So there I was last week listening to the radio and on came Rob Oakeshott with the most intriguing news.

Port Macquarie - the home of truth and beauty.

According to the Port Macquarie-based Independent: “I come from an area of Australia where people look at each other in the eye and tell the truth.”

I’ve got to see this place! I thought to myself. So I booked a ticket in search of this magical land that was apparently so unlike the rest of Australia.

Things started well. When I landed on the Mid-North Coast of NSW the sun was shining.

Tony at the Thrifty car rental desk told me he’d given me a free upgrade and parked the vehicle right outside the airport door, facing in the direction of town. It was true.

Being a flawed member of the population of the rest of Australia, I had some trouble working out how to open the boot.

Along came a chap in an Avis uniform who looked me right in the eye and said I looked like I needed help. (He couldn’t work it out either, but at least he tried).

First stop was the Milkbar Townbeach, where the staff members ask you how your day is going as if they actually care.

When the guy next to me dropped $2 and it rolled under the counter one of the waitresses dived to retrieve it for him instead of doing what waitresses in lesser places do and leave it until he’s left the shop.

Just half an hour on the ground in Port Macquarie and it was starting to look as if Oakeshott was on to something.

I needed to get the bottom of it, so I started asking people if there was something different about their home town.

It turns out it has one big flaw. Life is so good in Port Macquarie there’s no where good enough to go for a holiday!

And there’s love. Lots of love.

Seriously, there are happy couples all over the beaches.

The day I was there young couples literally frolicked around every rocky outcrop of the town beaches.

So is it the home of eye-looking and truth-telling? Why did people keep laughing when I asked them this question?

After a lovely walk along the coastline to Flagstaff Hill I got chatting to Colin Mellors, who was sitting outside the Marine Rescue Kiosk doing the crossword.

Approximately 100 Port Macquarians give up their time to man the entirely volunteer service, which has the task of saving people who have got themselves in trouble off the coast.

Colin, who’s retired, moved to Port Macquarie two years ago, which makes him well qualified to discuss the town’s unique attributes.

“If you want my honest answer,” he said, somewhat redundantly, “I don’t think it’s different to anywhere else in Australia.”

What!

“You have honest people, and you have dishonest people.”

What was Colin trying to tell me?

Either Colin wasn’t telling the truth about telling the truth, which would mean not everyone in Port Macquarie tells the truth. Or he was telling the truth, and not everyone in Port Macquarie tells the truth.

It was time to seek clarification from Oakeshott so I popped by his office, where it turned out he was in Canberra.

Confused I decided to consult Twitter, where by co-incidence at that very moment there was a stream from the Media 140 conference, where Oakeshott just happened to be making a speech (because there’s nothing more down home and in-touch than addressing a room full of Tweeting journalists in Canberra).

According to the Tweet stream Oakeshott said the only media outlet who’d asked to spend time with him on the ground in his electorate since he decided to help Julia Gillard form Government was Al Jazeera.

“Every other media outlet is commenting from either Sydney or Canberra about pitchforks in the electorate of Lyne and how the mood on the ground is terrible,” he said.

Fair cop?

Well given just 13.49 per cent of the voters in Lyne gave the ALP their first preference, and Oakeshott had to cancel a town meeting organised to explain himself after threats were made to the local paper, the pitchfork theory may not be so far fetched.

But it probably would be better if someone actually asked the good people of Lyne.

Maybe when Oakeshott does walk the streets (he didn’t say whether or not he’d granted Al Jazeera’s request) people aren’t giving him that hard a time – they are a pretty friendly bunch.

But I had trouble finding anyone who thought Oakeshott hadn’t done himself a huge amount of damage.

Comments included things such as:

“There’s a lot of people who feel deceived.”

“I didn’t vote for Rob Oakeshott for him to give his vote to Julia Gillard.”

“The election will be much closer next time.”

“The guy from the Nationals is very astute.”

“Nobody wanted him to go that way (to back Gillard) – it was not the vibe in the town”

“He’ll have to work very hard over the next few years looking after his electorate.”

And:

“It’s generally left people wondering who he is, what does he stand for and where is he going.”

So no actual pitchforks, but as Colin pointed out: “He was a very liked person here but only his most ardent supporters still back him now.”

In fact no-one I spoke to thought Oakeshott had done the right thing in backing Gillard.

My Port Macquarie reverie was starting to wane when I flicked on the car radio and heard Julia Gillard getting herself a bit tied up with the word “word” after Tony Abbott announced the Opposition would not agree to “pair” the Speaker.

“The Government entered into discussions with the Opposition and with Mr Rob Oakeshott, representing the independents, in good faith. We gave our word. Our intention has always been to honour our word,” said Gillard.

“I would have thought it was a reasonable expectation that the Leader of the Opposition would also honour his word. He has now said to me, and effectively to the Australian people, that his word is worth absolutely nothing.”

Hoping to salvage something of the idea I was in a place where people’s “word” meant something I stumbled across a swarm of little girls in pig-tails and performance make-up – surely here I would find honesty.

And in a way I did.

Chatting to Robert I put to him Oakeshott’s theory.

“When Rob Oakeshott said people here look you in the eye and tell you the truth he was bullshitting.”

That was it. I’d heard enough.

A bit forlorn I wandered down to the dock and was consoled by the sight of two dolphins – not something you usually get to see just steps from a town’s CBD.

Yes, Port Macquarie is a beautiful place. But it turns out its people are just like the rest of us.

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    • bobw says:

      06:54am | 27/09/10

      This is really flimsy stuff.  Is anyone at the Punch actually capable of referring to Oakeshott without adopting a sneering tone, or indulging in ad hominem mockery?  I know that the election ruined the binary narrative that you’re accustomed to, but surely you can do better than this.  Oakeshott is presently a fairly significant political figure, and even if you’ve largely been able to ignore him in the past, it’s hard to justify dealing with him superficially now.  Why not analyse something important that he’s said, rather than latching onto an obvious example of the kind of meaningless, off-the-cuff blather that forms the everyday stock-in-trade of any professional politician?  It’s silly to simply dismiss Oakeshott as a cartoonish, one-dimensional yokel.  Please get a new script - preferably one based on something substantive.

