Men and women on Tiger Woods

T.Chong says:

06:36am | 14/12/09

Observations : anyone who cheats is a low life bottom feeder, as cheating involves deception,coverup,destroys trust.
The ol’ Tiges pickups, unless they were extremely thick, would know Woods was married, and now , atleast 1 is sorry to the wife-puhleese!.
The trysts were consensual.
But Marcus , you’re correct, as far as the msm is concerned:
When men are unfaithful, no excuse is acceptable.
When women have affairs, they portray themselves as victims, or self liberating. eg self indulgent crap from Sandra Tsing Loh, or Babs Walters, even a very high profile AFL wife, caught out, was able to dodge any condemnation, and became a victim.
The difference lies in the medias old fashion sexism - all women all victims all the time, all men all bad (or loosers) all the time..

Eiram says:

07:10am | 14/12/09

I don’t think it’s for any of us to judge.  You never know what goes on in people’s homes, relationships, lives, hearts, minds - that leads them to behave in various ways.  It’s never so black and white.  He needs to sort his head out and work out what he wants out of a relationship.  Or whether he even wants one at all.  It’s not a gender thing - it’s a situation both men and women, can sometimes find themselves in. Then he needs to pick up a golf club, and keep swinging.

Matt says:

07:23am | 14/12/09

Does anyone find it ironic that Gilettehave dumped sportsman Tiger for cheating on his wife, but have kept Thierry Henri who cheated in sport?

Barbara Flowers says:

07:28am | 14/12/09

Didn’t Tiger have it ‘all’ before his marriage - the fame, the money, the adoration, the drugs, the unlimited women.  I thought this was every man’s ideal life(-style).  If you have kids - be faithful to THEM.  Otherwise don’t have them, it’s not mandatory.  And nor is a wife.

Anon.... says:

07:31am | 14/12/09

Hmmm this journo is painting men as saying that it’s fun and respectable to lie and cheat on women but you’re a “liar” if you don’t admit that you look up to Tiger’s antics.

What a stupid generic argument. Men and women both cheat and lie about things all the time and both men and women get hurt by it. We are ALL human and both genders are capable and drawn to the same faults as each other.

To say that the majority of men respect liars and cheats and are lying if they say they don’t is immature and unrealistic. Australia’s media is stuck in the past. Stop reporting these gender “observations” they are a fallacy. Both men and women love a good romp but not all like it when it’s with liars and cheaters. This is the SAME for both men and women I dont care what anyone says.

Roger says:

07:33am | 14/12/09

Matt, For once I agree with you.

Tiger what a legend. Liar Liar from Melbourne, your spot on.

As if the bimbos didnt know he was married, they are just gold digging slags. It takes two to tango, but going along with it they must be stupid.

For all the women judging Tiger, did he not have these affairs with women?

I wish Tiger all the best. I dont know him nor his wife, but surely as a mate of mine said recently, couldnt he have got Steve to get him a prepaid phone.

David says:

07:35am | 14/12/09

Leave Tiger alone you hypocritical bludgers . The media as usual is making millions out of it . He is not a sporting cheat and he is a remarkable talented golfer . He is a credit to the human race .
It beats me why so many of you rush to condemn him because he has had a few stray pokes .
There are many of you who have done the same but not been found out .
F***ing Hypocrites !!!!!!!!!

~Rumpleteazer~ says:

07:42am | 14/12/09

Quite honestly, who cares? I hate cheating men, but when you are a billionaire, women [albeit, stupid ones] throw themselves at you even if you are devoid of looks and personality.
Too much has been written about this and his wife and children are going to suffer greatly at the hands of the media.
Suffer in your jocks, Woods!

Lenny J says:

07:51am | 14/12/09

None of my business.., none of anyone’s business…don’t want to hear about any of it. Tiger Woods will now face all of the consequences of a life lived as an immature, over- paid, over-sexed, wilful, irresponsible baby- boy teenager masquerading as a man. Oh, a great golfer too, but it is just a game right? He is not a God, clearly.

My reaction and advice if I was tortured to give it?

To Elin, take the kids , take half of his money and run as far away from him as possible and start your life again with a real man.

To Tiger? Face up to it as a man and take your lumps. Good luck. Let the poor woman go and find a husband who respects her. He won’t change.

