My Southern Cross tattoo now brands me as a racist

Louis McLennan says:

06:27am | 04/02/10

It’s alright. Most people can’t define racism.

Miguel says:

09:46am | 04/02/10

Wow! So much ink-hate on this blog.
While I don’t have any tattoos, I don’t find them necessarily a symbol of boganess, “low self image,” or a “tramp stamp.”
The image of the southern cross now being associated as a symbol of racism in Australia is extremely unfortunate, as I associate with the the cross as an englishman would with St. Georges Cross, or a Candian with the Maple leaf; a sympbol of love for, and pride of ones country.
Nothing wrong with that.
Lets not get swept up in media hype and

Ben H says:

12:04pm | 04/02/10

What about the Indian man who burnt himself while setting his own car on fire in an insurance job? He went to the police and blamed it on ‘Aussie racists’. The Indian media were all over this as if it were actually a legitimate story! Typical media! He’s now been charged (making a false report to police and criminal damage with intent to profit). Funny how Aussies get blamed for everything!

Rod says:

01:32pm | 04/02/10

I see a tattoo I think less of a person regardless of what it is. To put it on your neck ......

Bill says:

06:46am | 04/02/10

No the Media portrayal of what constitues a racist in this country, brands you as a racist.  I suppose as a ‘curious journo’ you only have yourself to blame.

Jess says:

11:04am | 04/02/10

You know, some of you people have almost convinced me to get one with your criticism of it! It cracks me up that people are associating it with racism and judgement, which is exactly what you are doing yourselves, judging!
I am not a bogan. I am not a red neck. I’m well educated. Had a good up bringing in a pretty normal family, dad a farmer, mum a teacher. I have been to a dozen b&s balls, but don’t judge til you have been to one yourselves.
My husband and I have talked about this many times, and a Southern Cross, the Australian flag, a boxing kangaroo, are the only tattoo’s I would ever consider getting, and even then I’m probably too scared to actually get one, or it would be the size of a 5c piece somewhere nobody would ever see it. But those symbols I associate with Australia. I don’t care what someone else associates with them, I’m not tattooing it on their body so why should they care. Why does it have to be a sign of bigotry, or deemed racist, can’t it just mean I’m proud of my country. Same way I kept my surname when I got married, not because I’m racist toward my husbands name, but because I’m proud of my family name and that’s who I have always been and always will be.
I just wish there were more people proud of this country, proud to say it, in whatever form they want. That’s not to say if you don’t have a tattoo you are un-Australian or aren’t proud, but don’t judge those that chose a tattoo as their way of saying it. If they choose to get a tattoo of an orange because they are proud of being from the riverland, that’s their prerogative. Why is it that all these other countries are so outwardly proud, but the minute an Australian tries to be, we are automatically branded bogans by our own. Geez, who are the real racists!
Monique - be proud of your tattoo, you know why you got it, don’t let others tell you how you should feel about it.

ramble on says:

12:46pm | 04/02/10

I have the grim reaper tattooed on my arm and got it a few years before the wonderful ad for aids was released where the grim reaper bowls down a family at the local ten pin arcade…. I thought it was hilarious some of the looks I got. You got it for reasons you’re happy with. Why give a flying f**k what others think. If someone passes judgement of me because of my tattoos then they’re not someone I’d like to be associated with anyway.

Wayne says:

09:19am | 04/02/10

Great reply Nigel. Totally agree.

Doug says:

09:48am | 04/02/10

Nigel, I’d add something to this but you’ve summed it up perfectly.

Vikingmac says:

11:35am | 04/02/10

Nigel, what then do you say to fellow soldiers who show patriotism through action and Ink or in other ways? Are these things really mutually exclusive?  Is your uniform not also a visible statement of your patriotism? Why is a tattoo something to be ridiculed all of a sudden?

Sage says:

12:41pm | 04/02/10

I dont see it like that at all. I see if for patriotism.

desi says:

06:55pm | 04/02/10

i wonder if there’s a way to alter/add to the SC design to reflect a love of our multicultural nature?

i admit that you shouldn’t have to, people shouldn’t attatch negative associations to symbols like this, but it might be a way to make you proud of the tattoo again.

jono says:

07:00am | 04/02/10

Regretting a tattoo on your neck? Who would have thought?

Alex says:

07:16am | 04/02/10

The Southern Cross constellation is hardly quintessentially “Australian” - it can be seen from numerous nations. I think you’ll find there was no time when having that tattoo was NOT a Bogan-pride symbol - and you are far too young to suggest otherwise.

AFR says:

08:15am | 04/02/10

You chose to get your tramp stamp - now you have to deal with the consequences.

PaulaH says:

03:21pm | 04/02/10

“Go to a centrelink office and 85% of the line up is immigrants. .... ”  Amusing. Immigrants are taxpayers too. Theyre probably just more visible to the likes of you.

Hate Racism says:

01:21pm | 04/02/10

Spot on post mate!  I feel exactly the same way when I see the tattoo, or the d**ks in their hotted up utes (often with Australian flag in the rear window).  I always laughed in shock at the “southern” red necks in the USA with their unashamed display of the union flag - I still can’t believe so many Aussies are now the same.  When did this start happening?  Probably since the younger generation these days stopped being disciplined. W**kers!

James says:

08:23am | 04/02/10

You’re an idiot for getting a tattoo, especially on your neck. To me, a Southern Cross is no more or less silly than, say, some Chinese characters on someone who has no idea what they really mean but is “like, into Buddhism, ‘cuz it’s, spiritual, you know?” ... it just means you can’t express deep thoughts with words, but only primitive tribal ideas with similarly primitive markings.

JT says:

10:14am | 04/02/10

To those that assume tattoos are only for “uneducated bogans”, I, and many people I associate with are professionals with tattoos. I have one full sleeve, however, being a solicitor, cover them for work. I am also involved and respected in my local community, respected for who I am, not for superficial assumptions about something that is only skin deep. And sometimes the funniest aspect of being heavily tattooed is freaking out the squares who stereotype others based on looks!

Mike says:

11:47am | 04/02/10

Tattoos are lame anyway… Aside from that, what I despise most is patriotism and nationalism of any kind. Because, a country is just a piece of land, it is empty of any inherent existence so where is the reason for it. Nationalism is a belief in a collective ego that does not even exist except in the minds of people: the “ego,” “soul,” or “identity” of a nation. To be patriotic is to believe that a giant chunk of rock has an “essential essence” that will be lost if different cultures live on it. Such a definition is absurd and logically unsound in itself

Eric says:

08:36am | 04/02/10

Bill is correct. This whole “racist” nonsense is a media beat-up. Now it’s come back to bite you personally, and Australians in general with the anti-Aus campaign in India.

Yours is a self-inflicted wound.

Old Clive ex-navy says:

08:44am | 04/02/10

Pier group pressure, low self image, many other reasons for getting tatoos, none of them can justify marking yourself for life or drawing attention to yourself. Of course if you want 666 on your forehead go ahead go ahead and do it . We do have freedom of choice at the moment. But for how long that is the question. Total control is imminent, just look at you know who.

Constructive criticism says:

09:42am | 04/02/10

Punctuation & spelling?

Did you ever consider that she got that tattoo simply because she wanted to? You are entitled to do whatever you like to your own body regardless of somebody else’s disapproval.

Toady says:

10:42am | 04/02/10

‘Pier group pressure’?  My suggestion is - don’t go hang out on any piers if you can’t handle the pressure!!!

Dr Evil says:

09:03am | 04/02/10

Why don’t you have it “removed” with a giant “laser”?

How oironical says:

09:09am | 04/02/10

Southern Cross tattoos denote the wearer as a moron that thinks they were engaging in nationalistic pride by wearing the pattern of a constellation that is visible from every country in the southern hemisphere and adorns the flag of a few countries.

Are you an Aussie or a Kiwi?

Steve Smith says:

09:19am | 04/02/10

Shouldn’t it only matter to the person who has the tattoo, what the meaning is? Its common for symbols be perceived differently over time, I know many good blokes with the southern cross tattoo and I can’t label one a racist.

In the end it’s easy for the media and the mainstream viewers/readers to make generalisations, and just the way it is. I’m sure there are people out there who can dissect what they read and form their own opinions.. surely.

anon says:

09:21am | 04/02/10

stop bashing indians then ya’ redneck!

Rod J'That says:

06:37pm | 04/02/10

If I can hang on to a girlfriend long enough I’m going to have at least two kids so I can call one ‘Southern’ and one ‘Cross’. If I have a third it will either be ‘Voss’ if it’s a boy, or ‘Matilda’ if it’s a girl. And please everyone DON’T STEAL MY IDEAS!!! I don’t want to finish up (like Monique with her tattoo) with kids with the same names as half the other kids in their classes.

David says:

10:08am | 04/02/10

Your mum was right you are trailer trash. Any women who gets tattoos are feral trailer trash trailer in heart trailer by nature.

Eddie says:

11:02am | 04/02/10

The only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is that tattooed people don’t care if your tattooed or not.

I work in IT, have several tattoos, some for over 20 years, I don’t regret any of them.

re says:

09:25am | 04/02/10

i feel like this was written by me. everything about it is exactly the same situation as where I am now. I cover mine up now, so people don’t think I am a closed minded, intolerant bogan.
i think your disclaimer idea is a good one, i might have to look into it haha.
good luck!

Brett says:

09:26am | 04/02/10

Journo’s, you make your own bed, now lie in it.

Hans says:

09:27am | 04/02/10

Bah, the swastika was not originally recognized for what we know it for today. Get over it.

Sherlock says:

09:28am | 04/02/10

Should have listened to your mother before you gt your “Mt Druitt Birthmark” Tattoos are for uneducated unemployed bogans and a southern cross tattoo is even worse than the ubiquitous “tramp stamp”. Want to disagree? OK but answer me this first.

What suburbs will have the highest percentage of tattooed residents?

Mosman or Macquarie Fields?
Penrith or Pymble?
Balmoral or Blacktown?

Doesn’t the answer tell you something

Nathan says:

09:54am | 04/02/10

I have a Southern Cross tattoo on my back fresh from 2004, again, well before symbol became the subject of so much conjecture.  Yes, I accept that the perception of this symbol is now grossly damaged but to many including Monique, it is a symbol of patriotism and love of Australia and the things that make Australia great.

On the “bogan” issue, just to put a spanner in some of your works, I’m a chartered accountant (employed professional), have 2 degrees (educated) and have never been in a fight, been arrested or passed out in a gutter.  Save your judgements.

Trev says:

09:29am | 04/02/10

You made the choice to get a tattoo. Now deal with the consequences.

NiceGuy says:

09:28am | 04/02/10

Content of the tattoo aside, you got a tattoo on your neck.. what did you expect people to think other than ‘bogan’?

Rollo says:

09:30am | 04/02/10

Your mother was right.

J says:

09:30am | 04/02/10

God, I can’t believe some of the responses here - already!

Monique, you know the reasons why you got your tattoo, and whatever anyone else thinks doesn’t matter. Anyone who narrowly judges you over a bit of body ink has way bigger issues.  It’s completely hypocritical for them to (incorrectly) call you a bogan or a white supremicist, and then think themselves superior to you because they haven’t been inked.

They don’t know your reasons.  Most of them don’t want to know your reasons - and that comes with being a narrow-minded twat.  Don’t justify your choice to anyone.

And wear your tatts with pride.

Now, let the flames begin!!

Pete says:

09:32am | 04/02/10

You poor deluded man Nigel, did being in the army affect your ability to say thank you as well? We put these symbols on our bodies to say thank you to every single person who makes an effort to make our country better. Not just military, but doctors, politicians, garbage collectors, bar staff, teachers, and anyone else who makes an effort to improve our standard of living. I do thank you for your commitment to this country, but also ask you to pull your head out of your backside, and remember that the work a cancer cell researcher does, is just as important as what you have done for us. As you are all Australian, I will proudly wear this mark on my body to say thank you.

mark says:

09:33am | 04/02/10

Strange enough, you can see the southern cross from the whole southern hemisphere. Hardly uniquely Australian. If our Kiwi neighbours start getting these tatts are they Aussies too? Maybe you should have got a kangaroo…

Rob Smith says:

09:35am | 04/02/10

Well aren’t you racist? I mean you throw the racist term “Red neck” around pretty easily.
“A disparaging   term that refers to a person who is stereotypically Caucasian and of lower social-economic status in the United States”.
Try and be more tolerant ok?

Tony says:

09:35am | 04/02/10

I object to your perjorative use of the term ‘nationalism’. I’m not racist, having visited many countries, adhered to their cultures as far as possible whilst there and welcomed tourists to our country as well. I also served this country in uniform. With all that said - I don’t want this place turned into an overpopulated ‘Delhi-of-the-South’ and certainly not into some Sharia-based outpost for Islam.  I’m not the only one who thinks like this and, whilst Australia remains a democracy, we ARE entitled to our opinions. I don’t badmouth you because you want to open the floodgates of immigration, nor should you badmouth me because I want them controlled. We are not all bogans.

bella starkey says:

10:52am | 04/02/10

you’re not a racist mate, you’re just a xenaphobe

D-Man says:

09:36am | 04/02/10

Whats racist about this.. Amercians hang a flag in there front yard as a a sign of being proud of there country.. why should we be called racist because we do the same but on our body..? People over look the whole picture of whats going on in this world.. more than 200,000 dead in haiti and where caring about some freakin ink on peoples arms.. get a life

Daniel Murphy says:

09:36am | 04/02/10

No one talk to each other and no one will be racist.  Everyone needs to stop being so precious.

Meeza says:

09:37am | 04/02/10

I have a southern cross too, and I feel the same. If I knew every 2nd person would have one when I got mine; I would’ve chosen something different…

Carmel says:

10:22am | 04/02/10

Same thing happened with the celtic armbands.

Scott says:

09:37am | 04/02/10

because she doesn’t have “1 million dollars”

Dzung Nguyen says:

09:40am | 04/02/10

People really need to relax these days and stop having this guilty complex. I’m Australian Asian and I, too, have the Southern Cross tattoo. Having a tattoo of the Southern Cross doesn’t mean we’re racist. Why is it ok for Indian women to wear the sari or the Muslim women to wear the hijab/burqua and not ok for some of us to have a tattoo? I’m sick of this double standards that’s happening. Seriously, couldn’t we all just get along. Life is too short. Enjoy it.

Angus says:

10:41am | 04/02/10

I agree with this article.  I wouldn’t be seen dead with the Australian flag or a southern cross tattoo.  Both are synomonous with bogan racist Australians who think if your night white and ocka your not a real Australian.  What these idiots don’t understand is that they aren’t any more Australian then new immigrants and they are certainly not better people.  I am ashamed of the racist country we have become.

Keeping Kosher Klansman says:

03:20pm | 04/02/10

There’s always the possibility of regret when getting a tattoo. Such Is Life. And Cuppa, I’m not sure you read the article either. If you define “do-gooders” as people who don’t opportunistically slag off minorities (even when the opportunity isn’t presenting itself) you’re a twit.

Luke says:

09:40am | 04/02/10

@ Isabel - Tattoos are not for Bogans only, my Aunty who is well over 60 has just had three tattoos to remember dogs she has loved like children, and i can tell you for one - she is no bogan. 
@ James - “people can’t express deep thoughts with words etc” - get over yourself mate.  I have two tattoos and yes one is a symbol, but that symbol is a core belief of mine and believe me, there are thoughts behind it, more deep then you would probably understand.
@Monique - be proud of what you have despite the social connatations behind the symbol.  You know why you got it and for what reasons - don’t let society or anyone else make you feel ashamed because of your patriotism.

Daz says:

09:42am | 04/02/10

Here’s an idea, get a new tattoo on your forehead. No-one will notice the one on your neck.

Bruce says:

09:43am | 04/02/10

Isn’t it funny how someone gets a tattoo for their own reasons, and then everyone else suddenly knows what is best for them, what it means, why they got it. If you got the tattoo as your way of expressing your patriotism, then good on you.
There is a sying that the only difference between people with tats and people without, is people with them don’t care if you don’t have them.
If people see it as a rasist symbol, then maybe they are the ones that need to look at their own values.
Everyone has their own path through life, some show their love of the country through military service, some become social workers or politicians to improve society, and the vast majority get on with life quietly, with some of them getting tattoos to show their patriotism.

