The journalistic firmament is littered with the carcasses of political commentators who have served up election predictions only to be proven completely wrong on polling day. Here I humbly offer myself up to the pile.

Abbott at a mining site in Perth yesterday. Photo: Theo Fakos

The Coalition will narrowly win next Saturday’s election and govern in its own right. That is, it will win at least 17 seats from the ALP. If it falls short of tis target it will govern with the support of three independents - Rob Oakeshott, Bob Katter and Tony Windsor, who despite their well-documented fallings-out with the National Party over the years, are too smart to alienate their overwhelmingly conservative constituencies by siding with what would be a very battered Labor Government.

Despite polls suggesting a 17-seat turnaround is possible - this week’s Newspoll showed the Coalition would win 16 seats in Queensland and NSW alone - almost every other commentator who has stuck his or her neck out is saying Labor will scrape home.

Perhaps my take on things is clouded by living in Sydney, where the NSW Government is as popular as head lice. But in descending order of importance I’ve tried to distill my thinking down to four key areas, the first of which does involve my home state.

1. NSW Labor is seriously and irreversibly on the nose.

When NSW Labor registered a pathetic 25 per cent primary vote at a by-election in the blue-collar heartland seat of Penrith earlier this year, pundits said the swing was exaggerated by corruption allegations against the outgoing Labor MP. I don’t think it was. The Penrith result reflected a deep-seated malaise with the Labor brand in the most populous state, and suggests that Labor’s improbable victory at the 2007 NSW election, massively aided by a woeful Opposition campaign, has created a sense of pent-up fury which is ready to explode. The cynical reaction to Julia Gillard’s promise of a $2.1 billion western Sydney rail link - something State Labor has promised for years and never delivered - showed how hot under the collar the voters are. The pivotal role of the NSW Right in knifing Rudd for Gillard - based on the roaring success of the Morris Iemma-Nathan Rees-Kristina Keneally model - has galvanised the voter view that these people see power as their own personal plaything.

2. The Rudd factor is massive in Queensland.

It’s now obvious that Labor massively underestimated the perception of arrogance and imperiousness it would generate by removing Rudd the way it did. Voters believe that, when it comes to Prime Ministers, they’re the ones who should do the hiring and firing, not the factions. This sense is most acute in Rudd’s home state, and his awkward and unwelcome return to the campaign trail has only shone new light on the manner of his removal. Tonight’s interview with the former PM on Channel Seven will add salt to a very raw wound. Labor holds 17 out of the 30 seats in Queensland, 10 of them by less than 5 per cent, and all of them are in very serious danger. And you can repeat much of what I said above about the NSW Government in the context of Anna Bligh’s Queensland Labor Government.

3. The so-called pro-Gillard states aren’t pro-Gillard enough.

Victoria is obviously proud of its PM, and South Australia has a high degree of affection for her too, as it’s the place where her Welsh migrant parents settled when she was a three-year old girl, and where she studied intol her 20s. But whatever warm feelings this pedigree generates are unlikely to deliver any corresponding gains in either state. Visiting the two Liberal marginals of Boothby and Sturt on a daytrip home to Adelaide this week, every voter who was gushing about Gillard was cancelled out by another who’s unhappy about the way she got the job, or upset at her policy efforts as Rudd’s deputy.

4. The Liberals have run a much better campaign than the ALP.

The unusual battle for supremacy between the fake Julia and the real Julia, the re-emergence of Rudd, the leaks, the Latham circus…Labor has found itself trying to divert the attention of voters away from massive and often hysterically entertaining distractions. The Liberals, in contrast, have been able to keep their heads down and capitalise on the madness. Labor has had a better week this week and Tony Abbott has made mistakes - his 7.30 Report quip that he’s “no Bill Gates” made him sound like a luddite on broadband. But equally, Gillard’s rave reviews from going on programs such as Q and A and The 7pm Project were illusory, as I’d suspect that on these shows she was already preaching to the converted.

So that’s me. There’s every chance there’ll be an egg obscuring my face on this column next week, but based on our roadtrips out in voter-land, and having spent absolutely no time locked on the bus with Abbott or Gillard, that’s our sense of it. Vote early and vote often.

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    • Chris Roubis says:

      08:42pm | 06/09/10

      Go Julia Gillard!

    • Dan says:

      11:08am | 25/08/10

      Great call Pembo!  You an me mate! I’m looking forward to collecting from Centrebet.

    • JonP says:

      11:19am | 22/08/10

      Looks like your prediction could be one of the few correct ones yet, but be a few days before we know, either way very astute observations, not clouded by the labor spin machine too much…

    • Bale says:

      04:18pm | 20/08/10

      Amazing how people say the NBN will be obsolete in the near future, 100mbit fibre line can be upgrade to 1gbit and 1tbit very easily. It is the best technology in the world when it comes to broadband, South Korea is going to move their 100mbit fibre network to 1gbit.

    • Concerned says:

      09:35am | 20/08/10

      If Tony Abbott can stop the boats, why do we need Nauru?

    • Jolanda says:

      07:35am | 20/08/10

      I hope that Abbott wins and removes the corrupt Labor Government from office.  Labor is corrupt, corrupt at and to the core and their main focus is to cover up their own incompetance, misconduct and corruption.  With a complaint handling system prepared by them to protect their own reputation, no matter who they hurt, you have to ask yourself - how low will they go?  I can tell you that they stoop so low that they protect those withing their ranks who abuse their power and fail in their duty of care even when their victims are children, the elderly or the disabled. 
      Education – Keeping them Honest
      http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/

    • justine says:

      11:14pm | 19/08/10

      David Penberthy, I think this will be the closest election ever, however, as I support the Liberals and will support Tony as I and my family have our vote for him, Julia has had SO MUCH SUPPORT FROM THE MEDIA.  SHE IS FEMALE AND EVEN THE LIKES OF KERRY O’BRIEN ABC, ETC ARE FAVOURING JULIA GILLARD !! Just because she is female,  they are so much nicer to her. I think it is so unfair.  I really hope that Tony and his HONEST Liberal Party get in on Saturday.  It is only fair for the Australian people who have worked so hard.  I would hate to see them struggle again and again and again !!!!!!!!!!

    • Daniel says:

      06:16pm | 17/08/10

      What a crazy prediction. I’m a liberal but he can’t and won’t win.

    • James says:

      10:39am | 17/08/10

      Abbott won’t win but it will be much closer for labour than it had to be.

    • fred says:

      03:13pm | 16/08/10

      A sweet young thing carrying religious tracts and the Christian bible wanted to explain to me why God lets bad things happen. I’m not blaming god/allah for the mess we are in, I told her, waving my pro human rights placard at the passing jaguars, mercedes benz,subaru 4 wds etc, I’m blaming Australian voters.  Was she voting on Saturday, I asked? No was the answer, she is not enrolled because she believes God’s kingdom is coming, and she’ll wait for that. Not Abbott’s, not Gillard’s.

      Why is this lovely young woman who is benefitting from the wealth and largess of our society not participating in the election? Do members of religious minorities have the civil right not to be enrolled, when every new citizen is not only tested but told they must enrol within 14 days? Or will she be fined for never having enrolled?

      s etcGo

    • Macon Paine says:

      06:11pm | 16/08/10

      I feel sorry for her but I think judging by the state of her delusions about waiting for “God’s Kingdom”, it’s probably better for the rest of us that she choses not to vote.

    • Amber says:

      02:26pm | 16/08/10

      Reg, you mean as in…..’..your enemy is my friend’?
      Don’t forget the Labor Party held him up for PM not that long ago…so that would make the whole party insane.
      Whether you like him or not - he does speak from an informed position.
      HE pprobably knows Julia better than anyone, having counted her among his friends.

    • fred in Brisbane says:

      01:47pm | 16/08/10

      If you are correct, please advise in what country a social justice supporter may eek out the next three years.That superficial , ruthless exploiter of public ignorance makes me ashamed of our compliant democracy where ignorance and bigotry still rule. Nothing rigorous or principled about our way of government. Tony might as well appoint Pauline Hanson as Minister for social inclusion and community relations.

    • Casey says:

      01:45pm | 16/08/10

      Penbo, you make me very sad.

    • Richard says:

      12:31pm | 16/08/10

      This is definitely one of the hardest elections to call. Unfortunately I think Julia will get across the line with a heavily reduced minority, one maybe two seat majority. But to think where we all were 12 months ago and where this election campaign is now is mind blowing. 

      Since Abbott was elected opposition leader we have had a government that has governed for the opposition supporters as opposed to their core supporters. Spineless and inadequate to say the least. An ETS (although I oppose it) should have been in place if there was a government who had the strength to govern on mandate as opposed to opinion polls. Then a union thug goes onto the 7:30 report announcing that the union has fallen out of love with Rudd and the next morning they turn the screws and we have a new PM. Abbott played a massive role in putting doubt in Labors heads and they did not have the courage to go with their hearts. 

      Now a PM who is petrified of Abbott because she realises as much as she wants to move forward she keeps going backwards trying to have a go at Abbott. Every day she discovers he is not that scary after all.

      Abbott should placed more emphasis on mental health care; climate change (as he has a policy love it or not); where were the unions when the rorts were occurring with the insulation scheme and BER and maternity leave. I feel he has done very well but looking at history the impossible of defeating a one term government will remain that impossible for the moment.

    • Richard The Lionheart says:

      11:54am | 16/08/10

      This is Labor’s answer to house boatpeople:
      I was in the UK earlier this year and visited two defence establishments which had all but been handed over to refugees.( apart from the airstrip and central offices.)
      Quality RAF aircrew and officer’s housing were now unkempt slum-like dwellings, newpaper curtains and the outside littered with old cars and shabby gardens. The inhabitants walked up and down the streets with their newborn children with nowhere to go. The nearest town was 10 miles away and there was no work for anyone who couldn’t speak English. It looked wretched and I felt the same. They will be on the dole and subsidised housing forever.

    • Philby says:

      11:27am | 16/08/10

      Three very important policies that make huge impacts on our future:
      1. Education and training - Labor is for it and Liberal not
      2. NBN - All the huffing and puffing it comes down to we ar in the bottom 3 of developed countries for speed and service on our broadband. No matter what happens, wireless, microwave will be developed but what will be affordable is another question. We need this NBN, if we do not have it will fall further behind not just in our cmmunication but our lifestyle.
      3. Abbott has not provided any positive policies that surpasses Gillard’s. Can anyone give me one? Remember the important word here is surpass. All I ever see from Abbott is “but the labor has done this so it must be bad” rethoric. Just go have a look at Liberal’s launch last week

    • Amber says:

      11:27am | 16/08/10

      Latham may be a waste of space, but he does know the workings and under belly of the Labor Party and said HE DOESN’T TRUST JULIA.  That should be enough not to vote for her.  SHe and her lot are all about BIG Govt. and BIG spending -  all adding up to BIG taxes.
      Labor builds BIG beaurocracies which don’t produce anything. Eventually you have communism.

    • Bob H says:

      01:56pm | 16/08/10

      Latham’s hysterical warnings that Canberra is full of the useless and the evil, is the only honest punditry I’ve heard in this election campaign.

    • Reg says:

      01:09pm | 16/08/10

      If Latham doesn’t trust Julia then my faith in Julia has been augmented and likewise diminished for those who trust a madman. Amber?

    • SkepDad says:

      11:20am | 16/08/10

      I’m predicting lightly scrambled egg on your face Penbo.  There will be a swing back to the Coalition, but the ALP will sneak in on Green preferences.  That said, a major leak or bombshell in the next few days will be hugely influential and could easily move it one way or another.

      The “just can’t vote for Abbott” sentiment will be too strong, even for Coalition-leaning voters.  If the Coalition had brought back Turnbull 4 weeks ago it would have been a different story - landslide to the Liberals.

      Last-week messages will be as follows: ALP: stronger PM, economy, NBN.  Coalition: Vote the party not the leader, don’t vote Green, negatives on ALP waste.  Greens: Give us your senate vote, and hey it wouldn’t hurt to send a message in the Reps too, but choose your own preferences.

    • No Hope only Charity says:

      11:16am | 16/08/10

      For all you chatterers up there, down here with the scum in LoSocioLand we are all disgusted that people with the same stupidity as us can be up for running the country and Green haven’t had a go yet - which is as good as any argument from engorged journalists.  The polls never include the opinion of human flotsam, we don’t have landlines.

    • Nathan says:

      10:44am | 16/08/10

      Well really, this article is very silly. No government has lost with more than 51% of the vote, never. Incumbency is too strong. There is nothing unusual about this election, nothing. Not even the Rudd factor.  This isn’t pie in the sky dreaming on my part either. The polls never really tanked for labor, all they showed was a great deal of noise. I mean, 4- 6 point movements across a weekly period for either side? Do you really believe that? I understand that a close poll, or an upset, will sell more papers, but come on! News Ltd own pollster, Newspoll, is showing a labor win with 77-79 seats. That may appear close but it follows the pattern of second term elections.  I also am picking up dislike of labor…state labor… in NSW. But it is very much state labor, not federal, no matter what some news organisations claim. Didn’t the Telegraph back Howard as a winner in 2007?

    • MarK says:

      11:19am | 16/08/10

      “There is nothing unusual about this election, nothing.”

