Sophie Mirabella has had a big week here at The Punch. Her piece having a go at the Aussie copycat version of the Occupy Wall Street protests on Tuesday went off. Stephen Harrington returned fire on Wednesday, reminding us of her crack at journos for daring to criticise the anti-carbon tax protesters a couple of months back.

Insert Mission Impossible soundtrack here

Mirabella’s got a knack for sparking a good old-fashioned political firestorm. She’s pretty much the Shadow Minister for Pushing The Boundaries. But she took the responsibilities of that portfolio a little too far on Tuesday evening and found herself shooting a spectacular political own goal.

Mirabella was expelled from the House for 24 hours after repeatedly refusing to heed her Liberal colleague Deputy Speaker Peter Slipper’s instruction to sit down. What made it so particularly spectacular was that government’s carbon tax package, something Mirabella is no fan of, was up for a tight final vote in those 24 hours. She might as well have voted for it. To commemorate this cock-up, the Punch presents a few of what we think are some of the worst (or best) political own goals.

1. Mission Accomplished

The own goals gold standard.

On May 1, 2003, President Bush landed on the deck of a US Navy vessel in a fighter jet. Soon after, in front of a banner that read MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, the President declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq in front of a cheering crowd of sailors. 

Initially, the visuals put Vladimir Putin’s shirtless tiger-hunting to shame in the propaganda stakes. But it was not to be. We all know what happened next. Iraq was gripped by a violent insurgency for years. Thousands of US troops were killed. Only in 2011, more than seven years later, is the US poised to withdraw the last of its troops (maybe) from Iraq by the end of the year.

2. Everyone who loved Robert Mugabe in the 80s

When Robert Mugabe was installed as Zimbabwean prime minister in 1980, he was hailed as a statesman-in-the-making by many in the West. I’m sure all of those political and media types hang their heads in shame at the mention of him today.

During his reign Mugabe has massacred many of his opponents. His land seizure policies have led to severe food shortages and starvation.

Inflation under Mugabe hit 100,000 per cent at one point. By contrast, inflation here at home right now is 3.6 per cent.

3. Bob Hawke’s poverty of credibility

The silver fox said no Aussie children would be living in poverty by 1990. A noble concept. But there are nearly 2 million Australians living in poverty today. It didn’t say much for his credibility. Neither does his fashion sense, really. 

4. The Godwin Grech Affair

This was Malcolm Turnbull’s own goal.

Turnbull claimed Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan misled Parliament when they told the House they hadn’t instructed anyone running a government car scheme to help out one of Rudd’s car-dealer mates

Turnbull got his info in an email from the public servant Godwin Grech. Grech said he had an email from a senior public servant that proved it. Then the AFP raided his house and found the email was a forgery. Turnbull’s approval ratings plummeted. He was a goner.

Really, if you got an email from someone with the name Godwin Grech promising you a bunch of documents that would bring down the government chances are it wouldn’t even get through your spam filter. Turnbull was just a sucker.

5. An American crowd full of hate

During a presidential nomination primary debate for the conservative Republican party last month, a gay US soldier asked the candidates whether they’d reinstate the US “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for gays in the military. Part of the Tea Party crowd booed the soldier and not a single one of the candidates on stage saw fit to defend the soldier, who was serving in Iraq.

Barack Obama put the boot in later that week. “You want to be commander-in-chief? You can start by standing up for the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States, even when it’s not politically convenient.”

This isn’t the only time something like this has happened. In an earlier debate, Tea Partiers cheered at the concept of people dying because they didn’t have health insurance. A sick series of own goals for the Republicans.

6. The Great Moral Challenge of Our—- oh, forget I said that

Labor couldn’t get its ETS through a hostile Parliament. The Copenhagen climate change talks were widely regarded as a disappointment. Rudd had a choice to make: Go to an election on it, or wimp out.

He chose wrong. His polls went through the floor, he lost his job, the issue of climate change got caught up in a flim-flam over a citizen’s assembly and Labor barely held onto power at the next election. Nice one.

7. “There Will Be No Carbon Tax Under The Government I Lead”

Well, I guess that’s KINDA true. At least until it goes through the Senate in a few weeks.

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    • acotrel says:

      05:32am | 14/10/11

      So Sophie has hit the big time ?  I wonder if she is big enough to handle it with grace, or perhaps she’ll just get snakey as usual ? Pardon my mirth !

    • Mahhrat says:

      05:45am | 14/10/11

      @Punch, love your work, but seriously, two articles about the same thing is just pointless.

    • Nathan says:

      07:03am | 14/10/11

      its our own fault they would look at how many comments where written seen its a hot topic then made the decision till flog till its dead.

    • Mahhrat says:

      09:23am | 14/10/11

      @Nathan, not even google rates that way.  It’s just silly.  I’d rather there be 600 posts on one article then have to read the same points again and again (at least in the same day!)

    • hot tub political machine says:

      11:57am | 14/10/11

      To be fair to the Punch they seem to have dropped off the Atheist vs Theist articles which always scored high on number of comments but extremely low on quality.

      That can’t have been a decision based on getting hits - maybe it was decision in the interest of the moderators mental health

    • Bitten says:

      01:00pm | 14/10/11

      @htpm, I’ve noticed that, also noticed they’ve reduced the number of floggings of the ‘I’m-a-woman-in-a-developed-economy-woe-is-me-I’m-so-disadvantaged-I-deserve-everything-for-free-and-Australian-men-should-be-slaughtered-for-my-entertainment-when-sex-and-the-city-reruns-aren’t-being-screened’ dead horse.

    • Nathan says:

      05:52am | 14/10/11

      Not worry Mirabella if politics doesn’t work out you have a career in aged care, i hear it pays very nicely for some.

