Osama bin Laden isn’t dead. For all we know he’s lying low in Vegas, possibly with Elvis, or living at Ronald Biggs’ old place in Rio.

Former Guantanmo Bay detainee, Mamdouh Habib, says Osama is still alive.

Even if they produced images of bin Laden’s body, there is every chance the photographs could have been doctored.

And even if they produced the body itself, there’s no way of being 100 per cent sure that it’s actually his corpse anyway.

So goes the screwy logic of the Osama conspiracy theorists, that sizeable number of nuts who proliferate on the internet and refuse to believe The Great Lie about his assassination this week.

Many of these people belong to the “controlled detonation” camp, positing that September 11 was not an act of Islamic terror but a carefully-executed plot by the US military-industrial complex to justify war in the Middle East.

These people hail from diverse cultural and religious backgrounds. In the United States one of the most rabid advocates of the Osama conspiracy is an arch right-wing radio host who also believes President Obama might be the Anti-Christ.

Some of them are also Muslims, such as former Camp X–Ray resident Mamdouh Habib, who popped up in western Sydney this week telling Dave Speers on Sky News that he knew for a fact that Osama bin Laden was still alive.

People have every right to believe that Osama is alive, that man didn’t walk on the moon or whatever nonsense they like.

But one of the more unnerving features of this week’s events is that they flushed out some members of our own community who, quite clearly, have a highly questionable commitment to the country they’ve chosen to inhabit.

They’re not denying that Osama is dead – they’re just devastated about it. I’m talking here about that minority of Muslim leaders and organisations who believe bin Laden is a martyred hero.

There were some who went well beyond lamenting the use of violence against bin Laden, or warning that new extremists will simply fill his shoes, both of which are completely valid positions.

Instead they sounded like they had been cheering bin Laden on, applauding his efforts as the valid crusade of a freedom fighter, mourning the loss of a great man and spiritual leader.

The Australian arm of the hardline Muslim group Hizb-Ut Tahir issued a statement this week denouncing bin Laden’s death. The press release was headed “The real terrorists claim a false victory in continuing to veil the real issues”.

It was issued “in the name of Allah the Gracious The Merciful” but sadly failed to include a contact number for the popular deity. That job fell to Hizb-Ut Tahir spokesman Uthman Badar, a young bloke with a pretty grim view of the world.

“The reality is that Osama bin Ladin was fighting in resistance to Western aggression against, and subjugation of, the Muslim World,” Badar wrote.

“All Muslims are against these manifestations of Western imperialism; Osama bin Ladin was just one expression of the Muslim resistance to these.

“Islam does not condone the targeting of innocent people, whether in New York and Bali, or Baghdad and Kabul. At the same time it affords everyone the right, indeed the obligation, to resist unjust aggression, regardless of perpetrator.”

Just how the events of September 11 could be shoe-horned into the category of “resisting unjust aggression” is anyone’s guess, unless you regard flying planes into office workers, lift attendants and janitors as a valid pre-emptive strike against the west.

Still, Uthman Badar was reasonably moderate in his praise for bin Laden in the press release. He saved the gushing stuff for his Facebook page, where he refers to OBL as “one of the great mujahids of the modern age – may Allah have mercy on his soul”, and says that his involvement in 9-11 was “unsubstantiated” (funny that, given Osama was on tape a few days after the atrocity claiming full responsibility).

The best line comes where one of Uthman Badar’s more moderate friends suggest on his Facebook site that 9-11 may have been a tad excessive, to which Badar responds “A man cannot be judged on once incident. We all make mistakes.”

Calling September 11 a mistake is like a calling World War Two a misunderstanding.

There have been calls for Hizb-Ut Tahir to be declared a banned terrorist organisation in Australia, along with groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Jemaah Islamiyah.

In a way it’s kind of handy having someone as nutty as Uthman Badar out there in the public domain, rather than forcing him underground, as it at least gives the authorities an opportunity to monitor his ravings and those of his colleagues.