Sadhbh Warren says:

09:44am | 04/02/10

So much tattoo hate here and it’s hardly mid-morning! Who knew the decision to decorate your own body makes it the property of everyone else to judge? What is it about the damned things that makes total strangers feel they have a right to stop and tell you how wrong you are?
(Oh, and AFR, a tramp stamp refers to a tattoo on the lower back and hips. If you are going to be judgemental, at least be informed.)

Anthony says:

09:43am | 04/02/10

The joke is on you nationalists, rednecks, racist, and cronulla riot jerks!

Just off the top of my head, here are other countries who have the southern cross on their flag, and from what I hear also get the southern cross tattoo: PNG, Samoa, Brazil, NZ

michael says:

09:44am | 04/02/10

a little forethought into say, what someone with an emerican flag tttooed on their neck is considered as, or perhaps what reactions/ judgment you would cast on someone with a kiwi tattooed on their neck? generally tattoo’s of a nationalistic nature tend to go down the path of redneck keepsakes; you really should have thought of this before you got it.

just get it covered up with a ford logo or maybe the bundy bear.

LL says:

09:44am | 04/02/10

Southern Cross tattoo on your neck?  Doesn’t that mean you’ve been in prison as well as being a redneck?

ntb says:

09:45am | 04/02/10

you dont need a tattoo or symbol to represent that you are an Australian. I was born in Vietnam and came to Australia 20 years ago. I am an Australian and I don’t think that ink makes you more Australian than anyone else. Problem is, people these days think that you need to get ink to be cool since all the AFL and sports stars have it - well good luck to you when you’re old.

Lew says:

09:47am | 04/02/10

Wear it with pride I DO.. it is the symbol of this great country and watches over us..

ben says:

09:47am | 04/02/10

What a curious non sequitur.

Watcher says:

09:48am | 04/02/10

Not withstanding the highjacking of a symbol by the (enter your favourite villanous identity) crowd, I still return to Australia from sojourns to the north and always look to the sky.  When I see the southern cross I feel grounded again.

I wonder if I would feel the same way if I was in Chile??  Probably not, at least not without the smell of eucalyptus.

I cringe when I see the flag being worn as a shawl, and that is only because I feel that the flag needs to be respected.  It saddens me to see the little plastic flags littering the road side, but not as much as seeing the full size draped over the shoulder of some drunken lad/ladette, or even worse being used as a rag to wipe away the vomit.

I also cringe when I see the Southern Cross on the back of the bogan crowds cars. 

Problem is that well intentioned symbolism can be highjacked…

I consider your thoughts a process of “Good men (and women) standing up, rather than allowing “evil” to prosper. 

Hopefully, speaking out will turn the tide.

mel says:

09:48am | 04/02/10

add a few more stars, to change it.  Or turn the stars into flowers, im sure some tattoist can change the appearance if it bothers u so much

Adam Daman says:

09:49am | 04/02/10

Ever notice how it’s only the bogans who get the Southern Cross tattoo?

Sadhbh says:

09:49am | 04/02/10

Nick, as the ad says - where the bloody hell were you?

Because I’ve seen that behaviour (adapted for the country in question, obviously) when I’ve lived in in Ireland, the UK and the USA, and I am sure some other countries that I haven’t lived in do it to.

wolf says:

09:50am | 04/02/10

Remember kids, a tatoo is for life - not just for christmas!

Sean says:

09:50am | 04/02/10

War the flag proudly. Dont be ashamed of what thousands of Australians died for. They did not die in order to protect the rights of a man to marry 5 wives and the need for woman to totally cover themselves in sheets with only a centimeter to peer out of.

The Cronulla Stand ( there was no riot as some groups would like you to believe) was thebest thing that hapned to Australia. It opened the topic to debate and stopped the harassment of girls on australian beaches by middle eastern males in at least 1 area where the locals had the courage to say enpugh is enugh.

Dopnt forget that night the middle eastern males went on a rampage stabbing and killing people and burnt the australian flag stolen from the Brighton le sands RSL club! Never forget why Cronulla happened and what the others did after it ( stab, kill and riot at brighton le sands and other areas)

Mark M Aldridge Independent says:

09:50am | 04/02/10

Funny stuff…...I consider my self to be a patriot, I have put forward my candidacy for over a decade now, in the hope of being an honest voice for my electorate, I have the traditional southern cross on my ankle with the words freedom and democracy. I am proud it is there?

Big mike says:

09:50am | 04/02/10

Completely agree with you here… it’s gotten to the point where if you don’t have a southern cross tat, then you’re “unaustralian”. And the ones that have the tat have the RIGHT to judge others, because they are the “true australians” and the true defenders of this country… They hide behind this self-awarded title and blame others for their lack of wealth, qualifications, intelligence, etc. etc.

Jo says:

09:50am | 04/02/10

I have 2 tattoos.  One is a butterfly, the other is some flowers.  Both are on hidden parts of my body.  I cannot understand why a seemingly intelligent and normal woman would want to have their national pride on display at all times?  I mean ALL times.  Did you not realise a tattoo is forever?  Did you not at least consider putting it on a more discreet part of your body?  Even at 18 I still managed the forethought to put my butterfly on a part that would be covered by clothing.  I’m sorry your intentions have been misconstrued, but honestly woman, you are nothing more than a victim of your own stupidity and short-sightedness.  As for the Southern Cross?  That symbol will never mean the same thing again.  It has gathered momentum and nothing will stop it from being a symbol of hate and intolerance now.

maria says:

09:50am | 04/02/10

Don’t feel bad and don’t hang ur head down in shame.

Im A muslim woman who wears hijab, One thing I know is that there are is that there are so so so many non judgmental beautiful people here on australia. It’s not your fault people act like idiots and commit hate crimes, It’s not your fault that there are many racist people. Hold your head up high and treat others the way you would like to be treated…. Stuff everybody else.

Anna says:

09:51am | 04/02/10

You could just say thank you, you know. Or even better, do something just as worthwhile.

clare says:

09:52am | 04/02/10

I personally find it really sad that Australians tend to turn any patriotism into something nasty. I’ve always been amazed at the pride that US citizens show for their country (and what negative views some people may have for that country are irrelevant here). Their national anthem is revered, not laughed at. National service is an honor not ‘someone else’s problem’. And a tattoo of the US flag does not automatically paint you as a bogan (redneck) racist. Why do we Australians allow the despicable attitudes of some to overwhelm our psyche? Why do we allow idiocy to win over our pride of place and country?

clare says:

09:52am | 04/02/10

I personally find it really sad that Australians tend to turn any patriotism into something nasty. I’ve always been amazed at the pride that US citizens show for their country (and what negative views some people may have for that country are irrelevant here). Their national anthem is revered, not laughed at. National service is an honor not ‘someone else’s problem’. And a tattoo of the US flag does not automatically paint you as a bogan (redneck) racist. Why do we Australians allow the despicable attitudes of some to overwhelm our psyche? Why do we allow idiocy to win over our pride of place and country?

Sadhbh says:

09:53am | 04/02/10

No, but the question tells me that, for someone who grew up with socio-economic privilege that you clearly don’t realise you have, you can’t spell very well.

SM says:

09:56am | 04/02/10

In the words of Bob Dylan:

“Patriotism is the last refuge
to which a scoundrel clings
Steal a little and they throw you in jail
steal a lot and they make you king”

Sweetheart Like You - 1983

Megs says:

09:58am | 04/02/10

Monique, I know how you feel.  A decade (or so) ago while living overseas I felt a strong urge to get a southern cross tattoo. (FYI - i also thought I was being very unique and clever in my choice)- heheh). I wanted to celebrate being Australian and how proud I was of my country. It never eventuated but was still something I wanted very much. The last couple of years have made me glad I never went ahead with it. That symbol would never have meant to me aussie ‘to the exclusion of all others’. To be honest I am so confused by Australia’s new found racism. I’ve always thought of our country as nation largely built on immigrants from all walks of life and variety of races. That’s a large part of why I love Australia so much. Why is it such an issue now?

Melinda says:

09:57am | 04/02/10

Don’t let someone else hijack what your tattoo means to you.  To call anyone who has a southern cross tattoo a racist is like calling a Muslim a terrorist.  Just a load of crap really. 

Why not add the 2 pointers and turn it into a constellation?

SM says:

09:58am | 04/02/10

“My mum might have been wrong when she told me I would wind up looking like trailer trash…”

Then again…

H of SA says:

10:00am | 04/02/10

You could get an even more visible tat saying something which has a clear pro-multicultural message

4wder says:

10:01am | 04/02/10

I have the southern cross on my Bull Bar, & i fly it with pride. Its Australia, its being us, no matter what your culture. its what we see in our night sky and it joins all the states together. If you are that narrow minded then go back to the chardonnay set and have another glass. I i had a choice of the Australian flag or the good ‘ol southern cross, no choice, I’ve made mine.

Outback Gazz says:

10:00am | 04/02/10

Nothing but a pack of Whingers !  Makes me embarrassed to be an Aussie sometimes !!!!

andrew says:

10:00am | 04/02/10

or a Samoan, or from PNG, or even perhaps Brazilian, even some areas in Chile use the southern cross. 

i do find it hilarious seeing these idiots around the streets, at BBQs, at the gym, flaunting the Crux tattoos thinking they are so Australian, when the symbol is not representative of Australia wholly and solely

i will admit i thought about it 15 years ago, but when i looked into it, i realised it would be stupid to get said symbol tattooed on my body.

ImaWestie says:

10:01am | 04/02/10

Your comment:Great way to show you only look at the pictures!

Jonk says:

10:01am | 04/02/10

Hey Nick, as a someone who has also traveled quite a bit I’d say you’re correct in everything besides the news reports - American popular culture is littered with parodies of how their media does the same thing. I don’t know how many languages you can speak but if your experienced is tied to just NZ, UK and the US it’s fairly narrow. Nearly all Spanish language news does the same thing.

In terms of racism, for mine Australia is one of the least racist countries I have been to. Don’t forget Nick that being a foreigner few people are going to have the guts to tell you to your face what they think of foreigners. Spend enough time in a country, learn the language, and you begin to learn the other side of the coin - racism is virulent throughout both South America and Europe, for example.

Days says:

10:02am | 04/02/10

Tatoos huh?

Whoda thunk you’d come to regret it?

Mike says:

10:05am | 04/02/10

Being of Chinese descent, I have several very good friends with the southern cross tattoo, one of which has it from the shoulder blades to the bottom of his spine. It is no more a racist symbol than someone tattooing his daughter’s name on his chest. It is just a matter of perception, and one idiot to make a comment to a random person on a bus about it, shouldnt condemn a whole nation

Lucas Woods says:

10:05am | 04/02/10

These comments really do help to show that the vocal minority’s on both sides of this nationalism issue really are narrow minded twits. How hypocritical you people are for stereotyping and vilifying a particular group of people based on a physical property.

Eurobob says:

10:06am | 04/02/10

I feel for the author; I’ve been wanting to get the national emblem for my birth country (one of those European ones) tattoo’d for a while now.. but I can’t because it’ll no doubt be seen as a Nazi symbol, even though it has no link whatsoever.

Ignorance is a disease, not just in Australia but everywhere

annon says:

10:07am | 04/02/10

i believe you may do what you want with your body, so all of those tattoo bashing people can keep their opinions on that matter to yourself. the author of this article was not saying she regretted getting a tattoo, just that the southern cross is not a symbol of “racist australians” who dont like non-white australians. they are right in saying that since the cronulla riots many people now have the southern cross tattooed somewhere on their bodies and its now a symbol of “bogan pride”. i believe you should take pride in your beliefs and as the authour believes its a symbol of their pride in australia then thats what it means. a tattoo in particular only means what the person intended it to mean, who cares what anyone else thinks, its what you think that matters most.

Daryl says:

10:07am | 04/02/10

It’s OK, Monique. You’ll find a the majority of us get judged on a daily basis by narrow-minded twits that aren’t prepared to look past a tattoo, or whatever. It doesn’t help when journo’s like yourself. Beat up a story like this, that the masses suck up, without educating themselves futher on subjects like this. The Southern Cross symbol was never intented as a sign of Nationalism, Red-Necks or whatever. But once again it comes back to the saturation of news coverage of events like the Cronulla Riots and so on.
It’s saddening to know what yourself and colleagues alike. Have protrayed to the nation to what youse like to think what the Southern Cross represents, in this country nowadays. As it’s a pity, because it’s been taken right out of context and beaten up to be represented in news stories/opinions to something completely different, like this one.

Terry says:

10:08am | 04/02/10

i think you shouldnt be covering it up because it shows that you are proud of who you are and where you come from. Racist Bogans may be using this symbol to represent there hatred but that does not label you a racist in anyway. And if people choose to look at you in that way then they can go to hell. And i totally disagree that its your actions that make you committed to Australia. As we all cant be Politicans making the hard choices for australia, and nor can we all be in the Army representing our country in peacekeeping missions. I m Committed to Australia 100% and i dont need to list any of my actions to prove or defend my committment.

jackie says:

10:09am | 04/02/10

OH MY GOD That always annoys me!

Like with the Haiti Earthquake, they were all like “So there’s two aussies missing….and like, blidunno 100,000 haitians dead. WHERE ARE THESE AUSTRALIANS?”

I was like “UHM THEY CAN BE DEAD FOR ALL ANY OF US CARE, WHAT ABOUT THE 100,000 DEAD HAITIANS?”

It’s disgusting.

Brett says:

10:09am | 04/02/10

You know what the problem is here? YOU! The damn media propagating the message that the Southern Cross is now a racist symbol. If you talk about something enough, it makes it so. I nor many other people I know have never considered the Southern Cross to be a symbol of racism. You’ve dug your own grave with stories like this one. As for bogans, well I think everyone who gets a tattoo is a bogan, so that’s really just a matter of opinion isn’t it!

DJRTMUM says:

10:09am | 04/02/10

Just so you know, we are not all like that.  I hate ‘THOSE’ shirts.  I am a first generation Australian; I served in the Australian Army for 11 years, which allowed me to work with different people from all cultures and creeds.  Just a word of advice most people love when you ask about where they are from and about the culture.  An example of this is when I recently asked an Indian taxi driver about where is was from and as the conversation progressed he explained about his turban.  Did you know there are different colours for different reasons, with white being that of a teacher.  I would not have known that if I didn’t ask.

Frank says:

10:09am | 04/02/10

Good. I was beginning to think it was only me. Like a fair minded person in Nazi Germany I was getting too scared to say what I was thinking. That I thought that symbol showed a person to be a halfwit, not a hero. To be ignorant, not accepting. Its a symbol of nationalism and nationalism is unAustralian. Poor fools cant even see the contradition.

Jeremy says:

10:11am | 04/02/10

maybe you could give a little extra ink some thought, if it’s really giving you such trouble? a small digger’s hat or the anzac symbol within the southern cross would make people think twice about whether it’s patriotism or nationalism…

SLF says:

10:10am | 04/02/10

Ok…there is always a problem when you have an iconic element associated with your country. Regardless of the number of flags on which the Southern Cross appears it is famous for being on Australia’s not anyone elses.

Rather than bleating about what your tatoo now means, maybe do somethign constructive and start campaigning for the positive use of the Southern Cross. In the UK they had a similar problem where the National Frooot and soccer hooligans used the English flag as their symbol ending up with councils refusing to fly the flag as it was deemed racist.

Australia cannot go down this path, our flag is a symbol of our country and rightly or wrongly so is the Southern Cross. Maybe it is time we took them back from the racists and actually had some pride in them again?

Australians being scared of our Flag or imagery is all a bit pamthetic and weird.

Gettign a tattoo on your neck though….what were you thinking…was never going to look classy was it?

JCS says:

10:11am | 04/02/10

It’;s not racist to have a southern cross tattoo.

It;‘s a bit of Aussie Pride.

Racism is prejudice from a position of power.  The way I see it most Australians don’t have any power left so to suggest they are racist is a contradiction in itself.

