In mid-August Tony Abbott received a telephone call from a senior NSW Liberal Party official during which, amid a flurry of F-words, the Opposition Leader was given a warning from his home town.

Warnings looked something like this

He was told that if a factional barney over preselections was allowed to spread it would be World War III. Arthur Sinodinos, who last weekend was to have stepped down as NSW Liberal division president, was given the same message, according to party sources.

A month later it might not exactly be World War III but the political equivalent of tactical thermo-nuclear devices have been detonated.

The Liberal Party’s top figures have been taken to the Supreme Court by other Liberals and lost. Some $300,000 in the NSW division’s election campaign money reportedly has been spent on fighting legal challenges.

The loss meant the state council’s annual general meeting, already deferred and set for the weekend, was put off again and the change-over of branch president put off as well, possibly for more than a month.

Senator Sinodinos, now Mr Abbott’s parliamentary secretary replacing Senator Cory Bernardi and thus an even more influential adviser, would rather be doing his job in federal politics than riding herd on state branch tensions.

Further, there have been preselection decisions postponed in eight federal seats in NSW. Seven of those seats are not of great significance but one is the hugely marginal western Sydney electorate of Greenway, which the Liberals narrowly missed taking from Labor in 2010 because of that season’s factional set-to.

Had a Liberal candidate been in place in Greenway six months before the election—rather than six weeks—the swing against Labor might have been greater than the 7.4 per recorded and Tony Abbott might now be prime minister.

All this has erupted with little public notice because the party has largely kept a wrap on the fighting, which was the purpose of that earthy and prophetic telephone call to Mr Abbott back in August.

But a decision in the NSW Supreme Court is difficult to ignore, particularly when the 22 nominal defendants include Premier Barry O’Farrell, Liberal division secretary Mark Neeham, Senator Sinodinos, Michael Photios, Peter McGauran and Senator Bill Heffernan.

The plaintiff in proceedings before Judge William Nicholas was much less well-known. It was Denis Pogson of the NSW central coast electorate of Robertson.

Mr Pogson and others in that seat wanted the Liberals to introduce a system of local plebiscites to select election candidates, rather than have a candidate imposed by the party organisation.

It wasn’t that the party organisation opposed the idea. It would not put in on the agenda for discussion.

An attempt was made at court sponsored negotiations to settle the question of who keeps the gate leading to important forums. But on Friday there was no clear solution and the AGM was just one casualty.

In factional terms, the hard right of the party is backing the plucky rebels from Robertson. It’s the moderates who have been cast as the unresponsive power brokers. Well, that’s the right’s view of things.

Whatever perspective is take, the Liberals are spending a lot of time, money and energy attacking each other in the party’s largest state and the state which they hopes will produce the next Liberal prime minister.

It is roughly 12 months to the scheduled election, and this disruption is not a good start to the coming campaign.

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    • acotrel says:

      06:31am | 24/09/12

      TA says:  ‘We’re not stalinist ! ’
      Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:43am | 24/09/12

      Have a go at the way this has been hit on by the welded on at my time of posting with 25 comments acotrol has made 10 comments.

      Bereft of any argument in defence of this the worst government in Australian history they have raised their collective hackles and what is it all about really.

      The LNP want to assure the best candidates are in place. These are jobs being handed out. Well paid jobs if elected. When was the last time you got a job on the vote of the other employees at the company. When has anyone ever got a job on the advise of the cleaner.

      One disgruntled employee is pissed at not being preselected and probably for good reason. Yet the Canberra press gallery and their welded on supporters would have us believe this is some kind of mismanagement.

      What a crock.

      It’s the reason this Labor party is the worst government in Australian history as they seem to be selected on a popularity contest. I want strong government and cannot see any reason for the LNP to change its methods.

      I truly cannot understand any continuing support for this rabble by Mr Farr and his cohorts, other than their misplaced dislike of Tony Abbott, whom they seem vehement on destroying

    • Nick says:

      09:47am | 24/09/12

      Must be slow news day..One of the most boring and pointless opinion pieces Mal has written this year..but its has certainly got actorel excited..

    • acotrel says:

      10:01am | 24/09/12

      I love it , I cannot believe that an Australian political party could be so stupid as to think somebody like this could become PM and actually do the job. The LNP are a danger to themselves.

    • china twit says:

      10:05am | 24/09/12

      “The LNP want to assure the best candidates are in place. “

      Which LNP? The faceless LNP or the other LNP? Aren’t both sides in this dispute the LNP?

      This government is the best minority government ever.
      Low unemployment, low interest rates, nation building infrastructure, acting on climate change.

      Renn you really need to get out of your little bubble occasionally, you are rusting solid and soon won’t be able to move.

      PS - Abbott is a thug and will never be PM
      He’s toast.

    • acotrel says:

      10:09am | 24/09/12

      @ZRS
      Tony Abbott lied about the ‘carbon tax’ !

    • nihonin says:

      10:47am | 24/09/12

      acotrel says:

        10:09am | 24/09/12

        @ZRS
        Tony Abbott lied about the ‘carbon tax’ !

      He was ‘young and naive’.

    • ZSRenn says:

      11:10am | 24/09/12

      @ china twit.

      I always conduct my debate in an intelligent and adult manner and do not stoop to the depths of the GALIC supporters by slinging about insults.