    • Louis McLennan says:

      07:54am | 27/09/10

      Please get a new script

    • Michael says:

      08:14am | 27/09/10

      Having not just met oakeshott, but having spent too long growing up with him as a local I can honestly say that the media are all showing him the respect his position deserves. It’s not just the Punch or News Limited who have a sneering tone about this man - Fairfax say we “dodged a bullet” with his removal from contention as speaker. Nobody but oakeshott could seriously have anything but contempt for oakeshott’s “stance”, his conduct or his personal morality (or lack of). Here is a man with such a maliable character and lack of conviction in anything but himself and his own personal gain that he does not deserve the treatment the media give him. The media are honouring his position only.

    • evenkeel says:

      08:35am | 27/09/10

      Your request that media outlets “...analyse something important that he’s said…” requires one fundamental, and as yet unidentifiable event: that Oakeshott actually say something of importance.

    • bobw says:

      10:24am | 27/09/10

      @Louis:  Thanks for that.  Magic stuff.

      @Michael:  Of course, you’re perfectly entitled to that opinion.  But if there’s a story to be told about Oakeshott, why is it that all we’re getting is (to paraphrase somewhat):  ‘OMG guess what Robbie O said about ppl telling the truth!  He’s so D-U-M-M and no one likes him.  Plus I got a free trip to P-Mac LOL!!!’

      Incidentally, do you have a link to the Fairfax piece that you mentioned?

      @evenkeel:  You seem to have bought into the idea that Oakeshott can be regarded as a peripheral, village idiot figure, but the fact is that the composition of Parliament gives some of his opinions huge political “importance”, like it or not.  I’ve no problem with Oakeshott being taken to task over things that matter, but why bother sniping at throwaway remarks?

    • Aitch B says:

      10:34am | 27/09/10

      Spot on, evenkeel….... nothing but rhetoric thus far.

    • Gregg says:

      10:48am | 27/09/10

      If you look in depth through what Oakeshott has said bobw you will not only see some flimsy stuff but a very flimsy grabbing of some importance time which does not mean he himself carries too much importance in his own electorate or in the eyes of the Australian people save for Julia and there you have two snakes entwined.

      All this stuff on parliamentary reform is a lot of BS for a caretaker PM of all people should have indicated that parliamentary reform is for the parliament and not for a few independents to negotiate a wish list with major party leaders.

    • taiabada says:

      02:16pm | 27/09/10

      Of course not - Oakeshott brings it on himself and I rather like the description “...cartoonish, one-dimensional yokel ....”!  Vert apt!
      Wauchhope Boy!

    • Brian B says:

      02:31pm | 27/09/10

      “Oakeshott is presently a fairly significant political figure”........

      Sorry bobw, but that’s like saying Lindsay Lohan is at the forefront of the anti drug lobby.

    • Jane says:

      02:49pm | 27/09/10

      If Oakeshott had supported the Coalition the media would be pulling him to pieces, but because he supports Labor they are having a luv affair with him.

    • bobw says:

      12:07am | 28/09/10

      @Gregg:  I’m afraid you have missed my point - please see my response to evenkeel above.  I reiterate:  my comment was not directed to Oakeshott’s quality as a parliamentarian, but rather to the need to take him seriously as a person holding considerable de facto political power.

      @Brian B:  Sorry, but your analogy makes no sense.  Lindsay Lohan, needless to say, has nothing to do with “the anti drug lobby”.  By contrast, Oakeshott effectively determined the identity of the Australian government, and retains a critical vote in the lower house.  By definition, that makes him a significant political figure.

      @Jane:  Why is it necessary to view coverage of Oakeshott through the spectacles of Labor/Coalition prejudice?  In any event, your “luv affair” claim is clearly wrong.  Most post-election references to Oakeshott in the media, and particularly on this site, have been far from adulatory.

    • Chris says:

      12:55am | 28/09/10

      bobw:
      Are you Oakeshott? Come on—tell us. Look us in the eye.

    • Dom says:

      01:34am | 28/09/10

      Oakeshott is “a fairly significant political figure” as u put it largely by default, and not because he has a brilliant mind or has a visionary view for the future of our country. He appears to be far more interested in basking in this rather undeserved limelight ,droning on in dull political rhetoric, and securing the balance of power to feed his ego and presumably use it to then pork barrel in his electorate, instead of representing the bulk of the voters in his seat and support the coalition !

    • bobw says:

      08:18am | 28/09/10

      @Chris:  Is it so difficult to distinguish between criticism of simplistic media caricature and positive cheerleading for the subject of that caricature?  I have not said a single thing in support of Oakeshott the politician.

      @Dom: Of course, Oakeshott as kingmaker is a product of circumstance - no one is claiming otherwise, as far as I can tell.  The second part of your comment essentially encapsulates the prevailing media narrative - as it seems to stand in these parts, at least.

    • Ziggy says:

      06:57am | 27/09/10

      Remember the council was sacked there - apparently engineered by Oakeshott - maybe they were too honest?

    • MarK says:

      09:12am | 27/09/10

      No this is wrong.

      Oakeshott used the fact that he was not Rob Drew to his advantage. That is all.

    • John says:

      02:00pm | 27/09/10

      The council was sacked over a development issue which was way over time and way over budget (in the millions). They were gravely dishonest. Oakeshott had to intervene when he became MP. Maybe learn your facts.

