When I finished studying nutrition, I started clinical practice with the idealism of any twenty-something professional, armed with nothing other than a shiny new degree and lots of energy.

Mmmmmmilky… Photo: Herald Sun

It was with this enthusiasm that I preached the benefits of eating more vegetables, more dietary fibre and the crucial importance of making the change to skim milk.

I have to be honest, now more than 10 years later I am much more open minded in my approach to nutrition, particularly when it comes to the full cream versus skim milk debate. In fact, in many of my client examples on a daily basis, I would argue in many cases there are far worse dietary habits to change than swapping from full cream to skim milk.

The focus on low fat dairy foods emerged largely in the 1980’s after the links between a high intake of saturated fat and heart disease was noted in the scientific literature. It was reasoned that as Australians were consuming a significant proportion of their saturated fat via meat and dairy foods that recommending low fat dairy foods was a powerful way to reduce our intake of saturated fat as a population and reduce the incidence of heart disease.

To some extent, it makes sense. A single glass of full cream milk contains 10g of total fat, 6 of which is saturated fat and since we ideally need to cut back out saturated fat intake to just less than 20g a day to support heart health, choosing low fat dairy makes sense.

The issue with this approach is that while it may sound optimistic from a public health perspective, when it comes down to an individual dietary prescription it makes less sense. Sure you can cut the fat out of your milk, but if you continue to eat fatty meat, fried food and refined carbohydrates, your risk of heart disease is not likely to be any lower. If anything probably worse, all the while you are feeling as if you are ticking the right nutritional boxes with your low fat, skim style diet.

The same can be said for the diets of individuals which are already reasonably “healthy”, if you make a concerted effort to eat a low fat diet with lean meat, limit your treats and high fat foods and exercise regularly. If your fat intake is already low, is skim milk in place of a more nutrient rich milk really be a better choice?

Milk, like bread has been a dietary staple for hundreds of years, and yet it seems modern life and the impact it has on our weight and health is more the issue than any one food. Sure, if you polish off 500ml of full cream milk a day, swapping to light or skim milk will save you 12-18 grams of fat but if your milk is more likely consumed via a cup of coffee once a day, it is likely that you feel that the extra 5-6grams of fat is worth it for flavor and taste alone.

Then there is the school of thought who argue that full cream milk, or even light, reduced fat milks are more satiating, and hence help us all to ultimately eat less, the number one thing we can all do for weight control.

It should be said that there are a couple of common misconceptions when it comes to both skim and full cream milk. Skim milk has not had sugar added in processing, nor does full cream milk have a better nutrient profile than low fat milk. If anything, low fat milk tends to have better nutritional properties with higher levels of calcium, protein and essential nutrients, which have often been added to the milk to improve the entire nutrient profile, the only thing that full cream milk offers is more fat.

So, what do I tell my clients based on both the science and from an individual, whole diet perspective? Usually I hedge my bets and recommend reduced fat or light style milk, it still tastes creamy, cuts out 5-6 grams of fat, 3-4 of which are saturated and seems to be a nice balance between full cream and skim.

However, if I find that one of my clients enjoys full cream milk sparingly via a coffee once a day or a little with their oats, and the rest of their diet is looking pretty good, very rarely would I suggest that they make the change. If anything, the recent media reports of our biggest dairy suppliers using permeate, the by-product from cheese production as a “filler” in our milk makes me think that when it comes to any of our processed foods we have more important things to take into account when choosing different brands than whether the milk is full cream or not.

And then let’s not forget individual choice. Like many of you, I actually do not like the taste of full cream milk, having been programmed throughout my childhood to drink reduced fat milk. Perhaps though, like many for you also, I tend to make up my saturated fat intake via good quality cheese, which clearly a food type that is simply not meant to be consumed in a low fat style.

Such a decision and example of the different food mixes that can achieve a sound dietary balance again emphasises why dietary prescription should always be made based on an individual’s food preferences and choice, there is simply not one approach that is best for all of us.

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    • Zac says:

      06:22am | 18/06/12

      “It was with this enthusiasm that I preached the benefits of eating more vegetables, more dietary fibre and the crucial importance of making the change to skim milk.”

