Last week was a historic moment for multicultural Australians, a day for which we have waited and fought for five years. When migrants were targeted in the last elections and when some Australian voices joined the chorus of multicultural indictment in Europe, we despaired and thought the day would never arrive.

Cartoon by The Australian's Bill Leak

Last week in Sydney, Minister Chris Bowen announced that Australia has a new Multicultural Policy.

Australia’s last national multicultural policy expired in 2006.  The lack of a national government affirmation of Australia’s multicultural reality has allowed divisive and racist voices to gain legitimacy. The statements of European leaders, which in actual fact spoke more about the failure of their own vision, seemed to fuel abhorrent sentiments in our country.

Minister Bowen’s announcement is timely and urgent.  It indicates that Australian public policy, at least under this government, will not be making easy judgements which deny the reality of increasingly culturally diverse nations. 

By boldly retaining the world multicultural, the policy draws upon an international philosophy and movement and aligns itself with the history of Australian multiculturalism itself.  This is significant in the context of the fact that there has been an increasing tendency in Australia to shirk away from the “m” word.  Terms like social inclusion and social cohesion were used as euphemisms, thus equating culture with the spectrum of vulnerabilities such as disability and gender.

The role of government in setting the tone for a society’s attitudes is not to be underestimated.  There is enough evidence to show that the countries which declare themselves to have failed as multicultural societies are also those where there have been mixed signals from the government in the public sphere about the status of multicultural citizens.

Bowen’s policy pays considerable attention to “celebrating” culture. It focuses on the strengths of cultural diversity and broadens this from the earlier policy discussions of purely economic advantage to other areas such as innovation, international positioning and cultural enrichment. Particularly in a context where there is disproportionate attention being paid to the costs of Australia’s humanitarian migrants, this emphasis on celebration is timely and strategic.

The multicultural policy’s strong commitment to an Anti-Racism Strategy sets this government’s tone for its expectations of all Australians.  The complexity of increasingly diverse societies means that all sides will have to pay equal attention to this strategy.  It implies that reform is possible on all sides and those actions that undermine legal and constitutional frameworks of Australia cannot be condoned.

It can be argued that the policy did not go far enough in some areas.  There are some difficult conversations which have been left untouched. The absence of issues of interfaith dialogues and of the lack of cultural diversity perspectives in the architecture of our infrastructure and systems point to the fact that we still have difficulties in accepting the equality of all cultures. 

The positioning of faith in the public sphere will become a key issue. Currently it is enmeshed in discussions about security and terrorism. For many communities that live in Australia, religion is not optional; it is a fundamental part of their identity.  At some point, we will have to engage with this fact in our policy frameworks and make decisions about how we can protect religious and cultural rights within our liberal democratic system.  In doing this, we will also confront the particular cultural biases of our own political ideologies, which we currently assume to be universal.

The avoidance of some difficult conversations does not take away from the fact that Australia’s Multicultural Policy 2011 is the end of an era marked by avoidance.  Where we once showed leadership in the formulation of multicultural policies, Australia was recently shamed at the United Nations human rights reviews which criticised us for the lack of a national multicultural policy. There is an inextricable link between a multicultural policy and human rights; without a policy there is no point of reference to recognise culture as a factor of human experience.

At the heart of the new Australia’s Multicultural Policy is the essential factor that makes us human - culture. At the very least, in bringing culture back into the public sphere, we have restored some humanity to our public debates. 

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    • Graham says:

      04:59am | 23/02/11

      I would not be too shamed by anything out of the UN mate. Wasn’t Libya one of those countries running the Human Rights pencil over us? I have no problem with Multiculturalism if it is a two-way street, but being a White Anglo—Celt, the gravy pot never gets down to my end of the table. I love going to work and paying taxes so people who have migrated here and are now ‘Aussies’ with their shiny new passports of convenience can feel like they are back home! A top system. You must have left for a reason, and it is probably something a few need to dwell on. There is enough pie here for everyone, just hook in and help the country, and stop the victim crap. We cannot afford it anymore and we don’t need the division. Be civil, obey the law, practise your religion (but remember, it’s your religion and we don’t need to hear about it or have it affect our safety or cohesion)

    • John says:

      05:48am | 23/02/11

      What is so bothersome about the way those from other religions practise their faiths? I’ve never had a Muslim knock on my door to discuss how I can get closer to his god. Buddhists, Daoists, Hindus ... they all leave unbelievers pretty much alone.

    • BofB says:

      06:37am | 23/02/11

      Can someone explain the benefits of “multiculturalism”? I’m not talking my local Kebab shop, or curry house… what does Australia get out of it?

      I have no general problem with migration - I think it should be targeted based on skill, and likelihood of successful integration (integration in the sense that they’re harmonious with their new environment).

    • sure thing says:

      07:14am | 23/02/11

      Hey John, Muslims don’t knock on your door because they are to busy knocking on the World Trade Centres.

    • Bonestar says:

      07:25am | 23/02/11

      John, do you not remember the young men who were convicted last year of planning a murderous attack on our infidel army at the Holsworthy barracks. Seems they have a lot of respect for unbelievers.

    • mary says:

      07:28am | 23/02/11

      As white Anglo’s we take it for granted that the (Australian) world evolves around our religion. We hear about it every single day.
      Our calender is for instance based on the birth of Christ, BC and AD. What about the holy festival at the end of the year? etc etc, we shove it in their faces all the time.

    • acotrel says:

      07:41am | 23/02/11

      @Graham
      ‘(but remember, it’s your religion and we don’t need to hear about it or have it affect our safety or cohesion) ‘

      I’ll bet you’re not game enough to say that to George Pell or Fred Nile, the Mormons or the Exclusive Bretheren? You might tell that to Tony Abbott!

    • TChong says:

      08:11am | 23/02/11

      ‘sure thing"sounds like a “one of “name to hide a bit of bigottry.
      There are hundreds of millions of muslims, you ignorant prat., and I hope they all come after such a pig brained trog , like you.
      Be afraid, very afraid. You deserve it.

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      08:36am | 23/02/11

      @ mary - They came to our country and should know we have our own traditions. Would you be shocked and find it “shoved in your face” if you went to the UAE or Saudi Arabia during Ramadan? Or is it only western traditions that are bad and “shoved in peoples faces”?

      Also AD and BC are being taught as incorrect in our highschools and universities, it is now BCE (Before Common Era) and CE (Common Era)

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:59am | 23/02/11

      ‘‘Also AD and BC are being taught as incorrect in our highschools and universities, it is now BCE (Before Common Era) and CE (Common Era) ‘’ 
       
      yer kidding. What complete fucking bollocks.

    • TChong says:

      10:31am | 23/02/11

      Tony, the reason BCE is used is because, for the vast majority of the world, BC and AD are irrevalant concepts, much the same as Australia basing any event before and after the birth of Buddha.
      Why assume the life and times of 1 mythical character( Mr JH Krist ) are any more or less world changing than any other figure from fables?
      BCE is common sense. It also solves the problem of when exactly Mr Christ was born. 33 years prior to his “death” , or 33years, + another3 years(possibly). as many scholars seem to think.
      Using BCE is not about “giving in “to Islam, or anything else.
      Its about a non judgemental chronology of history.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      10:49am | 23/02/11

      TChong - it is appeasement AGAIN! 
       
      Have the Muslims changed *their* calendar? Thought not…

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:14am | 23/02/11

      Funnily enough Mary, I thought our calendar, like many things western Europe is based on, such as Laws, philosophy, medicine, political systems etc stemmed from Ancient Rome/Greece…...

    • Irreligious says:

      12:37pm | 23/02/11

      I prefer BCE etc to BC and AD. I don’t think calendars should be based around a religion I have no part in. I don’t care if that upsets a few bigots.

    • gelfen says:

      01:10pm | 23/02/11

      Irreligious -  you may not think calendars should be based around a religion you have no part in, but as a matter of history that particular religion was largely instrumental in the development and correction of the modern calendar.

      Your involvement in that religion is far less relevant than the involvement of that religion in the calendar.

    • mary says:

      02:27pm | 23/02/11

      @TheRealDave. Thanks for the reminder, our laws for instance based on the commandments, do not lie, kill, steal etc. Ask the US about what their laws are based on and many court houses there still proudly display .. or do they?

      @Geoff I’m not calling our western traditions bad. I merely responded to Graham saying that we don’t tell anyone about our religion, don’t need to, it’s our way of life.

    • sure thing says:

      02:27pm | 23/02/11

      tchong, Can’t handle the truth?

      I’ll re-word it for you then. Christian, Budhists, Hindus, Atheists and anyone non-muslim were NOT involved in destroying the World Trade Centres.

      Paint it how you want sir, and let us make up our own minds without your bigotry against anyone without you narrow views.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:57pm | 23/02/11

      @Mary. Yes, because no other form of government in history had laws about murder, theft, rape, coverting your neighbours donkey and whatnot etc before the Bible came along. Must be why God was such a bastard in the Old Testament…what with all that murder, raping and donkey coveting that was going on everywhere no wonder he was turning people into Pillars of Salt and flooding the world with gay abandon…....