I’m sure the irony is completely lost on him too, as he benefits from our freedom of speech and our tolerance of different opinions, allowing him to barrack for a guy who would cheerfully slaughter anyone who did not believe in Allah.

Until he was assassinated, that is. If you believe that kind of thing.

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    • TChong says:

      06:07am | 08/05/11

      Punch “art director"or whatever the job title of whoever picks the accompaning pix.
      Why single out Habib?
      Hasnt he been thru enough.?
      Another chance to ridicule, incite the haters to claim he must have been guilty of something / anything. ?
      More kicks for a bloke who was treated appallingly for something he never did.
      Poor form.

    • Erick says:

      07:30am | 08/05/11

      Habib has been quick to take any opportunity to grandstand and spout rubbish. If he didn’t want the attention, he wouldn’t have given an interview. This is more indulgence than persecution.

    • Angry God of Townsville says:

      08:00am | 08/05/11

      Chongy old boy, did you actually read how Habib went on the Sky and spoke in regards to this article. It was his choice to resume a public profile, with all the airs and graces that it involves.

      I can not believe that you manage to get upset over the personal choices taken by a person of their own volition, whilst then seeking to defend his voluntary actions. Was it poor form for Habib to carry out this interview, poor form to ask what motivates any supporter of Bin Laden why they want to destroy the West.

      You question the motivations of the birther movement in the US, and yet you ignore the motivations of a Deather when it comes to Al’Queda. Why is that?.

    • John C says:

      08:47am | 08/05/11

      Do you remember the picture of Habib with the bazooka or rocket launcher or whatever. Says it all.

    • jf says:

      09:34am | 08/05/11

      “Some of them are also Muslims, such as former Camp X–Ray resident Mamdouh Habib, who popped up in western Sydney this week telling Dave Speers on Sky News that he knew for a fact that Osama bin Laden was still alive.”

    • Craig says:

      01:49pm | 09/05/11

      Obviously that torture in Guantanamo has killed more than a few of poor Habib’s brain cells.  Then again, I could have sworn my taxi driver on Saturday bore more than a passing resemblance to OBL…

    • Erick says:

      06:30am | 08/05/11

      I’m getting a sense of cognitive dissonance in the propaganda of some of these loonies. To simplify greatly:

      “Osama bin Laden didn’t do 9/11, but he’s a hero for doing it”.

      “The Holocaust was a lie, but the Jews totally deserved it.”

      The propositions of the conspiracy theorists are often ultimately self-contradictory.

    • John (tin foil) says:

      10:45am | 08/05/11

      Yes Erick, can you please explain the why the WTC towers collapsed? It’s been a long time since i had a laugh.

    • michael j says:

      12:49pm | 08/05/11

      Never mind , The Sunday Mail ,page 51,now has him being shot in the back,perhaps in the head, excruciation style ? or trying to run?
      Still it will shortly be out he was in the middle of a Prayer Session,?
      perhaps another barrel of oil on the fire,i really hope this shit don’t come to us to hard,,I say Troops home from Afghan within 6 months,they can deal with their own problems,
      Binnys will seems standard for someone who is about to get 70 virgins

    • Barry says:

      06:06pm | 08/05/11

      @John
      Since you must not have heard of the this lovely thing we like to call “SCIENCE”, I will help you out.  Do you like that word?  It’s a new one for you isn’t it!  I’ve decided to supply you with some “SCIENTIFIC” articles which contain what we like to call “LOGIC AND REASONING”.  You would learn about these things if you had an “EDUCATION”.
      http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html
      http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0711/banovic-0711.html

      Read these articles and you see why the trade towers most likely fell.  Now let’s see what you can supply other than some dodgy websites.  How about some video footage which demonstrates your theory of why the towers fell?

    • Snake says:

      11:41am | 09/05/11

      Ah Erick, as intelligent as your views on feminism and society can be, your views on the “war on terror” and associated shenanigans are far from it.

      The west needs an enemy. Osama was the face of terrorism, a crafted campaign of the west to allow unquestioned invasion of any nation seen to be harboring such terrorists.

