You know you’re in strife as a political leader when you must rely on the almost uniformly vacuous medium of Twitter to demonstrate that your leadership is safe. Yet so it was with Julia Gillard, who said she was satisfied with government whip Joel Fitzgibbon’s declaration (in 140 characters or less) that she had his support.

In closing may I say LOL Mr Speaker. Photo: Gary Ramage

“I thank my colleagues for the publicity but no one does more to support the PM and the government than me!” Fitzgibbon wrote from his Twitter handle @fitzhunter to quell suggestions he was canvassing alternate leaders. It was schoolyard stuff – “hey JG we are still cool and UR awesome J Fitz xoxo” – made more so by the addition of a chirpy exclamation mark.

Setting the specifics of Julia Gillard’s leadership aside, the broader problem for the Government is that this latest flare-up goes to the one thing which threatens to kill it dead. And that is the perception that it is too busy focussing on its own survival to concentrate fully on issues which affect the day to day lives of Australians.

The question of allowing foreign guest workers to take up employment in Australia’s mines is the kind of issue which would always energise the minds of many voters. Not necessarily for the most noble of reasons. There is a whiff of jingoism to the debate, harking back as it does to a time when a magazine such as The Bulletin carried “Australia for the white man” under its masthead, when we railed against the use of islanders on the cane fields.

The reality is somewhat different in a globalised economy, and a country where unemployment is at historic lows. Many Australian workers are reluctant to move to take up employment in remote parts of the country, whatever the financial incentives may be.

Setting aside the jingoistic component to this debate, Australians still have every right to have a mature discussion about whether we should be importing people from other countries to do work which Australians could do. Similar debates take place in other countries. Indeed there are plenty of places which totally ban foreigners from working there at all, so we should not beat up on ourselves too much.

The problem the Government has it that it could and should have managed this debate but has instead made a hash of it because of the fragility of both its grip on power and the prime minister’s grip on the leadership.

Labor MPs were yesterday scratching their heads trying to work out how a policy which the government had actually signed off on a long time ago had transformed into (another) flashpoint for the survival of the government and the prime minister.

The use of the so-called Enterprise Migration Agreements to let foreign workers fill gaps in industries suffering labour shortages was approved last year and referred to in Treasurer Wayne Swan’s Budget speech. This is why the Prime Minister’s apparent confusion about when she did or didn’t know about it is so odd, and can only be seen as an indication of just how chaotic things have become as she tries to keep the show on the road.

The unions – some of them – need to be taken to task too about their hysterical reaction to the proposal. As Michael Pascoe revealed on Fairfax websites yesterday, a fact sheet was actually circulated at this month’s ACTU Congress spelling out not just how the Enterprise Migration Agreements would work, but also outlining the specifics of the actual arrangement involving Labor’s bete noir, the world’s richest woman mining billionaire Gina Rinehart.

“The first proposed EMA is for the Roy Hill project in WA,” it read. “The proposal is for around 1500 visa positions over the three year life of the project, with the majority of these visas being sought in semi-skilled occupations.”

Oops. Australian Workers Union boss Paul Howes was at the ACTU Congress but clearly didn’t read it. Either that or he was engaging in a bit of wilfully ignorant tub-thumping on behalf of his membership – or possibly on behalf of his closest mate in politics, Labor leadership aspirant Bill Shorten.

The depressing thing about all this is that some of what Howes said in his criticisms of the EMA made sense, or at least gave voice to the concerns Australians would have about their use, but was lost in the fog of everything else.

Setting aside what I said above about the realities of globalisation and the low levels of unemployment, when Australia is struggling with the contradictory demands of a booming mining sector and a contracting manufacturing sector, it should be incumbent on the Government to ensure that any displaced worker is given the chance of getting a foot in the door should new vacancies emerge in a different industry. It is right and fair that Australian workers should be given preference ahead of foreign workers, as long as the process is not so drawn out that big employers lose their commercial advantage. Julia Gillard would counter that this is what she has done with the insertion of such a provision. But the process which got her there was such a shambles that it’s unlikely to have won her any plaudits from a hostile electorate.

To finish where I began, with social media – if you cast your mind back to 2009 it was Julia Gillard who had great sport with Joe Hockey when he embarrassingly used social media to gauge public support for a carbon tax ahead of the Liberal leadership spill.

“He can’t govern the nation by tweet,” Ms Gillard said.

“People don’t expect their politicians to just text out a message - imagine, you know, `What do you think the defence budget should be?’ And apparently a whole lot of tweets come back and you accept that. That’s not leadership.”

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    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      06:30am | 29/05/12

      And it is another week of Labor damage control.

    • Borderer says:

      08:29am | 29/05/12

      Kieth, you mean “just another week?”
      You’d think that a minister in the labor party would have taken a moments pause and gone “you know this may be a bit contentious, best run it past JG.” I mean you could forgive the LNP for not giving a rats about the fallout with the unions but the ALP? 
      Utter muppets.

    • Arthur says:

      08:45am | 29/05/12

      Borderer. I think you’re suggesting the PM knew nothing. This will turn out to be yet another poorly kept lie and another hammering of the integrity of this country’s “leader” .

    • Borderer says:

      09:26am | 29/05/12

      Arthur,
      Yoiu see I’m in kind of two minds about it, I find myself conflicted in that I can niether underestimate Gillard’s ability to lie or the labor party ministers to be utterly incompetant, both are quite plausable and niether is good for the nation. I flipped a coin and it came up heads so I went with incompetant minister, best two out of three?

    • Max Power says:

      11:22am | 29/05/12

      What I don’t understand is why Gillard has to lie about everything. Why couldn’t she just tell the truth about when she found out about the deal with Gina.
      I firmly believe that Gillard is a pathological liar.

    • Tom says:

      03:00pm | 29/05/12

      Borderer,

      “There’s absolutely no doubt about the timing. Julia Gillard’s office was informed, in detail, of the deal to bring in foreign workers at least a week before it was announced.”

      http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/julia-gillard-is-nearing-the-end-of-her-prime-ministership-20120528-1zfcq.html#ixzz1wEJnfBrN

      As the article says above the EMA was doing the rounds at the ACTU Conference.

      “The first proposed EMA is for the Roy Hill project in WA,” it read. “The proposal is for around 1500 visa positions over the three year life of the project, with the majority of these visas being sought in semi-skilled occupations.”

      One gets the impression that Gillard just doesn’t care how many lies she she gets caught out at. This suggests that she is confident that the electorate will forget or that the relentless “AbbottAbbottAbbott” media campaigning will overcome all decency and reasoning.

    • acotrel says:

      06:30am | 29/05/12

      I watched parliament question time yesterday and I accept the explanation about the agreement.  Is there a problem ?
      Last year we had people from Fiji and Papua working on the train line from Melbourne to Sydney - how is this different ? Are we being invaded again ?

    • Epitome says:

      07:35am | 29/05/12

      “and I accept the explanation about the agreement”

      We know you do. You’d accept any tripe flowing from the mouth of a Labor MP as gospel.