    • Ziggy says:

      06:14am | 28/09/10

      @John I’m a developer. Not involved in that one but I assure you I know all the facts. You have no idea

    • Mary says:

      07:19am | 27/09/10

      Well Tory once again a completely biased piece - you obviously sought out Port Macquarie people whose answers you wanted to hear.  It would be wise to keep in mind the people of the town sat back and watched their Council bankrupt the town a few years ago - it was eventually sacked.  The town is second on the list of towns with heaviest debt.  There is no money for insfrustructure - it all goes into the bottomless pit called The Glasshouse.  Rob Oakeshott is a breath of fresh air and has done more for Port Macquarie in the time he has been our member than any conservative members and Councils.  He is a great member for Lyne, has widespread support and will be re-elected with an increased majority come next election.

    • Louis McLennan says:

      08:00am | 27/09/10

      Heavy council debt. Heavy state debt. Heavy national debt.

      I guess that was Oakeshott’s motto?

      Mary… such a dreamer.

    • TimB says:

      08:01am | 27/09/10

      Did you miss this Mary?

      “So no actual pitchforks, but as Colin pointed out: “He was a very liked person here but only his most ardent supporters still back him now.”

      In fact no-one I spoke too thought Oakeshott had done the right thing in backing Gillard.”

      What are you saying Mary? That Tory has the power to read minds and knew the viewpoint of every single person she interviewed before she interviewed them? Or that she lied about finding no-one who agreed with what Oakshott has done?

      I’m guessing you’re one of those “ardent supporters” she mentions.

      If they were to have a new election in Lyne this weekend, I would bet Oakeshott would be thrown out on his ear.  Same goes for Windsor in New England. Any money. That’s how sure I am.

    • Andy D says:

      08:03am | 27/09/10

      Mary, for his own sake I hope Oakeshott isn’t as complacent about his re-election chances as you are.

      Sir Rob donned his Lancelot outfit and rode into town on his mighty steed to rescue Port Macquarie from a terrible council and years of mismanagement, but they are gone now and he burned most of his good will when he sided with Gillard. I think you are blind to reality if you miss the fact that a lot of people in Lynne see Oakeshott’s decision as self serving and treasonous, and that was before he was forced to drop his plan for a ministry when it was revealed this wasn’t the first Labor government he tried to join.

      To say that Oakeshott will increase his vote next time around sounds more like the hollow blustering of a thoughtless booster than any sort of astute analysis. I think if he works on it Oakeshott can win next time around but he is still likely to see a strong swing against him. I think if there were an election in Lynne today he would be out the door, what Oakeshott needs is a successful, long lasting Gillard government (which further taints his independence).

    • MarK says:

      09:26am | 27/09/10

      Mary.

      He suffered a swing against him in this election. Besseling will be gone in the upcoming state election.

      Oakeshott will follow in the next federal election.

      He was elected on the premise he was not Rob Drew at the federal level. The Nationals committed suicide by running Drew.

      The town as a whole is sick of Oakeshott. The town as a whole is against his decision to back Gillard.

      That is all.

    • John GW says:

      07:25am | 27/09/10

      It’s interesting to read the other Punch articles about Oakeshott next to this one.  To tell the truth, it is all about power.  The minority government gives almost unbelievable power to the few people who think they hold the balance of power.  “Power corrupts.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” (Lord Acton).

    • Reg says:

      07:29am | 27/09/10

      Just be careful of those Port Macquarie dolphins if they look you in the eye.

    • taiabada says:

      03:15pm | 27/09/10

      Agree Reg - and the bloody Pelicans will quickly put s..t on you!

    • Old Clive says:

      07:31am | 27/09/10

      Birds of a feather flock together, Rob and Julia will be good friends, they are both trustworthy, they are both every day normal people with a lot on their shoulders and a driving ambition in their brains that they they alone are capable of getting this country out of the mess that it is in, you can throw in Windsor, Katter, the green from Melbourne and that other bloke from the Apple Isle, hang on to your seat we are in for a roller coaster ride.

    • TimB says:

      07:52am | 27/09/10

      Careful Tory. You’re coming dangerously close to bursting the fantasy bubble of the lefties.
      You know, the one where apparently Tony Abbott is the only person in the world who lies, Labor MP’s are as pure as the driven snow, and the people of Lyne are worshipping the very ground Oakeshott walks on for delivering exactly what they wanted.

      Time to face reality people. Oakeshott betrayed the people he’s supposed to represent. This isn’t some magical feat of mindreading I’m performing ,or wishful projection.  This is simple fact, backed by the AEC numbers.

    • Louis McLennan says:

      08:08am | 27/09/10

      TimB this is nonsense. The ALP never lie, you just misunderstood what they said. TA is constantly lying and the worst part is he uses simple English to do it! Just because the town didn’t vote for the ALP. I’m sure Mr. Oakeshott was smart enough to know the mood of his electorate. I hear farmers are particularity happy.

      Tory did you get to see fibre in Port Macquarie that was put in by a local company? I’m not joking there has been fibre there for a few years now in a few streets.

    • Andrew says:

      09:31am | 27/09/10

      @Louis “The ALP never lie, you just misunderstand hat they said.”

      Gold! Comedy Gold!

    • Scarneck says:

      11:08am | 27/09/10

      TimB…Tony Abbott is the only politician that says he lies, there is a difference between perception and saying you do. As for Oakeshott, can you please drop the crap about what his electorate voted for and didn’t vote for…when I vote for an independent, I vote for an independent, not ALP, not Liberal or National. On a 2CP basis, Oakeshott got over 62% of the vote, Gillespie got 37%...do you understand how stupid your and other comments are regarding this? get over it, the parliament resumes Tuesday, so let’s get on with it.

    • Mike T says:

      12:07pm | 27/09/10

      @ Louis

      WOW just WOW…....

      1. To say any party does not tell lies is incredibly one eyed.
      2. You say the town didnt vote for the ALP, however the mood of the town was for Oakshoot to support the ALP….umm can you explain

      The motivation for Oakshott was very much about power….if not why did he try to push through parlimentry changes that would allow him to take the offer of speaker??

    • MarK says:

      12:24pm | 27/09/10

      @Scarneck

      You have oversimplified and used your own prejudices to colour your reasoning.