      Wrong on so many levels

    • stephen says:

      10:40am | 16/08/10

      Hope he wins.
      Jules is a nice lady, but she puts me ter sleep.

    • chrisozman says:

      10:31am | 16/08/10

      Personally David I haven’t voted FOR any government in the last 30 years, our Politicians are so bad I just vote AGAINST the worst. Abbott did have my vote but when he wakes up Sunday morning as Opposition leader, it will be for one reason, broadband policy. Never in my life have I seem a more fundamentally stupid and needless case of shooting oneself in the foot. The Libs were just getting the momentum, then with one brainless, ludditical corporate choke they threw away their chances of government. It’s NOT the economy stupid! It’s the technology that will be build a much bigger one! You can understand one person in the Party, albeit its leader, not getting it, but Abbott must be surrounded by either dimwits or yes-men without the guts to tell him his error. Either way they deserve to lose. So now what do I do? I refuse to vote for Labor or Greens so now I have to take Latham’s advice, and I can’t stand him either!

    • Concerned says:

      09:31am | 20/08/10

      @Jim:  There is a business plan.  KPMG have independently verified what has been proposed and have stated it will come in under budget at $42.8 Billion in the worst case scenario.

      With business involvement, that cost comes down, and with Telstra’s involvement, that cost will again be reduced.

      Tony Abbott’s plan is heavily flawed and relies on business putting in the infrastructure - something they haven’t bothered doing in the past and won’t bother doing in the future.

      Mark my words - Tony Abbott’s half arsed plan will not provide anything close to what they claim it will.

      Their wireless portion of their plan is an absolute joke.

    • chrisozman says:

      08:58pm | 16/08/10

      Temerarious….you point me to an ABC website for information?
      Sorry I ilke my news unfiltered by groupthink.

    • Jim says:

      11:27am | 16/08/10

      chrisozman…Abbott and co fully understand the need for an upgrade to our internet system. What they are opposed to is the $43bn cost put forward by Labor (which we know full well will almost double if they run true to form) with no business plan at all. None. If a global corporation went hat in hand asking the shareholders for $43bn for something that they have no plan for they would be laughed at. If a trench is dug up almost every street in the country and cable laid then that is what we will be stuck with for the next 50 years. With wireless, sure, the speed and capacity is not what you’d get “now” with cable, but it’s something that can be upgraded on an ongoing basis quite cheaply as technology improves. If having the ability to download a movie in under a minute is going to put my future grandkids in debt then I think I’ll stick with renting a dvd. In any case, most of the internet traffic in this country originates overseas so the links to the US, Asia and Europe should be fixed first.

    • Jim says:

      10:30am | 16/08/10

      @Seano…you seem to be quoting your diatribes directly from the CFMEU (can’t friggin make em useful) handbook. UNIONS hated Workchoices because it spelled an end to rostered overtime, sick leave rorts, lazy workers who knew all their rights but had no responsibility. If YOU owned a small business would you have liked being forced to keep dead wood? If you were a kid looking for a couple hours work after school how would you have felt when the unions said you can’t do that anymore? Here’s news for you chump…there are now more small business owners in Australia than there are union members, and small business owners LOVED workchoices! Unions have pushed so much work off shore with their ridiculous demands (Newcastle steelworks, Pacific Brands, SPC etc etc) but they refuse to acknowledge it. Instead they allow the ALP into bed with them to get all the rorts they can muster. I work with union thugs, I am always shaking my head in disbelief at their lies and propoganda - we even have the local union heavy bullying people into voting Labor “or else”. I definately don’t want an incompetent government that has not delivered on anything other than to spend $90 billion, who is controlled by the unions of this country. Anyone who does has rocks in their head.

    • Sophie says:

      10:11am | 16/08/10

      news.com.au polls say the Liberals will win, theage.com.au say that Labor will win.  Basically it’s too close to call.

    • Hugh says:

      09:55am | 16/08/10

      David, your closing comment “Vote Early and Vote Often” I know is intended as a quip. But quite honestly, this Labor / union tactic is anything but a slogan. In our horse and buggy electoral system there is no requirement for any voter to produce proof of identity and Labor people do vote multiple times at multiple polling stations. They also scour the Death Notices and vote in the names of recently deceased people. Furthermore, the visit all the nursing homes and dementia hostels armed with absentee or postal voting forms and get elderly incompetent residents to vote Labor. I know, because this tactic as done on my 91 year old mother and her nurses admit this is a widespread practice. If Tony Abbott wins, it will be in spite of all the Labor lies, smear campaigns and dirty tricks; a relentlessly hostile main stream media and the electoral frauds, as we saw perpetrated in SA recently with Labor candidates re-badging themselves as Family First.

    • BobM says:

      02:10pm | 16/08/10

      And don’t take Latham’s advice of leaving your ballot paper blank - at least cover it in crosses so it can’t be used by someone else.

    • Seamus says:

      09:44am | 16/08/10

      Maybe not by a landslide but a win nonetheless.  How sweet it will be !!!

    • No Chance says:

      09:40am | 16/08/10

      Keep dreaming Penberthy.  I will expect a lot more Liberal love in’s this week in News Ltd rags.  Piers has trained you all well, lol.

    • fehowarth says:

      08:35am | 16/08/10

      And Turnbull has decided to stay in parliament for his health.  I would be surprised Abbott lasted 12 months.

    • MarK says:

      11:51pm | 15/08/10

      Wish you were right Penbo but Abbott needs a “Tampa” this week to get over the line.

      Here is one for you though Eden-Monaro to go Lib but Libs don’t win.

      Margin of 2 to Labor. Gillard to be ousted in the 12-18 month timeframe - you heard it here first.

    • Gregg says:

      11:46pm | 15/08/10

      I know it’s only Queensland! but Sunday Mail up there has a heading across entire front page that says BLOODBATH !!!
      Special poll conducted for them by Galaxy which predicted Kev07 win has a 5.4% swing prettymuch uniform;y across the whole state.
      The feeling sensed is that Queenslnaders are a bit like as they were described in 1996 by Wayne Goss and Wayne would have known ” Queenslanders are sitting on their verandahs with baseball bats waiting for Paul to show “
      Hope Julia and cronies have good security for the launch !
      And then they could have a rent a Mob flown in to look like Liberals I suppose.

      Is it true Mark Latham is going to be MC?

      One thing’s for sure is that there’s heaps of Queenslanders with Mex connections and with blood thicker than water you do know what has been going down or off south of the Rio lately do you not?

      Going to be some sore heads about come Saturday night and Sunday morning and Kev will have a new bunch of Rat F…....s to write up in his memoirs.

    • Paul says:

      11:38pm | 15/08/10

      Could Australia really be dumb enough to vote Mr Rabbit in? Oh, that’s right… there’s not much of an alternative is there?  We’re going to be stuck with either the boofhead Abbot or the harridan Gillard. Heaven help us.

    • xyz says:

      11:21pm | 15/08/10

      If everyone took Mark Latham’s advice, given at the end of his 60 Minutes piece, and voted informally… would Labor stay in government?

      Perhaps they could toss a coin!

      Anyway, inciting others to vote informally is illegal in Australia, so I can’t wait for Latham to be charged.

    • Rosie says:

      11:02pm | 15/08/10

      Holly it doesn’t matter what Latham had to say the fact here is this is the same guy that Julia Gillard wanted to become PM of Australia in 2004. I say again “Thank God John Howard won that Election.

      For one that was hoping Kevin Rudd would score points for Julia Gillard on Channel 7 it was more like how could Julia Gillard knife a very caring Australian to grab power. It was a reminder to all of us that Julia Gillard just cannot be trusted.

    • Reg says:

      12:25pm | 16/08/10

      Rosie you mean the same John Howard who was so well-and-truly trounced by the electorate that he should be ashamed to ever provoke the voters again? The one the electorate found to be so very untrustworthy? The one you are thanking your god for having elected. I assume you will also accept that it was your god who deposed him?

      I am seriously beginning to doubt your judgment Rosie.

    • L says:

      10:59pm | 15/08/10

      Holly - As you decribed yourself ‘a little old lady”  you are obviously suffering from the eraly stages of dimentia. Book into a home poste haste

    • Holly says:

      09:40pm | 15/08/10

      Latham’s much anticipated contribution to 60 minutes pretty much a total fizzer except for exposing big elephant in the room - Abbott’s involvement with the machinations which eventually saw Pauline Hanson become a political prisoner. (Decision was eventually overturned and Hanson released.)  A pity this matter was not pursued further during the program so that 60 Minute’s viewers got further insights into Abbott’s character, including his impetuosity, vindictiveness and ability to act as solo loose cannon, according to him without knowledge of his party.

      EMRS survey in Tas now showing Labor 60% Coalition 40%.  They obviously want to retain their NBN!

    • Mal says:

      11:15pm | 15/08/10

      Whatever involvement Tony Abbot may have had, he didn’t make the decision to send her to prison- the judge did.

    • Democrat says:

      08:42pm | 15/08/10

      I will stick my neck out and say that Labor will be returned with a slightly increased majority.  There seems to be a total disconnect between what the polls are indicating and what people wish to perceive them to be saying.  The marginal seat polls being published have a far too small a sample to be accurate-while they have a large number of people in total - their sample size in each seat is too small.  Additionally, every major polling company has shown swings back to Labor in the last week and historically there is always a swing to the government in the last week (irrespective of it’s colour).  Finally - watch the bookies - they are putting on their money not just writing a comment.  They have Labor firm and firming favourites.  For what it is worth this election looks very much like 2004 to me - so it is Labor with a comfortable win.

    • BobM says:

      10:42pm | 15/08/10

      Exit polls at Australia House In the Strand, London Give the result: Liberals 45%, Labor 39% and the Greens 16%.  Courtesy of the SMH.

    • POCA says:

      08:39pm | 15/08/10

      If Julia wins; will she stay in pinstripes and pearls or go back to the light grey Dr No pantsuits?

    • Soames says:

      07:06pm | 15/08/10

      One can only say, in the state of Queensland, the Bligh Government has masked itself in sheeps clothing; to that of the conservative opposition, and why?,  because it appears,  the premier and her advisers have, in a strategic gamble to appeal to those punters who are less mindful of reality,  favoured the style of a Kennet example of state government,  in order to rationalise a failed Queensland budget, that of the treasurer, an academic nobody with good marks, of a relative insignicant knowledge of politics, appointed by the permier, along with other representatives of the policing, police union,  and justice systems of long term incumbency,  a continuing legacy of the Beattie government. One would say, it’s the failure of the Bligh government to recognise anything other than self survival. It’s not a good look. Whilst one would preference a Labor government, the Labor brand in Queensland sadly, is philosophically and pragmatically, a failure.  One ought not confuse state and federal politics. One would not endorse a state Labor government. On the other hand, one would endorse a Labor federal government,  considering the ambitious and positive outline, for which negativity ought not be rewarded, in favour of progress. There is a swelling in the electorate of a wider and exciting future, under the banner of a Labor federal government, pulling the raiway line lever in the signal box to the green light of a positive future, rather than to a rail side junction, cobwebbed to an archaic freight overloaded unrecognised rail line of financial impost, of a restrospective view. The federal Labor government ought make sure it does not fall into the category of the latter, as surely as one has the opportunity of catching substantial size red species Emperor and Spanish Mackerel in the forthcoming day or two, in a small window of opportunity in Nth Qld waters, of which one must now prepare.

    • CK says:

      06:49pm | 15/08/10

      The Punch is just yet another News Ltd. Liberal biased publication.

    • CK says:

      11:53pm | 15/08/10

      I’m sure that was the Sunday Telegraph’s editor. The regular Daily Telegraph editor, Penbo’s successor, will be spruiking the Libs ad nauseum all this week.

      Did you happen to catch the Courier Mail today? If not here’s a link to their editorial for your perusal - http://bit.ly/dfdt1b

      News Ltd. Not biased at all….

    • Super D says:

      07:22pm | 15/08/10

      Like that other biased News Ltd paper The Daily Telegraph who today editorialised that Labor deserves another chance.

      Just because Penbo thinks the Liberals will win the election doesn’t make The Punch biased.  If anything the Punch has a slight left lean to it, after all its run by journalists who as a class of people are more left leaning than most - well except for Devine, Albrechtson and Bolt.

      Hey now that Miranda Devine is leaving fairfax can we see her on the punch please!

    • Holly says:

      06:37pm | 15/08/10

      Goodness you people go feral - I am just little old lady with interest in politics.  If you really want to know I looked on Channel 7 web site - saw that it was old interview and decided it was not worth watching but it will be good if it encourages more people to become organ donors..

    • BobM says:

      08:37pm | 15/08/10

      BS Holly - you were hoping like he’ll that Rudd would come out supporting Julia. No such luck tho, he is still bitter and no doubt he hates her guts.

    • Brian says:

      05:08pm | 15/08/10

      And then you wake up from fantasy land newsltd world to realise Abbott is unelectable and Julia a real leader.

      Antony Green has it at ALP 51 - LIBS 49, at te very least.

      Goodbye Tony! And good riddance!

    • TimB says:

      11:22pm | 15/08/10

      XYZ , you think that vote has any relevance today? Abbot has taken the Coalition from a certain loss to the edge of victory. Even if he loses next weekend, the Liberals know he deserves tremendous credit for that and aren’t going to dump him the second the election is over.
      He’ll be back for a second tilt against whoever Labor happen to have leading them 3-4 years from now. And if Labor cock up the next few years like they have these last few, he’ll win in a landslide.

