# On International Women’s Day, let’s thank the blokes

Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry.
Gloria Steinem, 1969

I love how old-fashioned this Gloria Steinem quote seems today. Women’s lives have changed dramatically over the past forty years.

This is especially true here in Australia, where women and men of my generation have grown up as equals.

Our notions of being held back are focused inward. We are self-reliant, independent and act with genuine ambition on our own terms. We are free to make our own choices, and spend our lives with people who encourage them.

We have many women to thank for our fortune in life. But equally, we have many men to thank too. Most Aussie women of my generation have had the support of fathers, brothers, friends, teachers and partners, right from the word go.

That makes us a privileged bunch. We are the lucky ones. Something many of us feel acutely on days like today where we celebrate International Woman’s Day and the tireless work of many organisations and individuals, who stand up on behalf of the millions still fighting for their independence.

For the rest of us, life is what we make it. There is no hard and fast rule about marriage. We choose our own partners and enter into long term relationships as equals. We bring our own money, skills, property, friends and choices into the mix.

We have the right to choose our careers over having children, or our children over careers. Some juggle both. We are well-educated, and our minds are our own. We don’t answer to anyone.

I recently asked a group of girlfriends to nominate a man they found inspiring. Geoffrey Robertson, Eddie Mabo, Dr John Irving, Geoff Huegill, Justice Kirby, the Dalai Lama and Tom Robbins all made the list. As did a couple of men in their own lives like dads, granddads and partners.

The reasons for their nominations were varied. Many reflected their own chosen industry and higher education. Other choices highlighted personal characteristics, like ambition, innovation, confidence, pride and what it means to have a sense of duty.

These are value-laden attributes. They touch on the very heart of what makes men and women different, with respect and admiration. They are also democratic and authentic.

When you consider just how fast the women’s movement has transformed our society, that’s an incredible result.

Life still has its challenges and things are not perfect. But on this day of women, I say hooray for men, we’ve learned a lot from you.

## Most commented

• ### Emma says:

05:51am | 08/03/12

My grandma tried to talk my dad out of sending me to university (and helping me financially during my studies) because she thought it would be further my education and I should better go to a womens college that teaches cooking and ironing like she made my mother attend. After all what does a uni degree do for me when I am getting married and have children? I wouldnt mind being a better cook but I thank my dad for always supporting me and my educational/professional aspirations.

• ### cdog says:

10:02am | 08/03/12

A Uni degree might teach you how to write a paragraph that people can understand

• ### John says:

01:01pm | 08/03/12

Ah, I’m sorry Emma, but cdog, that was damn funny.

• ### Andre says:

03:15pm | 08/03/12

cdog. Best. Comment. Ever.

• ### Kate says:

07:00am | 09/03/12

Why is cdog’s comment funny? Wow, so Emma typed a little quickly while caught up in the moment of thanking her father.

You guys are not clever, just petty.

Good on you Emma.

• ### Dave M says:

06:02am | 08/03/12

“We have many women to thank for our fortune in life. But equally, we have many men to thank too. Most Aussie women of my generation have had the support of fathers, brothers, friends, teachers and partners, right from the word go.”

Well said Lucy!

I wish the feminist brigade would acknowledge this point a bit more often.

• ### Carz says:

06:52am | 08/03/12

And it would be a damn shame if men would acknowledge the fact that women do more than cook their dinner, wash skid marks out of their jocks, and keep them happy in bed. I rarely hear men acknowledge the women who raised them.

• ### fml says:

07:23am | 08/03/12

Carz,

Isn’t that what mothers day is for?

• ### Erick says:

07:23am | 08/03/12

@Carz - Maybe when women acknowledge the fact that men do almost all the hard work that provides your comfortable home, your food, your water, your electricity - and take away the sewage and garbage you create, we might be getting somewhere.

• ### Emma says:

08:18am | 08/03/12

Erick

Those men earn good money for that. They dont do it because they are such wonderful caring people.

• ### Al says:

08:25am | 08/03/12

Carz - I don’t know what sort of household you grew up in, but I never had a women who simply cooked my dinner (actualy, they never cooked dinner), washed my clothes (sorry, we kids did that too) and never had one keep them happy in bed.
So every women in my life has not met this narrow definition and I acknowledge that. The main one (my step-mother) was simply a hopeless drunk who did nothing and was a self centered bitch, so it was my father and brother who raised me, not that nasty piece of trash.