That being said my colombian girlfriend holidayed in Australia and when she left got the Southern Cross on her ankle to signify her long and enjoyable trip.  So i’m guesssing she is branded a racist too?  Give me a break. 

Also at what point are journalists going to give up on the PC bullshit and report on the bashings of the Indian cabbies and students correctly.  Ethnic gangs bashing and killing other ethnic groups does not make Anglo Australians racist!!!!

Michael says:

11:30am | 04/02/10

This blog is showing the confusion i think, the comments not the article, the southern cross was a sign, and i hope to most it still is a sign of Patriotism (LIT:  devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.)  not of nationalism (LIT:  the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one’s own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.) ... the problem is, as with the eagle in the US, the St George Cross in England and the Swaztika under the Nazis… it has been hijacked by (i hope) the minority, and used as a symbol to rally under… a symbol that brings to the front of peoples minds a movement, an incident, a cause… in this case when i see the southern cross on a shirt, tattoo or car window… my first thought is of Cronulla… “fuck off we’re full” and other racist mantras and events in Australia…

The Cross did once stand for Australia, patrotism and meat pie… now it has been hijacked to mean intolerance, nationalism and alcoholism. 

I ask people, how do we change this perception… which is not just in Australia but is now known overseas… Southern Cross means intolerance…

Chris says:

10:12am | 04/02/10

Years ago a Tatt of the Southern Cross was exactly that. It meant nothing other then the Southern Cross.
Unfortunately groups such as the Southern Cross Soldiers have hijacked the Southern Cross Tattoo as a symbol of White Aussie pride and being a member seams to require having one. Just look at their online networking groups and you will see what I mean.
It’s just like saying “I’m not racist but!”

Chris says:

10:12am | 04/02/10

I completely reject the idea that 21 million Australians are not allowed to identify and have pride in national symbols such as the Southern Cross, the Australian flag, etc… just because a bunch of idiots choose to claim them as their symbols of their idiotic causes.

I challenge all Australians to take back ownership of our national symbols. We - the reasonable majority - should push back against those who steal our symbols from us. We should not allow those racists and other individuals that seek to subjugate a minority group in Australian society to claim ownership of our symbols. We should label those groups as being ‘unAustralian’ and not worthy of coming anywhere near our Southern Cross, our Flag…

What’s next? Do we give up ownership of the coat of arms too?

I see nothing wrong with being patriotic - and, as such, showing your patriotism by having pride in national symbols should not be admonished. Being an idiot and using those national symbols to represent something ‘unAustralian’, however, should be condemned.

So, to all those who so readily associate those people who are proud of our Southern Cross as simply racist - well - I say to you that you are weak and have given up ownership of a great national symbol.

BTW - I take the point that the Cross is visible from all across the southern hemisphere - and so it’s relevance of a national symbol could be questioned. But, at the end of the day, the Southern Cross has been adopted by Australians as a national symbol and we shouldn’t just throw it away based on the reason that, ‘other people can see it’. Afterall, the Canadians use the maple leaf as their national symbol - and I’m pretty sure the maple leaf is not unique to Canada.

I also take the point that I’ve used the awful phrase of being ‘unAustralian’. Exactly what is Australian and unAustralian deserves its own debate. However, I think what we can say, is that being racist is far from Australian.

Paul says:

11:18am | 04/02/10

If the symbol has changed meaning, change the meaning of the symbol.  Just add a caption underneath.  “Peace, Love and Unity” to quote Bliss ‘n’ Eso.

Stefano says:

10:14am | 04/02/10

Perhaps you could find another talented “artist” who could turn it into a pie and sauce?

Watson says:

10:15am | 04/02/10

Such a comment really implies that maybe you are uneducated and unemplyed sherlock, as it is such a gross generalisation to make there could not have been much thought behind it. I know plenty of professionals that live in good suburbs that have tattoos. At the end of the day they are a personal choice and should only have meaning to the individual.

Mickey says:

10:17am | 04/02/10

No James, it does not necesarily mean that at all. Tattoos can be a very personal statement of something that has great significance to you. But it certainly does not mean ” me unable to use big words”. Vast over simplification. If there is nothing in your life that you feel strongly enough about to mark onto your person, thats fine. But do not lump everyone with a tattoo in together. And yes, i have tattoos (over twenty years) and i have never regretted getting them.

Emily Power says:

10:18am | 04/02/10

I am loving you Dr Evil.

But to the author: I used to associate this symbol with the Republican cause to remove the union jack from the flag. Maybe you should get it “lasered”!

S says:

10:17am | 04/02/10

It was under a Croatian flag I believe, vic.  Not Serbian.

Mick says:

10:18am | 04/02/10

I got the southern cross on my arm a long time before the crap happened (2003) and at the time i only ever say one person with the tatt and that was on a cruise and he was from W.A.

I got it becuase it meant alot to me, it still does. But now every man and his dog has it.

AJ says:

10:18am | 04/02/10

I have a small but well done australian made log (green triangle with the gold kangaroo image) on the inside of my left forearm . I got it when i was 19 (26 now) and i have never once considered it a racial slogan. Its a small symbol of where i come from and what makes me the person i am today.
I see alot of young people with the southern cross and a majority of people see it as a symbol of the country we live in and love. 
If i was a racist i would have a large tatto of Pauline Hanson!
And i agree with Dick Smiths recent comments on immigration. Not becasue im racist, but because we need a balance. ...AJ

Bug Catcher says:

10:18am | 04/02/10

Has anyone ever considered that with all the nationalities who wear their national costume and head dress on the streets of Australia, that people are trying to “Invent” some sort of patriotic code of dress.
Aussies have no national dress.  They have to compete with every migrant on the streets wearing some form of costume from their homeland, as they have never intended to be part of Australian culture.  Aussies may feel comfortable with their ink on their necks and wearing the flag on Australia Day. One does get a bit sick of an Akubra, moleskins, flanelette shirt and boots in this frightfully warm weather.
I think it should be compulsory that all “New comers” have to wear a singlet and boardshorts.

Lachlan says:

10:19am | 04/02/10

You’re fight about the American Flag - however a tattoo of the confederate flag does paint someone as racist. Unfortunately Australian rednecks decided to take the national flag and use it for the same purpose.

I wish they’d grabbed Union Jack british flags instead - then maybe we could have safely removed that piece of colonial garbage from our southern cross!

And as for our national anthem - well, the Americans and the French actually do have a national anthem worth singing. Ours has the word “girt” in it. Woohoo.

Saskia says:

10:20am | 04/02/10

Is this a Sydney thing?  Never heard of all this stuff about the Southern Cross.  Would hope that you would qualify your opinions and state that it relates to a particular area of a city/state etc. 

Don’t taint the rest of us with red-neck bullsh*t.

Tattoos are never classy.  Best left for traditional cultures only.  On a man they look rough, vain, and indicate a possible mother complex and manliness issues.  On a woman they are just awful, trashy and make one look like a washed up pole dancer on crack. 

Future generations will look back to the noughties and say why on earth did every man and their dog get these horrible slag tags and bogan barcodes?

Damian says:

10:21am | 04/02/10

Let me first say I don’t have a tattoo, but that must be one of the most simple minded statements I have read on here. Some of the most successful people on this earth have tattoos. Yes you will find bogans with them, but your generalisation is the sort of rubbish that you hear from the media.

Everyone on here seems to be blaming the media for making the Southern Cross a symbol of the racist bogan Aussie. Don’t you people realise that the only reason that has happening is because you are too simple minded to think for yourselves and instead believe the hype.

Yes it can be seen form the all the southern hemisphere but Australians adopted it as one of our national symbols, long before any of you were born.

For me it is a symbol that gives me feelings of pride to be so lucky to live in this wonderful country.

Stephen says:

10:22am | 04/02/10

lol what a pointless, simple and garbage article.

Most people look down on the uneducated simpletons with Southern Cross tattoos.

A chick that isn't stupid enough to mark her body says:

10:24am | 04/02/10

I’m not a fan of tattooing myself due to partially the stigmas that I heard as a child and poor quality of most body art. I do appreciate exceptional body art but this is so rare to see, most of it is cheap and nasty and the Southern Cross is up there as a cheap and now uncouth way of getting a tattoo.

If you get a tattoo you should know the risks that tattoo fashion changes and it’s your problem if you get one. The Southern Cross tattoo sickens me personally, I have seen so many of them (especially up in the tropics where I lived due to bare skin). Seeing one is like being made to eat something like watered up rice everyday. Every one under the age of 30 has one and yes, I can’t get away from connotation that is usually a bogan or redneck that has one or his fat-arsed girlfriend.

I’m really hoping for a backlash against tattoos, there’s been too many on people in recent years.

Ray says:

10:27am | 04/02/10

What has being patriotic got to do with racism. I find your whole article ridiculous. Not journalistic in any way shape or form. More trouble making than anything else. Get over yourself.

H of SA says:

11:53am | 04/02/10

:D, yeah we’ll some of our fellow Southern Hemisphere brothers and sisters do pretty well at the world cup so I wouldn’t mind vicariously basking in their success - plus Spanish and Portugese just sound cool

HJ says:

10:28am | 04/02/10

That is the best response to this issue I have ever read! I personally aren’t against the tattoo, but “actions speak louder than ink” sums it up perfectly.

Tom says:

10:31am | 04/02/10

I’m tempted to get this Tattoo just as a massive middle finger to all the hate on this thread.
Its incredible. Having a Southern Cross tattoo does not brand you a racist, nor a bogan.
So many of you are completely ignorant and pathetic, so much so that you will judge someone for having some ink? Go to hell, morons.
I am planning to get a tattoo, and whatever I get, it will be for me. Not for everyone to judge me on.

hey ya says:

10:32am | 04/02/10

we are all racist in some way. People who say they aren’t, having a oppinion negative or positive about anything towards any one is discriminating.

EM says:

10:32am | 04/02/10

Very true statement.  Most people think racism is anything a white person says or does.

ITM Poster says:

10:32am | 04/02/10

Sick crostika, bro.

SunnyTat says:

10:35am | 04/02/10

Tattoos are a way of expressing a lot of things. I personally have 2. Yet have sat for 3 (I added to one) Yes, I have the typical Chinese symbol (but I researched the hell out of it to ensure it was correct) which my best friend and I got to symbolise our long friendship. Since then she has passed away too young and I am glad we had the foresight to do so as I now have this as a permanent memory of her. I have since added to it to personalise it more to her.

Although tattoos seem to gaining in popularity my opinion is that we all have the right to mark, pierce or tan our bodies in any way we wish. There are a lot of things in this world that we could consider “Trashy” such as those ear piercings that leave a great big gaping hole in your ear or wearing bare feet in public but it all comes down to is personal choice.

I personally do not have them where I can not cover them if I would like to. But again this is my personal choice.

I think we should focus on the fact that Australia is one of the best countries in which we are allowed to be ourselves. It is not enforced that women be covered from head to toe, men are not the leaders of women, we are allowed to show affection in public without being arrested and we can have as many children or not have children as we choose. Lets not focus on what other people (who although make different choices to us) are still within their rights to make their own choices about what they do with their own bodies.

If you think the right to choose should not be a part of our country then I think it is you that has the problem and not the people with the tattoos.

Isabel says:

10:34am | 04/02/10

JT
May I ask how old you were when you acquired the tatt? This square does not freak out, but gets sad at whatever drives folk to it in the first place. Teenage rebellion on the part of a 16 yo son resulted in a large tatt on his left arm acquired while drunk = publican and tattooist both in breach of the law.

Samantha says:

10:35am | 04/02/10

I am a extreme proud Australian and every time I see the Southern Cross I feel proud and I definatley don’t sense a symbol of racism. I fly a Southern Cross Flag out the front of my house to show my patriotism to my country and most definatley not to offend anyone! As far as tattoos go, I do not have any myself but I do appreciate them, unfotunatley the Southern Cross tattoo had fallen in to a fad. Maybe people should stop thinking about how our culture affects others before we completley loose our own identity.

I do not condone racism but people please dont forget about our own country

Isabel says:

10:42am | 04/02/10

stark naked, you are still wearing your tattoo.

Zeta says:

10:43am | 04/02/10

The Southern Cross is really a constellation, not a symbol of national pride. It’s not even called the Southern Cross, it’s called Crux. It’s not exclusively Australian either. The Ancient Greeks could see it before axial precession dipped it below the European horizon. It was re-discovered in South America, not Australia. So it’s the astronomical equivalent of re-writing history to make Russell Crowe an Aussie.

It also appears on the Brazilian flag, Chillean regional flags, and the flag of the Mercosur South American free trade agreement. We actually stole the Southern Cross imagery from the Brazilians, who had this line in their national anthem: ‘A imagem do Cruzeiro resplandece’, written 80 years before ours.

Members of the United States Marine Corps 1st Division often get a Southern Cross tattooed on their shoulders and arms, along with the words ‘The Old Breed’ to commemorate their Division’s service in the Battle of Guadalcanal. So if you ever become embarrased by your misplaced patriotism, you can always get the tattoo amended and claim you’re a World War 2 vet.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that the Southern Cross is not a uniquely Australian symbol. And the agonizing extension of that logic, is that we have no uniquely Australian symbols. Unless you want to get David Boon’s moustache tattooed on your arse, or a Boxing Kangaroo.

Andrew says:

10:44am | 04/02/10

So you feel regret after getting a tat, who would have thought. So many people would I feel. What were you thinking. Tats are forever baby suck it up for they will sag later in life. Too many people get them today and it’s becoming mainstream, sadly. Enjoy the skin your in.

Bazzle says:

10:45am | 04/02/10

Have to agree 100% with this.
These judgemental twats are a bigger PITA than southern cross wearers.
Comparing the southern cross to the swastika is pathetic in the least. One a symbol of pride(not allowed by twats) and other used by those who killed millions of innocent people…give us a break and crawl back to your offices and dont spill your lattes.

John Afflick says:

10:45am | 04/02/10

You bloody dope. Its a tattoo that expresses your love for our great country. If other dopes see it as something else then its their problem. If you feel guilty about it or are no longer proud of the Southern Cross then you are not worthy of wearing it.

Sanchy says:

10:46am | 04/02/10

The tat is on your neck?

Grow your hair.

Oh, it’s not on the back of your neck?

Grow a beard….

(PS: It is a hard fact of life to face that Mum’s are rarely wrong.
Anyone else here seen the ad on TV for Ciculon suacepans, where the old bag has some shithouse tribal “band” tatt around her arm? Before you sit in the chair, remember how rubbish that looks. If you love the pattern now, ask yourself if it will still look good on you when you are 80, sitting in a wheelchair in a nursing home, with plae, baggy saggy skin smelling like wee)

Steve says:

10:51am | 04/02/10

For those who come across the seas, we’ve boundless plains to share.
In courage let us all combine to advance Australia fair…

Chris says:

10:52am | 04/02/10

The southern cross remains the same on both the Australian and New Zealand flag actually. The difference is the new Zealand flag doesn’t have the larger 7 pointed star south west of the southern cross which represents Australia’s 7 states and territories..

stealthpooch says:

10:54am | 04/02/10

It’s a shame that the southern cross, like the Australian flag, has been hijacked by ignorant rednecks, so that it now has negative connotations of racism and intolerance.  My only suggestion is to continue loving this country, but get the tattoo altered somehow.  I’ve had tattoos that have ‘evolved’ into other things.

Also, to those narrow minded people who claim that tattoos are only for the uneducated, I’d like to point out that at least six of the academic staff (including myself) in my department at the university where I work have tattoos. All but one have a PhD, and are well-respected within the academic community. Perhaps do some research before you shout out generalisations without substance?

BULMKT says:

10:54am | 04/02/10

I agree with Barx.