Better yet, I don’t want to hear or see any more about it. It is not news.

The Dude says:

07:52am | 14/12/09

You can’t expect a man of his stature to be faithful. Especially as the years tick by and he is away from home.

Maybe if Elin (a so-called model but working as an au pair when they met) wasn’t batting out of her league (no woman is in the league of a millionaire, let alone a billionaire) then this wouldn’t be an issue.

It’s a shame that getting married and having a family is rammed down our throats as if it is a compulsory life event that we all must undertake. Then Tiger would not have made this mistake.

I wonder if this is news in France. French women expect their husbands to take a mistress or three. Mitterand’s wife and mistress were at his funeral and there was no scandal. It was normal.

Fazal says:

08:23am | 14/12/09

1)  If his sponsor, Gatorade, pulls out - They are crazy! What a testament to stamina and its power.
2) Affairs with 10+ women, championship-winning golfer, operating a business empire and being married - This guy needs a medal!
3) Lastly, all these women knew he was married so they got upset about the other ‘other’ woman?

Peter Thornton says:

08:29am | 14/12/09

In part I agree with what The Dude wrote above. The whole getting married/breeding thing has always been most unattractive to me, although I must confess to only ever fulfilling the first half of this naff socially motivated obligation.

To my taste Elin is a total babe who I’m sure hasn’t been or won’t be short of offers. Were it feasible, i’d be throwing my hat in the ring. Not for marriage; for a bit of the other.

Tiger is the man! says:

09:05am | 14/12/09

GO TIGER!! REOW!!!

Jo says:

09:19am | 14/12/09

The ‘gender divide’ angle is boring. It’s arguments like this that continue to reinforce the truisms of the gap between men and women’s values. Every individual has a different opinion on this and it’s pointless to group them like you’ve done here Marcus.

Shama says:

09:27am | 14/12/09

If any one is defending Woods, it’s a bit strange.

Few people have problems with a single man/woman who is sleeping around with willing partners. It’s your life do as you please. Clooney for e.g. is not spinning out some story of being the image of bourgeois respectability. 

But if you are married, you have another person to consider.  Sure there are married men who sleep around. But you can’t be called on to endorse their actions.  Society requires you to marry and breed and it opens many doors for you as Tiger’s endorsements show.  The problem really is when you display a facade of respectability - which even in our age is necessary - and reap its rewards but have a private life that is singularly opposite.  Sure your private life is no one else’s business but if your public life is based on spinning out a lie about your private life then you are in trouble.  I don’t see how a majority of men can defend this unless hypocisy appeals deeply to them. 

Also it is pretty sad if these days the definition of masculinity is not having a code of honour but simply a return to caveman by screwing as many women as you can.

Kel says:

09:33am | 14/12/09

If he wanted to play the field, good luck to him. But WHY get married? I just don’t understand that. He chose to get married. No one forced him. It’s just ridiculous.
I’m sick of this gender divide/outdated stereotypes as well. You can’t tell me married men out there would think favourably of a married woman doing what Tiger has done??????
Unless you like being cheated on yourself, enough with the ‘hero’ crap.

Emma says:

09:43am | 14/12/09

What bothers me the most is how judgemental, bitter and nasty some of the comments are - for god’s sake, why put so much energy into this?  The guy messed up big time, there’s no doubt about it, but is there any reason to villify ‘single girls’ and ‘married men’ like they’re one group of people?  Is there any reason to make sweeping statements like how smug Elin looks etc?

:/

6c legs says:

09:51am | 14/12/09

Meh. last I looked Tiger is male, add in filthy rich and away from home on ‘business’ - it would be more surprising to me if he Didn’t have his ‘hangers on’.
Men really do nothing to help their sterotype, do they.

Wonder how his clay feet will affect his gold swing? -Moron.

Phil says:

09:59am | 14/12/09

Maybe Elin was like most wives I know and doesnt like their husbands playing golf!

Who gives a crap about this. He got caught, so what. Is he the first person to be unfaithful. NO HE ISNT.

Women are obsessed with celebrities.

These women knew he was married. Not many in the developed world would not have known Tiger was married.

He is now trying to make it up to his wife, so leave him alone.

Smidgeling says:

10:04am | 14/12/09

For the mistresses-They ALL knew he was married so they should STFU. They’re just annoyed they weren’t the ONLY other woman and no they want to profit from it.