    • TChong says:

      07:21am | 14/10/11

      Hang your commie head in shame , Nathan.
      Only last week Punch had a whole article devoted to just what an ultristic, sanctimonios , benevolant person Sophie is.
      Mother Theresa and Mary Mackillop are 3rd rate skanks compared to Ms Sophie ( Just call me Florence Nightingale ) Mirabella.

    • Kelly says:

      08:54am | 14/10/11

      Ah Nathan, you’ve already won my favourite comment of the day. Congratulations!

    • Michael says:

      06:40am | 14/10/11

      The section regarding the USA Republican debatesmakes the mistake of misunderstanding the debate formats. The don’t ask don’t tell question was only asked to Rick Santorum, with no one else able to respond. Secondly, the crowd were cheering the idea that the community wouldn’t let a man without health insurance die. I don’t defend the comments made, but I do believe more information should have been given.

    • Pete from Sydney says:

      07:12am | 14/10/11

      don’t defend the tea party Michael…

    • acotrel says:

      07:47am | 14/10/11

      ‘Secondly, the crowd were cheering the idea that the community wouldn’t let a man without health insurance die.’

      Their concern is quite touching.  Apparently the hospitals in the US are not above putting patients out on the street, when they cannot pay !  What a caring,  sharing society that must be ?  What an obscene disgrace, when you consider the wealth of that nation !

    • acotrel says:

      07:51am | 14/10/11

      I believe that one of the things Sophie got onto was ‘free’ education?  If she actually got off her big fat arse and did some real thinking, instead of blindly subscribing to the ideology, she’d realise that education is a fundamental issue.  If the kids are educated, we all benefit.  Especially the top end of town !

    • Trevor says:

      08:38am | 14/10/11

      Furthermore Actorel, the US privatised system is the most expensive in the world to run. All those administrators to pay etc. Being both the most expensive and with the worst health outcomes, neo-liberals and other advocating for such a system hear must have their fingers in their ears singing lalalalalalalalala (just think of the money).

      Cuba has a much cheaper and more effective health system.

      The Tea Party (and their growing Australian equivalent) are the biggest bunch of hypocritical, self-interested rednecks to form since the ‘Liberal’ party.

      Disgusting.

    • NicoleG says:

      09:18am | 14/10/11

      acotrel, I’m so happy that you have moved your infatuation from Abbott to Mirabella. Now all we need is for you to work on the annoying, over use and inaccurate punctuation you have. You should be issued with a keyboard that does not have the ? ! keys.

    • Richard says:

      11:39am | 14/10/11

      I don’t believe a word of what Trevor said. The quality of healthcare on the United States is the best in the world, in fact you often hear of some sock kid in Australia or Britain trying to raise funds for life saving treatment that can only be obtained in America (and certainly NOT in Cuba).

      Also, this tea party bashing based on falsehoods is cowardly. The tea party aren’t monsters. Please don’t make up stories to falsely portray them as such punch team.

    • Trevor says:

      12:50pm | 14/10/11

      @Richard

      “The quality of healthcare on the United States is the best in the world”

      Only for the top 10% of the population who can afford it, and even then the quality is arguable. The insurance companies employ armies of people to comb over health insurance policies to look for ‘mistakes’ so that claims can be refused, sick and injured people are wheeled out onto the street if found to not have insurance. Which, as insurance is tied to employment, is becoming more and more common as people lose their jobs. Heard of the thousands of people having to sell their houses etc when they get sick? Oh but they should have thought of that before they got sick- is that right Richard?

      Tea Party bashing is entirely appropriate. Kill of social security and any sort of social safety network , but don’t you dare touch my Medicare! Hypocrites.

    • onlooker says:

      06:57am | 14/10/11

      Mirabella is out of control, its ok to be a rebel, but when it affects those around you, its time to pull the pin. Tony Abbott must advocate this, or she would be on the back bench. The fact that she offends people does not seem to matter to them. Like it or not she has lost respect from many over her involvement with the older gentleman and personally I feel for his family. I have an elderly father myself, my mother died 10 years ago. Fortunately my dad is a very down to earth man and he would never allow anyone to affect his relationship with us , his children or his precious grandchildren, but it would break my heart if he found someone like Mirabella in the last years of his life and we lost contact with him. When your parents or loved ones are gone, you never have another chance for one more cuddle

    • jf says:

      07:30am | 14/10/11

      Yeah Dad better ask your opinion before he gets into a mature, happy and healthy sexual relationship.

      My old man is in a relationship with a much younger women we don’t like much. It makes him happy: we suck it up.

    • onlooker says:

      07:50am | 14/10/11

      JF It would not be a matter of money with me or my siblings and yes we would want my dad to be happy, but we would also expect to keep in contact with a man we dearly love. From what I have read that was not the case with the elderly man’s family that Mirabella was involved with. I am sure you still see your dad, as it should be.I begrudge my dad nothing in life , he has been a good father, but I would hate some jealous scheming woman to ruin our relationship with him in the last years of his life.

    • acotrel says:

      08:37am | 14/10/11

      Even Sophie is capable of love ?  That can’t be all bad ! She’s just ticked one of the boxes, in my opinion.

    • Millicent says:

      12:37pm | 14/10/11

      Sophie is capable of the love of money and power acotrel.. she is a sad sad very loud woman

    • acotrel says:

      01:55pm | 14/10/11

      @Millicent
      If the LNP was lead by the female equivalent of Berlusconi ....... well everyone has their price !

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      07:17am | 14/10/11

      As I understand it, the Honourable Member for Indi was banned while trying to table 4500 submissions to a Parliamentary Inquiry that were ‘censored’ by the relevant committee? Whatever happened to the Westminster System of Democracy? As well as passing a deeply unpopular series of Bills that don’t have the support of the majority of the population, they are now censoring their own people! If the whole of the might of the Committee of State Security could not shut down a couple of backyard printing presses, what hope do this incompetent lot have when nearly every house has a Computer and a Printer?