      Obviously if this is the only retort you have to my argument is to insult me then I have hit a nerve.

      Low unemployment with the disguised figures which are more like 12% as mentioned in an earlier story by Ged Kearney of the ACTU as people listed as employed for 1 day a week are counted as employed.

      Low interest rates trying to keep the housing bubble from bursting wide open like a festering sore.

      Nation Building infrastructure like the BER or the Pink Batt scheme?

      Action on Climate Change? Do you mean the expensive new tax placed on local governments for waste disposal which will save 0.0% of global emissions?

      Then you go back to your insults of calling Tony a thug. Surely you can see that you have lost. You cannot support anything this the worst government can do in a positive manner so your only avenue is misguided personal attacks.

    • Martin H says:

      11:42am | 24/09/12

      Abbott is good for a laugh, earlier today he was saying Gillard should not be at the general assembly meeting of the united nations, instead she should be back home and talking to the leader of Indonesia about asylum seekers…one guess where the president of Indonesia is…you got it, at the UN meeting in New York, good one Tony. There is no way known this man can become PM of Australia, it would be an international and diplomatic embarrassment for all concerned.

    • china twit says:

      11:48am | 24/09/12

      “I always conduct my debate in an intelligent and adult manner”

      You see, that’s the point, you don’t debate anything, you regurgitate party line propaganda.

      Looks like I hit a nerve and back from you came with more of the same.
      Get out of the bubble and open your eyes.

      “The LNP want to assure the best candidates are in place. “

      Which LNP? The faceless LNP or the other LNP? Aren’t both sides in this dispute the LNP?

      Got a reply to this, or isn’t it in the latest handout?

    • ZSRenn says:

      12:13pm | 24/09/12

      @ China Twit ( Why do you call yourself a twit?)

      How pray tell do I regurgitate party mantra? I have nothing to do with the party. I debate it as how I see it. You will see if you go far enough back in The Punch files. The quote of 0.0% of Global Carbon saved by this new dinosaur tax are my own calculations. This is the very reason I call this the worst government in AU history.

      Ged Kearney is from the ACTU said unemployment was at 12%. An obvious paid up LP member. I am quoting her. Not the LNP party book.

      You are steeling if anything from LNP propaganda, with your use of the faceless men argument. Isn’t this what Tony Abbott called those that brought down Rudd when Gillard stabbed him in the back?

      This is about putting the best candidates forward for very well paid jobs. If you would like to elect candidates on a popularity contest, that is your look out, It is what is holding back the LP. and as far as I’m concerned. The real talent isn’t getting to the top.

      Australia deserves the best people in place and selection on merit of candidacy and not popularity is the best way to do it!

      I do not see why people would support it any other way! Maybe it is why Australia is going down the gurgler faster than a blind mullet on a Sunday morning.

    • Joel says:

      02:39pm | 24/09/12

      ZSRenn
      Posting on The Punch 101:
      Do not react to foolish ill-conceived comments from the likes of acrotel, it only makes them waffle on more.  Ignore them like you would the tantrum throwing 3 year old at the supermarket.

    • Babylon says:

      02:43pm | 24/09/12

      What about that Budget Bomb that just went Off!

      1000,000,000 Mega tonnes monster call the Stuffed up Gillard Government Budget Blowout. (Number 4).

      Can we afford the Gillard Government?

      Swan HOPES his forthcoming cuts wont effect jobs as he hoped the carbon tax and MRRT would not kill the Mining Boom.

      Hands up any chump who did know see this coming, because I’ve been prophesying this event on here for over a year.

    • goodwork says:

      03:13pm | 24/09/12

      Excellent result from the Australian government.

      “The 2011-12 Budget came in almost exactly as forecast, according to Treasury figures released today showing a slightly smaller deficit.

      The forecast had been for a deficit of $44.4 billion but the final result was slightly less - down $661 million to $43.7 billion”

      On track for a surplus of 1.5 billion.
      How disappointing is this for the conservative NO-nothings?

    • Nick says:

      03:56pm | 24/09/12

      @goodwork..yeah marvelous job 43.7 BILLION in deficit.
      Thats peanuts…next year a projected surplus of 1.5 Billion
      That will only take about 30 years to pay off just this years deficit..
      Nice going Labor..

    • TimB says:

      04:09pm | 24/09/12

      “The forecast had been for a deficit of $44.4 billion but the final result was slightly less - down $661 million to $43.7 billion”

      Oh how wonderful. They only lost 43.7 Billion. Slow claps for all.

      And to think that this is coming from the same idiots who whined about a mythical 11 billion black hole during the 2010 election.

      The Left has no sense of perspective.

    • ZSRenn says:

      04:14pm | 24/09/12

      @ Goodwork. The figures you quote are from May when they revised the deficit.

      Last June they said the deficit would be $26 billion

      Come on if your going to twist figures that much and ignore facts you have got to be a paid stooge.

      This is the third biggest deficit, ran up by this the worst government in Australian history, in the history of Australia.

      Lets not forget the $500,000,000 they have already lost from next year because they were caught fudging the books.

    • Alfie says:

      04:54pm | 24/09/12

      Mal and Acotrel…at it again. Give your wrists a rest boys.