Kika says:

10:55am | 04/02/10

I have a tattoo. I have a small Brian Boru harp – the harp symbol of Ireland. My background is Irish, and I always wanted to have a small tattoo to reflect my origins. I didn’t want anything obvious, cliché and common. So obviously the shamrock was out. Everyone asks about my tattoo and what it means. It does sometimes annoy me when people ask, but at least they do. It means that my tattoo must be original enough for no one to obviously see what I’m trying to express.
I am not against tattoos, and strongly believe that if you’re going to be branded with something for life, it had better mean something to you. And make it original. Nothing is worse than being branded with the same stamp that every Tom, Dick and Harry has.
With the Southern Cross tattoo, it’s common knowledge that Tom Dick and Harry were part of the Cronulla riots and used the flag and the southern cross as symbols of division.  The redneck kids on the trains with no shirt and no shoes have it. The bogans with their hotted up barely legal Holdens’ have it as a sticker on their cars. Why on earth would anyone with half a brain want to brand themselves with that?
What’s wrong with a wattle tattoo? That’s original and uniquely Australian. The Southern Cross is seen all over the southern hemisphere and is even on the NZ flag too! Ironic isn’t it. Yes it was claimed by Australians as a symbol, but as part of a greater symbol of the Union Jack, the 6 pointed star to reflect our states and territories, placing us in the southern hemisphere.  A tattoo of a small wattle branch would quite lovely and much more feminine, and a pretty way of expressing your pride in this country
Also, since when did we all of a sudden become America? Why are we getting so obsessed with nationalism/patriotism and wanting to blaze the flag everywhere and tattoo symbols of Australia on us? It’s a shame, really.  I used to think we were above mindlessly following the herd and getting swept into the Australian mythology? If we’re so proud to be a multicultural country then it’s inevitable that we will start dividing the nation between Aussie and non Aussie because that’s what patriotism IS. So a manifestation of that is race riots and abuse towards those who are non-patriots. Does anyone actually know what patriotism MEANS? There’s a big difference between national pride, nationalism and patriotism. And if we’re going down that road. Leave me out. I used to be proud of our inclusive culture – but we’re becoming more and more exclusive each and every day. I hang my head in shame.

Hang on a minute says:

10:54am | 04/02/10

Again, there southern cross is different - only slightly, but different non the less (stars are not the same and a mirror image of ours ).

Good information though,  thanks!

Si says:

10:55am | 04/02/10

I don’t understand the concept of being “proud to be Australian”.  Why?  To me, you can only be legitimately proud of something that you personally have accomplished - be it graduating uni, serving in the military, raising stable, law-abiding kids or whatever else is personally important. 

Being Australian is not something that you had any control over (unless, like my Mum,  you are an immigrant who chose to come here and become a citizen).  If you were born here - it was pure chance, and your very good luck to be born in this extremely fortunate country instead in some war-torn shithole that the same refugees who many “Proud Australians” denigrate are scrambling to get out of.

As for the “Aussie Swazzi” tattoos - sorry, but I’ve met a fair few people sporting them, and every single one has been a dickhead; at some point, every one of them has uttered the phrase “I’m not a racist but…”

Mungo says:

10:56am | 04/02/10

Any and all nation symbols are being seen as having connotations other than national pride, which in essence is all they are. Symbols of pride for being associated with ones chosen homeland.  Those that see them as symbols of anything else are interjecting their own personal prejudices and warped ideas of the world.  That these ideas, which at best are from the fringes of society, are then given a) credence by the media and b) used as reasons for embarrassment by the apologists, says more about them and their own narrow-mindedness than it does about society at large.

Every citizen of every country has the right to be proud of their chosen homeland and to wear/carry those symbols with pride and without apology.

Why must everything be turned into something sinister or anti-social or given connotations that were never in the mind of the individual but assigned by those looking on.

Craig says:

10:58am | 04/02/10

It’s not racist it is the brand of the BOGAN.

oneleggedtesticle says:

11:02am | 04/02/10

BRUCE i couldnt agree more with you, with the exception that politicians improve society,  thats just a silly statement.  racism is in the eyes of the beholder.  its quite easy to call someone a redneck hick/bogan but that would infact be racist in itself

Mathew Henderson-Hau says:

11:03am | 04/02/10

Amusingly, the crux or solar cross is a norse symbol, a thousand years before the people who discovered Australia were a gleam in an eye.

Mark says:

11:03am | 04/02/10

Mate,

I have been living in the UK for the past 3 years now and for 3 years between 2001 and 2004 and I have seen a lot of racism here in the UK. I have seen protests against asians and even other europeans by the English. I have seen skinheads with the St Georges cross tattoo’d on the side of their head or on their neck… and strangely enough, some of the more tolerent people were the punks and skinheads who are all heavily tattoo’d.

Watch Miami Ink and LA Ink and see how many people get tattoo’d with the american bald eagle or with some other martial theme because they are proud of their country, organisation or some other such thing. I know that I am proud of my country and the things that it has achieved over the past 230 years. And if someone is proud of what their country has achieved, why shouldnt they show it by displaying it. But maybe you would also like to stop proud Australians from flying the flag from a flag pole in their garden because it’s ‘racist’.

I am planning on getting another tattoo this year of my hands pulling apart my chest to show my heart covered in the green and gold of Australia with some of the southern cross showing… does that make me a bogan or a fanatical Australian sports fan… and I will bet that you say I am a bogan… nah… I am a sports fan. If an Australian is playing and representing the flag… I am supporting it.

Tattooed Chick says:

11:03am | 04/02/10

Sanchy….You think by then they will give a S#!t…..smelling like wee, guess you have had a bad experience, wont be going to that nursing home. Im sure if capable they will look at that tattoo and remember the old days and when and why they got it. Anyway off now to get my new tattoo. Most ppl who get tats arent people who will regret it in the first place.

Sanchy says:

12:23pm | 04/02/10

Fair call.

But I think many (not all, just many) of the people out there are getting “inked up” because it’s “fashionable” and “cool”.

People with a tat that is of deep significance to them, a personal design really means something to them, well then that would be timeless.

The rubbish, off the rack amateurish stuff I see on the streets definetly falls into a different category….

Adam MacLeod says:

11:04am | 04/02/10

Just add another star.  Then it’s not the southern cross!

Khrystene says:

11:04am | 04/02/10

A great piece.

You and me both suffer the same. My reasons for getting the Southern Cross tattooed on my right inner forearm (it was done in Poland over 3 years ago by a friend there) was a little homesickness; I missed looking up and seeing that constellation and navigating by it. I missed the things I ‘thought’ were inherant in Australian culture - the concept of ‘a fair go’, consideration, openness. Surely there were other reasons, none of them nationalistic I can assure you, that I can’t quite remember anymore.

After coming back to AU mid 2009, I felt a bit embarrassed, up until recently. I’d even actually thought about removing or covering it because of the racist associations, but then decided I would reclaim it. The haters can ‘think’ I’m one of them, but I’m not and never will be, and I’ll be judged on my actions alone. I will always stand up for what’s right. It’s not in my nature to do otherwise. That being said, I walk around specially carrying a bag with a huge “ANTIFASCISTS” slogan across it… just in case someone gets confused.

David Martin says:

11:04am | 04/02/10

If you tattoo anything on your neck, it’s going to be seen by others; regardless of what it is or the symbology that people may attach to it. You made your bed…..

Kevin says:

11:05am | 04/02/10

I too have a SC tattoo but mine is on my chest. I too had this done back in the late 90’s. I don’t care what anyone thinks or says when they see it, as I am a successful professional and have a multitude of friends from all sorts of nationalities, and it’s these friends that truely understand why I have the tattoo - I love my new country (originally from Germany) and I’m not afraid to show it both symbolicly and verbally.

Khrystene says:

11:05am | 04/02/10

“committment to Australia should be judged by actions”

That I most DEFINITELY agree with.

Rhys says:

11:05am | 04/02/10

Bill what you say is complete rubbish.

The webster dictionary defines “racist’ as: A person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

Why should this ‘courious jurno’  blame herself for having PRIDE in the country that she hails from?

Should I be considered a ‘racist’ by having a New Zealand Silver fern tattoo on my arm?!?

mcdazz says:

11:06am | 04/02/10

Every time I go outside at night, I look for the Southern Cross.

Sure, other countries in the southern hemisphere can see it, so it’s not uniquely Australian, but it’s part of our history and part of our flag.

So, it should be no wonder that Australians hold the Southern Cross in high regard.

Unfortunately, you also have the ignorant racists, who have abused and misused the Southern Cross for their own pathetic and twisted racist agendas.

It’s time non-racist Australians claimed it back from those morons.

CSallen says:

11:07am | 04/02/10

I have one right in the middle of my back and got it bacause I am proud of being Australian, not becaue I am:
a) a bogan
b) racist
c) too stupid to express myself in words, or
d) an uneducated simpleton
The fifth star is only visible in Australia by the way- as anyone that has travelled to NZ and other Southern Hemisphere countries can tell you, that’s why the NZ flag only has 4 stars.
All the generalisations written above are garbage. It is the right of the individual to express themselves how they want.

Benno says:

11:07am | 04/02/10

tatoo’s are sick mate. i luv em. i got a suthern cross tatoo becaus all me mates did and when we go to the beach the chicks luv it. i dunt see anything wrong them em at all. you gotta be proud of your country and stick up for ya mates!!

OZZIE OZZIE OZZIE!

lol says:

11:08am | 04/02/10

i get the same reaction from my swastika tattoo, its so unfair. i just got it because it looked pretty and all my friends were doing it

Knackers says:

11:10am | 04/02/10

You should have got the Boxing Kangaroo. Just as silly but without the dark undertones.

Jack says:

11:13am | 04/02/10

well perhaps not by you, but it has adorned temples in Asia for centuries.

Inked white collar professional says:

11:13am | 04/02/10

Most tattoos are a permanent reminder of a temporary feeling. So get something you like in and of itself and make sure it’s well done, in case you change your mind one day.  That’s all I have to say about it.

matt says:

11:15am | 04/02/10

Nick B.

Perhaps you haven’t travelled as extensively as you claim.

I lived overseas for many years and I distinctly remember rednecks in the US sporting Confederate flag tattoos, St George Cross tattoos being very common in the UK and every second Scot wears the Scottish Lion tattoo.

Also the US press only ever talks about American casualties in a war or disaster.

mark says:

11:16am | 04/02/10

I’m sorry I was forgetting the Peruvian Eastern Grey Kangaroo…and the giant kangaroos of the Antarctic. Not to forget the very popular Long nosed roo of Eastern Tokyo…

Phil says:

11:15am | 04/02/10

Scott 10:48, you’re an idiot.
His point was the fact he has spent time in the services willing to do what needs to be done while representing Australia, it doesnt have to be active combat to show he is a “patriot” , it was his willingness to be involved - something that most who sport these tattoo’s would never have the balls to do.

But back on topic, OP your tattoo is stupid, deal with it, nothing is going to change that, more so you want the meaning changed so you dont look like so much of a douche

ANON says:

11:19am | 04/02/10

why were you on a bus you dont need to catch a bus to the kitchen

Jack says:

11:19am | 04/02/10

great post, except the last sentence. Australia has always been a racist country - not saying “the most racist”, but definitely racist..

Peter B says:

11:21am | 04/02/10

Serves you right for being silly enough to get a permanent tattoo.

That girl who'll never get a tattoo says:

11:22am | 04/02/10

Yes but do you understand that the bulk of these people who have tats (Southern Cross or not) are everyday plebs that are rather unremarkable and lead unremarkable lives and they get tattoos in order to differentiate themselves from others to give themselves a sense of pride and self-esteem? That’s what tattooing in this culture is about: “hey look at me, I’m different!”

For myself, I don’t need a tattoo to express myself. I’m can use my background, personality my accomplishments and my oratory abilities to show people who I am. I also don’t need to show how special I am most of the time, I’m quite happy being normal and not sought out in the crowd.

Unfortunately tattooing goes hand-in-hand with this “me me me” culture that is happening across this country.

Cooko says:

01:29pm | 04/02/10

Explain them to us then…..

Jack says:

01:47pm | 04/02/10

Is our night sky now rascist. to the leftie trash.
I like the Southern Cross, a great way of getting your bearigs and thus an aid to navigation
I think that the lefties like to be lost.

lindy roberts says:

11:22am | 04/02/10

I think just about everything Aussie is called racist the days from our flag to the Southern Cross and just about everything else deemed “ocker”.Basically I just see it as part of an attack on our culture.Im yet to see any Southern Cross baring racists.

Greg says:

11:22am | 04/02/10

I’d be more concerned about being branded a unionist, than a racist.

paul says:

11:23am | 04/02/10

this is all c$*p…it’s only the wankers out there who need to bring this great country down that have a problem with people sporting a southern cross. get over yourselves and get a life.

SLF says:

11:23am | 04/02/10

So can you please express what having one in the middle of your back means?

Seriously why would such a symbol of outward pride be out in such a wird place? Over your heart I would get, on your forehead for the world to see I would get, but the middle of your back? Why? I am genuinely not sure what a blue ink drawing of a constallation located in the middle of your back says?

George says:

11:23am | 04/02/10

Id like to see Lebanese australians or African australians or Asian australians get southern cross tattoos. That’ll completely break the stereotype. The only people Ive seen that walk around with these tattoos are anglo aussies.

Having said that, I find all this flag waving stuff overrated and annoying (except when it comes to sport of course)

ML says:

11:24am | 04/02/10

Oh I can soooooooo empathise with your current situation.
I had the southern cross inked on my upper arm with a singular initial outside of each star for five friends who passed away overseas in a plane crash in late 2002.
At the time it was chosen for a multitude of reasons; firstly they were my australian surfing mates, secondly they were abroad on their final day and I felt it displayed their origin for anyone who enquired about such an odd tattoo. It was a hugely emotional period in my young life, my first tattoo, and I was immensely proud of my decision to get it done in tribute to 5 beautiful young souls.
Unfortunately I too have encountered the stares, comments and confrontation that is now associated with a tattoo that has been hijacked by a small band of racists.
I watched the coverage of the Cronulla Riots and that night sensed my chosen iconic symbol will now have a blurred meaning in most minds.
I’ve decided after months of indecision that although it means so much to me personally, I will get a cover up and identify a different style of symbol to capture my memory of 5 fantastic friends.
I accept my dad’s sarcastic ‘your fault, your stupid, permanent decision’ as well as all the comments on this blog about tattoos are this and that… They are your opinions and no one can deny you that right, Just like a tattoo OUR RIGHT!!!
The article wasn’t about the decision to get ink, it was the choice of a personal symbol that now has varied meanings.
I feel for you Monique and hope coupled with the negative are the occasional admiring comments about your choice!!

Malcolm says:

11:24am | 04/02/10

I am really enjoying reading about all you racist morons attempting to justify your racism, albeit, in your own mind! Hilarious!

Mickey says:

11:29am | 04/02/10

Jonny, what a load of baseless generalisations. To my mind, a clearer indication of someone mental faculties would be those espousing ridiculous generalisations and attaching non specific labels to argue their own baseless arguments.

Chris. says:

11:32am | 04/02/10

‘Racism is prejudice from a position of power.’ 

That’s not really an accurate definition of racism.. Anyone can be racist. Not just the powerful.  ‘from a _perceived_ position of power, or superiority’  -> that’s probably more accurate.
But, in general, anyone who discriminates based on ethnicity is racist.
I admit I’m racist. I have labelled people without knowing anything of their true character. It’s something we all have to deal with.

RobJ says:

11:35am | 04/02/10

“My Southern Cross tattoo now brands me as a racist”

Nah, just a bogan.

“Having said that, I find all this flag waving stuff overrated and annoying (except when it comes to sport of course) “

George speaks for me!

Jessie says:

11:38am | 04/02/10

Monique I don’t understand you at ALL. Your tattoo means what you want it to mean and be damned what other small minded people think of it. I think you should have the guts to believe in something even when other people don’t.

This country has problems no doubt . . .  but instead of trying to come up with solutions for the problems or try to make it a better place to live you all try to distance yourself.

Well I DO love my country and I am not ashamed of that and I will continue hoping that she gets through some of her hard tiems without falling to the belief that every symbol is something to be ashamed of.

Ben H says:

12:07pm | 04/02/10

And chicks dig cool tats!

TattooMiss says:

11:40am | 04/02/10

I have tattoos, which I got for me and are discreet (mostly).

I’m sorry, but I can’t feel sorry for someone who gets a tattoo on their neck.  You got it in such a visible spot, deal with it.