For Tiger- Yeah, cheating makes him a pretty nasty guy. But for anyone who didn’t see it coming…are you really that naive? There’s no excuse for cheating, especially with a wife that looks that good and with kids to care for.

For the blogger- Exactly. When women lie they tend to:
-Lie about it and pretend it didn’t happen so much that they begin to believe the lie.
-Justify it by saying he doesn’t treat them right and he made them do it.
This behaviour annoys me so much.

Costa says:

10:05am | 14/12/09

what’s the joke - Gilette or any other company creates image of super-sexy man and finally the advertising works great, all that woman has just influence of this)) what’s the reason to dump perfectly working matter?
family values are just his own, public image works just brilliant)

thought says:

10:12am | 14/12/09

I think it’s in most women’s best interests not to get married.

Oldie says:

10:18am | 14/12/09

What’s a “low handy cap”...have I missed a fashion statement? Boys will be boys and girls will be girlsDon’t know why everyone’s so outraged our society has been set up that way.If you don’t like it change it!

Hannielees says:

10:37am | 14/12/09

I once asked a serial cheater why he bothered getting married.  I’ve never forgotten his response, so typical of egomaniacal cheaters.  “To be loved and to have an heir”.

That’s why Tiger Woods married.

Max says:

11:48am | 14/12/09

What concerns me is that the email system is full of cartoons and videos advocating violence towards Tiger. When we see Tiger being hit with a golf club, the usual reaction by my work colleagues is humour. Yet, should Tiger take a club to a women, then it would be humourLESS and quite rightly so. So why do people laugh, when women thump guys with “sauce pans” or wacked them across their face.  Violence is violence !

moni says:

12:13pm | 14/12/09

I agrre with Hannieless.  There are still men out there who love and respect their wives and have remained faithful.  Realistically, there are more men in society who should NEVER have been married.  Unfortunately, many men want to have the wife and kids and give society the perception that they are wonderfuly family men, while cheating on the side.  Don’t get married if you want to sleep around, it hurts too many people when it finally gets out.  Narcisstic behaviour should not be rewarded with a good home life and stability from a faithful partner.

lovepotion8 says:

12:16pm | 14/12/09

Generally most of the men who are rich will cheat. It has been proven in history that sex sells. Women too are themselves to be blame too. Even though they know the men is married, they still go after the man. Well at the end of the day we are all humans with wants and needs.

Dan says:

12:19pm | 14/12/09

Hannielees, you don’t know why Tiger Woods got married, as you don’t know him. None of us do. This whole “Tiger’‘s a pretty nasty guy”, “I have no pity for him. Good on his wife. More power to women.””, “Serves him right….. I am glad the sponsors are dropping him. I feel sorry for his wife” “anyone who cheats is a low life bottom feeder” “To Elin, take the kids , take half of his money and run as far away from him as possible and start your life again with a real man. To Tiger? Face up to it as a man and take your lumps. Good luck. Let the poor woman go and find a husband who respects her. He won’t change” really annoys me as nobody here knows him, it’s his private life and nobody have any right to judge him. Just as he doesn’t have a right to judge us, simply because he is famous does not make his private life any less private. He did not break the law, morality is subjective, and I just don’t think it’s anyone’s business.

  Shama @  10:27am- “If any one is defending Woods, it’s a bit strange.” Why? I would defend his right to privacy. Why is that strange?

” But if you are married, you have another person to consider.  Sure there are married men who sleep around. But you can’t be called on to endorse their actions.  Society requires you to marry and breed and it opens many doors for you as Tiger’s endorsements show.  The problem really is when you display a facade of respectability - which even in our age is necessary - and reap its rewards but have a private life that is singularly opposite.  Sure your private life is no one else’s business but if your public life is based on spinning out a lie about your private life then you are in trouble.  I don’t see how a majority of men can defend this unless hypocisy appeals deeply to them.” Oh, please. It’s not about how hyppocricy appeals to us, it’s about how there is NO hyppocricy. His endorsments are based on his being the greatest golfer of all time. That’s it. None of the ads are about his values or persona; they are about his game. This idea that his public life “is based on spinning out a lie about his private life” is clearly not true, if you have a look at any of his ads. No, I don’t think there is any hyppocricy, and I think his private life is just that.

kelly says:

12:20pm | 14/12/09

Fantastic post Moni. Well said.