      Do yourself a favour, review the demolition of the twin towers on 9/11 and then watch some professional demolition videos on tall skyscrapers. It is far too convenient that these 2 monstrous towers fell under the weight of a single plane. Far too convenient that the following day Osama came out to claim the attacks as his own. Also far too convenient that the US wanted a reason to invade oil rich countries in the middle east.

      The world is now on board with the “war on terror” and Osama was the face that mad the slogan synonymous with “war on Islam”. No one questions attacks on Islamic nations due to the successful campaign to sell them all as terrorists and enemies of the west.

      To quote Alan Shore, “Adlai Stevenson, 1952, ‘The tragedy of our day is the climate of fear in which we live, and fear breeds repression.  Too often sinister threats to the bill of rights, to freedom of the mind are concealed under the patriotic cloak of anti-communism.’ Today it is the cloak for anti terrorism.” Adlai Stevenson also said, ‘It is far easier to fight for principles than to live up to them.’ I know we are all afraid, but the bill of rights, we have to live up to that.”

      PS Erick, the Holocaust was not a lie, just an exagerration. The fact that it is consistantly drummed into our heads by a pack of people who swear it was “the most horrifying experience” of their lives, yet continually re-live it in communication to everyone… Kind of dilutes the sincerity of the whole thing.

    • MattC says:

      09:24am | 08/05/11

      What a load of drivel (the will, not your post Erick). Allah Allah Allah Allah jihad Allah Allah jihad Jews Christians and Americans suck Allah Allah jihad….  it’s all just brainwashing unintelligent people who have nothing to lose.

    • Zaf says:

      09:59am | 08/05/11

      A last will and testament that doesn’t leave anything to anybody (which Islamic law does allow for a proportion of your estate) but instead produces some jihadi ‘motherhood statement’ about infidels, women blahblahblah.  Why would he have written this?  What purpose did it serve? I think it’s bullshit.

    • jf says:

      10:13am | 08/05/11

      Zaf says:09:59am | 08/05/11

      “A last will and testament that doesn’t leave anything to anybody (which Islamic law does allow for a proportion of your estate) but instead produces some jihadi ‘motherhood statement’ about infidels, women blahblahblah.”

      A last will and testament written by a religious fundamentalist full of religious fundamentalism. I was skeptical, but less so now.

    • Erick says:

      10:36am | 08/05/11

      Zaf, as the leader of a movement, bin Laden might just want to leave a message that would inspire his followers. He didn’t have any material possessions to leave anyone, after he went into hiding.

      I can’t vouch for the authenticity of the document, but there’s every reason to believe bin Laden would have left behind one or more messages to be passed on in the event of his death.

      Heck, even Pauline Hanson made a “if I am killed” video message.

    • Zaf says:

      01:33pm | 08/05/11

      Erick - given the vagueness of the contents, you, I or anybody else could have written this ‘last will and testament’. 

      And in terms of ‘motivation’ - it works almost perfectly for jihadis, tea partiers, and all conspiracy theorists in between.  Otherwise it wouldn’t be on a wingnut’s website, would it?  the only requirement is that the reader be gullible.

      You’ll forgive me if I remain sceptical.

    • Paulb says:

      08:48am | 08/05/11

      This is just what I mean Erick.  “well connected military blogger” no source, translations (Translation is almost always subjective), and so on.  There are Israeli organisations who make it their business to provide translations of Mid-East leaders’ statemtents to the global Press (SITE and CAMERA being two big ones)  They routinely provide slanted translations that portray Arab and other leaders in as poor a light as possible, and Israel as the perenial victim.  One example was the infamous “wipe Israel off the map” statement.  Not what was said according to actual speakers of Farsi, but the job was done and most Westerners now believe it without question.  It still gets routinely repeated (reinforced) in Murdoch rags.  The Jihadists you fear so much are but one small piece in a much larger game, and sometimes those who claim to be our friends aren’t really our friends.

    • stephen says:

      12:56pm | 08/05/11

      So if they did not actually say it, why do they practise it ?
      Hamas must be either stupid, lyers or very clumsy.