    • Babylon says:

      06:39pm | 24/09/12

      ha ha ha POM McTernan pulls Aussie chain and he barks ” woof woof (Sit stay)”

      Wasteful Wayne wants to RE-DO the Budget, thats a big big deal.

      Swannie’s being forced to re-write the Budget it delivered just four months ago… Worry!

      We wouldn’t have a problem if they had not murdered the Mining boom.

    • ZSrenn says:

      07:08pm | 24/09/12

      I just realized I’m full of shit.

    • Babylon says:

      07:29pm | 24/09/12

      The Age, a well known mouth piece and soap box for the ALP always talks about “the complicated world of ALP factions.”

      So it is ironic that a Left winger would criticise the LNP for being fractious.

      It’s like Gillard lecturing us on family values after smashing Emersons.

      If you want to see the dis-unity in the ALP, look no further than The CFMEU, one of the most militant unions in the country, which openly defied the Labor Party and Julia Gillard herself in it’s recent Melbourne CBD riots.

      No thats fractious!

    • acotrel says:

      06:47am | 24/09/12

      The Holy Roman Catholic Church is not democratic, so why should the Liberal party be democratic? Next thing will be that upstart party members will want conscience votes on issues which affect basic human rights !

    • marley says:

      07:49am | 24/09/12

      The ALP isn’t a model of democracy either, acotrel.  None of the parties here are.

    • acotrel says:

      08:30am | 24/09/12

      @marley
      There was an old thing about ‘whingeing Poms’ which we used to get into years ago.  If you visit the UK and listen to the locals’ opinions about politics, we are worlds apart in our basic acumen. I believe that we Australians are far too naive, we fall for the three card trick every time ! The excuse could be that we are not taught history or clear thinking in schools, but the cycle repeats and little changes.

    • marley says:

      08:59am | 24/09/12

      @acotrel - I have no idea what you’re trying to say.  If you think the Brits have a more sophisticated understanding of politics than Australians do, though,nope, I don’t agree.  Lets not forget the Brits have elected a couple of BNP types to the European Parliament.

    • Stephen T says:

      01:03pm | 24/09/12

      Acotrel,  since when has your precious Labor been democratic.  I wish you would give trolling a rest, every time I visit these blogs they seem to be filled with your bile and vitriol, when you do manage to say something plausible it is generally not related to the topic that you posted in.  I believe that you really are a closet Liberal, if this is the case you should really come out and stop damaging Labors election prospects.  If you aren’t maybe if you approached the subjects with objective facts and reason you would more ably advocate Labor mantras, at the present time you and your ilk are probably the greatest disincentive to me ever voting Labor again.  To be frank who would ever want to associate with a group that had you as their advocate.

    • Babylon says:

      03:01pm | 24/09/12

      I love this ....... hard core Gillard Government lovers like Acotrel, sworn in Labor Party die hards ......  showing Christian, Jewish and Islamic voters the contempt the socialists have for Religion in Australia!

      After all did not the God of the Atheist Socialist say ‘Religion is the Opiate of the people’ and must be destroyed.

      Note please before the next election how this Governments followers will hammer away at your beliefs and mock what you hold sacred.

      Post away please Acotrel!!  Post like you’ve never posted before.

      The LNP needs YOU!

    • Babylon says:

      03:07pm | 24/09/12

      The Gillard Government thinks democracy is assured through:

      1600 strong PR army telling the media the news to tell you at a cost of $150 million.

      A $10 million army watching YOU watching them.

      The Roxon Aussie public spy mission.

    • Carol says:

      04:41pm | 24/09/12

      Acotrel,

      You aren’t really aligning “the holy Roman Catholic church”, with the Liberal party are you?
      The next step would be to align the Pope and Tony Abbott, to which I can only say God forgive.

    • TChong says:

      07:01am | 24/09/12

      Dear Conservative Punchers ( may your gods bless you)
      How do you explain this ?
      The Liberal party riven by factions , just the same as the ALP.
      But the Libs are factionless, one big happy family, everyone thinks the same.
      Isnt that so ?
      I expect the usual people will post the usual non sense about Farr being a Labor stooge., - shooting the messenger because the message isnt the fairy story ( factionless, and broad church) that the party machine so heavily promotes..

    • marley says:

      07:52am | 24/09/12

      Both parties are faction-ridden, to the detriment of each.  More than high time that Australian political parties democratised themselves, and allowed the membership, not the factions, to choose candidates and, yes, the party leaders.  If all the members have a voice, the power of the party hacks in the backroom is, if not eliminated, at least greatly reduced.

      At the moment, in terms of their internal functions, I see nothing to choose between the majors.  As for the Greens, their secrecy is not a good omen for open government.

    • Babylon says:

      08:10am | 24/09/12

      Easy to explain ... Leftie smear campaign.

      $150 million a year on a 1600 media PR Leftie army to control Aussie thought…. This piece is not value for money is it?

    • dovif says:

      08:10am | 24/09/12

      What factions? This is about locals wanting a say in who get elected and whether front office should have more power or the Locals

      Unlike the ALP, it is not about which Union gets the most out of the gravy train, or whether Obeid can get the jump start on mining leases, or MacDonald can get the free car.

    • acotrel says:

      08:24am | 24/09/12

      @marley
      I’m a bit worried about you.  If we have more democracy, doesn’t that mean we have less control and need more faith in people ? Perhaps we need to concentrate more on indoctrinating the populace ?

