We already have two classes of citizens in our country - those with shared loyalties having dual citizenships and those with only loyalty to Australia.

Passports: a document of convenience for some dual citizens.

Only the latter can be elected to the Australian Parliament.

This shared loyalty concept raises interesting questions when someone commits a heinous crime or crimes in Australia.

Australia is a generous country which offers opportunities to people lucky enough to be accepted into Australia as a migrant or refugee.

The position of someone, who retains citizenship of another country and commits a major felony, whilst legally in this country, deserves to be looked at.

The position is simpler when a migrant is here on a visa and not yet a citizen.  Take the reported case of Turkish migrant, Mehmet Ince, aged 31 years who migrated to Australia in 1995 and committed 30 crimes in two years, including murdering a Melbourne plumber, Ian Broadbent.  His visa was cancelled in 2004. He appealed and this was rejected in 2005.

Why is he still here you might ask?  Well he is due to be deported to Turkey as I write. The murdered victim’s mother is relieved; the Minister, thankfully, has refused to intervene to keep him here citing the best interests of Australia as a major reason.

And the murderer’s response was to claim he deserved to stay, answering the anguish of the mother of the murdered man with an insult reportedly claiming that to throw him out will not bring back her dead son and only hurt him (the murderer) and his mother.

Australia is well rid of this murderer but what if he had managed to get dual citizenship prior to his committing 30 crimes, including murder.

Could we have sent him back? Or would we have sent him back?

The answer is we probably would not.  But the question remains in this type of case whether we should send him back.

Would he have breached his solemn oath (or affirmation) to abide by the laws of Australia?

I can only see this question arising where there is dual citizenship.

In the light of the most recent Somali terrorist arrests and charges these questions may become very relevant should some, or any, Somali/Australia dual citizen be convicted.

Personally I think we should send them back and this may have the added benefit of preventing any backlash against the particular group they come from as people could see this as justice being done.

The government must demonstrate that there is no place in Australia for someone who has sworn allegiance to Australia but is a jihardi extremist intent on murdering Australian soldiers.

On the web, and the ets:

Thank God for the net.

How else could we get first, awareness and secondly, access to a range of views on the links between the financial markets and climate change. Out there, there is a debate raging.

Those contributing to the debate, like Rolling Stones’ Matt Taibbi, with his “The Great American Bubble Machine” published in July 2009.

Extraordinary stuff but his very lengthy article is compelling if contentious reading. It certainly puts up a convincing argument as to why financial players want a cap and trade scheme wether or not it does anything to improve climate change.

It won’t be a good little earner, it will be a great big earner for the traders.

Taibbi writes: “There will be limits for coal plants, utilities, natural-gas distributors and numerous other industries on the amount of carbon emissions (a.k.a greenhouse gases) they can produce per year. If the companies go over their allotment, they will be able to buy allocations or credits from other companies that have managed to produce fewer emissions.”

The feature of this plan that has special appeal to speculators is that the ‘cap’ on carbon will be continually lowered by the government, which means that carbon credits will become more and more scarce with each passing year. Which means that this is a brand new commodities market where the main commodity to be traded is guaranteed to rise in price over time”.

The volume of this new market will be upwards of a trillion dollars annually, for comparison’s sake, the annual combined revenues of electricity suppliers in the United States total $320 billion.

Out with Collateralised Debt Obligations (CDO’s) and Credit Default Swaps and in with the new trade in carbon derivatives – and all in the name of saving the planet.

At least the Investment Group on Climate Change here in Australia who are lobbying to have the government legislation passed admit their aim is “to protect their individual investors financial future”.

The trade in paper will make sensational profits for traders while costs for the production of one of modern society’s essentials – electricity will rise and be fed into the price we will all have to pay.

Make no mistake, the government’s ETS policy, is bad policy, it will increase the cost of living and decrease wages, for those lucky enough to keep a job. Result, punters worse off, and for what? That’s why we will remain firm on opposing it in the Senate tomorrow.