      I hope it didn’t have much to do with that extremist PETA?

      “The wacky environmentalist movement PETA is based on Singer’s philosophy. At least the organisation’s president says as much;”

      “Your comment:To me, Dr. Singer’s logic was impeccable: If we care about animals, shouldn’t we care enough about them to leave them in peace? Animal Liberation, more than anything else, gave me the impetus to start PETA. I hope you get as much out of it as I did.”

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/peter-singer-doesnt-deserve-an-order-of-australia/

    • Diana says:

      06:52pm | 18/06/12

      A) If it had anything to do with animal rights, why on earth would they suggest skim milk, which is still dairy?

      B) PETA is not an environmentalist group, it’s an animal rights group.

      C) Not all animal rights activists support PETA. I certainly don’t. Their methods harm the cause more than they help it.

      D) Not all animal rights activists are extremists. Some of us are quite capable of rational discussion with omnivores. I have never once shouted at anyone, looked askance at their meal, called them a murderer or anything like that. Just as some AR activists need to settle the eff down, omnivores need to stop using the extreme behaviour of some to give themselves an easy excuse to discount some compelling arguments about food production.

    • Justme says:

      07:00am | 18/06/12

      I was hoping for an experts opinion on things like A2, organic, goats milk etc in comparison to supermarket own brand milk. Fat vs skim I could have figured out myself. I want to know if the premium price I pay for boutique dairy products is worth it.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:06pm | 18/06/12

      @Justme - A2 milk is a great option if you find ordinary milk a bit hard to digest (I’m not referring to full-blown lactose intolerance here, just a bit of intestinal discomfort smile ) I used to find that even the lactose-free milk left me feeling a bit bloated and ill sometimes,  but not A2.

    • Justme says:

      05:25pm | 18/06/12

      Thanks Anne71. I’ve been using the A2 for a few weeks and it is definitely better forme. I was hoping it wasn’t just psychological though!

    • Anne71 says:

      12:53pm | 19/06/12

      @Justme - it’s weird, isn’t it? I thought it might have been psychological too, so I tried regular milk just to see how I went. I started feeling the - er - effects wink before I’d even finished the glass.  Needless to say, am sticking with A2 now!

    • Mark says:

      07:38am | 18/06/12

      Suzie, it’s great to see you slowly come across to David Gillespies  way of thinking. For that you should be congratulated. Now you just need to go the whole hog and safe face doing it. The sooner you take that degree in nutrition that you are so keen  to tell us about and preech the benefits of full cream against the biggest issue facing our society…sugar, the better off your clients will be. It’s sugar that’s causing the obesity, type 2 diabetes. and and plethora of other health issues facing society. Come on you know it, the evidence is clear, just bite the bullet and do the right thing for those that care to  listen to you.

    • Luke says:

      11:19am | 18/06/12

      Hi Mark, contrary to popular belief eliminating sugar from your diet has been shown to not significantly deliver better health results for people.

      Obviously it will work for some, but the truth still remains the same and as the article suggests, a balanced diet including exercise AND sugar tailored to your needs is the best way to meet your health goals.

      Don’t demonise anything specific. It might work for you but is very poor public policy.

    • Jack says:

      11:22am | 18/06/12

      And that glass of ‘healthy’ skim milk still has 12g of sugar.

    • Kika says:

      12:31pm | 18/06/12

      Lactose is a sugar. The sugar would be lactose.

    • marl says:

      01:05pm | 18/06/12

      The issue is fructose, 1/2 of what is table sugar, not lactose. Lactose is fine unless your intolerant to it, I should have been more specific jack and Kika

      Luke, sugar (fructose) should be consumed in moderation the same way as nicotine should be consumed in moderation. It’s a hideous addictive, unhealthy substance that should be reduced as much as possible. Three weeks off it and you will no longer miss it as it takes about that long to get it out of your system.

    • Jack says:

      01:38pm | 18/06/12

      I’m well aware that it is lactose. Hence the reason I said there was still 12g of sugar in skim milk, regardless of fat content.