    • Al says:

      01:10pm | 08/05/11

      Paul:

      Every time your righteous president Ahmadinejad makes a controversial statement to the effect of “wiping Israel off the map” or calling for genocide against Jews and Israel (and let’s face it, he has made dozens of such statements), Western apologists such as yourself come out to defend him, saying he did not really mean it, he is actually a very nice guy once you get to know him. Why is it that he needs the apologists to interpret his statements in a more palatable way? Don’t you think that he is quite capable of setting the record straight if he was misunderstood? Or could there be a remote possibility that he does not come out to correct the mistranslation simply because there is nothing to correct? Why do you think he is putting so much effort into nuclear research and missile technology? Does he want to use his missiles to send Israel flowers and chocolates?

      As for the other alleged slanted translations, have you read the Hamas charter? Have you been listening to the statements made by leaders of Hezbollah calling for the destruction of Israel? Are these all mistranslation as well? Why don’t Hamas and Hezbollah come out to denounce this deception?

      I suppose next you’ll be saying that Osama bin Laden was mistranslated and misunderstood as well.

    • Paulb says:

      05:00pm | 08/05/11

      I can’t defend him over something he didn’t actually say Al, but I’d suggest your ranting post proves my point completely.  Do you work for Rita Katz?

    • Paulb says:

      05:05pm | 08/05/11

      Do they practise it Steve?  Lets see, a few vacant lots hit by bottle rockets fired by somebody in the no-man’s land between Israel and Gaza, vs a full-on air attack on Gaza civilians killing around 1500 of them.  Tell me again who is wiping who off the map?

    • Al says:

      07:07pm | 08/05/11

      Paul:

      “I can’t defend him over something he didn’t actually say”

      For something you can’t do you’re sure trying very hard. Your entire post above was in defence of your raving lunatic friend, telling us about the injustice done to him by Western journalists in deliberately mistranslating his peaceful statements.

      “a few vacant lots hit by bottle rockets fired by somebody in the no-man’s land”

      The main reason that many of the missiles fired from Gaza miss their target is the fact that those missiles, much like your reasoning, are not very sophisticated. And I suppose by selectively reading only news articles that suit your political taste you miss the occasional missile that hits a school, a house, or a school bus.

      My post proves your point completely? It seems you haven’t even read my post. Can you please explain to me where is this proof within my post?

    • Dark Horse says:

      09:54am | 08/05/11

      Thinking that these Islamists are “as nutty as Uthman Badar” is to underestimate the threat from Islam. Yes, we could I suppose label anyone who follows such ridiculous nonsense as the word of a god a nut, but that could also be said of many others who follow different supernatural beliefs for which there is not a shred of evidence.

      However, remember that among all the religions and cults, Islam stands out because it has legal and political dimensions that make it a totalitarian doctrine; it’s our way or you’re dead. The best thing we could do for ourselves is to declare Islam as an unacceptable doctrine in Australia and ban further muslim immigration. Just the way they treat women would be sufficient to do that, especially if we really do believe in gender equity as we say.

      There’s plenty of evidence in rapidly declining, once civilised countries across Europe and elsewhere to suggest that it would be a sensible self-survival activity to oulaw Islam as an accepted religion in Australia.

    • michael j says:

      10:51am | 08/05/11

      you should probably chuck in those scientist that believe Dark Energy is the substance that stops the universe from folding,they don’t know what it is or where it is,but they are sure that it is ,,

    • gorinosho says:

      04:35pm | 08/05/11

      Dark Horse I tend to agree, we should remember that Islam alone of all the major religions was formed AFTER Christianity and Judaism, and largely defines itself in contrast and opposition to those two religions. Muslim and Western societies have been in conflict for 1400 years, a fact that seems lost on many young, naive, post-religious, bleeding heart modernists.

      Mr Penberthy, I may be wrong about this, but I was always under the impression that after the 9/11 attacks Osama appeared on TV showing his approval of the attacks, but I don’t think he ever outright claimed direct responsibility, or ever even said Al Queda was involved. Which is not, of course, to say he wasn’t involved.