      I seriously lol at some of the comments here.

      We have 2 seperate narratives that seem to run in tandem on the boards

      1. Oakeshott is a conservative so Abbott is truly bad because he couldn’t convince him to stay “true” to his electorate.

      2. He is an independent that stayed true to his independence hence Abbott is bad because Gillard won the “negotiating” war.

      Now I know everyone wants their cake and wants to eat it too but really some semblance of a single story line would be nice from the left.

      Let me give you some facts from a guy on the ground in the electorate that has a passing interest in this stuff.

      a. It was claimed in the election that a vote for Oakeshott was a vote for Labor. This was strenuously denied by Oakeshott and was labelled a smear.
      b. Oakeshott kept a pretty low profile and had the advantage of a honeymoon. He still is NOT Rob Drew and he still makes faces at The Glasshouse. That wins him votes.
      c. It was widely assumed that if push came to shove he would back the coalition.

      Trust me on the above. I live here. Don’t believe me? Look at Tors research. It is hard to escape that fact.

      Now the claims of his great electoral success.

      He actually had a swing against him. Close enough to a 12% swing against him in fact on a 2PP basis. From a huge high no doubt but still his primary vote fell 17% as well.

      He did betray us. TimB is correct. To use your own terminology do you realise how stupid your comments are regarding this.

      One thing the media really have not picked on is Oakeshott was elected because he WAS NOT Rob Drew. It really was that simple.

      As we have seen historically people are willing to give politicians a 2nd chance - hence the extreme difficulty of tossing out a first term government.

      Make no mistake. Oakeshott was not necessarily “popular”. Lyne needed a conservative to vote for. We didn’t have a Liberal. We couldn’t vote for a National in 2008 - aka the Rob Drew factor - so we took the only other option. Note Labor didn’t even field a candidate so well known was the 2008 outcome before we went and had a vote. They didn’t waste their time and had 41% of the 2PP in the 2007 result. Without a “conservative” independent Labor could have contested and won the seat off Drew so unpopular was the man. Actually unpopular is the nicest thing I can say about him.

      To further back this up Labor in 2007 received 32% of primary. 2010 - 13%..............

      Labor do not show up on the 2PP in 2010. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Oakeshott to back a Labor government there is it?

      What TimB said was not crap.

      I live here. I have been saying it since that 17 minutes which lasted a lifetime (gawd he rambled). Tors came here. She found out that what I have been saying was true.

      If you don’t believe it fine. But don’t make stuff up about which you know nothing about even when faced with conclusive evidence.

    • TimB says:

      12:56pm | 27/09/10

      So Scarneck, in your universe lying is ok, as long as you never admit to it.

      Gotcha.

      Your other stuff is stupid. I won’t bother going into why, MarK has done so quite thoroughly. He lives in the electorate so I suggest you pay attention.

      MarK, I should point out that I believe Loius was being sarcastic. Check out his other posts, he’s on our side wink

    • TimB says:

      01:11pm | 27/09/10

      Oops. I seem to have combined MarK’s post with Mike T’s in my head when I posted my previous reply.

      MarK. my apologies, Mike, please see what I wrote to MarK.

      (Unless of course my previously reply doesn’t post for some reason in which case disregard wink )

    • Roja says:

      01:31pm | 27/09/10

      @MarK - It’s strange but I finding myself agreeing with you, particularly on the a/b/c comments. 

      You don’t elaborate on the two versions of the leftie narrative however - the part where Abbott is bad because Oaky is independent and Tone didn’t negotiate, or Oaky is conservative and Abbott is truly bad for not bringing him on board.  Both narratives exist because nobody truly knows, however the scenario you didn’t include was where Abbott did not fail.  Is that an admission?  Or are you going with Abbott threw that contest to instead win the replay outright?

      There is also irony that Oakenshot won on the “I’m not Drew” platform, which was the entire election strategy of the Coalition.

    • Mike T says:

      02:04pm | 27/09/10

      Thanks Tim…. The scray thing is that it isnt even that far left of some of the other posts on here!!!

    • Northern Steve says:

      03:06pm | 27/09/10

      I would say Julia coming out and saying we would now get the real Julia instead of fake Julia, pretty much implies that she was lying to us before that. 

      I don’t think Abbott’s admission really makes things any worse for him.  Look at Bligh.  Before election, no mention of public assett sales, rises in regos, dropping the petrol subsidy, yet all came out within a couple of weeks of being relected.  No one believes here when she says that they weren’t on the table before the election. In fact, I think that if she had come out and said she’d lies about it, her polls would probably have been better - get it out and done with at the start of the term rather than letting it fester.

      Back on topic, I’m sure it won’t be long before there’s another poll in Lyne and we can stop this conjecture and see what is really going on.  Either he will be vindicated, or he will be feeling a bit concerned about re-election results.

    • MarK says:

      03:43pm | 27/09/10

      @Roja…this whole feel good parliament has got to you and you are agreeing with me…./shock raspberry Nah seriously I hear what you are saying.

      To elaborate a bit the 2 narratives are there because people just use the one most appropriate for their rant. If it just a bash the rAbbott rant they go with option 1, the “he can’t keep a conservative onside” one.

      If they wish to espouse the (I truly believe false) premise of Gillards capabilities then they go with option B.

      The problem is they cannot coexist. If he truly was conservative and in tune with the electorate he would back Abbott and no one would raise an eyebrow. If he was truly independent he would give one side the no confidence guarantee and not horse trade positions of power.

      In other words I believe we have a third option.

      Quite simply because of perceived past slights and a changing of his views he was able to prosecute an agenda he secretly desired to do for a long time. That is, lurch to the left to use popular terminology.

      The thing is if it was widely known that he actively sought a ministry under Iemma his “allegiance” would have been further questioned.

      So really I don’t hold truck with either of the fail Abbott scenarios. I think there was no real chance for Abbott to win them over to be honest.