      And no, fructose is not ‘half of table sugar’. Sucrose is made up of a molecule of fructose and a molocule of glucose, but that’s as meaningless as claiming that you can breathe water because it’s a third oxygen.

      And the reason fructose is demonised by those with a degree from Hollywood Upstairs Nutirion University of the Internet is because it is a component of HFCS, which YouTube documentaries have told them is totally evil (and ignores the fact that HFCS is still 42-58% glucose).

    • thatmosis says:

      07:39am | 18/06/12

      I find it amazing that people who were born before the era of don’t eat this or don’t eat that seemed to live full lives and to ages that make modern people look stupid. They ate fatty foods, drank fresh cows milk and butter or lard, drank water out of water tanks that hadn’t been “cleaned” by adding chemicals, everything they ate was natural, not with added this and that, didn’t need to take vitamins or minerals because they had them already in real food that wasn’t force grown with more chemicals than Saddam Insane was supposed to have had and still outlived what most people find acceptable today. Maybe it was because they actually got off their butts and worked or exercised, not in the way we know exercise but walking to work or school instead of being chauffeured everywhere, played sport to win not just to compete. maybe that’s the real way to live.

    • Plain Jane says:

      09:00am | 18/06/12

      Fresh cows milk? You mean 19th C Australia.

      That pre-federation era of Milk & butter so adulterated by the usual sly-boots we had to regulate dairy and most other food stuffs?

      That golden era of child labour, chalk in the flour,  life expectancy in the low 60s, when 10%  of babies (yes, one in every ten) died in their first year of life, when STDs were rife and untreatable,  when the general level of education was roughly equivalent to year 7? When only property owners were allowed a vote, and women not at all?

      That’s the reality of the mythical “golden era” you’re waffling about. For goodness sake.

    • Onlooker says:

      07:58am | 18/06/12

      I only use lite milk, but the best milk I ever had was as a child, the milk man delivered the milk in glass bottles and the cream was a thick layer on the top, all of us boomer kids wanted the cream, and got it. The baker also delivered hot bread in his horse and cart, we smelt him coming before he arrived, that delicious smell of freshly baked bread drifted everywhere. My grandmother lived to be 98 years old..it never hurt her

    • M says:

      08:13am | 18/06/12

      It’s not about taste, it’s about consistency. Full cream milk is just, well, creamier.

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      11:38am | 18/06/12

      True, but not tasting like arse is a bonus.

    • M says:

      12:56pm | 18/06/12

      There’s that too admiral, but it’s about the entire package for me.

      I’ve tried to approach skim/low fat/ whatever milk with an open mind and non-judgemental taste buds, but alas, they are not, nor will they ever be, the equal of full cream milk.

    • Loddlaen says:

      04:31pm | 18/06/12

      Can’t say I’ve ever tasted arse to be able to make that comparison >_>

    • Emma says:

      08:34am | 18/06/12

      If we try to maintain our weight by chosing between full cream of skimmed milk than I think we already have a problem. Full cream milk wont make you fat. The two chocolate bars do. Or the hamburger. I personally have been raised with “full” products like butter, full cream milk, yoghurt etc. No diet things. My mother thought it more healthy to have the real thing but eat sensibly. I heard if you pick diet coke over real coke you try to cheat your body and your body will crave the sugar afterwards. So it will actually be harder to be disciplined and run the risk of consuming more calories than with just one “satisfying” sip of real coke.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      09:14am | 18/06/12

      Germans are generally fit, solid stock who also love sausages. You are continuing the tradition very well.

    • centurion48 says:

      09:50am | 18/06/12

      @Scotchfinger: Germany is considerably less obese than Australia but then France, where suggesting skim milk would be a capital offence, has less fat people than Germany:
      http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
      @Emma is right. It is not a glass of full-cream milk that makes you fat , it is the processed foods (that usually are packed with sugars).

    • Scotchfinger says:

      10:27am | 18/06/12

      @centurion48: superior public transport? Shivering constantly? Or perhaps cramped apartments that force the inhabitants to get off the couch. I know for the French, it’s the constantly getting worked up over intellectual debates. In Australia we don’t believe in expending energy unnecessarily.

