Sitting in the Norrkoping campus of the Linkoping University, Sweden, southwest of Stockholm, I am overwhelmed with a sense of wonder that the sun has begun setting at 1 pm. It will be dark by 3.30.

Leader of Sweden Democrats Jimmie Aakesson celebrating the party's first election wins. Photo: AFP

Though a clear, sunny day, snow is forecast for this evening and there is a type of cold that would make most Australians shiver.

In the corridors here, one of the central topics of conversation amongst staff and students is the rise of the far right, anti-immigration party – the Sweden Democrats – that received 5.7 percent of the votes and gained 20 seats in Parliament. Their motto, “responsible immigration policies” for Sweden is, according to one of my colleagues here, a euphemism for limiting Muslim migrants.

Many Swedes are in disbelief that such a party would take hold and it is a conversation that I join in carefully. In these discussions they proudly talk of the liberal attitudes reflected across the country: yes, there are problems, they say, but we all know what happens when you start signalling one minority group.

This rise of the Swedish right reflects a trend that is occurring across Europe riding on the back of anti-immigration rhetoric: Netherlands, Belgium, Hungary and Germany. Reading the tealeaves of her own demise, German Chancellor, Angela Merkal, to announce that ‘multiculturalism has utterly failed’.  This echoes former Prime Minister, John Howard’s declaration that ‘multiculturalism has gone too far’ and that the Anglo-sphere needs to be proud of it achievements.

So, is multiculturalism dead and must it be killed off before we can be proud of ‘our’ achievements?

The answer is no on both fronts, In fact, multiculturalism could be more vibrant and alive than ever, it is just that it is slowly being suffocated through neglect and, to put it bluntly, outright lies.

To understand my position, let’s begin by with what multiculturalism actually is: it simply refers to the concept that several different cultures (rather than only one) can coexist peacefully and equitably.

Migration studies show us that when people arrive in a country, they tend to be attracted to where other recognisable migrants are. As such, Italians coming to Sydney in the 1950s where attracted to Leichhardt and Greeks (in the 1960s) to Marrickville. As time passes, the children of migrants tend to blend into the various other cultures, including the dominant one, and move on.

This is what we have seen happen and will continue to happen. In fact, the children of most migrants want nothing more than to be part of the broader culture – something their parents support because this is exactly why they come to the new country.

Yes, there will always those who resist this, but does this mean that we throw out a policy that has served us well? That would be ridiculous. Think of it this way, there are those who refuse to accept that passive smoking creates health problems – do we abandoned our anti-smoking laws?

Multiculturalism has served us well. Australia has developed into a complex and vibrant society and we have all benefited from it: from the everyday cultural enjoyment of food, music, theatre and dance, to the economic connections that have been built, and the way we are better equipped with dealing with challenges.

So if things are so great, why am I arguing that multiculturalism is being suffocated?

Multiculturalism succeeds for various reasons including an egalitarian approach (that is, giving migrants equal rights), support from major parties and adequate funding of services for migrants. So, for multiculturalism to work, we need to invest into the people arriving as well as in those who are already here. We need to make sure that there is sufficient infrastructure, housing, education and politicians willing to stand up to misinformation.

Anti-immigration parties have emerged because many of these aspects of our society have been neglected. If we combine this with a specific globalisation agenda that focuses on competition rather than cooperation, the world appears unstable and many of us feel neglected. It is easy for this sense of instability to be blamed towards outsiders arriving.

In addition, entire industries have been left to die – such as manufacturing. This is not the fault of migration – but follows the abandoning of any real industrial policies.

Thirdly, we have major political parties that seem to be courting the anti-immigrant sentiment rather than confronting them. Recently, Tony Abbott has been using both the population debate and the refugee boats as a way to deliver an anti-immigration method – hardly surprising given most of his policies where developed under John Howard. 

Julia Gillard and the ALP have failed to respond in any meaningful way: seeming to be satisfied in letting Abbott set the agenda.

Declaring multiculturalism dead will not solve any of our problems – it will simply create new ones.

In 1996, Pauline Hanson declared that ‘Asians’ would swamp us? It has not happened.

Forty years before that we were worried about communists would swamp us. Now, when someone declares their support for communist ideals they are considered ‘cute’.

Today we seem to be focussed on the entire Muslim population as potential terrorists who are not ‘fitting in’ and will soon, you guessed it, ‘swamp us’.

It has nothing to do with multiculturalism failing – and much to do with politicians taking advantage of dissatisfaction of their own policy weaknesses to focus attention elsewhere.

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    • Eric says:

      04:58am | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism in reality is the promotion of foreign cultures, while at the same time suppressing Australian culture. It is this hypocrisy which is one of the reasons this divisive policy is gradually being discarded.

      When, exactly, did we have a referendum on doing away with Australian society, and replacing it with something else?

    • BobM says:

      08:22am | 23/11/10

      The only good thing about the statue of Al Grassby (the ‘father of multiculturalism’) in Griffith is that it gives the pidgeons something to shit on. Quite appropriate really…....

    • Try harder says:

      08:40am | 23/11/10

      But if we don’t have multiculturalism, Aussies will turn on each other and burn the country down. The economy will collapse, they’ll be no food, and we’ll become the poor white trash of Asia - because the Anglo-Aussies are that useless as a species - if it’s not the British helping us survive, it has to be the Asians or something. When the mining boom ends, the country will go broke and we’ll have to pack up and leave because Aussies aren’t smart enough to develop new technology and ways to drive the economy. We need other people to show us what to do.

      Not buying any of it.

    • Duff says:

      08:40am | 23/11/10

      Eric, the obvious problem with that line is that “Australian society” is, in fact, the product of mass immigration from a variety of cultures.  It has never been stagnant.  It evolves.

    • fairsfair says:

      09:34am | 23/11/10

      @Try Harder… agree with your sarcasm.

      Australians are innovative and industrious - we just lack the ability convert those ideas into manufacturing industries. Why? Because we are preoccupied with curing the world of its ills like accepting its “refugees” and fixing the world’s environment. We spend all our money on that. The views of the far left are currently being discussed, why not address the concerns of the far right?

      Pauline Hanson was ahead of her time and hardly a radical. She just tells it how she sees it and whether or not you agreed with her - she had something to say and stood by it.

      It is quite pathetic really and I don’t doubt that the current do gooder fire was fueled by the Multiculturalism movement. We need Gordon Ramsay style “Country Nightmares”. Shut up shop, reassess and open under new management with a strict plan in place that will see the protection of our own interests.

      Is that called a a revolution or something? Good luck Sweden.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      10:40am | 23/11/10

      Australian ‘Culture’? Do you live here? There is no pure ‘Australian Culture’, not like you would say there is a pure Japanese Culture anyway, Australian culture is an amalgamation of cultures from all over the world. We’re one of the greatest multicultural success in the world.

      But suppose I’m wrong, and there is indeed an Austrlian ‘Culture’; what exactly is Australian Culture? What are our beliefs? Our values? Our recreational activities? Our food styles? What makes us different from Greek, Spanish, Italian, English, US, and the multitudes of Asian cultures?

      Please, Australian Culture doesn’t exist.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      10:44am | 23/11/10

      @fairsfair We have no manufacturing industries because of a little something called Capitalism; whereby it is cheaper to manufactuer overseas where pay is worse and conditions are poorer. Not because of refugees.

    • Mike says:

      10:48am | 23/11/10

      @ fairsfair - agree that we are innovative and to an extent industrious…but we have neglected the inter-generational traditional passing down of knowledge in key industries and areas, let our youth slack of completely, and have now become reliant on immigrants to be doctors, engineers etc. Why the bloody hell aren’t our own youth excelling in these lines of work? Ok if we need street cleaners, checkout chicks etc that’s a different argument, but this “skilled migration” nonsense really just means we dropped the ball and couldn’t be arsed creating top-notch skilled workers of our own and have now gotten so used to importing these skills that nobody wants to change anything because it’s easy and comfy and too lucrative for a lot of big dollar interests at the moment.

      Well, it if continues at this rate it will not end well, of that I’m sure.

    • AliceC says:

      10:59am | 23/11/10

      @Eric

      No one is ‘doing away with Australian society’, or supressing Australian culture for that matter. Our society is based on a mix of cultures, and is based on freedom of expression and choice(such as what you’re displaying).

      What gives caucasian Australians the right to immigrate here, settle in, then deny others the same?

    • fairsfair says:

      11:42am | 23/11/10

      @Chase Stevens -  how were we ever supposed to develop a definiitive culture when it was drummed into us that “multiculturalism is our culture” like you have just stated?

      We have spent our entire history trying to replicate England in a region that does not want us to be here. We chose to broaden ethnicity with an influx of migrants (fantastic) but instead of doing what multicultural professes in creating a varied culture - it has creased segregation and disharmony amongst all members.

      How can you say that Australia is a great multicultural success? On paper yes - because the politically correct opinions are all that are widely published - but that “melting pot” is bubling away my friend.

    • Economist says:

      12:13pm | 23/11/10

      So far all the rants have been anecdotal. So here’s myanecdotal two cents worth. My office consists of just under half first generation immigrants (mainly from China, Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia (muslim) and one young second generation immigrant). Each of them turns up to work each day and does there part. There is no racial or cultural tension. Many have photos of their children with, you guessed it, whiteys :-o. One female individual has discussed with me her boys regularly going out on the piss and how initially she found it difficult to reconcile, but she accepts it because that what her children want to do. As James highlights “children of most migrants want nothing more than to be part of the broader culture”.

      Quite frankly I think James article is an accurate reflection with a short history and discussion of our immigration experiences and that the vast majority of comments on this blog are uninformed, hysterical nonsense.

      The only area that concerns me is in the education sector, with schools that proclaim to be Islamic etc. where children are not exposed to other cultures and differences. However, the same could be said for the Catholic sector (though this sector has relaxed its entry requirements) or for Exclusive Bretheren schools (fundamentalist Christians). And you can thank the Howard governmetn for the explosion in the number of these schools..

    • hmm says:

      12:20pm | 23/11/10

      AliceC - caucausian Australians mostly were sent here as convicts many many years ago.  That may give them the right to live here.

    • Richard says:

      12:22pm | 23/11/10

      I’m liking the “Country Nightmares” concept fairsfair. We’ve got to clean all the cockies out of the kitchen (i.e. get rid of all the inefficient over-paid bureaucrats,) simplify the menu (i.e. ablolish all the revenue-raising, freedom restricting laws that insult our personal liberty), and be very descerning about what type of clientele we want to cater for.

      As for Chase Stevens, you are wrong to blame capitalism for the death of our manufacturing industry: it is the unions who are to blame, and the government restrictions and regulations. We don’t have a true capitalist system unfortunately, but if we did, I gaurantee that our manufacturing sector would flourish once again. Think late 19th century America~ free unbridled capitalism creating the richest economy the world has ever seen, with abundant oppurtunity equally shared for all to succeed. History shows us that free-market capitalism is the best way to organise an economy. Even the Chinese communinists have been growing more and more capitalistic, likewise I would hope that our leaders start moving forwards again in the right direction as well.

    • Bruno says:

      12:23pm | 23/11/10

      Australia was given to you Eric, and until the day comes and I hope it doesnt, that we have to fight for our lives to defend this land and our families, none of us including the indigenous anglos have no say on who can or can not come here. Look towards the outback towns for your non migration paradise. No migrants = no progress. Little wonder why the president of the US wont even come here. He went to indonesia but he sent Hillary here.

    • Jules says:

      03:53pm | 23/11/10

      I don’t mind others coming to live in Australia, but there are cultures that have already hinted at a forced acceptance of their religion. This is the one thing that has all of us terrified.  And then we see the horrible footage of the riots in Britain by the adherents to this religion demanding to have their own state & laws based on a their religious beliefs. This group do not blend into other cultures, instead they expect other cultures to become like them.  Basically it’s an argument on which culture owns the god they believe in.  I do not believe in god or fairies or goblins or witches or the little people in Ireland & I expect my views to be respected as I respect the views of others.  England, France & Holland are standing up to the adherents to this reliogion & it’s causing a great deal of trouble for both sides. It’s not too late for Australia to start monitoring who is allowed to come to Australia BUT it has to be done & SOON!!

    • mark says:

      06:14pm | 23/11/10

      australia has no single culture, it is a mix of countless cultures, which is why anglo australians are so confused about themselves. without all the immagration that has gone on the past half century or so, you’d have 2million bazzas holding a mean pie and vb complaining why the governement isn’t increasing their welfare payments. i find it bizzare how a country can invade countless countries and fight a war they believe is true, but when those citizens flee their homelands to come to australia, america, uk and so forth…we reject them.

    • mickijo says:

      01:10pm | 25/11/10

      My ancestor was an Irish convict ,transported for life. When he got his freedom,he worked very hard ,married and he and his wife raised a large family who grew up to be respected ,hard working people. We are proud of them. To me, making a nation is a bit like making a cake. To be successful, you take various ingredients, mix them well and hope it will turn out fine. If you mix in ingredients that are not going to work in the recipe, you are asking for trouble and your cake will only be for for the rubbish. And that is what is happening to our country,there can only be trouble ahead.

    • Jayne says:

      12:39pm | 26/11/10

      Eric,

      Please explain the Australian culture that migrants are supressing? Seeing as migrants have been arriving in Australia since Australia was named Australia, I need some clarification on what Australian society is and how over the years migrants have ruined it.

    • Greg says:

      04:55pm | 26/11/10

      Keep reading Jayne. You will get your answers.

    • SR says:

      05:06am | 23/11/10

      I totally agree, immigration has failed both Sweden and Australia – long live inbreeding!

    • acotrel says:

      04:19pm | 23/11/10

      @Chase Stevens
      ‘Please, Australian Culture doesn’t exist. ’ You are obviously not of Australian origin, or you are a latecomer.  You should know the following!

      There are two basic Australian values which are all pervading.  One is Anti- authoritarianism, the other is about ‘a fair go’.  We’re volunteers not conscripts.  Born t o rule conservatives should remember that!