    • Alfie says:

      08:25am | 24/09/12

      While you Labor stooges might be wishing the coalition is in some sort of disarray and preoccupied with infighting, the fact is, this is all just part of the political process. They are just sorting the troops for the main assult.

      Sorry to tell you Chongy: Its a just a storm in a tea cup - nothing to see here…move on.

    • acotrel says:

      09:00am | 24/09/12

      @Alfie
      ‘They are just sorting the troops for the main assult.’

      Under Abbott’s leadership ?
      Pity the assault won’t involve punching walls next to their opponents heads !

    • bailey says:

      09:06am | 24/09/12

      babble-on I thought I heard you say it was 16,000 PR people worth 1,6 billion.
      Come on, you can do better that that. Make up bigger numbers, go for it.
      You have no credibility, you have nothing to lose.

      Can we have an update on Whyalla?
      Has it been wiped off the map yet?

    • Freeman says:

      09:12am | 24/09/12

      TChong says;

      “But the Libs are factionless, one big happy family, everyone thinks the same”

      No, They still have (or had) creeps and sheep in wolves clothing such and Slipper and Turnbull. They’re just far more disciplined than the ALP.

    • Chris L says:

      09:45am | 24/09/12

      “the fact is, this is all just part of the political process” - So are leadership spills, but that doesn’t mean people won’t make an issue out of it.

    • acotrel says:

      10:08am | 24/09/12

      @ChrisL
      ‘“the fact is, this is all just part of the political process” - So are leadership spills, but that doesn’t mean people won’t make an issue out of it. ‘

      The LNP are STILL saying that Rudd is about to challenge Gillard.  The issue was long gone, buried and clearly over with ages ago.  The thing is that the current issue has very large ramifications for our future.  If Abbott gets up the asylum seeker boat traffic could become two way.
      You might think he is alright but to many of us the thought is appalling.

    • TimB says:

      10:24am | 24/09/12

      “If Abbott gets up the asylum seeker boat traffic could become two way.
      You might think he is alright but to many of us the thought is appalling. “

      You cannot be serious.

      I know there’s some elements of the left that are a little confused as to what a *real* asylum seeker looks like, but surely no-one else is silly enough to think that not liking the elected leader of your country is enough to qualify one as an asylum seeker…

    • Rose says:

      10:24am | 24/09/12

      Freeman, any discipline in either party is only as strong as the latest opinion polls. One whiff of being pushed to Opposition benches, or of being left of Opposition benches and the troops get restless. If there is any chance that a politician of any colour sees personal benefit in stabbing a colleague in the back, they start sharpening the knives.
      Only those in complete denial of how ugly politics really is believe that their side are somehow above all the power games.

    • TChong says:

      10:33am | 24/09/12

      alfie
      Storm in a tea cup
      yur probaly right.
      its just thst varios factions of the Libs, and the judicary disagree with us..
      Dovif
      factions are factions- regardless of their origin.
      Babylon - Leftie smear campaign ? Paul Sheehan ( very Conservative Firfax scribe,) hardly a Lefty, also is calling out the Libs on this.

    • Mouse says:

      10:46am | 24/09/12

      but acotrel, has anyone told KRudd that the gillard challenge was long gone, buried and clearly over with ages ago?  Now with Carr after his Security Council place, KRudd must be resteless again, don’t you think!
      lol   :o)

    • vox says:

      11:31am | 24/09/12

      Is it possible that, given the remarkable similarity of their postings, that Joan and TimB are one and the same person? Or perhaps they both receive their instructions from the same Libstooge.
      Reading Timmy’s little non-related asylum seeker reply to unwritten words made me aware of how low the Libs are even in their own fan base, NSW. Nothing to say, so they invent.
      Timmy, you didn’t bother explaining why a bloke with the support base of Abbott, ( a few points south of bugger-all), could possibly be made P.M. of this Nation. Don’t you understand that a poll the other day had the Govt and the Coalition 50/50, yet only about 50% of the Coalition’s 50% want Abbott. Half of their own don’t want him. This was graphically illustrated in the poll between he and Turnbull. If Abbott hadn’t voted for himself he would be where he belongs—on the back bench with his mate, Bernardi.                                                              Joan, you must get out more. Rudd was the people’s P.M.? When did “the people” ever elect a P.M. The Party Joan, the Party.                And I do wish you would stop reading TimB and babble-on, and Dash, and Alfie the political wizard. They are turning you into a whinger like them.
      And I was wrong to suggest that you and Timmy were the same person, but you must admit he is catching up.

    • Mattb says:

      12:04pm | 24/09/12

      I’m gonna have to go into bat for TimB here vox, he may be from the right but he’s no Joan. Joan beleives that the children, and their parents to an extent, are responsible for children being molested at the hands of catholic priests, its not the fault of the priests -

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/the-catholic-church-should-embrace-a-royal-commission/desc/

      see about three quarters the way down. right wing, catholic loonacy at its finest!

      Timmy’s a conservative but hes alot closer to the centre than Joan and a few others here.