Debsta says:

11:41am | 04/02/10

Thought the southern cross tattoo just meant you were a bogan

Ethos says:

11:45am | 04/02/10

i hope that everyone knows that you can see the southern cross in ANY OTHER SOUTHERN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! so does that mean people who get the southern cross in Brazil are also racist to the people in Australia? i would also like to say that i am proud of Australia and i will say that i am a Australia born and breed and i think there should be rights for everyone who wants to come into this country, whether you are learning the Australian way or teaching us something different. we are all one race and we all deserve to be free to believe what we want and celebrate what ever custom with follow. We are also aloud to tattoo whatever we want on our own skin even if someone else thinks it’s races. You might think it’s bad getting something tattoo that you might find racist or offensive but that person has to right and denying them the right is taking away there freedom, but i also believe that some things shouldn’t be aloud and that is when taking away your freedom is alright such as killing, abuse,  rape etc. you might say that i am a hypo-critic for it but if you deny the freedom of someone else or endanger them, the same thing should happen to you. Also don’t call me a crazy American if you don’t believe people should be free to choose there own way to life maybe you should consult a doctor.

ET says:

11:49am | 04/02/10

Thank you. My husband is a also a professional and two sleeves and has started working onhis legs.  He covers them up for work.  And yes he does get the “looks” that tattooed people when they are on show, but they find out what he does and they want to be his best friend!!!! It annoys the hell out of me!!!!!!!!!!

Jack says:

11:51am | 04/02/10

That’s tattoos for ya!

Driver says:

11:55am | 04/02/10

Southern Cross stickers on imported cars??? Gotta love that irony. Nothing says patriotism more than shunning the local motor industry and all the benefits that brings to Australia. I know the locals are subsidiarys of global brands, but at least they do support a large local manufacturing and related workforce.

My view is that loving our country and adding to the communal standard of living here is done more though action than ink. And nothing is more Australian than the notion of a ‘fair go’ for all. A fair for any law abiding person, regardless of their culture or appearance. The problem here is many (certainly not all, or even the majority of SC tat sporters) see the SC as a symbol of elitism and anglo dominance, whether subconsiously or more overt. To me this is as UNAustralian, and as far away from the fair go as you can get.

Ben H says:

11:57am | 04/02/10

Just what are Australians meant to use to mark our pride? We are sick to death of unwelcome foreigners turning up to our doorstep intent on degrading our colonial heritage and scabbing welfare which would be better spent on us! It really is an upside-down world when popular opinion to close the borders is completely ignored in a so-called democracy. The southern cross is simply a symbol of Aussies’ dissent toward a hostile multicultural (no culture), globalist regime intent on demolishing our rights and values. Close the borders, and this will be a non-issue. Aussies won’t fold!

Ben H says:

12:39pm | 04/02/10

The whole concept of ‘racism’ is made-up; it is a manufactured construct pushed onto an unsuspecting population through media, education and popular culture. Freedom of speech, on the other hand, is a God-given right.

PhilB says:

11:58am | 04/02/10

Why so many people defend the Southern Cross as an Australian symbol is beyond me. It’s about christianity, a bloody great big crucifix symbol in the sky. Whilst my ancestors were christians, I’m not and never will be, so to me any celebration of a symbol associated with a particular religion isn’t something I believe should be associated with our country. And go out into your backyard tonight and have a look in the sky. Is the Southern Cross the most significant thing in our night-sky? I’m a beer swilling, multi-generation Australian with convict history and relatives who died in both world wars under our current flag and I personally loathe it with both the Southern Cross and the UK flag being the representation of who we are. To each to their own I guess, but I know I’ll never vote for the Southern Cross on our flag.

Matt H says:

11:57am | 04/02/10

The southern cross is a bogan stamp anyway. You’re either a bogan or just an idiot for getting it tatoo’d on

JB says:

11:59am | 04/02/10

I’ve wanted a Southern Cross tattoo for about 15 years… long before they were the tramp stamp of the bogan. Now I just get sniggers whenever I mention my ideas, and I’ve even thought about stylising or making it so big it so it’s not immediately apparent what it is. I shouldn’t have to. It’s a shame a symbol of national pride has been mutilated into a symbol of hate.

sb says:

12:01pm | 04/02/10

Unfortunately,

People don’t realize that tatoos have different meanings that are meaningful to the individual…

So now that tatoos are more socially exceptable, there’s going to be more confusion and more stereotyping.

Welcome to a society spoonfed by idiots and the media propaganda machine.

Northside says:

12:02pm | 04/02/10

How would you know which suburb has the most tattooed residents compared to another suburb?  Has the government compiled stats that you have access to and the rest of us don’t?  Don’t presume that because someone lives in a certain area they may or may not be tattooed!  Your ignorance is astounding.

isis says:

12:03pm | 04/02/10

Tattoo on the neck,you say, and your mum told you not to do it, and now you are sorry. Boo Hoo.

Muse says:

12:03pm | 04/02/10

Why do you cover it up then?

der fred says:

12:05pm | 04/02/10

um, no. the nz flag only has four stars actually. we have 6 states and 2 territories…..which equals eight, i think.

Scott says:

12:06pm | 04/02/10

That is exactly the issue with most of the “racist” articles in the media today. Suddenly everything and everyone is racist.

The definition of racism has been lost, and it’s my belief that most the time, the people protesting the racism are more guilty of being racist than the person or object they accuse. Everyone is so worried about being PC, that they don’t even know what it is anymore.

It’s just a tattoo. If your tattoo has a specific meaning to you, then that is all that matters. Who cares if some racist twit has one too. If police officers drives white commodores, it doesn’t mean everyone who drives a white Commodore is one too.

Betelnut says:

12:08pm | 04/02/10

My Southern Cross tattoo now brands me as a racist…..

No, just a peanut with limited imagination and buyers remorse.

annon says:

12:08pm | 04/02/10

here here Jessie! Monique is just adding to the problem by whinging about what a small minded stranger thinks! tattoos are a personal thing and are what you believe they are not what someone else does.

Cosmo says:

12:09pm | 04/02/10

Haha, we reap what we sow.

RobJ says:

12:10pm | 04/02/10

“And now I hang my head low, because (according to everyone who doesn’t sport a tattoo of the Australian icon) it may as well be a swastika.”

Seriously, though I said it was a bogan tattoo, why on earth do you give a toss what others think of it? Maybe you made a mistake when you got your tattoo. So racists like it too, I like Dr Marten boots, so do many members of the National Front. etc etc.

FWIW, I’m not patriotic, I think it’s nonsense to be proud of somewhere because you were born there (you could have been born in Somalia), I’m not a flag waver, I think it’s a sign of insecurity, a need to belong, but we have flags anyway and it doesn’t particularly bother me, so if Australia were to change it’s flag we may as well change it to something that looks good, just the Southern Cross (minus the union flag) would be good, who cares if a load of racist idiots like it too!

James says:

12:11pm | 04/02/10

Just pretend that you are from Brazil, which also has the southern cross on its flag.

Greg says:

12:12pm | 04/02/10

What a load of RUBBISH, the southern cross stands for “Rebellion” NOT racism, if any of you know your history, you would know it was flown during the Eureka stockade in Ballarat and it was flown proudly for a good reason (please look up the history for yourself) it stands proudly on our flag today and is/ has been flown in military campaigns from long ago, to today. If anyone remembers the “White Australia Policy” of the 50`s and 60`s (or “WAP”) will realize White Australians have always been a little racist, only because “WE” as Australians want to protect what we have and what we regard as our identity and close to our hearts- Our beaches, Our BBQ`s etc. WE, dont want to change our laws or our identity for anyone else just because we want to extend our hand in friendship and help others who are less fortunate than ourselves-Boat People. If anyone has a problem with it, they are totally misguided and deluded. I have that flag, know what it represents and have it and fly it PROUDLY. I blame the media and other countries who think we are totally racist to others when we are simply protecting what is OUR identity.

Wren says:

12:13pm | 04/02/10

Different cultures have tattoos for various and tribal and cosmetic reasons. And personally don’t see a problem. If you want to wear a tat your decision. What I don’t understand why do people cover their bodies? The other thing I don’t understand why “graffiti” your body with a tat? You see all shapes and sized people and they disfigure themselves with tats. And for the rest of their life will have to be maintained. I find graffiti on a wall, side of the building ugly. That is how I view tats. At least with tats you graffiti your own self. So the only damage is to yourself.

Joe says:

12:16pm | 04/02/10

A ‘tramp stamp’ is a tattoo on the lower back of a female. a tattoo on your neck is not a tramp stamp.

i also have a southern cross tattoo, and like the author i got mine years before the cronulla riots and every tom dick and harry racist bogan started getting one. mine is on my inner bicep, so is covered nearly all the time.

even though people get it now for the wrong reasons, i got mine for the right reasons and would never change the fact that i got it. i love my country, and im proud to be australian.

William says:

12:16pm | 04/02/10

The Southern cross has been a guiding symbol in the Sky for Australians forever.  As a kid I remember looking up and searching for it night after night and being proud that Australia had picked such a wonderful symbol.

Be proud to wear it, it’s a symbol of hope and happiness for ALL Australians.

Warren Ikin says:

12:17pm | 04/02/10

The only people qualified to comment on racism are the victims of it. Some people may have a tattoo to make a statement, whether it be for nationalism or fashion, at least you know where they stand. You should be more concerned about those who conceal their tattoos like the Japanese Yakuza. Those guys are wolves dressed in sheep’s clothes.

Dimitri says:

12:22pm | 04/02/10

fire this columnist and give:

Nigel 06:48am | 04/02/10

his own column

PhilB says:

12:24pm | 04/02/10

Don’t worry, it will be forgotten about when the dolphins eventually rise up and subjugate us. And then we’ll know who’s on their side…

Rob says:

12:26pm | 04/02/10

Sorry Nigel, if somebody feels that the best way to show their patriotism is by getting some ink done, then hey, that’s their perogative, no need to judge.  Just as it’s your’s to show your patriotism by going onto blogs and telling you served as an army officer for 20 years.  Sorry to say mate, when I was in the services, they had their fare share of racists as well.

CSallen says:

12:29pm | 04/02/10

The NZ fflag has 4 stars, the Australian flag has 5 plus the 7 pointed state/ territory star in the bottom left
http://goaustralia.about.com/cs/australia/a/ausflag.htm
http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-countries-flags/new-zealand-flag.gif

What the? says:

12:33pm | 04/02/10

You Aussie or American? - we don’t have trailer parks in Australia they are Caravan parks ;o)

mike says:

12:33pm | 04/02/10

Your mum was right - tatts make women look like trailer trash

Allen says:

12:35pm | 04/02/10

Havent got a Tat, was thinking of getting one.
If I was going to get a southern cross I would go for the Eureka Flag.
Solidarity and many say the birthplace of Australian democracy.
It was for all the miners regardless of the creed or colour that stood togeather just as the majority of Australi now needs to in order to combat the mindless stupidity and desecration of all things Australian. 
While we are at it, political correctness could also use a boot in the teeth!

Richard Starkey says:

12:36pm | 04/02/10

Suck it up.  You were a bogan to get a tatt (tramp stamp) to begin with.  You should feel ashamed of yourself for that reason (and probably plenty more).

Graham says:

12:36pm | 04/02/10

Under the Southern Cross I stand . . . I’ve always loved the Southern Cross as a symbol of our location on this planet, a sign of freedom and a different place to the old world our convict and gaoler forbears came from.  We’ve allowed yobbo and racist element to usurp this symbol . . it should be reclaimed for what it really represents.  But let’s face it anyone dumb enough to plaster themselves with visible ink just wouldn’t get it anyway!

Tony says:

12:37pm | 04/02/10

Tattoos are a rock-solid sign of insanity. Only a lunatic gets ink.

Margot says:

12:37pm | 04/02/10

Monique: Maybe you can make it a little more of an artsy tattoo by going to a really good artist and getting maybe some kind of compass(many different kinds of beautiful compass from viking to travel to Gothic) or have the design extended to incorporate other things that are important to you.The southern cross isn’t a racist bogan symbol to YOU and that’s the only person who’s opinion really matters when it comes to tattoos.

andrew says:

12:39pm | 04/02/10

you are an idiot Ben H.

Dean M says:

12:39pm | 04/02/10

Oscar Wilde said “Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious”. He said this in the 19thC before the 20th century showed us what evils Nationalism could produce. ...clever man.

Kika says:

12:40pm | 04/02/10

I actually saw a Chinese guy with the southern cross sticker on his car.
Quite funny. Good intentions I’m sure. But I’m certain he didn’t quite get the whole meaning to that sticker…

Chris says:

12:42pm | 04/02/10

I’m surprised that you express so much concern as to what others think of you and your tattoo.  I would have assumed that as a professional getting a visible neck tattoo screams that you are not concerned what others think.  Personally I think that someone who displays such a disregard for their body and their profession via a neck tattoo of any nature is in no position to comment on what constitutes good or bad traits in people and society.

Eat The Rich says:

12:42pm | 04/02/10

What a bunch of self serving twaddle. You were a public servant, you spent 20 years on the public teat. You can define your own brand of patriotism - not the right to define mine. Your service is of no greater (and perhaps less as you were “offshored”) than that of a police officer, nurse or teacher. It is perhaps less noble (as you were paid and they are not) than a volunteer fire fighter, lifesaver or SES member.
As for your two “peacekeeping missions”, they’re not exactly the hell of Lone Pine or the gallant fighting withdrawal of the Chocos in the 39th at Kokoda are they?
Suck it up yourself.

Katia says:

12:43pm | 04/02/10

Well, nothing like a Southern Cross tattoo to spark some healthy debate!

lwp says:

12:46pm | 04/02/10

The SC has had many different meaning but like it or not, in this decade it has been well and truly hijacked by nationalist bogans, and is used a bit like the confederate symbols is in the US, which is a shame for what should be a fairly innocuous symbol. Same goes for SC stickers on car windows. Unfortunately if you voice this observation you are labelled UnAustralian, as if they have final judgement on what that is. Most people don’t dislike the symbol, just what it is being used to represent at the moment. Hopefully it passes…

stu says:

12:47pm | 04/02/10

“My Southern Cross tattoo now brands me as a racist”. Before that it branded you as a bogan so you’re really on a slide going down aren’t you? After all, tattoos are those things that light-skinned people do to make themselves appear tough. They’ll happily appropriate someone else’s cultural motifs and put them on the back of their neck, above their arse crack or on their shoulder blade (i.e. where they can’t see it). If they are a complete bogan they can’t stop at just one tatt.

Bobalong says:

12:49pm | 04/02/10

I think people in society should stop being so precious about everything nowdays.  It’s getting really boring.  If some people want to read bad things into everything then that is their problem.  The Southern Cross is on the flag for goodness sake.  I am sick of the minority bleating about insignificant garbage.  Racism is everywhere, including coming from those who are supposedly the victim of racism.

confused says:

12:51pm | 04/02/10

Racism confuses me, I always thought there was only one Race and that was the Human Race. When did we all separate and become different races pertaining to colour, religion etc..?

I am truly sick of the terms “Bogan” & “Redneck” it smells of the class crap that the UK has.

Amy says:

12:51pm | 04/02/10

I like the Southern Cross but it’s not just an Australian thing…  Every country in the Southern Hemisphere can see it…  We aren’t the only country to have it on our flag either… There is also New Zealand, Samoa, Papa New Guinnea and Brazil with it on their flags too…  I don’t see why its such a big deal to get it tattooed, putting it on our cars, etc, its not like we ‘own’ it or anything…  I also don’t see why its ‘racist’ to get it tattooed etc… I think its ‘racist’ when ppl from other countries come here and don’t respect us and what we believe… I have nothing against them or their beliefs but they shouldn’t disrespect our beliefs either, just because they don’t agree with it…

TeeRoy says:

12:51pm | 04/02/10

I’m loving this discussion about tattoos.

I got a tattoo when I was 21 (of a common Asian symbol) and yes while it may have been an impulse purchase I have no regrets as it serves more as a reminder of the stage I was at in life being carefree and travelling the world. I am now 30 and am currently planning my second tattoo (yes more thought is being put into this one) to celebrate this stage of my life.