    • acotrel says:

      04:25pm | 23/11/10

      hmm says:12:20pm | 23/11/10

      AliceC - caucausian Australians mostly were sent here as convicts many many years ago.  That may give them the right to live here

      What a strange statement?  I wonder how many Australians can actually find a convict amongst their ancestors.  There are none among mine!

    • iain m says:

      05:23am | 23/11/10

      Yep okay I see how well things are going in the UK (see below) and I expect similar is happening all over Europe and may be happening here, but our authorities are to weak willed to check on it . And WOW that’s multiculturalism at its best. It may be small numbers but according to news reports growing.

      Kids in Saudi funded schools between six and 18in the UK and Ireland are being taught Sharia law punishments with text-books which claim those who do not believe in Islam will be subjected to “hellfire” in death. Thieves their hands will be cut off for a first offence of theft, and their foot for a subsequent offence. Young pupils are warned that the punishment for engaging in homosexual acts is death by stoning, burning with fire or throwing off a cliff and that the “main goal” of the Jews is to “have control over the world and its resources.”

    • Heb says:

      09:07am | 23/11/10

      @Ian m,

      Before you have a go at the textbooks kids read in ‘Saudi funded schools’, have a look at the notorius textbook millions of Australian kids read in mainstream Australian Christian schools - the Bible. It lists punishment by death for adultery, homosexuality, FOLLOWING ANOTHER RELIGION and a lot more.

      http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

      No child should be brought up in any religion, Christian, Muslim or whatever, that is based on hatred.

    • Tim says:

      09:49am | 23/11/10

      @Heb,

      You have grossly misunderstood the whole of the Bible, mate. The Old Testament laws have finished in the life of Jesus. Their main purpose was to show us how much God detests sin so that we would live rightly. By destroying sin on the cross, Jesus accomplished what the Old Testament law never could.

      Give it another read; the Bible is the ultimate book of love.

    • Zac says:

      10:03am | 23/11/10

      Heb,

      While you bash Christianity what you fail to realise is this:

      In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people. Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

      It’s time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.

      http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/

    • Mitch says:

      11:25am | 23/11/10

      Zac, are you taking the piss?  Hitler was not atheist, he had his own beliefs on Christianity and probably viewed himself as somewhat divine.  Since when did Mao or Stalin kill in the name of atheism?  They killed because the were exceptionally paranoid about their power which lead to mass murders, and shut down religion because it undermined their power and authority i.e. in the USSR and China, Stalin and Mao were gods.  Just look at North Korea today, supposedly atheist yet a person can’t walk past one of the many, many statues for Kim Jung-il or Kim Il-sung without bowing, or in some cases presenting flowers, as well as being told many stories of their leaders having divine powers.  Cult of personality in authoritarian dictatorships is a religion in itself.  But don’t let logic get in the way of your hatred of atheism.

    • Lord Blackadder says:

      11:30am | 23/11/10

      @Zac. For the last time: Hitler was not an atheist. He was a Roman Catholic. He never left the Church and was never ex-communicated. So according to Catholic doctrine, Hitler will go to Heaven. “Mein Kampt” has more references to God than the Bible. God was incorporated into every aspect of the Nazi doctrine. His anti-Jewish tirade was in line with accepted Catholic beliefs at the time.

      Please also note that Stalin trained to become a priest in the Russian Orthodox church and used many of the techniques he learnt there in his politics.

    • KH says:

      11:57am | 23/11/10

      Zac-  this is nonsense.  China is a special case obviously - it was never a Christian (or Jewish or Islamic) country from what I have read.  Hitler was born a Catholic (like most Austrians) - hatred of the Jews has its roots there, as has been well documented, and Hitler didn’t come up with this stuff - there were many others before him in Germany at that time.  Stalin didn’t try to kill just one group of people - his craziness was far more random, and was about power - as it was for all three of these.

      Im getting a little tired of people claiming that because I have a brain and don’t believe in sky fairies, therefore I must be evil.  What a load of bollocks.

    • Barry says:

      03:24pm | 23/11/10

      @KH What a load of bullocks that people who believe in God don’t have a brain.  I guess for you to conclude this you must be smarter than a large number of greatest scientific minds ever to exist, who also believed in God.  From this comment alone though, we can already conclude you most certainly are not.

    • Richard says:

      04:00pm | 23/11/10

      Look everyone, Hitler certainly wasn’t a Christian. He murdered priests, set up idols, and in general carried on like a lunatic with megalomaniac delusions of self-divinity.

      He sometimes (well, very very rarely, but sometimes) used Christianity as a tool; perverted it to his purpose because his main ideological enemy (communists) were atheisist.

      But Zac and Tim are correct, more people have been killed in the name of atheism than in the name of Christianity. Ditto Islam.

      Heb have you every even read the bible? It says “blessed are the peace-makers”. It says “if your enemy strikes you on the cheek, turn your other cheek so that he may strike that one as well”. Its basically the ultimate expression of love and non-violence I can think of!

    • Chris L says:

      06:24pm | 23/11/10

      The old “Hitler was an atheist” chestnut. Easily disproven with a bit of research. His concordance with the Vatican, his invocation of Jesus in every, EVERY, speech and the good old “Gott mit uns” nazi buckle.

      Of course the response to his catholicism should be “So what?”. After all, he killed in the name of racial purity, not god or Jesus and certainly not atheism. He was just a very bad man.

      Similar with Stalin who reinstituted the church during WWII, trained in a seminary and had a moustache much like Hitler. Never did he say his actions were for god or for atheism. He was just a very bad man.

      Richard, don’t get upset if someone mentions Hitler in order to attack atheism and then gets firmly routed. For your information nobody has ever been killed in the name of atheism. Ever! Can’t say the same for your god.

    • Marcus says:

      07:26pm | 23/11/10

      Hitler was a satanist/occultist!!! Haven’t you heard of the recent findings of the Satanic rituals that they use to have such as in Castle Wolfenstein???Many Nazis were involved in the occult, using the Catholic religion as their facade!

    • acotrel says:

      05:26am | 23/11/10

      The use of xenophobia as a poltical tool in Australian politics, is a national disgrace!  The’ invading and swamping us’ stuff is a load of bull, and it’s doing us damage! Last weekend I drove between Goulburn and Albury.  You could realistically fit every asylum seeker in the world into that area!  Why would a ‘born to rule’ party follow the lead of a rabbit like Pauline Hanson?  Eastern Australia is big, empty, and in need of a bigger population to give us economies of scale.  The Liberal Party are dangerous ratbags!

    • rob foster says:

      07:34am | 23/11/10

      Why don’t you offer to house six refugees in your house. See if you can back up your words with the deed

    • Phil says:

      07:53am | 23/11/10

      Doesnt matter how big the country is a large population isnt sustainable and will come at the cost of quality of living for the rest of us.
      To me that means a large population of Australians OR immigrants.
      This country is struggling to provide healthcare & education for those of us who are already here!
      Obviously you are using the “every asylum seeker in the would would fit in here” line as an example but look at those countries with huge populations and how they are struggling with it, don’t you realise the same will happen here if immigration isnt done in a sustainable way?

    • Barry says:

      08:08am | 23/11/10

      @acotrel
      “The invading and swamping us is a load of bull”  *sigh* Only to uninformed people.  Although in the past the whole Asian, Russians will invade us was a bit over the top, considering they don’t have huge fertility rates.  The problem isn’t that you can’t fit all of them in, but rather when you have such a large population of them, they tend to band together, and can eventually vote in their choice of government.  It’s just simple statistics.  When one particular group of people have a huge fertility rate compared to everyone else, they are bound to eventually “swamp” a country.  It’s not happening as much here, but in Europe it’s a huge issue.  It happened in Lebanon.  Palestinian immigration soared through the roof(which would have been mostly Muslim), the PLO banded them all together, and basically created their own state within Lebanon.  Check out how many Islamic terrorist organizations there are, and what are their goals.  A large number of them have the main goal of setting up an Islamic state.

    • Ricky Bobby says:

      08:27am | 23/11/10

      Rob Foster, agree entirely. The trendy city-dwelling leftie monkeys cannot see the problem of immigrants arriving with all their extra beliefs and unwanted baggage. Come to Australia, sure, just do it the legal way and assimilate. Don’t turn us into another Arab Emirate.
      P.S: We don’t need a bigger population, especially as this would swell the cities, and they tend to get built on the most fertile farming land.

    • One of us says:

      08:47am | 23/11/10

      Let’s say we put your bright ideas into action and settled scores of refugees ‘between Goulburn and Albury” and “Eastern Australia is big, empty”.  Okay. Now what?

      Where would this people work? Where would they get the local knowledge and life skills in those ghettoes? Not to mention the existing fact that majority of refugees end up permanently on the dole and have higher than average crime rate.

      Look, I’m not a born Aussie myself, came here at the age of 25 and beleive me it is not the local’s population fault that multiculturalism has failed. It’s just that some cultures don’t mix up well and after years and years in Australia still refer to the Australians as “them”.

    • Looking out my front door says:

      10:10am | 23/11/10

      Yes Australia is Big , But 99 percent of refugees live in the main cities wake up. I live in Fairfield NSW the largest population of immigrants in Sydney and if you think multcuturalism works just ask my next door neighbour if he likes the guy accros the road , hes a “serb” and the other guy is a “crow” or the other way around, then ask mohammed up the road if he likes the guy on the corner with his christian flag in the front yard. Its good in theroy and should work but in reality it does not. It will only work if the incoming coultures adapt to the Australian way of life . Sadly the lastest visitors from the middle east find it hard to adapt and let go of past issues. And i see some comments about Asians overtaking us, have you been to Hornsby ,Chatswood ,Rockdale ,Eastwood ,Kingsgrove or Cabramatta lately.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      11:29am | 23/11/10

      Funny, in another post you claimed to be “smart”  but obviously you failed history. “The White Australia Policy” was introduced by the Labor Party early last century & a huge plank in their policy. It was the LIBERAL PARTY who started to dismantle it & finally their policies were picked up by Cough Drop Whitlam & finalized its demise

    • Mark Riboldi says:

      05:40am | 23/11/10

      Great article James. Hits the nail right on the head. Would have liked to see an political analysis of the situation regarding parties other than the Liberals and the ALP though.

    • James Arvanitakis says:

      03:16am | 26/11/10

      Thanks Mark.. much appreciated

      Yes… good point… I will expand

      Cheers, james

    • Bradley says:

      05:43am | 23/11/10

      James agreed multiculturalism can and does benifit society but I think you have ignored that it also can be the cause of long term problems.
      A lot of people when coming to new countries become very patriotic for their old countries when they are normally not bothered, look at aussies for example when on holidays overseas.
      With young people from islamic nations that patriotism becomes a religous devotion as they find it hard fitting in with a new culture and seek an identity in a new society. Add this with the socioeconomic difficulties they face as new immigrant or children of immigrants and that religous devotion can turn to despising the broader society as they seek out the parts of islamic religion which is intolerant. These young muslims in their own country are usually not that devout and would be less prone to despising others as they have less of a need for identity

    • annon1 says:

      11:28am | 23/11/10

      I agree 100%, this is also where the minority end up winning and the majority have to bow down to their demands. An example of this is an annual Christmas Show in a catholic primary school in Adelaide being cancelled incase the muslim children attending the catholic school are offended. Don’t know why you would send your muslim children to a catholic school in the first place…

    • IF says:

      11:28am | 23/11/10

      Bradley do you actually know any young muslims?

      I was born in a Muslim country, moved here when i was 3 and brought up in a Muslim household..and guess what, I am extremely patriotic - I love my country Australia and I’m glad to call it my home and so do my family who also happen to pray 5 times a day, fast during Ramadan and just recently celebrated Eid.

      Multiculturlism will work maybe when the white Australians of this country accept people of other ethnicities as “Aussies” because each time I tell some one I’m Australian..I get confused looks.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      05:18pm | 23/11/10

      Good call IFThe most racist Xebophobic & religiously intolerant person you’ll ever meet is an Australian. Heaven help you if you’re gay too.

    • Bradley says:

      07:25pm | 23/11/10

      IF: Yes I do know a few young muslims as I currently live in Saudi. Where as you know it is very intolerant to anything not islamic. The youth here are less religous than their elders but move them to a different culture and some would become very religous in the wrong way. The Saudi form of islam is not accepting of cultural norms in Australia and if you strictly followed it you would never join in with the rest of society. Agreed not all muslims are intolerant to western culture but there is a lot who follow the wahabi way and disaffected youth in the UK are being attracted to this form of islam.

    • Phil says:

      05:48am | 23/11/10

      “To understand my position, let’s begin by with what multiculturalism actually is: it simply refers to the concept that several different cultures (rather than only one) can coexist peacefully and equitably.”

      This, of course, is in an ideal world. However, it is of course quite easy to lay the blame for the suffocation of multiculturalism at the feet of the “Western” portion of the Australian population.

      “As time passes, the children of migrants tend to blend into the various other cultures, including the dominant one, and move on.”

      You must concede though, that there are people coming to Australia that flat out refuse this. Muslims unfortunately fit into that category. Sen. Penny Wong has been looking at introducing financial aspects of Sharia Law to appease the Muslim community. Keyser Trad (a prominent figurehead in the Muslim community in Sydney) says that there should be Sharia Law here, so that Muslims can deal with things like divorce and financial matters. We already have these laws here, and ALL Australians are required to abide by them, yet they feel they need their own set. Perhaps this has been a massive beat up by the media, and it’s nothing but peaches and cream, and we’ve all been lied to.

      The fact is, it cuts both ways, and ALL groups need to connect with each other.

      Perhaps this whole immigration/multiculturalism thing is a touchy subject because Australia is our home, and sometimes people like to at least understand and know who comes into their homes. Some might say “oh that’s bigoted and racist” but how many people that you didn’t know would you let into your home? Perhaps it would be nice if our new neighbours would introduce themselves to us, rather than hiding away in their own gated communities.

    • spookey says:

      08:31am | 23/11/10

      “As time passes, the children of migrants tend to blend into the various other cultures, including the dominant one, and move on.”

      Other than people of the Islamic culture, in Europe sons and daughter of the first and second generation are more radicalised to the religious teaching than their parents, and authorities beleive more likely to commit acts of terrorism.