    • Nathan says:

      07:26am | 14/10/11

      Oh yeah if it was shocking what happened to her the lnp would be up in arms they are not. Common sense would lead me to believe she was pulling crap from her law background and wasting everyone’s time

    • B4Bear says:

      07:28am | 14/10/11

      How cool. The (Dis)Honourable Member was banned for not following the instructions of the Speaker. Or don’t the rules apply to her?

    • scumbag says:

      07:36am | 14/10/11

      ‘The Honourable Member’ title ought to be rescinded by the Australian Parliament, and replaced by ‘The Member No Worries’

    • acotrel says:

      08:41am | 14/10/11

      @scumbag
      We can’t get rid of Sophie ! ! Who else would be so entertaining ? It’s like watching Tarzan’s offsider and a pygmie !

    • Aitch B says:

      08:55am | 14/10/11

      Erm…. whether she is honourable or not, her Parliamentary title is “Mrs”. You are only officially tagged with “The Honourable” if you are currently or have been a Minister of the Crown.

      Just sayin’...........

    • persephone says:

      09:35am | 14/10/11

      Col

      well, you understood it wrong.

      She doesn’t even claim that.

      She tried to table a petition of 1200 people from her electorate (despite the fact, which as an MP she was well aware of, that petitions can only be tabled on Monday mornings, when time is set aside for this purpose).

      When this was refused, she argued with the Speaker (a Liberal, btw).

      She was tossed for disputing the ruling of the Speaker, in accordance with parliamentary proceedure.

      She defied the Westminster system of democracy through her treatment of the Speaker and her attempt to override the rules of Parliament.

      As for the rest of your rant, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

      It’s highly possible you don’t, either.

    • PeterA says:

      10:49am | 14/10/11

      @Persephone, again with this ‘petitions only on Monday’ nonsense? Read Standing Order 43 and 207: Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, during 90 second comments.  The point is now that Parliament doesn’t know what the petition is because the ALP minister sitting prim shook his head and refused the symbolic tabling of the signatures. It was a blatant, public rejection of a petition which Parliament has now not seen. The Punch Team knows as well as anyone that the ALP closed its mind a long time ago on its course of Lodge- retention. The rejection of the petition is symbolic of the ALP’s rejection of any who didn’t accept their continued ‘privileged knowledge’ claims.  The problem of political parties ignoring opinions which are widely held needs to be addressed if Federal Parliament is to govern in the interests of an educated electorate. Don’t tell me Keating’s clever country programme has been tossed out as unworkable!  Selecting and richly-remunerating biased experts to support legislation which is explicitly excluded from a policy platform undermines the democratic process and the value of the very legislation they want to push through.

    • persephone says:

      11:14am | 14/10/11

      PeterA

      yes, because it’s true.

      See:

      http://www.aph.gov.au/house/info/infosheets/is11.pdf

      ‘Petitions can be mailed to the Petitions Committee
      in the House of Representatives. Alternatively,
      petitioners may ask any Member, including a
      Minister, to present a petition in person. In both
      cases, the Committee checks that petitions are ‘in
      order’ (comply with the rules for petitions) before
      presentation.’

      ‘Petitions are usually presented on Mondays by the
      Chair of the Petitions Committee.;

      ‘If a Member wishes to present a petition in person, there are a number of opportunities for this, including the time for Members’ statements,
      adjournment debate and the grievance debate.’

      So petitions are tabled on Mondays, unless an MP requests otherwise, but in that case the Petitions committee must have agreed to that happening.

      Oh, and learn how to use paragraphs.

    • PeterA says:

      01:50pm | 14/10/11

      @Persephone,
      The only thing you now have left to stand on is the suggestion that the Petitions Committee said that Ms Mirabella couldn’t table the petition because it didn’t comply with the rules of petitions, but that she tried.  Can you tell us all where to find that piece of information, or is it more misinformation along the lines of this ‘only on Monday’ nonsense which you’ve just proved by your own quotes to have been incorrect - but then repeated!  Tell a lie often enough, eh?

      (To spell it out: read what you quoted again and focus on that one important word, ‘usually’, which means ‘not always but most frequently’‘.  Therefore, ‘not always on Mondays’. Put together what you read in the SOs: Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays are an option, if personal presentation is requested by the petitioners, and the petition is in order according to the Committee…. .So, first point is that it isn’t only on Mondays, as you keep asserting in error.)

      As far as we know, it was a rejection of a symbolic tabling of a legitimate petition from citizens by a party which blatantly ‘misinformed’ its way into power.

    • persephone says:

      07:53pm | 14/10/11

      Read my second last paragraph, where I’ve clearly shown that I understand ‘not only on Mondays.’

      Note that there’s no mention of your Wednesday, Thursday or whatever 90 minute comments are.

      Clearly Mirabella had not gone through the processes of having her tabling of the petition approved, or the Speaker wouldn’t have asked the Minister whether he allowed it to be tabled (it wouldn’t have been necessary).

      But keep frantically trying to NOT admit to being wrong.

      When you raised the point, I went away and checked - because I acknowledge that I can be wrong.

      You obviously didn’t , because you don’t believe that that’s possible.

    • PeterA says:

      03:24pm | 15/10/11

      @ Persephone, I gave the standing order references before in this comment sub-thread, and also a couple of days ago when I saw a similar comment from a (perhaps different) Persephone about the same issue on a different article.  Read further than the info sheet, into the actual Standing Orders, and you will see that there was no procedural irregularity.