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    • JB says:

      09:04am | 12/08/09

      Excellent stuff. Interesting and contributes to the debate… Only you haven’t canvassed any alternative to an ETS, indeed you want negotiations to improve the current ETS so you can have your finger in the pie. Having just read Senator Fielding’s article before this I have to say, why aren’t you taking the place of the leadership vacuum that exists with the Rudd Labor government? Why is an ETS the only way? Maybe a CARBON TAX perhaps??
      Please consider the intelligence of Australians in this debate. It’s moved beyond a yes/no answer, to finding the best policy answer.
      Never dumb down the debate for the sake of the ignorant.

    • Naomi says:

      09:09am | 12/08/09

      Bronwyn, are you trying to say that people with dual citizenship are second class citizens in Australia?

    • Greg says:

      09:09am | 12/08/09

      Oh Bronwyn,
      The fact is, if you are an Australian Citizen it is irrelevant if you also have another citizenship while you are in Australia.  You seem to imply that dual citizens are somehow a second class of citizen, and potentially should be treated as such, with different treatments under the law.  This is counter to the definition of citizen and the basis of an equal society where all citizens are equal. 

      Whether we like it or not we have to treat all citizens the same, because not doing so would go against the fabric of what makes Australia great.

    • Kate says:

      09:41am | 12/08/09

      I have triple citizenship (Aust, USA, NZ) and think the concept of citizenship reflecting loyalty to a nation is pretty old fashioned.  I have lived in Australia since I was 7 years old and consider myself an Australian.  The other citizenships are due to my parents and I have kept them as they would be handy for international travel - not for any other complicated reason.  To ‘send me home’ if I should break an Australian law would be ridiculous as I am much more Australian than otherwise.  I should be treated as an Australian as I have Australian citizenship and my other citizenships are irrelevant.  Visas however, are a different story.

    • R.E.L. says:

      09:56am | 12/08/09

      Bronwyn, I believe that a partial solution may be to only allow for dual citizenship with fellow liberal democracies.
      For example, if someone immigrates to Australia from the US, Canada, UK, most European countries, etc. then they should be allowed to retain dual citzenship as the values of these countries are common.
      If however, they come from countries like Somalia, Iran, Zimbabwe - whence they ostensibly fled from that kind of environment in order to accept ours - they should be forced to renounce the citizenship of their former country.

    • AB says:

      10:05am | 12/08/09

      Following Bronwyn’s ‘logic’ if we send the Somalian Australian’s back to Somalia, and then they commit a crime there the Somalian government should deport them back to Australia.

      As for the ETS, the coalition doesn’t seem to know what its stance is, just that it should involve more money going to the polluters.

    • AT says:

      12:38pm | 12/08/09

      Dual citizens are not 2nd class citizens as BB implies in her very xenophobic article. Australia is the land of immigrants, and people with dual citizenships and multicultural backgrounds.
      Parents may have passed on another nationality to their children, or they wish to keep their link to another country which adds a richness to their background. This does not make them candidates for deportation from the land that they have chosen to live in and support, pay taxes in, and bring up their children- they love Australia as much as the Australian with one nationality.  It is great that we have people with all these links to other languages, nationalities, traditions, ways of thinking - as it has made Australia great and strong - a land where we think *outside the box* and where people are openly accepting others, and offer their friendship to all. BB is another Pauline Hanson.

    • formersnag says:

      12:59pm | 12/08/09

      Thank you Bronwyn, first politician, i have heard talking about the wall street angle on an ETS.

      Why not have lower corporate taxation, for “good corporate citizens”, who meet an industry standard, to do less polluting, run better corporate governance, etc.

      The Howard government announced a policy to phase out incandescent light bulbs in favour of the more efficient ones. Why not, more of the same? Phase out electric hot water systems in favour of solar, etc?

    • stephen says:

      02:21pm | 12/08/09

      It’s where you live, I think , which should dictate a person’s legal and moral responsibilities.
      Dual-citizenship (notice the hyphen?) only declares a geography, and as such, is worthless.