I know that when I am 80 and smelling like wee (@Sanchy) my tattoos probably would look like crap but I would hope that they would serve as a reminder that I have lived.

What matters most is that YOU know the reasons why you got a tattoo. What other people think is irrelevant.

Outback Gazz says:

12:51pm | 04/02/10

Where does everyone get the time to write comments on trivial matters ??

jonners says:

12:53pm | 04/02/10

It doesnt brand you as a racist. It brands you as a tool.

fluffy says:

12:56pm | 04/02/10

yeah stephen - so why did you and hundreds of others bother to comment? - MOST PEOPLE would say the amount of comments a post gets would be some gauge as to what people want to read and be involved in, and how pointless it is or not.

the difference between people with tattoos, and people with none, is that tattooed people dont care if you have none.

this article isnt just about tattoos.. its about the southern cross being hijacked by the simpletons to mean something much different to what it meant in 1984 when i got my southern cross tattoo.

Amy says:

01:09pm | 04/02/10

I don’t think tattoos should mean anything and it’s common knowledge that no one wants to hear you’re tattoo’s dumb meaning. I got mine because I admired the artistic talents of the tattooist (both of my tattoos have been done by overseas touring artists) and think that done right, they look awesome. If someone asks me why I got them, I say I got them in prison to shut them up.

Also neck tattoos are only for gangs or people who have run out of room everywhere else.

KP says:

12:57pm | 04/02/10

what garbage - judge not lest ye be judged yourself

shuppa says:

12:58pm | 04/02/10

If you have been talking about it for 15 years then you clearly aren’t going to do it. Stop being an attention whore and find something else that people can like about you. Like being the guy who never talks

Wardy says:

01:06pm | 04/02/10

Interesting that quite a few non tattooed people have a negative opinion about tattooed people yet the reverse does not happen..are tattoed people more tolerant and non discriminatory?

Turk Rogers says:

01:06pm | 04/02/10

much ado about nothing

Grant Ed says:

01:08pm | 04/02/10

Whether you’re inked with the southern cross star or not, I think everyone in the whole country needs to remember that you are all immigrants in some form or another.  Anyone who thinks they have any greater rights or entitlements just because they were born here is merely weak, sad and delusional.

Trojan Whore says:

01:10pm | 04/02/10

Christ, you just wrote that whole inane article because you wanted to get in the ‘cross to bear’ gag didn’t you?

jay pender says:

01:15pm | 04/02/10

Get ready folks…..the great Australian ID (ego) ENTITY is on the way out!  We are slowly but surely losing our national symbols, our heritage, our meaning and sinking ever so gently into the new world multicultural model.  And believe you me, the dissolving of nationalistic pride throughout the world is very high on their agenda.  Even so, one needs to ask if global unity is the key to the future sustainability of the planet.  One World.  One People.  One Future.

Sam says:

01:15pm | 04/02/10

This is ridicullous, honestly can a person not be proud of anything these days without offending anyone, i mean we can’t even say Merry Christmas anymore, why are we allowing other cultures to dictate what we should do and not do, in all honesty if you don’t like it get out and thats not racist, its pointing out the fact that people move to Australia / Canada / US / UK so that they can live the life they want to live and be free but why move to a country where youre going to judge the nation and have them conform to what suits you???? sounds alittle to me like the racism is actually the other way around

Jeremy says:

01:18pm | 04/02/10

I’ve moved to Australia from Germany fifteen years ago and became Australian citizen a few years later, following that I got myself inked with a southern cross which I thought was a great symbol that represented my move to the southern part of the hemisphere and my attachment to my new country.

I don’t think the SC was perceived as a racist symbol previously but unfortunately since the Cronulla riots it became a symbol associated to hatred and racism. I am now feeling quite embarrassed and I am seriously considering its removal.

It is disappointing and sad as I found the original symbolism very nice.

TJ says:

01:19pm | 04/02/10

I’m Asian by decent but Australian through and through and serve my nation in various roles including service. It saddens me to see that the Southern Cross is tarnished by a few idiots. Alot of my mates in service have the tat and they aren’t overt racists, why do I say ‘overt’ lets face it, we all see differences and to some degree one time or another we’ve travelled down that road and pointed out these differences. I don’t believe it’s just me, when I say that even Indians have a “hate” for Indians, there’s a cultural thing I recently learned that Northern Indians ‘punjabs’ hate and feel superior to southern Indians, it’s rediculous. Anyways back to my point I know that I won’t always see eye to eye with all white Australians who decend themselves from different races of white as being accepted as an Australian but that’s too bad for them, I’m Aussie, I’m here to stay, I live, own part and fight for my country and love it as any other and there are many of all backgrounds who stand shoulder to shoulder with me when push comes to shove for the love of my country.

John says:

01:21pm | 04/02/10

I agree, I’m totally over both the Southern Cross and the Australian Flags being used by racist rednecks to promote nationalism.

By the way, it should be mentioned that the Southern Cross is not a unique Australian Symbol, as it can be seen clearly from most countries that are on the southern side of the equator. Indeed, it also features upon at least 5 other countries national flags, those being New Zealand, P.N.G, Samoa, Solomon Islands and Micronesia.

Meg says:

01:20pm | 04/02/10

May your daughters get tattoos ... and lets see if you think their worth is less because of their body art !!  This from a woman, about other women is disrespectful to the idea that a woman has a right to choose what she does with her life, and her body.

purin says:

01:21pm | 04/02/10

Anyone willing to call australia a multicultural society clearly have had wool pulled over their eyes and are not in touch with reality. I have many friends who have said “i’m not racist, i have a chinese friend” or i’m not racist because i work with indians” it goes on.. yet none of them have any clue that the rest of us with actual mulitcultural and bilingual families go through so much discrimination. the tattoo doesn’t matter, it’s the attitude that does.

Alicia says:

01:21pm | 04/02/10

Tramp stamps aren’t placed on the neck, but the lower back.

stealthpooch says:

01:22pm | 04/02/10

Actually Mickey I kind of agree.  Nothing’s *completely* unique, not in art, business, books, movies, music…

There’s a good quote by Johanne Wolfgang von Goethe:

Somebody says: ‘Of no school I am part,
Never to living master lost my heart;
No more can I be said
To have learned anything from the dead’.
That statement - subject to appeal -
Means: ‘I’m a self-made imbecile’.

Clint says:

01:30pm | 04/02/10

Someone should start an organisation called “Australia For Racial, Cultural & Religious Tolerance and Acceptance” and make the Southern Cross its symbol. Then all the bogans will be ashamed to have the tattoo and it can stay on the flag without the chance of becoming offensive.

stealthpooch says:

01:31pm | 04/02/10

this was meant to be a reply to the self-righteous @That girl who’ll never get a tattoo (see below - 11.22 am).  How did it end all the way up here?

oh and Kelly, I’m guessing you enjoy making generalisations about people you don’t know then?  The contradiction in your reply made me laugh.

Brad Coward says:

01:33pm | 04/02/10

In Rudd’s Australia, the leftards will brand you as a racist if you don’t have “I Love Multiculturalism” stamped on your forehead and backside !  I do however understand that the wearing of a “KEVIN ‘07” T-shirt will save you from such taunts !

TC says:

01:32pm | 04/02/10

Interesting to read all the different opinions…...
I concede points on both sides and still am happy to admit I have a southern cross tattoo. I also have my childrens names tattooed in hebrew, have the yin yang symbol, have a celtic pattern inside a tribal sun, have the latin motto of my Scottish heritage family crest tattooed on me as well. These things represent to me what I am, where I came from, where I live and that my family is important to me. What they mean to other people is of little concern to me because they are my tattoos.
Being a professional person, well educated and living in a good suburb are no less of a concern to me either (got these things through hard work not tattoos).  Would my tattoos mean less to me if the reverse were true!
That is the up side of my tattoos. They are mine and have meaning to me.
Working in the community, with my kids and working hard to be a good person and a contributor is what drives me. Speaking with actions is important and I do, but the judgements made of me by others who don’t know me really are of little concern…...

James says:

01:40pm | 04/02/10

Only a racist statement needs to be preceded by “I’m not a racist but…”  Were the following statement not going to be racist, there would be no need to preface it with a disclaimer as to its racism.

Its akin to saying “I’m not disabled but I need a wheelchair to get around.”

TheBigMicka says:

04:11pm | 04/02/10

Or I’m not gay but…

Frank says:

01:40pm | 04/02/10

Isnt it funny how different things make us embarrassed to be Aussie? Personally I feel embarrassed by beer swilling, nationalist bogans. You however dont like people who dont like beer swilling, nationalist bogans. Its a viscious circle no?

Debsta says:

01:49pm | 04/02/10

Hate to burst your bubble but I am a very tattooed young woman who has a very good and highly paying job in a government department.  Tattoos are not the stigma they once were, and yes there are those who may do it for attention seeking but it is a personal choice like yours is to remain clean skinned.  So maybe you shouldnt comment on things you dont understand

KW says:

01:53pm | 04/02/10

Tattoos are a personal lifestyle choice, not dissimilar to hairstyles, fashion piercings etc.etc. We as a society seem to be regressing rather than progressing if we choose to label and discriminate others for a lifestyle choice that should only affect the wearer. I can’t believe how saddened I am for our futures by many of the above bigoted, conceited and belligerent comments.  People should not have to justify their forms of self expressions to allay others perceived opinions of them.

JJJ says:

01:55pm | 04/02/10

I too have professional friends who have tattoos (like many of the commenters), but interestingly - they cover them up when applying for jobs and the like. I always find this facinating. There IS a cultural taboo re: tats in Australia - you are judged negatively by some people - just the way it is.

To the author - if you are ashamed of something - either get over it or change it. I admire people who have the courage to get a tattoo (I never could, despite the fact that I don’t judge people with them). Why not get it removed instead of complaining? BUMMER that it was once ‘original’, but unfortunately now, they are a dime-a-dozen and not always donned by the most intelligent of people.

~Air~ says:

02:01pm | 04/02/10

collectively the southern cross is also a group of stars in the southern region..believed in early time to be the footprint of a wedge tailed eagle…or the pointers-seeing all the earth..or the symbol that represents a meaning for a country or person…how can such a beautiful elemental statement, be of racism..confused much?

James says:

02:01pm | 04/02/10

I did that to one of my students (with very dark skin, and clearly of African decent) last year, and she said in one of the strongest Australian accents I have ever heard, “Darwin mate.”  My face went very red.

omegaman says:

02:02pm | 04/02/10

So do you have a white girlfriend?

Glenn says:

02:04pm | 04/02/10

A tattoo , any tattoo, on the neck? Nothing screams “bogan” louder, darl!
What were you thinking?!

mons says:

02:11pm | 04/02/10

gee Isabel based on your statement I think it’s fair to say you either (a) don’t get out much, or (b) have no firends or (c) both

James says:

02:16pm | 04/02/10

Is that really how you spell your name?

Living free in Australia says:

02:24pm | 04/02/10

I believe Gandhi was a nationalist

H of SA says:

02:34pm | 04/02/10

Did you read the article Cuppa? I think its because Monique gets branded with the tattoo meaning what it means to you that she regrets it….

Anne says:

02:50pm | 04/02/10

I agree Toady. My mum always told me to stay away from those nasty pier groups. To this day I still have a strange fear of jetties…

Roger says:

02:58pm | 04/02/10

Like it or not, someone with a southern cross tattoo is more likely to be a redneck than not. I know it is a generalisation, but as generalisations go, it is accurate. So as we race around in busy lives, constantly making decisions, this is one people will take into consideration. Simple fact. Obviously anyone who has a southern cross tattoo considered this before getting it, and good for them if despite the implication they have enough ‘national pride’, to go ahead anyway.
And Dave, you’re spot on.

Rob says:

03:07pm | 04/02/10

Your mum was right

You’re a bogan.

And probably one who takes pride in it.

RACISM IN AUSTRALIA says:

03:13pm | 04/02/10

Some ETHNIC groups have a formula for carrying out their work, which does not differ from one continent to the other. There is no sense of cultural pattern. They confuse the fact that ONLY ONE RELIGION is meant for all people for the rest of time with the actual pattern of ISLAMIC activity. They seem to believe that the formula, like Islam itself, has been set for all people for all time. This sort of mindless activity harms THEIR reputation amongst those of non-radical racist thinking people.

Developing the consciousness and cultural sensitivity may be view as contentious given that many Muslims confuse their home cultures.  They lack the awareness or it is against their religion/law.  Muslim immigrants, hold onto their cultural attitudes and do very little to socialise with the Australian person as this is not correct and not allowed (the ladies) in the eyes of their men..
Displaying such a strong Muslim ideology of their own religious/law values in Australia and this alone can create a disastrous situation.  They are happy to quietly display the cultural difference in the clothing they wear, often seen in our country and insist that we have an understand and tolerance towards them because this is their religion.

barry says:

03:13pm | 04/02/10

“Tramp stamp” is a particular type of tat, also known as the “Arse Antlers” the decoration of the lower back, when is that really on display?

Anyway, take pride in the boagn southern cross symbol, put it on your car, put it on your skin, sing out for all that you are identified by a symbol.

Do not get a tat to stylise what it means to be Australian, get a tat to be unique, just like everyone else.

Im off to get an asian symbol that I cannot read…  or a mermaid…  or a dolphin…  not sure yet…

JT says:

03:15pm | 04/02/10

Haha… you got it on your neck?

Ricky says:

03:20pm | 04/02/10

Well said Vic.Take a bow….

Ish says:

03:22pm | 04/02/10

The Southern Cross has been hijacked by the rednecks who think that they seem to have more rights to be in this country than others who have migrated more recently…So my suggestion is to simply take it back.

And I don’t understand how you can’t understand that I’m half Chinese and half Australian, my mother was Chinese, my father Australian, what do you think would be appropriate for me to call myself? I look neither Chinese or Australian but identify as being both.

“If you can’t be proud of either or both, then just shut the hell up and stop whining that anyone who is, is a racist.” Where did I say that I wasn’t proud of either nationality? I am proud of both nationalities, that’s why I call myself Chinese and Australian. Perhaps you should pick a fight elsewhere.

Davy says:

03:23pm | 04/02/10

So let me get this right.
Some adornment that you carry on your body indicates to others that you are racist. You apologise profusely to all and sundry that you didnt really mean it. You spit on racists and bigots and wouldnt even momp the floor with their hair.

I must protest.

You seem to say it is quite acceptable that this biggotted response exists in the first place. You even accept your own bigotted response to bigotted individuals. You want to say, “Hang on, I’m not like them”. ” I belong to the good and pure group”. “Dont put me in with that group of a..holes”. ” I dont think like them or do the things they do”. ” I’m not bigotted like them”. ” You know I cant stand them or what they believe in”.

I think its quite acceptable to momp the floor with anybodies hair.

Inky McTattster says:

03:37pm | 04/02/10

I see the stormfronters are out in force today :rollseyes:.  I don’t think having a southern cross tatt makes you a racist (although it does make you a sheep), I just can’t understand why anyone other than a person who is either in the industry, or heavily tattooed already, would get tattooed on their neck.  I have more than a couple but i have never considered having my neck or face done.

Willy K says:

03:39pm | 04/02/10

Why on earth would any clear thinking person get a tattoo?  They look so naff and you simply brand yourself as either scum, vain (with no taste), dumb or a gang-member.  And women getting them???  OMG! 

Someone with a tattoo is hardly going to say they regret it or it does look ugly etc are they?  Too late!  They are stuck with it and have to convince themselves and others that they look cool/tough/sexy. 

As for those drips that tattoo their lovers, family or kids names on themselves…  harden up!  Who cares!  Is it so you won’t forget who you are when you are drunk?  Your kids will be so embarrassed in future years!

There are going to be so many fat, balding, cellulite-ridden clowns in the next few years with these horrible markings on them - don’t you realise how dated and foolish you will look?  As my old drill sargeant used to say about tattoos ‘on a man they scream “small pole” on a woman they scream “big hole”’.  Nail on the head

Ben H says:

03:51pm | 04/02/10

What is so wrong with an emblem symbolising popular Aussie intent to close the borders? Time for a national referendum on border control. But of course, all the important decisions, like immigration or going to war, are made by political puppets. Some democracy.