    • xyz says:

      09:46pm | 15/08/10

      Super D, if Abbott loses he won’t have the numbers to keep his leadership (don’t forget he just scraped in by 1 vote when he knifed Turnbull).  I’d keep my eye on Turnbull… he’s patiently waiting!

    • neil says:

      09:12pm | 15/08/10

      Brain, get with the program even if your delusional view is right. Abbott does not need the conventional 3% swing to win. He only needs 17 seats, if there is a uniform swing across the entire country of 2.3% he will win win with 49.3%.

      The Galaxy poll is showing the real feeling in the marginals, so the percentages become irrelevant. If the marginals swing, they swing!

      Abbott can theoretically win with 48.8% of the two party preferred vote.

    • Super D says:

      07:03pm | 15/08/10

      I don’t want to burst your bubble but even if Labor wins Tony won’t be going anywhere.  He’ll get there when the numbers men dump Gillard for Shorten a month out from the next election.

    • hottubpoliticalmachine says:

      04:53pm | 15/08/10

      Brave call David, but the polls show Labor is only in danger in a very few marginals - even the Lib campaign directors are admitting privately this one is lost but they may pick up seats.

      I also think New South Welshmen are no different to other Aussies in that they see a distinction between state and federal politics so I don’t think the bats out for state Labor will hurt the federal party as much as you suspect.

      But then again, with 6 days left things could change

    • Super D says:

      04:47pm | 15/08/10

      My opinion is that Labor will win.  They don’t deserve too based on their record and it is probably in the party’s interest that they lose.  How could losing be in the party’s interest?  Well look at what happens if they win
      1. Arbib and the numbers men are validated in their assassination of Rudd and the use of focus groups to drive policy over principle.
      2. The government continues with its bungles
      3. The perception in the community is that they didn’t deserve the second chance that they were given.
      4. In the 2013 election they are annihilated and it takes them 15 years to recover

      This is basically what is happening to the NSW Labor Government.  They are going to be absolutely destroyed at the next election with a primary vote of less than 25% . The Queensland Labor Government is also well advanced on the same path.

      I actually think it would be better for the ALP to suffer a mild defeat, repudiate the numbers me like Arbib, lick their wounds and come back competitive in 2013.  I doubt this will happen.  I wouldn’t be surprised if the ALP just retains government and some of the results are very dubious.

    • Fed Up says:

      04:26pm | 15/08/10

      I agree with this analysis. I think The Coalition will still win in the Marginals. Here in Qld the anger towards Labor is extreme. I think that more and more this is a Tony Abbott election. Let’s hope so. We need a responsible Government. Abbott has not lied to people that he will give them this and that. He said clearly ” I can’t give you any more. I wish I could”. That is a true Leader rather than a lying politician.
      As for the Labor Party. I just wish as they move on that they think about why the Aust. people are not buying their pitch. And why they are seen as inept in this campaign.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:22pm | 15/08/10

      Abbott wants to pay the wealthy miners to keep digging up our stuff and not pay enough tax, he wants to send the internet back to carrier pigeon days and that’s about it.

      Aside from torturing refugees from a war he was active in starting.

      Jesus weeping is that all we think we are worth?

      Now for some inconvenient facts.

      1.  The insulation program was not a failure, Alan Hawke actually said it was a great success with one or two shonks who have been charged with industrial negligence and a bunch of greedy, ignorant Aussies willing to take stuff for free from those shonks.  REad the damn report you lazy tossers.
      2.  With a 98.5% SUCCESS rate for the schools building program will for christ’s sake stop saying it is a failure and read the two frigging reports from independent experts instead of the Australian’s biased and ignorant reportage.
      3.  The programs did save hundreds of thousands of jobs in spite of the one economist that the Australian conjured up, but he was against any stimulus in the beginning so he is not news.
      4.  Billions extra has been put into health and education - compared to Abbott who wants to strip more out of both and for what?
      5.  Pensions have gone up substantially under Rudd while the lieberals did not make one substantial effort to increase them.  For the disbelieving - $30 per week in one hit + $500 or so for utiliities allowances + raise from 25% of average male earnings to 27.7%, the first such increase in 15 years.  All in all worth about $60 per week.

      The magic of a “surplus”, which is nothing but illegal and organised theft and stacking of taxes without providing services.

      The constitution only gives governments the right to collect such taxes as are required to provide essential services.

      So what do people want?  Rebuilding a nation long neglected by Howard, Abbott and the like or leaving it to rot so the very rich can be paid by Abbott to get richer?

      As for refugees - read Paul Tooheys excellent piece and remember that we would be breaking the law to forcibly remove any refugees from our territory and dump them in Nauru to rot, it was illegal before and illegal now.  Not to mention it cost nearly $2 billion last time while during the 5 years of it’s use some 45 million kids died of hunger and preventable things like measles.

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      03:20pm | 16/08/10

      Jason CR, good point, but you need to think bigger.  In the year 2008-09 Australia exported over 10,000 tonnes of uranium oxide concentrate with a value of over A$ 1 billion. Our share of this ‘stuff’ (without really doing anything ourselves) should see that $200,000 paid off in no time. It’s the best investment I never made.

    • Gregg says:

      11:32pm | 15/08/10

      Marilyn,
      Just read the name and so where have you been these past couple of weeks luv.
      It’s a bit late though for Tony has it in the bag.
      Do you do a good Shepherd’s pie by any chance?, for could be Julia will be looking for cheaper eats in not too distance future.

    • Jason CR says:

      09:13pm | 15/08/10

      “Abbott wants to pay the wealthy miners to keep digging up our stuff and not pay enough tax.”
      Our stuff hey Marilyn?  Damn, why did I pay $200,000 for a small block of soil when I already owned it..

    • Tarzan says:

      06:28pm | 15/08/10

      Marilyn, you do know both Labor and Liberal agree on off shore processing? Please read up about it. Labor agreed with Howard in 2001.
      You know why, it to keep them away from this place: http://www.mrt-rrt.gov.au/Decisions/Decisions-Bulletin/Bulletin/default.aspx
      BTW there is a illegal immigrant there that got a $5 Million Government grant to help his business.

    • Ben81 says:

      06:17pm | 15/08/10

      I stopped reading at “torturing refugees”, and it was a fair effort just getting that far after your opening sentence.  What an absolute clown.

    • Milton says:

      06:13pm | 15/08/10

      Marylin, you had me until your last paragraph.

    • Soos says:

      03:21pm | 15/08/10

      @ BobM says:11:50am | 15/08/10
      ...I watched it too Joan. And you’re right, only one picture of Julia eating a pie…“Humble pie maybe?”

    • neil says:

      03:05pm | 15/08/10

      Earlier last week I posted on The Punch that the variability we hade been seeing in the polls was not due to voters constantly changing their minds, but rather the different feeling between seats and states. I suggested a poll of marginals would tell the true story.

      This Galaxy poll is the first to do this and the results are as I expected. If they had polled the 30 or 40 most marginal seats it would show the coalition much further in front. Labor through their own polling know they are gone if they can’t get at Abbott somehow. This is the reason behind Gillard’s “demand” this morning that Abbott debate her tonight, they are desperate.

      Tomorrow is their campaign “launch”, they will need to campaign hard on that over the next few days then we are into the media blackout.

      If Abbott holds his nerve he should have it won.

    • nosthow says:

      02:41pm | 15/08/10

      um umm ummmm um - there I go talking like Tony Abbott again !  Mr Ummm. Hes going to make a wonderful PM isnt he ? umm   ummmm ummmm. Thank god the campaign is nearly over and Tony “ummmmm” Abbott will be consigned to the political waste bin ! umm ummmm ummmmmmm Oh gees its catching !

    • Gregg says:

      11:27pm | 15/08/10

      Just pathetically hopeless lostnow

    • Jason CR says:

      09:07pm | 15/08/10

      I’d rather ummm, ummm, ummm than blah blah blah…....

    • preciouspress says:

      02:22pm | 15/08/10

      The Labor faithful are asking ‘How can it even be close’. After three years Australia, as benchmarked against all OECD economies, is performing well. In this period there have been more policy initiatives than in the whole eleven lost years of the Howard era. In every portfolio the Government outperforms the Coalition. For example in the key economic ministries, even Labor’s bench players Bowen and Clare outclass the opposition first team of Hockey and Robb.
      The ‘true believers’ know the answer. The factional so-called masters of political tactics panicked when the polls fell from the stratosphere of approval to more normal levels. A fall largely resulting from advice these same geniuses gave their leader. He who could be blamed for the fall could also be readily removed because he had no factional allegiances - a characteristic which endeared him to at least one of the former faithful. Me.

    • Richard says:

      08:50pm | 15/08/10

      It wasn’t panic that precipitated the execution preciouspress, it was resentment. You see, Rudd was factionally unaligned as you say, so when he won the ‘07 election (basically single-handedly), he didn’t owe the factional warlords a thing. He subsequently marginalised their influence in various ways (such as selecting the cabinet himself and ignoring caucus at every oppurtunity) and concentrated power in his own hands. This didn’t go down to well at all, because after 11 years of increasing irrelevance, the Union thugs had thought that with a new Labor government in power again, it would be “all aboard the gravy train.” But it quickly became apparent that Rudd’s real priorities were jet-setting around the globe and promoting himself as a diplomatic bigwig, not than lining the pockets of Labor cronies back home, so the Union heavies began hatching their plans…

      They couldn’t strike him down whilst he was still fantastically popular amongst the voters, but at the very first hint of discontented rumblings out in voter land, the faceless hacks seized their chance and carried out their dirty work. They think they are too smart by half for putting in a female puppet PM to take advantage of Tony Abbott’s perceived sexism, and I do know that a vast majority of >35 y.o single women will be voting for Julia Gillard on this basis, but I do hope that reason prevails and the most competent team (as evidenced by 11 consecutive years of continuous economic progess under their last reign) is reinstated in office on the day.

    • Holly says:

      02:09pm | 15/08/10

      Tony of Poorakistan and all those others who believe Tony Abbott when he says he will not change the current industrial legislation.  You need to take him literally - he will not change the legislation.  He is having a lend of you. The regulations can be changed without changing the legislation.  Changing the regulations can have significant impact.  Joe Hockey said on 7.30 report that the coalition had already taken legal advice about what could be changed.  Abetz has already talked about “tweaking” - what else do you need to know?

      I see Abbott is keen on another Town Hall forum.  If there is another one please can it be held in Labor stronghold and be packed with their stooges.

    • Ex- Pat Aussie says:

      09:55am | 16/08/10

      What.. you mean like every debate audience?

    • xyz says:

      01:38pm | 15/08/10

      I was pleasantly surprised this morning watching the start of Barrie Cassidy’s interview with Tony Abbott. Abbott actually gave credit to the Hawke-Keating Labor government for putiing the Australian economy in good shape to weather the GFC. I changed channels after that… I really can’t stand listening to Abbott’s droning, stammering, repetative negativity.

    • Daniel says:

      01:34pm | 15/08/10

      Labor will win but this election is shaping up to be one of the most fraudulent on record.  Anyone who believes elections in this country are free and fair needs to rethink. Labor is so desperate to cling to power that they will stop at nothing at all…just watch for the big announcements in the coming week designed to make their opponents (on all fronts) look stupid - and they will be timed so that there can be no comeback in the media. Don’t believe me? My neighbour, a union man, is already rubbing his hands in glee at the mayhem they plan to wreak in the next few days.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:40pm | 19/08/10

      Patch, you listening too hard to the ALP ads and nothing else?  The Libs supported the first stimulus package - the one that actually did something.  The rest (BER, Pink Batts etc) came well and truly too late to do anything effective.
      And Gregg is right - there were a lot of other underlying facts that helped us.  We went into the GFC with a surplus (unlike US, UK, Japan, Germany), we had a reasonably dregulated labour market, allowing people to shed hours rather than jobs, a strong well regulated banking sector.  All those things are courtesy of Hawke/Keating/Howard/Costello, not Rudd/Gillard.

    • Gregg says:

      11:21pm | 15/08/10

      Patch,
      I hope they do run hard on the economy for apart from Abbott being far from illiterate and most people knowing that it is not just the PM that will have a say on the economy, you’ve said enough yourself, ie.
      ” leads a party that was anti all of the stimulus which has made Australia the envy of the world “
      Seeing as thre were a few countries that ran stimulus packages and did not fare so well, can you not get your mind around the possibility there was something else afoot! - surplus, banking structure/exposure, resources cash flow.
      I would just love to see the Unions/Labor account for all the borrowing, what expenditure is justified, where the loan is from, the interest and what % of future years revenue will have to be applied to debt repayment.

    • Patch says:

      05:00pm | 15/08/10

      If I was to guess based on the language from today, Labor is going to run hard on the economy in the next week. It’s not fraudulent to point out that Abbott is economically illiterate, leads a party that was anti all of the stimulus which has made Australia the envy of the world, and that the Libs have no coherent policies. Opposing everything isn’t enough. They really should have put the Monk in after the election to head-kick, then let Mal have a run at the election. The NBN fiasco and now promising tax breaks for miners (!) is the beginning of his Latham week I reckon.

