Strap yourself in, and stock up on supplies, because if you thought politics had become a bit exhausting the Prime Minister gave us a not so subtle reminder yesterday that, barring something unforseen, we’ve still got a long way to go until the next election.

It's a long road, and the baggage is heavy… Illustration: Warren Brown

Ironically, Julia Gillard delivered this wake-up call with a speech that sounded suspiciously like a campaign launch. It’s no secret the real campaigns now begin well out from when the starter’s gun is fired five or six weeks before an election.

But Gillard’s point was clear when she addressed the ACTU Congress in Sydney yesterday. She’s remembered she’s a Labor Prime Minister and she’d like even a half-decent shot at the next election.

I am absolutely determined to do that and prepared to take all of my energy and all of my vigour into the next 500 days as we move towards the election campaign and beyond, to keep striving for the Labor cause, and I know that you will be doing that with me.

500 days from yesterday is the 27th of September 2013 - a Friday - so maybe it will be 501 days. That’s a long time to stay on message.

Ever since Budget night a week ago the Government has flapped around a bit on its pitch.

Wayne Swan’s Budget speech was about sharing the proceeds of the mining tax. Then the Labor team spent a few errant days waging class war, raising suspicions it wasn’t about sharing the mining tax but about sharing the incomes of the citizens of Mosman.

By the weekend it had become the “battlers’ budget”, a “Labor budget” all about values and the party roots.

It was this theme that Gillard ran with yesterday, and it worked for her.

Perhaps buoyed by a correction in Newspoll which lifted the Government’s prospects out of the catastrophic back into the merely disastrous, and maybe also spurred on by Tony Abbott’s budget reply that was actually more about Tony Abbott than the Budget, the PM gave a speech that lacked her usual catch-phrase bingo.

It was clear. It flowed.  And it was appropriately pitched to her audience.

It was delivered with confidence and (shoot me now) she looked great.

Her voice, which has been known to waver with emotion during personal anecdotes, stayed firm as she reaffiremed her Labor roots.

My parents, John and Moira, taught me many things, but of all of them, first and foremost, they taught me to cherish family, they taught me to study and to work hard, they taught me to respect other people and they taught me to always, always, always carry your union membership card.
 
They didn’t overestimate or underestimate their position in Australian society, but they did know that whilst workplaces are overwhelmingly full of decent bosses and decent working people, that sometimes things can go wrong, and that’s when you need your trade union.

My parents always understood the value of joining with others in their workplace, bringing their strength together in the trade union, and they were proud union members all of their lives.
 
I’ve taken those values with me. And just like my parents taught me about Labor’s vision of workplaces, they taught me about the broader Labor vision for society.

She was preaching to the choir in a room full of union members looking for something good to cling on to in the wake of the HSU debacle. But even allowing for a stacked crowd, the PM sounded more convincing than she has for a while.

It helped that she was honest about just what an uphill battle she faces.

In reference to the HSU horrors for the union movement:

But, friends, we are also the party of realism and we gather today in what are not easy days for the Labor Movement or for the Labor Party itself.

I know that that dismays you and it dismays me as well, and whatever the ultimate findings of the courts and tribunals are about all of this, we know that in some parts of a union, members have been let down very badly.

And on the Government’s dire lack of support in the electorate:

But, friends, whilst I will never succumb to government by opinion polls, I can read the opinion polls and I’m under no illusions about the depths of the political challenges that confront our Government. I understand that, I get that

This honesty will serve Gillard well. One of the things that has struck voters as inauthentic about the Prime Minister has been her ability to stand in the face of a barrage of bad news and appear totally unaffected by it. Sometimes it doesn’t look like strength but delusion.

To acknowlege how tough things are, and to do a bit of plain talking, is just what the electorate is crying out for.

So day one - a good one for the PM. Just 499 to go.

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    • Against the Man says:

      06:43am | 16/05/12

      More crap from an unwanted fake PM who is too selfish and useless for her own good!

    • james says:

      09:55am | 16/05/12

      Only 499 days to go until you vanish. Lets get a countdown clock for that.

    • Get Real says:

      10:04am | 16/05/12

      @ james - ATM is saying what the majority of this country feels about Julia. If she were a better PM, ATM would have no ammunition. Your dislike of his antiGillard and ALP comments just tells the rest of us that you clearly are one of the frustrated minority ALP supporters who just can’t except the fact that you are supporting ‘a crap, unwanted fake PM who is too selfish and useless for her own good! ’

    • Rick says:

      10:22am | 16/05/12

      If you really want to stop the crap growing every day to destroy completly our society there is only one answer.

      A true system of democracy a la Switzerland in which only the people are sovereign with the legal democratic right to call a referendum via a petition to repeal or modity any phoney laws against us as it is now under the absolute power of the political parties and their cronies.

      We are not far to come the disonaur country.

    • Hank says:

      12:07pm | 16/05/12

      This speech is just BS words that mean little.  Hopefully Gillard will be judged on her actions and integrity and that we dont get sucked into the hyperbowl like in ‘07.  Although there appears to be little faith in Abbott (rightly or wrongly) it has got to the point for most, who dont have particularly strong political affilliations, will have little choice but to give that LNP a chance.  For all the acrotels and james’ there are many who are more objective and intelligent when it comes to making an educated choice.  Lets hope the right one is made.

    • All I See is Blue & Red says:

      01:07pm | 16/05/12

      No reply from james?

    • maria says:

      02:25pm | 16/05/12

      @Rick spot on
      direct democracy is the only answer to keep the bastards honest anything else is just pure lies and frauds.