      So go figure its puzzles me

    • James Arvanitakis says:

      03:14am | 26/11/10

      Hey Phil…

      Thanks for the note…

      :et me verify - I am not laying the blame at the Western portion of any population. My position was that there are certain ways to deal with multiculturalism and these are now being ignored

      I am not sure of claims made by any specific group and there are many that I do not agree with: I am no fan of private or religious schools of any persuasion, for example, but prefer schools that have a mix so all cultures, socio-economic groups and religions can come together and mix. But if you starve us of a decent public education, then we make decisions that further establish divisions.

      Your gated community example is perfect: and this is what I am saying -we need policies to break these down not encourage them

      In the article, I make no mention of ‘Australia being racist’ - nor do I dismiss concerns. The aim was to say why is something that has served us well now being dismissed?

      Thanks for engaging, j

    • paul says:

      05:54am | 23/11/10

      It’s all about multiethnicism v multiculturalism now.  The former says anyone can come as long as they sign up to the “values” of the host (western) country, which is a euphemism for secular, democratic, freedom of expression etc; the latter means enclaves of transplanted “cultural” groups.  People like the former and dislike the latter.  Add in a sense of grievance from domestic populations (or parts thereof) about new arrivals and their difference and you have the rise of anti-immigration parties.  Why is anyone surprised?  Equally, why is anyone surprised twentysomethings sitting around uni campuses should be filled with confected outrage at the rise of such parties?  Condescension is what twentysomethings do best.  OK, now I seem to have turned this into a generational thing, too.

    • Daniel says:

      06:29am | 23/11/10

      I am going to get slaughtered for this (metaphorically) but the muslim culture has goals to out breed other cultures to gain it’s strength. As the ratio of muslims to non muslims rises we get more mosques, eventually areas where the call to prayer is broadcast 5 times a day and a stronger case for changes to the law due to that culture being the majority. I see this as a very real possibility. It is already happening in Europe. We need to decide what we want the future of this country to look like. I am all for tolerance and equality but we have the power to determine our cultural future.
      I may come across as xenophobic but please enlighten me if you think I am wrong.

    • Geoffrey says:

      08:53am | 23/11/10

      Daniel,

      You are not wrong.

      In November 2001, a regular participant in a chat room invited me to check a page written in English of an Islamic website he had found. The page displayed a table; in one column a list of western countries around the world and in an adjacent column the estimated number of years before these countries would be considered Islamic.

      The article accompanying the table made no mention of methodology as to how these objectives would be achieved.

      At the time, judging by the aggressive anti-western comments below the article I dismissed the whole thing as overzealous boasting from Islamic enthusiasts in the aftermath of the September 11 events.

      Looking at the cultural problems erupting in almost every western country today, I now realise that the plan was genuine, deliberate, and to some extent successful and that, although not mentioned in the article, immigration and refugee schemes were the intended vehicles to carry it out.

      What a pity I neither made a note of the website, nor made a copy of the article.

    • Duff says:

      09:23am | 23/11/10

      Daniel, this might help you: 

      The top 10 immigrant groups that came to Australia in 2008-2009, in order, are: UK (21%), India (10%), China (7.7%), South Africa (4.7%), New Zealand (4.3%), Philippines (3.9%), Sri Lanka (2.5%), Iraq (2.5%), Malaysia (2%), Bangladesh (2%).

      There are only about 170,000 Muslims in Australia.  That’s about 0.7% of our current population.  Of this amount, the population is very young, compared with the rest of Australia.  This means they have a comparably higher birth rate than the general population.

      So, there are not very many of them and they are not ‘flooding’ our shores.  And there is no conspiracy, it’s just demographics.  You can rest easy.

    • spookey says:

      10:21am | 23/11/10

      Duff 12 months last janaury there was an Government estimate of 130000 Muslim in Australia, thats a 30.7% increase in less than 2 years. On your figure of 170000.

    • Rossco says:

      06:37am | 23/11/10

      JAMES, this debate isnt about multiculturalism, it’s about the spread of Islam in the Western World.

    • rod sexton says:

      06:42am | 23/11/10

      You know where you can put your multiculturism James; try living next door to four Punjabs living in a one bedroom flat of 44 sq metres. They live there because they pay a higher rent than the single and double tenants. It is more like Mumbai than Melbourne.

    • Red Ted says:

      07:43am | 23/11/10

      Rod, what you are objecting to is landlords wanting to make money, and capitalism dictates that they (and we) have to behave like that. But you have addressed your opposition to that system by making an inflammatory, bigoted comment.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:39am | 23/11/10

      how is that inflammatory or bigoted? It is a statement about four individuals who have probably come from cramped living quarters in India to accept the same as normal in Australia - which it is not.  It is an indication of many of the concerns raised about multiculturalism - the conditions of the area are being changed in line with ethnic ‘standards’ (often forced by oppression/population etc) of those individuals taking occupancy - and this starts with one flat and increases at an exponential rate.

      What you say is completely correct Red Ted and it is not acceptable, but as always someone makes a point that is not inline with your utopian agenda (ie head in the sand as to the real consequences) and they are bogoted. Change the record.

    • Joan says:

      07:02am | 23/11/10

      Norwegian and others just want to maintain their culture… they don’t want to overtime become an `indigenous` culture in their own country as has happened to say Aboriginals in Australia. Any government is entitled to persue that goal and be selective with immigrants- survival of the fittest I believe it is called . Every government is selective anyway, open door policy doesn’t exist anywhere ....and social cohesion and maintenance of culture is just another consideration when selecting new citizens from outside.

    • majority says:

      07:25am | 23/11/10

      Why is there a new sentiment in Europe? You don’t address this.

    • Kika says:

      04:47pm | 23/11/10

      What’s new? It’s always been there. The stereotype is that Scandinavian countries are really liberal and laid back when it comes to things like welfare and immigration. Not true. They may have been once more liberal - but my brother in law was an immigrant to Norway from Sri Lanka. He has a police file on him. No sh*t. The police keep tabs on immigrants and even though is the most law abiding citizen the police felt the need to keep tabs on everything he did. IN fact they didn’t approve his father to visit for his own wedding - and was only allowed after the wedding. The anti immigrant sentient is not new - I just think some of them are feeling more able to express their true feelings about it instead of trying to be all ‘Ikea’ about everything.

    • Xenephobe? No, realist. says:

      07:27am | 23/11/10

      Amazing how you advocates carefully don’t quote the Netherlands and Denmark. Both countries were swamped. Parts of UK are no-go zones. Selective quoting is just propoganda.

    • Dave-o says:

      07:59am | 23/11/10

      Selective area’s? Parts of Australia are a no-go and they don’t even have migrants.

      You forgot the ‘Mic’s’ James. They were the original migrant threat.

    • SonOfA says:

      08:29am | 23/11/10

      James, I think your invalidly conflating anti-immigration with anti-multiculturalism. They’re not the same thing. I’m all for immigration, especially giving succour to refugees and victims of war, but I believe that immigrants should strive to become part of this society, not expect this society to bend to them. If you saw me saying this, you’d be thinking “righto skip”, cos that’s what I look like. In fact I’m the son of an immigrant, and my attitudes to a certain extent come from my dad. He believed, very strongly, that he was here because his own country had serious cultural problems (he was a refugee from Nazi Germany) and would NOT be bringing that with him. He despised refugees that brought the trouble that he had escaped right to his door (ethnic conflict in this particular case). While a certain merging of cultures has certainly benefited the country, the country needs to retain a mature identity if it is to move past the current cycle. IMESHO.

    • AdamC says:

      08:31am | 23/11/10

      ‘Multiculturalism’ or, put better, mass immigration has worked fairly well down here. We are, after all, a nation of immigrants. Sweden isn’t, nor is Germany, Hungary, the Netherlands or any other European country. In many ways, the problem in Europe is that their multi-culturalism hasn’t been ‘multi’ enough, with a disproportionate amount of muslim immigrants who, quite overtly, have often failed to ‘integrate’.

      If the Swedes, Dutch, French, Czechs and whatever have decided multiculturalism doesn’t work in the old world as well as in the new, good on them. It is close to an observable fact. (Has anyone been to a banlieue recently?) That doesn’t necessarily mean our antipodean experiment in multiculturalism has failed. Though, of course, it doesn’t make it a sucess either ...

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:32am | 23/11/10

      Your article fails to take note of history. Plus you glibly mix previous migrant nationality (Italians and Greeks) with the current religious influx (Muslims).

      Muslims do NOT fit in. They arrive, reach critical mass and start demanding that they be allowed to have THEIR laws in OUR countries. If they really did want to fit in, they would be accepting the laws of the country to which they chose to immigrate.

    • rufus says:

      12:16pm | 23/11/10

      This claim about Muslims is exactly the same sort of rubbish written about Asian immigrants 20 years ago. Of course, some still believe that, just like some are still opposed to any non-Anglos.

    • jack says:

      08:39am | 23/11/10

      successful immigration countries are just that not becasue immgrants are encouraged to keep their own culture by government sponsored multiculturalism, but because immgrants can become locals, ie they can become aussies, americans, or kiwis.

      the europeans haven’t figured that out yet. There is really no way that the turkish guest worker who arrived in germany thirty years ago identifies and is percieved as german.

      That is the failure of state-sponsored multiculturalism, and Merkel was right to call it.

    • I know whats going on says:

      08:44am | 23/11/10

      I really don’t care anymore about being labelled a racist or a homophobe. If taht’s how I want to live then so be it - I’m not going to conform to political correctness - no matter what the reason. I don’t like people taht have low morals end of story - unfortunately lots of immigrants do. I had never ever been accosted on the street by a white person - but have been done so on multiple occasions by ethiopians. Why are we letting them in? The only reason can be to deliberately undermine our culture. Protocols anyone?

    • John says:

      09:37am | 23/11/10

      Racism and Racist terms were created by the Communists. I believe it was Leon Trotsky 2nd in command of Bolshevik Communist revolution that lead to 40 million dead. So next time you use the term racist or racism just remember who created it, and what was the purpose. Just remember the communist also created the term fascist (one party state) But themselves were also a one party state they were the same! These people had no morals, and their secret police were absolute sadist butchers. This is what happens when you remove religion and god from society. It’s rather amazing that communist’s based their atheist views on Charles Darwin. You need to look into Frankfurt school, and their idea’s to slowly destroy western society and turn it into a communist society. Their main weapon is Critical Theory, to criticize every thing in western society, religion, family, nation, it’s history. They also create oppressed class’s to further divide society. It’s all over the place, people don’t seem to be aware of it. Multiculturalism is certainly one of the communist weapons, to divide and recruit unsuspecting people into communist thought.

    • iansand says:

      09:44am | 23/11/10

      I once read a throwaway line in a book about the Inquisition that said racism was invented by the Spanish Inquisition.  It has always intrigued me, and I have, in the back of my mind, that it would be worth chasing down one day.  I have my doubts however, as the accepted etymology of “barbarian” is that it derived from what Greeks imagined non-Greeks to be saying.

    • Ish says:

      09:45am | 23/11/10

      I’m not sure you do know what’s going on. For a start the African refugees are Sudanese. I don’t know where you’re hanging out or perhaps what sort of attitude you present but I have never been accosted by anyone other than bogans asking for change. To me the Sudanese that I see about are always in their Sunday best and keep to themselves.

    • The Badger says:

      10:01am | 23/11/10

      How did you know they were Ethiopians?
      Did you ask to check their passports?
      Was it the shade of colour of their skin?
      Were you giving these “Ethiopians” shit and provoking them?

      When you say low morals, do you mean:
      like a doctor sleeping with his patients?
      Are you a Marxist or Nihilist?
      Whose morality are you setting as the baseline for your comment?
      Answer this question and I’ll point out its biased origins.

    • T.Chong says:

      10:09am | 23/11/10

      John, respect yur right to such views, but WTF ?
      The worldwide commie conspiracy is going to co-ordinate all of this? how?’
      Who are these people ?, how will it all function ?, seriosly, do you believe what you are claiming? 
      For your sake John, dont believe everything you see on the Glen Beck show.
      BTW that nice wholesome bible? - check out Hebs link .
      The bible and koran are virtually identical. Sad shame anyone would ever base their lives on anything either missive spewed, EXCEPT the “ten commandments"good basic rules of decency, just like the “five pillars of islam”.
      Its the additional add ons and interpretation that leads to the hatred.

    • AliceC says:

      11:09am | 23/11/10

      I have been ‘accosted’ on the street, as well as in a pub, by a white person. Should we be kicking them out?

    • Rob says:

      06:45pm | 23/11/10

      No AliceC we should not be kicking them out.We should be giving them a Victoria Cross.

    • John says:

      08:51am | 23/11/10

      The problem resides with the communist influenced west. The communist/liberals wish’s to destroy every nation state, it’s native people and the religion of christianity. This is why they prompt multiculturalism as it works well with their world wide agenda. EU destroying nations, Multiculturalism destroying native groups, criticizing the church and prompting atheism the communist religion. Multiculturalism is terrible ideal, imagine the European native kids growing up in Europe 50 - 100 years from now? They will become the oppressed, living in fear by those who want to rule their society. The society with be crime ridden, fear of terrorism. This why i support European Christian Nationalism. liberalism, socialism, Communism are all self-destructive, self-hating ideology’s for Europe. Things might get so bad, that they might even wish Hitler had won WWII, he might go from villain to hero in space of 20 years.

    • John says:

      09:01am | 23/11/10

      The problem is that Germany, UK, Sweden, France, Norway had too much communist left influence. If you look at Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece their society’s are more ethnocentric, loyal to their own people. It’s like Northern Europe children have been brainwashed into communist leftist idea of self-destruction. If you want to protect a nation, it’s people and it’s culture and religious customs, you don’t prompt multiculturalism, that’s only if you want destroy those very ideas! This i think is the point of multiculturalism, it’s to destroy, it’s a weapon used by communist think tanks to bring in their radical idea’s to west. Just remember communism though lead to 40 million dead in Russia.