    • Unpolled punter. says:

      02:53pm | 15/08/10

      Don’t underestimate electorate intelligence. They are well-informed and from what I gather, lasting angry about Bill Shorten, Arbib, Feney, Paul Howes and Graham Richardson’s backroom dealing. Costly, union-funded ads would backfire, just like the Rudd-Gillard government funded pro-mining tax ads infuriated taxpayers already fed up with their wasting our money. 
      The public has had a gutful of union bullies.
      I suspect Gillard’s union thug friends have done themselves enough damage for one year.  Union backed ads, given their dark, nasty role in Gillard’s unseemly elevation, would be taken as contempt for a public plenty capable of reaching its own decision.

    • Biteme says:

      12:41pm | 15/08/10

      You know I’ve just been on the Electoral web site to see all the parties. There are some pretty weird ideas. (sex party for example decriminalisation of ALL drugs). I know either Labor or Liberal will win, but I’m going to give my vote to a minor party that is strong for what I believe in. (filling in all the squares) It’s a shame people like 730 Report and the others don’t give a voice to these minor parties. In fact heres my idea for a switched on web designer. On the next election create a website that compares all the parties, a bit like a home loan website. Some one can tick all the boxes they like and it give a result for them. Even a bit like what the Punch did. But in more of a spreadsheet style. This will have the major parties scared sh^%$less. With the age of technology it should be much easier to get the anonymous feeling of the people. In fact I reckon all voting will be online one day including referendums.

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      01:05pm | 16/08/10

      Biteme, I could not agree more with you, it’s hard to discover who you are really voting for and their preferences.  Try this site, it’s not exactly what you wanted, but it is a great site to plan and compare parties when voting below the line. The AEC should have produced this long ago - https://www.belowtheline.org.au/

    • Chris says:

      04:46pm | 15/08/10

      Of course because Get Up is another front for the Labor Party and part and parcel of the scheme designed to defraud the electorate. They reckon they now have another 100,000 young voters on side - and the High Court allowed it. (Interesting that it was only a majority ruling and I bet the reasoning will be positively tortuous.)

    • Tails says:

      02:58pm | 15/08/10

      Yeah. I filled it out deliberately with Liberal bias to see what would happen. It said it was a tie between Labour and Green as I was 18.8% suited to both of them.

    • Barry says:

      01:16pm | 15/08/10

      Apparently the GetUp! site did a similar thing to this.  Unfortunately, no matter what boxes you ticked it always recommended you should vote for Labor.  System could be open to deception.

    • Nani says:

      12:39pm | 15/08/10

      Am I really pleased to see your “turn around”??? (Sunday Telegraph Aug 15th article.)
      I wrote to you in 2007 as I was very annoyed at how you used your position at the Telegraph to assist the Labor party to be elected at the last election.
      I remember writing “as you reap-so shall you sew"and hopefully you can see the results of your efforts.
      I fear this article is a smoke screen to get Labor re-elected.

    • TC says:

      02:13pm | 15/08/10

      Should that not be “as you rip-so shall you sew”?

    • Holly says:

      12:32pm | 15/08/10

      I see most people are relying on the Galaxy Poll which took swings in most marginal seats and extrapolated them to all the marginals - not a valid poll way of predicting outcome.

      I notice that Barrie Cassidy missed the hard questions to Tony Abbott - especially surrounding his Parental Leave Scheme.  I find it interesting that voters seem to think that business will pay for high income earners when in fact taxpayers will in 2 years be picking up this tab.  The Labor scheme provides a safety net for all those workers who were previously not covered by a workplace scheme, at a cost of something under $300 million.  The coalition scheme provides up to $75,000 to workers who were already covered by their employers, at an extra cost of $3.8 billion per year, eventually to be paid out of the taxpayer pocket. 

      I think the major plus for Abbott in the marginals is that Abbott treats them in a very paternalistic way - “we know what’s good for you”, and stirs up their fears.  They do not realise they are being totally manipulated as the previous coalition government never did anything in their interests - in fact quite the opposite.  It never compensated low to middle income earners for the extra 10% GST, but gave huge tax cuts to high income earners.  Instead of targeting welfare payments by increasing pension payment to the real battlers, the coalition chose instead to spend about $70 billion on “welfare” and subsidies for those much better off (e.g. non means tested baby bonus, child care rebate, private health rebate etc.)

      Now we see that they are willing to rip the battlers off again by using their taxes to pay rich people to have babies with a non means tested leave payment ,  and will probably once again ignore those on old age and disability pension.

      I think some of you may be quite surprised by what Kevin Rudd has to say on channel 7 tonight.

    • Trolldoll says:

      02:12pm | 16/08/10

      Holly Kevin Rudd wasn’t relevant even when he was PM, Julia Gillard wore the PM’s hat alot more that Kein did even when he was in office. Why would anyone bother listen to him now?

    • Rosie says:

      04:26pm | 15/08/10

      Holly - I think some of us will be quite surprised by what Mark Latham has to say on Channel 9 Sixty Minutes tonight. After all he was Julia Gillard’s choice of a PM in the 2004 Election. Thank God John Howard won that one!

    • Sharon Jones says:

      03:21pm | 15/08/10

      Spot-on, well said Holly! This is exactly the Coalition’s way - to fool the poor Aussie battlers into thinking that they’re on their side, when in fact they’re the exact oppositet!!! I just hope that the people can see through these smooth-talking tricksters, and see exactly where they really stand based on past performances! As Judge Judy often says, “Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!”

    • Joe Blow says:

      03:10pm | 15/08/10

      Holly - I must have missed your criticism of the current Labor maternity leave policy which doesn’t tax companies - it just uses taxpayers’ money!

      Surely in the 3 years of KRudd/JuLIAR Labor they would have reversed any of the GST’s flaws?  Oh no that’s right they were too busy with Fuel Watch and Grocery Watch - Remember them Holly?  Labor’s answer to fixing the rising cost of living ... they are economic morons! 

      Kevin Rudd - isn’t he the guy that lost his way?  Based on what JuLIAR has said about him, I’d be surprised if he could even find his way to Channel 7!!  Oh no that’s right, for political expediency JuLIAR now wants the dimwits among us to forget that he was so bad she had to step in, and to listen to what he says .... lol lol lol

    • ShonaT says:

      02:57pm | 15/08/10

      Sorry, Kevin, I won’t be watching.

    • BobM says:

      02:29pm | 15/08/10

      Holly, how do you know what Kevin Rudd is going to say on Channel 7 tonight, unless you’re a Labor staffer or something? Just goes to show that you are not actually ‘Jo Blow’ with an opinion, but a Labor staffer with an agenda.

    • Jason says:

      02:11pm | 15/08/10

      Julia hates pensioners because they don’t vote Labor and she also disagreed initially with any paid parental leave scheme.  How do I know Holly? Her own party told us!!!
      That’s not a scare campaign or mud being thrown from the opposition, that’s from deep within your own…

    • Steve says:

      01:49pm | 15/08/10

      Its just come on Sky news that Julia ants to meet Tony at Channel 7 tonight at 6.30!

      She is looking desperate if you ask me!

    • Chris says:

      01:39pm | 15/08/10

      You already know what he is going to say Holly? Please tell us and then we will not need to listen.
      Why should a backbencher like Rudd be given air time - are they going to offer the same time to a backbencher from the Coalition? No? Thought not.  More bias from the media.

    • Professor Ceril Hardpipes says:

      12:17pm | 15/08/10

      Good piece Penbo! The stench of NSW Labor and the shifty characters like Arbib and Arbib, in particular, are giving many in the middle the rational to vote for Abbott, even if they do not really won’t too.

    • Michael says:

      12:17pm | 15/08/10

      The “superpoll” is accurate only as far as it goes.  And it doesn’t go as far as you might think, Penbo.  For one, saying that it shows Labor will lose 16 seats in NSW and Queensland alone involves making some (quite heroic) assumptions.  Remember, it’s only a poll of voters in *4* seats in each State: not of all voters in each State.  So, all it shows is a swing in those 4 seats.  Assuming that swing will be replicated across the whole State (and, in particular, its other marginal seats) - as it’s being reported - is a big stretch.  How big a stretch can be seen when you plug those swings into the pendulum and see which seats it ‘implies’ will fall: my favourite is Longman - does anyone seriously think that the LNP will pick this up with a candidate who’s only 20 years old?  If there’s any election where the concept of a “uniform swing” should be treated with great caution, it’s this one.

    • Gregg says:

      12:28pm | 15/08/10

      Reading between your lines Michael, do I detect a note of concern!
      Yep, surely do.

    • Lola says:

      11:35am | 15/08/10

      And the irony of that outcome would be that Tasmania would be the only place in Australia with world-class internet, and there’ll be no filter - can anyone say porn-industry hub?!

    • Baz says:

      12:42pm | 15/08/10

      Yes and No.  All the capital cities already have world-class internet.  It just doesn’t get reported in the fear-mongering media.  As an entire state though yes maybe.

    • Jim says:

      11:28am | 15/08/10

      the second point hits the nail on the spot.

      The nation Elected Kevin Rudd as the Leader. To have a Labor faction remove Kevin Rudd, is like shoving our votes in our faces, as though our opinion doesn’t matter.

      Voters have the right to choose the party and leader, sure its not said anywhere in the rule book that we choose a leader but we do. Not having the voice on choosing a leader is like communism.

      As I’ve said many times, it’s the first time ever for me to vote Liberal. I’m doing it so that Labor understands that we don’t like our voices unheard.

    • Mal says:

      11:08pm | 15/08/10

      Gerard,
      You’re right but mate,  you’re so so wrong.  Yes, we vote for out local MP.  Yes, yes we all know that.  Trouble with your post is that there are a lot of local MP’s who only have their jobs because of the Kevin 07 bandwagon.  The ALP and Kevin Rudd effectively made it a vote directly for PM.  Considering we were hit with the sledgehammer reminding us that John Howard wasn’t going full term (ALP actually ran that in 04 as well) it is laughable that they now expect us to be OK with the fact they changed a leader before that same term finished.  (Not to mention that at one stage they had all 6 state premiers and only one or two had ever been elected.)

    • Gerard says:

      05:51pm | 15/08/10

      “Voters have the right to choose the party and leader”

      Wrong, voters have the right to choose their local MP. Anyone dumb enough to vote for a member of a party should expect them to act in the interests of that party and not in the interests of the electorate. That’s what learning from history means.

    • Temerarious says:

      11:23am | 15/08/10

      David,

      I am willing to bet that you are 100% right, and it looks like the DT super-poll agrees!

    • DWest says:

      11:23am | 15/08/10

      And did you put some money on that at the TAB Penbo? Or is this just more loud hollow talk? Abbott isn’t seriously on the nose? He is seen as a Howard tryhard. I expect a photofinish in this Dumb and Dumber race to the bottom…

    • Michel says:

      04:22pm | 15/08/10

      And if it comes to the TAB—where people really do put their money where their mouth is—Labor’s still got shorter odds than Liberals to win it.  And the punters, 9 out of 10 times in past elections, get it right.

    • Tails says:

      10:54am | 15/08/10

      Very hard to argue against anything you’ve said.
      But equally as difficult to believe it will actually happen.

    • Mal says:

      10:42am | 15/08/10

      Hope you are correct.  They are marginally less worse than the other mob.  If nothing else they usually handle money better than the other mob.

    • Sirro says:

      10:38am | 15/08/10

      Agree .. good summation.

      You must also consider though that the Unions are about to throw untold millions in advertising money over the next 4 days in a massive scare campaign. They know that Labor losing means a lot less sideline cash for them over the next three years.

      In addition I note that most of the Fairfax wanker journos are carrying on that the coalition are not yet ready to govern. What a load of arrogant rot.

      C’mon Tony I say!

    • Sirro says:

      04:40pm | 16/08/10

      In NSW mate the Unions money comes from the taxpayer via the corrupt 15 year old Labor Government.
      Guys like Tripodi getting his mates cushy 250K jobs that theyre not qualified for. Why do you think we are so broke in NSW?

      Just you watch these cronies milking the Australian taxpayer like crazy if Julia gets back. They are rats and we will be the poorer for it.

    • fehowarth says:

      08:30am | 16/08/10

      Miners are not doing bad for the coalition.  At least the union money comes from unionist not wealthy companies.

    • BobM says:

      10:36am | 15/08/10

      I know that you’re hoping that your hunch is wrong, but my hunch is that you’re right.

    • Taiabada says:

      10:26am | 15/08/10

      I sincerely hope your hunch is right.  I could put up with Tony’s occasional stammer, but I just couldn’t face the thought of hearing the ‘motor mouth’ voice of Julia for the3 years to come.  Abbott is, to use a favourite line of my late father, a ‘Man’s Man’, and in Australia that matters to both male and female voters. 
      One thing not remarked on by commentators is the cynical timing of Labor’s “launch” timed to be 3 days after the campaign costings were being called for, which would have allowed them to know all the Coalition’s plans prior to their launch and to also minimise the opportunity to afterward refute any points to be made in the “launch”.  No doubt this was the reason Wayne Swan was frothing at the mouth uncontrollably on Friday.

    • Trevor says:

      10:21am | 15/08/10

      What a frightening thought. Tony Abbott is Australia’s answer to George Bush. It is genuinely scary to think of what might happen with him in the drivers seat.

    • Patrick says:

      11:20am | 16/08/10

      Economic responsibility?  He’s handing out cash, but not building anything.