      What we saw was a fortnight of bluff with a preconceived outcome at the end. It was payback. Oakeshott and WIndsor (and Katter too) loved the limelight. Windsor got his pound of flesh for the bush but is retiring anyway. He really didn’t need time to make his mind up. Out of deference to Oakeshott I believed they played the waiting game to give Oakeshott an out with the electorate here in Port Macquarie.

      A knee jerk yes to Labor would have been too suspicious. A prolonged and heartfelt process was required to keep up the veil of independence. and chance for re-election.

      So to answer I am going with the Abbott never really had a chance scenario. It was all a show. Call that a failure if you will, for all intents and purposes he did fail to win government. I seriously think he tried to bring them onside. I don’t believe he tried to throw it for a new election. But I do feel like he believes (rightly) he owes them nothing and he will do what oppositions have always done in the past which is of course oppose. Not the housekeeping - but oppose anything on ideology or merit as they see fit.

      The thought that this parliament should be allowed to work by the opposition playing nice is a funny idea. The onus is on Labor. If Gillard has the skills she can make it work. She has the numbers. It is up to her to get it going. She is playing a cunning game by shining the light on the Libs. After a while that gets old. I mean seriously what has Abbot wrecked? An idea that came from a group hug? SO what.

      To answer your final comment I totally agree there is a large chunk of irony. No doubt Abbott was saying he was not Kevin.

      It was a very local situation though in 2008 up here that got Oakeshott his gig. The anger in the town was real and large against Drew, the council and The Glasshouse development.

      Oakeshott just literally stood there and said I don’t like it. That was enough to get 70% of the primary vote (thereabouts). Why the Nationals EVER ran Drew is beyond me. He was hated, loathed and despised. And the evidence and monument to those feelings were on display in the centre of town. It was the craziest political decision I have ever seen to run Drew.

      I stand by my statement that if Oakeshott had not presented as a (conservative) independent and Labor had run a candidate Labor would have won the seat in a protest vote so loathed was Drew.

    • Roja says:

      05:20pm | 27/09/10

      MarK I have to say I agree almost entirely with what you are saying, clearly it must the madness of this current political arrangement that has technically not even begun yet. 

      The only points of dispute are the agreed unknowns really - I too had the feeling Oakenshot clearly wanted to join Gillard from the start, thus he took the circus route for political reasons. But why? Was that predisposition because Abbott was unpalatable to him? (which is not an Abbott failure in negotiations, but of his perceived personality).  Was it the treatment that the Nationals get in the Coalition?  Was it superior negotiating by Julia? Or was it for more simple reasons like wanting the NBN for his own electorate (or even home)? 

      It certainly does feel like Abbott was played by the indies, which gives the ammunition for the many theories on how that came to pass.  One thing is for sure, as has been well documented on this forum by the conservative side - Oakenshot is going to be pushing severely uphill come the next election.  He better achieve some major outcomes in his time.

      As for the Coalition withdrawal of support for the paired speaker arrangements, well it has damaged Abbott’s brand and Julia is for that reason shining the light on it to get some mileage on it.  However Tony knows that cutting their margin to one is a tactical move that should more than pay for itself - particularly when she needs to keep 4 ‘diverse’  people happy.  It’s like all this crap speculation about Rudd jumping on a plane to make him look like a leader, I bet he’s getting it out of the way so he can get back in time to keep the numerical advantage in the house.  It would be for nought if they couldn’t pass a confidence motion on day one.

      If there is one positive out of this result, at least it should keep the wasteful MP travel bills down for the next 2 weeks to 3 years…

    • MarK says:

      02:28pm | 28/09/10

      Exactly Roja the unknowns are just that are are really spitballing.

      I hope we can limit them a few trips a year but won’t hold my breathe raspberry

    • chris says:

      07:54am | 27/09/10

      So was he cautioned for signing his wifes name

    • Northern Steve says:

      03:09pm | 27/09/10

      Not clever if you’re a public figure trying to push for improved and more honest standards in public life.

    • bec says:

      08:00am | 27/09/10

      Having come from that part of Australia myself, it’s not that people lie, it’s that generally there is so much ignorance (of the lack-of-privilege and bigoted-wilful varieties) that whenever people say things that aren’t true, it’s done with good faith as they genuinely believe what they say. It’s a place with the noxious “tell it like it is” mentality which isn’t honest enough to admit “tell it like it is if you don’t actually have any experience or knowledge of the topic at hand and keep braying your opinion until your opposition goes silent”.  Coupled with astronomically high suicide and youth unemployment rates, it’s a shame the truth about the region isn’t actually broadcast.

      It might be beautiful geographically, but nothing could entice me to live back there.

    • nosthow says:

      08:00am | 27/09/10

      Well I dont live in Oakeshott counrty but I do live in Australian and I do know that for Australians to want a weak PM like Abbott , a man by his own admission on TV doesnt tell the truth, has no policies and no vision for Australia, is far worse than anything Oakeshott has ever done. I have followed politics for 45 years and Abbott is the worst Opposition leader I have ever seen bar none ! Australia would go backwards at great speed if this wastrel was ever to become PM. Not now Tont, not ever !

    • Peter says:

      08:30am | 27/09/10

      What! worse than Beazley? Crean? or perhaps Latham?
      Talk about one eyed.

    • nosthow says:

      08:49am | 27/09/10

      @Peter - his crowning “feature” Peter is that he has told the Nation on TV that he tells lies ! His only plan for the future is to disrupt Parliament and smash infrastructure projects like the NBN. Of course hes given that “no-win” job to his arch enemy Malcolm “Grechy” Turnbull the Coalition email IT expert ! hahahh ! Malcolm was silly enough to dive in head first - bet he wishes by now he hadnt ?