    • Against the Man says:

      03:58pm | 16/05/12

      james today you learn the majority isn’t going to take any more Labor crap. Learn this lesson well.

    • Peter Dellaplane says:

      09:25pm | 16/05/12

      I thought James was agreeing with ATM.

      Anyway, this speech (and all others that follow) are just words and I think we are all over it.

      Just give us the god damn election asap so we can end this farce.

    • ian2 says:

      07:11am | 16/05/12

      It is dead.
      It is no more
      It is defunct, deceased, shuffled off its mortal coil.
      Turned up its toes.
      The magnificent Labor/Green coalition
      And with any luck we shall not see its like again.

    • Draconian says:

      12:57pm | 16/05/12

      Rest In Pieces.

    • Sean M says:

      07:34am | 16/05/12

      Values? Just watch the Four Corners doco for a documented proof she lacks values. The 2 reasons Labor will lose the next election are the carbon tax and Gillard. Rudd may save them a few seats. Gillard will ensure a pure massacre!

    • Hank says:

      12:14pm | 16/05/12

      Absolutely Sean.  I think Tory is caught up in this whole sisterhood thing to be able to give us an intelligent assessment of our PM.  Either that or she is under guidance from the guru Farr.  Just more ALP propaganda dribble.  Thought she was better than that.

    • Lyla says:

      04:12pm | 16/05/12

      Yep and yep. I didn’t have much an opinion on Gillard’s personality until I watched one of the Four Corners docos on her (the first one, not the one where she pretended to have no knowledge of her staffers writing her ‘taking over the leadership for the good of the party’ speech a couple of weeks before Kevin was deposed)

      Anyhow, for me this doco painted a picture of a cold but ruthlessly ambitious person prepared to compromise anything and lie about everything in her quest for power. To be fair - most politicians are power-hungry, but Gillard has taken it to a new level. ‘Frankly’, (to borrow a Kevin Ruddance), Gillard’s inability to care about anyone but herself enabled her to grasp power, but ultimately this lack of empathy will cause her downfall. Voters know it and they don’t like it. But hey, that’s just what the polls tell us. No doubt Laurie Oakes, Mark Riley and Mal Farr would tell you it’s ‘sexism’.

      She’s not a sincere person. And if you were truly sucked in by her union speech yesterday - as I have noticed a lot of journos were - then more fool you. A 500-day election campaign starting from now? Great - more of the same then, as you may have noticed this Government prefers to act like an Opposition anyway.

      And! And! I almost forgot! It’s Tony’s fault that Labor’s so unpopular. Phew. Had to get that out.

    • Tamara says:

      07:36am | 16/05/12

      could she get any more delusional…what a megalomaniac!

    • Hank says:

      12:16pm | 16/05/12

      Yes she can and yes she will.

    • BD says:

      07:37am | 16/05/12

      Tory the left side of your brain must be speaking .... a good day and 499 to go lol

    • Suzanne says:

      07:43am | 16/05/12

      Death by 500 cuts…...can The Punch do a countdown calendar please?

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:28am | 16/05/12

      I’d be in favour of this. Let’s have a bullshit quote of the day from the Government. If there is a truly outstanding lie uttered (’‘no carbon tax’‘) that would get the guernsey, right down to the complete inaccuracy of some of their claims ($35.99Billion for the NBN) and other outrageous statements (“Mr Thompson has my complete support”)

    • Chris says:

      08:02am | 16/05/12

      well I think she is kidding herself if she thinks her beloved Bulldogs will still be fighting on Friday Sep 27 2013. That will be the day of the Grand Final Parade in Melbourne so the only teams left in the comp will be the Swans and whoever the 2013 runner up will be (who cares).
      Really though… there is no chance there is 500 days to the Election Campaign… they will not have an election during the AFL and NRL finals. Late August through to mid-October is a no go zone.

    • ago says:

      08:48am | 16/05/12

      hahaha… swans .....grand final parade…..hahahaha

    • chauncey says:

      08:05am | 16/05/12

      Can you imagine the damage these fools can do in another 500 days !
      Youve done what you set out to do Jools, Please call an election now so someone can fix all of your stuff ups . Thank you signed the” electorate ”

    • Mack says:

      08:07am | 16/05/12

      500more days of Julia and she’ll be lucky to 500 votes.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      10:10pm | 16/05/12

      That sounds wishful to me, even the Bogans from Altona (her electorate) would struggle to give her a vote

    • Ron e says:

      08:09am | 16/05/12

      Sorry. Can’t agree. Gillard is incapable of delivering anything more sophisticated than constructed, jingoistic motherhood impressionism; generally through the filter of her communist political roots.
      Yesterdays address to the comrades (now called, “friends”) was as contrived and clunky as any I’ve seen. The woman seems incapable of expressing even the most basic original thought, and that is what we’re stuck with, it seems.
      Surely, with this bunch of knucklheads running around in Canberra, lying and obfuscating about anything and everything, we have eached the nadir of Australian politics. Please, tell me it is, or kill me now.

    • Bob Stewart, the Elder says:

      08:13am | 16/05/12

      Self apologetist trying to be the heroine waving the shredded banner to the wounded troops who sheltered the enemy within,

    • Anne71 says:

      08:24am | 16/05/12

      I’m sure that made sense in your head, anyway.

    • Ron e says:

      08:39am | 16/05/12

      Ohh, Anne. Too abstract for you? You probably see Gillard as eloquent, and Swanny as downright poetic.