      At the end of the day Labor is building ... NBN, rail networks, schools
      Liberals are handing out cash to win votes and saying No to jobs and building things. 

      You say this is responsible, except Liberals are currently OUTSPENDING Labor.

      T Abbott is very G Bush ... watch for removal of stem cell research, banning of abortion, and anything else his demented Catholic minds can think of.  And if you don’t think he will bring his views into it, what did HE do with RU43 as Health Minister, he personally blocked it, despite all recommendations to the contrary by the health care professionals.

    • Joan says:

      12:17pm | 15/08/10

      Abbott is answer to management and control of Labor waste, costing taxpayer $100 million per day and Abbott is Australias answer to get Australia back on track after Filed Labor Gillard ` lost its way`. -

    • Shona T says:

      12:07pm | 15/08/10

      Not as scary as thinking what will happen with Jules and co in the driver’s seat.  That will be a nightmare ride of epic proportions and cost taxpayers the earth.

    • BobM says:

      11:56am | 15/08/10

      Wrong Trevor. Julia Gillard is Australia’s answer to George Bush, and the frightening thing is that he got two terms.  And what did we get? The Iraq war (which both parties still support) and a global economy going down the gurgler.

      PS - I love the shot of George Bush sitting in the classroom looking like a cat in the headlights when he was told about the planes hitting the twin towers. Reminds me of Julia the other night at Rooty Hill when she got a couple of unscripted questions.

    • Joan says:

      10:18am | 15/08/10

      Gillard looked real bad with Oakes this morning ...... the ugly hypocritical Julia for all to see- the word hypocrite is left with viewer after watching that interview. .  Abbott handled Cassidy`s questions on Insiders like a real leader, competently and Cassidy looked irritable having failed in his quest to score a point against Abbott. Once again ABC showed bias with cartoon section filled with anti-Abbott cartoons and of course a bunch of pathetic,lazy cartoonists who always resort to Abbott in speedos to get their laughs, reminds me of those pathetic comedians who always resort to a string of four letter words for laughs. An interesting week ahead.

    • neil says:

      02:51pm | 15/08/10

      The ABC’s one saving grace is that only politically engaged people watch it and they are mostly committed to an ideology, they are not swayed by the bias.

      The swinging voters watch Fox sport and The Simpson’s, they don’t read The Age, SMH or go online to read The Drum. The left bias media is just talking amongst themselves. That’s why they are completely unaware of the mood of the electorate.

    • MH says:

      01:05pm | 15/08/10

      I too would like to see Abbott get up but resorting to the old media bias claim to support the cause is pointless.  If you want left leaning coverage, read the SMH / Age and watch the ABC.  If you want right leaning coverage, read the Australian and watch Sky News.  It all balances out and it is facile to claim one side gets better or worse treatment than the other.  Much as the media love to think they direct the debate, in the end they only reflect it.

    • Gregg says:

      12:23pm | 15/08/10

      All the media bias against Abbott will hopefully have a huge backfire with many undecided voters for whilst the decided liberal or labor voters take note in their own ways, it is the undecided that will be on the outlook more with thought not just on various claims and policies but like it or not what they see in the media and there’s the old Aussie attitude of not just support the underdog but particularly more so when there’s an unfair kicking going on.

      Tony won Oxford Blues against stronger opponents and so he knows what it is like to have to fight and fight well he has this time and that Aussie spirit is with him again.

      He will make a great PM.

    • BobM says:

      11:50am | 15/08/10

      I watched it too Joan. And you’re right, only one picture of Julia eating a pie. Heaps of derogatory Abbott cartoons and film clips. But the ABC is not biased, is it?

    • Meercat says:

      10:18am | 15/08/10

      NSW Government as popular as head lice…... love it! So true!

    • Rose says:

      10:04am | 15/08/10

      Here’s praying that he doesn’t. Australia cannot afford to have him as Prime Minister. We need the NBN, we need to humanize our approach to asylum seekers, we need to have a PM with some economic sense, we need to avoid his paid maternity leave and have safety net pml system, rather than one that pays some women up to $75,000 for 6 months while others get $15,000 (or less), we need the mining tax. Most importantly we need a PM with some moral scruples, and Abbott has none.

    • Gerard says:

      07:40pm | 15/08/10

      Wrong, Craig Baker; the last thing Australia needs is Conroy’s internet censorship scheme. Doesn’t matter how fast potential broadband speeds are if that thing’s slowing everything down just so that the government can decide what you can and can’t look at anyway.

    • Craig Baker says:

      05:26pm | 15/08/10

      The last thing Australian needs is a NBN that will be obsolete before completion. How exactly is an incremental improvement in broadband speed justified by the cost of the NBN.

    • Housewife49 says:

      05:20pm | 15/08/10

      A director of the RBA. Not THE Director. MCkibbin is just one of the members of the RBA Board.

      He was a principal adviser to defeated PM Howard, on economics and on climate change.

      His views, ideas and proposals aren’t sacred and are *his* views, not those of the RBA.

      A deficit of 2% or 3% of GDP is not a record. It suits the Liberals to pretend it is, but that doesn’t make it so.

    • Joan says:

      12:35pm | 15/08/10

      Gillard and `moral scruples`  none - ....... the greatest stunt by any Australian politician ....Gillard vowed loyalty to Rudd on camera to Australian people then knifed the peoples PM Rudd and excused and justified action by saying the people vote for the party not the PM.  Yet today she travels around the country saying the voter has a choice between her Gillard or Abbott.  Gillard the hypocrite with no moral scruples, who helped Labor to lose its way is not the type of person to lead the country.

    • Jones says:

      09:56am | 15/08/10

      my spirit is with you, but my money is on the other mob

    • Polywatcher says:

      09:56am | 15/08/10

      Anything would be better than a Labor - Greens combo.  Krudd & Joolya have done enough damage to this Country.  The recent pork barrelling alone is enough to cope with without it continuing for a further term. Good story David and I hope your prediction comes to fruition.

    • nosthow says:

      09:53am | 15/08/10

      If Abbott won what a shocker for Australia this would be. A backward looking, no policy PM - honestly Australia deserves so much better. Even his Broadband plan - if you could call it that, is just poor policy. No Penbo Labor will win because the good people of Australia simply dont trust the Mad Monk. The Rudd factor you refer to is not all that big here in Qld - people have simply got over it and Gillard has campaigned well here in Qld. And who would want a PM who everytime he goes to speak says “umm ummm ummmm” !

    • Gerard says:

      05:37pm | 15/08/10

      Actually, Australia doesn’t deserve better, it deserves whatever Orwellian nightmare it allows the Labor-Liberal-National cartel to create. Nothing is going to change as long as people continue to assist these parties in their efforts to remain the dominant political forces in Australia.

    • TC says:

      02:04pm | 15/08/10

      Maybe people dont trust Abbott but do you seriously think they trust Gillard?

      Im not sure about the Libs broadband plan but I am certain that $43BN NBN idea is the biggest waste of money Ive ever heard of.

      Only idiots vote on the basis of a speech impediment

    • paul says:

      09:48am | 15/08/10

      My hunch is that Gulia Jillard (no, not a typo it’s what I call her) is going to scrape in. Why do I say that? Just ‘a feeling’ I have and the fact that Mr Rabbot doesn’t come across very well. Julia always seems confident and smiling and more relaxed. Anyway, may the best of a bad bunch of schmucks win.

    • Joan says:

      12:23pm | 15/08/10

      The real Julia showed her real face on Laurie Oakes show. You bet Rudd has seen that look…...the real ugly look of a hypocrite , that vowed loyalty then knifed the peoples PM Rudd. We saw that look that Rudd saw on Oakes show today.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      09:42am | 15/08/10

      Oh Dear….I have a few reasons why Tony Abbott is not PM material

      1) He is a Sexist (against RU486, & Anti Abortion)

      2) He is Homophobic ( Tony Abbott whilst in Govt never supported LGBT law Reform unlike the RUDD GOVT that replaced 58 pieces of legislation against the LGBT community)

      21st C Australia will REJECT these offensive views.

      Bring on Saturday. TONY IS TOAST.

    • dwgw says:

      10:19pm | 16/08/10

      He has a right to his personal opinion, but dont forget he has a party to decide policy. He wont rule like the kitchen cabinet.

    • Super D says:

      04:37pm | 15/08/10

      Sorry Drew of Darlinghurst, you should try getting out of the inner city and into the outer suburban marginals where people’s votes actually count in this election.  While the inner city may well reject those views the outer suburbs most certainly do not.

    • Interested observer says:

      02:31pm | 15/08/10

      Poor Drew, I feel you are too obsessed with dogma to recognise that Tony Abbott is not a fanatic seeking to impose his beliefs on your life and liberty.
      I am not in favour of abortion as a replacement for effective contraception, particularly late term.  I am not in favour of RU486 being available as an over the counter “oops I don’t know what I did last night” remedy.  Am I a sexist?
      The responsibility of government is to make decisions on behalf of the country. 
      If you claim ideology will rule for the Coalition, how can you deny the class warfare conducted against the mining companies whose sin is to be a successful enterprise?
      How can you justify school leavers being unable to work for 2 hours instead of 3, because of a national award which is touted as being “fair”?
      Do you really believe that the great financial rescue did anything more than push up incomes for “tradies” with projects that are not value for our money?
      Don’t even mention “Work Choices” - employers in the real world of micro business are terrified of being dragged through the mire by claims of “unfair dismissal”.  Individual employment contracts benefited both companies and skilled employees by releasing them from the straightjacket of union controlled legislation.
      The Gillard government is taking no action to curb union thuggery - and this is a real threat to productivity.
      The danger to Australia is not from some imagined threat to your life choices, but that democracy will fail through corrupt voting blocs being bought and paid for to the detriment of our future.

    • MH says:

      12:59pm | 15/08/10

      People exaggerate the importance of ‘policy’ and undervalue competence.  ‘Policy’ from either side generally means grandiose motherhood statements with little focus on implementation and the actual viability of the idea.  What we’ve seen from Rudd, and now Gillard, are big claims and ideas but will any of them actually happen?  Where is our ETS?  Where is the better treatment and lot of indigenous people flowing from the vaunted ‘Sorry’.  Where is the increase in education standards flowing from the BER? And where, in 3 years time, will be the $2.1b rail link?  My guess is nowhere.  Abbott may not have made large policy announcements but irrespective of political leaning I would back his competence over a Gillard / Swan double act.  The only competent ministers the ALP had - Tanner and Faulkner - are gone.  We are left with the master of the BER and the economic genius who brought us the RSPT.

    • MH says:

      12:50pm | 15/08/10

      Saying it in capitals doesn’t make it so.  I suspect you overestimate the progressiveness of 21st century Australia outside of the inner city.  Large chunks of the country remain deeply conservative.  By this I don’t mean right-leaning, I simply mean resistant to change. If Gillard does win, it won’t be because of Abbott’s supposed homophobia or sexism, it will be because the conservative default setting at the polling booth is to stick with the status quo.  Labor is just not on the nose enough to be thrown out this time.  That is why of 44 state and federal referendums since 1906 only 8 have passed.

    • TimB says:

      09:29am | 15/08/10

      Here’s hoping you’re right Penbo. Honestly I don’t know, the polls are all over the place. One day it’s an Abbott win the next it’s Labor. I notice from the Telegraph this morning that we’re back to Abbott again.

      One thing is for sure though. Another 3 years of Labor incompetence like the last 3 years and Australia is screwed. Sure we’d probably punish them in the next election but it might be too late by then.

    • The Unpolled Punters. says:

      09:08am | 15/08/10

      There’s every possibility history will be made. The grey demographic for one is angry about things like Tim Mathieson’s red light running while availing himself of Gillard’s publicly funded vehicle. 
      The unforgivable team Gillard-Rudd policy that resulted in lives lost to gross pink batt incompetence is a memorable disgrace.  Mature observers remain mystified. Why didn’t the Prime Minister and his Deputy Gillard halt that programme at the first loss of life, when the first house burned to the ground? Why has there been no judicial inquiry?
      This is why Garrett has been kept under wraps. That pink batt project and its tragic outcomes are indelibly stamped on the Australian Labor government. and public disgust (and revenge) should not be under-estimated. 
      Even if Labor crawls over the line, they will be ongoing punished - electorates hath no fury like that for a weakened winner under a Judas leader. 
      The Judas Gillard factor simmers quietly away.  While there will be women who would vote for Gillard just because she is female, many circumspect women certainly do not approve of her style.  I heard the picture of Gillard laughing with Kenneally about the NSW rail line promise described as “two childish giggling hyenas” - and that from a Labor faithful.  I suspect more men would vote for a fit Abbott than follow a performing Gillard. 
      Australians resent their right to remove the incompetent Rudd-Gillard team having been unceremoniously removed by union bullies. 
      Incidentally, Judas’ team Bulldogs took a resounding thrashing last night.  Coincidence? That team fired the allegedly non-conforming team member Akermanis in similar style to Gillard’s Rudd dismissal.  Judas Gillard’s choice of hero (Barry Hall), prone to onfield aggression and team disadvantageous judgements,  is an astonishing role model for a Prime Minister.  Especially in light of Gillard’s unashamed use of innocent and impressionable children as campaign props. 
      The Bulldogs are doomed.  They have a political Judas on their team.