    • jb says:

      09:14am | 27/09/10

      Don’t you mean you have followed the labor party with rose colored glasses for 45 years.
      I mean please, if JG was the leader of the greens would you have voted for them instead of your beloved Labor party?
      And all your ranting about Somlyay being the man rarara of integrity for going against the party.
      You people just look like ranting raving fools.
      You are in the front row seat to the implosion of the Labor party and you think that those resposible for that are awesome and all you can say is ooooooh Tony Abbott you’re a wrecker like a bunch of primary school students rounded up by the school mum.
      You know that stupid slogan was made up by that 2 year old green and your girl nicked it off her.
      Nothing original on your plate mate!

    • Peter says:

      09:18am | 27/09/10

      notsthow… Abbott told the truth..politicians sometimes make statements that are not true..Does “No Carbon Tax” ring any bells?????

    • Ryan says:

      10:35am | 27/09/10

      @Peter: no you misunderstand, Gillard doesn’t lie, she never lied about
      - there being more chance of sailing around the world solo twice than challenging Rudd for the top job..
      - there being more chance of playing full forward for the Western Bulldogs than challenging Rudd for the top job.
      - Not moving into “The Lodge” without being elected by the people
      - that there was no chance of there being a Carbon Tax and that any suggestion thereof was Liberal propaganda.
      - [insert any / all of the long list election promises (oops lies) here]>

      See all of the above didn’t happen, if I close my eyes and click my heels together I know that the Liberals lie to the Labor party but the Labor party NEVER lies to the Australian people, never, ever, ever, ever.

    • Gregg says:

      11:13am | 27/09/10

      You are so funny lostnow for if you had the ol red interview and ol red usually goes with you said this X months ago and for some reason cannot gather that water flows under a bridge, you would have seen Tony say quite clearly something along the lines of:
      ” you say some things of the cuff when being interviewd but when it comes to forming policies there could be something different developed ” .
      Now Julia is now saying it is not only OK not to deliver on election promises but that they will have to be broken.

      As for the NBN lostnow, you know very well that the coalition wants to deliver better broadband by using a mix of technology and the private sector and that is the big difference between a government that sets an environment for a country to develop through the power of free enterprise as against one that is going to spend untold billions without even a fully detailed plan.
      There are many Internet providers who agree with the use of multiple technology for various reasons, not least that technology is always developing.
      And so you yourself with ” and smash infrastructure projects like the NBN. ” are telling porkies are you not?
      You lack any credibility just like Gillard now doing backflips.

    • Mike T says:

      12:16pm | 27/09/10

      @ nosthow.

      Cheering on the ALP like they are you favourite footy team dosent qualify as “following"politics for 45 years

    • Harold says:

      08:03am | 27/09/10

      @ bobw, Mary, Jeremy!

      ALP staffers like you wouldn’t know vacuous if it hit you on your noggins!  If you have been told that your hero Oakeshott was to vote for the ALP in case of deadlock would you have voted for him? 

      No don’t answer that I know what your answers are!  Its like listening to murderers deny their crime.

    • bobw says:

      10:35am | 27/09/10

      @Harold:  Please note that I neither expressed support for my “hero” Oakeshott nor commented on his decision to back the ALP.

      I’m glad that you don’t want me to answer your question because frankly, I don’t understand it.

    • Carnegie says:

      08:14am | 27/09/10

      Tory,

      The real story here is Oakeshott’s attempts at media manipulation. He’s been at it for years and my guess he is currently being advised by Hawker Britton. The innapropriate relationships between Oakeshott and the local press have been exposed and that will spell doom for Mr Oakeshott and his band of “In"dependents!

    • Ken Pare says:

      08:14am | 27/09/10

      Lord Acton did not say “Power corrupts”.  He said “Power tends to corrupt”. Quite a different thing.

    • Rosie says:

      08:14am | 27/09/10

      Parliament hasn’t even sat and the mix match Govt is looking and sounding desperate. It is now a very different Oakeshott from the one the demanding one that was wielding so much power when Tony Abbott was after his vote. Oakeshot was keen to make a name for himself by announcing parlaimentary reforms and under the rare circumstances he imagined he could make it happen.

      Today, it is the astute Tony Abbott that has put a stop to Oakeshott ambitious political plans and thus the statement; “I come from an area of Australia where people look at each other in the eye and tell the truth.” Politicians lie all the time and they do it to benefit their party. In this case the Libs are no exception and should be commended for picking the right deal to renege on. Love it!

      We all know about the Labor’s Graham Richardson’s book; “Whatever It Takes” and I have no doubt Gillard Labor would have done exactly the same thing!

    • The Badger says:

      09:27am | 27/09/10

      Rosie
      tell us what you think about Julia moving into the lodge?

      I need a good laugh.

    • Rosie says:

      11:16am | 27/09/10

      Badger

      Wow big deal the PM has moved into the Lodge with her boyfriend! Even the Lodge didn’t welcome the new arrivals, the lawns weren’t not as immaculate as they should have been for our first female PM on her arrival.

      I would suggest to Julia Gillard to stay home this Saturday and supervise the first bloke in mowing the lawns of the Lodge to pay for his illegitimate keep. She should also abstain from making any comments about this Saturday AFL Grand Final. The woman like Oakeshott are bad news and it seems that everything they touch becomes controversial. Gillard jinxed the AFL Grand Final after she pleaded to some being that the nation didn’t want a draw and sure as night follows day we had a DRAW!

      After you finish laughing you may think seriously about my comments!

    • Gregg says:

      11:18am | 27/09/10

      Hey Badge, you may yet be seconded real soon to repack her stuff for moving out too!
      And you ought to ask Kruddie on how he felt about moving out!

    • bobw says:

      11:49am | 27/09/10

      @Rosie:  I laughed.  Pure gold.  Hilarious satire.  It was satire, right?  Thanks, Badger.

    • The Badger says:

      12:36pm | 27/09/10

      Thank you Rosie,

      you brightened up my day.

    • fairsfair says:

      01:14pm | 27/09/10

      I heard on the news that her move was delayed due to “the completion of repairs”.