    • Mattb says:

      12:15pm | 24/09/12

      And here we have yet another example of the disgusting thought process of your average right winger. conservative independant mr philip pocock who’s running for election in the up and comming ACT elections.

      this conservative politician beleives gays should be locked up and discrimination against them should be a ‘right’

      This disgraceful excuse for a human being is the only thing that should be locked up..

    • TimB says:

      01:09pm | 24/09/12

      Thanks Matt wink .

      Poor Vox McHolden G Palone is just upset because I’ve pegged three of his previous alter-egos and is making a laughable attempt to turn my own accusations against me.

      Go right ahead Vox. Check with the Punch staff, ask them to run any test you care to name- Email addresses, IP checks, the works. You won’t find anything.

      But I’d bet good money that similar checks on you would hit paydirt.

    • Heth says:

      01:43pm | 24/09/12

      @vox, Interesting point about the poll, but have you noticed that Gillard does better when she is away from public scrutiny, as soon as she gets back and opens her mouth things will return to normal.

    • Badrinath says:

      03:28pm | 24/09/12

      Alfie and Babylon,

      as always, you both are priceless. All the aggressive logic and rationalisation in the world when pulling apart the enemy, but no ability whatsoever to turn a self reflective eye upon your own. Valuable contribution.

    • Alfie says:

      03:56pm | 24/09/12

      “This disgraceful excuse for a human being is the only thing that should be locked up.”

      Another example of the disgusting thought process of your average left winger. Freedom of speech should be outlawed.

    • Babylon says:

      06:48pm | 24/09/12

      Hey! On the way out from meetings in Melbourne today I passed by Biil Shorten’s Pie shop.

      The one where he went bananas at a chinese lady because she did not have pies available in the warmer, only microwave ones.

      Called in to see the lady, she had a few pies left in the warmer.

      I asked her if Shorten had been in recently, she just waved her hand and laughed.

      I was tempted to buy all the pies but that would have been a dirty trick.

    • Joan says:

      07:39am | 24/09/12

      Who cares about Liberal branch issues., all they have to do is provide a quality candidate.
      If Rudd had led the election in 2010 then we would not have this corny minority government led by a backstabbing, liar for PM now.
      If`s an illusion and what might have been if   this or that happened back in 2010 is irrelevant.. We continue to suffer day after day as a result of Labor faceless men and Gillard overnight knifing of peoples PM Rudd. - the real ` tactical thermo-nuclear devices`  detonated by Gillard with Australia and people still suffering today .

    • GusKrik says:

      08:20am | 24/09/12

      And we suffer the lies and rantings of Abbott who stabbed Turnbull in the back and only won leadership by one vote. And Slipper is not longer there to be Tony’s best friend and supporter after Tony turned on him when it became politically expedient to do so,
      Gillard won by an overwhelming majority.

    • Rose says:

      08:27am | 24/09/12

      Every one should care about the branch issues of both parties, it is at the heart of the type of government we end up with. When quality local candidates are overlooked in favour of power broker’s pawns, the only people well served are the power brokers.
      Both parties should allow the branches to vote on their own candidates, and if the power brokers want to slot in high profile candidates or their own people, let them win a ballot among the members in their electorate before they can be pre-selected. Both parties should get back to basics, democratic election of candidates and the end of the spin doctor and dirt unit circus that elections have become.

    • acotrel says:

      08:34am | 24/09/12

      Why are LNP supporters so paranoid about Malcolm Turnbull?  He isn’t a leftie, he is a silvertail capitalist who actually thinks about what he is doing.  Because he is part of the LNP, he will always cop flak from me, but at least he has a head on his shoulders.

    • Joan says:

      08:54am | 24/09/12

      Turnbull was a big flop - his Godwin Grech laughable moment and all the way with Rudd on ETS call - clearly demonstrated his pathetic political abilties. Turnbull was not peoples PM of Australia , Turnbull replaced Nelson , Turnbull replaced by Abbott .- no back stabbing tthere.  I do believe Gillard headhunted the disreputable Slipper to secure her job.

    • Alfie says:

      09:12am | 24/09/12

      @GusKrik

      “... Abbott who stabbed Turnbull in the back.”

      Nup…it was fair in the chest. Up front and democratic (ie. the Liberal way).

    • The Right to Choice says:

      10:35am | 24/09/12

      I giggle at all the whacko’s who still harp on about how Gillard knifed Rudd in the back…. well if that was such an outrageous thing in the eyes of the Australian voting public then please tell me why even after the instability Rudd caused during to the election campaign the rascally rAbbott didn’t just march on into the lodge. You could also say it is Rudd’s fault if he had of behaved and sat in the corner and took his parties rejection of him like a man and not like a Joan. Then we would not have this corny minority government…. But then again any excuse for a liberal to dribble drivel…. but no typical Liberals always blame someone else… kinda like Howard…. the barrel O’Farrel and Can’t Do Newman and that other funny lil chap from the south.

    • Babylon says:

      03:24pm | 24/09/12

      Anyone know how the 3 Emerson’s kids are getting along in a single parent family?

      How is the Ms Emerson, has she recovered from having her self esteem smashed to pieces?

      The Age reported.. “Ms Emerson… apparently learned that Julia and Craig were an item when hubby said he wanted a divorce. “

      It upsets me to think of Ms Emerson so busy providing a stable and well run home, like so many Australian housewives, while her husband is getting ‘fished out of a net.’