    • james says:

      11:39am | 16/05/12

      I like that one Bob

    • Max Redlands says:

      08:17am | 16/05/12

      After the rot now panic has set in.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:28am | 16/05/12

      “we are also the party of realism”

      &%^#! just spat out my coffee

    • Adam says:

      09:52am | 16/05/12

      I was eating weet-bixs and it ended up going all over my desk, so we are in the same boat lol

    • Hank says:

      12:40pm | 16/05/12

      I think she left the SUR out.

    • justmeint says:

      08:34am | 16/05/12

      she is dead in the head…. can she not grasp that the electorate has ‘switched off’ where she and Labor are concerned. I believe people would vote in a little alien man “was going to say green man but deceided that was a bad suggestion” in favour of either her or another of her slimey cronies. We have watched and listened and learned since she stabbed Rudd in the back to all of her compulsive lies…... and decided that if we have any hope of returning to what was once a Great Nation, we should bury Juliar and her cronies for a very long time….... Australians were once respected…. now we are pitied…... hurry up with the elction and let us - once and for all say ta ta to madam liar mouth!

    • Noel says:

      08:35am | 16/05/12

      The Carbon Tax on Everything compensation is flowing. I’m on a carer’s pension, so I guess they’ll be paying me a few more sheckles, but I don’t want this bribe money. You can’t buy my vote Gillard. How do I send this money back? I don’t want a Carbon Tax. I don’t want this Labor/ Greens/ Independents foul government. I can hear alcotrel and his like all crowing how people are happy to accept this hand out, but still oppose a Carbon Tax. Well, let me beat them to it. I don’t want the money. Take it back, Gillard. Take it back. No Carbon Tax. Bring on the next election.

    • monty says:

      09:42am | 16/05/12

      Mr. Burns?
      Is that you?

    • Phil says:

      12:15pm | 16/05/12

      Noel Do what some mates of mine who are multi millionaires but got the stimulus cash did. Add your tax and donate the gross amount to a charity. They need it and it will cost you nothing. I agree last time got nothing this time will be the same again.

      I think labor will trash the place to make the libs look bad when they get in ultimately hoping that people will not like the massive cuts required and put the party of bribes and corruption and horny old men back in.

    • Noel says:

      12:41pm | 16/05/12

      @ monty “Mr. Burns? Is that you?”...........?????????????????
      Sorry, but your cryptic comment means nothing to me and I guess everybody else.

    • dovif says:

      08:39am | 16/05/12

      God may save the Queen, but nothing will save our Prime Liar

      Who stuff up pollicies after pollicies, whether it is Medicare Gold, Border protection or BER, lets hope Australia never see the likes of this incompetant government again

    • Murray says:

      02:21pm | 16/05/12

      Oh but we will “see the likes of this incompetent government again” dear dovif - it is a near certainty that the terrible ALP will be replaced by the odius Lib/Nats.
      Based on their inability to count, or to agree policy with each other and their flipflopping on major issues we are destined to continue the downward spiral of short term populism.
      The founders of our Constitution would be horrified to see that our democracy has been stolen by the 2 major parties who have no interest other than staying in power.

    • jimbo says:

      08:58am | 16/05/12

      I just keep thinking I will wake up and realise this whole stinking mess was only a nightmare.  But it’s real isn’t it.
      Years ago I would think about politics only now and then but now it is a daily barrage of bullshit and bad news.  What did the puplic really do to deserve this?

    • RyaN says:

      11:09am | 16/05/12

      They wanted an “change” for change sakes. We can only hope that they have learnt a proper lesson. “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!”

    • Andrew says:

      01:39pm | 16/05/12

      @Ryan, i have always been a bit disturbed about the if it aint broke don’t fix it mantra. At one stage horse and cart worked and wasn’t broke, so was international travel by boat, letters worked just fine. however than people created the motor car, airplanes and telephones and the internet.

      i would hate to see where we would be (although i can through looking at history books) if people with thoughts like that managed to have a huge impact on the thinking of people.

    • RyaN says:

      03:24pm | 16/05/12

      @Andrew: No one said don’t make a better and more efficient one that eventually replaces the working (albeit less efficient one). BUT replacing a working something with something worse, less efficient and just plain backwards is just stupid.

    • Inky says:

      09:25am | 16/05/12

      I suppose this comment thread pretty much confirms that people have stopped listening.

    • nihonin says:

      11:29am | 16/05/12

      I couldn’t hear your comment through all the shouting!  wink

    • Bogan Jake says:

      09:27am | 16/05/12

      The country is saying ‘F@#k Off Juliar!’

      She really needs to get a clue!

    • Murray says:

      02:22pm | 16/05/12

      Well you are centainly a bogan, Jake.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      09:31am | 16/05/12

      “This honesty will serve Gillard well”
      the only fly in the soup is the no one is listening to her except her union mates eating from the taxpayers lunch box.
      501 days nor even if she had 5001 days left would save her.
      the simple truth is, the% of people in Australia DON’T trust her or the union movement nor the ALP
      the fact that until she came back just after Anzus she wanted and expected Tomson to remain where he was in her Govt but suddenly, he aqnd Slipper had crossed a line
      What line?
      she still won’t say.
      she’s in panic mode and it shows.
      Now all of a sudden, she’s dismayed and disgusted by what went on at the HSC, why not years earlier? simple she needed both tomsons vote then slippers,
      she would love to think she’s pulling the wool over the public’s eyes but sorry Julia, it’s not working too well, neither is your Govt by the way.
      Wish it was 5 days instead of 500

    • larry mantle says:

      12:58pm | 16/05/12

      keep hope alive Brian
      You just keep repeating that for the next 500 days if it gives you some solace.
      When the sky doesn’t fall in and Australia continues to have an economy the envy of the world you will eventually fall into despair that not even a change of Liberal leadership cannot fix.