      Did we give KRudd is bond back? Hope not. I wonder if there were fist holes in the gyprock…

    • Justin F says:

      08:18am | 27/09/10

      It was under his watch as MLA for the state seat of Port Macquarie that one of the largest corporate fraud cases in Australia took place.

      Obviously the King Brothers looked Tony in the face and told him truthly where all those phantom buses are back in 2003.

      Like most his public comments since the election, I feel he has a very unreal and Naive view of the world.

    • MarK says:

      09:16am | 27/09/10

      I totally oppose what Oakeshott has done. I think he is a goose. I also hope he gets his arse handed to him on a platter at the next election.

      But to suggest he was in some way asleep at the wheel when the King boys managed to dupe the NAB is overreaching to an incredible extent.

      Seriously wow.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      11:05am | 27/09/10

      @MarK,

      I took it more that the King Bros thing was more a reflection on the veracity of Oakshotts’ “telling the truth in Port MQ” statement..

    • MarK says:

      12:35pm | 27/09/10

      I see that connotation DD but when he used the phrase,

      “It was under his watch as MLA for the state seat of Port Macquarie”

      that started his thought process I took umbrage.

      The telling the truth in Port Macquarie statement is just more of his fanciful crap. Like the group hug bullshit it is an unfortunate statement that belongs in a romance novel beach side setting and not in reality.

      It means nothing. We lie, cheat, steal and live life like the rest of Australia. No better and no worse. In short, we are pretty unremarkable and are only in the spotlight because our verbose member lucked out. Oh….and he loves it.

    • Justin F says:

      01:52pm | 27/09/10

      Indeed, I am not implicating Oakeshott in the King debacle, but rather I was making the point that his generalisations about the trustworthiness of all his constituents make him look like a naive babe in the woods.
      Meanwhile, I have a perfectly good harbour bridge that I think he may want to buy….

    • MarK says:

      03:46pm | 27/09/10

      Fair call Justin.

      All good, no harm no foul.

      If you have an Eiffel Tower or a Golden Gate to package with that Habour Bridge I might be able to find a buyer.

    • Wayne says:

      08:21am | 27/09/10

      You all missed the point of the story. Port Macquarie is a great place and you people from the big cities should come on up and experience it and you will come away wanting to move there. The people of Port are just like anywhere else in our country, some dishonest but mainly good people. Mr. Oakeshott…... well all you people will have to make up your own minds ?????

    • Bert says:

      02:09pm | 27/09/10

      As some one who grew up in Port Macquarie, it’s a dead end dump. The amount of corruption is amazing. The Catholic Church literally owns half the town. The “Glasshouse” is a bottomless pit of spending, there’s no future for anyone growing up there. The council was thrown out for corruption. There’s a huge amount of ignorance and everyone has tall poppy syndrome.
      It has a huge amount of people living content off Centrelink payments, it’s easier to have kids and get a single parent cheque then it is to find a job.
      You better hope you love the beaches or you’re out of things to do, huge amounts of underage drinking and drug taking. Check out Shelly Beach at night on the weekends and you’ll see hundreds of kids pissing it up.
      A dealer can pull in $1000 a night easy from the local night clubs.

    • iansand says:

      09:06am | 27/09/10

      In litigious terms there are settling towns and fighting towns.  If I recall correctly Port was a fighting town.

    • stephen says:

      10:20am | 27/09/10

      Indeed Sir.  More crime there
      than in Ivan Milat’s nightmare.
      All these coastal towns are the same : knarled, crusty ex-sea-captains walk to the RSL jousting with their memories of what it was like before these foreigners got their hands on everything.
      Their kids swear at strangers and dribble in drugs cause takeaways shut at 9 cause there’s too much crime.
      Port is one of the worst. Mr. Oakshott and his type made it that way.

    • MarK says:

      09:23am | 27/09/10

      So cranky Tors.

      You came all the way to Port Macquarie and never invited me out coffee.

      For shame.

      However you have picked the mood about right. People are just getting plain embarrassed about this walking Warhol caricature.

      I do so apologise on behalf of Port Macquarie for our local member.

    • Tory Maguire

      Tory Maguire says:

      03:15pm | 27/09/10

      Sorry MarK! Port Mac is gorgeous though.

    • Fred says:

      09:59am | 27/09/10

      I grew up in another paradise, Tasmania, where the habit in my now grey generation was to vote for the person you trusted most.It was always a choice for the lesser of two evils .We regularly voted Liberal federally and Labor locally and swung , because it all hung on the integrity and quality of the representative standing for election!  Port Macquarie chose well. A “non car salesman type ” like Rob is a gift to the people and our democracy. Both major parties should take note and select top quality real human beings with talent and ideals to vote for.

    • Gregg says:

      11:23am | 27/09/10

      Fred, sorry to disappoint you for Oakeshott is not only more the car salesman type but I believe he may even use Snake Oil as well.

    • MarK says:

      10:37am | 27/09/10

      “with talent and ideals to vote for. “

      Please outline the facts that point to your view that Oakeshott has

      1. Talent - please provide examples

      2. Ideals - please outline the Oakeshott manifesto in detail as you understand. Give examples of his ideals in action.

      “A “non car salesman type ” like Rob”

      In light of Oakeshott’s attempts to get himself elected as speaker or as a Labor minister please enunciate why you think this comment of yours stacks up to the current available evidence. As an addendum to this please explain how getting a $10 billion bush handout was not in any way trading off of a vote for money in true car salesman fashion.

      I wait with keen interest for you to explain more fully.

    • Andrew says:

      11:30am | 27/09/10

      MarK do you set exam papers for a living?

    • Mother of says:

      01:20pm | 27/09/10

      Andrew
      Excellent, I think you pegged him correctly as a frustrated academic who makes up and grades papers for primary students.

    • MarK says:

      03:53pm | 27/09/10

      Or maybe someone who would like some answers from people like Fred who make a statement without any justification.