• ### rocky says:

08:41am | 08/03/12

@Erick, thanks for taking away our sewage! Really appreciated, now please have a shower.

• ### toast says:

08:49am | 08/03/12

Massive generalisation Carz, it’s people like you that p# me off!

Just remember not all men where raised by saintly women. Some men where forced to raise themselves, it’s not the status quo but it’s something feminist like you conveniently turn a blind eye to.

• ### Arthur says:

09:02am | 08/03/12

Come on Carz. Today is the first day I’ve ever read a woman’s word of gratitude towards men. I also heard it this morning from Georgie on Today.

It’s so seldom I was looking for the anti male between the lines message from therm both.

• ### fruitloop says:

09:11am | 08/03/12

What’s that sound?
squawk squawk squawk squawk squawk squawk

Oh, it’s only erick and his one track mind on autoplay.

• ### Bev says:

09:44am | 08/03/12

Carz says:07:52am | 08/03/12
There is the idea that feminism was able toget off the ground because of the labour saving devices invented by MEN reduced housework to the extent that it is today, freeing up women (and mens) time for other things. Without these advances in household engineering do you really think women would have been able leave the house to work? Or for that matter makeing it easier and less dependent on men to do the heavy lifting around the home.

• ### Bev says:

09:48am | 08/03/12

Emma says:09:18am | 08/03/12

Those men earn good money for that.

Well thats a perfect opportunity to close the “wage gap” if women were willing to take on these jobs.  They won’t though will they?

• ### Emma says:

10:30am | 08/03/12

Bev

And its being forced on the men I assume? They had no chance of doing different work or study something or work in an office? Poor men. We should file a complaint over forced labour and enslavement.

• ### Bev says:

10:51am | 08/03/12

Emma says:11:30am | 08/03/12

And its being forced on the men I assume?

As I said it’s about choice.  Don’t whing about being paid less go and get a job that does pay more. If this means getting down and dirty tough.

• ### Emma says:

11:12am | 08/03/12

Bev

And who exactly was whinging?

• ### Tom says:

11:47am | 08/03/12

Don’t worry Carz, there will always be a place for bigots like yourself in the womyn’s movement. Women with intelligence will be able to laugh at your bile and compare how their gender has moved forward from being the haters and professional victims that they used to be.

• ### Mahhrat says:

06:28am | 08/03/12

Good article Lucy.  I long for the day when we are simply “people” and there is no need to single out groups of us for special recognition too.

• ### Macca says:

07:12am | 08/03/12

Mahrat, exactly. You hardly do the pursuit of equality favour by exploiting differences

• ### fml says:

07:31am | 08/03/12

I don’t see anything wrong with it,

If it brings awareness to issues and brings us out of our pond its a good thing, are we that resentful of the world that we have to take a good thing away from another just so we feel normal? are we as a society that narcissistic?

• ### Chris L says:

08:07am | 08/03/12

I rather like the differences between genders and I see no problem exploiting the strength and focus of men and the social talents and awareness of women. Makes sense to me.

• ### subotic says:

08:08am | 08/03/12

@Macca, holy shit, you mean there are DIFFERENCES between genders?

Elvis H. Presley, who’da thunk it…..

• ### Lucy Kippist says:

08:59am | 08/03/12

@chris I completely agree with you

• ### Mahhrat says:

12:15pm | 08/03/12

@fml:  Then why give one group a privilege over another group because of their status?

This is the “equity” versus “equality” argument.  Do you want “equity” or “equality”, fml?

I’ve been told for 35 years that we should all be “equal”.  For the last 10 of those years I’ve been thinking, “Fine, but you’re not going to like it very much.”

I’m talking about helping an individual person in the ways they need to have an equity in opportunity.  I don’t care if they’re boy, girl, indigenous, anglo or anything else - if they need help, we should help them help themselves.

• ### SteveKAG says:

06:54am | 08/03/12

Do we have an international mens day?  If not why not?  After all population wise we are the minority.

Good unbiased article Lucy

• ### Warren says:

07:19am | 08/03/12

Yes we do it’s on the 19th November. it would have taken you three seconds of research to find that out, numpty.

• ### Erick says:

07:26am | 08/03/12

@SteveKAG - International Men’s Day is November 19th.

You can tell, because that’s the day when The Punch publishes no articles about men’s rights or men’s issues.

Kind of like every other day, actually. I guess it’s true what the feminists say - every day is International Men’s Day!