Cuppa says:

03:45pm | 04/02/10

Great post Sean.I visited Cronulla recently & it was the best & safest i have seen the place in years.Its funny how no one was arrested for the ‘retaliation attacks’ after Cronulla isnt it?Then again, maybe the middle eastern youths involved were just ‘taken out of context’ again….

anon says:

05:58pm | 04/02/10

Simple fix, get the Union Jack inked in next to it. :D

I.M.Sarcastic says:

03:53pm | 04/02/10

that’s right, wimmin should stay in the kitchen

Bolo says:

04:08pm | 04/02/10

In their own country ? Anglos ?...wouldnt that suggest that they are from England ?.  I’m confused….

Johannes says:

04:10pm | 04/02/10

People the world over have tattoos that symbolise their nationality. It’s usually only in the Anglophone nations that there is a elitist backlash against it. I believe it’s because any notion of a ‘culture’ or ‘identity’ developing scares many in a multicultural society. They need to point out that ‘we’re a nation of immigrants’, as if there is a nation in the world that isn’t if you go back far enough. This certainly doesn’t take away the human need for belonging to and identifying with a culture. Having a southern cross as a tattoo is no more ridiculous than having celtic or polynesian tattoos. Writing off everything nationalist or culturally Australian as ‘bogan’ does not change this. This whole ‘bogan’ thing, which is nothing but classism, is becoming very tiresome. One man’s racism is anothers cultural pride. Not many southern cross tattoos in the pure white, non multicultural, elitist suburbs of Australia.

Susie says:

04:12pm | 04/02/10

Spot on!  Tattoos are such a huge turn-off for most women…  they are the clearest sign of a small winky that there is!  Even more than a ‘hot’ car!

Tatts are nothing more than the ‘stud in the left ear’ of the 70’s or the ‘mullet’ of the 80’s…  a daggy fashion trend followed by wanna tough guys and skanks.

Mr Brown says:

04:15pm | 04/02/10

I live by the Unabomber…..

“Yes, I am a criminal.
My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.”

stephen says:

04:39pm | 04/02/10

Isn’t what they do more important than either ?

Mr Brown says:

04:16pm | 04/02/10

I live by the Unabomber…..

“Yes, I am a criminal.
My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.”

Jimbo says:

04:19pm | 04/02/10

Isn’t anyone who has a visible tattoo or for arguements sake an Aussie flag stuck to their car saying “look at me”.
Expect the people looking to judge you.

Peter says:

04:27pm | 04/02/10

I am second generation immigrant. I know what the Southern Cross stands for and I am also aware that it has been hijacked by some rednecks. Here is a challenge for you, do the little things you can to change that perception and show people that you are not racist. Get the meaning back that you want in that tattoo and be proud of it again. I hate racists, but the Australian Flag as well as the Southern Cross has been used by them to get their bigotted views across. Quite a shame really. I wish people would just step back and look at how ugly over the top nationalism is.

Matt says:

04:31pm | 04/02/10

I know exactly how you feel.  I bought a Hyundai Getz shortly after they arrived in Australia, now look at who drives the things!

Jason says:

04:36pm | 04/02/10

I think it’s not so much the symbols themselves, rather than what they are used for. You never see Maori and most Celtic symbols used when opposing multiculturalism. The Celtic Cross is often plastered on websites and on logos of groups that espouse white-supremacism. In the same way, the Southern Cross is often plastered on Facebook groups or e-mail chain letters associated with anti-immigration sentiment hence the symbols become associated with different meanings and represent something else other than what it was intended for.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with cultural pride but it’s often the case that white pride is often associated with exclusion, anti-immigration and white nationalism as opposed to other cultures who celebrate food, dance or cultural rituals and are inclusive, they love sharing their culture with foreigners. It’s unfortunate that the symbolism of Celtic pride is being hijacked by a few idiots to the detriment of all of Celtic origin.

A.T. says:

04:37pm | 04/02/10

I have a tatoo on the inside of my upper left bicep. It’s not the southern cross, although the though has crossed my mind. 

Before I tell you all what the tattoo is and the reasons behind why I decided to get it, does anyone want to tell me how stupid I am, that I’m now a supposed redneck, a racist etc ,etc. Or does the subject of the tattoo somehow have something to do with all of this?

I welcome your comments…

Dave says:

04:41pm | 04/02/10

I feel sorry for anyone with a southern cross tattoo.

Very sorry.

S.L says:

04:54pm | 04/02/10

Congratulaions Monique this is the most replies to a subject on the Punch I’ve seen since I found this sight a few months ago.
As a tatooed person myself I have no problem with your decision to get inked with the southern cross but the neck is a bit obvious.
My tats represent each of my children (I have a couple) and no I don’t have their names printed on me but symbols and only I, they and their mothers know who they represent. I’m not a “motorbike” looking bloke or a “bar fighting bogan”. I’m just an average Joe Blow that had an idea for some tats when I became a parent. As you seem to be an average everyday Aussie loving working female who had in idea for a bit of “body art” I would still wear it with pride Mon.

Jak says:

05:00pm | 04/02/10

If the southern cross isn’t a racist symbol, then why are there hate-groups like “Sons Of The Southern Cross” worshiping the damn thing?  I don’t see freakin’ koalas or meat pies or other Australiana being revered by hate groups!

female 27 says:

05:12pm | 04/02/10

Tatts are nasty and on females utterly repulsive
And Australian symbolism is but a distraction for the sheeple
.......... baa baa baa

Initials to vines says:

05:40pm | 04/02/10

I’m really surprised that over three hundred comments were made, and so few people brought up the possibility of changing the tat. You don’t like your tattoo, which is five relatively small marks with empty space between them? Go to a decent tattooist and get them to work out a cover up. A good tattoo artist can come up with a gorgeous design, based on your requests and input, and the stars will be virtually unnoticeable through it. Do a bit of Googling for cover ups. You’ll be amazed what can be done if your artist has a good idea and some experience doing covers.

But, of course, that would require collaborating with a tattoo artist over a period of time and putting thought and money into your ink. It might be a bit of a different experience than picking some stars off the wall.

and then?? says:

05:56pm | 04/02/10

you must have been waiting a long time to use that line… feel good??

Scoons says:

05:57pm | 04/02/10

The southern cross is just a symbol. What this symbol means to each individual is up to them. It has nothing to do with how many other nations can see it around the world or where it located in the glaxy or what colour, race or religion you are.

I know many multicultural Australian who have the southern cross tattoo on them. I am one of them. I find it steriotypical that everyone believes that only middle class white people have this tattoo. But I guess that this is probably the biggest problem with this whole issue.

Scoons says:

05:59pm | 04/02/10

Because they are…so are the asian, indian, african and european immagrants. All who live in Australia and appreciate and love this country for what it is is Australian.

Gordon says:

06:52pm | 04/02/10

Im a “C” level exec for a large Australian company & have a southern cross tatt on my leg and very proud to show it when im in shorts or boardies. Im a proud aussie who loves his sunburnt country. I’m certainly not a bogan or redneck. Had a bbq at my place on the weekend 11 cultures represented all mates and all proud aussies. This is not nationalism its pride in the country and lifestyle we have… dare I say Oi Oi Oi

Chicken Ticka says:

07:44pm | 04/02/10

Right, after reading all the rubbish that some people have written here, I am off to get my new tattoo. Southern Cross with Ned Kelly, Made in Australia and any others I can fit into the mix. Should be fun.

Sarzzra says:

07:58pm | 04/02/10

The Southern Cross can be seen elsewhere in the world besides Australia so the tattoo makes people look like uneducated fools. The way people act, especially the young ones with the tattoos, flags draped around them and the like makes me wish I wasn’t Australian.

Ben H says:

08:12pm | 04/02/10

Gee Jen, truth strike a nerve? Pathetic baseless insults normally win you an argument?  I’ve been researching this stuff for years. Your naivety tells me you are just another brainwashed dupe.

Bludog says:

08:16pm | 04/02/10

I was in the Army for 10 years and served overseas in Rwanda, i could see the Southern Cross there, it reminded me of home thats why i have it tattooed on my back

Andrew says:

08:29pm | 04/02/10

The problem with The Southern Cross, or better known as the Crux, is that it is adorned on quite a number of national flags as well as organisations. Brazil has it, Chile has it, New Zealand has it, Papua New Guinea has it, heck even the U.S. has a certain organisation that uses it. The constellation has been within numerous cultures for countless years.

The Southern Cross is not restricted to an “Australian” thing simply because it adorns the national flag. I detest the sight of it because of the cannotations it involves; not simply because of the “redneck bogan” symbol, but because the Crux itself adorns and affects so many other countries and cultures that to tattoo it upon yourself seems so ignorant.

Or maybe I am simply tired of people not having a big enough world perception out there.

trent says:

08:47pm | 04/02/10

it doesn’t brand you a racist, it just brands you. Only livestock get branded.

John Dark says:

09:13pm | 04/02/10

The comments section in this blog needs some tweaking, the structure seems to be all over the place and everything is out of order.
I’ll judge a bogan or a racist by their actions, not by their ink. I’m surrounded by guys with various patriotic tattoos, including the southern cross, and I dare say their “decency” credentials far outweigh those of the cultural-cringing champagne socialists in this thread. Seriously, just go and read something by that twit John Pilger if you want to feel superior without any valid reason.

Anthony Patch says:

09:38pm | 04/02/10

Patriotism lives in the heart…if you need to express it outwardly to complete strangers, then it is nationalism.

CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL. says:

10:07pm | 04/02/10

You can call it Racism.  You can say that we have no tolerance.  You can call it what ever but,AUSTRALIA must be more confident about espousing its own values. And the small minority of people refusing to believe in or take on the Australian way must accept criticism as a sign of intellectual rigour if it is to reform into a belief system that embraces freedom and progress for its followers.  Australia’s mutli-media information has cracked the wall around radical thinking people that prison themselves within their cultural beliefs. We do not stone our women moreover we worship them.

Tully says:

10:30pm | 04/02/10

When I see the Southern Cross tattoo I don’t immediately think ‘racist’, but I almost always think ‘bogan’ and ‘unimaginative’.

nessie says:

04:35am | 05/02/10

Why don’t you get it tattooed over something like flowers and vines??

jo says:

05:22am | 05/02/10

Get some ink? Why bother!

Roden says:

07:16am | 05/02/10

I feel sorry for you. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country and your mother was right. What a miserable life you now live. What a lady. Tats, swearing and drinking. And now you are out to destroy a young persons desire to be patriotic - based on your own action. Sad.

agblaster says:

08:11am | 05/02/10

Barry said “get a tat to be unique, just like everyone else.”

Love your work, mate.

Jason says:

09:21am | 05/02/10

@Greg

While Australia First has prospect, the APP I doubt would last long since they are having trouble defining who exactly is Australian and not only do they oppose multiculturalism, they want to get rid of political correctness outright which would just give an excuse for people to be racist. I think the APP are merely racists in suits and they’re not even a registered political party. However, I think nationalist parties in general are a good idea so that some people who don’t like multiculturalism aren’t disenfranchised but not when they hide behind a racist agenda.

Brett says:

09:38am | 05/02/10

I have travelled to many countries in my time and most of them have their national flags draped in public areas.  Just look at the USA where unlike Australia with it’s obsession with divisive “multiculturalism”, most immigrants are proud to live in the US and display the flag at their schools, homes, etc.  Many Aussies simply suffer from an inferiority complex and self-loathing. The latte sipping, pseudointellectual chatting class just love to throw the “R” word around any chance they get and anyone not conforming to their sterile, politically correct ideals is branded a “bogan”.  Sad but true.

why be a clone says:

10:25am | 05/02/10

I have a nephew who was about to get a tattoo (not the Southern Cross) because all his friends were getting them or had them - he asked what I thought about the idea and I asked why would you want to look like everybody else?  Getting a tattoo these days is definitely not a way to express individuality-  you just become a clone.  He decided not to get it and is now the only one in his group of friends without one.

Callie says:

10:50am | 05/02/10

A few things. But first let me say, I’m woman in my mid-twenties, I love tattoos and have a few myself, I have a sucessful corporate career, consider myself open-mnded - but I hate Southern Cross tattoos for what they represent these days too.

But dude - why on earth would you get a tattoo on your neck for starters? No matter what you have on there, people will take on look at you and judge you. This is something you really should have thought about before you got it, and if you did at the time but just don’t like it now - tough, that’s just the way it goes.

No, people shouldn’t judge you, but that is the society in which you live in. If you had a big scar on your face or a birthmark, people would look at you and judge you. It’s crap, but unfortunately the way it is. However unlike those two examples, this is something you have chosen to do to yourself.

It’s unfortunate that the way society now percives your symbol is different to the way you see it, but that is the implicit risk you take when getting a tattoo. If you can’t deal with the risk, don’t get one. Or at the least not in a place that you can’t cover up.

Finally, just as an intersting aside - I don’t know if anyone’s said this already because I can’t be bothered reading all 500 comments - but there are more than 40 national flags with the Southern Cross on it.

Ryan says:

11:21am | 05/02/10

Because the concept of a country, the name Australia and the unification of the country into one group rather than disparate tribes was all done by?

Piccolah says:

11:26am | 05/02/10

Do what you like luv. You are in Australia.

Steve says:

12:46pm | 05/02/10

It’s unfortunate that a symbol so many of us hold dear has now been associated with racism thanks to a bogan minority but facts are facts. I guess it would be a bit like if a hindu in the 1930s had a swastika proudly displayed in their home, and then found to their dismay that that symbol had been adopted by a group associated with unspeakable atrocity.
That’s a big downside of tattoos (I personally don’t like the look of them anyway but that’s not the issue). They’re meant to be permanent. Something which may seem like a good idea to be branded with now might be something you really don’t want to display in the future as perceptions change.

Carrie says:

05:00pm | 05/02/10

It’s not thanks to a bogan minority, it’s thanks to the media. They poison everything by pointing to even the slightest association with anything bad and beating it up out of all proportion.

thingy says:

12:47pm | 05/02/10

I personally don’t understand the need to display national pride in your own country, whether it’s a tatt, a flag wrapped around yourself or whatever. I just don’t get it. I love Australia but don’t understand why people need broadcast the fact that they do in their own country.
I also don’t understand the huge craze in tatts themselves. I think it’s become a cool thing to have or something. Don’t get me wrong, not everyone gets one because they want to be cool, but I’d say a large proportion do.
Having said all this, each to their own and all that….

nathan says:

12:50pm | 05/02/10

Anyone who places every single person with tattoos as Bogans, Gang Members etc, are deluded. I know heaps of people, inlcuding myself, who have tattoos that are educated, working class and well respected within their local community. Tattoos are more likely to be classed as a form of art and expression rather than ‘bogans or low lifes’ in this day and age. Each to their own.

jarvis says:

01:26pm | 05/02/10

i can put a finger on when all this happened. the year they tried to ban australian flags from the BDO. national pride seemed to change that summer.

Ideas Man says:

01:27pm | 05/02/10

Solution: Turn it into an Australian flag with an Aboriginal flag instead of the Union Jack. That way you can communicate that you are multicultural again.

You’re welcome.

Kat says:

03:12pm | 05/02/10

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel… You’re just lucky the tattoo loses its meaning the minute you jump on a plane! But back home, I think you deserve all the looks you get. It’s filthy.

GJM says:

04:01pm | 05/02/10

Its no different to the Union Jack being hijacked by the national front and being seen as a recist symbol.  Cars with ‘Aussie Pride’ with southern crosses are seen as nationalist and excluding.  Don’t see too many migrants going out and getting their southern cross tattoos.  I don’t hate ink and I dont care where you are from but you have to admit.. seeing someone with an arm band tat where once there was a bicep but now there is just tuck shop arms.. you got ta think.. hmmmmmm I bet they regret that one!

Paul says:

04:54pm | 05/02/10

Tattoos brand you as a conformist, and look really, really awful on old people.  I’m a doctor, I’ve seen them all over the body and they look bad!