    • Joan says:

      07:52am | 29/05/12

      Acotrel: The problem is Gillard bending the truth as always. - honesty and a quality meaningful honest straight answer at question time to questions put by from Opposition not part of Gillard makeup - Australia just gets manipulative language and deceit and verbal abuse.  Gillard uses imported labour McTernan in her office - her foreign puppet master. the foreigner pulling her strings and rest of Labor ministers.  Gillard shows how it is done as she picks and chooses to import labour for her use . I don’t believe we should have any foreigner in charge of government actions as does McTernan. However I`m all for mass guest labour imports- houses built in just six months not two years, half the cost , renovations completed in a timely manner,and cost less , infrastructure built for less cost and faster,  NBN laid down fast in two years - halve the cost. and so on. Bring on the import labourers. If its good enough for Gillard with appointmant of McTernan- the rest of Australia should be allowed that right too.- import labour wherever it is needed.

    • Arthur says:

      08:52am | 29/05/12

      I’m guessing you’re not in the job market Joan and won’t be in the competition for any jobs foreigners are willing to do for less?

      Perhaps you’ll care when your friends and relatives can’t find work.

      Some of the examples I’ve read recently are a disgrace. Of course we’re lacking skilled workers, because they can be imported. No need to train Australians.

      Come on independents. How long can you let this government go on?

    • Steve says:

      09:04am | 29/05/12

      acrotrel you are so politically biased that if the ALP told you black was white you would believe it.  I listened to the same Question Time and Chris Bowen clearly contradicted his PM - “I told her last week” whereas the PM clearly claimed she only learnt of their 1 year old policy the day she got back from the Chicago meeting.  Which one is telling the truth? You just don’t seem to get it.  Both sides of politics support this policy.  it is just that the ALP just simply cannot deliver policies without some sort of damage control needing to be put in place.  That is the problem.

    • Joan says:

      10:23am | 29/05/12

      Arthur: Australians don’t care about manufacturing jobs or retail jobs, textile, clothing, books cds, dvds etc etc as they source cheap prices off the internet and brag about not paying Australian price. All Australians want cheaper housing, renovation costs, - if we can get it from a company sourcing cheaper labour at lower cost from outside Australia no different to sourcing cheap goods from outside Australia. What`s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    • Leo says:

      10:26am | 29/05/12

      When the story broke and the unions anger was turned on Gillard, she claimed she was outraged and that she only found out about the deal a couple of days prior, she also claimed she tried to intervene but it was already signed off. The Labor immigration minister, Chris Bowen, stated that Gillard had been party to the agreement from the onset and was advised at every stage of the development of the policy.

      So @Acotrel, Gillard has lied yet again.

    • Arthur says:

      10:34am | 29/05/12

      “Australians don’t care about manufacturing jobs”.......They will Joan. When it’s all too late.

      “What`s good for the goose is good for the gander”................Twisted logic. Gillard’s doing it so should all do it? Wouldn’t it be smarter to pressure Gillard to stop doing it? We are all greedy and selfish; that’s being human….............. It’s up to the government to, well govern, and steer our behaviour in the nations interest.

      We are the goose.

    • acotrel says:

      11:48am | 29/05/12

      We haven’t heard much about asylum seekers from Scott Morrison lately. Craig Thomson must be a much better go ?

    • J says:

      12:25pm | 29/05/12

      @ acotrel 11:48am | 29/05/12.  Then you must have missed Scott Morrison on the Bolt Report on Sunday 27 May.

    • acotrel says:

      12:44pm | 29/05/12

      @J
      I’d go down to our local lake, and watch the eels at play, long before I’d watch the Bolt Report.
      What were you doing watching that anyway ?  You should have been at church ! Well, I suppose for you it’s much the same thing !

    • Arthur says:

      01:29pm | 29/05/12

      STOP this government.

      It’s well time the independents said enough.

      I’ve just read the government will fast track immigration to those with $5million dollars. This money will go straight in to raising prices of stuff Australians are already struggling to buy.

      More short term solutions at the expense of the future. If our kids knew what we’re doing to them, they’d never speak to us again.

    • E says:

      06:32am | 29/05/12

      Interesting that Gillard said she only heard about the import jobs deal the day before. The truth is she knew about it weeks ago and deliberately deceived the unions and media (and we the people!). 

      She is a pathological liar.

    • acotrel says:

      11:57am | 29/05/12

      Like Craig Thomson ?  Of all people LNP supporters should know what a pathological liar looks like !

    • Colin Bree says:

      04:25pm | 29/05/12

      Every acotrel post makes it worse for th ALP. I’m voting Abbott just to teach him a lesson!

    • Sherlock says:

      06:39am | 29/05/12

      We have thousands of asylum seekers arriving on boats without any documentation whatsoever who move into government provided housing and go straight on welfare and the left fiercely deride anyone who even mentions this may be a problem we need to do something about.

      Now we have people coming over to work jobs we can’t find Australians to fill and the left goes into apoplexy about it.

      Tim Blair hit the nail right on the head when he pointed out in his blog that it appears the only immigrants that the left doesn’t like is those that arrive with passports, visas and a wilingness to work.

      These are the people we have running the country. Scary isn’t it?

    • Another fictional action figure. says:

      08:58am | 29/05/12

      Yeh right, because asylum seekers wouldn’t come to Australia under a conservative government. Abbott would sink their boats and turn them around into the open arms of the Indonesian Navy.
      People like you are what’s really scary.

    • Gus says:

      09:23am | 29/05/12

      “These are the people we have running the country. Scary isn’t it?”

      Also the people allowing the foreign workers in, which negates your argument.

      Nice work Sherlock.

    • Plain Jane says:

      03:55pm | 29/05/12

      Well, there’s nothing new in overseas workers coming to Australia on short-term visas. It’s just a non-issue.

      As for the thousands of asylums seekers, instead of the humane solution we now have, we could just corrall ‘em all in the MCC. 

      Would that suit? ‘Cos at the current rate,  well,  it’ll take, what - wow! 16 years to fill the ‘G. 16 years. Hope they like pies.

      In the last couple of years, 5,000 or 6,000 asylum seekers each year . In a population of 23 million.  It’s hardly a flood.  http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/BoatArrivals

      They’ll fit in just fine,then. If we let ‘em. They’ll get jobs, spend money, create wealth and pay taxes.  My, my. Just like us.

      Time for a little bit of persective, seriously.

    • James Ricketson says:

      06:49am | 29/05/12

      Slightly off-topic but in the same category as tweeting as a way of having a dialogue with the Australian public is the virtual impossibility, when communicating with Gillard’s ministers, of getting an answer to any question that has not been written by a spin-doctor and has little to do with the question asked.

    • Gregg says:

      07:08am | 29/05/12

      Pembo, this might be another of those storms in a teacup and though the blowers of those strong winds can be anybody’s guess, perhaps Julia needs a broader understanding of existing Immigration regulations.

      Labour Agreements have been part of Employer Sponsorship for many many years and some of the detail is @ http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/la/

      There are ammendments to legislation for immigration issues occurring continually just as there is in many areas of government, latest due to be effective from 01July 2012 as can be seen from http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/la/eligibility-sponsor.htm

      Sure, the Labor agreements need to be negotiated and that is what has occurred for Gina’s Roy Hill it would seem and as for Australian workers having first go, that is already legislated as one of the employer eligibility conditions if in a defacto sense
      ” Employer requirements

      To be considered for a Labour Agreement, organisations need:

      an ongoing requirement to recruit overseas skilled workers for a number of years
      evidence of the efforts made to recruit from the local labour market
      a willingness to work with the government to improve the training and recruitment prospects of Australian workers
      a record of commitment to training Australian workers
      evidence that they are a lawfully operating business
      a good business record showing compliance with relevant laws and regulations
      evidence of previous compliance with immigration laws (if applicable)
      to be the direct employer of the recruited employee. “

      As in all cases of immigration which is governed by legislation, as the proof of how good Xmas pudding is, is in the eating, how well Employer requirements will be met is probably only to be ascertained by how well they are monitored.