    • Anna C says:

      09:32am | 16/05/12

      Another 499 days to go until the next election.  This is a form of torture.

    • Doh! another stuff up says:

      12:09pm | 16/05/12

      Really if Australians are animals, Julia will be in jail for cruelty to animal

    • Malcolm says:

      09:36am | 16/05/12

      The funniest thing about the last two Governments is seeing Australia being in great shape driving the Liberal luvvies crazy.

    • year of the dragon says:

      11:51am | 16/05/12

      No mate. What’s driving us crazy is knowing that it is in great shap and watching the ALP slowly but surely fnck it.

      Every day we wake up to more mass redundancies

      More bankruptcies.

      More government waste.

      More government incompetence.

      More government corruption.

      More investment diverted from Australia to other countries.

      And, with every day, more damage done and less hope for the future.

    • Malcolm says:

      03:24pm | 16/05/12

      @yearofthedragon

      In your dreams. Australia is in great shape.

      No mate. What’s driving you Liberal luvvies crazy is record wealth, record employment, record long term investment, low inflation and low interest rates.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      12:25pm | 17/05/12

      @ Malcolm…“LUVVIES” you wouldn’t be gay by any chance Malcolm?
      were you oneof the 10 people who voted for Bligh?

    • Malcolm says:

      12:11am | 18/05/12

      @brian

      Thanks for asking but I’ll have to disappoint you, Brian. I’m not sure how much success you’ll have using this as a dating site, but best of luck.

    • Spiros, can you spare a dime? says:

      09:47am | 16/05/12

      The P.M. says we have 500 days to go before the next election.

      Wayne Swan is currently borrowing over $100 million per day to keep the country afloat.

      500 times $100 million equals FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS in extra borrowings BEFORE the next election.

      Maybe we can ask the Greeks for a charity handout?

    • james says:

      09:58am | 16/05/12

      Maybe they can ask us for the surplus?

    • Spiros, can you spare a dime? says:

      10:23am | 16/05/12

      Bear in mind the fact that Wayne Swan could only conjure up his meagre $1.5 billion budgeted “surplus”, by sweeping all of the N.B.N. expenditure (estimated to be anywhere between $35 and $50 billion) under his office carpet in the hope that nobody would notice. 

      If you bring that $50 billion (i.e. fifty thousand million dollars) back into the budget, you are looking at up to a budgeted deficit of $48.5 billion over the next financial year, and a further $50 billion in projected borrowings, given the $100 million per day rate that the A.L.P. is impoverishing us at the moment.

      Tirath Khemlani WOULD be impressed.

    • TimB says:

      10:32am | 16/05/12

      What surplus james?

      Surely you don’t mean the one that exists solely in Swannies head.

    • james says:

      11:08am | 16/05/12

      Time will tell TimB.

    • Jinx says:

      11:13am | 16/05/12

      james - What surplus?

    • Samantha says:

      12:08pm | 16/05/12

      james looks like the game is up! You are TChong posting under a different handle. The smart thing would to stop using the same phrases!

    • Hank says:

      12:28pm | 16/05/12

      I think you’re onto something there Samantha.  The poor ALP monkeys are running out of supporters so they need to invent alter egos.  Too funny.

    • Tony from the Block says:

      02:24pm | 16/05/12

      What surplus james?

    • Spiros, can you spare a dime? says:

      03:27pm | 16/05/12

      james, it seems that you and Wayne Swan shared the same maths teacher.
      While daily borrowings exceed $100 million, it will take only 15 days to blow through the whole $1.5 billion alleged “surplus”.
      The alleged “surplus” is a fraud.  It only exists if you pretend that the $50 billion N.B.N. expenditure does NOT exist.

    • RyaN says:

      03:57pm | 16/05/12

      What surplus James? Is that the one following that winged pig over there?

    • Against the Man says:

      03:59pm | 16/05/12

      Hey james guess what? I win smile

    • gnome says:

      09:53am | 16/05/12

      So now she’s horrified that people will steal from the unions they lead?  She didn’t hold those values when she was living with one of those thieves, but perhaps it’s OK if you are the beneficiary?

      500 days?  I wish it was a lot more, I am starting to enjoy the anticipation.

    • Meniscus says:

      09:57am | 16/05/12

      You didn’t finish quoting Julia - you know, the bit where she blamed Tony Abbot for the polls. Yeah, real honesty.

    • dobbo says:

      09:59am | 16/05/12

      Totally agree…in terms of Gillard and what she’s achieved under incredible pressure (the futuristic NBN for example) , history will see her as one of Australia’s most brilliant and tenacious Prime Ministers, easily on a par with the Pom’s Maggie T.

      In comparison, her opponent is shallow, shifty, impetuous and opportunistic. The man hasn’t got a scrap of an idea of what he wants to achieve if he actually won his dream job and would only lead Australia into some wasteland of negativity.

      The next election outcome will be a test of the IQ not to mention the sense of justice of the Australian people. Are they able to be easily manipulated by a media desperate to avoid any legislated accountability and with a big end of town agenda or can the voters see through the spin?

    • Adam Diver says:

      10:35am | 16/05/12

      “next election outcome will be a test of the IQ” - typical lefty, if disagreed with your opponent must be stupid.

    • TimB says:

      11:11am | 16/05/12

      Man I’d love the chance to take on the likes of Dobbo head-to-head on an IQ test.

      I’d be curious though, when I end up beating him, would he then accept that my opinion must be right and his opinion wrong?

