prefer to listen to people who have a clue not wannabees - Been there done thats only!!!!

    • bob says:

      05:53pm | 20/01/11

      Man’s game - male commentators. Women’s sport - women commentators. Next ball please.

    • Brett says:

      06:02pm | 20/01/11

      LOL

      Got to love The Punch.  A woman loses her job and not for a second is there a balanced analysis of whether she was any good at her job.  It’s reduced to a bottom line howler of she’s a woman so that must be the reason.

      I bet there was much hand wringing when we couldn’t find any other of the disadvantaged groups we could have pigeon holed in her into as being yet another reason why she was sacked.

      Can’t The Punch rise above man vs woman?  Surely we can?

    • Big_red_ says:

      06:04pm | 20/01/11

      Melanie Mclaughlin has boobs AND is widely respected!
      In your mind this probably isn’t relevant but she also has knowledge, talent and a sexy voice.
      Just saying…..

    • rodda says:

      06:06pm | 20/01/11

      Sorry but i am sick of hearing her cliches which are used at semi-appropriate times. It is frustrating.If you really want to worry about discrimination how come there aint any asian’s commentating? or any sudanese? or any homosexuals?

    • Mike says:

      06:16pm | 20/01/11

      The neanderthals’ win again.  And of course the AFL didn’t have a hand in this.

    • The Axe says:

      06:17pm | 20/01/11

      I can’t believe so many people commented on this topic. It’s just football. But I hear you say; “there’s more at stake here”. Like what? The people spoke. The Tv Channel reacted in a business fashion. That’s showbiz.

    • Hugh says:

      06:20pm | 20/01/11

      I disagree with all you saying you didnt like her, therefore she deserved the chop

      There are many, many more male commentators who should have been chopped before her:
      Rob “Most biased caller / I am responsible for brisbanes roll at start of 2000’s” Walls
      Bruce “clearly gay” mcivaney
      Anthony “gay for Bruce” Hudson
      Luke “im only here as a tall, square jaw white man” d’arcy

      As for sexism in the commentary box - I’d
      say racism is much more prevalent.
      I’d love to see a few of our aborignals involved on a network level - mcadam et
      al do a bloody good job with their footy show.
      Or maybe some if the Italian community that have provided many, many footy players

      But i fear we’ll have nothing but white men calling “their” game for a number of years

    • James says:

      06:21pm | 20/01/11

      This author of this article has written an extreme opinion piece with un-substantiated assumptions that are offensive to those of us who didnt enjoy Kellies calling. All purely to generate discussion and increased revenue to their publishers. you cant trust journalists.

    • Debbie F says:

      06:23pm | 20/01/11

      Sorry Kelli - whilst us girls like to think we can do everything the blokes do, we just can’t.  We can’t pee standing up, and we can’t adequately call sport.  The only woman on earth who can reasonably call sport is Liz Ellis.  A woman’s voice is immensely annoying when she gets excited - which is why I can’t stand watching women’s cricket ... all that screeching is like fingernails down a blackboard.  Mind you ... women’s cricket is booooring!!

    • Shane says:

      06:26pm | 20/01/11

      I’d listen to Kellie Underwood instead of Dennis Cometti any time.

    • John C says:

      06:28pm | 20/01/11

      Her voice is terrible. Simple as that.

      The woman from the old AFL FoxSports TV channel was good, give her a go.

    • Damien says:

      06:29pm | 20/01/11

      Absolutely correct!

      One thing Kelli Underwood lacks as a footy commentator…ability!

    • just the way it is says:

      06:29pm | 20/01/11

      I hate to admit, being a female and all, but it does seem that women in sport,womens sport and women commentating sport never seems to gain any traction.I have come to realise that at a primal level , humans seem to get more gratification in watching men slug it out and always have all throughout history.

    • Louisa says:

      06:30pm | 20/01/11

      Males get away with it. Have you listened to 2GB lately?

    • Mark says:

      06:50pm | 20/01/11

      I don’t give two squirts of duck shit if she is a woman. Simple fact is her commentary was terrible. She sounded if she was reading off cue cards that were about ten seconds behind.

    • Kathy says:

      06:59pm | 20/01/11

      I agree with Mitch. Kelli has an extremely annoying voice. I used to watch the TV and listen to the commentary on the radio. I for one am very glad she has got the axe. Another sports commentator they should get rid of is Tubby Taylor, he too has an annoying voice and dribbles a load of poo.