    • Ridge says:

      11:23am | 18/06/12

      @centurion48

      No sorry.  Emma is not right.  Obesity is from too many calories, whether it’s from natural or processed sources.

    • Kika says:

      12:19pm | 18/06/12

      I must admit, I miss a good Debrecziner wurst, sauerkraut and mash potato for lunch. :-(  German food kicks Norwegian food’s a-ss. I think my taste buds died in Norway..

    • Emma says:

      12:54pm | 18/06/12

      Kika

      What would you say if I told you I have never eaten that? Most people think Bavarian equals German but its pretty unique and only applies for a bunch of Catholics down South. I am from the very North of Germany and we have a very international and lean diet. I think I have once been made to eat Sauerkraut but I dont remember it well. The region for Sauerkraut is in France today btw. (The region changed nationality a couple of times in the last centuries)

    • Matchofbris says:

      02:01pm | 18/06/12

      The worst thing is that low fat products generally get pumped full of sugar to compensate. It’s easier to burn fat than sugar, as you body uses it first. So having a little more fat in you diet, but a lot less sugar, can still work in your favour. Fat free fad is a marketing gimmick. Like weight watchers ice cream.

    • Kika says:

      03:30pm | 18/06/12

      @Emma -

      Haha. My German ancestors are those Catholics down South. haha. Some from that French side too. I remember my Great Grandma trying to tell me her folks were French until I found out the truth (there was a lot of stigma about being German back in her day). haha. Dorfprozeltern is one of the villages my German ancestors came from.

    • Nathan Explosion says:

      08:49am | 18/06/12

      I miss dairy. I’m lactose intolerant. I really miss ice cream and milk shakes in summer. And that really creamy deli yoghurt with fruit.

    • Emma says:

      09:24am | 18/06/12

      I like zero lacto milk. Its sweeter.

    • Nathan Explosion says:

      01:31pm | 18/06/12

      @Emma

      I usually go for the Liddel’s products smile

      The day we found lactose free cream; there was much rejoicing, and many curries were made.

    • Al says:

      08:49am | 18/06/12

      The biggest issue most don’t realise re: Skim v’s full cream is this.
      If you are consuming it to get some of your calcium intake, then you should have full cream, your body requires some of the components of the milk fat to be able to absorb and use the calcium contained in the milk.
      As such having skim milk (which contains just as much calcium) means that less is absorbed and able to be used by the body compared to full cream milk.

    • DrBob says:

      08:50am | 18/06/12

      Most of us adults probably drink about half a cup of milk a day in tea, coffee etc., assuming that we have fruit rather than cereal swimming in milk for brekkie. That’s roughly equivalent to an insignificant 3 gm of saturated fat a day and you get the better flavour of whole milk to boot, especially if it’s UHT.
      I think an often overlooked diet problem is the fashion for salads, which promote the illusion of lots of vegetables in the diet. The weight of a serving of salad is far less than the weight of a good serving of cooked vegetables and, of course, we use a larger proportion of the nutrients in cooked vegetables, as a bonus.
      As for French fries, I don’t see a problem with occasional un-peeled potato chips deep-fried in largely unsaturated, high flash-point, reasonably-priced vegetable oils like peanut oil.
      We don’t need to live with food neurosis - we just need to pay attention to moderation.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      03:34pm | 18/06/12

      Dr Bob,
      Over the years I have had a number of Cats.
      They all happily drank Fresh Milk.
      Not one of them would touch UHT Milk.
      Doesn’t that tell us something?

    • JustMEinT says:

      09:15am | 18/06/12

      I miss it straight from the cow… not pasturised not homogonised (?sp) not modified and aulterated by modern machinery etc….. however since I have been found to be casein intol, I gave up on MOO milk, cannot use Goat milk, so in baking I use coconut milk and boy does it taste yummie .... hang the fat content…. it is lauric acid and good for you. Won’t touch soy as it is poison, and rice and almond milks are simply water with added substances…..

    • Scotchfinger says:

      09:39am | 18/06/12

      I drink milk straight from the cow, following advice from Professor Peter Singer. She seems to like it as much as I do: win-win.