• ### SteveKAG says:

07:34am | 08/03/12

I think you miss the point i was making Warren.
We have this massive celebration of all things women on IWD but not a wimper is heard on November 19!

Whilst women may feel equal until they lose the inferiority complex the carry around like a hump on their back they will never be equal.

• ### marley says:

08:16am | 08/03/12

@SteveKAG - umm, if you feel women are carrying around an inferiority complex, why are you the one complaining that men don’t get enough attention on International Men’s Day.  As for massive celebrations on Women’s Day, sorry, but I missed the parade and the fireworks.  The only place I’ve ever been where it mattered much at all was in the former Soviet Union.

• ### Emma says:

08:20am | 08/03/12

It is the women that organise stuff on womens day. Maybe you men should get active and organise something for mens day instead of sitting around and complaining that nothing is happening. The women here in the office have organised heaps of events - the men didnt get involved.

• ### Warren says:

08:50am | 08/03/12

@SteveKAG. Perhaps its up to men to celebrate International Men’s day, or are you waiting for women to do the work for you?

• ### gobsmack says:

08:55am | 08/03/12

I’m getting really sick of this new political correctness that has pervaded the Punch whereby no issue specific to women can be raised without bringing male issues into the dicussion.
It is as tiresome as the acknowledgements of the traditional owners which were obligatory at any government run forum.
Ironically, among those who will not allow us to freely discuss women’s issues are many of the self-styled champions of free speech.

• ### SteveKAG says:

09:11am | 08/03/12

@Emma, we do organise something for this day, we go to the pub and talk about all things manly!

• ### Bec says:

09:24am | 08/03/12

“Massive Celebration”? Sorry to burst your bubble, but I didn’t even realise it was National Women’s Day until I came on this website - and I’m a female!

I find it amusing that so many men (Erick being the ringleader) find it ‘unfair’ that women are finally being seen as more than just housewives and second-class citizens. Men had the upperhand in society for a LONG TIME and now that women are being pushed forward to close the gap it’s an injustice for the poor males in the country.

You guys throw around the word ‘feminist’ in a negative tone for any person who mentions a positive thing about womens rights, and it’s really pathetic.

• ### Lauren says:

09:26am | 08/03/12

@Emma, we do organise something for this day, we go to the pub and talk about all things manly!

Well then, stop your whinging. If that is what you do to celebrate being men, then you don’t even need a special day - it’s a weekly occurance for most guys!

• ### amy says:

11:11am | 08/03/12

today is a very special day across Australia

its MASS EFFECT 3 day..womans day? eh I dont really see why we need it but Im not complaining

• ### Rachel says:

11:12am | 08/03/12

I’ve seen two articles about IWD today. One directed me to think about the children, the other to think about the men. Heaven forbid we think about women in any capacity other than an accessory.

• ### Erick says:

11:28am | 08/03/12

@Bec - “I find it amusing that so many men (Erick being the ringleader) find it ‘unfair’ that women are finally being seen as more than just housewives and second-class citizens.”

Please provide evidence that I “find it ‘unfair’ that women are finally being seen as more than just housewives and second-class citizens.”

You can’t, because you just made it up.

Why do you hate truth so much?

• ### griefbacon says:

12:38pm | 08/03/12

“Why do you hate truth so much?”

Erick, point out to me where Bec said she hated the truth. You can’t, because you just made it up.

I guess you read her post, and disregarding her actual, literal words, you made an assumption about her stance. Just as she has done to yours.

Sucks when it happens to you, eh?

• ### mr g says:

01:17pm | 08/03/12

@SteveKAG. Not a wimper, (sic), on November 19th.? Have you not heard of ‘Erick the Echo’? He whimpers every day, so why should Nov.19 be different. (Perhaps you are right and I owe you one. Did you mean that the ‘wimper’ is the bleat of a wimp?).
I honor my mother, (not just on some commercialised day chosen by a yank shopkeeper), and my sisters, aunties, and daughters, and most women I know. Some aren’t perfect, but then again neither am I.
My wife is my rock, and I am happy. If International Women’s Day brings the world closer by one millimetre, I am content. Some people unfortunately have a need for differences to be invented and nurtured. The French have a phrase for that, but it comes down to ‘a reason for existence’. Sad really. Perhaps it is a mental thing, and if so those people have my sympathy. Vive la difference?