    • Crispy says:

      07:09pm | 20/01/11

      No doubt about it, sexism’s played a huge role here.
      Kellie wasn’t great, but she wasn’t the worst.
      So it’s a simple equation, sexism played a role in this outcome.
      Poor call Channel 10.

      PS. I’m a bloke.

    • BB says:

      07:12pm | 20/01/11

      Wow, and if it was male who was sacked??? well it would not have even made the 52nd page of the local rag…... big deal. Her job was to be publicly liked and for what ever reason she was’nt, end of story…..! yes feminists, off your horse and back into your 1960’s hole!

    • RB says:

      07:19pm | 20/01/11

      When I first heard he commentating my first thought was, “Who is this annoying woman and why wasn’t Christi Malthouse given a shot?”

    • Max says:

      07:27pm | 20/01/11

      What would the beer swilling, redneck, bogan fans of rugby league know about being good commentator? I’m surprised 100% of these apes did not vote against her. By the way I hope the survey was in picture form, because none of them would be able to read…..

    • learn to read says:

      10:19pm | 20/01/11

      Max, the topic is footy, not rugby leaugue.Dont run off at the mouth without even knowing what the topic is.

    • Jim says:

      10:45am | 21/01/11

      As one of those ‘beer swilling, redneck, bogan fans of rugby league’ may I suggest that the story be re-done in picture form, so Max can realise it was an AFL thing?

    • Ben says:

      07:28pm | 20/01/11

      The only players she knew were Geelong players, 10 times per game she would call the wrong name out. That is poor research. Added to the fact she was 5 seconds behind the play describing how green the grass was after someone had kicked the ball is the main reason people did not like her. NOT because of her gender.

    • Brody says:

      07:33pm | 20/01/11

      It’s got nothing to do with her genitals, it’s her bloody annoying voice.

    • Scott says:

      07:36pm | 20/01/11

      Every women I know who loves AFL couldnt stand her voice (and a few guys too).

      The decision wasnt sexist - it was based on the dislike of her voice. This article is sexist and over the top PC for suggesting it was. Why must there be claims of sexism just because a female loses her job?

    • T Sanim says:

      07:48pm | 20/01/11

      Well said David - It’s not just Adelaidians who are fearful chauvinists. Funny thing is - we the second class females are huge sports supporters who are bringing up the next generation of sports participants and supporters. I’m disappointed that once again there’s a view that there’s nothing a woman can add in terms of value to the game and its future - how shortsighted.

    • Rachel says:

      07:50pm | 20/01/11

      Are you not yourself displaying sexism by assuming that football is a game watched mostly by men? I, as a woman, and keen football fan, found Kelli Underwood’s commentary to be boring and monotonous. Some enthusiasm from her would have been great, but there was none.

    • BY says:

      07:53pm | 20/01/11

      Who cares what she sounds like - its TV not radio.  If we are going to go with the “annoying voice theory” then get rid of Anthony Hudson, who’s triangular head and whiney voice surely should get him out of a job.

    • Daniel says:

      07:55pm | 20/01/11

      She got sacked because she wasn’t any good not because of her sex. Thank God she’s been banished to the sidelines.

    • Wendy says:

      09:53pm | 20/01/11

      Here’s a brief clip of her commentating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P50iJTjSUOQ

      She got the sack because she annoying as hell to listen to, no more no less. Stop trying to drum it into something that it’s not!

    • Footy Fan says:

      09:54pm | 20/01/11

      There was nothing wrong with her commentating, she said all the right things and new her stuff. But she just had the most annoying and winey voice that I could barely stand it. I’m not even saying that woments voices are annoying. just her voice in particular.

    • Andrew says:

      10:04pm | 20/01/11

      I would suggest that the percentage is much higher. Almost everyone I spoke with didn’t like her call.
      You may be supporting her because she is your mate and that is commendable however suggesting that she was dropped as a commentator because of sexism, is pretty poor journalism and certainly below your standards.

    • Anthony says:

      10:57pm | 20/01/11

      Irritating voice & one cliche after another (dobs it through the big sticks etc etc) - I couldn’t stand listening to her. And to tell you the truth I think Dennis Commetti is way overrated (a good voice but talk about try hard) & just as annoying.

    • Andy says:

      11:32pm | 20/01/11

      I stopped reading after I read “The Age’s Caroline Wilson might be one of the best football writers of all time”. what a joke, idiot author get out of here.

    • Sorry Kelli . . . .. but ....... says:

      11:32pm | 20/01/11

      very annoying sound - it stopped me watching and I am definately pro women doing what ever they want.
      Sorry but I think she had to go.