    • Kika says:

      12:27pm | 18/06/12

      I don’t blame her for liking it - as far as I am aware most breasfeeding Mums get a bit sore when they need to express their milk.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      12:53pm | 18/06/12

      remember the yummy mummy with her oversized toddler hanging from her boob? I wish he would contribute to this debate, full fat vs skim…

    • gobsmack says:

      03:11pm | 18/06/12

      I suspect that toddler was getting a little fat from breastfeeding.

    • Kika says:

      03:25pm | 18/06/12

      Apparently the first bit is the skim bit, then the full fat comes after a prolonged feed. Found that out last week!

    • Borgward says:

      09:26am | 18/06/12

      Having light butter and some full cream has left cholesterol a bit high but bone density very high. At 61 I.ve never had a broken bone.

    • JustMEinT says:

      10:29am | 18/06/12

      Borgward cholesterol numbers are just that = numbers for those in power to play around with. It is a proven fact that those with lower cholesterol numbers die younger! Every cell in the human body including brain cells rely on cholesterol. Lower it and what happens? Did I read somewhere about an epidemic of dementia?

    • Kika says:

      11:17am | 18/06/12

      It’s funny you say that. The paranoia about cholesterol is amazing. I have a genetic sort of anomaly where my eyes have a higher than normal cholesterol level. My Dad has the same thing. I’ve had Optometrists tell me that I’ve got a cholesterol problem (always have a good level). I’ve even had one dare to ask whether I’ve recently been obese!

      I’ve never had a broken bone NOR a filling in my teeth. And I don’t drink milk.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      12:58pm | 18/06/12

      @Kika, high cholesterol in the eyes??? WTF?????? Is this from just looking at pizza, or what?

    • TChong says:

      01:20pm | 18/06/12

      ScotchPhingers
      Kika is correct.
      heightened cholesterol levels ( hyperlipidemia )  affecting eye sight can and does manifest itself in a small % of the population.
      Hypercholesterol is not only caused by diet., can also be caused by hepatic problems , mostly.

    • Audra Blue says:

      01:29pm | 18/06/12

      Cholesterol in the eyes, huh?  That’s nothing.  I heard the comedian Eddie Griffin tell a live audience once that our eyeballs were made of quartz crystal!

      Bwwahahahahahahahaha That guy kills me!

    • Scotchfinger says:

      02:04pm | 18/06/12

      hepatic problems? So perhaps Kika drinks a bit more than is good for her… ha ha, just joking!

      PS TChingy, your care with spelling medical words suggests your facetious spelling of my name is designed to annoy me rather than a typo. Please desist, as the height of rudeness. Why is it only footy bogans who deliberately misspell my name?

    • Kika says:

      03:23pm | 18/06/12

      No the weird thing is my cholesterol levels are good! It’s just I have been born with oily eyes (obviously) ! My dad has the same thing and we’re told the same thing by Optometrists. I asked my Doctor about it and she just said it’s just something I have.

    • Kika says:

      10:41am | 18/06/12

      Well to start off with how can a nutritionist not even mention the fact that milk is completely unnecessary to an adult human’s diet at all, let alone whether skim milk or full cream milk is better? Once you are weaned you are weaned! Your body doesn’t process milk as ‘food’ anymore.

      Milk is designed to be a temporary food source while an infant mammal is too young to feed itself and provides the infant with all the nutritonal requirements for their species and immunity boosting properties all at the same time.

      Broccoli, Asian greens, dark leafy greens are better sources for calcium as they are absorbed by the body better. Dairy is acidic, so whilst it adds calcium it also takes it away at the same time hence why Osteoporosis is more prevalent in populations that depend on dairy for calcium. Plus too much dairy increases the risk for ovarian and prostate cancers.

      Then you’ve got the increasing obesity problem and then you realise we’re consuming what a baby cow is designed to receive their nutrition from.

      But we’ve been conditioned to believe dairy is vital for health, even though the majority of the world is lactose intolerant. It’s crazy.

      http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html

    • Ridge says:

      11:20am | 18/06/12

      Your body doesn’t process milk as ‘food’ anymore.

      Actually, it does.