      Might I suggest studying actual factual history rather than fictional fairy tales?

    • Sean Williams says:

      05:37am | 23/02/11

      So now Australia has the “best multiculturalism in the world”. Is no topic or facet of life immune from contemporary Australia’s smug, misplaced sense of superiority? Countries as smug and self-satsfied as this tend to be heading for a fall.

    • Jade says:

      07:07am | 23/02/11

      Anyone who doesn’t see we are already heading for a fall is idiotic, if the UK and Europe is anything to go by anyway… we are well on our way.

    • acotrel says:

      07:44am | 23/02/11

      France doesn’t do too badly with multiculturalism.  I was surprised to see black people treated with such respect, especially after the way some of our shopkeepers treat our own.

    • HappyCynic says:

      07:56am | 23/02/11

      Anyone who isn’t one-eyed, brain dead and illiterate can see that this country is mostly rich, peaceful (to the point of absolute boredom), accepting, friendly and diverse.  It’s a terrific country and not even the haters (like Jade) can bring it down no matter how much they want to see it happen.

      Haters are always gonna hate though so hate away but do it quietly where noone else can hear you.

    • Jade says:

      09:35am | 23/02/11

      Hardly a hater @ Happy Cynic, I have many friends from different nationalities all around the world and am quite accepting of everyone regardless of their skin colour/religion/country of origin. 

      The fact of the matter is that there are too many people who don’t like each other and to much pandering to the minority groups of Australia.  The shit is bound to hit the fan at some stage.

    • Zaf says:

      10:06am | 23/02/11

      “to[o] much pandering to the minority groups of Australia”

      Multiculturalism just means that we stop pandering to your minority views.  Just because most Australians are white doesn’t mean that they all think the same way about everything.  An obsessive fear of Muslim migration is a minority view claiming to be a universal one.

    • jade says:

      10:57am | 23/02/11

      @ Zaf, no one is talking about having a fear of Muslim migration in this tread.  I am friends with a Bosniak Muslim, why would I have a fear of them migrating here?

    • Grumpy says:

      11:59am | 23/02/11

      cmon Jade, theres got to be one “race” you dont like a little bit? one that gets on your nerves, and annoys you when you hear that accent on the end of the phone…

    • Geoffrey Chaucer says:

      12:27pm | 23/02/11

      Acotrel,

      You said: *France doesn’t do too badly with multiculturalism*

      True, but with one very big exception. One particular culture is causing a lot problems in that country.

    • Luce says:

      01:48pm | 23/02/11

      acotrel, it’s not the black people they feel as being the cause of failure for multiculturalism..

    • Jade says:

      02:10pm | 23/02/11

      @ Grumpy… if we bring ones that call on the phone into the question… there would be a lot…

    • mike says:

      05:37pm | 05/04/11

      acotrel I didn’t realize that black skin was a culture.

    • Erick says:

      05:38am | 23/02/11

      Interesting cartoon. What did the Aborigines gain from multiculturalism and uncontrolled immigration?

    • Danny says:

      07:21am | 23/02/11

      They were let in about the invention of the wheel, agriculture and medicine.

    • Dar says:

      07:22am | 23/02/11

      Had the British not invaded Australia Erick, it would have been someone else, probably Dutch, Portugese, French, Japanese. Things could have worked out a whole lot worse for them.

    • L. says:

      07:31am | 23/02/11

      “Interesting cartoon. What did the Aborigines gain from multiculturalism and uncontrolled immigration? “

      The wheel
      Running water
      Electricity
      Roads
      Modern medicine
      A tripling of their life span
      etc etc etc

    • acotrel says:

      07:48am | 23/02/11

      Erick, the aborigines are the reason we have possession of Australia ‘by right of conquest’! We won it after 50 years of war was waged against them by free settlers in the early 1800s.

    • acotrel says:

      07:51am | 23/02/11

      Dar, what would be worse than being cornered and massacred as happened in NW Tasmania?

    • Joan says:

      07:51am | 23/02/11

      They not only lost their land,  they are minority in their own country with another religion, another language, another way of life forced upon them .No assimilating or intergrating by the English here.  A handful of boats turned their whole their destiny their culture upside down . It can happen to Australia today,,, not by force though .... if you don`t stand up or value who you are, your culture, your religion…. someone else more certain of who they are will do it for you and take up the vacuum you create.

    • acotrel says:

      08:03am | 23/02/11

      @Joan,
      You might need to learn Indonesian? - much more likely than Australia becoming an islamic state because of asylum seekers!

    • Wednesday says:

      08:44am | 23/02/11

      @Dar

      It could’ve been a lot worse… or a lot better.

    • James1 says:

      09:21am | 23/02/11

      Woah.  Not only can I understand Joan’s post, but I actually agree for once.

      That is how you prevent your culture from disappearing - not by preventing others from practicing theirs within the law, but by practicing your own.  The existence of different cultural practices does not diminish your own, as long as you continue to value and cherish it, any more than a person with brown skin makes yours any less white (assuming of course you are white).

      It would be a weak person indeed who gave up their culture just because someone else is different.  Your culture will only disappear if you let it.

    • Joan says:

      09:34am | 23/02/11

      Acotrel… If I have to learn Indonesian then an Islam Australia is a certainty - Indonesia largest Islamic state in world -90% population followers of Islam total population of Indonesia approx 230million

    • James1 says:

      10:31am | 23/02/11

      And Joan is back to form.  Barely coherent and factually incorrect, sprinkled with irrelevancies.  Everything is as it should be once again.

    • Luce says:

      02:14pm | 23/02/11

      Actually, James1, she’s not far off with her facts on Indonesia. It might not have the highest rate of Muslim adherents of any country, but it definitely has the highest number (202m out of a population of 238m)

    • Michael says:

      11:56am | 09/03/11

      @Joan, when you say “in their own country” I can’t understand who you are talking about. To the best of my knowledge no aboriginal alive today lived through 1788. Your insistence that a country only ‘belongs’ to the first inhabitants is illogical, howabout if there is a cultural change somewhere along the line then who does it ‘belong’ to Joan?

    • John says:

      05:39am | 23/02/11

      After the last election, I was starting to think this Labor Government had completely lost faith in its own political philosophy and liberal (politically liberal, not conservative Liberal Party) policies on multiculturalism would be no more.
      The release of this Multicultural Policy is a sign the government recognises most Australians are not as ignorant or xenophobic as the Coalition and some Labor strategists seem to believe they are.
      An important point of note is the new Multicultural Policy doesn’t put a strong emphasis the conservative’s favourite word when talking immigration and one that is reshaping European approaches under conservative governments: “assimilation”. Proponents of this notion seem to think that if my neighbour cooks Indian food, wears a burqa or celebrates Chinese New Year, it somehow erodes the social fabric. Apparently in their eyes, “multiculturalism” means people coming to Australia, abandoning their own cultures and adopting ours completely - what an interesting and diverse country that would be.

    • acotrel says:

      07:59am | 23/02/11

      John, It seems to be the habit of the Gillard Government hangers on, to watch the rabid actions of Tony Abbott, and judge how he is going.  For a while there he was going great guns, bashing asylum seekers.  So why would anyone mention multiculturalism?  However things have changed and Abbott and Morrison have fallen into bad odour over their cynical , unaustralian treatment of those people as political footballs.  You’ll notice their dead silence on the subject - no more ‘turn the boats back’ or ‘queue jumpers’, not even ‘people smuggler’ or ‘border protection’  stuff!

    • David C says:

      09:04am | 23/02/11

      or maybe there is an election coming in NSW and a lot of the multicultural seats are Labor seats?

    • Peter says:

      09:13am | 23/02/11

      Acotrel..the grubby tactic of slurring anyone who wants to debate our immigration policy as a racist exposes the socialist agenda and the erosion of democracy by this lying and sneaky Labor government.The rest of the world has judged multiculturalism as a failure and rather than head and tread carefully this mob does exactly the opposite.
      Muslims are dying in other countries because they want freedom of speech and here in Australia people like you want to repress it.

    • Rose says:

      09:53am | 23/02/11

      Ultimately assimilation is bad policy, integration should be the main goal. I don’t see why anyone should be expected to give up their language or culture entirely in order to ‘fit in’ here, as even the “Anglo’s” here don’t all have the same culture, beliefs or traditions. What is necessary is the need for all Australians, the new and the old, to live according to Australian law and with respect and tolerance to all others, regardless of their background. The other point is that we Australians cannot expect the newcomers to make all the effort. People carry on about the newcomers not making an effort to mix in the community, but so many in the community will not give them a chance, “F*ck off we’re full” stickers and t-shirts, politicians making sweeping, intolerant and inappropriate statements, poor media reporting and generally discriminatory behaviour makes many new migrants choose to avoid problems by only mixing with their own culture. If Australians truly held out a hand of friendship instead of begrudgingly tolerating their presence, and the newcomers accepting that kind of genuine welcome, we would all get along just fine.