Oh Captin My Captin says:

12:25pm | 14/12/09

So Tiger played around, a lot.  Good on him if that is what he wanted.  Young, successful, mega rich, good looking and allegedly a taste for things tapping on the kinky side.  What a life style so why get married?  Why do you have to bring kids into it and a wife?  In some ways for all his success it just goes to show how gutless & selfish he is.  He couldn’t just except his own truth and enjoy it.  I would think that a large proportion of people & his fans would not have thought any less of him if he had just been a man about the world with different girl on his arm as his mood and location took.  Many a man would have considered that legendary and many women would have just thought, well probably not much actually.  This is the 21st century.  It’s ok to be a playboy.

And as for the women, well they knew who he was, they knew for the last six odd years at least that he had a fiancée / wife and then kids.  They went there of their own volition.  They are the ones that sort some form of self validation in sleeping in with him, decided they wanted that notch on their bed posts.  Again, good on them, if he hadn’t been married.  Who really would have cared, who would have blamed them or thought any less of them but they played in the waters of arrogance and deceit themselves.  So perhaps for the first time since their first ‘meeting” with Tiger they should consider the wife and kids in this mess, suck it up and keep their selfish mouths shut and spend that time taking along hard look at themselves instead.  Just like Tiger is now going to have to do.

Average Bloke says:

12:37pm | 14/12/09

To “T Chong”  your statement is brilliant! Was writing a reply and then read your reply…then I deleted mine and am about to print yours out and stick on my office wall. Well said mate!

Shama says:

12:48pm | 14/12/09

Dan please spare me the right to privacy. Careers are built on public personas and then they cry foul when it doesn’t suit them.  Yet to see a sportsman who is so all about the game that that is all he does instead of spruiking products. Or maintaining websites where they claim to be family men.  The family life is very public-here’s the sweet wife, here are the adorable kids,  but the rest not much.

Yeah the ads are for his golfing abilities alone. That’s why his sponsors are all jittery now - of course they will throw in the furphy that we and Tiger are taking a break.  But not to worry, as long as there are enough suckers wanting to buy products endorsed by sportsmen, in six months time the reformed rake Tiger will be spruiking the same old stuff again.

KW says:

12:48pm | 14/12/09

‘the Dude’ kinda sounds as though he’s in love with tiger.
Maybe you should sell your story? You seem more money hungry than anyone else if you think he’s out of everyone’s league because of his earnings…

The truth hurts says:

12:51pm | 14/12/09

If the reactions of most women are anything to go by on this site, is it any wonder he cheated on her?

what a laugh says:

12:51pm | 14/12/09

Please ‘T. Chong’
If a famous married woman had as many affairs & sleazy hookups as Tiger, they would be called every name under the sun, vilified from men & women alike, and there would probably be no doubt about whether their partner ‘‘should stay with them’
what world are you living in??? I’d love to visit it.

hoofman says:

12:52pm | 14/12/09

Marital fidelity is an expectation that many cannot meet. It’s human to stray. People talk as though marital fidelity is a natural state. It’s not. Few people these days marry for life and most take more than one partner. In at least 50% of cases some marital infidelity is involved.

Vilfiication of marital cheats does no good.  It’s as though people who post comments condemning Tiger Woods are railing against the whole world of adultery in the subliminal hope that this will make it less likely that their own partner will shag somebody else. Grow up and look after yourselves and your own relationships first and only.  Don’t moralise about he marital behaviour of people you don’t know and will never meet.

cats says:

12:52pm | 14/12/09

I’m pretty amazed at how little people who comment here understand about human evolution and biology. I have no doubt that humans are naturally monogamous. The hurt, anger and pain that comes with cheating is just one part of the proof. The reason people cheat is that they are either affected by the media who keep throwing sex in their faces and telling men that its good to cause your wife an incredible amount of heartache, or they are not getting any love and comfort out of their own relationship. Any suggestion that men WANT to have a wife and family, then have bimbos hanging off their arms and being happy about causing pain to their partner is natural.. is a complete lie fabricated by companies who target stupid people with no brains (a lot of people who comment here), and who will financially benefit from this ideology.