Nick Charles says:

04:56pm | 05/02/10

Nothing says trash like a tatt on the neck. Any kind of tatt.

Lance says:

05:01pm | 05/02/10

Recently moved back from 2 years in New Zealand and am amazed how racist everyone has become and the racial tensions. I love the aussie flags everywhere now and not really fussed by all the tats.  But what happened to create all this hostility and racism in all directions. I seeing the most hate coming from some ethic minorities and assume the explosion of flags is a backlash from ordinary Australians?

ShamWow says:

05:25pm | 05/02/10

Doesn’t everyone know by now???? Only white people can be racist…

bill says:

06:05pm | 05/02/10

If someone deems a national symbol to be racist then they are putting a twist on it that is not intended whether it be to attack our national pride intentional or not. If you don’t know the difference and can’t explain it to them no wonder you are embarrassed. Also tattoos are a foolish mistake since different cultures can interpret them differently even our own culture changes. As we age and become less brash with our expressiveness the more embarrassing they can become.

Vidify says:

07:44pm | 05/02/10

Just ink under it…. FREE

Sean says:

11:26pm | 05/02/10

Do they look at you with a tat on your neck and think racist ?
Or do they see the tat on your neck and think stupid ?

I have a tat it’s just no visible in normal business/work attire.

Jeremy says:

12:30am | 06/02/10

To be honest, I find it ridiculous that so many Aussies even think the Southern Cross is some sort of unique Australian thing. It shines in the sky of most of the Southern Hemisphere, including Africa and South America. My partner is South American and has suffered many times at the hands of the racism that is so prevalent in Australia. Do these thugs telling her to ‘go back where she came from’ not realise that the Southern Cross shines there too? I find the whole thing a little bit tragic and a little bit absurd. Australia is in denial about its problem with racism. For the most part, the rest of the world is actually living in the 21st century. We need to get out of the 1950s and accept that the world has changed…for the better,

rob says:

08:04am | 06/02/10

I’m going to be totally honest, and knowing this, my post will probably not appear. Now, bear in mind, I’m not trying to be racist BUT: If you had an Aboriginal flag tattooed on you, no-one would label you a racist. But, if you have the southern cross, you must be 100%...a tad hypocritical, yes?

Paul says:

10:02am | 06/02/10

I thought about getting one - I’m not now after all this. Whether it is a matter of principal or not the cross gets a reaction and I dont want a reaction. Maybe if we had our own unique flag which everyone could relate to things might be different. It seems some people think they own the flag.

Paul says:

10:27am | 06/02/10

Ok. I can understand you getting a tattoo of whatever you please on your body, but why on earth would you have your NECK tattooed? That makes no sense to me at all.

That’s the thing with tattoos, they always seem like a simply BRILLIANT idea at the time. This is your unique message to the world. And (in your imagination at least) you believe people will find you so much more attractive, cool and hip. “Yeah! Look at me, look at me! I’m making a statement! I’m unique just like everyone else…”  But there was a time when things like bell bottoms, big shoulder pads and mullets were simply brilliant fashion statements too.  Except of course, tattoos are just a little harder to remove than a pair of big bell bottoms.

My take: whenever I see anyone with a tattoo (especially on lower back, neck or arms) I find myself questioning their intelligence, and, for some reason my mind wants to shuffle them into one of the sub-categories called ‘trailer park’, ‘bogan’ or ‘boofhead’. But… that’s just me.

Live and learn I say.

dave says:

10:52am | 06/02/10

Well I had planned to get a tattoo of the boxing kangaroo but that may hinder my chances of hanging out in the olympic village

Bernard says:

10:57am | 06/02/10

I am australian born with an Irish heritage and have the symbol of strength wrapped around the southern cross on my arm and although there are those who feel the southern cross brands me as a racist, I know the difference and am not ashamed.  If anyone who has gotten the southern cross tattooed on them and like myself who has had the tattoo for more than 15years and now feels ashamed of it, get rid of it or remember why you got it and that nobody can take that away from you no matter what they say or what they do.  Getting a tattoo and what it stands for for you as an individual is all that matters, a work colleague of mine is a 30something aboriginal lady who has hers because she recognises that her ancestors were sleeping under the southern cross a long time before any other australians and I dare say nobody would brand this lady as being racist.  As for the comment about the soldiers with this tattoo, know what you speak about first as none of them go to these war torn countries to shoot women or children.  Most of them don’t want to have to shoot anyone but will do what is necessary to try and protect themselves and the local women and children from what greater harm they face.  I have never been in the forces but have family and friends who are and am shocked that is what some people out in the community think.

Don says:

11:44am | 06/02/10

I think it’s time to get over this stupid topic !

Glenn P says:

11:53am | 06/02/10

Regardless of all the off-spin comments, I too feel similar to Monique.  I got my southern cross tattoo on my leg many many years ago when i received a national decoration for service (non military).  I was very proud and showed it off regularly.  Now i am almost embarrassed to show it - and i emphasise the almost.

Tom says:

11:57am | 06/02/10

I respect the military. I worked with them for many years and most were great guys that went into the armed forces with good intentions. I am ethnic and not once did i experience racism at their hands. That being said, assuming that they are protecting “our way of life” is just ridiculous. I hardly think Afghanistan or Iraq were going to invade Australia anytime soon. The men in the military knew this. They were doing a job. Just like everyone else does their job.

Theirs is inherently riskier, but until we have a war at our front door, then boys, you aren’t protecting our way of life. Your fore-bearers protected our way of life when Japan was at our doorstep, but don’t ever assume that you are performing the same duty as them.

The tattoo, well, good luck finding a job with that thing on your neck. I have 5, but they aren’t for public consumption unless i go to the beach or am wearing a singlet and they are deeply personal. You’ve effectively condemned yourself to being a bogan unless you wear a skivvy your whole life or always keep your hair down, because i know of no employer that would hire you with that on your neck, as infuriating as that may be. So, enjoy working with that Great Australian, Woolworths.

“I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world.”  ~Eugene V. Debs

John says:

12:51pm | 06/02/10

It’s an Australian icon! There nothing redneck about it regardless of your race.
When I see this tattoo it say’s I’m a Australian if you have this tattoo don’t be ashamed because your an Assie for we all sleep under these star every night on this continent, And if you proud to be Australian i see their nothing wrong with having this tattoo if someone say you’re a red neck
I would think they are raciest person

John

Deeja says:

12:57pm | 06/02/10

Two words; Bogan Slogan

Stuart McDDonald says:

01:38pm | 06/02/10

How can you possibly know what everyone thinks?

One alco on a bus isn’t a representaive sample.

Who cares what anyone thinks of your tattoo anyway?

You know the true meaning.

Australian says:

01:44pm | 06/02/10

The mind is a powerful thing.  You can show the same image to 10 different people and get 10 different responses/thoughts/descriptions etc.  Monique, as long as you know what the Southern Cross represents to you (and why you got it in the first place), who cares what others think?  You are merely showing your insecurities about who you are and/or how others perceive you.  Australia has undergone a massive transission over the past 30 years in particular, with significant immigration - more than most other countries worldwide.  As with ALL countries, there will be challenges to adjust. Similarly, like all countries, we also have small minority groups with extreme views that are disorted by the media, but they are the minority.  At the core of the Cronulla ‘riots’  were only a handful of alcohol-fueled hot heads plus 300 onlookers as it was a warm day at thebeach.  This one, relatively small incident now has us apparently questioning our national pride and identity??  Being Australian means different things to different people.  Symbolism (flag, tattoo, sticker, clothing etc) are easy to have, but it’s what we truly believe on the inside and subsquently reflect through our interaction with each other, is what is really important.  I grew up in a very ‘white’ part of country Australia (no aboriginals or immigrants), and it took me years to adjust when I moved to Sydney 14 years ago.  Likewise, it will take awhile for our constantly-evolving nation to adjust.  We should all feel proud and lucky to call Australia home.  Let’s focus on the positives, not the negatives.

Ian F says:

01:45pm | 06/02/10

More evidence supporting the adage about a tattoo being a ‘permanent reminder of temporary insanity.’

Kendo says:

05:16pm | 06/02/10

Well, it’s just a good old Stereotype-a-thon on this subject.

If we call a person who discriminates on the basis of race - a racist.

And a person who discriminates on the basis of gender - a sexist.

What do we call people who discriminate on the basis of tattoos - tattooists?

Kendo says:

06:38pm | 06/02/10

Just read the full lot of posts above - wished I hadn’t!  Some truly offensive stuff being said about your fellow humans - the person who made the “sluttoo” remark should really hang their head in shame.  Wouldn’t be wanting to say that one in front of my sister or I.  The internet has surely produced some spectacularly rude cowards…

Jason says:

07:42pm | 06/02/10

A few Australian bogans have given everyone a bad name. Im embrassed to wear the Australian flag on Australia Day now.

bloody migrants! says:

08:06pm | 06/02/10

Ohhh, boohoo! You wouldn’t believe some of the crap i’ve encountered from my brown skin & unusual name over the past 30 years. Live with it…

Ben says:

08:13pm | 06/02/10

Southern Cross tattoo huh? How unique. Must be proud of Fiji, New Zealand, Brazil, Australia…
Next article please describe your “Asian symbols” and their significance…

scott mcdonald says:

09:27pm | 06/02/10

Well Monique, if you will “wear your heart on your sleeve (or neck) ” so to speak…

maybe next time think before you ink.

Caroline says:

10:16pm | 06/02/10

If the southern cross is now a racist symbol, we had better change our aussie flag pronto!!!

lib4life says:

10:44pm | 06/02/10

Never would have happened under Howard!

wigging says:

02:40am | 07/02/10

the southern cross is not just seen in Australia. It is seen all over the southern hemisphere. I don’t understand how it represents Australia so much.. even though its in our flag.

Thursty says:

09:34am | 07/02/10

If you are going to get a tattoo, you have to be prepared for the fact that it might become popular, and it may become negatively popular.

I’m sure everyone who has got a celtic knotwork band, a barbed wire band, a swallow, a rape tear, a goldfish, their name on their forearms, a tribal tat, a koi fish or jedi feels the same way.

You are not alone in your now misguided attempts to adorn yourself with something cool that has backfired. Such is the precarious tightrope of coolness.

Adolf says:

11:28am | 07/02/10

I know how you feel , ever since i got my hindu good luck symbol on my neck people think im some card carrying nazi , just because Hitler used in in the 30’s and 40’ for some war or whatever.

JJ says:

03:49pm | 07/02/10

What a stupid place to put a tattoo, on your neck, imagine when that neck is lined and wrinkled, tattoo faded in time…........it wont be racists remarks, it will be old slapper from the housos.

Susannah says:

03:49pm | 07/02/10

I am so annoyed at people who are saying this is racist.  Friends of mine were calling people who had the aussie flag on their car, for australia day racist.  Now if you sport an Aussie tattoo you are racist as well?!?  The unions have used the Southern Cross as a symbol and that’s racist? WTF, get a grip for goodness sake!  I can’t believe that someone showing their love for their country is a racist.  This is so sad.

Sophie says:

06:52pm | 07/02/10

My doctor is one of the most educated people I know, with not only a general medical degree, but a qualification as a forensic physician. She also has PLENTY of tatts.

peggy says:

07:05pm | 07/02/10

Um, what is wrong with Australian nationalism?

Are the generation y’ers so brainwashed so as to think being patriotic is somehow a dirty word? 

Is this the only way they can differentiate themselves from mummy and daddy?

Wake up kiddies, there’s actually something to be proud of. As you flush your birthright down the toilet you might take a few moments to remember how lovely it is to have a civilization to live in, rather than a lawless shithole where gang rape, violence and theft are a normal day out.

Cholita says:

07:27pm | 07/02/10

It does represent something more than hate - it represents Bogans.  Specifically, bogans that want to get a tattoo and have no originality or interest in (or knowledge of) traditional tattoo styles.  At least its easy for the rest of us to recognise you.

Swastik says:

08:11pm | 07/02/10

The southern cross has been adopted by groups that are definitely rascist. That much should not be in question, they have used it as an emblem to identify themselves and recruit others.
The fact that you may not be rascist, but are seen to be one because you have the tatoo is now something you have to deal with.
Consider the swastika. It has for thousands of years been a symbol of luck and good fortune in many cultures. The the Nazis and hitler hijacked it. Nowadays if you walk down the street with a swastika tatoo, people will think that you are a nazi or that way inclined. that is something you will have to deal with.
Don’t blame the people who see a symbol now strongly associated with hate, rascism, and violence (the southern cross) and blame them for thinking as they do. Instead blame the rascists, thugs, and ignorant fools who have hijacked this symbol as theirs. Otherwise get a swastika tatoo, and then wonder why everyone looks at you like that.
I am sure the many cultures who0 still view the swastik as a culturally good symbol will sympathise with your dilemma.

Brett L says:

08:14pm | 07/02/10

Actually more than racist, I think any tattoo on a woman brands them more as a low class prostitute, or bikie mole.
Your attitude towards migrants will be more defining of racism.

Andy T says:

08:47pm | 07/02/10

If you like it keep it,if not,get rid of it (them). Only a bogan like cholita would scribe idiotic garb about interest or knowledge of tattoo styles since every person differs ..ergo most tattoos differ,somewhat.  And as for the recognition factor,ye haaaa,isnt that what its all about anyhow?

Warren says:

09:32pm | 07/02/10

Face it Monique; You are one of many that like to wave the flag today; just like the Yanks do.
If you think that so many Australians do it today because they are more ‘patriotic’ than Australians of old, or even a couple of decades ago, then we’ll just have to disagree.
Like it or not; the fact is that it’s a ‘trend’ which just happens to be much aligned with the new Chest Thumping, Loud Mouthed, Red Neck, Nationalists [ie. believing some types don’t belong], and Thugs; just like the Yanks.
The Southern Cross, as the Eureka Flag, was once a symbol of solidarity in defiance of the ruling oppressors; which as we all know has now been usurped by racist, nationalist, thugs, and the Australian flag itself is taking on the same flavour.

We know the Yanks as ‘septic tanks’, probably because they are full of sh.t; So as we model ourselves in their image, perhaps we will earn a similarly flattering bit of rhyming slang.

Dcal says:

11:56pm | 07/02/10

peggy, patriotism is now a business

you have to buy your australia day t shirt, your australia day hat, your australia day removable tattoos, your australia day shorts, your australia day things, your australia day hat, your australia day sunglasses, your australia day flag, your australia day beachtowel, your australia day flags attached to your car, your australia day stubbie holder, your australia day pen, your australia day tarpolan, your australia day tent, your australia day spare wheel cover, your australia day floormat, your australia day doormat, your australia day coasters, your australia day glasses, your australia day disposable cutlery, your australia day cloak, your australia day wizard hat, your australia day bucket hat, your australia day beachbag, your australia day bodyboard, your australia day mousemat, your australia day visor, your australia day stickers, your australia day jewellery, your australia day thermos, your australia day rug, your australia day picnic basket, your australia day facepaint…........

you see, those who aren’t just grateful living in the best country in the world or just don’t understand, will buy as much australia day merchandise as possible because they don’t want to feel like the very outcasts they spurn whom they see unadorned on australia day.

did you even hear any of the advertising leading up to or on australia day? don’t be unaustralian, BUY THIS! be true blue, BUY THESE!

the commercialisation of what used to possibly be my favourite day of the year is ruining it.  the problem is that there’s only two sides now, you’re either true blue or you’re unaustralian. 

get rid of the god damn merchandise, everybody wins.

Pita says:

12:11am | 08/02/10

I recently moved to Australia with my Australian husband.  We lived in the US for 15 years together and decided to move back to Aus to give our kids a taste of the Aussie life.  While in the US about 5 years ago I decided to get a tattoo for our half American half Aussie kid since I have tats for my other kids. After a lot of thought and working through different designs, I opted to get the southern cross.  I didn’t realize it had become such a political statement until we moved back here but I don’t care.  I got my tattoo because its what I wanted to get - plus it probably gives ppl a bit of a spin because I’m a dark skinned woman.  Anyway - if I gave a rats *** about what ppl thought of me I’d never leave my house.  Don’t like it - don’t look.