      And michael j, by comparing scientific theorists with fundamentalist nutjobs, and by calling a head shot “excruciation” (torture), you show yourself to be about the most ignorant person on the entire interweb. Best step away from the keyboard, and leave the grownups to talk amongst themselves.

    • michael j says:

      06:46pm | 08/05/11

      @gorinosho-Thanks mate always a pleasure to learn from an informed source,you can porve this too maybe you should give a name change,there is no difference if you can not see that ,you are the one thats lost,,
      a head shot at 2.5 km is easy,put yourself in thre room ,you heard of camp x-ray,, Theoretical science,n, Theology are not far apart,it,s only blindness
      thats binding,,,,,,,

    • michael j says:

      09:10pm | 08/05/11

      @  gorinosho—Thank-you You are indeed a true gentile-man ,that your belief in BINNY not being tortured by SEALS while in a room with only his wife who was shot in the leg for doing what ? before or after Binny was capped in the head before or after seeing his wife shot ?
      Certainly your Belief that A country like America that has no Record of TORTURE would be capable of doing that to a human in a lonely room ,in a far away land,
      means you are truly bleessed
      THAT you understand Faith,the Universe, Theology,and Science you are
      almost beyond Belief,would you care to voice your opinion an Australia’s
      recently signed agreement with America to support them with their Cluster bombs when required,? what constitutes a terrorist someone
      who plays computer games and kills children 6,000 miles , or some one who don’t drink Beer in Bali,??

    • The Badger says:

      10:01am | 08/05/11

      “(funny that, given Obama was on tape a few days after the atrocity claiming full responsibility). “
      I think you meant Osama Penbo

    • Mensur Cehic says:

      10:19am | 08/05/11

      “The best line comes where one of Uthman Badar’s more moderate friends suggest on his Facebook site that 9-11 may have been a tad excessive, to which Badar responds ‘A man cannot be judged on once incident. We all make mistakes.’

      Calling September 11 a mistake is like a calling World War Two a misunderstanding.”

      - Goes to show just what kind of scum tries to speak in the name of Islam and Muslims.

      “I’m sure the irony is completely lost on him too, as he benefits from our freedom of speech and our tolerance of different opinions, allowing him to barrack for a guy who would cheerfully slaughter anyone who did not believe in Allah.”

      —You know, Mr. Penberthy, you could just say ‘God’. Nobody expects you to speak Arabic. wink

      “Just how the events of September 11 could be shoe-horned into the category of ‘resisting unjust aggression’ is anyone’s guess, unless you regard flying planes into office workers, lift attendants and janitors as a valid pre-emptive strike against the west.”

      —You are very right, Mr. Penberthy. I strongly doubt 9/11 was about the so-called ‘Islamic’ world resisting any aggression. After all, the Saudi WAHHABI regime (which rules the land of Muslims’ holiest sites - Mecca) is allied to- and protected by the West. Recent lack of support by the U.S. for the democracy-hungry population that tried to start a Tunisia-style revolution is perfect proof of that. And don’t forget which WAHHABI country most of the alleged 9/11 hijackers came from. This also raises the question: Why on Earth was Iraq invaded, clearly Saudi Arabia could use a regime change and much sought-after democracy.
      Also, as far as 9/11 is concerned, I doubt it was a “pre-emptive strike”. Considering it is reputed to have been carried out by Al-Qaida, and Al-Qaida is a “database” of C.I.A.-recruited militants, it can only be termed as a “FALSE FLAG black op”.

      To better understand this, you should read Robin Cook’s (R.I.P) article on Al-Qaida in the ‘Guardian’..

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

      ” ‘The reality is that Osama bin Ladin was fighting in resistance to Western aggression against, and subjugation of, the Muslim World,’ Badar wrote.”