      For instance, one wonders whether the first hurdle may in fact be the last listed requirement ” to be the direct employer of the recruited employee.”

      I would have thought that whatever the entity is that is developing Roy Hill, it is unlikely they would be the direct employer as on any resource development project, there are usually no end of different contractors involved.

      If the EMA is to be a twist in the tail of Labour Agreements already legislated for to allow for multiple contract employers to be covered by an agreement negotiated by a mother (Gina ) direct employer, I would expect that some further legislation would have been required and perhaps it has been put in place and if so, you would expect that Julia would have had some inkling of it going through parliament.
      It is quite possibly legislation related to what Wayne included in his budget speech.

      If all is in order re the legislation and what has been negotiated, it is really just the immigration process continuing and if Julia wants to put other hurdles in place, maybe she could be accused of just being stupid is it?
      What’s new!
      Oh those exclamation marks!

    • acotrel says:

      11:51am | 29/05/12

      You are just another Labor Party stooge !

    • acotrel says:

      11:54am | 29/05/12

      I’m getting confused.  Does the LNP want cheap labour or not ?

    • Suzanne says:

      07:20am | 29/05/12

      There is NO way that Gillard did not know about this weeks or months beforehand.

      If she didn’t then she has lost control and turning into a Rudd like manager.

      Either way a HUGE fail

    • Blake says:

      07:45am | 29/05/12

      You can’t trust this PM. Look how she treated Rudd and Wilkie. Now look how she treats Australians. Now look how she treats Labor voters. You can’t trust her and that is why Labor’s problems are irreversible.

    • E says:

      08:10am | 29/05/12

      Her own ministers acknowledged she knew all about the jobs import deal ages ago and said n o t h i n g (until it all went sour with the unions, then she hung Bowen and Ferguson out as dead carcasses blowing in the breeze).

      She is either a pathological liar, terminally incompetent, completely uninterested ... or all three.

    • Emmy says:

      07:24am | 29/05/12

      We have an unusual PM. She acts tough in Parliament at question time, she gets short with journalists who ask pesky questions, she says she is prepared to make the tough decisions yet when she is confronted and challenged by an organisation that has control of only 13% of the private work force she goes to water.

    • Sam says:

      09:00am | 29/05/12

      But what % of government tax receipts????

    • year of the dragon says:

      11:07am | 29/05/12

      Sam says:09:00am | 29/05/12

      “But what % of government tax receipts???? “

      Wrong question.

      The right question is, what percent of ALP donations?

    • acotrel says:

      12:03pm | 29/05/12

      @Sam
      I would like to know the answer to your question.  I wonder who is really paying the upkeep on this country?  I know I always paid tax at the highest marginal rate.

    • Craig says:

      07:27am | 29/05/12

      This article says more about David Penberthy’s outdated views and prejudices than about the government’s (very obvious) issues.

      Issuing a statement via Twitter is no different than issuing a sound grab via radio (and no longer) - except that it gets wider coverage.

      The Internet is an established mainstream media channel whether David and his declining number of last century broadcast media cronies like it & accept it or not.

      It was the main way in which people learnt and shared information in Darwin’s tornado last year (there’s a published report about it, though traditional media never covered it), during the QLD floods, the last switch of PM and in a range of other ‘news events’ as the media likes to call them (actually they are just ‘events’).

      David needs to get his personal insecurities back out of his articles and deal with the world that is, not the world he wants it live in - if only because it will stop him becoming out-of-touch and unemployable as the media continues to adapt to new technologies - including post-Internet technologies.

      Dissing the 2 million Australian, and more than 200 million global subscribers to Twitter, or the many others without accounts who still get news and information from the service via their friends and relatives and the media that re-reports Twitter, is simply a case of sour grapes on David’s part. He could do much better by recognizing that different people want different things. His beliefs are no more ‘right’ than those of people who choose to never turn on a TV and source much of their news from real-time streaming media.

      Otherwise he may rapidly find himself out of a job as media transformation continues.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:31am | 29/05/12

      “Issuing a statement via Twitter is no different than issuing a sound grab via radio (and no longer) - except that it gets wider coverage.”

      The difference is that Twitter doesn’t have any filter. To get on TV or radio you have to be the chosen spokesperson for something. Twitter can be used by anyone (and is) and seems to cause more trouble than anything else because people get themselves into trouble because of what they say.

      I don’t think Twitter is a useful tool and politicians and certain other types should steer clear of it. The way it is used now means that a leader is trying to herd cats with all these statements going out into the ether.

    • CrIg says:

      09:02am | 29/05/12

      Tubesteak,

      Is isn’t about an unauthorized person. It is about a Minister.

      In any case it doesn’t require an ‘authorisation’ for radio station or TV channel to carry you. The burden of authorisation is on the reporter and there are mechanisms in place through terms of employment and legal remedy to address unauthorized comments presented as official views, these cross medium.

      You say Twitter is ‘unfiltered’ - well the Minister had as much time to think about his statement before placing it on Twitter as he would have before making a statement at the same time to a newspaper, radio station or television channel.

      The difference is that on Twitter these are the aminister’s words - not the words of a reporter or an edited statement (edited by a news service).

      Part of the issue we face today is that media outlets reinterpret and misrepresent the words of people they interview. Twitter and other online media get around this by allowing organisations and individuals to present their views without media distortion.

      (so traditional media organisations attempt to discredit these direct channels to preserve their own channel control - no surprise there, although they require them as well)

      Whether Twitter is a useful tool is based on the user, not the company or channel. It has greater prospects of being useful than traditional media because it is not under e central control of a single person or group.

      Remember just because radio or TV allows someone to speak doesn’t mean they are ‘authorised’, that you are hearing all their words in context or that it represents a full and complete view. All it means is that e media outlet believes there’s a buck in it.

      Humans are still learning how to use new media formats, so there will be lots of stumbles on the way. However democratisation of media, where everyone can have a voice and use their own words without distortion or filtering, is a positive for the freedom of the media.

      It can also be a positive for traditional hierarchical media, if they let it.

    • Bob of Darwin says:

      09:51am | 29/05/12

      I don’t know about twitter, but I do know Darwin DID NOT have a Tornado last year!!! Probally shows the accuracy of your twit - a verse

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:21am | 29/05/12

      @Tubesteak

      Twitter can be good. The full FWA and Kathy Jackson story is well known to anyone who follows the #auspol hash tag. The “Indepentent Australia” news site has been covering this story for weeks (5 parts), and only now the MSM can’t avoid it any longer.

      If it weren’t for forums/platforms like Twitter, and we were completely reliant on the MSM for leads, the full story (in this and other cases) would never be known.