      If you’re going to be really picky about paragraphs here, you’ll also have to be more explicit about what you acknowledge to have accepted.  Anyone can cut and paste paragraphs from an info sheet, even if they haven’t read it.
      I’m not arguing that going against the Speaker is right, but you can’t really argue that if she’d been in the chamber for the vote some ALP member might have had a change of mind, especially given what’s at stake.  It isn’t right to justify rejection of the tabling of a petition at a symbolic moment by misrepresenting Parliamentary procedure, unless you want parliament to ignore legitimate petitions altogether.

    • persephone says:

      07:07pm | 16/10/11

      Peter A

      I really don’t know what your problem is.

      The Standing Orders agree with what I have outlined - petitions are tabled in the House on Monday mornings, unless an MP has arranged otherwise.

      All petitions must go through the Petitions Committee, to verify that they comply with the rules.

      A member cannot just rock up any time and plonk a petition on the table.

      Clearly, even reading the Standing Orders you refer to, Mirabella was out of line.

      She did not run the petition through the committee. She did not table it during the members’ statements period, during an adjournment debate, during the time set aside for constituency statements, or during a grievance debate.

      Quibble all you like, she broke the rules. She defied parliamentary proceedure. She must have known that what she was doing was against all protocol. She then defied the Speaker, who was perfectly in his rights to refuse to let a petition be tabled under the circumstances.

      All I can suggest to explain such behaviour is that she did not want the petition scrutinised.

      Otherwise she would have followed the correct proceedure, and there would have been no problem.

    • PeterA says:

      08:44pm | 18/10/11

      Obviously as Queen of this Underworld, Persephone, your role here is to niggle people by feigning both knowledge and reasonableness. You had me going there for a while but now I see that you’re just sporting.  Enjoy your throne. See ya.

    • KH says:

      07:30am | 14/10/11

      How about that guy in QLD claiming Anna Bligh’s government kept a ‘dirt file’ on his party colleagues, and constantly admonishing them for it?  Yesterday, he was forced to explain why his own party were keeping ‘dirt files’ on the state government MPs…...........hilarious. 

      Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it?

    • Sarah says:

      12:47pm | 14/10/11

      @KH

      Yeah - I live in SEQ - that guy you’re talking about is Campbell Newman. He used to be the Lord Mayor of Brisbane - and he made a massive mess of Brisbane City Council, spent so lavishly that you would think he was a Labor member and then danced off into the sunset, to claim his spot as the leader of the LNP (opposition) in QLD.

      Nevermind that he doesn’t actually have a seat in state parliament, therefore he’s ‘running’ the LNP from the outside and unless he beats Kate Jones in the next election for her seat (she’s Labor - so despite his idiocy - he has a good chance) then he can’t even be the leader of the party - because the idiot still doesn’t have a seat!

      Campbell Newman is as toxic as Anna Bligh and the QLD Labor party.

      My God - we desperately urgently need all new politicians in QLD state politics and frankly - it would be good to ditch every single one of the federal’s as well. Where are the statesmen??

    • Trevor the antihypocritical says:

      01:22pm | 14/10/11

      Vote for Trevor!

    • jf says:

      07:36am | 14/10/11

      8. Julia Gillard’s Malaysia Solution

      Julia Gillard, having spent ten years in opposition criticising the previous government for off-shore processing of refugees (albeit carefully monitored by Australian officials), attempted to do the same thing (albeit to a country with an appalling reputation for their treatment of refugees).

      Her wilful dishonesty in rejecting a working, viable solution for pure political expediency has now created a real problem for her with no alternative but to either process on-shore with the certainty that many more will die at sea.

    • RyaN says:

      08:56am | 14/10/11

      @jf: Hear, hear.
      Even more offensive is that she shows such contempt for the intelligence of the average Australian that she thinks she can blame this on Tony Abbott and the public won’t see the bullshit for what it is.
      She must think we have a short memory and don’t remember her and her party dismantling the pacific solution.

    • Joan says:

      11:14am | 14/10/11

      Gillard now doing what she always wanted to do -onshore processing- the rest was just a show (just ike her `No Carbon Tax` ploy to win over voters)- she had plenty of choices to make offshore processing work - she still has choices. Gillard just doing onshore processing as always was her intention while squawking `It`s all Abbotts fault` at the same time . Tricky, sneaky Gillard at work.

    • Kelly says:

      01:02pm | 14/10/11

      OH MY GOD! Are @RyaN, @jf and @Joan telling me a politician lied to me? Please, say it isn’t so. How will I go on? How will I sleep at night? Why isn’t the sky falling in? Heavens, no! No! Noooooooooooooooooo!

      If you lot are so thick to believe them, more fool you.

    • RyaN says:

      02:32pm | 14/10/11

      @Kelly: So let me get this straight, you are trying to justify Gillards blatant betrayal of Australia under some infantile claim that “all politicians lie”?

    • jf says:

      06:52pm | 14/10/11

      Kelly says: 02:02pm | 14/10/11
      “If you lot are so thick to believe them, more fool you.”

      Just because it is blatantly apparent that Gillard is prepared to lie and deceive on any issue and with blatant regard for the consequences doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t be held to account.

      Or are you so thick that you can’t understand the difference?

    • Soames says:

      07:46am | 14/10/11

      So, not a squeak about the offshore immigration legislation? Still banging on about the carbon tax I see.

    • Woff says:

      07:51am | 14/10/11

      “There Will Be No Carbon Tax Under The Government I Lead”

      I guess she’ll be handing over to Kevin after the bill passes the Senate then.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      11:55am | 14/10/11

      This may actually play out in reality. I’d give it about a 30% chance of genuinely happening.

    • Gerard says:

      06:46pm | 14/10/11

      As Gillard is yet to demonstrate any leadership, she won’t have broken that promise.