    • Kika says:

      04:17pm | 23/11/10

      Not true. I’ve recently returned from a month long stay with family in Norway and I can tell you they are as anti immigrant, whitewashed and culturally stagnant as ever. They pretty much force immigrants to take their culture 100% because they really don’t have much interest in theirs. They don’t even like garlic.

    • Chris L says:

      06:41pm | 23/11/10

      From what I understand violent crime is almost non-existant in those northern European (atheist) countries. Maybe they’re onto a good idea.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:21am | 23/11/10

      Based on the premise that any tolerant society inviting immigration from an intolerant society will eventually become jack of being pushed into a corner, I predict massive civil war in Europe within two decades if the current rate of immigration continues.

    • Chris says:

      09:22am | 23/11/10

      “..entire industries have been left to die – such as manufacturing. This is not the fault of migration – but follows the abandoning of any real industrial policies.” Ah, no, that would be the result of high input material and labour costs and comparatively cheap goods being available from overseas.

      Are you suggesting that we close our economy and open our borders to all and sundry? Is globalisation only a good thing when it suits the leftist-elite?

      To address your concerns regarding Islam, it is (broadly) incompatible with western civilisation. I didn’t see the Italians and Greeks coming here to try and implement the laws from their homeland. Yet we see insistence from elements of the Islamic community wanting to introduce aspects of Sharia law. There is a clear distinction between immigration based on race and ethnicity (as we have seen in the past) and the current growth of a sector based on religion.

    • Jon says:

      09:23am | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism is an experiment that is on going and the results of a harmonious society are not guaranteed. Its invention by left wing sections of the intelligentsia was an over reaction to the WW2. It may work over time, but only if it’s held together by a strong Western secular state with freedom of speech and rights to criticize all cultural and religious practices, based on universal moral ethic. Sadly these freedoms are being diluted and trading away for political expediency.

      Words like racist and xenophobic are used by many as a screen to shut down debate on agendas that contravene universal human rights and have nothing do with skin colour, or the promotion of a cohesive society. The assault on free speech is well under way.  State Labor governments religious anti-vilification law limits free speech on topics such as cultural and religious practices.

      “Without free speech there cannot be genuine education and research, enquiry, debate, exchange of information, challenges to falsehood, questioning of governments, proposal and examination of opinion.” AC Grayling

    • martin says:

      09:31am | 23/11/10

      Vote for the Stable Population Party. 50k immigrants per year tops. The ratios of all the races being brought in are the same. No more baby bonus.

      http://www.populationparty.com/

    • Raving right wing lnbred red neck homophobic xzen says:

      12:48pm | 23/11/10

      Why any immigrants at all ? If we are struggling with infrastructure and problems associated with population growth now then surelly we are compounding these problems by allowing any foreigners into the country. If we have a skill shortage in any particular area then simply bring in foreign contractors. The same with refugees. We offer them a safe haven during a conflict in their own countries, but surelly they should return to their homelands once the situation improves.

    • iansand says:

      09:39am | 23/11/10

      I don’t get this fear of Sharia law for divorce and contract, which is what Keyser Trad is talking about (he is not talking about amputations).  Anyone who has represented Jewish folk in a divorce is familiar with the need to deal with the problem of a get - a religious as well as a civil divorce.  As it happens they can only be initiated by a man so it is common for a wife’s lawyer to insert orders requiring a man to perform a get.

      You can always insert choice of law clauses in contracts.  Any properly drafted contract between international parties will include a choice of law clause.  You can also choose to submit to any legal system you want to resolve problems.  The contract does not have to be between international parties - a choice of law/choice of jurisdiction clause can be included in local contracts, and local courts will respect that choice.

      There is absolutely no reason why parties cannot agree to be bound by Sharia law and have disputes resolved in Sharia courts.  Anyone who is afraid of such a thing should get out more.  They are profoundly ignorant of how commerce works.  In fact, you might want to investigate the Sharia laws for moneylending.  The good news is that charging interest is banned.

    • Duff says:

      10:32am | 23/11/10

      “In fact, you might want to investigate the Sharia laws for moneylending.  The good news is that charging interest is banned.”

      I always suspected that Joe Hockey fellow of being a closet Muslim.

    • Rose says:

      11:50am | 23/11/10

      Catholics also have Canon Law, a Catholic marriage cannot be ended in divorce, the marriage must be annulled for the Catholic Church to recognize the seperation of husband and wife. Like Jewish people, this has been adapted so that it fits within the law of the land and I see no difference in this than it could be with Sharia Law considerations. The numbers of Catholics seeking annulment has significantly reduced over time and I think a very similar thing will happen with Sharia Law divorces, it dilutes as more people adapt to their new country and adopt new attitudes.

    • im says:

      12:05pm | 23/11/10

      ye Duff but the bank owns 50 percent of your home, you never have title.

    • iansand says:

      02:49pm | 23/11/10

      im - there is that disadvantage…

    • Greg says:

      04:45pm | 23/11/10

      People can put whatever they like in contracts, but it will be overridden by state or federal law in the event of any conflicts.

      And which legal system has primacy if a divorce is between a Muslim and a Jew or a Christian?

      Keyser Trad wants Sharia Law to override Australian law. It is just another example of inevitable cultural conflict resulting from multicultural policies.

      If enacted, Australians will not be treated the same under the law. Some will get to choose an alternate legal system whenever it suits them. Lady Justice will need to remove her blindfold. The consistent rule of law will be irreparably damaged, another nail in the coffin for Western civilisation.

    • iansand says:

      07:59pm | 23/11/10

      Which bit of “The parties can choose” makes your brain hurt?

    • Greg says:

      08:39am | 24/11/10

      The parties cannot choose to override state and federal law, no matter what they put into their contracts.

      Which part of “the parties cannot choose” makes your brain hurt?

    • Leigh says:

      09:40am | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism has not been ‘suffocated’ yet; but it damn well should be. The instigators (crawling, vote buying politicians) should also be suffocated.

      It is time to knock this abomination of a policy on thehead before it is too late. It has nothing to do with immigration (and it is stupid to link older immigrants - Italians, Greeks etc. - with the new ones who have no intention of ever becoming Australian other than to gain permanent residence or citizenship for their own selfish ends. In the case of Muslims, the ends are dangerous to Australia and all other Western countries corrupt politicians have allowed them to infiltrate.

    • John says:

      10:54am | 23/11/10

      Western Politicians are under the influential Communist yoke. Obama, Merkel, Brown and I suspect the whole entire European Union. This is why i absolutely despise the entire western political body and the media that prop’s them! I want to see a more Democratic,  Nationalist, Christian type frame work for the west. Political body that protects Europe, Europeans and the church from entity’s that wish to the destroy them. In a sense i see Europeans and Europe as an occupied people and nation. It’s like Europe is my bride! I don’t want it defiled.

    • tombowler says:

      09:46am | 23/11/10

      Truly worthy of Bobby Browns fridge!

      Multiculturalism is a ridiculous lefty concept that has long lost it’s validity.

      Similarly to that other much vaunted lefty dirtbag philosophy of socialism; in theory it works great, in practise it has never truly worked. The UK and Germany are good examples.

      The concept that one should be able to move to Australia and attempt to properly perpetuate ones original culture leads to to questions:

      These are generally cultures that lead to the f#%#ing up of ones own homeland beyond all recognition and;

      It is a a form of imperialism. The idea that one will export his own culture to another nation. The U.S is endlessly accused of this by various unwashed hippies and unemployed greens voters.

      So on one hand you have an outdated, outmoded, sexist, antiquated concept that is the Burqa. We should be multicultural and let women be dominated by their relatives and their lovely multicultural values that are so very repugnant to the values of Australia.

      On the other hand, the export of, forced as it may be, what is arguably the greatest and most successful political system of all time to that sandy, medieval sh$thole that is the middle east is imperialistic, evil and wrong.

      Anyone care to explain that one?

      I’m not stupid enough to suggest that people need to integrate or f ** off or anything quite so impractical and rhetorical as that sort of nonsense..

      I would just suggest that there is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring to take immigrants from cultures that resemble ours, that share our values and that strengthen these values than those from cultures that represent the gamut of failed ideas be they theocratic, dictatorial or whatever else.

      Now I am fully aware than suggesting that western values are superior to others is seen as racist etc…

      i would argue that if one looks objectively at life expectancy, literacy, human rights indicators, GDP, wealth, pollutions and other indicators of a successful society the West would be on top every time. I suppose there are some other arguments out there- maybe the concentration of suicide bombers per capita is an indicator of success? maybe the number of jailed dissidents is the mark of a great culture?

      I don’t know it seems to me that the reason so many people come to our country is because our culture has allowed us to prosper and have an awesome egalitarian society and by propagating a self-destructive, degenerate culture here it has the potential to abrogate our own culture towards either a reflex defence whereby right-wing extremists will prosper or the same sh3$tholes that these people come from which are awesome for “eye-opening visits” and danger-pay for special forces soldiers and not a whole lot else..

      I just find it hard to accept SOME of the refugees, particularly afghans, who argue that they want to come here to escape oppression, repression etc and then immediately upon arrival begin to perpetuate the very foundations that their culture of oppression, repression, corruption and all that other crap is built on by forming ‘tribal’ communities and forcing/encouraging the ridiculous burqa on their female relatives.

    • The Badger says:

      10:41am | 23/11/10

      “i would argue that if one looks objectively at life expectancy, literacy, human rights indicators, .. the West would be on top every time.”

      Except of course the aboriginals right here in Australia.

      Australia"s Aborigines have the worst life expectancy rates of any indigenous population in the world, dying up to 20 years earlier than their non-indigenous counterparts
      Let’s not get into aboriginal literacy and human rights, trust me you don’t want to know.

      I suggest tombowler, a visit by you to some of the “sh3$tholes” to use your words in Australia would be a real eyeopener.
      But hey, they’re not white and you couldn’t care less.

    • Duff says:

      12:22pm | 23/11/10

      Tombowler, you suggest that you see nothing wrong in preferring to take immigrants from similar countries to ours.  But that is what we already do.  We are not a multicultural society.  Go on to the DFAT website and check out the figures.  You’ll see that the percentage of immigrants from the “shithole” of the middle east is very, very small.  There is no “flood” of Muslims.  Full stop.  They represent only a tiny portion of our population.  So what is the problem?  Multiculturalism has done none of the things you suggest it has.  How could it?  We’ve never even given it the chance.

    • Greg says:

      12:41pm | 23/11/10

      Badger, the life expectancy of Aboriginees before 1788 has been estimated at 32 by anthropological burial site studies. ie more than 20 years less than it is now.

      So Aboriginees have benefited enormously from European settlement.

      Their life expectancies have advanced markedly from the pre-European civilisation, stone-age levels.

      But you probably didn’t know that, did you? It is a politically incorrect fact, not widely publicised, as makes it more difficult to blame all aboriginal problems on white people.

      Maybe life expectancies would increase even more if Aboriginees abandoned their entitlement based lifestyles and took personal responsibility for their own situations, like the majority of white people (Greens voters excepted) do.

      A simple truth, that no amount of sactimonious moral supremacists can deny.

    • tombowler says:

      01:07pm | 23/11/10

      I’ve been there Badger… The interesting thing is it wasn’t Africa that was eye-opening, it was the muslim quarter of Paris (around Rue Stalingrad/Stalingrad station). It was there that I saw true “multiculturalism”- that is a fight between a group of middle eastern people in front of my hostel.

      It started with about 100 of them burning furniture on the banks of the canal (I don’t know where they got it because they were ‘camped’ under tarps and whatnot in a fenced off area under a bridge. After much chanting and whatnot a bunch of other hombres rolled in, chanting in their own frenzy.

      After a bit of weird confrontation they began to beat on each other with all kinds of shit; including burning debris from their bonfire. Sure enough the gendarmerie rolled in considerable force and cracked more than a few heads in their typical no-nonsense fashion.

      I asked the yank hostel owner about it all and she said (she’s been there for twenty five years) that it was always a muslim area but in the last 10-15 years it had really nose-dived and the place was unsafe. She said confrontations between the ‘campers’ and the others (who she reckoned were a different sect of islam) happened between once a week and once a month and no matter what the heavy-handed gendarmes did they always came back.

      More interesting was going down to the banks of the canal the next day and seeing on the 18th century walls along the boulevard large murals.

      These depicted AK47’s and dudes in head-dresses, an image of the twin towers burning, large crescent-moon islamic symbols and a sketch of the outline of france coloured in red with a large-crescent moon and star image in white in the centre.

      First-hand; the ‘multi-culturalism’ of the french is going pretty well…

    • Greg says:

      02:04pm | 23/11/10

      Duff, maybe you need to get off the internet and get out more often.

      Maybe you will discover that reality is not the same as government statistics and Big Media would have you believe.

      Unless, of course, your own eyes and ears are telling you lies.

    • Duff says:

      05:53pm | 23/11/10

      @Greg, you’re right.  Enough with facts and figures!  We’re talking about immigrants, after all.  What could I have been thinking.

    • Greg says:

      08:46am | 24/11/10

      Yes, Duff, I am right.

      What you should be thinking when quoting alleged “facts and figures” is the credibility of the source, and whether is is in their interests to manipulate the data to suit their purposes. Haven’t you ever heard of government or political spin?

      This is especially relevant when the alleged facts contradict what people can see for themselves first hand every day of the week.

    • David says:

      09:47am | 23/11/10

      Grouping people according to their “historical” cultural identity is both divisive and dangerous. Migration is about change, not ossification.

    • Economist says:

      09:52am | 23/11/10

      I really don’t like misinformation.

      @Xenephobe? No, realist
      For Denmark less than 10% of the population were born overseas with over half of these from other European countries.

      For the Netherlands approximately 20% of the population were born overseas with around half from Muslim countries, but they may not be Muslim. 

      Please enlighten me as to the problems they are experiencing?
      For Britain, less than 10% is non-white, but there are areas within Britain where the non-whites account for 30% of the population i.e. London and Leicester’s. Are these the stories you’re hearing about as to why multiculturalism is failing?

      As for Australia, around 24% of Australia’s population were born overseas and of these 20% are from the UK. Roughly about 5-7% were born in Muslim countries (but they may not be Muslim), with the largest group being from Indonesia. We are far from being swamped by Muslims. What is this critical mass of Muslims that the anti-immigration crowd talk about? When are they planning to take over?