• ### Paul says:

02:47pm | 08/03/12

Last year for International Mens Day I was planning a BBQ lunch at work. The plan was to celebrate all things manly around a BBQ of ‘Coat of Arms Burgers’ (Minced Kangaroo and Emu). The idea was a hit amongst the blokes.

Unfortunately the Director intervened and halted the plan due to complaints from the vegetarian women in finance.

I had offered to grill tofu for the vegetarians next to the roadkill but apparently the suggestion caused more outrage and offence resulting in a second BBQ being required so it all got to difficult.

Fellas, help me out. I have to come up with another cunning plan for this coming November.

• ### gobsmack says:

07:00am | 08/03/12

Lol.  An article for International Women’s Day praising men.
Erick has the Punch writers well trained.

• ### Nick says:

09:39am | 08/03/12

Yep, he’s the tail that wags the dog.

• ### Blind Freddy says:

11:16am | 08/03/12

Yes. Womyn did all on their own.

• ### Peter says:

11:40am | 08/03/12

Too right, gobsmack.  The Punch has becomeThe Erick Show, lately.  Personally, I’m sick of the little twerp.

• ### Geoff says:

01:53pm | 09/03/12

Wow why is there so much Erick hate?
Personally I think his posts are well thought out, a little strong/confrontational at times but do well compared to others on this forum.

• ### Brenda says:

07:13am | 08/03/12

Only when we achieve true gender equality by way of an International Men’s Day will I not laugh about this Silly Women’s Day.

But we women can pat ourselves on our backs for our very public expression of thanks to the millions of supportive, kind, hardworking and decent men in this country:

After all the years of man-bashing, covert psychological abuse, kicking them to death in the rush to out-do them, we have lately deigned to provide them with an outstanding recognition/award ——  Men’s Sheds.

• ### Lauren says:

09:29am | 08/03/12

Only when we achieve true gender equality by way of an International Men’s Day will I not laugh about this Silly Women’s Day.

November 19th. You can stop laughing now.

And I don’t know what kind of crazy shit you’ve done to men over the years, but all those things you’ve mentioned are foreign to me.

• ### Fine Cotton says:

07:24am | 08/03/12

When the day comes that the plight of women and girls in various communities no longer needs to be highlighted, that will be a great day. Until then, one of the important roles for International Women’s Day is to do just that. Highlight the terrible suffering of those who who can’t defend themself\ves and need international voices. Of course there are still great inequalities in all countries in certain socio-economic /cultural pockets that need vigilence to stamp out cruelty and injustice too. So I will w\be wearing my colours today to remember this.

• ### NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

07:33am | 08/03/12

Hi Lucy,

Really?  I have always thought that we have all achieved all that because of ourselves and our mothers wanting a better future for us? According to you, if there weren’t any differences between the two genders really, then it has not been a real challenge for you anyway, no offence intended!

Somehow, I would like you to think a little bit more deeply and look in to yourself that in our world not everyone is very fortunate and blessed like yourself, FYI.  It is so much better to look at the bigger picture, right?  Or are you just being extra careful not to upset the members of the opposite sex?

Instead of constantly apologizing, thanking and searching for approval from others endlessly as women on this planet.  Unlike you, I would much rather salute “the women only” on this special day 8th March 2012, by the way which is actually meant for all the women of the world!

Why don’t we begin with saluting women such as Ms Gloria Steinem, Ms Hillary Clinton, Ms Meryl Streep, Ms Naomi Wolf, Ms Wanda Sykes, Ms Oprah Winfrey, Ms Barbra Streisand, Ms Rosa Parks, Ms Angela Merkel, Ms Margaret Thatcher and so many others on the our lists as role models?

Another question to you “from now on can we also look forward to more women represented in very high profile & prestigious positions and especially in the Parliament Houses, of Australia, UK and USA as well?

Because I truly believe that if it wasn’t for the sheer determination, leadership,  intelligence and hard work for all the women around the world to actually change the world. Life just would not be the same!  Also I am curious to know ” if there are no male figures in our lives to support us, are we doomed for failure and disappointment only?

There are a lot of women in our world, who don’t seem to have it so easy and life seems to be a challenge on a daily basis.  I am sorry Lucy, but you certainly have picked the wrong day to salute all the men, who might have worked so tirelessly for your endeavors in life.  I am very happy that it has been an effortless and smooth sailing experience for you personally.