    • Joan says:

      05:29pm | 24/09/12

      JMCC- I`m the demise of Australian politics? Pull the other one - my name won’t be in history books no siree it will be Gillard and her faceless men and the overnight coup Australia did not deserve. As for Summers opinion - I don’t give a hoot - it is just an opinion.  I`m looking forward to Maxine McKew book on the overnight coup by Gillard- now that should be a good read and will go down in history. Sunmer opinion pulp like the rest of opinion pieces. My vote as important as Summers .

    • Mick S says:

      07:50am | 24/09/12

      Oh dear.
      I hope this doesn’t mean that the Liberals have faceless men.

    • acotrel says:

      09:09am | 24/09/12

      There is only one faceless man who really counts - George Pell.

    • marley says:

      10:16am | 24/09/12

      @acotrel - grow up. Most of the rest of the world got over sectarianism 50 years ago - around the time JFK was elected President of the US.

    • D. Nial says:

      10:41am | 24/09/12

      acotrel
      There is no such thing as a christian fundamentalist and they don’t primarily live in the deep north of Australia and the deep south of America,

      George Pell prefers to stay out of politics. He is more interested in what women can and can’t do with their bodies.

    • Achmed says:

      07:58am | 24/09/12

      There are two things here;
      1. The Liberals are showing a lot more “discipline” in not airing their dirty laundry in the media in the same manner as Labor.
      2. The Liberals are keeping all the turmoil within the party a secret from the voters to deceive the voters that they are a stable party and there is no in-fighting etc.
      Fail on both counts.  For all their in-fighting Labor have not needed the Supreme Court to sort it out.

    • iansand says:

      08:34am | 24/09/12

      The reasons that the ALP have not gone to the Supreme Court are:
      1 They didn’t think of it; and
      2 They adhere to the old Painters and Dockers slogan “We catch and kill our own” (in the P&D case, literally).

    • acotrel says:

      08:36am | 24/09/12

      John Howard said that ‘Julia Gillard has no authority’.  Perhaps you need a lot of that in the Liberal Party ?

    • Joan says:

      08:38am | 24/09/12

      The Labor Faceless men organised, union supported (Howes),  coup,  the overnight knifing of peoples PM Rudd by Gillard more detrimental to Australian government than any branch argument settled in court.

    • acotrel says:

      09:04am | 24/09/12

      @joan
      You must be one of those people who were so concerned about asylum seekers drowning on their way to Australia.  ‘Rudd knifed in the back’ ? -  More crocodile tears from an ideologue !

    • nihonin says:

      09:29am | 24/09/12

      acotrel says:

      09:04am | 24/09/12

      @joan
      You must be one of those people who were so concerned about asylum seekers drowning on their way to Australia.


      All I could do was lol at this comment by acotrel, think about all those who have drowned since 2008.

    • Achmed says:

      06:19pm | 24/09/12

      @nihomin…I also think about those who drowned prior to 2007 while Howard was the puppet master

    • Rose says:

      08:20am | 24/09/12

      The truth is that, despite protests by the Conservatives that they are different, both parties are controlled by factions and power hungry ‘faceless men’. The problem is that politics is more about getting and retaining power than it is about good governance for most of the key players on both sides. I have no doubt that there are some in Canberra who genuinely want to ‘make a difference, but the power games have definitely become the priority for most.

    • daniel says:

      09:08am | 24/09/12

      I think the real difference is that despite both parties being controlled by factions and faceless men. However, in the LNP compared to the ALP, if you’ve got a problem with the faceless men and factions it appears you can take them to court.

    • nihonin says:

      09:31am | 24/09/12

      ‘However, in the LNP compared to the ALP, if you’ve got a problem with the faceless men and factions it appears you can take them to court.’

      Whereas with the Labor party, your just kicked out if you fail to comply and be assimilated.  Fair and democratic like.

    • JoniM says:

      10:58am | 24/09/12

      “Whereas with the Labor party, your just kicked out if you fail to comply and be assimilated.  Fair and democratic like.’

      Then you join the Greens or espouse the wonders of being an Independent !

    • Rose says:

      12:06pm | 24/09/12

      JoniM, that happens on both sides. You are all kidding ourselves if you think the Coalition is any less bloodthirsty than the ALP.

    • nihonin says:

      01:56pm | 24/09/12

      I don’t doubt it Rose, but at the moment, Labor luvvies bite so much better, even at the crappiest bait.  There’s no point biting, if their ‘club’ was doing so well, but when they do, it proves they are panicked some what.

    • Rose says:

      03:23pm | 24/09/12

      I don’t know about that nihonin, the polls are getting closer and both sides are now jumping at shadows smile

    • Joan Bennett says:

      08:34am | 24/09/12

      What I want to know is how do journalists know this stuff?  If the parties are supposed to be keeping a lid on things, how come a journalist who will broadcast it to the nation is being told?

    • Rose says:

      09:05am | 24/09/12

      Der….it went to Court!! That and, with power plays the main game, there is always some one prepared to sell out their own side if they see personal benefit in discrediting some one in their team or their team in general.

    • acotrel says:

      09:07am | 24/09/12

      If you are inside an organisation and want change, you can plead with the leader and his friends, or you can spill the beans and let the onlookers and customers deal with it.