    • Anna C says:

      08:17am | 14/10/11

      Hello Punch Editors,

      Can we please have no more articles about the following topics because it is becoming repetitive, boring and tiresome and everything that can be said has already been said about these issues.

      * The Carbon Tax
      * Sophie Mirabella
      *  Steve Jobs

    • fairsfair says:

      08:38am | 14/10/11

      Yeah, I am struggling to work out how anyone has any words left on the carbon tax. How many times can you yourself, say the same thing over and over again? Ask the same questions? Give the same answers? Crack the same jokes? Use the same insults?

      Ah well, clearly some people want to talk about these things, but I’m hearing you Anna C. Its Friday!

    • Sheldon says:

      05:28pm | 14/10/11

      *Gay marriage

    • Anna C says:

      08:17am | 14/10/11

      Hello Punch Editors,

      Can we please have no more articles about the following topics because it is becoming repetitive, boring and tiresome and everything that can be said has already been said about these issues.

      * The Carbon Tax
      * Sophie Mirabella
      *  Steve Jobs

    • Budz says:

      08:24am | 14/10/11

      I have to argue number 3. The way ‘poverty’ is calculated in Australia is very different to the 3rd world. Here it is not kids going starving and not being educated. In Australia the definition is below half the mean or median (result varies a lot depending on which option you choose), but this still by no means people are dying of starvation.
      Based on this definition of poverty, you will NEVER get rid of poverty in Australia unless we became a communist country where everyone had the same amount. I don’t think this is a realistic goal to aim for (am I contradicting myself here?).

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:59am | 14/10/11

      Its slogans like Bob Hawke said which never work - Poverty is always going to be there, like peace in the middle east will likely not happen, Africa suddenly becoming rich, in America I think they had ’ no child left behind’ every Prime Minister/President needs something catchy to go on, it’ll never stop.

    • Big Jay says:

      10:48am | 14/10/11

      @Budz…Totally Agree.

      Depends if you measure *relative* poverty, or *absolute* poverty…Every child should be housed, fed and educated, and they pretty much are (People overseas would kill for this). I’m pretty sure thats not entirely due to Bob Hawke though!.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      08:40am | 14/10/11

      It has not only been when the Zimbabwe dictator Mugabe took power that Western leaders, plus Russia,in particular the USA & the leaders of that uppity little island off the coast of France the UK, endorsed, supported & backed every thing he did. Just have a look at what the US & UK Russia etc. have done. They backed Idi Amin when he grabbed power in Uganda - a murderous despot. They backed Saddam Hussein for most of his murderous, despotic tenure, They backed Gaddafi for his entire murderous, despotic reign.
      Who are, reportedly the biggest supporter of the despotic, murderous regime in Iran? Russia & China
      They gleefully provided guns, gas, planes, bombs, tanks to these regimes so that they could suppress their citizens. If the suppression did not work, as it has failed to do in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Iran, Syria etc.the despots simply turned those weapons supplied to them by Russia, China, the US, UK & others on their own citiziens, collectively, killing uncounted tens of thousands
      Sophie is now a figure of fun & we will get a laugh every time she opens her mouth on the ABC’s Q&A!

    • Traxster says:

      08:42am | 14/10/11

      Didn’t someone once say something about…getting the politicians you deserve ?.

    • Frank Golding says:

      08:57am | 14/10/11

      What no own goals from Tony Abbott?  So many to choose from:

      * His attempted character assassination of asbestos campaigner Bernie Banton. (October 2007)
      * His exchange with Nicola Roxon after the debate at the Press Club in which Abbott said Roxon was talking “bullsh!t”. (November 2007)
      * Using the expression, ‘Sh*t happens’ to explain the death of an Australian soldier in Afghanistan (Feb 2011)

      * Telling the 7.30 Report that he often said things he didn’t believe. And that his case “statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared, scripted remarks.” (May 2010)

      He then illustrated this in his flip flopping on climate change:
      * Climate change is “crap” (October 2009)
      * ‘‘We don’t want to play games with the planet so we are taking this issue seriously and we would like to see an ETS.’’ (October, 2009)
      * ‘‘I’ve never been in favour of a carbon tax or an emissions trading scheme’‘. (July 2011)
      * He announced a new Coaltion policy on carbon emission reduction in February 2010, which committed the Coalition to a 5% reduction in emissions by 2020. In July 2011 he undermined his own position, labelling as “crazy” the bipartisan commitment to cut Australia’s carbon output by 5%, the exact target of the Government.

      * Standing in front of rally protesters holding offensive placards. (March 2011)

    • persephone says:

      12:17pm | 14/10/11

      Frank

      what about ‘rolled gold’ promises on Medicare that he staked his political future on? (and then broke…)

      or his exchange with Kerry O’Brien on the 7.30 report - wtte of ‘no, I haven’t met with Cardinal Pell” “Oh, yes, last week I met with Cardinal Pell, but it’s none of your business…”

      or ‘There’ll be a paid parental pay scheme over my dead body…”

    • John Smythe says:

      01:42pm | 14/10/11

      When he does that ...as a leader of our nation…feel free to attack further.

    • Martin says:

      04:43pm | 14/10/11

      Signing some scrap of paper WorkChoices “dead, buried and cremated” was good too, but it’s “Jetlag” FTW !

    • Trevor says:

      09:34am | 14/10/11

      What about:

      -Children overboard
      -Tampa
      -Mohammed Haneef
      -Bali 9
      -GST gymnastics
      -WMD

      etc?

    • marley says:

      12:14pm | 14/10/11

      What about them?  Howard won an election in part because of the first two, and he certainly didn’t lose one because of any of the others - the only one that had any real impact was arguably the Haneef affair.  Own goals imply you damage your team a la Mirabella;  most of these had no impact at all.