      Milk is designed to be a temporary food source

      ‘Designed’ implies intent for purpose.  Humans are able to eat and thrive on many different things.  Designed to or not.

      Broccoli, Asian greens, dark leafy greens are better sources for calcium as they are absorbed by the body better.

      Absurd.  Even moreso without any references to back it up.

      Dairy is acidic, so whilst it adds calcium it also takes it away at the same time

      It adds and takes it away?  Do you honestly believe that?

      Plus too much dairy increases the risk for ovarian and prostate cancers.

      How much is too much?  And again, where’s the reference?

      Then you’ve got the increasing obesity problem

      Irrelevant point.  Cure for obesity is to reduce calories.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      01:02pm | 18/06/12

      what about yoghurt? Yoghurt is good for you, I’m sure.

    • Ridge says:

      02:28pm | 18/06/12

      #Humans aren’t ‘designed’ to drink milk after weaning = fact.  If not, then we would all continue to be breast fed forever.

      My previous point still stands.

      #Name one other omnivorous mammal that relies on milk after they are weaned?

      I don’t need to, we’re discussing humans.

      #Why are Europeans the rule for ALL humans?

      More races than just Europeans can process dairy within fairly nominal limits.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

      #why is it that Japanese people….

      Sorry, but correlation is not causation.

    • Kika says:

      03:03pm | 18/06/12

      Ridge =

      Humans are animals just as any other animal. You cannot separate those facts.

      You didn’t even bother reading those articles.

      Nice link to yours! Wikipedia! I got off my btt and found real scholar articles and you could only be bothered bringing up Wikipedia!

      And as that map points out, the majority of the world are lactose intolerant. MY point stands. The places with majority lactose tolerancy are European and European origins. The rest are fairly consistently blue and dark blue.

      @Scotch = make yoghurt from breast milk. It’s designed for humans by humans.

    • Kika says:

      03:14pm | 18/06/12

      Also… I’m glad to see my troll is back.

      And again…

      #Humans aren’t ‘designed’ to drink milk after weaning = fact.  If not, then we would all continue to be breast fed forever.

      My previous point still stands


      - By cows? You believe it’s normal to be breast fed by cows? As I asked you… name one other omnivorous mammal that needs another species lactations post weaning?  And I assume you understand, again, that humans ARE animals. We are not separate from the animal kingdom. We lactate just as they do. Europeans have decided to continue drinking milk designed for calves instead, The theory was for Vitamin D - but that’s not so much believed anymore.

      HA - and your own link links you to the more relevant point in Wikipedia which you wanted to argue - lactose persistance - actually says the majority of the world can’t have lactose

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence

      “The majority of people around the world remain lactase non-persistent,[1] and consequently are affected by varying degrees of lactose intolerance as adults – though not all genetically lactase non-persistent individuals are noticeably lactose intolerant, and not all lactose intolerant individuals have the lactase non-persistence allele”

      “The majority of people around the world remain lactase non-persistent,[1] and consequently are affected by varying degrees of lactose intolerance as adults – though not all genetically lactase non-persistent individuals are noticeably lactose intolerant, and not all lactose intolerant individuals have the lactase non-persistence allele.

      The majority of people around the world remain lactase non-persistent,[1] and consequently are affected by varying degrees of lactose intolerance as adults – though not all genetically lactase non-persistent individuals are noticeably lactose intolerant, and not all lactose intolerant individuals have the lactase non-persistence allele.

      “On the other hand, the percentage of the population who are lactase persistent in sub-Saharan Africa and Southeast Asia is very low”

      Lactose intolerance levels also increase with age. At ages 2 – 3 yrs., 6 yrs., and 9 - 10 yrs., the amount of lactose intolerance is, respectively:

      6% to 15% in white Americans and northern Europeans
      18%, 30%, and 47% in Mexican Americans
      25%, 45%, and 60% in black South Africans
      approximately 10%, 20%, and 25% in Chinese and Japanese
      30–55%, 90%, and >90% in Mestizos of Peru[42][43]

      As you can see, the rates of intolerance grows as the sample ages grow older. Therefore it remains PROVEN that milk is less used as a food source the older you get.