    • NigelC says:

      09:12am | 24/09/12

      Because hearings in the Supreme Court are open to the public which means that all the evidence tendered is also on the public record.

    • tez says:

      09:56am | 24/09/12

      Journalists have to play nice with the political parties or they wont get the inside word on the goings ons so you will mostly just get the stuff they want you to get .

    • Dan says:

      01:31pm | 24/09/12

      Because someone told Farr. Probably on the far-right of the Party, and probably within TA’s own office. And certainly the same person who told Paul Sheehan, and is keeping the rest of the press gallery in the loop.

      Sometimes a big kerfuffle helps move things along. The Liberal Right wants to open up pre-selections to plebiscites, as they think it’ll help their smaller faction stand more of a chance. They’re trying to paint the moderates as dodgier in the eyes of the public, against transparency, and embarrass them into accepting the new system.

      While it may not sound like it, sometimes keeping power centralised is a good thing. Voting party members don’t always get it right - look at how the Tea Party consumed the Republicans in the US.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      08:53am | 24/09/12

      Here in NSW there is a faction within the Liberal Party known as the “Uglies” who push a far right agenda that has nothing to do with Liberalism. They include Christian fundamentalists, climate change deniers and xenophobes opposed to asylum seekers. They engage in branch stackings and intimidation of party members they perceive as “wet”, and they seem to be growing in numbers.
      While the influence of staffers and union “apparatchiks” in the ALP has been well documented in the press, it is high time similar attention was paid to the “faceless men” of the Liberal Party.

    • Agar says:

      10:12am | 24/09/12

      Sounds a bit like teabaggers in the U.S.

      How far to the right will Abbott go to appease these fringe dwellers.
      He doesn’t have much room to move what with being up against it already.

    • Ras Putin says:

      11:00am | 24/09/12

      It looks to me that far right catholics- the old DLP- are taking control of the coalition parties!!  It seems to be more advanced in NSW,but is occurring all over,much to the chagrin of liberal minded people..  Bernardi types are far too extreme!

    • nihonin says:

      11:33am | 24/09/12

      acotrel, are you hitting the Ras(berry cordial) Putin.

    • Ras Putin says:

      11:50am | 24/09/12

      Dear Nihonin- sometimes many people think alike on certain issues,and i can assure you that this is one of them!  I know Acotrel as well as i know you; that is i do not…..

    • nihonin says:

      01:58pm | 24/09/12

      Ok Ras Putin, I believe you, really I do.  wink

    • Nobody Cares says:

      09:13am | 24/09/12

      “All this has erupted with little public notice because…”

      ... because nobody cares. Much like the internal struggles of the Labor party, I’m certain politi-files read with intent (and already know the ins and outs of what’s going on). Everyone else just doesn’t care.

    • Rose says:

      10:29am | 24/09/12

      “All this has erupted with little public notice because…” The Libs thought the next election was a done deal, now that it looks like there is going to be a real fight on their hands they will let the united facade slip, that is the way it is for both parties. There is only ever unity until it’s really needed!

    • AdamC says:

      09:29am | 24/09/12

      It would appear that the Liberals in NSW need to reform their party organisation a little. However, all party organisations have to balance grass-roots democracy with some kind of order and discipline from the top. The underlying issue in NSW for some time has been a schsim between the Christian conservative wing of the party and everyone else. That is possibly not desirable, but at least the differences are based on ideas and convictions, rather than mere personalities and powe plays.

    • Chris says:

      09:33am | 24/09/12

      It is not a simple matter of local party members deciding who they want to put up as a candidate but also whether that person will be a useful member of parliament - which is about more than being a nice guy/gal and representing the electorate. If that was all it took it would be simple.
      Of course, for the ALP, it is simple. They are controlled by the union movement - the unrepresentative body which believes it has the absolute right to run the country.

    • Rose says:

      10:42am | 24/09/12

      History tells us that some of the most successful politicians (in terms of the good they did, not their length of service or party ranking) are those who came up the ranks and worked normal jobs and cut their teeth in the branches. Career politicians have a use, but it is important that they are balanced by those who started on the shop floor and learnt by observation of the world around them.

    • David T says:

      11:37am | 24/09/12

      So it’s all right for the unions to run the country Rose? Those people who learn bullying tactics rather than diplomacy on the shop floor?
      I agree it is better if people have worked in other areas first but I very much doubt that unionists make the best politicians. What we need are people from a wide range of professions and other experience. We don’t get that. We get lawyers and unionists - or lawyers and farmers because the best and brightest minds in the country simply do not want to join the rabble that makes up both sides of politics.

    • Rose says:

      12:02pm | 24/09/12

      Being in a union certainly doesn’t discount anyone from being a good Parliamentarian, I suppose that all depends on the role they played in the union, whether they were fighting for the co-workers or whether they were seduced by the power plays. You do understand that unions do cover “people from a wide range of professions and other experience.”
      What we need, on both sides, is people who genuinely want to do what’s right for Australians, I’m suggesting that, on both sides of the debate, that there are few politicians for whom that is true. We need the lawyers and career politicians in Parliament, there are so many legal and Constitutional hoops to jump through that we need those who know that score. We also need people who have worked their way up through the ranks of small business, the public service, unions, bigger business, service industries, health and education etc etc etc. Mostly we need these people to have the right motivations unlike those in Parliament at present who seem only motivated by what they themselves can get.