    • centurion48 says:

      06:28am | 23/02/11

      I am happy to have people migrate to Australia from any country but strongly believe that accepting the rights and responsibilities of Australian citizenship should mean that you are a citizen of Australia and no other country.
      How can people hold passports for more than one country? Where do their allegiances lie - in peace or conflict? And I apply this to people from every country including the UK.
      Love the culture, love the food, love the extra colour (clothing and skin) that all immigrants have brought to Australia but just think that if you want to be an Australian then make it a 100% contribution.

    • marley says:

      07:37am | 23/02/11

      Well, I happen to hold two passports - Canadian and Australian.  I migrated to Australia because my spouse is Australian and the bulk of the relatives are on this side of the Pacific.  I’ve done my best to be a contributing member of society since I got here, I pay my taxes (shudder), I donate to charities, I have learnt something of the history of this country, and have tried to understand the political context.  I’ve become an Australian citizen because I have faith and pride in Australia.  But, if it had meant giving up my Canadian citizenship, I might have had second thoughts.  Because I’m proud of Canada too.  And somehow, giving up citizenship would be negating all the fine things about my other country. 

      I’m committed to Australia.  That’s why I didn’t just sit here with a migrant visa but became a citizen as quickly as I could.  But if you ask me to deny my background or the greater part of my life, or to turn my back totally on my native country, well, I’m not prepared to do it.  You’ll just have to be satisfied with the taxes I pay, and the other contributions I make.

    • L. says:

      08:10am | 23/02/11

      “But if you ask me to deny my background or the greater part of my life, or to turn my back totally on my native country, well, I’m not prepared to do it.”

      But you come from a Christian country, which shares the same queen and has many of the same core values as Australia, so I doubt anyone will ask you to turn your back on Canada.. Canada is after all, the northern hemisphere’s “Australia”.

      It’s those that come from, and wish to retain incompatible cultures, as well as seek special conditions that alarms many Australians.

    • Jade says:

      10:52am | 23/02/11

      Well marley, I am one of the few who think you less Australian than those who might wear a headscarf, or a funny hat, but have enough respect for this country to relinquish their citizenship of another. You cannot claim loyalty to two countries, regardless of the similarity of culture.

      To suggest that you should be allowed to retain a dual loyalty is to not truly integrate with Australian values or the Australian way of life. Were we ever to go to war with Canada, I wonder whose side you would choose? The country you left, or the country you now claim home - when it’s convenient for y6u.

      It’s attitudes like yours which I find most disgusting and contrary to a peaceful and integrated Australia. You have no right to claim you feel “Australian” until you are ready to cut the apron strings of your land of birth.

      I believe that it is people like you who should be sent back on the first plane. Not asylum seekers on boats or those who happen to come from a place that has different beliefs.

      And to L, the point is that marley has admitted she has loyalty to another sovereign nation. Therefore, s/he has refused to do something most of those people with “incompatible” cultures were proud to do - fully embrace Australia at the expense of their own nationality. How dare you suggest that their sacrifice is less offensive than someone who cannot even declare allegiance to this nation - but wants all the benefits of citizenship - because they wear funny clothes and believe some things which may be strange to you/

      Marley, I have to ask, in the unlikely event that Australia and Canada were to end up in conflict, armed conflict, or that we support opposite sides of the same, whose side would you choose? Which nation would you fight for? Because if your answer is not Australia, maybe you should take that as an indication of where your allegiance truly lies and leave.

    • Person Of Australia says:

      11:51am | 23/02/11

      @Jade,

      That is the most un-australian comment i have heard in a while. It is attitudes like yours i find most disgusting. Marley has in no way broken any law or unofficial cultral rule concerning being Australian. If your offended by the fact that it is LEGAL and CULTRALLY acceptable in australia to have dual citizenship, then i suggest the cultrally cringe worthy national cry. “If you dont like it leave”.

      YOU have no right to judge people based on your flimsy idea of what it is to be Australian.

      Marley welcome to Australia mate.

    • marley says:

      12:03pm | 23/02/11

      @Jade - well, I’m a little past the age of fighting, but were there to be a war between Canada and Australia, I would fight for that country which I believed to be in the right. 

      If you regard that as insufficient, well, sorry, but I did not become an Australian citizen in order to give up my right to think and make decisions for myself.

    • grumpy says:

      12:31pm | 23/02/11

      ahh Marley, bless you and your voice of reason, but does the voice in your head speak with a Canadian or Australian accent?

    • Jade says:

      12:33pm | 23/02/11

      I am less offended by the fact that some choose to practice a faith I don’t subscribe to, or wear funny clothes when their allegiance is to this country. I get offended when people want two dips at the cherry, or dare to criticise those with funny clothes or skin and deride them as un-Australian, while holding two nationalities, which signifies allegiance to two different countries.

    • Grumpy says:

      01:15pm | 23/02/11

      So long as Jade is less offended by certain types of Citizens, I know I’ll feel more secure about Australian immigration.

    • marley says:

      01:35pm | 23/02/11

      @L - it would seem that Jade has a different view. I’m not good enough.

      @Jade - I’d be interested to see you try to find a statement anywhere in which I have derided people from other cultures.

      @Grumpy - the voice in my head sounds Aussie, but unfortunately the one coming out of my mouth does not. I’m working on it.

    • Dave says:

      06:58am | 23/02/11

      No wonder Pino is rubbing his hands, the multicultural gravy train is back in full swing, “More than $1 million in federal grants have been announced in an effort to stop the spread of extremism among young Muslim people”. ABC news.

      On top of that he wants to lecture us about the need for a difficult conversation about the position of faith in public life, which he really means to be Islam but didn’t want to say, so much for the difficult conversation.

      But it is not us who need a conversation, they do.


      “London: Teacher attacked for teaching other religions to Muslim girls”

      “Four men launched a horrific attack on a teacher in which they slashed his face and left him with a fractured skull because they did not approve of him teaching religion to Muslim girls.”

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359160/4-men-slashed-teachers-face-teaching-religions-Muslim-girls.html

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      10:02am | 23/02/11

      Referendum, now.

      The results of a survey in the paper this morning showed that ‘‘HALF of Australians harbour anti-Muslim sentiments’‘. I imagine that figure would increase markedly in the privacy of a ballot box.

    • Tony of Porkiestan says:

      10:26am | 23/02/11

      Sorry Dave,
      You appear to be lost.
      The Xenophobe ranting blog is over there——>
      search for Bolt and you’ll be right.

      Tony
      That study was commissioned by and paid for by John Howard when he was using race as a political wedge.
      PS - Your quote is wrong it doesn’t exist

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      10:54am | 23/02/11

      That quote was the headline over the article on the news.com.au website. 
       
      I would say that I don’t think too many polls are accurate, including this one. I think the figures are higher.

      Face it; most of us do not want them here.

    • bobw says:

      11:25am | 23/02/11

      Still confused about the referendum thing, Tony?  Got a question yet, by the way? 

      Why not lie down before you hurt yourself?

    • bob says:

      11:54am | 23/02/11

      As much as a referendum is a silly idea, i doubt the result will quieten the war cry of the Anti-muslim crew.

    • Aasq says:

      12:16pm | 23/02/11

      Exactly, bob.

      When asked in a thread just two days ago just what the question for this referendum on Muslim immigration which Tony of Poorakistan wants would be, he couldn’t come up with an answer.

      So again, Tony, what’s the question ?

      p.s. For what it’s worth, I’m amazed that Tony could ever comment here again after his disgrace yesterday. Anyone who might have missed it can see exactly what they’re dealing with here.

    • The Badger says:

      01:23pm | 23/02/11

      That’s the thing aasq, people like Tony have no shame.
      PS - Tony thinks a headline is a quote. Must go to the same school of journalism timmie goes to. You know, the one without an ethics in journalism course.

    • karen says:

      12:29pm | 24/02/11

      What a load of crap that people from different cultural backgrounds get all the gravy. You forget that most are law-abiding, taxpaying citizens but get the least amount of benefits like social, healty and welfare services despite contributing to this country more than they have to their country of birth. Look at the elderly from Europe who were begged to come to Australia (and had to be young, healthy, fit and strong tio get in in the 50’s and 60s)  to build all the Australian infrastructures like the railways, snowy mountain scheme etc, they are now living alone, isolated and hardly have any support serrvices to help them in their old age. Yet they paid all their taxes in Australia, and now get nothing in return when they need it most. Did you know that elderly people from non english speaking backgrounds have the highest rates of suicide than even youth, they have higher incidents of disability and depression? This is mainly due to the labour intensitve occupations they were forced to take when they were invited to come and rescue Australia? No, off course you don’t, because to admit it our government would ahve to give them a few crumbs called funding! Is this equity, fair and so called social inclusion?

    • BobM says:

      07:11am | 23/02/11

      A lot of new ‘Australians’ are Australian by passport only. They are always more than happy to go ‘home’ for a holiday. Plenty of lip service about loyalty to Australia, but when the sh*t hits the fan, where do their allegiances actually lie?

    • iansand says:

      07:15am | 23/02/11

      Well established Australians learn a bit from recent arrivals.  The recent arrivals learn a bit from the longer term locals.  Cultures develop.  Cross pollination is a great way for this development to occur.