      You made that too easy for me. You should learn how to put an argument together considering you challenged me to one.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      03:40pm | 18/06/12

      @Kika, breasts are wonderful things indeed; but not required for my nutrition, as I am 40 years old. Of course if a scientist declared otherwise I would be the first to join the new breast milk fad.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      05:33pm | 18/06/12

      I’m intolerant to gluten.  Therefore, humans aren’t designed to eat wheat.

      I CAN digest lactose. Therefore, I AM designed to drink milk.

      Seems legit.

    • Ridge says:

      05:35pm | 18/06/12

      1st link: At best, an appeal to authority.  Pseudo-science written with a vegan bias, by a pro-vegan author, and hosted on pro-vegan site.  Hardly objective, and no links to studies.

      2nd and 3rd links: No brainer.  Those who can process it, fine.  Those who can’t, should limit their intake.

      4th link: Interesting, but no real-world benefit.  The RDI for calcium is 1000mg.  Which means to hit that you would need 1.2 kilograms of bok choy, every day.  And that’s just to match the intake requirement (disregarding absorption).

      I can go on and on.

      #You didn’t even bother reading those articles.

      They’re pretty terrible, as demonstrated.

      #And as that map points out, the majority of the world are lactose intolerant.

      Even then, lactose intolerance isn’t black and white.  Don’t like it, don’t drink it.

      #By cows? You believe it’s normal to be breast fed by cows?

      Your logic is appalling.  And you call me the troll.

      #And I assume you understand, again, that humans ARE animals.

      Again, more brilliant logic.  So we shouldn’t cook our food, because animals don’t do it?

      Jimmies: Rustled.

    • Ridge says:

      10:43am | 18/06/12

      In a diet of whole, natural foods which meets your macro + calorie goals, your saturated fat intake won’t mean anything.

      From a weight management and health perspective.

      Next.

    • Audra Blue says:

      01:18pm | 18/06/12

      I don’t drink milk.  I hate the taste and feel of it (it always feels slimy in my mouth) and it gives me a wicked stomach ache.

      For weight management I eat full fat of everything but I end up eating less because of it.  A little exercise each day keeps me fit.  I don’t worry about saturated fat or cholesterol or any of the other bogeyman the health and diet industries have tried to scare me with.

      I’ll keep eating the way I do and 6 monthly checkups at the doctor will tell me if I need to change anything.

    • Matchofbris says:

      02:03pm | 18/06/12

      Lactose intolerance?

      Agreed though. People need to put the effort into their diet and exercise, and not assume that buying all the Diet This and 98% Fat Free That will solve their woes.

    • Kika says:

      03:05pm | 18/06/12

      Audra - you’re probably now lactose intolerant because your enzymes that break down the lactose aren’t working anymore. Most of the world are lactose intolerant as well which indicates that dairy is unnecessary for health.

    • Matchofbris says:

      01:57pm | 18/06/12

      All I can say is that there are too many milks out there, and it’s no wonder people get confused. I’m in the industry. You go to a supermarket and what do you see?

      Coles brand, Pauls, Norco, Dairy farmers - full fat, low fat, skim/fat free, organic, low fat organic. There will be dozens of varieties, some with added vitamins, and blah blah blah. Aside from using price as an indicator of quality - a2 or organic being best, but also most expensive, by general consensus - then what to pick?

      Dairy farmers skim, or shape, or new? Pauls skim, or trim? No wonder people love $2 Coles/Woolies milk. It’s cheap, and it’s simple - regular or low fat?