Sadly in conclusion I would like to say that “as women we are still suffering from this disease to please” most unfortunately,  just like the great Ms Oprah Winfrey once mentioned!  Still to this day, we might all be craving for approvals from others to make ourselves feel complete as human beings and women in our community, society and the world at large.

I also wanted to know if you actually remembered to acknowledge all the great women as role models in your life?  It should not be that difficult, right?  Kind regards to your editors.

• ### Chris L says:

08:16am | 08/03/12

One question, Neslihan. If, in a hypothetical situation, the men of the world had been unanimously determined to keep the status quo and keep women subservient, do you think the push for equal rights would have been anywere near as successful?

I suspect what Lucy is doing here is celebrating how far we have come as a society regarding women’s rights and acknowledging that men have played a large role in making this happen.

If you want an article focussing on the plight of women in less fortunate lands you need simply select another of the articles posted on the Punch today.

• ### SteveKAG says:

08:38am | 08/03/12

“Ms Gloria Steinem, Ms Hillary Clinton, Ms Meryl Streep, Ms Naomi Wolf, Ms Wanda Sykes, Ms Oprah Winfrey, Ms Barbra Streisand, Ms Rosa Parks, Ms Angela Merkel, Ms Margaret Thatcher “

If some of these women are your heros, good luck to you.

Hillary Clinton??? A left wing politician who stood by her cheating, lying husband.
Oprah has done more damage to the womens movement of the world than any single person i could think of.
Meryl Streep, an actress???
Barbara Striesand - A recluse, incsecure singer, lovely but what is there to look up to?
Whilst Thatcher reached the heights of british politics she is barely someone to look up to, universally disliked, universally disrespected.

Good luck!

• ### NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

08:59am | 08/03/12

Hi there,

I was right to assume that some men would be upset, once again! But I sincerely hope that there were no major harm done to your male egos!

Can we also say that there seems to be a definite role reversal, just looking that some topics such as abortion, breastfeeding are actually trusted in the dedicated hands of the valuable and integral part of the Punch’s male contributors, lately!

Hey, I just wanted to ask one more time “is this really all about winning the hearts, approvals and permissions from the members of the opposite sex, only”? A bit like winning the votes of the male population for a change!  Or trying to please the dedicated male readers’ egos once again? Kind regards to all.

• ### Lucy Kippist says:

09:05am | 08/03/12

Hi Neslihan, I do not mean any disrespect to you, my women role models or the millions of other women who struggle for independence and equality today. I completely agree that I have been fortunate in a way many others have not. My point was to show how far we have come here in Australia in this regard and how lucky we are. This is my experience and that of many of my peers. I think it is equally important to highlight our successes and how equality does work, on the same day we recognize others still fighting for it.

• ### Lucy says:

09:51am | 08/03/12

@nesilhan absolutely not

• ### Chris L says:

10:32am | 08/03/12

@Neslihan - good to see you apply your misinterpretations to everyone equally and not just single out Lucy. The very essence of equality.

• ### Liz says:

10:33am | 08/03/12

Naomi Wolfe spoke at the Opera house in the lead up to International Women’s day, as did Germaine Greer.  Towards the end of her talk Wolfe articulated that it was time that feminism took an inclusive approach to men in order for equilibrium between the sexes to hold. I was quite impressed by this. Coming from a feminist icon, it was quite an incredible suggestion. Perhaps, Neslihan, taking the bigger picture in to account, it would be better to say that there are plenty of people out there doing it tough? As an educated person with access to the internet and the ability to have and express an opinion on a public forum, you are not as oppressed as you care to acknowledge. The sheer determination of women of bygone days has given you the freedom with which you write. Perhaps you should be less in attack of contemporary women having views to inclusive equality and be more welcoming of new views.  As a liberated women perhaps you could look at acknowledging the role of virtuous men such as those listed in Lucy’s article as a powerful and brave step towards the next wave of feminisim, rather than a quest for approval, from either gender.

• ### Antifeminist One says:

11:28am | 08/03/12

Women have their own gyms, restaurants, health industry, affirmative action, immeasurable preferential treatment in society and the law, and now their own day of recognition.

The article is a welcome hat-tip towards closing the ever-increasing chasm between men and women.

And you still complain.

• ### Audra Blue says:

11:55am | 08/03/12

Which restaurants are women only?

• ### Antifeminist One says:

12:32pm | 08/03/12

@Audra, of all the points in my post, you chose to respond to that?

Tilley’s in Canberra comes to mind as one venue that discriminated against men (until of course, the policy was forcibly changed).