      I am approaching old fartdom.  Australia now is a very different place to the Australia that existed when I was a kid.  I like this Australia much more.  It is a lot more interesting.  Multiculturalism has helped that (as have cheap airfares and a well travelled population and the Interweb).  Long may multiculturalism continue.

    • Southern Very Cross says:

      07:16am | 23/02/11

      A burqa does erode the social fabric by hiding the wears’ identity and screaming out “I will not assimilate”.  That’s not the multiculture I want.  Nor do most Australians who find certain cultures and belief systems do not or cannot integrate because of their religion.

    • Rose says:

      08:17am | 23/02/11

      I can’t remember the last time I saw anyone wearing a burqa, and I live and work in an area with a significant Muslim population.

    • AdamC says:

      10:14am | 23/02/11

      Rose, I agree burqas are a rare sight, but niqabs aren’t, at least in my area. Many people don’t understand the difference between the two. A burqa is a full body covering garment with a gauze mesh around the eye area so the wearer can see. A niqab is a similar garment, though it incorporates eye slits (a la Ned Kelly’s helmet) rather than the gauze mesh.

      I find both garments equally ghastly, and they are certainly a challenge to my usual libertarian tendencies.

    • Dark Horse says:

      07:20am | 23/02/11

      Politicians may say it, but most real Australians don’t accept multiculturalism. It doesn’t matter how many times politicians say it works, we all know it isn’t. We were never asked if we wanted it. It was thrust on us by left wing social engineers. While most of us aren’t against immigration, we want people to integrate, not set up ethnic enclaves in Australia.

      The author’s statement that, “decisions about how we can protect religious and cultural rights within our liberal democratic system.” is the wrong way round. The discussion needs to be how we can protect our liberal democratic system from the totalitarianism of Islam.

      There are many, many good people who have immigrated to Australia who make a valuable contribution. We need to weed out those who don’t and make sure we stop them coming here.

    • Warren says:

      09:56am | 23/02/11

      When you say “most real Australians” I take it you mean white Anglo Saxon Australians? If you had any sense of Australian history you would know the the Irish migrants were targets for racist abuse. It was proposed that restrictions on Irish immigration should be implemented to maintain the British character of the population. Now of course the descendents so those migrants belong firmly in the “white” club. i.e. “Real Australians”.

      You don’t speak for all Australians. You speak for the minority of bigots, while the rest of us get on with our lives without needing to pick on minorities to blame for our problems.

    • Levi says:

      10:39am | 23/02/11

      Just because you say that Dark Horse is in a “minority of bigots” doesn’t make it true Warren.

      Australians have woken up to you and your kind with your rose coloured glasses and pro-multicultural bullcrap. Just look at the results of the latest surveys. Quite clearly not a minority.

      I fail to see how we can be so naive and blind to think that if multicultural policies in Germany, Holland, Britain and France have failed, somehow we can make them work. It’s not going to happen. Not when you import the dregs of third world nations who bring with them all the hatreds, prejudices, and disdain for their new nation like we do.

    • Aasq says:

      12:26pm | 23/02/11

      That’s not a very nice thing to say about our convict ancestors, Levi.

      p.s. Nice cartoon, Bill.

    • Aasq says:

      12:31pm | 23/02/11

      p.p.s. Levi

      “Prof Dunn said the survey’s findings were mostly positive, with Australians largely tolerant, accepting and welcoming of other cultures.

      When asked if he thought multiculturalism had a future in Australia, he answered “absolutely”.

      He said the survey’s results showed multiculturalism had been successful in Australia.

      “About 87% of Australians say that they see cultural diversity as a good thing for society … and about 86% say they want something done about racism. So that tells me that multiculturalism has worked.”

    • Bonestar says:

      07:34am | 23/02/11

      Does anyone else get the feeling that all these multicultural policies give the immigrants a sense of superiority and is in fact encouraging racism amongst new comers towards anyone outside their own culture. I first got the feeling a few years ago when i got flogged in the street for being a skippy dog. It gets reinforced everytime i work with a bunch of mixed immigrants, they are all so terribly racist towards each other and very rarely do they all get along due to racial issues then they take their hatred out on Aussies cause we’re an easy target always guilty until proven innocent, which is never.

    • EMM says:

      09:48pm | 19/04/11

      Yes, agree it’s designed to immigrants a sense of superiority - what a joke.

    • Nick says:

      07:39am | 23/02/11

      Multiculturalism..??Why on earth do we need to emphasise and promote our differences?This government in its effort to sway the migrant vote and the bleeding heart left is politicising what divides us We would be better off promoting unity where people from differing cultures come together as one under the same umbrella without the which tribe are you from mentality.
      Of course we should accept all cultures and religions but lets not make a big deal about it by shoving it up everyone’s nose.

    • Grumpy says:

      11:24am | 23/02/11

      Exactly…Im sick of hearing about it. It just gives the racists in denial the opportunity to be heard. If you are skilled, educated or in need of refuge, you’re welcome here. Policy, Done.

    • Punter says:

      08:11am | 23/02/11

      No surprise that a recent survey published in The Age today shows that Victoria has the lowest rate of racial tension of all the mainland states, while NSW has the highest.  Speaks volumes about the people in those states.

    • Levi says:

      10:46am | 23/02/11

      Yep, Victorians have their heads in the bloody clouds. That, along with their devotion to the ridicuous game of AFL makes me wonder whether they are Australians at all.

      Come out from your urban jungle and see what Australia is really made of.

    • Hamish says:

      10:52am | 23/02/11

      Punter, might have something to do with the ‘land of the falafel’ don’t you think?

    • mags says:

      08:48am | 23/02/11

      Over the years we have had this philosophy of multiculturalism rammed down our throats and for what purpose. When you legislate against discrimination on the grounds of race or religion you immediately raise barriers against successful integration. We have not stopped people of any faith from building their places of worship. We have not discriminated on their ethnic background. Why? Because we have in the past shared some common ground with those who chose to make their home here, for whatever reason.  They worked and raised their families without handouts from the government and became productive and welcome members of their communities. After the ” enlightenment” of the 70s that all changed. We provide for them financially, we provide free access to educational facilities to help them learn the language, we allow them the freedom to live in a country where they are safe from the turmoil which caused most of them to leave their native land. Is it too much to expect that they respect us for this or must we be constantly denigrated as being a racist if we are disturbed by their unwillingness to become a part of the mainstream community? Should we be insulted for our generosity?  When those who come here, legally or otherwise, take all we have to offer and spit in our faces all the airy fairy nonsense called multiculturalism counts for nothing. White Anglos are not the only citizens who are angry about this. Immigrants and 2nd and 3rd generation Australians from all over the world are also angry. The tensions between ethnic groups shows that they bring their prejudice and bias with them instead of leaving it behind to start a new life. This is why this ” multicultural” rubbish will continue to divide us.

    • AdamC says:

      08:53am | 23/02/11

      I am enjoying the ongoing series of posts about multicutlturalism in the Punch. The internet lends itself to pluralism and challenging the conventional wisdom. Thankfully, online fora are enabling Australians to critique the MSM’s iron-clad consensus on the wonders of the multiculti doctrine.

      In my view, I am a multicultural agnostic. I think there are few benefits to multiculturalism itself (and many claimed benefits, such as availability of food, are embarrassing as well as demonstrably fallacious). But there are benefits to mass immigration for Australia, which means we do need to be prepared to settle and naturalise people from non-English/Scots-Irish backgrounds (though they do remain an important cohort in our intake).

      I find two things particularly obnoxious about multiculturalism. The first is the Pollyanna view that radically different cultures (i.e, muslims, we may as well all be up front about it) can integrate effectively into western countries like Australia. This is in the face of ample, multi-generational evidence from several European countries that this is not the case. Australian politicians argue that out approach to multiculturalism is different. It isn’t. It is only the cultures that we have imported that have been different.

      The second is the tendency, based on a multiculturalist world-view, of governments to fund and generally take seriously legions of self-appointed community ‘leaders’ and ersatz community organisations who claim to speak for entire ethnic groups. Often, the only leadership we get from these talking heads is whingeing about the government and/or perpetuating a culture of victimhood and separate development.

      I say, why not make Australia’s practice of multiculturalism genuinely unique and get rid of these obnoxious elements?

    • sarah says:

      10:05am | 23/02/11

      AdamC, I totally agree with that line, that our approach isn’t different, it is only the migrants that are different. Australians have a tendency to think that my mum’s culture (Austrian and she is an austrian passport holder) is somehow a different culture. Its really not. It is still a white, christian background society with very similar laws and freedoms. Whats different is Morocco or Turkey, or Somalia, or UAE…and we get very little of these people. Britain, France and Holland received many. Right now in holland (I lived in Holland), about thee percent of the population are Moroccan passport holders and dutch passport holders, they own and rent property out in Morocco whilst gaining unemployment benefits in Holland, because the dutch government cannot seem to track down whether they own property and still retain unemployment benefits. According to statistics, in twenty years time this number will increase to 20%, most of them wish to implement sharia law. I advise australia to get the cultures which do not have a mandate to implement a different political system. ‘Asian’ cultures do not seem to have this mandate and thats why they fit quite well in australian society.