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      02:39pm | 18/06/12

      Ahhhh! But what about that not-so-lovely “Permeate” as reported on Ch9’s A Current Affiair a few weeks ago? Permeate they reported is a by-product made during the manufacture of Dairy Products. Ch9 named the companies using this stuff to pad out their “Milk” - Full Cream, Lite or Skim.
      Skim Milk is made entirely from Permeate. So far only 2 major Milk Processors have admitted that they are using Permeat in their own brands & in ALL of the Cheap Milk sold under All Supermarket Labels. NONE of them List Permeate as being in thier products. The Milk Processors do not want us to know. For reasons, as yet unexplained, they are not required to state on their labels that “This Product contains: Permeate.”
      Permeate costs about 18 cents per litre. Real Milk about 50cents per litre. Ch9 told us that the Supermarkets are, between them, making over $50,000 per month out of this Cheap Milk more than they would if they used Real Milk.
      Not all Milk Processors are using Permeate. Small, Independents (in SA such as BD-Paris Creek, Tweedvale, A2 & Fleurieu Milk do not use Permeate. People in other States & Territories should check with their local Milk Producers.
      Dairy Farmers Use it. National Foods, the makers of Pura Milk Products use it in all but their Pura Gold Brand Milk.
      We have a right to know what sort of garbage we are allowing our children & ourselves to drink, use in cooking.
      Of course that $1.25 a litre, $2 for 2 litres, $3 for 3 litres is cheap. It is not Pure, Unadulterated Fresh Milk. According to Ch9 that cheap milk is comprised of up to 12% Permeate. Another report said it was “up to 35% percent” And that Lovely, tasty, oh-so-good-for-us, No Fat Skim Milk is made entirely from it.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      05:13pm | 18/06/12

      in China you can buy 100 % melamine ‘milk substitute’. Marketed for school kiddies, oh mighty Chairman Mao we thank you for your Wisdom.

    • Just Sayin' says:

      02:53pm | 18/06/12

      As a kid I drank at least a litre of full fat milk a day, and got to have a McDonalds meal about once a month.  Now, with a healthy BMI of 21, I still have about two glasses of full fat milk a day and at least three serves of red meat a week. I have low blood pressure, lowish cholesterol, I go to the gym twice a week and my body fat is around 9%. So, is there really any good reason for me to switch to skim milk?

      No.

      My father grew up drinking just as much milk as me, back in the days when it had cream on top.  He also used to eat bread and dripping when he got home from school.  At 69, he has a BMI of 22. He has no problem with blood pressure of cholesterol, despite a prodigious intake of beer and cigarettes.

      Full fat milk may not be the healthiest option out there, but there is a lot of other good stuff in it.  Unless you have an actual issue with weight or heart disease, there is no way on earth you should consider cutting your milk intake or even switching to the tasteless skim milk rubbish.

      Get PERSONALISED health advice rather than latching onto ridiculous public health cure-alls.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      04:00pm | 18/06/12

      BMI is, increasingly, being regarded as extremely inaccurate for the calculations used ignore, entirley, ‘muscle’ to determine if a person is healthy, it does not take into account the composition of a person’s body or where the fat is actually held. The AIS favours the use of DEXA scans (low-energy X-rays) which ,they say, tells us how much fat & muscle a person has. The BMI guide does not. I go to the gym 3 times a week, not to sit around & chat but to do up to 2.5 hours hard work-out each time. I am always being told “put on some wieght, you are too thin” According to BMI I am, technically, overweight. According to DEXA & my Personal Trainer (don’t you love that? It sounds SO terribly, terribly snotty-nosed yuppy) I could actually do with putting on a couple of kilos!
      I agree with Just-Sayin about Public Health Cure-alls. They, like so much today,are all out of “One Size Fits All ” text-books, they are meaningless & a complete waste of time & money - usually Taxpayer’s money

    • Just Sayin' says:

      05:22pm | 18/06/12

      Good point about the BMI.  Body builders are technically obese.

    • Digital_ash says:

      07:47pm | 18/06/12

      I’m surprised there isn’t more focus on the nutritional value in supermarket $1 milk. According to a dairy farmer it’s 20% reconstituted from whey left over from cheese making (and technically still milk).

    • M. Mouse says:

      08:53pm | 18/06/12

      I’ve worked in the dairy industry and seen what they do to milk to make it “more healthy”. No way wold I drink that stuff. My preference is for what I grew up with, unpastuerised unhomogenised and untreated in any other way milk straight from a Jersey cow, but Nanny State says I can’t have that.


      The traditional Masai diet debunks all the thoeries of untreated milk being bad for you, and we can see it all for what it is…just a load of marketing bollox.

 

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