    • Slim says:

      09:02am | 15/08/10

      Wishful thinking, David?

    • John C says:

      08:52am | 15/08/10

      Vote early and vote often, ok, but don’t forget that, under the NSW Right, the dead also vote.

    • Seano says:

      08:40am | 15/08/10

      The coalition have not learnt their lesson from the disgusting attack on workers that was work"choices”. Abbott will bring it back rebadged.

      We also do not need a government that misuses the concept of government debt, the plight of refugees or one launches attacks on the most vulnerable in our society to score political points.

      Abbott has offered us nothing but uncosted fantasy and policy that he clearly will never implement such as taxing big business to fund social welfare.

      They have not learnt their lessons, they are not offering us an improvement on what we have and therefore the coalition deserves at least another term in opposition.

    • Seano says:

      07:42am | 17/08/10

      @Liam - glad we agree (with Joe Hockey) that work"choices” was bad for workers. If the abuses were “illegal” why didn’t the government act to stop them, you’re either wrong about the legality (my vote) or the government was implicit or incompetent.

      @Andy - so what? They are doing the right thing and phasing work"choices” out, seems like the sensible thing to do.

      @dwgw - I don’t think any system is perfect. But forcing low skill, low paid workers to negotiate on their own, forcing them to accept sign or walk contracts and stripping them of wages and conditions is hardly a balanced and fair system. It’s a system about taking advantage.

    • dwgw says:

      10:15pm | 16/08/10

      Seano…and you think Fair Work Australia is perfect instead? Tell that to the young workers in the Hardware shop who lost their jobs under that policy. But do the Laborites get upset about that? No there is no ability to have an Abbott bash in that problem.
      Workers entitlements are difficult to get right and surley workers should have the right to negotiate their own wages if they want to.

    • Andy says:

      04:59pm | 16/08/10

      You Labor guys rattle on about Work Choices but you don’t seem to realise that Labor hasn’t really got rid of it. They have deceived you party faithfuls very badly. Fact: workplace agreements made under WC are still in place and still valid today. Fact: EBA’s made under WC can continue on forever unchanged. Fact: unfair dismissal legislation is still not as harsh as it was prior to WC. Fact: the 5 minimum conditions under WC was expanded to 10 (big deal). Fact: the building industry commission you all hate so much is alive and well and Labor will never get rid of it. So go on believing the lie WC is dead - it’s alive and well and you have been well and truly deceived by the faceless men.

    • Reg says:

      03:19pm | 16/08/10

      Liam I cannot read what you have written to mean anything else but that WChoices or its implementation was so SLACK that the recalcitrant employers could do as they liked and the threatened employees were powerless to resist.

      You have in effect described the legislation as draconian, yet STILL you defend it..

    • Liam says:

      02:50pm | 16/08/10

      @Seano Yes…and your point is? I also know of plenty of people who lost wages and conditions who were given ultimatums to sign or told to walk. I was one of them. But what was at fault for that wasn’t the laws. It was the employers. The laws didn’t allow those employers to do that legally, but because workers were being given a false impression that it was legal, those employers were getting away with bloody murder.

    • Seano says:

      12:59pm | 16/08/10

      @TimB - spouting atypical right wing rhetoric and claiming to have voted labor is amusing if nothing else. Abbott was defending work"choices” last year champ, you keep pretending that work"choices” is “dead, buried, cremated”, but the concern that Abbott is paying lip service because there’s an election on is genuine and it’s not going away, especially when Abbott can give “no guarantees” about work place legislation.

      @Liam - yes of course if something doesn’t personally affect you then it’s not a problem. Yet the Liberal party had to use actors to promote the “benefits” of work"choices” where as the unions just got workers to tell their stories, and yet you’ve never heard someone adversely affected. It’s a tired line and it’s crap, talk to a few people in low paid manual jobs, I know of plenty of people who lost wages and conditions who were given ultimatums to sign or told to walk.

      @Macon Paine - yeah sure, no one is listening then why do you care?

      1) They have a policy to return to surplus and pay the debt look it up - I’m kind of bored with the pretence that governments should never go into debt. No wonder infrastructure went to pot under the libs, they were too busy pretending that the only thing you have to do to be a good economic manager is return a surplus.

      2) I agree the legislation wasn’t perfect and it was probably rushed but you cannot legislate against stupidity and greed. To blame Labor for employers putting profit before people when you conservatives said these same employers would look past the profit motive to look after people is funny, funny stuff dude.

      3) Yes as I’ve said repeatly Abbott has offered no real alternative, besides work"choices” he was a bad health minister (hospitals fixed were they, I know, I know it’s someone else’s fault when the libs are in power), he constantly attacks the most vulnerable in society to score political points (the unemployed, casual workers, refugees etc), he has out dated views on religion and women, he doesn’t have the skill, diplomacy, self control or common sense to represent us on the world stage. And worst of all you can’t trust him, he’s basically admitted he’ll say what ever to win the argument but unless it’s scripted it doesn’t mean anything. Australia deserves better.

    • Macon Paine says:

      10:16am | 16/08/10

      @ Seano
      Your needle is stuck in the groove. Workchoices is dead, buried and cremated. Your Workchoices bogeyman isn’t scaring anyone who can think for themselves. Which is probably why, as TimB pointed out, your becoming more and more hysterical the closer we get to the election.
      Just a few points:
      1) Ok avoiding a recession is good, whats the plan to pay back the debt? Or are they just going to leave it to someone else?
      2) Im not interested in the “spirit” of Garretts legislation. People died, houses burnt down and money was rorted from the tax payers. This was because the legislation was half baked, ill conceived, not properly implemented and led to the demotion/banishment of Garrett. Not to mention the fact that more taxpayers money now has to be spent to go and check all homes given insulation under the scheme! The legislation was a failure on virtually all fronts. It may have had good intentions (and im sure it did, it wasn’t a bad idea) but good intentions are the greatest cop out of all.
      3) I can see your not going to let up on the workchoices line. Your clinging to it like white on rice. Do you have anything else against Abbott and the Liberals or is that it? Seriously?

    • Liam says:

      10:03am | 16/08/10

      I have to admit, I still don’t see what was wrong with WorkChoices myself. I’ve not heard a single complaint about WorkChoices that can be attributed to the law or the systems it set up. Every single complaint I’ve heard was just an example of a bad employer who took advantage of people’s fear and lack of knowledge of how the law worked to give them a raw deal (and did so in a manner which was illegal under the WorkChoices laws). How is WorkChoices at fault for people who broke its laws in screwing over employees? Frankly, if anyone’s at fault, it’s the unions who ran the big scare campaign against it, which led to hard done by workers believing what their employers were doing was legal and not fighting back legally as they should have.

    • TimB says:

      09:19am | 16/08/10

      Generalising again Seano. You don’t know me or any other “conservatives” despite your insistence on tarring us all with the same brush.
      I have voted Labor in the past. I was burned, badly. They have shown themselves to be completely incompetent at all levels of government.

      If (and it’s a big if at this point) they can prove they can handle goverment competently and not shove idiotic, economy destroying policies down my throat, they might have a chance of getting my vote again. Until that time I’m going to stick with the party that delivers.

      But hey, if it makes you feel good about yourself to keep voting for words over substance, be my guest.

    • Seano says:

      09:01am | 16/08/10

      @TC - They avoided a recession which would have cost many thousands jobs and homes.

      @Jason - The government didn’t kill anyone, greedy business owners who exploited an opportunity without concern to the risks to employees or clients killed people. The spirit of the legislation was about stimulating the economy, reducing people’s bills and helping the environment. Funny how the same business people who supposedly were going to look after workers under work"choices” when presented an opportunity to make a quick buck their only interest is in making cash. Greed and profits before people. And these people were going to look after their workers? This is why “work"choices” is a real issue whilst ever one of it’s architects and chief supports is being offered as alternative PM of this country.

      @PaulB - People were faced with sign or walk deals, they lost wages and conditions. It was great for business and awful for workers. I have no problem with businesses being able to fire lay abouts but those laws weren’t about fixing some imbalance in work place relations they were about handing all power in the relationship to employers. The coalition were deservedly sacked because of that piece of averice.

      @Ben - Laughable. Take wagers and conditions away from workers and give them the “choice” of signing or walking and apparently workers are whingers for not sucking it up. This sort of stupid attitutde towards real people is why you lot were sacked last time.


      @TimB - Oh give it a rest. Abbott has repeatedly defended work"choices” well after they were sacked, he called it the Howard government’s greatest acheivement. It’s in his book and he’s never apologised for it,  therefore he still believes in it.

      Abbott has not offered a better alternative to what we have and his baggage is something that cannot be ignored. Therefore my position is better than yours because I would seriously consider a small L liberal party whereas despite rhetoric you would never consider the Labor party.

    • Reg says:

      08:57am | 16/08/10

      Ben81;    “...that Tony Abbott has the luxury of free speech on the issue.” 

      So you think TA has been denied the privelage of free speech?
      Surely you exaggerate. From the party who in power used taxpayer funds to purchase favourable comment in every rural newspaper in the country.

      Perhaps you are confusing free speech with his unwillingness or inability to elaborate on his intentions. You have forgotten that JH took the same path and no doubt having had the benefit of the wisdom of JH, the Abbott is hard put following his instructions.

    • Reg says:

      08:34am | 16/08/10

      That’s interesting TC. So you think the Liberals LOST the election by bringing in WChoices? Not that Labor offered the electorate the opportunity to deal it a death blow?

      It’s interesting how you continually choose the negative position TC. Perhaps this is a flaw that is common to Liberals as Mr Abbott has been accused of the same thing? I think you attitude may have just clarified the term, “moving forward.”

    • TimB says:

      06:53pm | 15/08/10

      Seano, the more you whine about Workchoices thet more hysterical you sound. Abbott was one of the few Howard government ministers to OPPOSE it, but you keep ignoring this fact.

      You reckon that your position is somehow better than people on this side of politics but it’‘s quite the opposite. You vote purely based on ideology and things that might happen in whatever scenario your own mind has envisaged.
      We’re voting on actual practical results. There’s some Liberal policies I disagree with, but I KNOW that the Liberals have a much better track record on delivering what they promise compared to Labor.

      I’d rather vote for a government that whilst not perfect, actually works, as opposed to a government that is completely hopeless.

    • Ben81 says:

      06:05pm | 15/08/10

      Good Seano, I hope it does come back in a similar form and the hysteria has died down about it enough by the next election that Tony Abbott has the luxury of free speech on the issue.  What a ridiculous amount of jumping up and down and screaming over nothing at all.  It’s a policy that worked and proved the unions fearmongering wrong, the extent that it is being absolutely demonised by certain people as if it was some kind of catastrophic event is a joke.

    • Seano says:

      03:32pm | 15/08/10

      Abbott helped introduce work"choices”.
      Abbott supported work"choices” well after the electorate decided it was dead, cremated, buried.
      Abbott supported work"choices” in “Battlelines”.
      Abbott claims it is a dead issue, but then says he can give no guarantees.

      The bloke has supported work"choices” to the hilt. He cynically pays lip service to the idea that work"choices” is dead in face of a hostile reaction from voters which says a lot about the sort of person he is. The pretence that Abbott’s lip service means anything says alot about your average conservative punter.

      Work"choices” is a part of Abbott’s idealogy it hasn’t gone away. Anyone who votes for Abbott logically risks work"choices”.

    • PaulB says:

      03:20pm | 15/08/10

      Can someone tell me just what was so catastrophic about Workchoices?  It was excellent for sacking layabouts, compo hunters and pilferers by all accounts.

    • Jason says:

      02:15pm | 15/08/10

      Workchoices is gone and you can’t handle that because you have nothing else.
      Anyway, I can’t remember Workchoices killing 4 Australians or burning down 150+ homes. 
      Oh and yes they are offering us an improvement…it’s called the ability to actually implement a policy on time and within budget.  Should try it sometime.

    • TC says:

      01:50pm | 15/08/10

      You may be right to some extent that the Libs deserve another term iin opposition but it’s not oppositions who win but incumbents who lose elections. Labor didnt win the last one, Liberal lost it

      Seriously mate, what have Labor done to “deserve’ another term in office. Near as i can tell they’ve done just about everything humanly possible to lose

    • Ben81 says:

      01:20pm | 15/08/10

      “We also do not need a government that misuses the concept of government debt, the plight of refugees or one launches attacks on the most vulnerable in our society to score political points. “

      Well there’s Labor out of the picture. 
      And 2007 called, it wants its scare campaign back.

    • Cat says:

      08:40am | 15/08/10

      I wish I could believe in this outcome - but I don’t. Labor is going to win because so much has been made of the gender factor and the ‘the PM lives here’ and ‘the PMs parents live here’. Far too many people will vote on those irrelevant issues - and yes, they are irrelevant.  They say Boothby will be won by Labor because Gillard’s parents live in the electorate. What has that to do with running the country? Nothing - but people will vote that way for that reason.
      These unthinking voters will cancel out any gains elsewhere even if the Morgan-Gallop results are out of kilter.
      The sooner this agony is over the better but I will be wishing I could hibernate for the next three years!

    • Pete says:

      08:28am | 15/08/10

      My money’s still on the pork barrel as being the winner.

    • Steve says:

      09:59am | 16/08/10

      With Coalition currently outspending Labor, just not building anything.

      When will we get past the pork barrel (as no one should believe either of them anyway) and look to intent. 