      As for the effectiveness of Multiculturalism in Australia we have the highest rate of interracial marriage in the world i.e. it is estimated that in Australia 64% of all marriages in a year are interracial marriages, comparatively in UK the marriage rate is 1.4%, the USA was 2.9%, Canada 3.6% and New Zealand is 15.6% of all the marriages in a year. Ask yourself why is Australia so successful? Could it be our laid back attitude, is it that we like a good root regardless of the cultural background?

      I don’t see Multiculturalism as a problem. So ask yourself are the problems you are talking about due to media beat ups and selective recall of these stories?

    • John says:

      10:43am | 23/11/10

      I guess you need to look more into Europe and Australia. Riots, Crime, Rapes, Islamic imperial goals of taking Europe. Also the fact the majority of immigrants to the west don’t hold a favorable view of white Europeans, most are being fed and housed by the white tax payer. I’m sorry but I would not allow anyone into my house if they had no respect for me and was a burden. I wonder how many immigrant youth in Europe sexually harass white Europe woman? The subject tends to be ignored, what about the terrible rapes and crimes? in Europe? What it seems to be is that minority’s seem to only look at things that interest them, and so do white Europeans. But these two having conflicting interests which means multiculturalism can not work. You need social cohesion.

    • Economist says:

      11:19am | 23/11/10

      John where is your evidence that the majority of crime is being committed by immigrants. What ritos are you talking about in Australia> Cronulla was effectively a blip. If the evidence is there I’m more than happy to reassess my position.

      For sexual assault, what are you focusing on? I’m not going to say ban football because footballers are more likely to commit assaults (though I wouldn’t necssarily say this was a fact either, but it’s certainly a perception)?

      I’m curious have you bee a victim of crime from immigrants?

      I’d say In Australia we have social cohesion. Sure some Islamic individuals may have signficant differences from us, and many in this community may not accept us, etc. But there are plenty that do. Surely it depends on their own upbringing and level of tolerance. I generally find the Turkish to be far more accepting of Westerners possibly because Attaturk made them a secular state same for Indonesians, Jordanians (though note I’m sterotyping here, I have no evidence of this assertion, just my own experience).

    • jack says:

      11:33am | 23/11/10

      Economist, migration to Australia has been a success despite official multiculturalism, not because of it.

      Migration here is successful not because migrants can keep their old cutlure but because they can become Australians in every sense. That is what the Europeans largely don’t understand.

      Of course migrants will always keep those parts of their old culture which they value and which are compatible with life in Australia, but they would do that anyway, and don’t need govenment departments or policies to tell them that.

    • jack says:

      11:37am | 23/11/10

      BTW Economist, Australia was a successful migration country for many many years before mulitcultarilism became the policy, and has not been notably more sucessful since.

    • Economist says:

      01:34pm | 23/11/10

      No I get it now. We’re narrowing the definition of multiculturalism to the cultural aspects that we find offensive only, there other cultural aspects which they bring are perfectly acceptable. What are these?

      Perhaps we should look at other cultural aspects that we initial thought were offensive, but eventually accepted or embraced. Diet, that foreign food was initially detested now is accepted. Festivals/holidays, why would we want to celebrate Chinese New Year, how dare they thrust their culture on us, but yet you would find many non-Chinese attending these celebrations today.  Work ethic, surprisingly these foreigners want to work, sure they might take off personal time, or in some instance the employer may approve, for prayer and celebrations, but it doesn’t make them less productive. As for welfare bludgers well initially they can’t receive welfare and family members have to sign Assurances of Support so they are not a burden on the tax payer. Is it support for their old country in sport etc. Well the Aussies in Britain still support us in Test cricket? Is it funding of organisations in their home country? If these are terrorists organisations then it’s simply illegal.

      What are these government programs you’re talking about? There’s the Discrimination Act and in the area of education we allow schools along religious or affiliation grounds, but not by race, but it’s not just Islamic schools, we have Steiner, Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant etcWhat are you offended by Indigenous welcoming ceremonies or acknowledging the Indigenous community who’s lands we reside on? This is ceremony to show respect, not exactly offensive.  I don’t see the government imposing foreign beliefs on the rest of the population, but simply asking for a level of tolerance and making it illegal for discriminating on this basis. 

      I think the issue at hand is really one of tolerance from everyone.

      You know there are so called Australian cultural aspects that offend me and quite frankly there are views and opinions from Australians that I don’t like. It doesn’t mean that I’m going to tell them to shut down and not express their opinion and tell them to leave.

    • AdamC says:

      01:58pm | 23/11/10

      Actually, Jack raises a good point here. Australia indeed was successfully importing masses of immigrants before it implemented an overtly multiculturalist policy.

    • jack says:

      03:29pm | 23/11/10

      Economist, you might be surprised to know that people celebrated Chinese New Year and ate Chinese, Italian, Greek, etc food in Australia before there was a policy of multiculturalism, and before there were Ethnic Affairs Commissions or government departments promoting “diversity”.

      More than that they would do so whether any such policy or bureaucracy existed or not. All that the policy has added is lots of diviseness and wasted money.

      I do understand that Aussies in the UK support Australia in sport, as our local Kiwis barrack for the All Blacks, local Sri Lankans etc. It would not be unexpected to see French of North African descent support say Algeria against France, but it should be a little disturbing to see French citizens jeer and boo all the way through their own national anthem, in addtion to jeering their national team. 

      That is an example of multiculturalism as it practised in Europe.

      It has been a conspicious failure, and is the reason for the rise of anti-immigrant sentiment there. If we want to preserve our immigration programme, and we should, we need to understand what is required to keep public support for it.

    • Economist says:

      06:55pm | 23/11/10

      Adam C and Jack. I’d appreciate you elaborating on exactly what these “overtly multicultural policies are?

    • Trav says:

      09:52am | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism is an abismal failure when migrants refuse to become part of an Australian society - instead hanging on to whatever demented believes they had before coming here. If thats what you wantm then bugger off back to where you came. Australian USED to be a wonderful place until the violence of ethic culture invaded our homes.
      Just imagine tring to go to a Musso country and enjoy a beer, or babes in bikinis - mmmph. Hypcrites - go home.

    • Zac says:

      10:09am | 23/11/10

      James,

      Can you answer me this: why do we need a multicultural society when we already have a egalitarian culture and society built on Australian culture which is underpinned by Christian values. All that we need is a multiracial society NOT a multicultural society. The agenda of leftists is to destroy the dominant culture of Australia and Christianity. The idea of multiculturism is to tolerating intolerant multicultural values.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      12:15pm | 23/11/10

      Yes, but they DON’T tolerate multicultural values when it doesn’t suit them. Ask the pro-multiculturalists how they feel about female genital mutilation, which is a cornerstone of some cultures.

    • Ben says:

      10:16am | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism = Fail

      To say it has succeeded in Australia as a good thing is a narrow minded ignorant view.

      The fact is it has succeeded for the bad in diluting the Australian Culture to were it is hardly even recognised anymore.. and we have an influx of NON English speaking people who stick to there groups and do not addapt to the Australian way of life and then go about to change it into something more like were they came from.

      No well I’m sorry but get the hell out of Australia and go back home were your political religious and cultural views are more attuned to what you want, you are not welcome here and should not have came in the first place.

      How many immigrants have read the constitution of Australia ??  Im guessing almost none.

      But they will vote for a left right government who itself does not adhere to the constitution..

      Why should we be giving handout checks to immigrants?  If you come to Australia get to work and pay your way.

      Instead we have an influx of immigrants who get handouts from the government and are a blight on what Australia should be.

    • rufus says:

      12:05pm | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism doesn’t = fail. The first word is a noun, the second a verb. Your command of English = a failure. Didn’t stop you writing hundreds more sloppy words, however.

    • Barry says:

      07:28pm | 23/11/10

      How many 3rd and 4th generation Australians have read the constitution? Not many I would imagine…

    • gus says:

      10:29am | 23/11/10

      And how many Jews were murdered.in european ghettos by Christian crusaders

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      05:22pm | 23/11/10

      Adolf Hitler saw himself as a good Christian too

    • Greg says:

      10:44am | 24/11/10

      Adolf Hitler did not see himself as a good Christian. You are just making that up.

      He was nominally a non-practicing Catholic, but never attended church as an adult and had very cool relations with church heirarchy.

      He was probably more pagan than anything, with an interest in Norse mythology.

    • iansand says:

      10:29am | 23/11/10

      You have definitely flushed out the fruitcakes.

    • Greg says:

      04:32pm | 23/11/10

      Is that all you’ve got? No rebuttal. No reasoned argument. Just call people names if they dare to have a different opinion from yours?

    • iansand says:

      08:00pm | 23/11/10

      No need for reasoned argument when there is nothing reasonable against which to argue.

    • Greg says:

      08:51am | 24/11/10

      And I suppose that you get to define what is reasonable and what isn’t?

      That’s convenient for you, especially when you are losing a debate, as is indicated when you are reduced to calling people names.

    • David says:

      10:33am | 23/11/10

      People must be aware that individuals make up societies. As such there is a wide variation in belief even within a single society. Just as christian people may have varied beliefs although all be grouped as christians. The problem with multiculturalism is not invading cultures taking over Australia rather Australian’s inability to appreciate the differences which are apparent in all societies. Governements encourage the mislead concept of group uniformity to serve political purposes and ignore the real problems such as poor policy.

    • David V. says:

      10:54am | 23/11/10

      Angela Merkel became the first national leader to admit multiculturalism has failed. Ethnocentricity should not be a crime- it’s a virtue to be honoured, but the Holocaust-induced guilt has made it anathema in the Western world until now, even though Israel is allowed to be an ethnocentric (Jewish) state and allowed to commit atrocities towards defenceless Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank.

      If multiculturalism is successful, then why is Belgium always on the brink of falling apart? Why is Quebec always threatening to secede from Canada? Why did Yugoslavia fall apart? Because two or more nationalities thrown together simply doesn’t work.

    • Mike says:

      11:23am | 23/11/10

      I agree, David, the cracks are showing and it’s really becoming quite obvious. The media still gives the average Aussie their feel-good multiculti brainwashing to keep them in step and uni’s are still Marxist training grounds and for the most part it’s still working, but I wonder how much longer it can go on. I mean we really were so much better off in the 80s and earlier. Back when we still made stuff ourselves that was ‘expensive’, and people had much less to live off, but they were happy. There wasn’t any of this constant focus on “net worth”, white-collar service-sector voodoo economics rubbish, and above all communities and people were just so much closer. The left will tell us we’re backward and our thinking outdated, but how much better off are we nowadays than before this all started, really? We aren’t.

    • Bob says:

      11:26am | 23/11/10

      The question is not about nationalities or ethnicity at all. The question is about the differences which exist among all people. Labels are often used in political debates to dehumanise people. If your assumption is correct people of different political persausion could not live in harmony. Thus, Australia should be divided into a different areas according to a multitude of beliefs ie christians can live in the east, people who support environmental issues can have adeliade, so on so forth. It is just more political convenient to blame multiculturalism than address the real issue of a diversely opionated society.

    • Duff says:

      12:29pm | 23/11/10

      Mike - cheer up, mate.  They actually measure these things and if you do a bit of research you’ll find that we are actually much wealthier than we were in the 80’s and we live longer, happier lives.  However, what DOES happen, as you get older, is that you start to see the past with rosy glasses and if you’re not careful you become so convinced that everything used to be so much better in the past, that you start to ignore all the good things you have now and generally become a miserable old fart.  That’s when you start blaming everything on immigrants, because they make excellent scapegoats.

    • Economist says:

      05:42pm | 23/11/10

      Bob beautifully put.

    • Michael says:

      11:10am | 23/11/10

      The thing the liberal-minded posters are going to have to get used to is that this sentiment is on the upswing and more than likely is going to continue the more the underlying factors that have caused it continue (and I don’t see an end in sight for the moment). You can try to stick band aids on it and keep it sealed together with duct tape and bubblegum but the fundamentals were gotten so wrong from the get-go that you may be able to draw it out a while longer but ultimately it’s doomed to failure. And that’s where it can really get ugly.

      What I really notice when I visit Asia is how much more smooth everything feels. You visit Japan, or Korea, or China, and there’s just this sense that everyone is on the same page, everyone understands each other and theres no real disconnect. Contrast that to Oz, when you get back, and you hear what feels like every language under the sun (other than your own sometimes), you have communities (starting to make up whole suburbs) that voluntarily segregate themselves, communities that have no real wish to mix with each other than for tokenistic stuff for the cameras on multicultural week, neighbours who don’t talk to each other anymore (which in part is a result of multiculturalism, especially in big cities, and even amongst people of the same ethnic group - some Havard professor did a study on this - to paraphrase, people “stick their necks in like turtles” and avoid contact a lot more), and other than to eat at a foreign food restaurant once in a while there’s not a great deal of real cross-cultural interest that I see going on.

      Now it’s not all bad, I know, but really, I think the negatives have reached a point where they’re really started to tip the balance away from the positives. And it’s going to keep going in that direction for the foreseeable future. And that will culminate in the formation of a similar populist party right here in Oz, without a doubt.

    • James says:

      12:07pm | 23/11/10

      I lived in Asia for 20 years. It is simple, they don’t allow anyone from another culture to make a splash or mess with theirs. They don’t tolerate the fluffy PC rubbish we allow here and they deport those who do not fit and they are not multicultural. 

      In some places they have laws in place to protect their culture (the ruling one) and deal harshly with those who do not conform.

    • Ryan says:

      11:17am | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism is a joke, the most liberal of Europeans have woken up to this fact and are finally taking some action to save what is left of their countries, their jails are overflowing with imported criminals and they have frankly had enough. I guess it looks like we will have to learn the hard way!

    • Canuck says:

      11:31am | 23/11/10

      David, yes, Quebec often threatened to seperate and, yes, there was a lot of discussion and referendums on that issue.  The Canadian federal government made lots of concessions to the french canadians and there was, certainly, a degree of resentment to those concessions at the time and it shaped the country’s view of itself a great deal.