      History will see Gillard as one of Australia’s worst Prime Ministers. That will be her legacy.

    • RyaN says:

      11:14am | 16/05/12

      @dobbo: “in terms of Gillard and what she’s achieved under incredible pressure” and don’t forget that brilliant Carbon Tax we were promised we were never going to get.

      “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead!”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ

    • dobbo says:

      11:36am | 16/05/12

      ho hum…same old boring arguments, stale thinking and fear mongering re carbon tax.

      Amazing how powerful the media is.

    • Peter says:

      11:36am | 16/05/12

      Correct Dobbo, however we all know that the cultural elite do not outnumber the mindless masses.

      Considering how intelligent TimB proclaims to be, he spends his days trolling sites like this instead of using his intelligence to contribute. Shame.

    • year of the dragon says:

      11:56am | 16/05/12

      Peter says:11:36am | 16/05/12

      “Considering how intelligent TimB proclaims to be, he spends his days trolling sites like this instead of using his intelligence to contribute.”

      How do you know?

      Or are you conceding that you don’t have the intelligence to contribute and thereore your own trolling to at least monitor TimB’s “trolling” is not distracting you from making a contribution?

    • TimB says:

      12:03pm | 16/05/12

      How intelligent did I proclaim to be ‘Peter’?

      I think you’ll find it was Dobbo making proclamations about the IQ levels of those he disagreed with. This is my way of telling him he’s likely to be very wrong.

      @ Dobbo, same to you mate. All we get from you lot is the boring propaganda about the tax somehow making us better off, lies about ‘punishing’ the big polluters, and over-the-top scaremongering AGW predictions.

      Amazing how powerful ALP propaganda is- At least on the true believers such as yourself.

    • Peter says:

      12:17pm | 16/05/12

      Quote from Dobbo:

      “The next election outcome will be a test of the IQ not to mention the sense of justice of the Australian people”

      From TimB

      “Man I’d love the chance to take on the likes of Dobbo head-to-head on an IQ test. I’d be curious though, when I end up beating him, would he then accept that my opinion must be right and his opinion wrong?”

      Both of our political leaders are of high intelligence as proven by their further education, however comments like this TimB don’t paint you in a positive light.

    • Big Jay says:

      12:33pm | 16/05/12

      I’m with Dobbo…

      The govt has its flaws (for me, its asylum seekers, is the major one) but so does every govt.

      NBN and mining tax are good policies (though IMHO they ought not be spending the mining tax proceeds on recurrent expenditure).

      The sky is not going to fall in with the introduction of the Carbon Tax. I doubt it will bring a wave of energy innovation but I doubt it’s going to crush our standard of living either. People have forgotten there is an upside risk we end up with world leading energy technology (doubtful but possible).

      People like RyaN stick their finger in their ears and say “she lied” even though both sides had expensive carbon reduction measures as policy, even though most decent economists say the govt’s policy is far cheaper/effective than the oppositions. Even though the writing is on the wall in regard energy resource scarcity, people keep carrying on that she lied. So what?...politicians (on both sides!!) lie all the time, everyone forgetten about “non-core” promises? Tony Abbott’s rolled-gold guarantee not to tamper with medicare in 2004?...Tony Abbott admits he runs off at the mouth and lies in interviews.

      Tony Abbott reckons he’ll get rid of the mining tax and carbon and retain (at least in part) some of the benefits they’re paying for, plus fund billions of dollars in grants for emissions reductions tech directly to companies. At least he can pay his generous maternity leave schemes with his NEW TAX on big business (which means us as their customers). And people still have no questions for the LNP, and want to vote for them. Last time the LNP won in a landslide we got workchoices and that was awesome.

      I don’t really vote for either ALP/Greens or the LNP but people need to pay attention the issues and not the personalies and propaganda.

    • TimB says:

      12:48pm | 16/05/12

      Can someone decipher the intent Peter’s comment for me?

      Apparently Dobbo can insult the intelligence of all those who vote differently to him, but if I puport to put Dobbo’s convictions to the test, it’s *my* comment that doesn’t reflect me positively?

      Uhuh.

      Try again Petey.

    • Enrico says:

      12:52pm | 16/05/12

      Oh my,
      TimB big noting himself, what a surprise. Don’t bother responding as TimB has already declared he will “beat” you. Resistance is futile. Only conservatives are ever right all the time.

      Rusted on conservative maiden with blinkers on but tongue tie off.

    • TimB says:

      01:19pm | 16/05/12

      Tell me Badger, do you find it hard to keep track of so many different identities?

    • Adam Diver says:

      01:37pm | 16/05/12

      Lets change tack then, someone sell me the benefit of the carbon tax. Because apparently not as bad as it seems is now the yardstick of good policy.

    • dobbo says:

      02:10pm | 16/05/12

      Adam Diver Re Carbon Tax benefits - quick check via Google reveals plenty info out there:
        * Carbon tax reduces consumption of fossil fuels.
        * Carbon Tax creates incentives for the development of clean energy and energy conservation.
        * Carbon tax raises tax revenue. A carbon tax also raises tax revenue that can be used to subsidize environmental programs or low-income families.
        * Carbon tax is more simple and stable. Compared to a cap-and-trade scheme, the price of carbon is predictable and stable in a carbon tax system.

      Would be good to see likes of News Ltd putting these benefits across for the education of public and to broaden debate.

    • Adam Diver says:

      03:16pm | 16/05/12

      Don’t blame News limited even the ALP wont mention the name smile

      * Carbon tax reduces consumption of fossil fuels.

      By reducing energy use, by raising prices - Pass

        * Carbon Tax creates incentives for the development of clean energy and energy conservation.