      —That is complete rubbish. The West definitely doesn not try to subjugate the so-called “Muslim” world - it is trying to PLUNDER its natural resources. Everybody knows that the greatest subjugator of Muslims is the cultural BACKWARDNESS of the mentalities prevalent amongst Muslims in most of these regions. This cultural BACKWARDNESS pre-dates Islam, it pre-dates Christianity and hardly has anything to do with faith. In fact, this BACKWARDNESS is trying to infuse itself into Islam and perceptions of Islam - and Mr. Badar and Mr. Bin Laden are perfect examples of that BACKWARDNESS.

    • John (tin foil) says:

      10:25am | 08/05/11

      Why celebrate or mourn a man that is just a fictional character? Even if the real osama bin laden stated to my face he was behind the 9/11 attacks, i wouldn’t believe him. What it seems to be me obama and his media barrens have utterly misjudged, the state of the American and other people’s of the world. They though that we could be fooled once again. But it’s not the case, the media and US government have lost creditability over the 9/11 attacks. It’s is like the event that opened up the can of worms, this mistrust, basically means we don’t believe a word you say. It’s just a matter of time, your fortress and pillars of lies will collapse, your losing creditability everyday. Your operations of undermining of 9/11 truth movement is failing, victory for the truth is near. Also don’t cover up and or plan any more terror attacks against we western people so that you can justify bombing Iran. We are watching you. I’ve been hearing, that so called al-qaeda wants revenge on the news, I tend to interpret that like this “western intelligence agency’s could be planning one right now, to blame it on fictional al-qaeda so that the never ending occupation of the middleast continues. Also as rationalize for a strike on Iran.

    • Aitch B says:

      07:50pm | 08/05/11

      Nutter…....

      Nothing to read here…... move on, all.

    • Al says:

      09:45pm | 08/05/11

      John,

      “Also as rationalize for a strike on Iran”

      Iran is not real. It was made up by the CIA to drum up support for its intervention in the Middle East. Ahmadinejad is really a CIA operative.

    • Dave C says:

      11:00am | 08/05/11

      If Bin Ladin was alive and in Australia we would know about it….... he would be standing for the Greens at the next election as their defence and foreign affairs spokesman, after all he bleieves in what the greens believe in “Death to America and Israel” bahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    • Mouse says:

      11:42am | 08/05/11

      Build a wall around all Islam countries, put all Islam followers within those walls and the rest of the world leave them alone. Let them flourish in the totality of their chosen beliefs, let them practice, to the full extent, their religion. They hate the rest of the world and the rest of the world don’t want to be anywhere near them. This should keep everyone happy.

    • nossy says:

      11:47am | 08/05/11

      Penbo its clear that Osama is now dead. However surely he had a succession plan as does any credible organisation ? If Ms Gillard were to , heaven forbid, dissappear down a mine shaft whilst inspecting Twiggys mines , then Swannie steps straight up to the plate. Same with Tones , Ms Bishop Jnr ,the perennial 2IC, moves straight in. Now who is Osamas 2IC ?

    • John says:

      01:52pm | 08/05/11

      nossy everyone knows who will take charge now. It is Al Zawiyah (think thats how u spell it). Anyway AQ has become more of a descentralised organisation and its spliter groups do not require permission any more to carry out attacks.

      Reminds me of that scene in Dont Mess With The Zohan when they call through to the terrorist hotline for supplies. Same in this case but more for inspiration.

    • nossy says:

      06:09pm | 08/05/11

      @John - thanks there John i was in the dark on that one. Hope the CIA knows ?

    • Glen says:

      04:35pm | 08/05/11

      LOL the photo. With eyebrows like that not a suss looking guy. No problems at the airport.

    • bikinis on top says:

      05:25pm | 08/05/11

      Your comment:
      Was there ever an Osama Bin Laden? Was he just an actor in movie videos?
      what does he look like without his beard ?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      05:48pm | 08/05/11

      “Islam does not condone the targeting of innocent people, whether in New York and Bali, or Baghdad and Kabul. At the same time it affords everyone the right, indeed the obligation, to resist unjust aggression, regardless of perpetrator.”