    • Dave Clayton says:

      11:37pm | 20/01/11

      i found her voice whiney and she was using far to many analogies for things that we’re actually relevant during certain moments of the game. In saying this she did have a good grasp of the game. But i would still rather listen to Malcolm Blight talk about ‘how in the time i played, it was done like this’ than listen to annoying voice again.

    • Servaas says:

      12:15am | 21/01/11

      I take from the comments above this woman has a voice quite the opposite of the homeless man with golden voice recently discovered in the US.

      At the end of the day the Sports channels aim to produce informative, knowledgeable and, in countries such as the US and Aus especially, entertaining broadcasts.

      What attracts me to watching games on tv, especially major tournaments or matches (such as the Grand Final - the only AFL game I can watch live each year seeing that I live in South Africa) is the history behind it, the way in which the competitors’ approach to the game resemble and display the particular culture they represent (especially international games) and obviously the high level of skill on display.

      Their is a great amount of history and tradition involved in these type of things, and although I’m not in support of traditions necessarily dictating how should do life, sport remains a show in many ways, it is entertainment, and if the fans and even the broadcasters believe male voices to better contribute to the atmosphere, I’d say it is more than fine to let her go for reasons referred to as ‘sexism’ above. Not that that was the case but even if it was, so what? There is a difference between rugby players gang raping a girl and not liking a female voice when watching footy or whatever it is that you follow.

      Some guys have shocking voices as well but they ad to the atmosphere seeing that they played there themselves for instance but if they can’t produce insightful comments I believe their ex-player status isn’t enough to keep them on. And if a particular woman, ads to what a sport is about, there could be a reason to keep her. I’d say it is sexist to use women as sex dolls on display at the events, not firing them as commentators.

    • Michael says:

      01:07am | 21/01/11

      She has a naggy and grating voice. That’s it, end of discussion.

      Malcolm Blight next to go please.

    • Leon says:

      01:49am | 21/01/11

      I couldn’t stand Underwood for three reasons, firstly her voice is terrible for any form of broadcast, secondly she never shut up and let the more knowledgeable commentators speak, and lastly she constantly called players by other players names, if you dont know your content you shouldnt do a job, i wouldn’t ask a plumber to service my car.

    • Kev says:

      06:29am | 21/01/11

      To me it shows the underlying issue with AFL, its loud crude and sexist. This underlying culture is why we see so many players at all levels acting poorly with respect to alcohol and or women. Never a week goes by with out somebody being chastised for some offence. Most of the AFL shows are little more that block having a session at the pub, without the drinks perhaps. However these are again low witted and typically derogatory in nature. Unfortunately the supporter base has been trained into accepting this as normal behaviour, to the point it is expected, and those who do not provide it are outed. Kelli Underwood did not fit in she is intelligent, has a sense of hummer and moral values. AFL has, and is continuing to decline in support, people are realising how poor the culture around it actually is.

    • Peter says:

      06:58am | 21/01/11

      My fiance groaned whenever her team was on TV on a Saturday afternoon “Don’t tell me we have to put up with that annoying voice again!”

      For some it may be a gender based reason, but for us we like our ear drums in tact thank you very much.

      Or maybe my fiance just doesn’t like women…

    • Caroline Fisher says:

      07:56am | 21/01/11

      i am a woman annd i couldnt stand her. some of the things that she would say made her sound so stupid. she was giving woman in fotty a bad name.

    • Andrew says:

      07:59am | 21/01/11

      I’m glad Kelli Underwood is gone, not because she is a women or because of her calling ability. Its simply because of her horrible voice, which is like nails on a chalk board to me and gets worse when she tries to convey excitement in the game.

    • Tim S says:

      08:17am | 21/01/11

      Hats off to you Kelli for giving it a go. Turns out you really are hard to listen to. Unfortunate for you, but thats life. Atleast you’ve gained huge publicity..

    • Emme says:

      08:21am | 21/01/11

      If she sucked at her job, then fine, sack her. But I had a conversation with a ‘gentleman’ yesterday who said she had no place commentating because she was female and never played the game. I’ve never played in the NBA but I could give you a hell of a debate over stats and teams and playing styles.. My gender has nothing to do with my level of knowledge.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      08:23am | 21/01/11

      I’m with many of the posts here.  I didn’t particularly care much for her commentary style but it was nothing to do with her gender.  What hasn’t been mentioned yet though is that Ten are giving the extra games to Michael Christian.  He’s even worse!!!