    • Hamish says:

      10:27am | 23/02/11

      All very good points AdamC. I find these articles by self-appointed spokespeople for ‘migrants’ quite humourous really. I mean this guy makes KRudd sound like a devotee of the use of plain English. I have major problems with what he is saying…

      ‘Multiculturalism’ is actually most likely to fail when it ceases to be a function of everyday people from different cultures getting together and living harmoniously and instead becomes a function of bureaucracy. However, the problem with multiculturalism being a function of the ‘grass-roots’ is that people (like the author of this article) can’t then make any money out of it.

      It also democratises multiculturalism which is quite a big problem as we are seeing with the level of muslim migration (I figure I’ll just be upfront too). So now the government is stepping in to convince people that the fact they believe that Isalmic people aren’t very good at integrating is because we’re not accommodating them enough. Hence the utterly ridiculous idea of spending taxpayers money to on the one hand tell people they’re racists and then on the other spend money to try and stop young muslims from blowing stuff up. Again, it is quite humorous really.

      Multiculturalism in Australia has become an industry not an observation. It is sad that the government is seeking to ruin something which has worked so well by promoting identity politics and completely disingenuously telling people they shouldn’t be worried about what is happening in their own country.

    • AdamC says:

      11:44am | 23/02/11

      Sarah, I have heard about problems of welfare rorting and more concentrated unemployment among immigrants in Europe. At the very least, it puts the lie to the argument that immigration helps smooth out fiscal-demographic imbalances.

      Hamish, exactly. Multiculturalism is, in effect an industry. And you are right that most of what this industry does is promote difference and disharmony.

    • Economist says:

      12:04pm | 23/02/11

      Adam C I’m not enjoying this series of debates at all, because it’s the same old arguments. From my point of view “Multiculturalism” is a bull**** word. Adam Diver in the last blog on this issue stated pertinently the issue as I see it “The problem with this debate is that it is so ambiguous, so un-defined and so open to individual bias, most of the time people are debating separate points”. 

      Multiculturalism (MC)  is possibly a word that tries to encompass a polite view of how to encourage immigration to make migrants feel welcome, but is it? I don’t honestly know. Bowen talks about tolerance of other cultures, not the promotion of one culture over another. But it’s obvious Australian’s are tolerant. The statistics speak for themselves, 50% of Australians were either born overseas or had a parent born overseas. For the most part crime is not ethnically based, but yes there are examples of youth gangs and higher representations in prison for some groups, but it’s not endemic.

      Other’s seem to define MC as the promotion of cultural isolation, rather than tolerance, arguing that some cultures are too distinct to integrate i.e. Currently Muslims. Now even if this is fact, you can’t argue MC was a failure because it successfully resulted in the integration Vietnamese, Chinese and the migrants from the other 170+ countries that are not Muslims and not all Chrisitian based either.

      Others object to tax-payer funding of support services for migrants, saying it’s an industry, but this funding is primarily aimed at aiding with integration, not at keeping them separate. Sure new migrants generally create enclaves because they are looking initially for likes to feel accepted. But the dominant culture, Australian if that’s what you can call it, is more likely to influence, rather than their ways will infiltrate and destroy our way of life. Psychologically people want to be accepted by the majority. There are always exceptions, but not by an entire culture, however these exceptions get more than their fair share of media attention, making the problem seem worse than it actually is.

      People argue that it creates division as a policy, but no one can clearly define multicultural policies, because for the most part they’re really immigration policies. 

      The fact is that prior to about 1998 MC was bi-partisan policy, since Fraser, not some lefty conspiracy.  Though many would argue Fraser is a lefty. Sure we have things like anti-vilifications and discrimination laws, but these are not just there to protect different cultures, but women, religion and people with disability etc.

      I repeat it’s a bull**** word to describe what is nothing more than an immigration program for a country that has encouraged immigration for the past 200 years quite successfully.

    • Economist says:

      12:26pm | 23/02/11

      I should also add to my previous long rant, that I genuinely want to know why our immigration/multicultural policy is more successful than Europe’s and the US’s. I suspect it as something to do with our geographical isolation.

    • Samson says:

      12:56pm | 23/02/11

      @AdamC:  I agree, some of the comments on this series of articles have been genuinely interesting and informative, it’s a shame that they tend to be lost amongst several hundred repetitive rants though.

      Firstly, I agree with Hamish that state-sponsored multiculturalism is absolutely ludicrous.  The only attitude that a government should have towards the cultural leanings of its citizens is tolerance.  Tolerance of any activity within the boundaries of its legal system.  When a government actively seeks to protect and isolate different cultures all it does is prevent true multiculturalism from occurring.  Unless any and all cultures are available to be robustly criticised and debated then real cultural sharing and evolution becomes impossible.  Protecting certain cultures from critique promotes resentment between ethnic groups and heightens the perception of ethnic differences even when there aren’t many to begin with.  Which is exactly what is happening in Australia.

      The main comment I would like to make is one that I think doesn’t get brought up enough in discussion about ‘assimilation’ and ‘cultural compatibility’.  There seems to be a common view on this board that there are certain cultures that are inherently incompatible with Australian ‘values’ (which I would define as common law) and will never be able to properly assimilate into our society.  I’m not here to tell anyone they’re necessarily wrong, but I do think they should consider the history of Irish immigration in this country and how it relates to their argument.

      The Irish migrated to Australia in massive numbers throughout the 19th century, and by all accounts they were *not* culturally compatible with the prevailing Anglo-centric Australian society.  They lived in ethnic ghettos like Surrey Hills, where they preferred to marry within their own culture, to school their children separately and to generally live isolated from non-Irish society.  A small number of their women were even known to wear intimidating head to toe body coverings.  But most significantly there would have been a number of Irish migrants, living in Irish ghettos that considered the word of the Pope to be above the word of the government.  To me that is very similar to Sharia law.  Identical even?

      And what happened to these fiercely anti-English social outcasts?  They gained employment and property courtesy of a legal framework that didn’t actively persecute them.  Their children had even better opportunities and were able to afford proper education for the next generation.  With education they realised that the Pope is generally full of shit and they’re capable of being perfectly good Catholics and proud Australians at the same time.

      I can’t help but see so many similarities between the reality of Irish mass migration and the current response to (comparatively tiny) migration from Islamic cultures.  So does this issue just need a couple of decades to work itself out like other migration waves?  Or is Irish assimilation just a lucky example, whereas current immigration trends have demonstrably different qualities?

    • Hamish says:

      12:56pm | 23/02/11

      Economist, as AdamC suggested, the success of our system is an accident. We have imported people from a whole range of different countries, with a huge proportion still coming from the UK, New Zealand, Canada, etc. No single migrant group makes up a significant percentage of the population. We also have a history of attracting migrants from countries that are quite compatible with us (the countries mentioned above) plus Greeks, Italians, Chinese, who adapt to Australia very well. Only recently have we seen significant migration from countries that are quite culturally different, such as Africa, the middle east, etc. It is this new wave of migration (and the fact that immigration is now a scam and multiculturalism is an industry) that people aren’t so accepting of.

      In Europe, the fact is, when people say immigration, they mean Islamic immigration. When they say multiculturalism, they mean us and the muslims. It’s a bi-cultural system. And it clearly doesn’t work. For multiculturalism to work you need a dominant, tolerant culture. You can’t have two hostile cultures domiciled in the one geographical area. People in the Balkans have known that for centuries.

    • AdamC says:

      03:15pm | 23/02/11

      Economist, I disgree that multiculturalism doesn’t mean anything. I see it as an umbrella term for a philosophy that embraces certain key policies, including:

      1. an open, large and non-discriminatory immigration programme;
      2. the implementation of laws and other measures to preven discrimination against (or, in some cases, criticism of) minority groups;
      3. ethnically-driven social programmes and the funding of ethnic organisations; and
      4. concessions to cultural mores of minority groups (women-only bathing, pork bans, etc).

      And our immigration programme/multiculturalism has been more successful because we have generally attracted migrants from backgrounds who are more compatible with our society. This has been largely accidental, but also a function of our geographic location.

      Samson, I think that is a really interesting point to raise. However, what it highlights most to me is how intolerant people used to be of one another. Objectively, the Irish and English were extremely similar, yet you are right that there was no shortage of mutual distrust. I think things improved when both the English and the Irish agreed the real problem was keeping out everyone else and devised the white Australia policy.

      Hamish, I agree with your points. Europe is the cautionary lesson many Australian politicians don’t want to learn.

    • Tom says:

      08:38pm | 23/02/11

      Well, having trawled through all the blatant “I’m not racist but…” racism in these comments, what has finally pushed me over the edge, into that irrational space where I decide that it would be a good idea to join in a virtual brawl on the intertubes, is Adam C’s assertion that the culinary benefits of multiculturalism are “...embarrassing and demonstrably fallacious”. What the? Why? How? This is blowing my mind?  Adam, I suggest you may wish to get out a little more and sample the wide variety of exciting and life enhancing cuisines that were simply unavailable in Oz not so many years ago.