      If Islam doesn’t condone the murder of innocents it seems strange to me that it excels at just that.

      17,163 Islamic terrorist atrocities since 9/11, and rising. Thousands of innocents maimed and murdered.

      Wandering into a market with C4 strapped to your back is not deliberately targeting innocents? Why does it happen so frequently in Islam’s name? Why use the leagalese “condone”? Why not say Islam condems terrorist actions? Why is the tone always one of complicit deceit?

      I present you taqiyya.

    • michael j says:

      08:11pm | 08/05/11

      @Yeah RITES WIF ,,YA   no one likes kiddy killers,,,tell me again why Australia signed up for CLUSTER BOMBS, from big brother,,,

    • Jed says:

      08:45pm | 08/05/11

      Sad,

      Where do you get this 17, 163 figure from?

    • Septimus says:

      08:47am | 09/05/11

      Just as I thought!  The site, nor the figures have zero credibility.  You can’t even prove they are terrorist attacks/nor terrorist related.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      09:42am | 09/05/11

      Septimus.

      Lay out in detail why the site has zero credibility. Because you don’t like its message?

      If you note the right hand column, there is a long list of news articles lifted from sites around the world. These are their sources for the above number.

      There are patiently created lists of dates and attacks also available on the site. I’m sure you dispute these also.

      “You can’t even prove these are terrorist attacks.”

      They are all brutal crimes committed in the name of Allah to strike fear into the hearts of those who don’t support Islam. What would you call them? More pedantry. Embarrassing.

      “2011.05.07 (Cairo, Egypt) - Fundamentalists assault a church with firebombs and gunfire, killing five Copt defenders and four more in the ensuing riot.

      2011.05.07 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Religious separatists shoot a farmer to death.

      2011.05.07 (Pattani, Thailand) - Muslim militants detonate a bomb at a soccer field where police are playing a friendly game with villagers, killing four.

      2011.05.06 (Fallujah, Iraq) - An accused ‘enemy of Allah’ is kidnapped and beheaded.

      2011.05.06 (Kano, Nigeria) - Seventeen residents of a Christian village, including a pastor’s wife and three children are massacred in a pre-dawn Muslim attack.

      2011.05.06 (Quetta, Pakistan) - Eight Shiites visiting a cemetery are targeted and killed in a Sunni rocket attack.”

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

      They are accurate. But they are difficult to comprehend. Such a peaceful religion contributing so much violence to the world. It seems someone is lying. Taqiyya.

    • Septimus says:

      01:35pm | 09/05/11

      Sad, Sad Reality,

      You can’t prove why the farmer was killed, you can’t prove who did it, you can’t prove why they did it, you can’t prove the religion of the perpertrators, you can’t prove it was ‘terror’ related.

      So just a few minor issues on credibility really.

      (Though I am not suprised you blindly accept it as factual).

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:55pm | 09/05/11

      “Narathiwat, along with the neighbouring Muslim-majority provinces of Pattani and Yala, have been embroiled in a separatist insurgency in which thousands of security personnel, militants and civilians have been killed in the past decade.”

      Where there is Islam, there is violence and terror. The ideology is completely incompatible with civilised society.

    • Kika says:

      03:39pm | 09/05/11

      Well, SSR can I point out that the LTTE pioneered the suicide bombing technique which you are calling taqiyya?

      They weren’t doing it in the name of Islam but for Tamil freedom and independence. Of course, they took inspiration from the Kamikaze’s in WWII, but they took it to a new level by blowing themselves up in person and not a plane or machine.

    • Kika says:

      03:42pm | 09/05/11

      I love your research tactics too SSR. Like I have said previously, you’re research is 3 grade university level. Why not try an independent non-biased viewpoint to base your arguments and you might have a level chance of being seen as credible.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      04:12pm | 09/05/11

      Kika, I’m calling Taqiyya the attempt by Muslims to lie about the nature of Islam. This is the definition.

      True or false. The majority of suicide bombings in 2010 were committed by Muslims?