    • Trevor says:

      01:04pm | 14/10/11

      You are right in the short term Marley, the LNP did get re-elected because of those fiascos, although I don’t think it should be seen as a positive!

      On a longer term, these things have done much damage. The AFP are now seen as judicious bunch of thugs ready to let fellow Australians face the death penalty over trivial drug importation. The Haneef affair just stank of Keystone cops. Our proud SAS troops got sent out to round up a bunch of pathetic asylum seekers, that didn’t do much for their hard-earned reputation.

      In regards to WMD, history will be a very harsh judge of that one.

      So I suppose it depends on who you are trying to impress re own goals. History or ignorant rednecks.

    • marley says:

      01:42pm | 14/10/11

      @Trevor -  as I said, the term “own goal” has a pretty specific meaning - it doesn’t matter whether you’re an historian or an ignorant redneck - the term doesn’t apply.

      As for the Bali 9, sorry, but a lot of Australians, myself included, would not consider attempting to smuggle several million dollars worth of heroin as a “trivial drug importation.”  The UN and other organizations have major international protocols on cooperation in combatting organized crime and international drug trafficking, and the AFP’s actions were entirely within that international framework.  Or do you think we should remove ourselves from those international agreements if there’s a risk Australians working for organized crime organizations might get themselves arrested?

      Both ASIO and the SAS will outlive whatever damage to their reputations were caused by the Haneef and Tampa affairs.  The primary culprits there were pollies, not agencies, and as I said, the pollies didn’t really pay much of a price.

      WMD - who knows what history will say?  When all the books are open, will it say that Bush and Howard knew there were no WMDs, or will it say they mistakenly believed there were WMDs?  There’s a difference.

    • Trevor says:

      02:06pm | 14/10/11

      @Marley

      “Or do you think we should remove ourselves from those international agreements if there’s a risk Australians working for organized crime organizations might get themselves arrested?”

      Yes- when the dealth penalty is involved. Pretty much the same as us pulling out of UN conventions re refugees at our political convenience.

      Compared to traditional capitol offences such as murder or crimes against humanity, yes, drug trafficking is trivial.

      History is already forming arounf WMD and it ain’t flattering for the invading countries. Mike Kelly murdered for speaking out? Valerie Plame outed by the CIA for the same? And a host of other indiscretions to try to hide this cover up. Not going to end up well for Howard, Blair or Bush.

    • Chris L says:

      02:50pm | 14/10/11

      Just on that last point Marley, then CIA director George Tenet advised Bush there were no WMDs in Iraq. Bush ignored him.

      I cannot reference the source, so I’ll understand if you dismiss this statement, but I recall reading that Howard had access to Tenet’s report before committing Australia to the war.

    • marley says:

      04:24pm | 14/10/11

      @Chris L - oh, you could well be correct.  I’m certainly not going to dismiss what you’re saying.

      I’m mindful though of all the conflicting intel the Americans got before Pearl Harbour - and they chose to rely on the wrong bits.  In hindsight, a mistake, but at the time, maybe understandable.  I wouldn’t be amazed if something similar happened in this situation - conflicting info, and a bad choice made. History will blame the decision-makers, but history can be ruthless, and sometimes unfair, in applying today’s certainties to the past.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      10:34am | 14/10/11

      Some people are bright enough to take a degree but remain stupid - Ms Mirabella is one of those “I’m a female and as good or better than anyone else” kind of women (at least in public) and so often makes a fool of herself. I cringe when she appears on TV especially Q&A (which is I admit my limited exposure to her.)
      I’m not surprised that she just didn’t think about what she was doing to get expelled from the house - Women trying to be blokes just doesn’t work - blokes can survive stupidity much, much better than women.

    • Pete(BD) says:

      02:20pm | 14/10/11

      Crikey Palone where didja get your rose coloured glasses from ......I really need a pair haveing been a Labor voter for many of my 61 years and only voted lib at the last NSW election…..........definitely wont be even considering the old party before I kark it I guess

    • palone says:

      10:37am | 14/10/11

      Anna C and the other opportunistic hypocrites who feel that having quite rightfully complained about the duplicitous and equqally hypocritical Mirabella we should cease and desist, take note. “NO!”
      Every day you and your syncophantic cohorts take a shot at our Prime Minister for telling a lie. She didn’t lie. As much as commentators from all sides call it a tax, it is not a tax. It’s a penalty for over-polluting. I won’t get taxed, Anna C won’t get taxed, and the only ones paying will be the billion-dollar companies who, (or which), in their mad pursuit of unbelevable profits, release unacceptable pollution into the air we breathe. No tax, ergo, no lie.
      Repetition won’t make it so, just as that same type of repetition in regard to the situation Abbott’s little pet so petulantly entangled herself in, won’t result in her removal. Abbott, whose position is ever tenuous, can’t afford to lose one vote in the Party room. He is only there by virtue of one vote, (which means that half of his mob don’t want him), and being a liar, (he advocated a carbon tax ages ago), he knows that the LNP rabble don’t want him at all. He’s vulnerable. When the time comes he will be exposed for the lying opportunist that he is.
      Every time I read “Juliar”, I say to myself, “She’s not, but the failed priest is”.
      When Abbott goes the next leader, (Bronwyn Bishop?), will quickly say, “No work-choices!”. Maybe with a never, never, never, to make it absolute. (That does make something absolute, doesn’t it?). Oh! Sorry.
      Howard, who the good people of Australia, (and even his own Liberal electorate), consigned to the rubbish bin of history, was often guilty of lying. Abbott, his protege, who knelt when Howard said ‘kneel’ is no different. They both call it “the art of politics”. Out here away from their religous cult directives we simply call it ‘lying’.
      If you girls out there who have a ‘thing’ for the Mad Monk were true Liberals you would demand Mirabella’s head on a platter. But you are only faux-Liberals. You don’t care about deceit, about lying, about Australia’s interests, or even about your children. Like Abbott, you just want to be in power. I’m sorry for you.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      11:18am | 14/10/11

      Onja palone quite right - but please please do not give the Coalition party status - the Opposition is a coalition of the Liberal and National Parties. The only single LNP is in Queensland. By definition the opposition is a coalition no different to the Labor-Green- Independent coalition in government. One of the conditions of the Lib-Nat coalition is that the leader of the Nats becomes ex officio the deputy leader of the opposition or deputy Prime Minister if in government.
      THERE IS NO FEDERAL LNP - IT"S A COALITION! FFS

    • Trevor says:

      11:21am | 14/10/11

      Beautifully said.