I firmly believe that the majority of men and the majority of women would rather not inflict the pain on their partner by cheating with someone else. The guys who idolise Tiger for doing this are basically gullible sheep who are too weak minded to critically analyse things they have been told to do. In short, they are stupid and unintelligent people.

Ronald says:

12:53pm | 14/12/09

The fact is little ‘oh im so sweet’ Elin probably played around for years on end during her youngers years sleeping around etc while she was young and had good looks. Young attractive women do that in their younger years and then settle down with a rich guy and expect the guy to not have his fair share of fun? Get real. Men attract women at a later stage in life so let them do it. If women want men to stop cheating then they need to walk the talk and stop prancing around in mini-skirts teasing men 24/7 and not putting out etc during their younger years. Pretty simple if you ask me. If not then its fair play for all involved.

bullwinkle says:

12:57pm | 14/12/09

As a man coming up twenty years married and who has never strayed, I find the whole thing both disappointing and tacky. My wife and family are everything to me. Infidelity to me shows a weakness of character. Sure, if the marriage is not working, get out or fix it. But why put up this charade of happy families when you are out hitting on every female with a pulse. it makes a mockery of the institution of marriage. (The merits of that institution are not on debate here.)

Personally, I have lost all respect for Tiger Woods. He can never redeem himself in my eyes. That won’t worry him at all, but I do think a lot of self-respecting family men are terribly disappointed in his actions.

Dan says:

01:00pm | 14/12/09

Except Shama, his career is built on his being a champion golfer. As for endorsements, champion sportsmen endorse products. That doesn’t mean that they have to be saints. They can also run websites, but they don’t have to be saints. Tiger has never claimed to be husband of the year. Just because some people want to see that in him is not his problem. As for the sponsors getting jittery, it’s not because they disaprove of what he did; it’s because they know that some of their customers do. But that still doesn’t make it anyone else’s business but his. Nike BTW is sticking by him. Considering the amount of money he makes for them, it’s not much of a surprise. Companies sticking by him or not has nothing to do with morality, which BTW is subjective.

I will say this though. Even if it is other people’s business, nobody, least of all you, have the right to judge him.

Shama says:

01:04pm | 14/12/09

T Chong, when Mark Sanford cheated he had some sympathy - and a lot of it was from women. And lots of women had little sympathy for Tsing Loh.  It’s all pretty situational and it does not help if the numbers keep racking up and most fit a stereotype as with Woods.

KW thanks for bringing a smile.  The Dude: Woods wife doesn’t exactly come from a humble background.

stephen says:

01:07pm | 14/12/09

All comentaters were saying how boring Tige is. He’s gone up 300 per cent in my estimation.

Shama says:

01:25pm | 14/12/09

Dan, why are you running around vigorously defending Woods and his sponsors - who I presume you do not know - in some random comments section to an article that is directly about Woods personal life which will be buried in tomorrow’s posts? Just go off and watch his golf and discuss its merits or otherwise and let us lesser mortals gossip and judge and berate.  Seems to me that you are pretty judgemental about us.  Passing judgement on the personal lives of people based on one’s own moral code is as much part of human nature as infidelity. 

If it was a woman, I am sure your reaction would be different.

Also seems to me that Nike has much invested and little choice but to stick it out and lump all the jokes on Just Do It.

Bullwinkle, your post is appreciated.

Cuppa says:

01:33pm | 14/12/09

T. Chong, your comment at the top was spot on.I would say you speak for a great many people.love your work.

Killer Bees says:

01:47pm | 14/12/09

I’m tired of hearing about the very private life of this man.  Can we please go onto something more interesting?  His infidelities are only of concern to his wife.  The rest of us have no business pushing our moral code onto someone else.  Who really knows what goes on between a married couple?

Pedro says:

01:54pm | 14/12/09

Sympathies to his wife, just wondering though how much she knew prior to the car accident.  To be able to keep 12 women a secret, especially from his wife, is a remarkable feat.

As for being angry, to either Tiger Woods or the 12 mistresses, I don’t fee angry at all.  His wife is really the only one with the right to be angry, everyone following the story, namely “Us the viewing public”, have no rights whatsoever, it’s none of our business.