      See the full FWA story here:

      http://www.independentaustralia.net/

    • Tubesteak says:

      11:31am | 29/05/12

      Craig
      My point is that Twitter gives too many people a voice who should not have one. They just end up getting themselves into trouble. It’s a disaster waiting to happen rather than something that can help. The only people it “helps” are attnetion-whores whose lives thrive on attention (eg D-grade celebs who are famous for being famous such as Kardashian)

    • acotrel says:

      12:07pm | 29/05/12

      @Tubesteak
      You LNP supporters seem obsessed with whores.

    • Dr Ed says:

      07:32am | 29/05/12

      I don’t care how politicians communicate be it Tweets, Facebook etc as long as they do their job and do it well. Labor were in opposition for 11 years and after the Rudd/Gillard disaster we now will know why they will spend the next 20 years in opposition.

    • Onlooker says:

      07:45am | 29/05/12

      I think she fibbed again about not knowing about the job’s deal, gee she is the PM, if anyone should know its her or who is running the place? I don’t think its a good idea at all. I don’t think its a matter of who in Parliament likes or dislikes Gillard, it is how the Australian Public perceives her that counts..they vote

    • RANK FRANK says:

      07:47am | 29/05/12

      ‘If you are dealing with fools you will get a foolish outcome’
      Guess that sums up   Federal Labor , Gillard and the rest of them.

    • Tel says:

      07:49am | 29/05/12

      “when we railed against the use of islanders on the cane fields.”

      And quite rightly too - the islanders were brought in, if you look closely at that issue, as virtual slaves.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:59am | 29/05/12

      I cant believe I turn my computer on every morning just to read what crisis has gripped the Labor Party today. Its like a horrible TV show that you know you shouldn’t watch as it lowers your IQ but you cant keep away from.
        Every day we have some new crisis that makes one wonder who is bloody running this country as this almost Government hasn’t the time as it tries in vain to dig its way out of one crisis and into another.
        One only has to look at the record of this almost Government to see that it all stems from the election in the first place of Rudd as PM and then goes further downhill from there. We have a “loyal” deputy saying one day that she supports her leader and the next knifing him in the back for the good of the country.
        Then we have an election where the most grievous of sins towards the Australian public was made, a lie that will remain for ever as the one most singular things that turned Australia off this Government and the complicity of the self serving Independents allowing this liar to form an almost Government which has lurched from disaster to disaster from day one and people wonder why their popularity is down there as low as it has ever been.
        People say we should respect the PM but respect is not handed out automatically with the position of PM it has to be earned and this PM has failed miserably to do this time and time again.
        If this almost Government was a horse we would shoot it to put it out of its and our misery.

    • acotrel says:

      12:20pm | 29/05/12

      So you are having a good day, every day ?  Why are you still complaining ?  There will be an election at the end of 2013, then your lonely little vote will exert it’s big influence !  We might end up with a parliament with the cross benches full of independents.  What would Tones do with that ?  He’s not the greatest negotiator, youknow !
      Perhaps you’d better look for another victim to smear , if you want the election earlier.  Craig Thomson looks like a fizzer !

    • Mik says:

      08:30am | 29/05/12

      And “don’t mention the Internationals”  (treat as a protected species). Why? ‘cos Aussie miners can take the p#ss, Internationals take offence.

    • Mik says:

      08:30am | 29/05/12

      And “don’t mention the Internationals”  (treat as a protected species). Why? ‘cos Aussie miners can take the p#ss, Internationals take offence.

    • Arthur says:

      08:31am | 29/05/12

      “Labor MPs were yesterday scratching their heads trying to work out how a policy….........transformed into (another) flashpoint for the survival of the government and the prime minister.”.............................

      There’s the problem. Labor have no idea what they’re doing, they have no idea of what the electorate expect of them. Who’s advising this lot?

      “And apparently a whole lot of tweets come back and you accept that. That’s not leadership.” ....................No it’s not. It’s desperate. It’s what you’d do in your own life when you don’t have a clue what to do in a given situation. Ask others their opinion.

      Right across all parties, there is absolutely no politician that has a clue how to fix the mess of 30 years of socialism, consumerism, mass asset sales, decimation of productive industry.

      To fix the problem, first let’s see it for what it is, look at the problems that have already unfolded into disaster in other western countries. Grab hold of the problem and fix it before it drags us all down….....................................

      OR…...................................

      Pretend there is no problem until it’s far too late to recover….Like Greece, the UK, maybe the USA, absolutely Japan (who has just reached the point of having to borrow to repay debt). Avoiding a death spiral like Japan is in now will first take admitting that’s were we’re heading and then employing the people that have a clue. Unfortunately NONE of the grubs presently on the public teet are those people.

      In Australia we listen to the media and left wing socialites. The media have a vested interest in the status quo. The socialites don’t understand what the f&^#‘s going on but apparently we need to know their views, because, well, they’re famous. QandA is always stacked with socialites whose opinions we sit on the edge of seats to hear. What an aimless, dumb society we’ve become.

    • Brad Stevens says:

      09:24am | 29/05/12

      What do you expect from Labor? They can’t even run their own party smoothly and they want to run the country? Sack the lot of them, cancel their pensions and get a commission to investigate if these bozos have actually done the job they were paid to do and did they do a competent job. If an incompetent doctor of plumber can get sued why not an incompetent politician? Only losers vote for Labor!

    • Arthur says:

      10:59am | 29/05/12

      Sadly Brad Stevens. I don’t see anything different coming from the LNP.

      Australian politicians are driven by;

      1. their own careers and other vested interest.

      2. Those that fund their party (refer to point 1.)

    • acotrel says:

      12:12pm | 29/05/12

      So what is your point?  Do you want to deny the mining companies what they want from the negotiated agreement ?  ‘Negotiated’ - that’s a big word Tony Abbott doesn’t know about !

    • acotrel says:

      12:38pm | 29/05/12

      @Arthur
      ‘Australian politicians are driven by;

      1. their own careers and other vested interest.

      2. Those that fund their party (refer to point 1.) ‘


      The LNP supporters are only miffed because the ALP cut a deal with the source of finance for their party :
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx4ROoYbZNs

      There might be a danger in it, - Rupert Murdoch might change his allegience ?

    • Arthur says:

      12:59pm | 29/05/12

      “Do you want to deny the mining companies what they want from the negotiated agreement ?”

      YES…..Renege on the deal. There’s not a lot in it for Australia when the mine’s foreign owned (not certain about Reinhart’s but 85% is), and the cash from wages also goes overseas.

      acotrel, you can’t possibly continue to defend these idiots, have you no dignity?

    • jg says:

      08:34am | 29/05/12

      Just when you think that they surely couldn’t shoot themselves in the foot again, they do.

      Unbelievable.

      What a rabble.

      Gillard once again proves that she is either a liar or incompetent.

      Make up your mind as to which, it really doesn’t matter.

      ALP members must be pulling theri hair out.

    • Arthur says:

      09:02am | 29/05/12

      Why are we all blowing up now. The 457 visas were mentioned recently (in the budget I think????) . Did we just think they were joking?

      Same thing over and over and over again. We never care until it’s too late.

      Same goes for our asset sales, population growth, debt, manufacturing, environment destruction….......all will end in tears, and we’ll all jump on board when it’s all too late.