    • kfr says:

      09:42am | 24/09/12

      A slow news day for malcolm, this item is just plain terrible and irrelavent. Trying to beat up something that has little interest for most of us average punters and an insight to the canberra press gallery. boring!

    • Tropical says:

      10:18am | 24/09/12

      Just another AbbottAbbottAbott rant. And onesiders yesterday really conmfirmed that Farr is just another lefty Labor supporter,begging to come out.
      And to save boring us to death why dont acotroll and Farr just exchange emails all day and the rest of us can get on with having a reasoned discussion minus the AbbottAbbottAbbbot rants.

    • Alfie says:

      10:28am | 24/09/12

      “Onesiders” roflmao

    • millane says:

      11:17am | 24/09/12

      “... reasoned discussion”... now that has made my day

    • Andy of Sydney says:

      10:19am | 24/09/12

      I see that Malcolm is up to his old AbbottAbbottAbbott thing. Must be Monday!

    • JoniM says:

      11:09am | 24/09/12

      Yep !
      As clockwork as night follows day !
      Monday Abbott rants by Mal & Q&A !

    • Blind Freddy says:

      04:25pm | 24/09/12

      Yeah. Lets not scrutinise the (possibly) next PM of Australia. Lets just give him the job and worry about who he is when its too late.

    • Dicky Dodd says:

      11:21am | 24/09/12

      Only someone with two brain cells would vote for Tony Abbott.

    • Three Brains Cells says:

      11:39am | 24/09/12

      And only someone with one or less, votes Labor or Greens.

    • Alfie says:

      04:20pm | 24/09/12

      Dicky Dodd has one brain cell.

    • Bazza the Oracle says:

      12:20pm | 24/09/12

      Is this sort of dribble wasting newpapers on. How about takling our massive, and growing debt. Where are these billions for fuzzy lovey dreams 5 years in the future coming from. Why did we just bring 180 bludgers all the way from Indonesia yesterday?Why are we still taking Sri lankan refugees over 12months ago the UN declared they are no longer refugees? How much will the biggest Carbon Tax in the world reduce immisions world wide we only contribute 1.8% anyway?How are the 26 super clinics going?Where’s the reporting on real issues. This article is crap

    • Inisider says:

      01:51pm | 24/09/12

      Everyone on the inside knows this is nothing more than a bunch of misogynist nutjobs who hate the fact that a local female was selected for the electorate.

    • Plenty says:

      03:28pm | 24/09/12

      Speaking of brains cells and Abbott

      How out of touch is this idiot?
      “Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says Prime Minister Julia Gillard should not be “swanning” around in New York “talking to Africans” , rather she should be in Jakarta talking to the Indonesian head of state about border security – despite the fact President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono arrived in New York for the United Nations summit yesterday.”

      What a tool!!!!!

    • Mark says:

      03:34pm | 24/09/12

      Hey Malcolm, how about the $200 billion in debt Labor has racked up in their five years in office huh? What an achievement! No debt in 2007, now $200 billion plus despite record revenues from a mining boom. Wow, Go Julia! I always wanted to be like Greece!

    • Red Ted says:

      04:31pm | 24/09/12

      I’m glad Gillard shafted Rudd as he was a dud and the same can be said of her. Both of them with the rest of the rainbow coalition are all going down the tube big time next election.Ha Ha Ha.

    • Sd says:

      06:57pm | 24/09/12

      If the regular self pitying gaggle here think they represent “poor Australia” under gillard then it deserves everything it gets.

    • Babylon says:

      07:22pm | 24/09/12

      The ALP unions are always at war. The “ALP Union Compact”, attempted to marry the far left and far right of the Labor Party.

      The previous “stability deal” only suited the bulk of the other socialist left factions.

      But the Right socialists in the National Union of Workers increased their powers to influence preselections and protect their members in parliament through the ALP Union Compact.

      ALP factions continue to jostle for power through battle for the precious preselections, especially the Labor Unity and Socialist Left factions.

      Senior Labor Party members are constantly worrying about the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union and the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union giving their preselection votes to the far right of the factional divide.

      The reason why they do this is because they want to get control of big projects. The the 900 construction jobs on the $3.1 billion Wonthaggi desalination plant had an ALP internal war behind it.

      The CFMEU, one of the most militant unions in the country, were in a bitter battle with the Australian Workers Union over who should get the lion’s share of the jobs. The NUW tried to deliver many of those Wonthaggi jobs to the CFMEU through its senior representatives in parliament. And so the war raged.

      An added complication was Mr Mr Brumby, Vic Premier, was not affiliated with the NUW, but belongs to the part of the Labor Unity faction that struck the “stability deal”. LOL! Bun fight anyone?

      Senior members of the ALP were trying to hold the piece as usual with Big projects using the “ALP Union Compact”. ALP Seniors offered the CFMEU the “above ground” jobs, which was the bulk of plant construction, while the AWU got the pipe that brings the water in from the sea. so much for the Tender process I hear you say.

      Imagine the background war over the Olympic Dam!

      The ALP moves forward through infighting between the CFMEU, AMWU and NUW.

      So it’s rich indeed that any Leftie would attack the LNP on the grounds that it was fractious.

 

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