      The damage from a decade of Howard cannot be undone in a single term, in Health and Education alone.  Maybe next term the pendulum would have swung enough to need to be balanced, but not yet.  We need to remove some State Labor (QLD, NSW, VIC) not the Federal one.

      Abbott needs to lose just so Howard can be let to Rest in Peace.  Never to once again be resurrected (in any form).

    • Sylmobile says:

      08:15am | 15/08/10

      Ah, Penbo! 

      I will stick my neck out of the other side of this election train and tip a Labor win - with an increased majority.

    • Jason says:

      01:40pm | 15/08/10

      I’ll stick my neck out even further Sylmobile and give you 10-1 on an increased majority.
      Labor should win due to the imbeciles in Victoria, but with a far reduced majority.  You haven’t obviously been to Qld or WA recently.

    • Rosie says:

      08:04am | 15/08/10

      Thanks again David! Exactly what is needed when we have only 6 sleeps to make up our minds!

      Congratulations for having the guts to give us your choice and the reasons.

      The first time I thought that Tony Abbott had a real good chance was on the ABC Q&A when the question was asked how could Gillard know anything about children when she didn’t have any of her own. Naturally she went about answering it in her usual impressive way but to me it wasn’t good enough and like the Rooty Hill RSL Forum audience it also didn’t convince the male person asking the question. Unfortunately this wasn’t pointed out by the media and more was said about the question and Julia Gillard’s answer on Mark Latham. Like me he looked like Australia was his adopted country and came from a country where not having children is not heard of and if you can’t have children you adopt one from a close relative that cannot financially afford to take care of the child.

      Then came the Rooty Hill RSL Forum where it was all about the people and not about the two leaders contesting for high office. The real questions were asked by real people and they were determined to get real answers. The two leaders for once were wary of an audience that wasn’t afraid to make their judgement after what they saw and heard.

      I’m hoping Tony Abbott wins because the one thing I look forward to, come every election is when the winner Labor or Lib comes out with his wife and children to make his winning speech to the nation!

    • Ben says:

      06:37pm | 16/08/10

      Great comment Rosie. ‘Reg’, you might be old, but, based on your illogical comment, I’m not sure you’re got any particular high level of wisdom going for you. Tony Abbott know’s a heck of a lot more than the current PM, even if he only has daughters. Julia is two dimensional in comparison.

    • Reg says:

      07:59am | 16/08/10

      Rosie you disappoint me. Your remarks about having children or not, are so immature I can only guess you’re not old, like I am. 

      I am also surprised that you have not separated out the silly detail that Abbott only has daughters and is not old, so could not possibly understand the problems of those with sons or anyone older than he.  Is this an illustration of the depth of thinking of the average Liberal Rosie?  Sorry dear, fail.

    • BobM says:

      02:16pm | 15/08/10

      Yeah, that’s right Rosie. All Julia will have with her is her hairdresser and a few union thugs, smiling and nooding while they plan how to really screw us.

    • Chris Lehmann says:

      07:58am | 15/08/10

      a brave call penbo. but i think you are right. i certainly hope you are right.
      tony abbott should be given kudos for the way in which he has put the coalition into this position, within striking distance of government. 

      in a calculated and thoughtful way, he
      A ) united the party and re-engaged with its base
      B)  attacked the governments policies at odds with the base, and drew attention to their poor record for delivering on their promises
      C)  reminded the public of the “good things” of the howard years they had taken for granted and were now in danger of slipping away
      D)  ditched the policies that were the “bad things” of the howard government (on the judgement of the electorate), whilst at the same time acknowledging that whilst he supported them in government he would respect the judgement of the people

      He has stayed true his own convictions, whilst at the same time listening to the electorate and his own party.  This is “conviction politician” meets “real politik” in a very nuanced and delicate balancing act.  AND…... he has played the ball and not the man (in most part), unlike the labor party.

      a bit like John Howard, you may not like him, but you at least know what he is and what he stands for.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      07:52am | 15/08/10

      Big call Penbo…I agree with the 7pm Project and Q&A crowd aren’t swayed to Gillard from any appearance there, as they’re already likely to vote for her anyway.
      I think another risk factor for the ALP, is the protest vote (whatever part of it doesn’t go to the greens)... the more people assume the ALP will win (as has been reported widely the last few days), the greater proportion of protest vote will be counted.
      Katter et al have already stated (rather ambiguously, but directly enough) that they’d form government with the Libs/Nats.

    • Fed says:

      07:50am | 15/08/10

      David,

      You are a very brave man and I only hope you turn out to be correct. If you are wrong, you will be belted hard, If you are right, drop in for a beer

    • Jason says:

      07:38am | 15/08/10

      “Victoria is obviously proud of it’s PM”....
      I’m obviously missing something here.  Then again, I don’t spend all day in the western suburbs, at pokies venues, bottleshops or centrelinks… Yep, we’re so proud of her alright.

    • Norbert says:

      04:35pm | 15/08/10

      Hey, leave us Westies alone. bad enough what happened to the Doggies last night without bringing up pokies joints etc.

      And don’t forget that the good citizens of Altona recorded a 14% swing against Brumby at the by-election six months ago. That’s one reason why the Victoria poll numbers are very hard to swallow. Very hard indeed.

    • Tarzan says:

      07:22am | 15/08/10

      Well based on my road trips meeting 5 customers per day over the last 6 months I have not had one single person say they would vote Labor. None of my friends are, none of my family are. So where are all these Labor voter?

    • Grant says:

      10:43am | 16/08/10

      On the other hand, pretty much everybody I know is claiming they’ll vote for the Greens or the ALP. It’s going to come down to who you are, and who your peers are - using your own personal experience as a barometer of public sentiment will never achieve anything - except allow you to blindly claim you’re right.

    • Gregg says:

      11:00pm | 15/08/10

      busbill, the bookies just set their odds based on what they’re taking and so all that means is there have been plenty of Labor sods either too pissd or stupid to be placing early bets and/or the Labor machine going in heavy in an attempt to influence, or maybe all just a bit cocky.
      Between you me and the gatepost matey, get on the Libs for a real killing while you can.

    • Z says:

      10:31pm | 15/08/10

      @Bussbill
      do you include western australia?
      Imm sure they got it wrong there.
      I may be wrong.
      but then again I dont gamble about silly things.

    • Bussbill says:

      06:37pm | 15/08/10

      All above are forgetting one thing, the bookmakers who have predicted the outcome correctly for the elections since day dot have Labor as favourites quite comfortably. They dont give away money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • BobM says:

      02:11pm | 15/08/10

      I’ve got 3 sisters who will vote Greens   :-(  They only see the warm fuzzy, save the planet stuff and don’t realise they are gambling with Australia’s future. I’m sure there are plenty out there who think like this, or will vote for Julia because she is a woman.
      Hopefully the polls are right about the Libs. This week should be interesting tho…..

    • Slim says:

      12:41pm | 15/08/10

      Funny that. I have exactly the same experience. Not had one single person say they would vote Labor. None of my friends are, none of my family are. Guess it all depends on whom we associate. Or maybe people will agree just to avoid conflict or embarrassment.

    • xyz says:

      12:27pm | 15/08/10

      I’ll be voting Labor!

    • tomi says:

      07:13am | 15/08/10

      1. The NSW Government isn’t Federal Labour. People just aren’t that dumb
      2. Nobody here in QLD liked Kevin either
      4. The Liberals have run a flat, do nothing and don’t fuck up campaign. Labour has the time warp ad.
      My prediction, an overall .2% swing to Labour, Labour will pick up 2 seats

    • antman says:

      12:41pm | 16/08/10

      Ha, Gerard! How is that egg that is all over your face tasting? Go back tot he top of the page and check Penbo’s numbering of his points.

    • Philip Crowley says:

      06:37pm | 15/08/10

      tomi, that’s Labor. Labour is the party that absolutely stuffed England. Based on your post, I don’t hold much hope for your ‘brave’ prediction.

    • Gerard says:

      05:07pm | 15/08/10

      1, 2, 4?

      Obviously Labor’s ‘Education Revolution’ policy isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

    • Joe Blow says:

      02:59pm | 15/08/10

      I’m with Tomi .... I’ve also backed Cronulla, West Coast Eagles and teh Wallabies ..... lol

    • rob says:

      06:54am | 15/08/10

      I certainly hope your prediction is correct ,because if labor win this election we will all be living in caves ,drinking water from a stream and going to bed when the sun goes down ,as no one will afford anything better

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      06:22am | 15/08/10

      Not sure I agree with point 4 - the Libs running a better campaign. Abbott seems to have dropped his go-for-the-throat attitude right when it would be most useful.

      1. Gillard has been wandering around saying that Abbott is going to revive Workchoices. He won’t because he said flat-out that the legislation will not be touched in the first term and if he wants to change it he will take it to the people in the following election, but I’m not sure that is getting through. He should preface every response to any question with ‘‘Workchoices is dead, btw ...’‘

      2. On the NBN, Abbott needs to wheel out someone with real technical knowledge to counter the fact that he appears totally ignorant and totally disinterested. Their plan is actually quite reasonable although not as good as Labor’s. Perhaps explain that we could afford it if Gillard and Rudd hadn’t wasted upwards of $30 Billion on shonky insulation, overpriced school sheds and plasma bonuses to foreigners and dead people. He should also get into the habit of finishing every interview with a reminder that it is Labor who are going to censor the internet like China do, not the Liberals.

      3. Qld and NSW labor *are* on the nose and Abbott should really be hammering that point home. Use examples and ask the people whether they want the same sort of policies and people in Canberra.

      4. Emphasise the role of the union heavies in removing Rudd and get the scare campaign going. Convince people that they won’t be voting for Gillard, they’ll be voting for Arbib, Shorten and a bunch of backroom socialists from the far-left unions.

      5. He absolutely must remind people that a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor.

      6. It might take 20 years to fill the MCG with people arriving on boats. It takes 6 MONTHS to fill it with their relatives who promptly follow them over.

    • Russ says:

      03:37pm | 15/08/10

      Just a few points:
      1) Any mention of Workchoices is a bad idea; the policy is poison and Tony has no credibility in denying he wants to bring it back - even if it is clear that he won’t be able to bring it back next term.
      2) The Liberals need to find a way to break up the Telstra monopoly in order to beat the NBN. As it is, they just look silly.
      3) Every time Western Sydney comes up, the ALP does something stupid. Still, most people can figure out the difference between State and Federal. Focus on policies like the railway, East Timor, etc.
      4) Rudd was removed by the ALP’s right-wing. Arbib, Shorten, etc are hardly far-left. Still, they are the ugly face of Labour.
      5) A vote for the Greens is a vote for the Greens. Who you preference is up to you. And if you are voting Green, you’re hardly a dyed-in-the-wool Liberal voter.
      6) Boat people are a distraction, and of all people, the most likely to be genuine refugees. Your call is complete bull. If you want to cut immigration you have to look at the education programs, skilled migration, etc.

    • BobM says:

      02:06pm | 15/08/10

      Point 4. I wonder if Julia woill have to fall on her sword if she loses on Saturday? Do you think the Union heavies will let her keep the job?  Could be interesting who they’ll put on the pedestal next.

    • Biteme says:

      01:38pm | 15/08/10

      Point 6 is what concerns me most; If these people are being persecuted how can they leave their families. I would never leave my family at risk. In fact if Australia was suffering internal conflict I would stay and fight for what I believed in. I wouldn’t run away.

    • Trajan says:

      06:18am | 15/08/10

      It could change on one single comment, however….. .
      Has Julia earned right to govern?  Her sense of entitlement might just grate with enough Australians.
      Abbot hasn’t pulled up any trees, a determination on his part, to mainly keep above the backbiting, will we have from Abbot a late deluge of policies?

      Not likely, Abbot is keeping his cards close to his chest, it will come down to trust, thus Abbot wins it.

      Skeptocats.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:34pm | 19/08/10

      Fehowarth: The Liberals have been pretty open with which programs they will cut.
      And as far as education is concerned, a lot of teachers are very disillusioned with the plans that Gillard has for education.  They very much represent a step backwards in time, and show no understanding of what actually is going on in the modern classroom.
      You can talk about Abbot slashing computers for schools, but equally Gillard cut broadband connections for schools, making her computers fairly useless.  Gillard ignored teachers’ calls for debate and negotiation on curriculum and reporting, and managed to publicly denigrate teachers in the process.
      I’ve got to say that I have never known so many teachers who are planning to vote Liberal as in this election.

    • Ryan says:

      04:02pm | 16/08/10

      @fehowarth: I will be happy with him throwing out the garbage ETS charges we are now being blessed with on our electricity bills. We are paying for this garbage idea even though the ETS didn’t go through.. Merely for that reason and the other ever spiraling costs and reduction in standard of living over the past three years thanks to Labor I will be voting to toss these incompetent boobs out on the sidewalk.