So what if he’s a high profile sportsman, whoopty doo, mind your own business and, really, keep your opinions to yourself because they’re meaningless.  If you really can’t keep your opinion about this to yourself then how about keeping it in perspective, those 12 mistresses aren’t exactly angels now are they.  For any of them to suggest they didn’t know he had a wife and kids, please, come on, pull the other one.

I’m sure that all of them are going to be making a bob or two selling their lurid accounts of their trysts with him.

Lets just suffice to say that there are no innocents, except for his kids, in this whole sordid mess.

But, irregardless of how public this is, both he and his wife are entitled to privacy.

You have to conclude that he’s an idiot for what he’s done, but he’s still the best golfer in the world.

Dan says:

02:10pm | 14/12/09

Shama; “Dan, why are you running around vigorously defending Woods and his sponsors - who I presume you do not know - in some random comments section to an article that is directly about Woods personal life which will be buried in tomorrow’s posts? Just go off and watch his golf and discuss its merits or otherwise and let us lesser mortals gossip and judge and berate.” So the only people who can comment here are those who are judgemental of Woods? Right. Shama, it doesn’t work that way. ANYONE can post.

“Seems to me that you are pretty judgemental about us.” So, you’re judgemental of Woods yet you don’t want to be judged? How hyppocritical. Sorry, Shama, but if you are going to judge someone you don’t even know, other people have every right to judge you. 

“Passing judgement on the personal lives of people based on one’s own moral code is as much part of human nature as infidelity.” So what? What’s your point? You are judging someone you have never met and will never meet, someone who does not answer to your personal moral code. It may be part of human nature to judge, but it doesn’t make it right.

“If it was a woman, I am sure your reaction would be different.” Actually it wouldn’t be. This isn’t a gender thing; contrary to what you might think, this does not run along gender lines. This runs along individual lines; individuals, whether they are male or female, have different views. Plus, don’t forget, I never expressed an opinion on whether I approve of what Tiger did, I simply said that it’s not any of your places to judge him.

Furthermore, your view that if I was a woman, my view would be different, is offensive as it presumes that women (and men) all think alike. It’s also complete nonsence.

“Also seems to me that Nike has much invested and little choice but to stick it out and lump all the jokes.” As they should IMO.

leo says:

02:14pm | 14/12/09

Just proves that he earned his stripes, or else he cant be a tiger for nothing.
Tiger, you’re the Man.

mick says:

02:20pm | 14/12/09

I’m going to start using Shick razors

Shama says:

02:37pm | 14/12/09

“So, you’re judgemental of Woods yet you don’t want to be judged? How hyppocritical.”

That was my point - I was merely pointing out the inconsistency of your position - that you are dumping on people here for dumping on Woods and therefore making a value judgement.  Otherwise I don’t care - judge away all you like and keep reproducing my text.

MK says:

02:37pm | 14/12/09

Matt, Thierry Henry cheats in more than football. One of the main reasons he left Arsenal and joined Barca was because his wife found out he had been shagging around in London. They got divorced shortly afterwards.

Roger Federer’s wife is nothing to write home about, could we see the Gillette trifecta?

Far Canal says:

02:38pm | 14/12/09

Care factor 0%, he’s still the best in the world at his chosen profession. what happens in his personal life is his business

GET YOUR HAND OFF IT! says:

02:52pm | 14/12/09

WELL, well, well Tiger has been caught out!

It is such a shame, you’re had your hand on the wrong stick…..

Chris says:

03:00pm | 14/12/09

Men are biologically geared to spread their sperm as far and wide as possible.  They fight this impulse because women like to lock them into lifelong relationships.  Women, on the other hand tend to measure their worth by their youth and physical beauty.  Two assets that diminish throughout their lives.  Is it any wonder that they feel a need to lock a man into a lifelong commitment?  Any woman with any self esteem would not care who he slept with.  And any woman who truly loved him (as opposed to loving his money) would wish him happiness.  Fail Elin.  On all counts.

Brett says:

03:05pm | 14/12/09

If anyone thinks his wife wasnt going to leave him in the near future and take a hundred million anyway, theyre delusional, she didnt marry him cos of his looks or his personality, she married him cos he was Tiger Woods and she wanted a global profile, if he was hanging out the drive thru window at McDonalds handing out burgers and he asked for her number she wouldve laughed at him, she was a second rate model at best, now shes famous, she played the game just like he did.

yawn says:

03:13pm | 14/12/09

@ Chris: WHAT a catch you sound like! (insert sarcasm here)
Loser.
Cheating is cheating, regardless of gender. Funny, my male friends who have been cheated on, don’t see it as being such a harmless thing….