Or simply enough:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=“women+only”+restaurant

• ### Utopia Boy says:

06:24pm | 08/03/12

Oprah Winfrey is a role model?
Careful ladies or you’ll end up (back) in the dark ages….

• ### Martin says:

07:45am | 08/03/12

@Warren

SteveKAG probably knew that, but was determined to make that bait-comment anyway. I’m guessing he was that kid that threw rocks at backyard dogs and stuck sticks into bull-ants nests just to see the reaction.

• ### SteveKAG says:

08:42am | 08/03/12

I don’t mind throwing in a little bomb but on this one occasion i was more trying to make a point than get a baited reaction. Although my subsequent reply is intended to be bait. LOL

• ### I hate pies says:

08:32am | 08/03/12

Us blokes are all right

09:19am | 08/03/12

I agree.

And congratulations on a lovely article, Lucy. Nothing wrong with smelling the roses!

• ### Kid Handsome says:

08:36am | 08/03/12

You mean today isn’t entirely devoted to celebrating the release of Mass Effect 3?

• ### amy says:

10:42am | 08/03/12

damn arbitrairy release dates (its not like EB games hasnt had any copies outback since the actual release day)

but its actually kind of apropriate, on womans day we can celebrate one of the most awsome women in gaming..COMANDER SHEPARD!!! (who now looks good from more than 2 angles….and can be on the cover)

I pick up my pre-order today…OMGICANTWAIT!!!

• ### James1 says:

08:41am | 08/03/12

• ### RyaN says:

10:26am | 08/03/12

I think it is fantastic that the playing field has been “levelled” for all, regardless of race, gender or ethnicity. It will be an even greater achievement when these special days, special provisions for employment and divisive problems stop being played along these lines and we are all truly equal.

No more womens or mens sports, just sports. No more employment quotas just employees. No more womens / mens / black / white / grey days, just people.

I look forward to the day we are truly equal, not just some being more equal than others.

• ### Economist says:

12:15pm | 08/03/12

RyaN, thanks for the positive comment. Personally I think we are moving to this. Each generation seems to improve on it compared with past generations.

Just the other day I was watching “the Help” with family including my 7 year old niece. She couldn’t understand or comprehend why African American were being treated differently in the past and what it was all about. Similarly my own child, exposed to a mix of Child Carer workers from different backgrounds, including male CC workers makes no distinction and happily plays dolls with girls at his pre-school and the girls happily play in the mud and climb trees with the boys.

• ### Ted says:

02:02pm | 08/03/12

Yes, RyaN, such a positive comment.  Normally you are really quite sarcastic, but not this time, apparently.  Good on you mate!

• ### Dan Webster says:

11:01am | 08/03/12

Men also give what the ladies want in the bedroom….. (flowers)

• ### Mouse says:

11:37am | 08/03/12

Flowers in the bedroom, Dan??  Only if it is rose petals scattered all over the bed before we get there! lol :o)

• ### St. Michael says:

01:42pm | 08/03/12

Actually, a positive thing that has come out of the female equality movement: women now admit they want orgasms, and as many as possible, just as much as men do.

Rightly, the Mens’ Rights movement recognises that men actually now want in the bedroom what women often complained they weren’t getting: an emotional connection and a shared experience beyond a bit of rhythmic friction with a moist ending.

• ### Farken says:

11:30am | 08/03/12

“Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry.
Gloria Steinem, 1969
I love how old-fashioned this Gloria Steinem quote seems today. Women’s lives have changed dramatically over the past forty years.
This is especially true here in Australia, where women and men of my generation have grown up as equals.” the quote is right the other only from a woman’s point of view

• ### Farken says:

11:31am | 08/03/12

i still find if you treat women as equal most women don’t like it

• ### amy says:

11:59am | 08/03/12

examples?

• ### Al says:

12:20pm | 08/03/12

Amy - here are a few.
Girlfriend moves in with you and then is shocked that you expect them to pay an equal share in rent.
Women who ask you out and then still expect you to pay for everything on the date.
Women who get offended if you don’t offer them your seat on the bus/train etc.
Women who get angry that despite being paid the same hourly rate they expect more as they choose to take time off (for having babies etc) and as such over a lifetime earn less.

• ### Dan Webster says:

12:42pm | 08/03/12

@ Amy - If I wear the same dress as my wife and do my hair and nails the same (being equal), she get’s angry.