    • Susan says:

      02:49pm | 12/08/09

      Bronwyn questions the loyalty of those with dual citizenship particularly those of migrant backgrounds. It should never be forgotten that the Australia we know today was founded on migrants. Each new migrant wave has made outstanding contributions to Australia. it is our sucess story rivaled by few. If we are to be petty about crime and those with dual-citizenship I may point out that the majority of offenders in Australia would have Australian only citizenship. How loyal is your average Australian? How would he or she be different to someone who has dual or triple citizenship? I say “yes” to dual or triple citizenship and “no” to inward looking human Australians like Bronwyn.

    • Phil says:

      02:56pm | 12/08/09

      Dual citizenship makes it possible for a migrant - or his children - to maintain their roots as individuals.

      Surely the effect of loss of spiritual roots amongst the aboriginal community is a clear refutation of the kind of nonsense Bronwyn is spitefully spouting.  Loss of roots is a factor in criminality.  Dual citizenship bridges the generations it takes to fully assimilate.  It is good for the mental health of our nation

      Australia as a whole gains by having its citizens able to work overseas in their home country - or in the case of Europe in their whole continent of origin.  Many people working overseas in areas having trade links with Australia are dual citizens.  Australia gains from these unsevered personal links

      As for Bronwyn’s newly invented “class system” - it’ll never replace the real class division, which is about the possession of wealth and of the means of production

      Bronwyn seems to specialise in being just plain wrong.  Quite a talent and a very poor advert for our education system! - Can’t even understand class Bronwyn? - yep I thought that was the case.

    • johnv_au says:

      03:20pm | 12/08/09

      Bronwyn sees her opportunity to have a go at the vacant office of leader of opposition,(well soon to be ) nothing like a Controversial issue to get noticed
      You can also try capital punishment the public loves that one

    • RobJ says:

      03:38pm | 12/08/09

      Hey Bronwyn, I’m a triple citizen myself. I’ve lived here all my adult life, paid my taxes in this country. You’ve given me an excellent reason to never ever vote for you or any party you may be a member of. No doubt, just like last time you didn’t think before you pressed ‘submit’, didn’t think how many potential voters you’d be alienating with your narrow minded, old fashioned views. “Could we have sent him back? Or would we have sent him back?” Well, Duh, what’s wrong with prison? The horse has bolted, it’s not like deporting murderers are going to bring the victims back. You are an anachronism Bronwyn, but please, keep up this nonsense, so that we can all see why we shouldn’t vote for Tory dinosaurs….

    • Razor says:

      06:20pm | 12/08/09

      Australia should not allow multiple citizenship.  Either you are an Australian or you aren’t.

    • missingaustraliainamerica says:

      08:33am | 18/08/09

      I’ve always been under the impression that modern Australia was a nation made up of Indigenous inhabitants and migrants. There isn’t really a clear-cut mould of what it is to be an “Australian”. What makes Australia such a fantastic country is the influence of hundreds of cultures, and our multiculturalism is something to be proud of.
      Having migrated to Australia at a young age, I consider myself to be an Australian with ethnic roots. Integrating my culture into the broader Australian one has has been a fun and enriching experience, one which has fuelled my passion for my career choice (refugee resettlement). As appreciative as I am of the opportunties I have been provided in Australia, most of my relatives are still abroad and I do travel frequently to visit them. However it is difficult and extremely costly to obtain visas to visit my home country, and there is something unnerving about having to go through the bureaucratic channels to go “home”.
      As soon as I was able to, I applied for dual citizenship. This has enabled me (and no doubt thousands of others) who have left family abroad to feel a connection to their home land and maintain a link to their cultural roots. To treat dual citizens as second-class citizens is not only offensive, it diminishes the role that their cultural contributions have made to Australia. As for national “loyalties”, I am sure you will find that most dual citizens (whose primary residence is in Australia) actively contribute to Australian life and the economy, and use their link to their home land as a practical solution as well as emotional attachment.

 

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