      But, I ask you, has the approach failed?  Actually, no.  The Canadian economy is strong.  The people are happy.  The quality of life is high.  It is seen as among one of the top places to live in the world.  In what way has it failed?  You’ve identified the growing pains and the necessary adjustments that had to be made to accomodate the choice of going ‘multi-cultural’, but the ultimate result is a relatively happy society that has been bolstered by the influence of French society living side-by-side an historically English one.  The Canadian experience with the French is actually an example of success.

    • David V. says:

      02:21pm | 23/11/10

      Quebec has language laws which are discriminatory and had any “Anglo” province or, frankly, any other country tried to pass them would be termed discriminatory and violation of human rights.

      The only reason Quebec hasn’t separated is because 1) the non-French (namely the Anglo and immigrant populations) are solidly against it and 2) Quebec couldn’t survive economically on its own. And that’s because there was a large “brain drain” from the 70s onwards when many Anglos left Quebec.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      11:32am | 23/11/10

      Prediction, the next terroist attack on Oz will be blue eyed & probably blonde

    • Greg says:

      01:13pm | 23/11/10

      Yes, they will find some low-IQ patsy and convict him without a trial, with no transparent investigation or even any impartial media coverage.

      Anybody who asks any associated awkward questions will be branded a conspiracy theorist.

      Oh wait, it’s already happened. He was called Martin Bryant.

    • Kevin says:

      11:46am | 23/11/10

      The difference between the Muslim immigrants and all the other groups mentioned (Irish, Italians, Chinese etc) is that Muslims always think of themselves as Muslim first and Australian second….and Islam is fundamentally incompatible with a secular, representative democracy such as Australia’s.
      This is the thin end of the wedge. Once they have some Sharia law in place then it won’t be too long before we ARE flooded and all Australian women have to walk around wearing sacks, can’t drive, can’t go to school and the only book men can read will be the Koran and our country will hit Third World status in line with the Islamic desert paradise utopia’s of Yemen and Afghanistan.

    • averill says:

      11:48am | 23/11/10

      Quote from Wiki-
      ” Multiculturalism
      Multiculturalism is the appreciation, acceptance or promotion of multiple ethnic cultures, applied to the demographic make-up of a specific place, usually at the organizational level, e.g. schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities or nations. In this context, multiculturalists advocate extending equitable status to distinct ethnic and religious groups
      without promoting any specific ethnic, religious, and/or cultural community values as central.[1] “
      The bottom line says it all !!!  No central values - Australia goes to pot.

    • David V. says:

      11:54am | 23/11/10

      The reason our country is attractive to immigrants in the first place is because the British built a successful country, the British work ethic is virtually infallible.

      If all people and cultures were equal, then why have the Germans and Japanese created most of the successful industry and technology of our times despite being robbed of their sovereignty by the Allies?

    • Jo says:

      11:59am | 23/11/10

      The silence from the Indigenous population regarding this most recent ‘invasion’ has been deafening .... oh but that’s right, Mundine is a Muslim now isn’t he? Just wondering how the rainbow serpent fits into the Koran….

    • James says:

      12:02pm | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism grew out of the Utopian movement of the last century. It posits the utopian ideal that people of diverse backgrounds can coexist peacefully in one place. Like the Utopian ideal this does not work in the real world.

      On the one hand James is suggesting that the children of such groups integrate and accept the Australian way of life or the Melting Pot approach. On the other he rightly points out that like attracts like and people of similar cultures tend to cluster onto cultural groups. The examples given however are for those who may come from different countries but are still similar in nature i.e. the Judaic Christian Roman Greek mix that created Western civilization and who generally accept the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

      Multiculturalism also only works when equality is upheld as the primary principle, where those in the mix acknowledge that the existing majority culture is accepted and respected and where none of the multicultural groups grows beyond a certain size. History is replete with real examples of how multiculturalism does not work in the real world. Utopians are however not interested in history but in ideals and dreams.

      Groups in Europe, Australian and elsewhere are fighting back because they can see the hard won freedoms that come with a Western civilization are being threatened, challenged and criticized by those from other cultures. They criticize our treatment of women as too lenient, they criticize our education, our music, our sports, our paintings and our morality. They criticize our freedoms of speech and religion. They criticize the way we dress, the way we challenge dogma, the way we debate issues and the way we point out perceived flaws in ideologies. 

      The question is not why many want to preserve our way of life but rather why people like James are happy to see it destroyed. Given that we can’t even seem to work out the multiculturalism of the indigenous population how can an extended version possibly be valid? The other issue that people are starting to kick back against is the special (and unequal) treatment that some cultures are getting in comparison to the majority who don’t.

    • John says:

      01:55pm | 23/11/10

      I believe it came out of communism. The communist theory is that everyone is fighting against each other because of the nation, tribe and religion. There idea was to destroy these three examples, there for creating a communist society. This then created enemy’s with the nationalists(Lovers of their country’s), racialists and religious bodies(Christianity). This why i suspect a communist conspiracy in the media and western governments. They are dissolving nations(EUSSR), promoting multiculturalism, and attacking, criticizing the church for minute issues.  In a sense Liberalism is a branch of Communism

    • Economist says:

      01:59pm | 23/11/10

      This is hysterical nonsense. What way of life are we preserving? What utopian movement? What were they called?

      Is it foreigners with their culture that worry you or more the left right divide? i.e. If you’re on the left our way of life is being destroyed by corporations, environmental terrorism, religions blah blah blah.  If you’re on the right our way of life is being destroyed by unions, AGW nonsense, socialism (not clearly defined, but anything delivered by government), migration, special treatment blah blah blah.

      Do you see what nonsense you’re espousing. Change is the only constant.

    • David V. says:

      03:44pm | 23/11/10

      Many of our families- not least mine- fled Communist regimes in Eastern Europe and we certainly didn’t come here to have Communist thinking imposed on us.

    • Greg says:

      12:03pm | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism has always failed, and always will. It’s existance is an indicator of a nation or empire in decline, as demonstrated throughout history, from the Roman, Spanish and Ottoman Empires up until more recent examples like Yugoslavia, Czechoslavakia, India/Pakistan, the Soviet Union, Rwanda and Sri Lanka.

      Most western democracies across Europe, North America and Australia & New Zealand are also now well advanced in their decline.

      In contrast, no great nation or empire has ever risen from multicultural origins. Diversity is divisive.

      Multiculturalism destroys social cohesion and national identity. It dissolves any sense of shared values, purpose or ancestry. It leads to a schizophrenic national identity, represented by a disparate bunch of conflicting tribes.

      These conflicts have a purpose, in temporarily distracting the mass population and delaying a unified uprising against the ruling classes. Increasing unrest will have to be suppressed with increasing government controls until the whole system ultimately implodes.

      The unfinished business of the GFC (aka the greater depression) will probably bring this to a head within 5 years. Every tribe will look out for their own (it is a basic survival instinct), and nobody will care about the nation or its government.

    • Rose says:

      12:11am | 24/11/10

      In my corner of the world multi-culturalism is a huge success. There are several different cultures within my own family now, my children go to a schools which both have nearly 50 seperate nationalities, cultures   and/or religions represented within the student body (Catholic schools) and I work with people of several different cultures, religions and nationalities. I love it, I have learnt so much about other people, the lives they lead, their belief systems and what is important to them and why. The main thing I have noticed is that ultimately we all want the same thing regardless of our backgrounds. We all want to lead secure lives with our healthy and happy families. We may not always agree with the way people go about trying to achieve this, but most people genuinely want what’s best for the people they care about.  If Australians choose to allow multiculturalism to work we all benefit. If Australians choose to ostracize migrants and refugees then Australians are just as responsible for what goes wrong as the newcomers are.
      I for one do not want to live in a society where only one culture is allowed, I want to live in a society where people are free to be who they are and are comfortable enough to allow others to be themselves too and at the moment I do.

    • Greg says:

      09:11am | 24/11/10

      So the whole of western civilisation should be destroyed just because Rose is happy at the moment?

      Guess what Rose, it’s not all about you.

      Australians cannot allow multiculturalism to work because it never can. It has failed in every nation that has been infected with the policy, and always will.

      No amount of “wanting it to work” will change this. It would be nice if kittens and puppies didn’t get run over by cars, but they do. It would be nice if children didn’t die of cancer, but they do. Some things just won’t happen or not happen just because that’s what people want.

      The truth is that people don’t want the same things, and the differences are magnified between different cultures. And some of those cultures demand that everybody complies with their rules.

      Western culture is the one that, after centuries of struggle, allows the most variation. But this is now it’s greatest weakness, and will cause its destruction.

    • proud wog says:

      12:05pm | 23/11/10

      All I can say is to all the people complaining about muslims/indians whatever, SUFFER - because when the Greeks and Italians came here 50 years ago, they were nothing but wogs and dagos, now suddenly they are ‘good migrants’ as opposed to those ‘bad migrants’

    • AssemblyLineHuman says:

      12:07pm | 23/11/10

      The aborigines had no control over their immigraiton either.  Neither did the native americans,.  This article is sheer denial.  The worse the problem is, the more the denial machine kicks in.

    • Keeping It Real says:

      12:24pm | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism needs two things, firstly it needs to be balance, it is important that one demographic does not become overly dominant as this leads to satilite citys that are dominated by one race or another which has occured in the past particularly in Sydney. The 2nd is just as important and that is education of the populous. What this means is that both indiginous Australians and new arrivals need to be educated in the basics of Australian culture which includes live and let live, not attempting to force change on others and become part of the community. These are the fundementals to successful immigration.

    • Scott says:

      12:31pm | 23/11/10

      Wonder why they have a Middle Eastern Crime Squad and not a Norwegian Crime Squad??

    • David V. says:

      12:31pm | 23/11/10

      No multicultural society has succeeded in holding itself together peacefully. And you can see today in the Balkans that the bitterness from ethnic conflict is still strong, and Bosnia and Kosovo still require massive amounts of Western aid to be sustainable and avoid a return to violence. That said, ethnic separation is most desirable, where we have ethnically homogeneous states where people keep to themselves.

    • Diane Bennett says:

      12:35pm | 23/11/10

      The elephant in the room is: Islam and Muslims stand for the complete anihilation of all things non Islam. Muslims do not believe in multiculturalism. They believe in “become one of us, Muslim, or we will kill you” Now how does multiculturalism fit into that equation?

    • Kika says:

      04:51pm | 23/11/10

      Not true. If a minority of the population here believes that Yowies exist - does that mean ALL Australians believe yowies exist. Of course not. If a small minority of Muslims say the world must become muslim we all jump around crazy with fear that the Muslims are going to get us. I’ve never heard more rubbish. Christians also think the world should become Christian to ensure their salvation when Christ returns.  Whatever. There’s always nut jobs everywhere. Wherther they are Muslims, Buddhists, Jews or Christians. Get over it. It won’t happen.

    • Freeman says:

      12:59pm | 23/11/10

      James,

      The fact remains that in a world where the population is increasingly accepting and welcoming to foreign cultures and faiths, one particularly intolerant group is rapidly entering the western world and making life difficult for the balance of the population and is subsequently being rejected. Nice little attempt on your part to compare anti Islamic sentiment in an open minded society to old fashion racism, good luck selling that dead horse.
      “the world appears unstable and many of us feel neglected. It is easy for this sense of instability to be blamed towards outsiders arriving” wow, how patronising is that? How nice that you can explain to us why we find Islam to be a concern.  I guess we should just leave all the thinking up to you?

      “entire industries have been left to die – such as manufacturing. This is not the fault of migration – but follows the abandoning of any real industrial policies” not that this line is even relevant ( I haven’t heard anyone blame migration for fall in manufacturing productivity) but what qualifies you to comment on this? Your experience as a human rights campaigner? I guess some people are just blessed by being born an expert on everything.

    • Clare says:

      01:01pm | 23/11/10

      Oh dear here we go again. As a child of a French/Italian immigrant from Egypt who arrived in the 1950’s, I have watched each wave of prejudice follow the previous one. The Italians and Greeks were all dirty wogs (I bore the brunt of that at school), then the hatred swapped to the Vietnamese in the 70’s. Then I think it was the Serbians and Croatians, then the Turks and Yugoslavs, now it’s the Indians and generic ‘Muslims’, who I suspect are anyone with darker skin who tends to wear slightly unusual clothing. I say to people…as soon as each of these groups gets rich, then they will be accepted. Don’t be poor and on the bottom of the heap in Australia….if you are, you will be blamed for every problem that exists here. We have lots of very wealthy Greeks and Italians now, so noone criticises them anymore…we have celebrity Vietnamese chefs now, so they’re cool….eventually each group will rise from the bottom of the heap and be replaced with another.
      It is so easy to pick on Muslims if you are ignorant. Taking the most extreme positions of a religion, and implying that everyone who follows that religion follows those beliefs is absurd. Go and explore the beliefs of extreme Pentecostalism sometime soon and you will see that bizarre beliefs can be found in any religion. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Hitler, Stalin….not Muslims….The suffering imposed upon Australian Aborigines was done in the name of Christianity.
      If we just want Australia to remain precisely how it is right now (I struggled to find a description here….as we are currently a migrant society, though i suspect that many writers here want Australia to return to some sort of white-bread Anglo-Saxon haven), then we have to close off our borders, and become completely autonomous. No more fighting foreign wars for the US, no more trade for cheap goods in China, now more exotic holidays in Thailand…fortress Australia, here we come.

    • Greg says:

      01:54pm | 23/11/10

      Absolute nonsense. We can have effective border control, social cohesion and international trade all at the same time.

      Whilst it would be a good idea for Australia to abandon her UN endorsed intervenionist foreign policy, the truth is that foreign nations will always be happy to trade with us if the price is right.

      It wouldn’t even matter if we put hate mail in our exports. Business is all about the bottom line. Foreign nations are also happy to take the tourist dollar from anybody.

      But even if this were not true, international trade is not more important than everything else, like our birthright, national identity, sovereignty,  self-determination, and the ability to enjoy our way of life without constant compromises to accommodate foreign and incompatible cultures.