    • Aard says:

      09:04am | 29/05/12

      Much ado about nothing.
      But what do you expect from the right?
      With nothing of substance to debate, they need to create something out of nothing

    • Hamish says:

      09:33am | 29/05/12

      Aard, Gillard created the debate by pretending she didn’t know about the deal…it’s yet another example of Gillard creating a problem for herself for no apparent reason, except her seeming inability to just level with the public.

    • AdamC says:

      10:12am | 29/05/12

      Hamish, spot on. Personally, I just find it remarkable that Tony Abbott or ‘the right’, in this case, are able to compel Julia Gillard and her colleagues to do and say things totally against their will. It is like the right has super powers!

    • Aard says:

      10:34am | 29/05/12

      It’s still much ado about nothing.

      But keep up the nonsense, it suits the right.

    • Hamish says:

      12:01pm | 29/05/12

      Aard, don’t worry you’ll have plenty of your own nonsense to talk about in opposition.

    • Aard says:

      12:15pm | 29/05/12

      Well done Hamish
      I know admitting that you and your mates on the right wing fringe speak nonsense was difficult. It is the first step to returning to the centre and rational debate.

    • Hamish says:

      12:31pm | 29/05/12

      Look Aard, it’s not my fault Gillard created this issue. If she’d just told the truth there’d be no controversy here…except maybe in caucus.

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      12:48pm | 29/05/12

      I love these constructive comments by lefties. 3 Separate comments and you’ve still managed to not actually say anything Aard, good show. Nothing but desperation, excuse making and pointless diversion in response to our worst PM in history making further cock ups. You got nothin’ goin’ on.

    • Aard says:

      12:56pm | 29/05/12

      And therein lies the problem hamish

      There is no issue, it’s a nothing.
      Like the darkness Abbott drags along behind him.

    • Hamish says:

      04:42pm | 29/05/12

      Aard, so you’re saying a prime minister blatantly lying to the people isn’t an issue? And ALP stooges wonder why their party is so in the nose. Dude, if you care about the party, do them a favour and stop excusing the inexcusable.

    • One with Nothingness says:

      04:44pm | 29/05/12

      Right you are Aard, Gillard is one big nothing. One big, unmarried, child-less, liar of a nothing. Well done Aard you need to write a PhD on Gillard’s nothingness, it will be an interesting read. Too cool for school?

    • Holly says:

      09:08am | 29/05/12

      Government and reporting by tweet ( thought bubble) that is what it has come to.  Note to self - must set up my twitter account to know how the country is run and informed these days. 

      Tony Blair has just said on radio that he felt he had to cosy up to Rupert or pay the consequences politically.  Says it all really.

    • jase says:

      12:08pm | 29/05/12

      Arthur, lets just clarify that the Chinese workers are not working on “half pay” they are working for well above award wages that their Australian equivalents are not prepared to work for in the current market.

      Globalisation is is not eating Australia alive, it is just normalising the ridiculously high wages being created in mining to a normal level. $150k for a trade/labour role is simply unsustainable, that is the reality of the situation. If it was encouraging a new level of under award wages, then I could understand the issues that the public have, but as it stands all awards and agreements still apply.

      This new immigration policy will not affect Australian jobs at all if those individuals are prepared to work for more reasonable wages. Most if not all professionals already compete in a global market, why should trades and the likes be any different?

      The two big positives overlooked by the majority are the massive increase in productivity that this will generate and the positive effect it will have on our economy.

    • acotrel says:

      12:27pm | 29/05/12

      ‘@jase
      ‘$150k for a trade/labour role is simply unsustainable, that is the reality of the situation.’

      How much does GIna’s fortune increase by the hour ? And that’s after her workers’ salaries have been paid !

    • jase says:

      12:55pm | 29/05/12

      Arthur, her wealth is completely independent of what her employee’s are worth and should be paid. Every single current employee can go and start their own mining venture, take risks with their own money, in any business for that matter and roll in the wealth it generates if they succeed.

      How many are actually prepared to take the risk? Very few.

      These huge salaries are because of a skewed and tightly controlled domestic labour market that needs to be liberated, for the benefit of the country. The only people who stand to lose are the miners who have had it very good for a long time, like all markets the labour market is no different, bubbles must burst.

    • Arthur says:

      01:13pm | 29/05/12

      “massive increase in productivity that this will generate and the positive effect it will have on our economy”

      productivity? Not for Australia. Mining’s 85% foreign owned and I don’t see Gina sharing her wealth around.

      Unfortunately Australia is an expensive place to live because of the unbelievably stupid policies of globalisation over the past 30 years.

      There’s NOTHING in it for Australia. We’re trying to compete with countries whose wages are a fraction of ours. How is this sustainable?

      Clearly it’s not. The lifestyle of the average Australian has been declining and will now start accelerating thanks to what Keating started, the LNP continued, and Gillard continues.

      We can all pretend it’s all cool right up until we’re scratching around for food. 50 million people, depleted resources (farms) and no assets?

      Sure, no problems. We’re in more per capita debt than Greece when you add personal debt.

      Those that refuse to learn from others mistakes are worse than dumb. That’s Australia.

    • jase says:

      01:28pm | 29/05/12

      ^^ Above comment if approved was for you acotrel

    • Arthur says:

      01:35pm | 29/05/12

      @Jase.

      $150k is well and truly sustainable. It hasn’t stopped the mines making fortunes.

      See the downside to the mine is the high wages. The massive gift is the stuff they pull out of the ground for free and sell for lots of money.

    • year of the dragon says:

      01:48pm | 29/05/12

      acotrel says:12:27pm | 29/05/12

      ‘@jase
      ‘$150k for a trade/labour role is simply unsustainable, that is the reality of the situation.’

      “How much does GIna’s fortune increase by the hour ? And that’s after her workers’ salaries have been paid !”

      That is predominantly the returnon the capital she has at risk.

    • Arthur says:

      02:52pm | 29/05/12

      I’m with you Jase, entrepreneurs must be rewarded…...BUT…....The massive gift Australia continues to give the likes of Reinhart is ridiculous.

      They are Australia’s resources, her dad found them, that should make her a very wealthy woman…...Not richer than many countries. No Australian can afford to work for less than 150k because the cost of living is so high. FIFO foreigners can work for far less. Where does it all end when we can’t even compete on wages in our own country?

      I said it yesterday on the punch….........Suppose we’re playing a game of monopoly with the rest of the world.  How do we look? Just about wiped out.

    • year of the dragon says:

      04:37pm | 29/05/12

      Arthur says:02:52pm | 29/05/12

      “They are Australia’s resources”

      Are you saying that we should nationalise mining in Australia?

      “No Australian can afford to work for less than 150k because the cost of living is so high”

      The cost of living in Australia is too high but I think $150k it taking the piss a bit. Also, that’s hardly Gina Reinhardt’s fault.

      “Suppose we’re playing a game of monopoly with the rest of the world. How do we look? Just about wiped out.”

      Wiped out? How so? We are still, despite the best efforts of the government, a very wealthy country.

    • year of the dragon says:

      05:00pm | 29/05/12

      Arthur says:01:35pm | 29/05/12

      “The massive gift is the stuff they pull out of the ground for free and sell for lots of money. “

      Therein lies the problem. The gross ignorance and envy of your average Labor apologist.