    • Anna C says:

      11:42am | 14/10/11

      @Palone

      Firstly, the Carbon Tax is a tax and I unlike you will not be compensated for it even though my carbon footprint is not high when compared to others? How is this fair? Why should I be discriminated based on my income and single/childless status?

      Secondly, I don’t like Sophie Mirabella and I have stated so many times on previous posts.

      Thirdly, just because some of us are opposed to a Carbon Tax doesn’t make us Tony Abbott’s disciples. I don’t particularly like the man but what’s the alternative?

      Fourthly, what is the point of re-hashing the same crap over and over again when we all know that Sophie Mirabella will always be a c#@t, the Carbon tax is a done deal and Steve Jobs is dead? Boring.

    • Sarah says:

      12:50pm | 14/10/11

      @Anna C

      Hear Hear! I have your back!

      Palone - you really are a brainwashed lefty, aren’t you? Wake up to yourself.

    • Chris L says:

      02:08pm | 14/10/11

      @Anna and Sarah, you raise a fair point. By the dictionary definition a government imposed price is pretty much the same as a tax. So in that infamous address by Gillard you would have interpreted her words as “we won’t have a tax but we will have a tax”. At this point surely you would have reassessed your interpretation of her words.

      For those others of us who see a distinction between a tax upon citizenry and a price imposed upon an activity (such as using electricity or, in this case, outputting carbon) there was no lie as it was spelled out before the election. Andrew Bolt posted as much on the eve of the election, stating that Labor would consider an election victory a mandate for a carbon price.

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      10:55am | 14/10/11

      Sophie may be a loud-mouth who simply adores the sound of her own voice.
      What she says may not be very relevant to anything or anybody other than herself.
      But the Parliament will be that much duller &, if it’s possible, even more boring than it already is when she retires, is sacked or permanently suspended from the rail running across the front of the Public Gallery
      Though what she says is usually nonsense at least for entertainment purposes it’s up there at the top of the comedy ratings!
      At least our Sophie is Alive & in a macabre sort of way interesting to hear!!
      As my beautiful oh-so-happily gay grandson Jason says: “Gramma, I wish Soph was a male for she would make a great drag-queen!”

    • Dodge says:

      11:09am | 14/10/11

      Sophie’s a caricature of nasty women you find on the right… She’s sort of like one of the vacuous hotties on Fox News (sans the hottie part) who go into bat for the rich - usually rich hubbies to be precise.

      Of course Sophie got into wealth in a more…. Extravagent way.

      Any vague or in part praising of the far right and US Tea Party should be immediately stomped on. Their disgusting hypocrisy is something we don’t need in Australia.

    • Horns Up says:

      11:23am | 14/10/11

      8. Tony Abbotts Carbon Action Super Duper Plan (or whatever wonderful name he’s attached to it).

      You know the one he can’t get an economist to back (because they’re all stupid apparently) and he has the same polution targets as Labor. Where basically he wants to get there by throwing buckets of our cash (don’t say taxes) at big business and cross his fingers and hope.

      \m/

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:45am | 14/10/11

      Politicians like Mirrabella remind me of another “great” Liberal “thinker” Bruce Goodluck (the chicken suited member for Franklin in Tasmania).

      I remember in the late 80’s hearing him defend one of his typically indefensible positions. When the journalist suggested that his position was misinformed and based on ignorance Goodluck responded that being a democracy the position of the ignorant and misinformed needed representation too- and that was his job.

      As Mark Twain said: History doesn’t repeat - it rhymes.

    • Phil says:

      11:46am | 14/10/11

      How about “there’ll never ever be a GST. It’s dead…”?

      Certainly didn’t hurt John Howard when he lied about it, did it?

      As soon as the public see that the carbon price scheme won’t hurt them, they’ll move on. As for Tony Abbott pledging “in blood” to repeal it- if the coalition get in I’m curious to see how long before that little white lie is exposed…

    • Ron Vincent says:

      03:25pm | 14/10/11

      John Howard did say no GST and changed his mind BUT WENT TO AN ELECTION for a mandate AND got it. With so many people against a CARBON “DIOXIDE” TAX, our PM should have done the same thing. We all know, especially Labor supporters, she couldn’t because Labor would have been annihilated. By the way, Tony Abbott will be able to dissolve both Houses. Don’t kid yourselves that 2 Independents won’t lose their seats; Labor will end up with only 1 or 2 seats in Queensland; massive losses in all other States, and how about the Greens GONE. The voting public are heartily sick of being preached to by the Greens and Labor. As they feel that they are so righteous and know better than the people paying their salaries, she should call an election NOW. We will be put out of our misery and many will have to go back and work as shop stewards or union reps, about the only jobs they are qualified to do. Except our current PM of course, who could become a hairdresser’s assistant.