      By artificially raising prices and lowering living standards. Also clean energy is a myth, doesn’t work except for hydro - Pass

        * Carbon tax raises tax revenue. A carbon tax also raises tax revenue that can be used to subsidize environmental programs or low-income families.


      Raise Tax - Pass. Subsidise low-income families therefore eliminating your first points (reducing consumption) - Pass. Environmental programs can come from consolidated revenue.

        * Carbon tax is more simple and stable. Compared to a cap-and-trade scheme, the price of carbon is predictable and stable in a carbon tax system.

      Why are we going to cap and trade then? The people implementing it know its not as good as a cap and trade. - Pass

      Points for trying though. You forgot to mention it supposed to reduce co2 emissions and combat global warming, you know its whole purpose, but I guess you realise it won’t achieve that either.

    • TimB says:

      03:17pm | 16/05/12

      @ Dobbo, we’ve seen all of these ‘benefits’ spouted by the ALP time and time again. And yes, they have appeared in News Ltd publications.

      * Carbon tax reduces consumption of fossil fuels.

      No, it increases prices. Prices that people are then forced to pay. People may *choose* to then lower their electricity usage, but this is not always practical, especially for critical usage. And we do not have the widespread baseload renewable power resources for everyone to make a switch to cleaner energy either.

      Pointlessly jacking up energy prices (and indirectly the price on everything else along the supply chain) is inflationary. It is not a benefit.


      * Carbon Tax creates incentives for the development of clean energy and energy conservation.

      Those incentives already exist. Surely developing an energy source that is both cleaner & more efficient than coal energy is the dream of every scientist in the field. Imagine the royalties if they could pull it off. Not to mention the whole ‘save the planet’ thing. Isn’t that incentive enough? Why do you need to tax carbon as well?
      All the tax does is stifle innovation. Kneecapping the competition is not a benefit.


      * Carbon tax raises tax revenue. A carbon tax also raises tax revenue that can be used to subsidize environmental programs or low-income families.

      Taxing people with one hand so you can give back to them with the other is a money churn at best, wealth redistribution at worst. It is not a benefit.


      * Carbon tax is more simple and stable. Compared to a cap-and-trade scheme, the price of carbon is predictable and stable in a carbon tax system.

      Simpler does not automatically mean better. A 100% tax rate would be simpler too. No need to work out witholdings, just send all your money to the government. Simple! But not beneficial.

      The governments fixing the price at the rate much higher than any other carbon market is not a benefit.

      Any more ALP propganda you’d like to spout Dobbo?

    • dobbo says:

      03:37pm | 16/05/12

      TimB…nothing to do with ALP propaganda (although no doubt they refer to some of these arguments). Points came from http://climatelab.org/Carbon_tax which as far as I’m aware has nothing to do with our illustrious Government.

      Re your first point on incentives - nothing like the incentive of saving money to get people really creative.

    • dobbo says:

      04:14pm | 16/05/12

      And if you anti-carbon tax folks want to really knock yourselves out, try this:

      “Coal is, however, one of the most carbon polluting forms of energy, so that only by putting a price on carbon will mining and energy companies be encouraged to invest in the research and development necessary to turn it into a “green” source of energy, such as through the carbon storage and capture processes that could potentially make coal a relatively low emissions product. But only by putting a price on carbon is this achievable because these energy and resource companies are currently the world’s worst investors in R&D — the eight biggest average a mere 0.15 per cent of revenue on R&D, although these companies are amongst the world’s most profitable businesses (B. Jaruzelski and K Dehoff, The Customer Connection: The Global Innovation 1000, Booz Allen Hamilton, New York, 2007). As far as mining and energy companies are concerned, all you need it seems are bigger drills and shovels — and they will keep thinking that unless there is an economic imperative to innovate and limit emissions. By implementing a carbon tax on the worst 1,000 polluters in Australia, innovation and carbon mitigation will be given an economic imperative.”

      Source: http://www.independentaustralia.net/2011/business/climate-change-is-real-and-a-carbon-price-makes-real-economic-sense/

    • Brian Taylor says:

      12:29pm | 17/05/12

      can I have some of what you’re smoking dumbbo?

    • Geoff says:

      10:13am | 16/05/12

      This must be Gillard 3.0 or is it 4.0 or 5.0 I am not sure. I am not sure who is buying it still cause they are all failers.
      I think the labor party is bordering on get all the good people out of the party and make a new party and start again. The stench and rot has gone far to deep. Time to Lop off that dead limb called Labor or the Gangrene will kill us all…

    • James Mathews says:

      10:31am | 16/05/12

      Well the message will no doubt change, but a least one thing was settled and was the election date, but everybody knew from the last election that it would be a campaign to the next election, so bored of politics and it has even begun. This is yet another cut through article by Tory and after reading it I was wondering why we wouldn’t have the electoral wipe out that will happen regardless.

    • Michelle says:

      10:37am | 16/05/12

      I’m dismayed. Dismayed and disgusted I tell you! I’m dismayed and disgusted and horrified. I’m dismayed and disgusted and horrified, and I’m sickened. I tell you. Sicken. Horrified. And dismayed and disgusted. And I may even be numb. No not dumb. Numb. And dismayed. And disgusted…

      PM Gillard. All talk. No action.

      500 days you say. Are we there yet?

    • the duke says:

      11:00am | 16/05/12

      you forgot “disturbed”— a curious choice of word I thought—a disturbed woman is running the country—oh well I guess on this one shes telling the truth !!!

    • Andrew says:

      11:02am | 16/05/12

      Michelle- “PM Gillard. All talk. No action.”