      Then again that doesn’t fit the preconceived notion of me you wish to have so knock yourself out.

    • nosthow says:

      12:08pm | 27/09/10

      Just saw Tony “the Wrecker” Abbott arriving in Canberra. Looks like hes spoiling for a fight Coalition supporters. I hope the Speaker sends him from the Parliament when he misbehaves - as he will. I remember a while ago when Julia Gillard was speaking he danced about the floor like a baboon trying to block the camera. Fortunately Jenkins sat him down like the dunce he was - dont think hes improved much !

    • MarK says:

      12:37pm | 27/09/10

      Brilliantly on topic as usual.

      Thanks.

    • The Badger says:

      12:51pm | 27/09/10

      He’s spoiling for a fight alright.
      He just read in the paper that Tony Crook the man who ran as a National has deserted the sinking coalition ship and will be sitting as an independent.
      And they tell me there is no division in the coalition ranks.  I have some respect for Tony Crook, he realizes that being subservient to Howard and the Tories for 11 years did the bush no good at all. About time the nationals grew some and broke away from the coalition to get things done for the bush.

    • TimB says:

      12:59pm | 27/09/10

      Aww, the Left have given Tony a new nickname.

      Cute.

    • Northern Steve says:

      03:16pm | 27/09/10

      Yep, TimB.  It’s much easier to give a new nickname than actually debate anything of value.  Do you think they have a committee for these names, or are they computer generated?

    • nosthow says:

      04:22pm | 27/09/10

      @MarK - we wealthy self funded retirees do our best to please MarK !

    • Chris L says:

      07:12pm | 27/09/10

      Par for the course TimB. I do think the quality of posts on this site would greatly improve if both sides gave up on the childish name calling. I also believe the eagerness some show to accuse everyone who backed “the other side” of being stupid demonstrates the absence of any point.

    • nosthow says:

      09:20pm | 27/09/10

      @Chris L - hey fella ever watched QT in Parliament - ever watched the news or current affairs - its the real world old son. I am from the Keating school of politics - he once called the Opposition “maggots” - and you know what - they were !

    • Lyne Voter says:

      01:39pm | 27/09/10

      Forging someone’s signature is FRAUD. It’s no wonder Oakshott sided with the ALP, their whole party is one big fraud. Grocery choice - fraud, fuelwatch- fraud, promised childcare facilities - fraud, school halls program - fraud, “there will be no carbon tax” - fraud, “I fully support PM Rudd” - fraud, “more affordable housing” - fraud, “cheaper better childcare” - fraud, East Timor Solution - fraud, “root and branch tax reform” - fraud, “I was only a member of the Socialist Forum in my 20s” - fraud, “The profit’s tax is not negotiable” - fraud, “We wont touch the private health tax rebate” - fraud, “Sorry Day” - fraud, 2020 summit - fraud, “we’ll abolish compulsory uni union fees” - fraud, stealing the states GST - fraud, “public ownership of hospitals by July 2009” - fraud. Yep Oakshott fits right in as an ALP member. It appears the biggest fraud of all is Oakshott running as an independent.

    • Laura says:

      04:10pm | 27/09/10

      Lyne Voter, I applaud you. I am sickened by Julia Gillard and her government. I was sickened by Kevin Rudd and his government too. I didn’t think it could get any worse and then along came Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor. That these two so-called independents helped Gillard over the line when she should have been sent packing to her little house in Altona is a crime. History will not treat any of these poiticians kindly. In the mean time until history can do its work I applaud people like you, dear Lyne voter.

    • Laura says:

      01:47pm | 27/09/10

      Rob Oakeshott makes third world politicians look honourable, humble and self-effacing.

      And, Julia Gillard ............well she would be right at home in a South American dictatorship. She and her government make Hugo Chavez and his cronies seem down-right trustworthy.

      I want to laugh out loud but all I can mange is a groan. Thank God for history. Right now we may have to suffer these appalling politicians but history will give them their just desserts.

      Thank you Tory. Loved your article. Please more of the same. You’ve really helped me with my extreme case of Gillarditis. So no more ABC for me and any time I see or hear Gillard on the radio or TV,  I need to switch off. Otherwise I start to shake.

    • yofussn says:

      03:41pm | 27/09/10

      So its ok to vote independant & wake up to find them in bed with labor,?

    • Lance says:

      04:28pm | 27/09/10

      Don’t worry there won’t be many Lyne voters voting for Oakeshott at the next election. Listening to Barry Cassidy and his crew on Sunday saying he will be returned in his electorate and possibly with an increase in votes has got to be the biggest load of BS I’ve heard. How do they get away with such rubbish on the ABC. Also the Liberals are putting a candidate up in Lyne next time as well. I can guarantee Oakey will be left behind in the dust.

    • Davo says:

      04:57pm | 27/09/10

      Maybe Oakshott simply understood that Abbott was full of bull’s dust and had no interest in serving the Australian people, but rather his paymasters in the mining and tobacco industries. Given the chance to fix things or destroy things he chose the positive. Oakshott had a choice to make to best serve the people of his community, Abbott was far from that best choice.

    • Theo Racle says:

      06:23pm | 27/09/10

      Framing a market for more independents at the next federal election,what are the odds of another 5 independents to be elected,if the major parties persist with their pathos, I,d would think ,the odds are increasingly prohibitive. Tony is playing lowdown,whilst Julia is taking forever to get her makeup just right.

    • Max Power says:

      06:32pm | 27/09/10

      Lets have a revolution!

    • Disillusioned says:

      03:02pm | 04/10/10

      How cheated the voters of Lyne must feel! Mr Jokeshott has used them to increase his pay packet: an extra $100K p.a. can help cover any inconveniences his lifestyle may create. To think he has sold them out is validation of the inadequacy of our system of selecting our politicians. Or is it that we are so easily swayed by spin?

      Both he and Tony Windsor should be ahsamed of their behaviour: don’t they know that stardom is short-lived?

 

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