• ### amy says:

01:06pm | 08/03/12

unfortunatly things get a bit “mixed up” in what is expected of us

I am genuinly surrpised at how often I am offered to enter the elavator first by men at work, I say thankyou and ackowelge it (I dont expect it, though Im hardly going to start a debate on the matter at the time) some women I imagine..still expect it

equality means that we pay our share of the meal, I once had a boyfreind who often gave me gifts, I didnt like it at all (I know his intentions were good) because at the time I was broke and couldnt afford to repay the gesture, It didnt feel right, I felt like I was leeching,

@Dan Webster - I imagine she wouldn’t like it because it calls your sexuality into question (a double standard..yes)

• ### redvixen says:

01:30pm | 08/03/12

OK Al, I need some more examples because:
a) I would, and have, paid equal rent
b) I would, and have, paid for everything on a date
c) would never get offended that I’m not offered a seat on a bus/train.  I have two good legs that are capable of standing.  However, on the very odd occassion that I’m offerred a seat by a man I accept graciously because they believe they’re helping me.
d) I believe the trade-off is that you are able to bring a (hopefully) good person into the world.

I was brought up in a family where I wasn’t allowed to do certain things ‘because you’re a girl’ and I hated it.  I’m not a tom-boy by any means. I just don’t think I have a privileged place in society at the detriment of some-one else.

So, I’m seriously asking for more examples.  I’d like to think that I wouldn’t get upset at anything if I was treated the same as a man, so would like to give consideration to anything you can think of.

• ### Al says:

01:40pm | 08/03/12

redvixen - I wasn’t trying to suggest all women do this type of behaviour.
I know that isn’t true.
Here is another example:
How much outcry do you think there would be if women only sports were banned and all people have to compete against each other in the olympics regardless of sex?
There is an example of if you try to treat everyone as equal there will be a huge outcry (i.e. most women don’t/won’t like it ).

• ### amy says:

03:36pm | 08/03/12

@Al

thats just pure science..we know we cant compete with men athletically so we need to be judged on our own terms

alot of other things however….no so much

• ### redvixen says:

04:24pm | 08/03/12

OK Al, you’ve got me on that one.  Although my preferred sport is tennis where I play mixed doubles, so it wouldn’t apply.

But I would hate the concept.  It is one thing that we simply can’t be equal in, generally, because of pure physiology.

• ### Em says:

03:53pm | 09/03/12

Actually, AI, all things being equal… I would suggest that in sports they are already equal. Men and women have different physiology…  The fact that they are allowed to compete is an example of that equality. There was a very, very long time when women were banned from even going to the Olympics as spectators, let alone competitors.

Of course this brings us back to women on the front line - no I don’t agree with it. And I’m female. Women simply don’t have the physical strength to equal a bloke’s.  They’d be far more use in the tactical areas of warfare.

• ### Audra Blue says:

11:49am | 08/03/12

I’d never heard of International Women’s Day until about 5 years ago when I worked for the NAB.  They did a huge thing for the day in all their corporate offices and branches.

These days I never remember about it unless I’m payingparticular attention to the news.  So I’ve had a few years of not even realising the occasion had come and gone.

• ### KH says:

12:12pm | 08/03/12

My bro is the greatest man I know….........he is the best, my sister in law is the best (so excellent choice), and he is the best dad in the whole entire universe.  So there.

• ### MarkS says:

12:13pm | 08/03/12

Why did the allies win WW2?

part of the answer is the women of the Allies. Among the evil ideas that Nazism & Bushido had was that women where good for being mothers only.

So when the war become a war of material, of which could produce the most weapons. The Nazi’s turned to slave labour, the Allies to their women. A woman who knows the weapons she is producing will help her loved ones live will work much harder & better than some brutalised slave.

So Wanda the Welder paid a large part. This does not mean that the men doing the fighting did not pay a part as well, but the men of the Axis states where fighting just as hard.  Victory created a slow burn in our societies, if woman could work like men during the war then why should they go back to the kitchen.

As it is international day of women, let us recall that the peoples of the free world owe our freedom to women as well as men.

• ### Erick says:

12:40pm | 08/03/12

Well said, MarkS.

• ### Jason says:

12:51pm | 08/03/12

Hi Lucy,

Thank you for this article and *acknowledging* that men, too, were actively participatory in the campaign led by women since the early 20th century.