      That was Kevin Rudd, if anything Gillards problem is she has tried and introduced to many things that aren’t necessarily popular. If she was indeed “no action” her approval ratings would be a lot higher.

    • Fred says:

      11:59am | 16/05/12

      It’s a bit too cold today, it’s all JULIAR’S fault!

    • Lapun says:

      10:56am | 16/05/12

      Yep!  I DO like you Michelle.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      11:02am | 16/05/12

      I don’t vote Labor (or Lib).  No particular opinion on Gillard either.  But the daily spew here against JG has decided me to perhaps like vote Labor the first time ever. Maybe before rushing off to post like try and remember what Emerson said, “People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character.”? Most days it is hardly pretty in here.

    • Joel B1 says:

      12:24pm | 16/05/12

      “Most days it is hardly pretty in here. “

      Well that’s hardly our fault. I didn’t promise “NO Carbon tax” and then implement one.

      Vote ALP by all means if it makes you feel better, but honestly, if you really think Gillard’s Green/ALP government is doing a swell or even OK job then they need people like you to join the ALP.

    • Draconian says:

      01:13pm | 16/05/12

      That’s why it’s called “The Punch” and not like “The Light Slap.”

    • SydneyGirl says:

      02:12pm | 16/05/12

      Yeah I do Punch alright and more but I have no time today for the same tired responses. Also I have to get my ALP membership card.

      Basically, I have learnt a good deal about the vitriol and bile that fills Punchers - sometimes making them seem unhinged - but little about Julia today.

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:10pm | 16/05/12

      Every time I read an obvious ALP supporter say I don’t vote Labor but will this time I am a little bit sick in the mouth. They just don’t seem to get we are over the bullshit games they play.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      03:39pm | 16/05/12

      ZSRenn! The Chinese have let you out-Scotchfinger and I were worried for awhile! But they are very annoyed that you don’t want to vote for the party of the proleteriat and want to hang out with the toffs.  Make lots of money but do not abandon the comrades, eh!

      I vote Greens. No, that’s definitely not the same as voting Labor. Also I don’t treat the Greens like a footy team I must support at all times while haranguing others, I steer clear of heaping abuse on Libs or Labs. Neither do I hang aorund sites claiming they are the da BEST! Happy?

      But now must must get ALP card. I think it will serve me well in China, surely its our great glorious ex Leader who is most esteemed there.

    • Paleoflatus says:

      11:19am | 16/05/12

      It’s further evidence that the leader of the political wing of the trade union movement is in dire trouble, when she has to beg her power base to support her (and her Thomson-Slipper-“Independent”-Green mates) for another 500 days.
      Going further down the chain, their desperation to isolate the wrong-doings of the HSU (the tip of the iceberg) makes us wonder what the rest of the iceberg is like. We often judge a man (or woman) by the company he (or she) keeps.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      11:23am | 16/05/12

      Well, 500 days for the NBN to start being implemented in my area, then. I would like to be an active participant in the future, after all.

    • Joel B1 says:

      12:29pm | 16/05/12

      The NBN is like building a six-lane, divided highway all the way around Australia then waiting for the traffic.

      It’s nuts.

      A more rational approach would be fibre to the node and then see which area has the traffic, then extending to the homes in those areas.

      Fibre to the node doesn’t mean you can’t ever have it to your house. It just means we won’t be bankrupt first. And it might even make some money.

      Current NBN take-up (that’s actually use it) rates are abysmal.

    • K says:

      01:07pm | 16/05/12

      Joel
      You really shouldn’t comment on what you don’t understand.
      But, I am impressed you didn’t mention a Rolls Royce.

      When comprehension is limited, call the plan nuts.
      Take up abysmal sounds like climate change isn’t happening because I looked out the window.

    • Big Jay says:

      01:47pm | 16/05/12

      @Joel B1 - so you prefer govt be behind in the game than be pro-active and do something before it becomes a problem. Traffic jams are the worst example because you would find that people would prefer the road be built before traffic jams are a problem. Secondly, if the govt did build a six-lane autobahn highway around Australia, it would only be less than one generation and that thing would be getting huge traffic and would be the key plank for many people and goods movement around the country and we couldnt conceive life without it.

      @Simple

    • Draconian says:

      02:27pm | 16/05/12

      @Joel B1.  Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to launch our own satellite rather than the NBN?

    • Joel B1 says:

      04:02pm | 16/05/12

      K,

      I’ll put my BSc (Hon) (that’s First Class mate) and Technician Telecommunications Certificate against your whatever anyday sunshine.

      All you ALPers can do is attack the person. Pathetic.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      08:25am | 17/05/12

      There is no upgrade path from fibre to the node to fibre to the home. If (and when) we decided FTTN is insufficient (see NZ for a current case study) it would cost the country more to upgrade than to just do it initially. Also, to extend you anaolgy, we know the traffic is coming, so why not prepare for it? It’s not nuts, it makes sense, and it’s the right thing to do for the country.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:53am | 16/05/12

      She would stand a far better chance if she had not done the following:
      1) Stabbed Kevin Rudd in the back & been content to wait until he gave her the nod.
      2) Showed some backbone & refused to bow to the Greens & their demand she bring in the CO2 Tax or admitted that it was at their orders she broke her promise
      3) Not recruited Petewr Slipper
      4) Not been so fulsome in her support of Peter Slipper
      5)  Waited until the whole Craig Thompson scandal was revealed in all it’s filth
      6) Not been so constantly fulsome in her support of Craig Thompson
      7) Not displayed the obvious truth that she is interested in one thing & only one thing: The advancement of Julia Gillard

    • SpoonSour says:

      12:15pm | 16/05/12

      That is what makes Gillard an immoral, lack of values, selfish, stupid and hopeless person. Gillard has always only cared about herself. Even if it means f@*king over her boss, political party and country.