      Not only must they pay royalties for the stuff, the capital required to just look for the stuff is enormous.

      However, even that pales into comparison with the massive amounts of capital required to establish a mine. Capital that must be invested before even one ounce of ore is extracted.

      The risk is significant. Not only do they then have to manage the labor issues but also currency, commodity prices, operational issues and now, legislative risk.

      However, if it so easy, so cheap, why don’t you go ahead and do it?

      It’s a massive country. There’s plenty of ore out there. Get yourself some of that free commodity and make yourself an acceptable amount of wealth. No doubt you would donate anything over and above that amount to less fortunate people than you.

    • End ALP Corruption Now says:

      09:14am | 29/05/12

      I don’t think we need to put up with Gillard and her incompetents. If the Independents are not going to pull the plug on these guys they should be held accountable for their actions. There is a limit for everything, the Independents have to do what is right for the people who voted for them and also this country. Gillard needs to go now.

    • Emmy says:

      09:27am | 29/05/12

      When Penberthy writes political articles he should acknowledge up front in every article that his life partner is a minister in the Gillard Govt. Just like Sky News has to acknowledge their association with Murdoch when commenting on media enquiries

    • Fight for Rights says:

      10:02am | 29/05/12

      I don’t think who his life partner is an issue. When comments already posted get deleted because some government hack has threatened the free press, especially in an article David wrote a few weeks ago….now that is not acceptable. David needs to stand up for reader comments and not get bullied by outsiders. If Gillard sold out or whored out her voters to the Greens that is a statement that should be fine to be published for debate. By removing it David has let down the values of a free press.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:09am | 29/05/12

      I would have liked more attention paid to the fact that the “heroic” Kathy Jacksons “life partner” is the 2IC at FWA and one of Abbott’s friends and appointees to the original AIRC. The organisation that has taken over three years to investigate 2/3 of sweet FA.

    • KimL says:

      12:04pm | 29/05/12

      Bind Freddy I was stunned to see of Kath Jackson’s partners involvement, there is more to Kathy Jackson than meets they eye. Something is wrong with whole sorry saga. he plot is sure thickening here and even if Thompson is guilty, he sure has been stitched up to look worse than he is. The man has not been charged yet but has gone through more kangaroo courts than even the nazi’s had to face. The politically bias shock jock Paul Murray on Foxtel drones on every day about Thompson… Lets see if he reports this

    • AdamC says:

      09:28am | 29/05/12

      What is so mystifying about this affair is that it could have been a plus for the government. This EMA policy is sound, pragmatic, in the national interest and shows that the government doesn’t fully buy into its own toxic rhetoric about ‘foreign-owned resources companies’ and ‘mining billionaires’. Also, the policy itself was also approved last year, so the inking of a specific project deal can hardly be a massive surprise.

      Clealy, the more prehistoric, union-linked Laborites, such as the serial pest Doug Cameron, are trying to use this little flare-up to revise a Cabinet decision that their union overlords do not like. Others seem to simply be stirring the pot. (One cannot help but note the immigration minister was one of Kevin redux’s major backers.)

      As usual, the loser in all of this is the nation, closely followed by the Labor Party.

    • Michael says:

      09:45am | 29/05/12

      Julia Gillard said it herself: “That’s not leadership.”

      Indeed.

    • Jay says:

      09:50am | 29/05/12

      Gillard implied in lying, manipulations????
      Wow, who ever would have thought…

    • Where are you Kevin? says:

      10:04am | 29/05/12

      Yes but what does this mean for Kevin Rudd?

    • Where are you Malcolm? says:

      10:37am | 29/05/12

      Better still, what does this mean for Malcolm Turnbull?
      Abbott at his lowest rating since assuming chief shite spitter of the NO position party?

    • Luke says:

      11:05am | 29/05/12

      Abbott wasn’t running around handing out hot cash to voters last week.

    • james says:

      11:09am | 29/05/12

      This issue highlights why he was a control freak

    • Holly says:

      10:42am | 29/05/12

      To Adam C - well why is it still not a plus?  I am not interested about who said what to whom and when - only in the final outcomes for this country.  So far Labor government policies have high approval rates in polls conducted.  Even when voters are questioned on the carbon tax and a longer version of the question is asked, including information about who pays the tax and who gets compensation, a majority approve it.

      I would like to see polling which offered an option between the carbon tax (paid for by polluting companies) and a direct action plan paid for by directly by taxpayers and then let us see how people line up.

      Improvement in the polls means that Australians are finally taking more notice of what is actually happening and what is at stake if this government is voted out.

    • Plain Jane says:

      11:22am | 29/05/12

      Indeed so, Holly.  And The Punch has got this bit right…

      “Labor MPs were yesterday scratching their heads trying to work out how a policy which the government had actually signed off on a long time ago had transformed into (another) flashpoint for the survival of the government and the prime minister.

      The use of the so-called Enterprise Migration Agreements to let foreign
      workers fill gaps in industries suffering labour shortages was approved
      last year and referred to in Treasurer Wayne Swan’s Budget speech. “

      I copped a lame-oh flogging for saying that here yesterday, & pointing out even the recent ACTU congress had already noted the Roy Hill proposal pretty accurately.

      So why didn’t the PM & Ministers just say so? Policy agreed, proposal announced, proposal implemented.

      But then, perhaps they did and it didn’t survive the sound bite battle.

      Or they have a collective death wish, from Sen Cameron on down.

      Despite a fair few stumbles over the odd bucket - some of their own and others artfully contrived by Abbott and co -  the basic business of government, from policy to programs in place, is going on effectively. As is our economy.

    • AdamC says:

      11:27am | 29/05/12

      Holly, it is not ‘still a plus’, because a few Labor morons, all with differing, toxic interests, have put a settled policy into play. That is not in the national interest. Indeed, this government cannot seem to distinguish the interests of the nation from their own petty objectives, rivalries and grudges. Or, if they can tell the difference, they have simply stopped caring about it.

      And, you can take whatever solace you like from this latest Newspoll, but even you know Australia will not vote for a tacky rabble like this government, no matter how effective they are in smearing the opposition leader. (And, seriously, that is all they seem to be able to do effectively!)

    • Anne says:

      11:37am | 29/05/12

      The issue for the electorate is her constant lying, not the policy.
      Even Abbott supports the policy.

    • Hamish says:

      11:56am | 29/05/12

      Oh Holly, don’t you realise it’s the head in the sand attitude of ALP types like you that have turned Labor into such a dysfunctional pantomime of an unelectable rabble? There’s nothing wrong with the policy, but Gillard lying to the public because she’s too scared to stare down a few union dinosaurs is a terrible look. She’s not thinking about the nation, she’s thinking about her own skin.

    • Plain Jane says:

      03:29pm | 29/05/12

      Let’s be serious for a moment.

      Endless repetition of this “pathological liar” jibe on Gillard is just a lazy partisan smear.  If those who repeat the claim had any genuine basis for it, they’d be applying the exact same standard to the policies and comments of the most senior Liberals.

      Here’s a good starting point: government debt. Abbott,  Hockey, Robb and others have made an absolute meal of this. All utterly misleading, and deliberately so.

      But uncritically peddled here again and again by Punch posters who can’t be bothered taking the time to hold the party of their choice to the same standards they seek to smear the Government with.