      The, perhaps more important, point here is that the effect multiculturalism has had on our eating habits is mirrored in every aspect of our cultural lives (after all would it not be odd for the impact of an influx of other cultures to australia to be somehow limited to the kitchen?) from our attitudes to our hobbies to our world view.

      So start your day with an espresso, do some yoga, catch the chinese new year celebrations or the Paniyiri festival or whatever is on at the time, have some baclava for morning tea, catch Anh Do doing stand up, grab a butter chicken for dinner, follow it up with some chocolate gellati or for desert, go home and laugh at Fat Pizza and thank your luck that you live in Australia. Lucky you! Lucky us! Oh, wow, that curry was tasty. /licks fingers.

    • David C says:

      09:31am | 23/02/11

      lets try another angle, Australia is a multi faith country but it is secular
      I believe Australia is a multi ethnic country (yay for that) but it is mono culture

    • wes says:

      10:09am | 23/02/11

      We are dreaming if we think Australian Multiculturalism will succeed where it has failed in Europe. The only difference is that we haven’t been swamped with the amount of immigrants as countries such as England, Germany, France and Belgium. We are heading in the same direction. Multiculturalism promotes parallel societies.

    • Economist says:

      12:07pm | 23/02/11

      Wes absolutely wrong. Australia is founded on immigration. 50% of Australian’s were either born overseas or have a parent born overseas. If your talking about Muslim immigrants then be more specific.

    • reality check says:

      10:13am | 23/02/11

      I did a quick survey in my workplace involving people of Turkish, Greek and Italian decent that were born in Australia and have spent their entire lives here. When asked what nationality they are, “Australian” is never the response given.

    • Jade says:

      11:07am | 23/02/11

      And that is a huge part of the problem, and part of the reason that the US has a limited problem with integration of Muslims and Africans etc. It is because not only are the immigrants forced to undertake citizenship classes and demonstrate their understanding of the history and culture of the US, their children are forced to as well. Through enforced citizenship education, and tactics such as reciting the citizenship pledge every morning and singing the National Anthem, it forces everyone to see themselves as American first.

      Some may see this as propaganda or brainwashing, I see it as instilling a strong sense of loyalty.

    • Jade - the other one says:

      11:46am | 23/02/11

      @ Jade, I think that it should be mandatory for every new Australian Citizen to undertake something similar here as they do in the USA… and maybe some Aussies do it as well. If I recall correctly, when I was in primary school we use to do both the lords prayer and the national anthem at school parades (this was a state school).  I don’t think thats done much anymore, certainly wasn’t done when I reached high school (I was only in primary school in the 90’s as well)

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      12:20pm | 23/02/11

      And as an Australian born of immigrant parents with a European background that pisses me off to no end.

      When people hear my surname they ask me what nationality I am.  I tell them I’m Australlian but I’m regularly told that I’m not Australian I’m “{insert background nationality here} which is crap. @Reality Check, thats more than likely why you get that response because for years these people keep on getting corrected by Anglos that they are in fact not Australian.  I’m not going to even go into my early school days (early 70s) when I had English people who weren’t even born here trying to tell me I wasn’t Australian.

      I was born here, I’ve lived here all my life and I will die here.  Sure I’m proud of my heritage and background and yes I can speak an addditional language but I AM AUSTRALIAN!!!

      @Jade while I think you’re regular comments are a bit extreme I have to say I agree with what you say about the US and have in fact have said, albeit not on this forum, that their model is one part of their culture that we should think about taking on.

    • gabs says:

      10:46am | 01/03/11

      @ reality check - Most people who’s parents come from overseas would respond that way, even if they were born here. They do so because usually the question refers to background and not nationality. You may have asked about nationality but given they are obviously australian to most people, they deduce the question that was meant is, what is your background.

      Your eagerness to jump to the ridiculous conclusion that these people actually believe they are a different nationality just shows your own ignorance.

    • Andrew says:

      10:21am | 23/02/11

      So called multi-culturalism is about winning the ethnic vote, nothing more and nothing less. It is designed to be a look-good, feel-good ideal that cannot be reached but one which people can be fooled into believing exists.
      Give it another generation and the multi-cultural horse will have bolted out the stable door. We will be subject to the whims and wishes of those who have come to Australia to further their own way of life and not integrate into ours.
      I will vote for the political party which says, everyone abides by our laws, learns English, integrates and is not offended by are largely Christian values and culture. You can celebrate Eid if you want to but allow us to celebrate Christmas if we want to and do not allow this “they might be offended” attitude to wreck our way of life but accommodate theirs.

    • Aasq says:

      12:36pm | 23/02/11

      Nice to see One Nation still has one voter, Andrew.

    • David T says:

      01:09pm | 23/02/11

      Wrong Aasq - research is apparently showing a lot of people hold these quite reasonable views. And why not? They are not saying others cannot believe what they want but they are saying “Do not expect special treatment. Do not try to impose your way of life on me. Do not try to prevent me from holding and celebrating my beliefs.”
      Is there something wrong with that?

    • Aasq says:

      01:38pm | 23/02/11

      Show me this research, David. I call BS.

    • Chad says:

      02:01pm | 23/02/11

      David
      Which reasonable views would those be?
      Is someone trying to impose their way of life on you? Who was that and where did it happen? How did it affect your life? What were you forced to do?
      You can celebrate your beliefs as much as you like, perhaps you would like to attend the One Nation rally later this year?

    • David T says:

      05:49pm | 23/02/11

      I was required to work on Christmas Day (not a public holiday in South Australia) and in my work place we were not allowed any Christmas decorations. I wished one of my fellow (Christian) workers “Merry Christmas” and was then hauled into my immediate boss’s office and told that it was unacceptable to mention the word Christmas because two of my fellow workers are not Christians, one is Sikh and the other is Muslim. The Sikh was appalled when he found out and apologised. The Muslim apologised but told me that “there will be much more of this sort of thing in the future. I am afraid you are going to have to get used to it. Australia will soon not be a Christian country but will follow Islam.”
      Now, I suppose you think that is reasonable? It is right? Fair? The incident has gone as a negative into my record. (And, for the record, I work for a government department.)
      My wife works for one of the market survey companies. She has brought the data home with her to show me. It is not going to be made public any time soon. The government paid for it and they do not like the results. End of story.

    • Aasq says:

      08:07pm | 23/02/11

      Just as I thought, David. Total bullsh!t.

    • mark says:

      10:22am | 23/02/11

      As usual the Labor party has failed to detect that the electorate is far to the right on this issue than they are. Almost all politicians are arrogant elitists that think they know what’s best for us, without even asking. The Labor party is the worst in this respect, I look forward to the backlash.

    • M.T. says:

      10:26am | 23/02/11

      If we are expected to embrace the cultures of migrants, then how about restricting immigration to embraceable cultures, not those that offend and frighten us.

      I am happy to embrace any culture that supports the equality of women, the rule of law, education and self-determination for all, economic self-sufficiency through work, peaceful co-existence with infidels and Jews, protection and not exploitation of children and no genital mutilation.

      Not too much to ask, is it?

      Australia needs to take breath and take stock and ensure the recent immigrants are given time to integrate. We need to ditch our immigration policy and aim for a stable more integrated population.

    • jay says:

      10:29am | 23/02/11

      Love it.

      As if Labor is not on the nose enough, both at the State and Federal level, they are now pushing a policy that repeated polls show is rejected by the majority. Wonderful. Take your multicultural policy to the next Federal election. Then you can explain the flogging you get, by the usual rubbish pushed by your idiot Party and its supporters.

    • Aasq says:

      01:09pm | 23/02/11

      You mean supporters like Tony Abbott and George Brandis, jay ?

      “In yesterday’s caucus meeting, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott told MPs Australia was the most successful multicultural nation in the world, and the Coalition would never support discriminatory immigration.

      Senator Brandis says everyone who matters in the Coalition supports multiculturalism.

      “I think everyone who matters in the Liberal Party has the same view about multicultural Australia, and that is that we strongly support it,” he said.”

    • Banana Republic says:

      10:32am | 23/02/11

      Australia is exactly like Europe in terms of failed multiculturalism. Guest workers in Europe knew they weren’t going to be forced to go home because they could play the race card. Migrants move to Australia for economic benefit and also know they can stay permanently. They don’t move here because they dream about “Aussie culture”. People who move here as skilled workers or students who rape and murder are not even deported after serving prison sentences.

      Australia is now an economy first, and a country second. Countries like Australia put the interests of foreign people moving here first, because we don’t want to be called racist or xenophobic. That’s why we are slowly being sold off to foreign interests one farm, one business, and one house at a time.

    • Grumpy says:

      01:13pm | 23/02/11

      How many migrants have you asked about this? seems like you know alot of the motives for these migrants. Glad to see atleast you are willing to speak with them and accumulate their opinions in your mind to share with us here today. Kudos Banana Republic…

    • seen enough already says:

      10:37am | 23/02/11

      Ah yes Chris Bowen - please do socially engineer us & please do tell us what to think & how to act, because as we know, we can’t do that on our own.