    • Josephine says:

      01:34pm | 23/11/10

      As the child of a migrant, I was raised to think of myself as Australian.  My father chose to migrate to Australia, and always made us aware that it was his CHOICE to come here.  He felt that if he didn’t like it here, he could always return to his country, and the conditions which caused him to leave it in the first place.  I am very sad that with the advent of “multiculturalism” as preached by Mr Grasby and his colleagues, my Australian heritage has been submerged.  I am disappointed that multiculturalism means that my culture is not respected, yet others cultures are.  Why can’t we all live together in harmony?  Let those who want Australia to have the values of other countries, live in those countries, and those who want to live in Australia live here as Australians, with our values of equality, fairness and respect for all.  Those who want oppression, can go the countries which live by that rule.  I have no problem with people migrating here, but they must understand they are coming to a different country, not a branch office of their own.

    • iansand says:

      03:03pm | 23/11/10

      In what way is your culture not respected?  Of which of football, meat pies and Holden cars are you deprived?  Has ANZAC day been suppressed?  Do we celebrate Indian National Day on 26 January instead of Australia Day?  Was the Boxing Day Test cancelled for this year?

    • Greg says:

      04:21pm | 23/11/10

      iansand, one way of disrespecting Australian culture is to imply that it only consists of a 1970s advertising jingle. Such disrespect is pandemic.

      There are also many others who will tell barefaced lies, and deny point blank that Australian culture even exists at all (eg see Chase Stevens above).

      As for cultural suppression, Australia Day is derided as “Invasion Day”, ANZAC Day is criticised as “glorifying war”, Christmas decorations must be replaced by “Happy Holidays”, and Easter and chocolate eggs cannot be celebrated in schools due to a risk of offending non-Christians.

      Ham sandwiches and pork chops are off the menu at all local, state and federal government functions for fear of offending Jews and Muslims.

      Free speech is being suppressed by anti-vilification legislation, which is only enforced if the “victim” is non-white and the “perpetrator” is white.

      So-called “hate crimes” are also on the agenda which give extra penalties to white people accused of committing crimes against non-whites.

      Other freedoms are being suppressed by anti-terrorist legislation, which was never needed when we had a cohesive and unified society.

      Meanwhile the political preference for ethnic and cultural diversity (ie anything non-European) has created so-called “affirmative action” laws which suppress the rights of European-Australians.

      How much more cultural suppression will it take before you acknowledge it? Or do you plan on a deathbed conversion when it will be too late to make any difference?

    • Economist says:

      06:11pm | 23/11/10

      Greg, I see whre you are coming from, but I don’t see it as endemic or endorsed by the State.

      “Australia Day is derided as “Invasion Day” by a minority, more likely on the left - not government endorsed.

      “ANZAC Day is criticised as glorifying war” - yeah by lefties not cultural

      “Christmas decorations must be replaced by “Happy Holidays” - not endemic and a choice. Not enforced by the State.

      “Easter and chocolate eggs cannot be celebrated in schools due to a risk of offending non-Christians” which schools, as a parent I don’t want my kids eating Eater eggs.

      “Ham sandwiches and pork chops are off the menu at all local, state and federal government functions for fear of offending Jews and Muslims” Why are you so desperate for it, have chicken instead. Which functions? It’s done out of respect. The key word is tolerance.

      Anti-vilification legislation, which is only enforced if the “victim” is non-white and the “perpetrator” is white. - To some degree I agree with you on this but how many cases have occurred?

      “anti-terrorist legislation” - mono-cultural countries have anti-terrorist legislation as well - Japan?

      “affirmative action laws” - as in what? employment programs. Again I think you need to understand what discrimination is and where there is a disproportionate power given to one group over another.

      Look if you’re going to argue against multiculturalism have a look at   Putnam’s work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam . Though I’d criticise it on the basis that it wasn’t done outside the US which is a pretty paranoid society.

    • iansand says:

      08:02pm | 23/11/10

      Gosh.  Aint freedom of expression grand.  Unless you want it suppressed…

    • Greg says:

      10:26am | 24/11/10

      Economist, I would refer you to a quote attributed to Franklin D. Roosevelt: “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way.”

      It is an established political tactic to get “independent parties” to demand certain policies to test public reaction. If there is a subsequent public uproar, then the government can avoid any damage by denying any association with the policy, and then wait until a better opportunity to introduce it arises. If there is no public reaction, then the government can introduce their policy immediately, claiming that they are responding to public demand.

      Cultural change does not need to be initiated and enforced via legislation either. The government has all sorts of coercion techniques, including the application or withdrawal of public funding to businesses and lobby groups, as well as orchestrating Big Media advertising campaigns.

      The propaganda about “tolerance” is used because “acceptance” will never be achieved. The demand for tolerance is in reality a demand for apathy from European-Australians, a demand to keep quiet and stop complaining about the destruction of their culture.

      Ask yourself why non-Christians can’t tolerate Easter eggs, or why Jews and Muslims cannot tolerate ham or pork on menus. Why can’t they just eat the chicken, and let others eat whatever they want? Where is their respect for the culture that produced the nation that they want to live in?

      As for the selective enforcement of anti-vilification legislation, it happens every day. It’s always OK for people to use racial insults like redneck, bogan or white trash that are specific to white people. It’s also OK to make blond jokes that are specific to white people.

      In contrast, even using a word that sounds similar to a non-white insult will lead to serious sanction. Google “niggardly”.

      All countries that want to link in to the international airport grid are mandated to apply certain anti-terrorist policies that infringe upon the civil liberties of their citizens. But mono-cultural countries that do not need to be ultra-sensitive to “racial profiling” accusations require far less legislation.

      Affirmative action for one group is negative discrimination for another. It’s simple to understand. Governments treat people equally and on merit or they don’t.

      I am well aware of Putnum’s work. It proves that multiculturalism is divisive and detrimental to society. The fact that he doesn’t like the results of his studies and tries to explain them away just reinforces their veracity.

    • Jayne says:

      02:01pm | 26/11/10

      Greg,

      I AM AUSTRALIAN. I was born here. I am white. My parents and grandparents and their grandparents were born here and are white.

      However, I consider Australia Day to be Invasion Day, I think ANZAC Day glorifies war, I say Happy Holidays because I am not Christian and it encompasses all faiths.

      Which of my freedoms are being destroyed by anti-terrorist laws?
      Should I feel opppressed because it’s frowned upon for me to make derrogatory remarks about people of a different ethnicity? Isn’t that something we should promote? It’s also frowned upon to make derrogatory remarks about disabled people, would you like to have the freedom to do that?

      I must say, if no ham sandwiches at a government function is what has happened due to multiculturalism, I say bring it on.
      I hate ham.

    • Greg says:

      04:44pm | 26/11/10

      Jayne,

      There is no shortage of self-hating white people in Australia. You are just another one. So what?

      If you are so ashamed of your ancestry, heritage and culture, why don’t you go and live within another culture that meets your enlightened standards and better suits your sensitivities? Surely that would be better than associating with the rest of us white trash, wouldn’t it?

      Or could it be that sanctimoniously parroting anti-white propaganda makes you feel morally superior in some way? Is that all you can do to feel better about yourself? Don’t you have any better ways to boost your self-esteem?

      How about becoming becoming an Australian Youth Ambassador for Development volunteer, and taking a trip to Papua New Guinea? You might have a culturally enriching experience. You probably wouldn’t have to eat a ham sandwich either.

      Or do you just want to wait until you can share that type experience with your relatives in Australia?

    • Zac says:

      09:05am | 27/11/10

      Jayne,

      Now I know I did the right when I informed my kids school that I want my kids nothing to with multi-culturalism. With tne amount of anti-Australian, anti-white self pity party and the social engineering that has happened in your thinking and lifestyle I feel vindicated.

      Unapologetically Australian !!!

    • Jayne says:

      10:35am | 01/12/10

      Why am I required to be proud of my entire ancestry and heritage? Do you think white people have never made a mistake and if we have we should ignore it? Every culture has made mistakes, I don’t believe any race to be superior to another.

      All I am pointing out is that your arguement that immigrants have destoyed and implemented the things you listed is not neccessarily true because I am not an immigrant and I feel that way. I am not self-hating or white hating just because I don’t believe in, agree with, or celebrate everything that my ancestors have done throughout history.

      I am proud to be Australian but why does being Australian dictate what my views and beliefs are? Should all Germans be proud of what the Nazis did or get out?

      I am more than Australian, I am a human, I am not defined by the way I look or where I was born. I am defined by the way I think and act and feel. I am proud to be a compassionate person.

      I have high self esteem thank you very much and your personal attacks are completely unneccessary and innappropriate in a forum where we are all expressing our diverse opinions. I hope you don’t treat people in the way you have throughout this discussion in real life.

    • Ricky says:

      02:03pm | 23/11/10

      It is a fact that all cultures are not equal.As Australians we should only allow immigrants from cultures & countries that share religion, history, etc.The current crop of third world dregs we are importing from the middle east & india make no effort to fit in or show any respect to our nation & seem determined to drag their traditional failed third world attitudes into our country.There are parts of sydney now where white Australians are abused or spat on(i have seen this first hand) by these ‘johnny come lately’ immigrants.THIS is the result of multiculturism & having backward, tribal & incompatibleimmigrants thrust on an unsuspecting population.This is a huge concern for many Australians, & need to be addressed before it is to late.

    • bond says:

      03:46am | 25/11/10

      i don’t know your story mate, bt that’s sounds quite racist, lets not include the outlaws, laws are not meant to be broken, and as far as terrorism is concerned the home countries suffer the majority of it after that stupid 9/11 incident which created even more hatred and gap between races and since the ppl in that building were from all sought of races religion and nationalities even Muslims themselves so it was an attack towards every one and after that every body started going crazy, bt anyway this is such a dry topic now…

    • Roger says:

      02:27pm | 23/11/10

      Interesting the comment about communism being cute…is Joolia really that cute?

    • Dave says:

      03:41pm | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism has never ever worked anywhere in the world!  Also there is no-one who can deny it!  It is a deliberately manipulated falacy.  Odd small groups or two individuals co-habit for a while, but not large groups within a country.  The guest always tries to over run the host and this is where the real problem starts.  The host bends to the guest.

    • Richard says:

      04:09pm | 23/11/10

      I think its prudent to learn from other’s mistakes. If you don’t take anything else from this article, take away this one point: Europe’s problems have become so bad that even Sweden (the most progressive country on Earth) is being forced to take a hard-line stand.

      We are warned, do we follow Europe’s example and end up with the same problems here? Or do we try to bring some common-sense and restraint into our policies. Multi-culturalism can work, and is a wonderful, but it needs to be managed very very carefully, and not just administered in an ad hoc, willy-nilly way.

    • Kika says:

      04:32pm | 23/11/10

      I think it would be fair to say that the majority of those people who have commented negatively about Australia and multiculturalism have not travelled. Well, travelled widely and further than the annual camping trip in Yamba.

      Australians love nothing more than to bag ourselves out. We all have no idea how lucky we have it here! We are so lucky to live here. We have so much peace. We have so much space and our air is relatively clean. We have the desert, the rainforest, snow, beaches and country. The government really doesnt care what you do (as long as you do it lawfully and peacefully) And to top it off, if I want Vietnamese for dinner tonight, I can. If I want to have a South Indian curry banquet tomorrow, I can. I can even have decent sushi for lunch tomorrow or a Falafel Kebab. There are people in the western world and particularly Northern Europe who would gag on a slice of garlic let alone be able to partake in such a variety of cuisine as a normal everyday thing. Yes, they have immigration there. But they do not exmbrace it the same way we do.

      Whether you like it or not, you should appreciated the fact we can cook a stiry fry with either bok choy, brocolli or a carrot (all from different places in the world). And even that it’s all fresh locally grown produce and not imported from Panama or something. We have a beautiful diversity here.  It’s not just the food. It’s everything. We are welcoming to those who want to live here and live here in peace with us. If you don’t, leave. The fact is we are Asia (particularly because once you’ve arrived in Singapore on a long haul flight from Europe you feel almost home!).

      I cooked a stir fry for my family in Norway. They didn’t know what rice noodles were or what to do with sesame oil. I was proud to be an Aussie because I knew how to cook with them!

    • Greg says:

      09:09pm | 23/11/10

      Australia is not “the lucky country”. That is a nonsense, claimed many years ago by a far-left ideologue and repeated endlessly by Big Media journalists in the hope that people will be stupid enough to believe it if they hear or read it often enough.

      Australia became a great country as a result of British pioneers who brought western civilisation and values and created a nation out of a wilderness inhabited by a mob of disparate stone-age tribes.

      There was no luck or happenstance involved, and it is an insult to suggest otherwise. Were New Zealand, Canada, the USA also lucky? Can’t anybody see a connection between first world nations and the people who built them? Hasn’t anybody noticed what happens to first world countries (eg Rhodesia and South Africa) when a different bunch of people take over control?

      Do you really believe that trading your birthright, way of life and sovereignty for a Chicken Tikka Marsala is a good deal?

      Australians have never “exmbraced” immigration, as indicated in countless opinion polls. They have been ignored by the ALP who want to import more welfare-dependant constituents, and the Liberals who want to reduce labour costs for their Big Business mates.

      These governments do care what we do, think and say, and if they don’t like it, they make it illegal.

      We are not Asia either. The majority of us have European culture and ancestry, and it is the people who make a country what it is. Change the people, and you change the country.

      I have travelled widely, and I am well aware that people everywhere are finally waking up to this multicultural nonsense. It’s about time.

    • Sarah says:

      01:38pm | 26/11/10

      But Greg, do you think there’s anything wrong with Kika being a proud Australian for the reasons she listed?

      It’s about time patriotism and racial superioty died out. It has no place in our global community. The western way is not the only way, nor is it necessarily the best way. It is only people who live in western countries that think so.

      (And may I point out that I come from extremely European descent and still manage to have these open minded views.)

      It makes me sick that people like you feel so much better than others just because you come from a certain country, and that other people don’t deserve to have the same opportunities as you just because they were born elsewhere.