      Who cares where the practice began? I’m concerned with the ideology that excels at it and all those who support said ideology.

      You would not accept any information as valid if it showed Islam in a negative light. You have shown this over and over again, Kika. I can post thousands upon thousands of articles listing Muslim atrocities from news sites around the world but you will still not be convinced. You write as though you believe terror just happens to occur wherever Islam is the dominant ideology, as though you really believe 2+2 = 5.

      Here are some recent entries for you to reject outright.

      Here’s a little murder.

      http://www.aina.org/news/20110508144114.htm

      A little mayhem.

      http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME.XEF74562.html

      And a little tolerance.

      http://tundratabloids.com/2011/05/norway-imams-fundamentalist-views-leads-to-cancellation-of-islamic-school-permit.html

      Terror Update: The toll is now 17,168 terror attacks in the name of Islam. While everyone looks for excuses, blame shifts and outright lies, Islam supports the slaying of innocent people around the world. Make no mistake Islam is the antithesis of a liberal western democracy. Submission has no place in a society built upon equality.

    • Erick says:

      04:17pm | 09/05/11

      @Kika - “Well, SSR can I point out that the LTTE pioneered the suicide bombing technique which you are calling taqiyya?”

      You should google “taqiyya” before you make such a silly statement.

    • Richard Perin says:

      08:24pm | 08/05/11

      “I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” - Martin Luther King Jr

    • Septimus says:

      08:43pm | 08/05/11

      Al-Qaeda seem to think he’s dead.

    • John (tin foil) says:

      09:53pm | 08/05/11

      Well, somebody needs to give obama creditability, might as well be al-qaeda. With all these crazy conspiracy theorists, both parties need to follow the same script to make it believable. Think of al-qaeda as obama’s pet. He says jump, al-qaeda says how high. Obama, says roll over and they roll over. Obama says play dead, and they play dead. It’s a nice story, gotta give credit to the script writers.

    • Greg says:

      11:40pm | 08/05/11

      I have no doubt that bin Laden is dead, but I’m not suprised that people are suspicious of all the spin and political propaganda that comes out of the White House.

      Obama invites conspiracy theories. I suppose that he must want them to spread for some reason.

      First we hear that bin Laden was armed and used his wife as a human shield, then next we hear that this isn’t true. Then we hear “trust us” about the death, while the body is disposed of before any independent proof can be arranged. Then there is the refusal to release any photos. Then there is the stupidity of the claim that the body was buried at sea because no country would accept the body! Didn’t anybody think of Diego Garcia?

      And all this from a man who won’t release his birth certificate (only an alleged copy that seems to have been edited).

      Conspiracy theories are useful. They provide cover for the occasional true “conspiracy theory”. Like Monica Lewinsky having sex with Clinton, or there being no WMD in Iraq. They were originally “conspiracy theories” too, remember?

    • Kika says:

      03:36pm | 09/05/11

      Well David, maybe some of us have half a brain and don’t believe everything we read or see.
      I don’t believe in the Alex Jones conspiracies, but I do believe America has a liability towards September 11 for not acting on their piles of intelligence and info gathered on the suspects. In 2000 Mohammad Atta was identified as an Al Qaeda supporter but the CIA and FBI didn’t act.

      That’s what’s responsible for September 11.

      And it’s a convenient belief that you can knock out one nutter and believe that you’ve saved the world because there’s millions in the Islamic world who are prepared to do exactly what Mohammad Atta did and say what Osama Bin Laden said.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      04:21pm | 09/05/11

      To be fair to the US, Kika, there are so many Islamic nutters it can be hard to keep tabs on them all. Especially since, as you highlighted previously, Wahhabist Islam is responsible for creating so many terrorists. You know, the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia, a country with a population of 25 million. Millions of potential terrorists or sympathisers.

    • Sylvia34Osborn says:

      08:31am | 27/05/11

      I had got a dream to start my business, but I didn’t have enough amount of money to do it. Thank heaven my mate recommended to use the credit loans. Hence I received the collateral loan and made real my dream.

 

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