      Colebatch in The Age has a fair smack at this one, with good reason:  http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/coalition-needs-to-yield-on-its-brokenrecord-debt-warnings-20120528-1zf70.html
      And he is far from the only one to pick up on this sort of Liberal nonsense.

      Basically, senior Liberal frontbenchers have been repeatedly loose with the   truth,  on debt, the economy, and any number of other major issues, programs and policies.  But you won’t find the Libs held to account here by the good folk who claim to be their supporters. 

      So come on then.  Let’s hear it from you. Same standards all round, eh. Only fair, surely. After all, you good folk who support the Liberals have some 15 months left before the next election to show a bit of spine & hold your side to the same standard.

      So c’mon. It won’t be hard. There’s bags of material for you to work on.

    • iansand says:

      10:50am | 29/05/12

      Gillard’s problem is that she has a puppy-like desire to please.  She tries to be all things to all people, depending on whom she thinks are her immediate audience without thought to a bigger picture.

      All she had to do was say that these visas are issued only after a proper process to ensure that no Australian is available do them, and telling the unions that their members are more than welcome to have the jobs if they get off their arses and cross the Nullarbor.  End of story.

    • year of the dragon says:

      11:13am | 29/05/12

      Pathelogical liar - puppy-like. Tomato, tomato.

      Agree with the second bit though.

    • Ian says:

      11:16am | 29/05/12

      But she chose to lie AGAIN. And then hang her Ministers out to dry AGAIN.
      She has this obsession with trying to be tricky and sneaky. She should realise by now she’s not as clever as she thinks and the electorate have worked her out.
      A hint for Gillard - Be truthful (at least most of the time) not sneaky and tricky all of the time if you want to be trusted.

    • Values R' Us says:

      11:32am | 29/05/12

      Too late for Gillard to change. People know what she is all about and she will pay a big price at the next election. Remember folks: Teach your children good values. It might be too late for Gillard but not your children.

    • Anna C says:

      11:02am | 29/05/12

      As the old saying goes, you can’t walk down both sides of the street. Listen and learn Julia.

    • Terry2 says:

      11:07am | 29/05/12

      As Penbo notes,the EMA was settled a long time ago and is not a big deal in the scheme of things. But I noticed that when Julia Gillard was announcing the Carbon pricing compensation to a group of seniors on Sunday, the only questions from the attendant media were about whether she knew about the EMA announcement. I thought at the time, somebody is trying to obscure what she has just been announcing and I would really like to hear from any of those journalists why they took that tack.
      I noted recently, when the government announced the ‘school kids’ bonus’  that the ABC’s AM program went to a sex shopowner in Melbourne to ask if she expected a boost in the sale of sex aids from this bonus (naturally she said yes); why, if not to trivialise the announcement, would the ABC do this.
      We now find that a Snr VP of Fairwork Australia is the partner of Kathy Jackson, the most vocal opponent of Craig Thomson, and provided the police and FWA with much of their evidence on Craig Thomson.
      So many conspiracies and so little time and then there is the happenings at Roswel still to be sorted…...............

    • Garry says:

      11:25am | 29/05/12

      Because she lies.  Voters don’t like PM’s who lie. That’s her whole problem and has been since day one. If she hadn’t lied about when she knew then the questioning would have been different.

    • Dan-O says:

      11:09am | 29/05/12

      Simple issues become a major drama with this PM. The ALP will always be an incompetent and corrupt institution because they only attract the useless bugs of society.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:58am | 29/05/12

      These “Guest Worker” visas have been available for a considerable length of time so why, all of a sudden, are Union leaders, Green & ALP MPs & Senators getting their knockers in a knot over a perfectly legal proposal to bring in 1700 to fill a void which has been created by both Coalition & ALP Federal Governments?
      One Minister proudly stated that the government was going to create 200 Apprenticeships. How long does an Apprenticeship take? 3, 4 or 5 years?
      A fat lot of good that will be when those Fully Trained people are needed now or within the next 12 months.
      For Paul Howes or anyone on the left of politicis to say that “We are supposed to be attacking the Ginas, the Clives the Twiggys” is patently ridiculous. It is them & people in other areas who are actually creating jobs. Ok they are rich. So bloody what? Federal MPs etc &, if reports about the absurd salaries being handed out to Union secretaries (does $270,000 for one ring a bell?)are true, are not exactly poor are they.?
      Paul Howes & his mates, our State & Federal MPs do not create jobs - other than those for themselves & their sycphantic leeches - anywhere near the number Gina etc. are creating.
      Maybe our MPs etc. & union bosses should actually go out and do some real work. Many ALP MPs & Senators, Union bosses were all once workers, may will already have the sills required to work in those mines etc. so instead of bagging the Miners they should be applying for jobs with them. Julia would be qualified to work behind the counter of some canteen wouldn’t she? She could team up with that other bottled red-head Pauline but make sure the red-heade peter Costello was on the cash register to ensure the money was safe!

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:58am | 29/05/12

      These “Guest Worker” visas have been available for a considerable length of time so why, all of a sudden, are Union leaders, Green & ALP MPs & Senators getting their knockers in a knot over a perfectly legal proposal to bring in 1700 to fill a void which has been created by both Coalition & ALP Federal Governments?
      One Minister proudly stated that the government was going to create 200 Apprenticeships. How long does an Apprenticeship take? 3, 4 or 5 years?
      A fat lot of good that will be when those Fully Trained people are needed now or within the next 12 months.
      For Paul Howes or anyone on the left of politicis to say that “We are supposed to be attacking the Ginas, the Clives the Twiggys” is patently ridiculous. It is them & people in other areas who are actually creating jobs. Ok they are rich. So bloody what? Federal MPs etc &, if reports about the absurd salaries being handed out to Union secretaries (does $270,000 for one ring a bell?)are true, are not exactly poor are they.?
      Paul Howes & his mates, our State & Federal MPs do not create jobs - other than those for themselves & their sycphantic leeches - anywhere near the number Gina etc. are creating.
      Maybe our MPs etc. & union bosses should actually go out and do some real work. Many ALP MPs & Senators, Union bosses were all once workers, may will already have the sills required to work in those mines etc. so instead of bagging the Miners they should be applying for jobs with them. Julia would be qualified to work behind the counter of some canteen wouldn’t she? She could team up with that other bottled red-head Pauline but make sure the red-heade peter Costello was on the cash register to ensure the money was safe!

    • Mal Way says:

      12:07pm | 29/05/12

      Has she and her government officially lost its way?

    • Slogan says:

      12:28pm | 29/05/12

      No, they are “moving forward” for “working families” with a “surplus” against the “negativity of TonyAbbott Abbott Abbott AbbottAbbottAbbott”
      even though he wants to ruin everything with his “wrecking ball” saying “NONONONONONO” even though we have the “best performing economy in the world” “in the world” thanks to the “real Julia” cause “that’s us”.  Abbott AbbottAbbottAbbott.“negativity”...............................