    • Mark says:

      12:16pm | 14/10/11

      Nurse Ratchet has left the ward…

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      12:56pm | 14/10/11

      Why don’t we add the behaviour of both Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young & the Commonwealth Ombudsman Allan Asher to the list of local stuff-ups?
      What sort of stupidity was it for them to come to a cosy little agreement whereby Allan Asher - whom I would have thought was supposed tobe above Party Politics, 100% Open & 100% Unbiased. - agreed to, or suggested that he should write the questions which he wanted the Greens to ask him?
      As a result how can anyone even think of approaching the Ombudsman of the Commonwealth of Australia with an expectation that he/she or they will get a fair hearing & outcome which is not politically tainted?
      They can’t. It is as simple as that. They can’t.
      I have never liked the Greens but was coming round a bit because of their opposition to the Gillard/Abbott inhumane, cruel Off-Shore/Malaysian Solution - reminds me of another “Solution"put into practice about 80 years ago.
      Mr Asher must resign or be sacked.
      Sarah Hanson-Young must go too
      Together they have irretrievably politicised the Offce of Commonweath Ombudsman

    • Jane Wallace says:

      12:58pm | 14/10/11

      Deputy Speaker Peter Slipper Liberals sent off Sophie Mirabella Liberals from federal parliament for ” glib, immature , childish ,insane fantasies” on Tuesday October 11 2011.
      As a result on wednesday October 12 2011 9.30 am, Julia the Conqueror won the Battle Of Carbon Tax Tastings over King Tony of Abbott by winning eighteen bills votes to zero, nought, nil. nothing,  zilch,.
      It was similar to the Battle Of Hastings October 14 1066, where William the conqueror defeated King Harold of england!

    • Julia the Conqueror says:

      01:02pm | 14/10/11

      John Howard ( Coalition) said
      “Never ever A GST”
      Now we have the GST and the Carbon Tax..
      OOps, this the Punch.
      Sorry, we are not to criticise the Coalition in The Punch here or else!
      Oops , Sorry!

    • Fran Smith says:

      02:21pm | 14/10/11

      Sorry? So you should be.

    • Pete(BD) says:

      05:19pm | 14/10/11

      Ahahahaha all very entertaining it all depends on which way your interests lay and who you think will meet your needs, desires, wants, greed etc.

      Personally I reckon I’m gonna be pretty peed off no matter who is in power because” they” will undoubtedly do something I’m definitely not gonna like.

      All I know is I was not pleased when some faceless people put the knife to the elected leader and replaced him with a puppet in the guise of a red headed clown.
      Not pleased when an undeniable promise was broken to please a few to maintain power.
      Not pleased when a working policy as far as assylum seekers is trashed and no viable alternative is implememted.
      Not pleased when I see the plethora of minority groups being pandered to without the general population being listened to and actually jeered at(convoy of no significance)
      Tired of watching the generous handouts to people who have not worked and contributed to the country but land on the doorstep saying gimme and complaining that they want more.
      Tired of watching prices increase and not being able to keep up with the pension I’m on even though there has been significant increases.

      Q: Soo who do we need or rather what do we need
      A: A stable government that will LISTEN to the majority and provide some sense of security whether we agree with them or not…...didn’t like Little Johnny much but at least I knew he was Aussie even if from the opposite end of town.

    • palone says:

      11:59pm | 14/10/11

      It’s late at night and I’ve just finished work for the day.I’ve read some fairly strange comments here, like one comment from Pete bd, that suggested Howard was an Aussie, even if from the opposite end of town.
      Pete, Howard was never an Aussie. He was the bloke, that in the interest of Bush’s USA sent our kids to fight a war that we had no chance of winning, for no advantage, but only so that he could remain onside with an evil war-monger who happened to be a cultist, as Howard is, and who really only wanted to establish a corridor for the family oil to flow through to Pakistan for cheaper, and more convenient shipment for him, the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia, (who are his partners), and his father. Don’t you read the facts?
      This is the same John Howard that Abbott prostrates himself before. (After the Pope of course.)
      Why don’t Australians think Australian?
      My opinion? Because, like Abbott, Mirabella and some fool called Ron Vincent, it is more important to lie, lie, and lie than to admit that you are wrong. Abbott backed a carbon tax. Now he says,“No carbon tax”. He,and all of his hangers-on are likewise, liars. It’s no good saying, “No, we never”, you did. All of you. All of you wankers that follow the catholic priest, (the failed catholic priest), should ‘confess’, and say “We all lie”. But of course you won’t say it because you are all in denial.
      Labor will win the next election because there is one problem with the LNP. (yeah, I know, but that’s a tag that’s easier), and that problem is that the ordinary Aussie does not like people who back horrible people like Mirabella.

    • Ron Vincent says:

      07:40pm | 16/10/11

      Palone, nice to see you read some of the comments. Shame you were too tired after a hard day at work, so you say, to understand the meaning of many of those remarks. You are typical of many of Labor’s supporters who like to denigrate anyone whose opinion is different to yours. Please tell me where I lied. By the way, you can’t defend our PM who went to the election saying “NO CARBON TAX”. If she had gone to the election asking for a mandate, she would not be in government now. And you know that if an election were called now Labor would suffer worse defeats than Whitlam’s 1975 debacle and Kineally’s 2010 trouncing. Please make sure you read your comments a number of times before sending them in future or if you intend commenting after work make sure you have a good sleep. Bye.

    • Jay says:

      06:46am | 20/10/11

      True, but if she had used this term to sell the tax, do the work and the math, sell it hard and go to the people she would be miles ahead. Take the lie away people want action on the environment.The way Julia and the Greens hijacked people is what has everyone hating her Govt, along with all the other cock ups. Labor has a window to get rif of her and save themselves.If they don’t move they will be in Opposition for over at least three terms. The Liberals can do a lot of damage with control of both Houses of Parliament.

 

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