We, men, have grandmothers and mothers and other important female figures that shape the lives we have today, and in my case, I am thankful for the success and knowledge to deal with life’s hurdles because of those people.

• ### Laceflower says:

04:36pm | 08/03/12

International Men’s Day this 2012 is focused on HELPING MEN AND BOYS LIVE LONGER, HAPPIER, HEALTHIER LIVES:

Note the objective of, “TACKLING TOLERANCE OF VIOLENCE AGAINST MEN AND BOYS”

• ### Utopia Boy says:

06:38pm | 08/03/12

I have three sisters. One is a lawyer, one is a housewife (married to an SAS soldier), and the other is a world traveller and entrepreneur.
All have the lives they want because of the support from BOTH their parents (not divorced) when growing up.

Let’s spare a thought for the women in Swaziland, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, UAE, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt and any other muslim country. These women are oppressed beyond anything an Australian who hasn’t travelled could possibly believe. In case you are thinking of jumping a plane and heading to Saudi Arabia ladies - forget it. You need to be accompanied by your husband / brother / father, or have permission from them to be there. You’ll also need a driver because you are not allowed to drive. You had better buy a full burka as well, otherwise you may be arrested, charged and found guilty of being offensive before you can say “Holy Lack Of Freedom” Batman.
While you are in the wonderful kingdom of Slaves R Us, you’ll also not want to sit in the same part of a restaurant as a male who is not your chaperone; you can get in a bit of trouble for doing that. If you are of a religious nature, or more specifically a muslim woman, be sure to attend the mosque during women only timings for fear of being beaten.

Certainly, Australia has made some impressive improvements since the 1950’s (and even before), but there is much to be done.

Give yourselves a golf clap and keep moving forward.

• ### Joan Bennett says:

06:58am | 09/03/12

Feminism has done a real number on men, it seems.  Men invented the myth of the maternal instinct so long ago to keep women occupied with children so it was difficult to do all the things they wanted while the fellas did whatever.  Now, guys are expected to be involved in the child rearing!  It’s ironically hilarious, don’t you think?  Once it gets to plague proportions, I am sure that they will debunk this myth that women are unfulfilled if they don’t produce offspring.  I’m just sad that it won’t happen in my lifetime.

• ### Em says:

03:25pm | 09/03/12

Thank you, Grandad for teaching me how to cook, how to drive, how to check my tyre pressure and oil levels and where to find the goddamn transmission fluid tank in my car… and how to change a washer… and lay tiles… and service a lawn mower myself… and…

Thank you, Dad, for leaving my mum.  We proved us three girls could survive the big bad world without you quite well and even thrive.

Thank you husband, for leaving the laundry well enough alone and not turning all my whites grey or red and for taking care of me when I feel the need to be a helpless girl sometimes.

LOL

• ### Ann Berlin says:

08:09am | 05/10/12

Joan Bennett your kind would shoot men if you could. I hope lightning kills you. Women do have a maternal instinct, its one of the strongest bonds in nature, like how elephants and whales care for their young, what is a myth is that they don’t. I bet you don’t support the womens rights of the unborn female child. Meh true feminism would recognize all women as equal and not just the ones in a position of power and responsibility who spurn said responsibility by overiding the maternal instinct and killing the unborn child without even an informed conscious because you secret women haters would not want a women to realize quite what your doing as you seem to love killing unborn women who are treated like lesser citizens by your faux equality drive much like how white people used to murder black people in the deep south, no doubt if it where a white female killing a black man it would be because he as a male repressed her and nothing to do with the fact some women can be racist and violent….

No doubt you also don’t acknowledge domestic violence against men, agree with Germain greer that a young girl is flirting with her dad when she kisses him (what total nonsense btw), and think if a 13 year old boy was abused by his female teacher its cool, rather than predatory.  Incidently your loveless sex idolatry has led to not just oversexualized men but women who can no longer think about intellectual issues and who are, as a collective, becoming more preadtory towards young boys, sure its a slow drip just now but it could easily become a flood.  I don’t see how eradicating a womens natural need for a partner or a mans natural need is empowering at all, and seems your kind are trying to project your sexual perversions and idiocy onto the masses, via your illuminated control of the media. Most sane women are rejecting your absurd and unbalanced view of the world, lets face it you want no one to have intimacy and want babies to be produced exclusively in test tubes and raised by people who’s job it is to look after them, after all that would create a lot of paid jobs and free people from having to have any responsibilities what so ever.

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