    • Greg says:

      05:20pm | 26/11/10

      So having a taste for foreign food is a reason to be a proud Australian? Do you even need a reply? Of course it is stupid.

      Of course people in western countries think that their culture is the best. Everybody (with the exception of self-hating whites) thinks that their own culture is the best, otherwise they would change it. The difference is that it is only people in western cultures who are expected to modify and compromise their own culture to suit others, who have already abandoned the countries where their culture was prevalent.

      It is only western culture that is in danger of being modified and diluted into oblivion.

      I’m not the one migrating to other people’s countries and expecting them to change their culture to accommodate me.

      It is not racial supremacism to want to be left alone to enjoy my own culture without continual compromises.

      And if foreign cultures give foreigners better opportunities, then good luck to them. If their culture created the opportunities, then they should get to enjoy the benefits without me gatecrashing the party and changing the rules which made them successful.

    • Zac says:

      08:17pm | 27/11/10

      Hi Greg,

      I should say your comments are one of the best and wise comments I have come across in a long. We need more Australians like you who will stand up for this country and will not victims to divisive leftist ideologies. But this has to become ground realities. I do my best to educate people about this destructive ideology and have been working on some projects to counter and defeat this ideology. That is what we should be doing.

    • Greg says:

      12:27am | 29/11/10

      Thanks Zac.

      I appreciate your feedback, but I’m not laying claim to any special wisdom, just common sense.

      The good news is that common sense is finally starting to become common again. Five or ten years ago it felt like I was a lone voice, with plenty of people agreeing with me but most too scared to say anything themselves. Not any more. It’s like somebody flicked a switch, and there is suddenly huge momentum building.

      I think that the muticultural apologists sense it too, and now they are getting scared. And when they do get challenged, they have no answers, just the usual empty slogans.

    • Zac says:

      12:20pm | 29/11/10

      Greg,

      I agree what we need is not special wisdom rather just common sense and I also see a momentum that is leaning towards common sense. However many of our institutions are dominated by exCommunists, now operating under the greeny-lefty banner. My experience tells me many people with common sense are concerned about political and social issues however that has to transform into a tea party to clean up our society.

    • James Milton says:

      05:04pm | 23/11/10

      All the things espoused in the article (somehow it ALWAYS comes back to ‘food’) are ridiculous. Theater and arts? The internet and traveling shows offer that.

      Multiculturalism has failed. Multiracialism is fine. Multiculturalism is simply dividing the community, just look at the Muslims in Europe, once they reach a certain percentage of the population, the form their own enclave. This is human nature, people from smaller group will always seek each other out and form alliances with each other rather than with ‘different’ people.

    • Sofia Lindstrom says:

      06:08pm | 23/11/10

      Hello James! As a Swede, I find it interesting to read a comparison between anti-immigrant forces in our nations. What struck me most in this article is the need to view the problem of racism from a global point of view, and I really think this is an interesting analysis: “Anti-immigration parties have emerged because many of these aspects of our society have been neglected. If we combine this with a specific globalisation agenda that focuses on competition rather than cooperation, the world appears unstable and many of us feel neglected. It is easy for this sense of instability to be blamed towards outsiders arriving”

      Thank you for an interesting and thoughtful article!

    • stephen says:

      06:59pm | 23/11/10

      Multiculturalism is good for Democracy.
      One important process for a healthy democratization of a nation is the insularity of categorical - though not necessarily contingent - inequalities.
      That is, accepting that a person’s unique cultural and social background that is not typical of a host nation, will have direct input and bearing on common thought and behaviour.
      Differences are interesting as long as they are not injurious to either party.
      Such differences, too, increase, only if we allow it,  - which I think we must -  trust networks throughout our communities.
      So far our attempts at living together has (with accorded differences given the ‘nod’), been thus far a success.
      I don’t think there is a problem.

    • TypicalLiberal says:

      07:56pm | 23/11/10

      Let’s not be PC about this. I don’t like multiculturalism because I feel uneasy seeing dark skinned people walking down the street.

    • notSue says:

      08:47pm | 23/11/10

      I replied to this thread, at some length. However, I wonder if my comments were misread by the moderator? I referred to the drinking game that folks play whenever totatlitarianism/ Hitler is inveitably referred to in blog threads…and perhaps was seen to be condoning racial cleansing.. which of course, I’m not!

      In brief, I agree that a unified, uni- cultural approach is the best course for Australia and that multiculturalism is an outdated strategy. Tolerance, freedom of worship, definitely, but let us all accept that our historical dominant ethical and cultural identity is Anglo- Celtic, and requiring immigrants to adhere to that value system, plus keeping the balance of immigration firmly in that direction is best for our future direc civil peace.

    • Peter says:

      12:05am | 24/11/10

      People from other cultures can mix and have done so since the dawn of time.  Lets be honest though.  Islam can not and never will co-exist with our values.  People of other races whatever you language or colour you are welcome.  Those who follow Islam, we can not live side by side I can not accept your values and you can not accept mine.

      That is the real problem.  Lets be honest and say it.

    • daniel says:

      07:24am | 24/11/10

      Some cultures just don’t work well together. That’s why the entire concept of “Multiculturalism” is bullshit. “Multiracial” or “Multinational” would be better terms to use. You will never be able to get some cultures to work together, because they fundamentally clash, whereas different races of people don’t ever clash. That’s where a lot of problems are coming from today, people think that multiculturalism can work, when it can’t. Integration and assimilation needs to happen. “When in Rome” is right.

    • daniel says:

      07:26am | 24/11/10

      Some cultures just don’t work well together. That’s why the entire concept of “Multiculturalism” is rubbish. “Multiracial” or “Multinational” would be better terms to use. You will never be able to get some cultures to work together, because they fundamentally clash, whereas different races of people don’t ever clash. That’s where a lot of problems are coming from today, people think that multiculturalism can work, when it can’t. Integration and assimilation needs to happen. “When in Rome” is right.

    • John says:

      08:21am | 24/11/10

      Daniel, Rome embraced multiracialism and it collapsed, and still is collapsing if you go to Italy today and you can see the collapse still continue. You have a criminal mafia, corruption and housing decay. When the roman empire collapsed the Germanic tribes took over what was left of Rome, Goth’s took Italy and Spain, Franks took France, Normans took England. Go to Rome and you will notice most Italians look more German then Germans in Munich. What Europe is today is the legacy of the Germanic tribes. If Europe embraces such policy’s again? Who will take over once it collapse’s? The Muslims, the Chinese Communists? There will come a time, when Europe will vote for idealists, to keep their society from crumbling, an ideology of a better society. Where criminals are not tolerated, decadence is frowned upon and corruption eradicated.

    • Matt says:

      08:53am | 24/11/10

      I suspect the native French people who lived in Marseiile would probably sympathise a bit with a lot of these policies. Large parts of the city have been turned into urban slums because of the huge waves of immigration.

      Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book, “Infidel” gives a fascinating insight into immigration in the Netherlands. Interestingly enough she said that multiculturalism is not working there and there should be a greater push for “integration”.

      Perhaps the idealists who talk about multiculturalism from up in their ivory towers should come down and see the results of their handiwork instead of bleating about how bad the anti-immigration policies are.

    • John says:

      09:13am | 24/11/10

      The French seem to be brainwashed into the Communist/Liberal though pattern. It’s a state sponsored ideology. The law of the land, when a political, cultural view is very dominate in a society the majority of people submit to it. I suspect french children are brainwashed in the communist/liberal ideals as soon as they are young. Holocaust denial in France gets you a jail sentence, i guess that says it all. I hope the french can break free from this oppressive ideology and their oppressive slaver masters.

    • Ken says:

      09:48am | 24/11/10

      I screwed a Filipino yesterday and am getting $35 full service from a Jap today.  Multicultaraism is great

    • Ozzy ozzy ozzy says:

      10:26am | 24/11/10

      Australia for REAL Australians!

    • aaaa says:

      06:05pm | 24/11/10

      multiculturalism is goood in many ways, taking care of the legal circumstances of that particular country..if somebody comes and start selling a drug which is not recognized as a harmful drug in the foreign country, dats bad raspberry

    • bond says:

      04:30am | 25/11/10

      u ppl are talking about difference in cultures, I hear about a lot of crazy violent people in my home country and i hate it, we are fighting a war with in our boundaries with the ppl who even belong here only or may be some foriegn, imagine these circumstances. but their are factors that lead to violence, I really believe that education and not only that but knowing and having a global knowledge and perspective of the world, cultures and religions make a huge social and all sought of positive differences and understanding which I think is this time is necessary because the world is connected.. cheers..

    • bond says:

      05:03am | 25/11/10

      in link to my previous comment, I know this is quite off topic, but like I said our national army is fighting with in our borders as the fight against terrorism with some ppl who have infiltrated the country some how and trying to spawn i say so since security is still an issue though it is not official and not obvious, they don’t know who these ppl are, but they claim to be sought of talibans, they don’t know what motivates them and they murder other muslims or whoever in religious places etc anywhere they get a chance just ordinary people who don’t give a shit about anything like that for no reason and some ppl feel that this has all started after 9/11 which would be bias to say now because that is past whatever strategic or political decisions were made.. my perception about this must be quite obvious so i can imagine how a foreigner would think about this…

    • grumpy old man says:

      03:08pm | 25/11/10

      Multiculturalism is about suppressing the rights of the majority and raising the rights of the minority. Its interesting that its only western democracies that have this bizarre concept., middle east, asia, etc , don’t do this. Lee Kuan Yew had a view that you were either a Singaporean or not, you could not be Chinese, Malay, Indonesian etc. I suspect he had the right approach. If you have Australian citizenship, you are Australian, not British, Chinese, Iraqi, etc etc.

    • Jayne says:

      01:28pm | 26/11/10

      What if you have dual citizenship like I do?

    • Greg says:

      04:53pm | 26/11/10

      If you are a hyphenated Australian then it’s likely that you have dual loyalties. In the event of a conflicet, which nation will you choose?

    • grumpy old man says:

      09:46am | 29/11/10

      Greg and Jane, you have chosen to live here haven’t you? So you have made a choice. If you want to be a different nationality, then go live somewhere else. Don’t confuse nationality with race or religion, they are different things!
      I also have dual citizenship, but gave up my other passport when I decided to live in Australia. No conflict for me, just choices I made.

    • Jayne says:

      12:59pm | 26/11/10

      Why can’t you all just be happy and accepting and compassionate and welcoming and kind hearted and open minded and generous and expect the best of people.

      That would make Australia a better place, not banning immigration. You’d also be a lot more relaxed and less whiny, give it a go. It is so much more rewarding doing nice things than it is doing nasty things.

    • Zac says:

      04:21pm | 26/11/10

      Really? Show me a place where it has worked. Let me know if Islamic countries are accepting, compassionate, welcoming and kind hearted and open minded and generous? Why can’t all this be a two way street? Idealism will not protect out country but politically incorrect pro Australian policies will work.

    • Greg says:

      04:50pm | 26/11/10

      Jayne,

      Unless you are under ten years old, you should have advanced beyond reading Pollyanna by now.

    • Jayne says:

      10:50am | 01/12/10

      So we should sink to the level of the cultures we seem to think are so bad and don’t want in this country?

      I read Pollyanna when I was six Greg, not ten, thank you very much.

      It SHOULD be a two way street, but why not aim high? Why not teach by example?

    • Casey says:

      08:35pm | 24/06/11

      Sink to the levels of not accepting barbaric practises?

      I believe that is an oxymoron sir.

      We have bent over backwards and accepted/shown compassion for these Muslims, and yet they still bite the hand of the very people who let them in and gave them a place to live.

      Teaching by example does not work against an ideology that teaches someone that their way is the only way, and everything else is wrong or the enemy.

      We are still bending over backwards for these people, and now England is the largest exporter of Islamic terrorists in Europe.

      Jayne… This is the real world; such idealism actually becomes the catalyst to something very evil. People like you are also quite frankly the reason why these countries have come to this state.

    • Michael.E says:

      10:27am | 29/11/10

      The people waiting to be processed don’t even get along and we keep hearing (and it’s not a media beat up) about brawls, hunger strikes, suicides and people protesting on roof tops. Is this what Australia is looking for?? Is this what our fine country needs in way of immigrants prepared to support our way of life?? Sharia Law should be outlined in every sense of the word from this country. It has no place in modern society or Australia and is very much not wanted. We have the westminster System and these laws have been successful for a group of criminals as I have heard us labelled. Multiculturalism is Not working and needs to be addressed with a total ban on any kind of immigration until our counrty is on it’s feet again and we feel we can accept groups of people with the ideals to come here and support our country and it’s people. Not try to change the way things are done and certainly not by trying to have the rest of us conform to your outdated and barbaric Sharia Laws!!

    • Shockadelic says:

      02:57pm | 31/12/10

      “Migration studies show us that when [European] people arrive in a [European-style] country, they tend to be attracted to where other recognisable [European] migrants are.
      As such, [European] Italians coming to Sydney in the 1950s where attracted to Leichhardt and [European] Greeks (in the 1960s) to Marrickville.
      As time passes, the [European] children of [European] migrants tend to blend into the various other [European] cultures, including the dominant [European] one, and move on.
      This is what we have seen happen [with Europeans] and will continue to happen [with Europeans]. In fact, the [European] children of most [European] migrants want nothing more than to be part of the broader [European] culture”

    • Casey says:

      08:21pm | 24/06/11

      Don’t give into the Multiculturalism crap; our british culture is now watered down and nearly non-existant, our country doesn’t know what values or morals it holds, pandering to Muslim values. We have nearly weekly stabbings by Muslim drug gangs in our town centre that never meet the news, but one Muslim cab driver gets punched by a drunk person in London, and our news becomes fanatical about it.

      Hell Malmo in Sweden had violent protests by Muslims against the Jews of the city, and no one did anything about it, infact all that happened was Jewish families escaped Sweden and their police pretty much told the Jews that it was within their rights to protest. (Throwing bombs at Jews in broad day-light is a right apparently).

      Multiculturalism does nothing but sow the seeds of chaos and divides people; many cultures with severely different morals and values can NOT live along-side one another. It is the opposite of a society.

 

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