    • TD says:

      02:31pm | 16/05/12

      @ SpoonSour: Gillard has to know that she will be treated worse than anything once she loses the next election, she might try to inflict as much damage on Australia before that happens. We are truly screwed!

    • Blind Freddy says:

      12:10pm | 16/05/12

      Aaawww. Only 500 days to go?

    • Rosie says:

      12:12pm | 16/05/12

      It was pathetic in the highest order! Gillard cried crocodile tears when making out she cared about the HSU members that had their money rorted by Craig Thompson, once a member of her caucus and then in a subtle way began the campaign to destroy Tony Abbott within the 500 days!

      In another thread I said that it must be difficult to defend the indefensible when all you have to rely on is the opposition! Pathetic! Pathetic!

    • Blind Freddy says:

      02:02pm | 16/05/12

      Where is a link to the original claim that the speech was “off the cuff”. Without one the story is just another strawman - built by Bolt.

    • Mike says:

      12:23pm | 16/05/12

      I suppose the good part about this is that we will ONLY have another 498 days of Gillard left and the day after that another 497…and so it goes until we finally get rid of this “power at any cost” PM. The bad part and the part Australian should not look forward to is that an incoming Government will be left with an absolutely HUGE debt that will require years to pay back.

      Meanwhile Gillard, Swan, Conroy, Roxon, Slipper, Thompson and the rest of the ALP front bench will be sitting back in a Academic or Consultants jobs laughing their way to the bank on huge salaries as well as the surety of their 20% taxpayer funded, tax free Superannuation benefits

    • ChrisW says:

      12:31pm | 16/05/12

      500 days? Yes, have to keep the Slipper/Thomson things going until then and hope that nothing else goes wrong. Wonder how the government is going to handle the Thomson statement Monday. It is going to have to be a good deal more believable and detailed than the information given out in the interview with Oakes….but of course that was Thomson testing his toe in the waters.

    • Draconian says:

      01:22pm | 16/05/12

      It was a setup I tells ya. 

      It wasn’t me, I didn’t do it.

      He sounded like a 4 year old who was in trouble for stealing his baby sisters lollypop.

      Manup Thompson, you’re a theif and a liar.  Oh, that’s right…labor party.

    • Dave26 says:

      01:54pm | 16/05/12

      I’m not the smartest, richest or politically clued on guy getting around, but i know that under howard, life was much better than it is now. I’ve seen nothing but a long slow decline ever since labor came into power so i cant wait to put my vote behind the Giant Boot that kicks this incompetent crew out of office!!!

    • Martin says:

      03:23pm | 16/05/12

      @Dave26

      I’m not defending the loathsome Labour party or Gillard, but in fairness they’ve had to contend with a couple of massive fiscal ‘curve balls’ (to quote the baseball expression) such as the global financial meltdown and Queensland floods since coming to office. Had these events not occurred, would Australia be this far in debt ?

      Howard, for all his hubris, presided over a period of prosperity coupled with frugal spending. It would be interesting to gaze into a crystal ball and see how his government would’ve reacted to these events (had they survived 2007). I’ve a feeling they would’ve spent quitea bit of that surplus to stay afloat.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      04:38pm | 16/05/12

      @Martin

      “Howard, for all his hubris, presided over a period of prosperity coupled with frugal spending.”

      That would be frugal infrastructure spending, no? Howard was the highest taxing government (as % of GDP) in Australian history - that’s how he “manufactured” his surpluses; over taxation.

    • Rick says:

      02:43pm | 16/05/12

      My parents, taught me many things, but of all of them, first and foremost, they taught me to cherish family, they taught me to study and to work hard, they taught me to respect other people and they taught me to always, always, always that, the only way to maintain honesty and integrity in a society is with a system of true democracy in which only the people are sovereign who have some legal democratic rights so any phoney laws can be repeal or modify and of course keep evil politicians out at bay.

    • Esteban says:

      03:29pm | 16/05/12

      Tactically it is the coalition’s best interest to let this Government run its full term.

      Most of the economic damage has now been legislated or is crystalised as deficit debt. Now is the time to start the repair work.

      Cuts to the public service are met with less resistance if the cutting is done by a labor Govt. There is a hell of a fuss amongst public servants if they lose their salary under a coalition.

      Same with cutting aid and welfare payments. The ALP can get away with it easier because the cuts are being made mainly to sychophantic welded on supporters.

      Let the ALP initiate the heavy lifting and the coalition can swan in and continue what the ALP starts. The only difference this time is that Swann will repay $1.5 billion of his $174 billion deficits in his last year instead of a typical pork barreling blowout as per usual ALP form.

    • ebno says:

      09:03pm | 16/05/12

      A late September Saturday is a very unlikely election date - it will be an AFL/NRL final day (probably the AFL grand final) - they tend to be avoided unless you want the voters to be distracted. 
      Then again, maximum distraction is exactly what Labor need…

    • thatmosis says:

      09:37pm | 16/05/12

      A bullshit speech to the bullshit artists. Nobody outside the union hierarcy is listening and thats the sad truth. It wouldnt matter what she said or who she said it to people are just turned off by her and her incessant lies and spin.   
      Her disappearing number of supporters both in and out of Caucus must be wondering how in hell they actually came to the decision to elect her as PM as she leads them down the path of destruction.

 

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