      Footy commentators should stop trying to out-scream each other anyway and pay more attention to some of the great match broadcasters from overseas, like Martin Tyler, Joe Buck & Dick Stockton.  Those are the guys to borrow from.  Know your stuff, add to what’s on screen rather than simply describe it and don’t treat your viewers like idiots.

    • Benny Bunza says:

      08:29am | 21/01/11

      Actually I don’t think she was a very good commentator, not just for the voice but for the fact that she always seemed a few seconds behind the play. She would be commenting stuff that happened a few seconds ago and it was almost like a delayed broadcast. If a male did that I’d be equally as annoyed.

    • Clifton says:

      09:11am | 21/01/11

      With the digital TV revolution, it would be easy for channel seven to offer two commentary streams that the viewer could choose from - one for the male audience, one for the female audience.

    • Thommo says:

      09:22am | 21/01/11

      I’ll repeat the comments I’ve made elsewhere. The career of an AFL football is very short compared to other professions. Their post career opportunities are very limited within AFL. To take one of those opportunities away in the name of positive discrimination is an abomination. Plain and simple. Men shouldn’t be calling Netball or Synchronised Swimming. I want to hear comments from past players who have had a glorious and illustrious career and whose comments will provide insight into what it’s actually like to be a player. No woman can EVEr do that. Plain and simple.

    • K says:

      09:50am | 21/01/11

      If a horrible voice is reason enough to sack someone can we get rid of Gillard too?

    • Harquebus says:

      09:59am | 21/01/11

      Only morons give a toss about sport.

    • NS Welshmen says:

      10:14am | 21/01/11

      I thought she was good and it showed how inclusive the AFL was for women. None of the other codes have allowed a woman to commentate.  I’m not sure why people are getting on her case. Maybe all her supporters should let the AFL know we want her back.

    • glen says:

      10:45am | 21/01/11

      I for one turned off when she was commentating - absolutely irritating - more like a radio call - didnt need her babbling on with crap - you could already see it

    • mark says:

      11:45am | 21/01/11

      Kelli and future Kelli broadcasters will come and go. I’m more interested in commenting on the fact that it took you the whole article to get to your pathetic and childlike punchline and using Rex Hunt’s @#nis to make it.

      Would you make 39.5% pembo????

    • Simon on the Goldy says:

      02:05pm | 21/01/11

      For me it was the voice i’m afraid, sometimes it sounded like she was channeling Marg Simpson, gender did’nt matter at all to me. i remember when the Bears started in Brizzy and in the early years they had Gary Dempsey doing commentating or special comments. Great player brownlow medalist but a voice that could kill a brown dog. For those who know a bit about rugby league Darren Lockyer is one of the greatest players ever but i am sure after he finishes palying he will not be offered a commentary job, why? He may have had speech lessons from Gary Dempsey. Going the gender option in this case is not justified.

    • John says:

      05:51pm | 21/01/11

      Ms Underwood knew her stuff but was a terrible caller. She was constantly behind the play and when the game got more intense she didn’t change her voice to reflect this, she just got louder. She was sacked (rightly so) because she was a terrible caller. The difference between her and the other bad callers (Jacko, Shaw and Walls) is that they’re only there for special comments, if they were callers, i’d be calling for them to be sacked as well.

    • Steven Danno says:

      06:30pm | 21/01/11

      I couldnt stand her voice!

    • Chris says:

      08:12pm | 21/01/11

      I believe there is merit with the “experiment” of women calling football but Kellie Underwood was not the person to experiment with. Her calling was slow, her knowledge was lacking, she sounded like an amateur caller (therefore more practice on the radio required) and her voice was monotone. By all means find someone more appropriate to trial as a female television football caller.

    • Phil says:

      07:48am | 22/01/11

      If she relied on talent, skills and experience to get the job (like most of us) she would never have been there in the first place. If you give someone a chance at a job in a large part because of their sex, and they end up being deemed not good enough, how can you be accused of being sexist when you sack them?

    • gus1 says:

      08:13am | 22/01/11

      This chick was pretty good. If you assume half of the 39% are sexist rednecks with brains the size of a pea then 80% of people think she is ok.