      If multiculturalism is so wonderful, why is it that Labor always wants the people who are already here to give up their way of life to accommodate new comers?

      Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

      For as long as the government gives special privileges to new comers & spends billions of tax dollars accommodating their ‘special needs’, multiculturalism will be a failure & will breed nothing but resentment.

      The other frightening aspect to most Australians is how the government makes laws to SILENCE US into submission on such issues. Most people are now just too frightened to speak out on migrant issues, even when they see blatant injustice being committed.

      This is no way to run a country. If Labor are really serious about immigration & multiculturalism, then this issue needs to go to a referendum by the people at the next election.

      Or is the voice of the people too scary a prospect ?

      All this government wants to do is suppress real community concerns about too high and questionable immigration.  The government wants us to submit to failed policy by telling us how we should live & act?

      I’m starting to feel like a stranger with very few rights in my own country.

    • James1 says:

      10:50am | 23/02/11

      “If multiculturalism is so wonderful, why is it that Labor always wants the people who are already here to give up their way of life to accommodate new comers?”

      Please list the things you have had to give up to accommodate migrants.  I see these sorts of comments all the time, and wonder what they could possibly be referring to.  I haven’t given up a thing about my culture to accommodate anyone.

    • James1 says:

      10:53am | 23/02/11

      Just noticed this one as well: “I’m starting to feel like a stranger with very few rights in my own country.”

      Really?  What rights don’t you have exactly?  I contend that you have the same rights as every other Australian citizen.  Can you elaborate on what rights you have lost?

    • Jade says:

      11:37am | 23/02/11

      Exactly right, James1. I have never felt that I have less rights, and have certainly not relinquished a single one of my rights to accommodate migrants. Certainly when I was at school, I did find it rather unfair that thanks to the white Australian convict-descended Christians, there were several books and poems that I wasn’t allowed to study, but the Muslim girls in the hijab who could be observed reading the Koran most lunch hours actually felt a lot angrier about this than I at the time.

    • Fred F says:

      10:45am | 23/02/11

      The only thing that multiculturalism has done in this country is to exacerbate ethnic and cultural divisions. Multiculturalism has failed in Europe and America full stop. And stupid thinking that bringing new focus on it will help ease the tension that are becoming apparent will undoubtedly have the complete opposite action as happened in the UK.

      In the UK and France its getting very close to no go Towns, Bradford and Dewsbury for example in the North of England have a distinct cut-offs for Muslims and others and it is not safe at night to cross these boundaries basically thanks to multiculturalism. we need a new inclusive plan not this PC mistake from the past.

    • Grumpy says:

      11:55am | 23/02/11

      How has it failed?.....

      Failed to quash racists from having a voice and failed helping them live with their inadequacies?

    • mike says:

      05:57pm | 05/04/11

      Grumpy everyone should have a voice including those you consider “racists” (although I fail to see how OPPOSITION to homophobia, misogyny and hatred of Jews constitutes “racism” but that appears to be common Orwellian double-speak among some quarters these days).

    • hot tub political machine says:

      10:51am | 23/02/11

      Racists are quite literally a dying breed in Australia. That’s why we hear so much of them on talkback radio - because they are old enough to be retired at home and had most of their friends succumb to old age already.

      Racists parents kids make school friends with kids from other races and see the silliness of it all. I think that is why racism is so often encountered hand in hand with bitterness, the racists know they are fighting a lost cause

    • Rationalist says:

      10:53am | 23/02/11

      Strange as this may seem to some of you, multiculturalism in practise is a conservative policy of the old British school of conservatism (pre-Thatcher).

      Acknowledging that slow considered change is best, the approach of successive governments was to try to give everyone a piece of the pie, and to take great offense when it was discovered that someone had been left out. This promoted a kind of harmony and allowed for disparate views to converge toward the centre. It also served to give legitimacy to the voice provided by community organisations (people got involved because they felt listened to and so when a community spoke, you could view that voice as having some legitimacy). Multiculturalism is basically the same thing with a new badge: include everyone, exclude no one, promote harmony and trust communities to manage themselves.

      Regardless, I honestly don’t understand why we’re all so excited about people of Islamic faith nor why people always raise the spectre of Sharia law appearing in the Australian legal system. Just to remind everyone that at the last census:
      12,685,834 (63.9%) identified as Christian
        3,706,552 ( 18.7%) identified as having no religion
          418,757 (  2.1%) identified as Buddhist
          340,390 (  1.7%) identified as Islamic
          148,127 (  0.7%) identified as Hindu
          108,020 (  0.5%) identified as Other
          88,826 (  0.4%) identified as Jewish

      If you’re worried about a growing threats your Christian way of life, get started on the 18.7% of us without religon (up 3% from 2001): it’s a much fairer fight. Leave the 1.7% who profess Islamic faith alone.

    • BobM says:

      11:27am | 23/02/11

      Rationalist - The problem is that the 1.7% breed 12 kids (who again wont integrate because their religion forbids it) to our 2.  Work that out over the next 50 years and see where that leaves us…...

    • Grumpy says:

      12:29pm | 23/02/11

      63% is scary, and these people are allowed to vote too right? wow how do they even tie their laces..

    • marley says:

      02:37pm | 23/02/11

      BobM - 1.7% breed 12 kids?  Not likely, mate.  No Muslim country in the world has a birth rate of 12.  And Muslims in Australia are nowhere near that figure.  Their birthrate is higher than that for non-Muslims - but the figures are 2.7 compared with 1.9.  Hardly catastrophic.

      Furthermore, Muslim birthrates are dropping just about everywhere, in both Muslim and amongst Muslim communities in non-Muslim countries.  Indonesia’s birth rate is heading for about 2.1, which isn’t much higher than ours. 

      It’s all a furphy.

    • MJ says:

      10:54am | 23/02/11

      Multiculturalism on show in suburbs like Broadmeadows and Dandenong in Melbourne. These ethnic enclaves are turning into ghettos. That is what Australians are sick of.

      Why aren’t shop signs in English?
      Why can’t staff speak English?
      What country is this again?

      Subsiding migrants living in these parallel worlds in our society is promoted and funded by our governments with it’s ‘multiculturalism” policy. But we the people, don’t want it. How hard it this to understand without being called a racist?

    • Justin says:

      12:32pm | 23/02/11

      “Why aren’t shop signs in English?
      Why can’t staff speak English?
      What country is this again?”

      England?

    • Aasq says:

      04:45pm | 23/02/11

      Soon ? Wasn’t Australia colonised by the UK ?

    • jaime s says:

      11:04am | 23/02/11

      Labor demonstrates ZERO understanding of historical and current realities. There is not a single country where multiculturalism has been a success. A visit to Europe will show you that. This is a numbers game and Labor is fighting a losing battle if they think Australians want high indiscriminate immigration. Those days are over and our politicians need a reality check.

      Multiculturalism is DEAD. (small numbers of) Migrants are welcome to come here and become Australian, NOT to come here with all their racial, cultural and religious baggage that ruined the places they are fleeing from.

    • three to go says:

      11:08am | 23/02/11

      We speak so highly of the wealthy and cultured, sophisticated, and knowledgeable people like the Swiss and Dutch. The same Europeans that now know MULTICULTURALISM is a failure. The compassionate Swiss are now saying NO to immigration. No to multiculturalism.

    • AdamC says:

      11:47am | 23/02/11

      Too true, three to go. Cringing lefties seem to look for inspiration to Europe for policy guidance in just about everything except multiculturalism.

    • marley says:

      03:10pm | 23/02/11

      The compassionate Swiss have pretty much always said no to immigration. Unless you’ve got a few hundred million bucks in one of their banks, of course.

    • k says:

      11:15am | 23/02/11

      I can’t personally think of one single country where multiculturalism has lead to a more peaceful harmonious community.

      It’s the same in Australia…..ghetto suburbs of people that don’t speak English… don’t engage with the wider community and are busy raising a generation of disenfranchised misunderstood kids who don’t know where they belong.

      The Libs support big-immigration because it gives it provides cheap labour to get the grubby jobs done. The ALP support big-immigration because they help feed their stacked branches.

      Neither side of politics has the guts to challenge multiculturalism because they know they’ll lose the votes of recent immigrants, yet both sides know that the broad majority of Australians are going cold on the concept and that in Europe it has been a dramatic failure.

    • mary monica roche says:

      12:20pm | 23/02/11

      Your comment:
      There are only two major cultures in Australia.
      There is the Labor Party Culture ( Us)  and The Liberal National Culture (Them).
      Physical culture is largely ignored.It is too hard.

    • David V. says:

      01:16pm | 23/02/11

      You can never force people to just like each other, because they don’t in Europe, and they sure as hell didn’t in the Balkans or Caucasus where they’d been forced to live together for decades. So all hell breaks loose and everyone is still bitter about it.

      Look at the UK, English people are unfailingly hard-working and have better morals and discipline, while immigrants have only been happy to live off them.

    • Grumpy says:

      01:34pm | 23/02/11

      English people have great morals.

      have you seen Ladette to lady?

    • Sandy says:

      02:02pm | 23/02/11

      I don’t see what the problem is.  Multiculturism is fantastic and has been a huge success everywhere.