    • Carl Palmer says:

      12:14pm | 29/05/12

      The 5 page ACTU Congress 2012 Factsheet clearly reflects a dislocation between the ACTU and the Govt, with statements in the factsheet like –
      “The push to expand 457 visas……..is highly dangerous”. “This push must be strongly resisted.” And “The government has seriously dropped the ball in this area.”
      Penbo, in relation to the Roy Hill project the paragraph below follows your quotations from the factsheet -

      “The number of overseas workers being requested is more than the total number of 457 visa holders in skilled and semi-skilled occupations currently employed in the entire WA construction industry as at November 2011.”

      I’m no union supporter, but it seems they were not happy for it to be expanded and one shouldn’t be surprised that they would take such a position. What one can deduce is we have a Govt that hasn’t got its act together nor is it capable of negotiating with the unions even though there has been a view expressed that Julie Gillard is a high powered negotiator. I have no doubt that Julia Gillard was across the detail. This is just another example of a shamble, rudderless and constantly lying Govt who are now blaming each other….

    • Rosie says:

      12:48pm | 29/05/12

      It should have been a good week for the Govt because Bowen had it right but yet again Gillard had to botch it up. Gillard should have been dancing the light fantastic what with the preferred PM over Tony Abbott and Miriam Margolyes, the English lesbian comedian giving her the full praises on Q&A last night. While praising Gillard she didn’t hold back in demeaning Tony Abbott. Cream on the cake for Gillard!

      Gillard through Bowen’s good thinking could have squashed the class warfare stupidity that was instigated by Wayne Swan and followed up by other Labor MPs. Gillard could’ve have easily shown leadership, told the Unions to get stuff and tell the people of Australia she was doing it for the nation’s benefit - productivity and jobs for Aussies first before migrant workers.

      I am not sure now, who relies on who, the Unions rely on the Labor Party or vice versa.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:07pm | 29/05/12

      John Howard is responsible for this mess. After all if there was the compulsory training levy that he abolished, then maybe Australian business would actually train Australian workers instead of relying upon the Australian government to import workers on the 457 visa. This is large scale immigration by stealth since the holders covert the 457 visa to Australia permanent residency.

    • year of the dragon says:

      02:44pm | 29/05/12

      Yep, John Howard made Gillard lie to the unions, lie to the media and lie to parliament.

    • Holly says:

      02:30pm | 29/05/12

      You are confirming my point that there is an agenda being followed by the Murdoch press.  What Blair has revealed in the Leveson inquiry should make us all wonder just what is happening here.  We all know that Prime Minister Gillard wont play his games.  This then must be the price we all pay.

    • Tip of iceberg says:

      03:33pm | 29/05/12

      Blair said in his witness statement to the inquiry
      “certain newspapers are used by their owners or editors as instruments of political power ... in which the boundary between news and comment is deliberately blurred”.

      He told Robert Jay QC, counsel to the inquiry: “The Sun and the Mail frankly are the two most powerful of the papers, and the Sun in particular because it is prepared to shift, it makes it all the more important.”

      Blair said as a political leader the problem was, with certain parts of the media, that it “becomes not merely politically partisan in their comment or editorial line but in their news coverage”.

      “I say to you, emphatically, this is not confined to the Murdoch media. I’m not saying the Murdoch newspapers, the tabloid ones, did not have that characteristic – they do – but they’re not the only ones by any means at all,” he added.”

    • RealAustralian says:

      02:45pm | 29/05/12

      wow you expert know it all’s - How do you know Gilard lied were you with her when she was told ? So many of you full of crap

    • Colin Bree says:

      04:28pm | 29/05/12

      ‘...........there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead….......’ all to do with upbringing mate.

    • Hamish says:

      04:44pm | 29/05/12

      You can either accept she lied or debate the fact with the fairies at the bottom of your garden…

    • year of the dragon says:

      04:53pm | 29/05/12

      Because (i) Chris Bowen told Parliament that she was told and she, finally, agreed; (ii) the ABC reported that the Gillard Government was planning to announce a plan to enable companies to “bring in temporary foreign workers en masse to major projects in April 2011; (iii) the Government announced EMAs in May 2011; (iv) a Senate Committee was told of 13 projects already approved for the EMA by state governments and likely to be qualify; (v) The Australian reported that Rinehart’s company was the first to apply for the EMA; (vi) news.com.au reported that the Roy Hill project had applied for the EMA; (vii) the Australian Mining Magazine reported that the deal was being negotiated in March this year, (viii) The ABC reported that the deal was being negotiated in March this year.

      Oh, and she’s the PM. She’s either a liar or grossly incompetent.

      My money is on both.

    • Sorenson says:

      05:09pm | 29/05/12

      Windsor and Oakshott should be bloody ashamed of what they have done to this country.

    • Ted from Hervey Bay says:

      06:20pm | 29/05/12

      I know, go figure

      Australia with the best performing economy in the world; guiding us through the worst recession since the great depression; reducing CO2 emissions, Installing future-proof broadband for ALL Australians; lowest employment in decades; lowest interest rates in decades; spreading the benefits of the mining boom to ALL Australians.
      Accomplishing all this with a minority government supported by independents and greens.

      Oh wait, perhaps we should be thanking Oakeshott and Windsor.
      The difference between the Gillard government and the empty rhetoric of a Dr NO opposition is breathtaking.
      Windsor and Oakeshott for the National Living Treasure award.

      You know it makes more sense that Clive Palmer.

    • Against the Man says:

      07:41pm | 29/05/12

      If the ALP/Independents are giving us so much why are they getting crushed in the polls every time? I don’t know Ted….maybe Australia isn’t buying your crap. Learn from TChong - get paid by the ALP to spin, at least you get some money for posting this crap smile

    • Garry says:

      07:51pm | 29/05/12

      Hmm, Ted from Hervey Bay : “Australia with the best performing economy in the world”.... They had a great start with a $ 21 billion surplus, and our banks were not vulnerable like O/S ........ “reducing CO2 emissions”..... This is irrelevant as are their revenue raising climate change lies…...“Installing future-proof broadband”...... Wrong, the NBN has no end cost and will be a white elephant, and most of the major countries are going wireless for the future…....“lowest employment in decades”..... Depends if you count 2 hrs a week as employed…... “lowest interest rates in decades”...... Shows economy needs stimulating…..“spreading the benefits of the mining boom to ALL Australians”...... Killing new investment, lower returns to Australian and O/S shareholders, and risking killing the only thing keeping us from another self made recession….... “Accomplishing all this with a minority government supported by independents and greens”..... Wrong again, you could put all these in the Labor basket anyway. Oh yeah I forgot about the massive debt they have racked up, the enormous waste of money and loss of live from the idiotic ideas of Pink Batts, BER scam, destruction of border protection, wasted hand outs, carbon tax lies etc etc etc. Yes Oakeshott and Windsor masquerading as independents should be national heroes, because they wanted stability in government, PFFF !

    • Ted from Hervey Bay says:

      10:31am | 30/05/12

      I get it garry, you don’t get it.
      That’s OK, we can’t all be intelligent. There is still room on the planet for followers like you that have difficulty with what to most are simple concepts.

    • Willy from Nowra says:

      12:52pm | 30/05/12

      Ted, you don’t get the Queensland State election? That is ok, the majority feel sorry for you, enjoy your time out with acotrel.

    • pig iron bob says:

      07:28pm | 29/05/12

      Ted ,you must be a labor party stooge

    • pig iron bob says:

      07:29pm | 29/05/12

      Ted ,you must be a labor party stooge

 

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