    • Des says:

      09:09am | 22/01/11

      HOLD THE BUS!!!  All we are talking about here is a GAME.  If you actually read David Penberthy’s article (and stop making it some sort of personal attack on all things male), he makes some extremely valid points.  Football is a GAME, and no more important that me playing Monopoly with my children in many ways.  Yes it employs lots of people.  Yes lots of people love the game… And yes it pays far too many far too young men far too much money, which results in far too much abuse of women in far too many ways that only the ignorant would refute.  So let’s not take ourselves, or this GAME any more seriously than we have to.  The more serious question is how women are treated within our society generally, and people like Sam Newman and his ilk really need to realise that mutual respect is required from us all, and if we aren’t mature enough to give female sports the same level of media coverage as male sports, then at least we could allow the odd female devotee of the game to commentate on it without vilification or innuendo.

    • Angela says:

      10:31am | 22/01/11

      It wasn’t her lack of knowledge about the game, it was her voice and the stupid things she’d say! I could give it a whirl and do a better job I think!

    • Relax ay says:

      10:35am | 22/01/11

      geez people if she didn’t suck at her job and have an annoying voice she would have been fine i have no problem with women commentating just her in general

    • Anna Kermode says:

      12:36pm | 22/01/11

      In my opinion, she was unpopular because of HER VOICE. It is unbearable.  I had to mute her, and so did most of my female AND male friends.  Not as bad as Joolia Gillard, but running pretty close.
      No sexism involved.

    • Brian Ford says:

      03:03pm | 22/01/11

      34,695 is how many people are members of the group Kelly Underwood Should NOT commentate AFL on facebook…

    • Alison says:

      03:45pm | 22/01/11

      I’m a female and a huge AFL fan - one with aspirations of entering the world of sports journalism. I want a woman high in AFL media as much as the next girl (hopefully even me) but the problem here isn’t women in a male dominated sport, it was just this one. Yes, Kelli was well researched and i admired her dedication but her calling style wasn’t suited to TV (she called the play like you would for radio rather than TV) and her voice was incredibly difficult to listen to. I admire her courage and determination but she was just not suited to this job. How about they go find another woman (i’m sure there are many just as qualified) who is suited the job and can provide insightful and accurate commentary.

    • Rob says:

      10:08am | 23/01/11

      @Alison. I’m a male and I couldn’t agree more. If Kelli was a man with the same calling style, they would never have made it into the commentary box. Footy fans have grown accustomed to fast precise commentary that the team at Seven can provide (I even find the guys at Ten hard to deal with, as they constantly cross promote their own network instead of call the game). Her tone was indeed annoying (not gender-specific, Kristy Malthouse was great) and more suited to radio. I think she would have done better being herself rather than trying too hard to sound like ‘one of the boys’. In any case, like many before her, she’s had a go doing what she wanted, and now its time to move on.

    • James Shaw says:

      02:19pm | 23/01/11

      Dave

      You have absolutely no right to take any moral high ground after your relentless attacks on John Brogden which led to him attempting self harm.

      You are a grub.

    • scotty says:

      10:51am | 24/01/11

      Dunno about NRL, but in terms of AFL I can say I found her voice annoying and felt she didn’t add much to the commentary compared to ex-players who had the advantage of a lifetime playing the sport. 

      Bottom line is, I didn’t like her as a commentator, and I’m glad she isn’t on the coverage anymore. 

      Nothing to do with her gender I’d say exactly the same thing about Bruce McEveny, but I think he’s still around because he was there from the beginning and he’s unfortunately become an icon.

    • Tom says:

      09:47am | 25/01/11

      Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard. Male or Female, fat or skinny, stupid or smart, it’s still horrendous regardless. I dont care what women do. Our PM is a woman and she’s got my full support. It only annoys me when people blame sexism for the downfalls of equality.

    • Desert Hawk says:

      10:51am | 25/01/11

      Honestly, she was crap, female or not!
      Her nausiating tone left the atmosphere half flat & her bias towards the Cats was astounding, fair enough we all have preferenced clubs, but why have them commentate games that you know they’re going to mostly see from one teams point of view.
      Don’t worry though, my deteste for some of the TV commentating is not just reserved for the ladies…

    • Tim says:

      09:11pm | 04/02/11

      Agree with sacking Underwood.

      I disagree with classing Wilson as OK. She’s not. She thinks football is a byzantine game of rumour, counter rumour and coup, played between the boards of clubs and viewable only to those in the know. It’s an open air contact sport, but you’d never know it to hear Wilson.

    • Al Bundy says:

      12:45am | 11/02/11

      Good riddance.I ended up growing man boobs because of her.This is the only game man truly gets to express himself. ‘No Maam’,must become a creed by law,so this perversion never happens again.

 

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