      The only problem is setting the non-negotiables. 

      There’s the easy ones like Rule of Law, monogamy etc.

      We just need to formally add one. That multiculturalism will not be extended to cultures that oppose multiculturalism wink  Pretty muh well sums up the attitude of many punchers anyway.

    • stephen says:

      02:24pm | 23/02/11

      Of course, Cultures are not equal, only different, and I think a problem arises when we assess then as either better, or worse.
      People are best thought of as pleasant, or otherwise, and even then, why would you want to be forever on the lookout for judgment ?
      As better or worse, or good or bad ?
      Some of us have in their minds that Muslims, say, are so different, that they must be dirty and have designs on our beaches or our tables or even our girls, and that they will eventually breed us out of our holdens.
      Fear. Cowardly, and stupid and wrong.

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      10:53am | 27/02/11

      I think a problem arises when we assess then as either better, or worse.
      People are best thought of as pleasant, or otherwise, and even then, why would you want to be forever on the lookout for judgment ?
      As better or worse, or good or bad ?>>>

      And this is called “feel good fantasy”. Don’t think and don’t question just take the feel good pill. This is the height of absurdity.

      Some of us have in their minds that Muslims, say, are so different, that they must be dirty and have designs on our beaches or our tables or even our girls, and that they will eventually breed us out of our holdens.
      Fear. Cowardly, and stupid and wrong.>>>

      While you call names and label Australians who haven’t posted an ounce of proof. It is easy to come with words to support your agenda but if you want to be taken seriously, substantiate your case. Never underestimate the readers.

    • David V. says:

      03:26pm | 23/02/11

      Multiculturalism was a product of post-World War II guilt, further aided by the Civil Rights Movement and the pill. So now Europe and Asia face a devastating collapse of demographics, as well as the destruction of the genetic qualities which made such great countries like Germany and Japan.

      Look at all meaningful art, culture, music, technology- ALL of it came from one or two parts of the world. And our Opera House was designed by a Dane, further underlining the unsurpassed creativity of Europeans.

    • marley says:

      07:30pm | 23/02/11

      I certainly hope you’re a troll.  Because otherwise, I’ve seldom seen so much ignorance in such a small number of words.

    • franklin says:

      03:34pm | 23/02/11

      Multiculturilism is a an inherently flawed idealogy. The world is a multicultural planet, but we cannot live together in peace and cooperation. Multiculturalism requires an economically affluent host country, so that competing ethnic groups have access to a least some of the economic pie. However, in affluent countries multiculturism still struggles, and has been deemed a failure in many affluent Europen countries. Multiculturism would be bound to failure in poor or middle income countries, where people struggle to exist. In the future income levels in Australia are bound to drop significantly and there will be less resources for us all to share, let us see then how multiculturism fares.

    • Sandy says:

      05:27pm | 23/02/11

      “but we cannot live together in peace and cooperation.”  But most of us do.  It’s only the stirrers that upset the apple cart. Y’know people like Hitler, McCarthy and Bin Laden.  Most people can get along just fine in the absence of meglomaniac tools like that.

    • David V. says:

      07:56pm | 23/02/11

      “But most of us do.” No they don’t. Not in Europe, Asia or anywhere, without force. Haven’t recent wars proved that?

    • Sandy says:

      08:17am | 24/02/11

      Of course there is always a war somewhere.  But I repeat my statement that most people live together in peace and cooperation if they’re not being deceived with the aim of being whipped into a frenzy. Not everyone of course. But if we can keep the thugs in a box and the stirrers powerless then peace always prevails.

    • mike says:

      06:00pm | 05/04/11

      Sandy, exactly how would a gay person and a strict Muslim who thinks all gays must be executed as per sharia law be expected to live in cooperative harmony? Or how might a strict Muslim man who refuses to interact with uncovered women on religious grounds be expected to interact in cooperative harmony with non-Muslim women?

    • David says:

      03:49pm | 23/02/11

      There is a lot of obfuscation in this piece but still, we should be grateful that the multicultural lobby group is at least willing to concede that “actions that undermine legal and constitutional frameworks of Australia cannot be condoned”.

      Pino, why can’t you just write, sharia and polygamy won’t be tolerated. Are you afraid of clarity? Or are you afraid of confronting Muslim groups?

    • Kulbir Singh Malhotra says:

      05:37pm | 23/02/11

      Pino has rightly said that “For many communities that live in Australia, religion is not optional; it is a fundamental part of their identity” Sonner we include “faith” in our polcy framework, better it will for the mainstream Australia.We need to show the world, especially the United Nations that our policy frameworks can protect religious and cultural rights of the people of Australia. We should prepare ourselves to confront the particular cultural biases of our own political ideologies,
      Thank you Pino for a thought provoking article.

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:12pm | 23/02/11

      Can someone send me an email when its ok once again to disagree with someone and not be called a racist for disagreeing?

      Cheers.

      Thanks.

    • Jakke says:

      10:51pm | 23/02/11

      I was watching the news on the good old ABC, and there was Tony Abbott in parliament who said this in response to the NZ quake: “... New Zealanders are family; they are not foreigners, and that is why this disaster has especially touched the hearts of every Australian.”
      I could not help but cringe at his comment, what does he mean:“who gives a toss if earthquakes happen in Indonesia or Pakistan, after all they are foreigners, it is only if it happens to our own kind it touches us”???
      So much for partisan support for multiculturalism or anti-racism.

    • Jaz says:

      07:49pm | 24/02/11

      I cringed too, then chuckled a bit. Libs can’t help be xenophobes when trying to be compassionate.

    • VR says:

      12:02am | 25/02/11

      @Jake, Jaz:

      Refers to the ANZAC Coalition, the ANZUS alliance, West-East Tasman residents, dual passport holders, the historical record of convict re-settlement from the State of New South Wales eastward—which, as a point of note, legally might still have technical preponderance over New Zealand ruling and as somewhat separated from the other states (not just Western Australia and due to the original Victorian governance situation)  though not enforced—Ministers of Parliaments both State and Federal on both sides from Sir Joe to Rand, to Prime Ministerial candidates on both sides, the closer proximity of each island, and last but not least the large populations of nationals from one living in the other.

      Could add trade, two-way security and data sharing, inter-governmental cooperation etc., etc., but you get the point.

      You can only score cheap points when they are accurate. We don’t even share a common language with Pakistan and Indonesia; that is the reality of the situation.

      I am not aligned with any party or institution but I do recognise inaccuracy and a lack of empathy when I see it. Bottom line is this: You are welcome to feel sorry for Pakistanis when an earthquake hits them. But I find your willingness to “cringe” or failure to see clear ‘cultural similarity’, in this particular instance, to be hypocrisy of a very vulgar and in appropriate nature.

    • Hay says:

      12:48pm | 25/02/11

      I don’t like Pakis, so they can get stuffed & so can New zealanders - they’re FOREOGNERS!

    • mick says:

      06:22am | 28/02/11

      To Hay your spelling is terrible. As a 5th generation Australian I think I am Qualified to say I welcome any one to this Country.If any new Imigrant can build a good honest and safe life here then i say lets All work together for a better Nation.

    • Greg says:

      11:03pm | 28/02/11

      What is so hard to understand? Diversity is divisive. Isn’t that obvious?

      Multiculturalism is a national schizophrenia, deliberately inflicted on European societies to destroy social cohesion and unity.

    • Gabs says:

      11:13am | 01/03/11

      Wow the hornet’s nest has truely been kicked!

      I find the language being used by the anti-multiculturalists interesting. What is it that is so threatening about different cultures? Australia after all was built on an alien invasion. First convicts then free settlers. And both convicts and free settlers from not just Britain but Europe, Asia and later the Americas that have helped build this country. We have an internationally acclaimed wine industry thanks to the pioneering efforts of hungarian immigrants, cheeses and cured that are sold around the world thanks to our italian immigrants, we enjoy our pizza’s and pasta’s, our stir fry’s and curries alongside our steak and 3 veges and meet pies.

      Who is Australian anyway? The British who invaded over 200 years ago? The convicts? Australia is only 230 odd years old, we are all immigrants in one way or another. What makes any one of us more Australian than the other?

      Australia was born from immigration and multi-culturalism. If anything immigrants are more Australian than all of us just by the single token that they continue the the tradition that started the country by deciding to make their home here.

      Multiculturalism is Australian and if you’re against it, you’re un-Australian.

    • Michael says:

      12:01pm | 09/03/11

      Gabs, nothing is threatening about other cultures. In Sydney 5% of people are muslim so the vast majority would no doubt interact with muslims (and asians, africans…) on a daily basis.

      What is worrying though is that we have a multicultualism czar appointed to oversee immigration who rather than allowing immigration to be skills based insists on it being racially based so he can please his superiours and win a job at the UN in the future.

      Immigration needs to be market based. If someone is willing to pay to come here or if an employer is happy to sponsor them you can be sure as hell they are going to respect the nation and be good citizens and then we’d never have to hear cries of racism ever again. At the same time welfare should be wound down by first being closed to immigrants and we’d have no problems at all.

 

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