    • fehowarth says:

      08:22am | 16/08/10

      What I would like to see is Mr. Abbott do is to produce a list of all Labor programmes he is intending to slash.  We need to no how much waste as well as savings he will create by slashing the programmes.  What I do not understand why anyone would replace programmes that are nearing the end of their life.  This includes many of the education simulation programmes.  Mr. Abbott should or does know that computers in schools includes interactive white boards, cameras and many other electronic aids.  I suggest parents go along to their children’s school and see for themselves what has happened over the last couple of years.  The improvement was much more than buildings.  Mr. Abbott’s education is rebirthing many of Mr. Howard’s education policies.  He is placing a lot of faith in parent groups to run the system. He would have to set up new Federal bureaucrats to supervise his new endeavours.  Mr. Abbott’s policies in this election are wasteful in the extreme.  His rationale appears to get rid of everything Labor put in place.  Please do not let him throw the baby with the bathwater.

    • Pelle says:

      06:05am | 15/08/10

      Having read the editorial in today’s Sunday Telegraph, it is patently clear that this vehicle is the voice of the Labor Party.
      I also believe that creating the impression that Labor will lose is deliberately designed to sway any undecided swinging voter to perhaps not register a protest vote.
      This cunning strategy has worked at previous elections, however I hope that this time voters won’t be fooled.

    • PaulB says:

      03:16pm | 15/08/10

      The interference in elections by rich media proprietors of questionable National loyalties is a glaring feature of American elections.  Its no surprise to see its become commonplace here.

    • BobM says:

      02:03pm | 15/08/10

      @Chris Deal - Have you changed your name from Real to Deal? I can understand tho, as you probably don’t want to be assocoiated with the ‘Real” Julia.

    • preciouspress says:

      01:53pm | 15/08/10

      Anyone who can seriously suggest that the Telegraph is ‘the voice of the Labor Party’ must be chronically delusional. One would have to suppose that Piers Akermann and Andrew Bolt are the pinko commanders of this left wing propaganda sheet.

    • Chris Deal says:

      01:36pm | 15/08/10

      “Only the true Messiah denies his divinity”

      “Well what sort of chance does that give me? All right, I am the Messiah!”

      “HE IS! HE IS THE MESSIAH!”

      Great theory.

    • Ros says:

      04:10am | 15/08/10

      On polling day, the average Australian will find they can’t really bring themselves to vote for Abbott as PM.  And I have to disagree that the Liberals have run a better campaign.  It’s entirely negative and without vision and full of policy and costing gaps. I know who looks more prime ministerial and who I would be embarassed representing Australia on the world stage.  Tony Abbott makes the average Australian cringe.  The only reason I can believe he has any support at all is because the opinion polls report it; I have yet to come across anyone who actually thinks he would make a good PM.

    • Northern Steve says:

      07:37pm | 19/08/10

      Roja,
      How on earth is the NBN actually going to make it easier to see a doctor or specialist?  There are no more specialists than there are now, they won’t have shorter appointment times.

    • Roja says:

      11:02pm | 17/08/10

      @Seano - I’m with you - I had hoped Nelson would stuff this election, then I could vote 1 turnbull in the next election for the same workchoices reasons.  It was an unannounced “dream” of Howards, for which liberals need to be punished.  I couldn’t look servo attendants in the eyes knowing they earned standard rates for the midnight to dawn shift. 

      I’d also add the NBN is the issue that drives my current labor chanting.  “Wireless” as a solution is idiocy beyond comprehension.  I know the “it’s to download movies” line, but that is such a moronic view - I originally come from the country where my mum tells me 4-6 week waiting periods to see a doctor has become standard (forget about specialists).  Given a choice of seeing a doctor by video link or dying of an aneurysm waiting for a doctors appointment, I know which one I would take.

    • Seano says:

      09:21am | 16/08/10

      @Philip Crowley - Ah yeah champ - and yet I’m extremely likely to vote Liberal in NSW (unless they have some overtly offensive policy in which case I’ll vote Dems). I actually like Turnbull, I was just disappointed he made so many mistakes, particularly email gate. I’m hoping he gets another tilt when Abbott is sent packing and if not Hockey presents more of a small l liberal party for next time round in which case I will consider them.

      I am vocally and passionately anti Liberal this time around because of 3 main reasons that supercede any dissatisfaction with the ALP:
      1) If we return the LNP to office so soon then work"choices” is not dead. Just on the strength of what they did with work"choices” they deserve another term in opposition to get rid of the Abbotts and ensure that they understand that work"choices” is “dead, buried, cremated” and aren’t just paying lip service because there’s an election on.

      2) The libs haven’t offered us a serious alternative. Uncosted promises and pie in the sky, never to be implemented schemes like paid maternity (Abbott will never actually tax business to fund social welfare) don’t cut it. The dog whistle bullsh!t on refugees has lowered the standards on both sides and Abbott’s latest on this, a phone direct from the patrol boats to the PM is laughable stupid.

      3) Tony Abbott.

    • acotrel says:

      07:48am | 16/08/10

      ’ Labors campain is about attacking Tony Abbott personally, along with ‘doctored’ up facts.’

      Is that how you can rationalise voting for an idiot to become our PM? I suggest you’ve put ideology before common sense!

    • acotrel says:

      07:43am | 16/08/10

      Libbos are big with the wishful thinking?  If an Abbott government ever does anything about infrastructure, it’ll be a big first for the Liberal Party!  Scott Morrison has already said that improved infrastructure ‘will be a long time coming’ in our capital cities!  He obviously doesn’t see himself as part of the problem?

    • Greg says:

      10:50pm | 15/08/10

      Ruth, The C.O. of Ruthven barracks has already made a speech to her regular and reserve troops saying if Labor is re elected the will be moved out of their barracks, which will then be used to house illegal immigrants. She has warned it will happen quickly and the troops must be ready.
      The top brass have now gone on a witch hunt to find out how these leaks are occuring. Yes 162 personall in Darwin have been told to be ready as well.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      08:26pm | 15/08/10

      I’m an average Australian and Tony Abbott does not make me cringe.

    • Elphaba says:

      07:25pm | 15/08/10

      I consider myself pretty average, and I voted for the Libs (pre-polled, I’m working on election day).

      I cannot, in good conscience, support a party who insists a price on carbon is the way we tackle climate change.  I couldn’t vote for the Greens, because their policies are pie-in-the-sky ridiculous.  In the end, Penbo said it - the Libs ran a better campaign.

      Nt even the fact that Julia lacks religious beliefs was enough.  Labor had their chance and they blew it in spectacular style.  Move over.

    • Philip Crowley says:

      06:14pm | 15/08/10

      Ros; Seano: It wouldn’t matter if George Clooney was standing as the Liberal candidate, you would both find him grossly offensive. If Julia Gillard was a Liberal candidate you would revile her. Like the right wing bloggers, you are extremely partisan and tribal. Thankfully, both the far left and far right are small minorities, though both are very vocal. Most of the rest of us reside somewhere around the centre and have a liking for effective and efficient small governments that allow us to peacefully exist in a free society while being careful managers of our hard earned tax dollars. Any party that can deliver that will get my vote.

    • Rae says:

      05:54pm | 15/08/10

      Ros please extract your head and take a look outside the sand,  you have to be kidding I cannot listen to that woman speak nor have her represent Australia Globally she is an absolute disgrace.

      I sure as hell do not want an Atheist Prime Minister we are still a Christian country!  ?Prime Minister Gillard supposedly proposing the ‘Education Revolution’  needs a course in English Grammar!

      Australia being run by Unionists, Factions and Socialists!

      Have you also heard the proposal on the back burner while the election campaign is running the LABOR Govt.  is planning to move out Defence Force families from their homes in NSW to make way for Detainees!

      ?I am absolutely disgusted, whilst OUR Australian Forces are fighting for OUR Country the ALP is planning to move their families from their homes!  I believe they are planning to do this in Darwin!

      Where is the media on this?  The print and TV Media have a lot to answer for!

    • Bruce3 says:

      05:10pm | 15/08/10

      Ros: Can not agree with you. Labors campain is about attacking Tony Abbott personally, along with ‘doctored’ up facts. You need to get out and about, labor is on the nose particularly amonst ordinary australians. I would be embarrased if left wing Joolya was australias PM,  in my opinion she is a ‘red’ cringe.

    • Seano says:

      03:43pm | 15/08/10

      Typical of conservatives, a Labor supporter is paid, a Liberal supporter is genuine. And the colour of the sky in your world is?

      Ros is correct there are many, many people who may be dissatisfied with Labor this time around but when it comes down to it they wont be able to bring themselves to vote for Tony Abbott. Women, workers, immigrants, secularists, unemployed, casual workers, people who remembered his role in work"choices”,  people who remember what he did to the hospitals, people who are sick of middle class welfare, people who are concerned about his ability to manage the economy when even the Libs are sure of him etc. It’s these people who see Abbott as unelectable who will save Australia from a disasterous early return to Howard era politics.

    • Super D says:

      03:12pm | 15/08/10

      Ros while you may cringe at the thought of Abbott PM that view is certainly not shared by the Australian public.  I’m guessing Howard made you cringe too and he sure won a few elections.

    • I think and I vote says:

      03:05pm | 15/08/10

      Have you seen any Labor costings this election? No?  That’s cos they aren’t releasing any.  Oh and by the way of the 132 promises in the 2007 election only 23 were costed (And they weren’t the BER, Pink Batts stuff up or the NBN either.)

    • Shockadelic says:

      03:00pm | 15/08/10

      You’re not voting for “Abbott as PM”. You’re (supposed to be) voting for the *party platform*.
      Considering the rate that parties are ditching their leaders lately, the Coalition PM could end up being any number of people, likewise with Labor.
      This is a multi-party democracy. There are more than 2 parties on the ballot paper.

    • neil says:

      02:41pm | 15/08/10

      Ros’s, I’m an average Australian and Julia Gillard makes me cringe, with her fake nasaly twang that she developed as a union lawyer. People that knew her at Adelaide University say her real accent is more like Alexander Downers.

      Everything abouit her is fake, she wouldn’t stand a chance on an international stage with real politicians.

    • Phil says:

      01:11pm | 15/08/10

      Maree. The white board in Ros’s office probably shows an Abbott victory, but she cant let anyone know about the real facts

    • Maree says:

      12:17pm | 15/08/10

      I think you should get out from your ALP office and speak to some people in the street.

    • Gregg says:

      03:35am | 15/08/10

      I would not disagree with that prediction David and there is actually more to support it.
      Queensland is not so much or just anti Labor because of the Rudd business but just as much on the nose as NSW Labor ourely because of performance, there being simmering distaste re council amalgamations that was supposed to offer up better performing councils when everybody has seen is significant rate rises along with assett sell offs, electricity price rises and a general malaise for Labor.
      I also agree with you re Victoria and South Australia and in fact I’d expect there are many Victorians wealthy and knowledgeable enough to know that all is not so rosy on the financial management scene and that a lot of spending on credit has to be repayed sometime and that will affect future taxes and services.
      If Tony has been briefed with greater detail on such matters as the NBN alternative and comes through Mondays Q&A relatively untroubled, that ought to give him some momentum throughout the week.
      The NBN is obviously a complex issue, one that could be debated at length but there are other infrastructure priorities for the country we could be focusing billions of funding on.

    • antman says:

      12:28pm | 16/08/10

      Tony, are the Packers Labor voters? I’d never have guessed that!

    • Tony says:

      07:55am | 16/08/10

      @ Bussbill

      That’s because it is mostly Labor supporters betting. The rest of us know that gambling is like a tax on people who can’t count, since he bookies always win in the long run.

    • backseatelvis says:

      07:38am | 16/08/10

      hey bussbill,
      you’re right, but they take their 15% out of the pool before they pay out. they wont lose a cent.

    • Gregg says:

      10:50pm | 15/08/10

      Evan,
      The Howard Liberals first had the task of getting the nations finances somewhere near being on an even keel after Labor had put us so much into debt.
      There is a recognition by some that it is not always best to live on credit and I agree that once approaching surplus budgets they were moving in the right direction with establishment of the Infrastructure Fund, a fund now virtually depleted by Labor efforts of the past three years.
      And I agree, it’ll take strong government to look at massive natural water harvesting projects, a far better approach than desalination or the NBN and something that will have potentially significant returns for decentralisation, reducing the carbon footprint, water in the Murray, floods mitigation and even indigenous training/employment.
      Someone needs to think as broadly as several times the Snowy. 

      Seeing as you nominate the Abbott government, perhaps they’ll not be as dimwitted as you feel!

    • John L says:

      10:09pm | 15/08/10

      I have been reading about Motorola and others putting big money into 4G-LTE wireless broadband that is giveing 100Mbps speeds and has been put into places around the US by At&t and other big players.
      Like I said i am no tech head but i ask the question why is Testra doing trials and the Labor party blocking Testra from the 700mh need for proper test here.Just search Motorola 4G LTE Test

    • Jason says:

      08:54pm | 15/08/10

      Bussbill, does that include the 1999 Victorian election??  Labor 11-1 from memory….

    • Evan Findlay says:

      07:37pm | 15/08/10

      Gregg.
      Why wasn’t these so called “infrastructure priorities ” addressed during the twelve years of the Howard government? And under the dimwitted Abbott government why would we expect anything more?

    • Bussbill says:

      06:40pm | 15/08/10

      You forget the bookmakers have Labor as warm favourites and have been correct with elections since day dot !!!!! They dont give away money !!!!!!!!!

    • Philip Crowley says:

      06:00pm | 15/08/10

      The massive elephant in the room being the ancient link to US based servers. Our net will be no faster until that is replaced. It is going to be like using an inverted funnel, heaps of capacity at the bottom fed by a tiny little tube on top.

 

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