Thank god for men like Bullwinkle, or no woman would wan to be married.

Shane From Melbourne says:

03:28pm | 14/12/09

Look, I don’t give a stuff about his personal life, it was his lack of co-operation and stone walling of law enforcement authorities after the crash that pissed me off. Just because you’re rich and famous doesn’t give you the right to blow off the police interviewers.

franko says:

03:36pm | 14/12/09

Breaking News: Gillette, TAG drop sponsorship while Unilever announces Woods as new face of “The Lynx Effect”

AJ says:

03:45pm | 14/12/09

All I will say is that Tiger Woods’ sex life shouldn’t be news.  Not because celebrities have a right to privacy, but because, well, it’s boring and there’s more important things in life than an unfaithful golfer.

Kika says:

04:15pm | 14/12/09

CHRIS - Yeah maybe guys destined to be losers like Tiger will secretly cheer him on. What’s to envy? He’s set to lose a substantial stake in his fortunes and worth because of this, he’s lost his credibility as being Mr Perfect and he will lose his kids and wife. So if you want to go ahead and want a life like this - TAKE IT!

And let’s also face facts - none of these women would have acted up with him if it weren’t for the cash. If he was just some bum working a 9-5 job you can’t tell me he would have this kind of stuff happening. DONT FORGET Chris women are hard wired to find the best possible man for them and their kids - the one with the loot.

Mags says:

04:22pm | 14/12/09

What guy would want to find out he’s stuck by what he thought their marriage rules are only to find his wife has been catting around behind his back?  If you want to be able to have sex with whoever takes your fancy, why not be upfront and marry someone who wants to live life the same way and both go for it?  That way no one gets hurt.  It’s the lying and deceit that disappoints me about Tiger - he’s a different person to the highly principled person he has kept telling us he is!  Chunderous.

cats says:

04:53pm | 14/12/09

RE: Chris says:04:00pm | 14/12/09
I don’t reckon even you believe what you just said. There is no evolutionary evidence to suggest that it is men’s goal to spread their sperm as far as it can get. There is however, much more evidence to suggest that humans are naturally monogamous.

“They fight this impulse because women like to lock them into lifelong relationships”
No, thats completely ridiculous. Men and women have been in long term relationships since the beginning of time. It was men who wrote most of the religious texts and the invention of marriage. Men and women need each other. If men never wanted to be in relationships with women we would be asexual and have some other way of reproducing. Men and woman are meant to work together, not against each other, as it has been since the days of homonids.

‘Women, on the other hand tend to measure their worth by their youth and physical beauty”
Only reason for this is because of the media telling us that we have to look young all the time. Strong minded women don’t fall for this shit, just like strong minded men don’t fall for the “men are meant to cheat!” bullshit.

“Any woman with any self esteem would not care who he slept with. ”
You can’t seriously believe this. Emotions play a huge part in our biology also. Being cheated on is a massive blow to the ego and causes pain for a reason. I’m sure you would care very much if your girlfriend (your obviously not married) cheated on you, no matter how much self esteem you have.

RE:Ronald says:01:53pm | 14/12/09
wtf? Just because men find women attractive to look at, that doesn’t give them an excuse to cheat. Cheating is a sign of weakness - that’s really all there is to it.

James says:

05:02pm | 14/12/09

Dont care about the gender argument. There are plenty of female sheisters too (just ask my last wife). BUT Im really looking forward to seeing the new bad boy of golf in all his rock star splendour

Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

05:03pm | 14/12/09

Sport and Women are a Bore, men on the other hand…....

Thank God I live in Darlinghurst !!!!!

grrrrrrrr Tiger indeed.

David says:

05:08pm | 14/12/09

I strongly suspect that Tiger married to improve his image, his sponsorship deals and earning power. Tiger was cheating shortly after he got married and his wife was a trophy wife.
Tiger shows by his behaviour that he only cares about Tiger and his image.
I doubt Tiger has the character or guts to face up to the questions in public about his private life indiscretions. Which is why he is taking an indefinite break so he can hide out on his yacht (named Privacy).
I would not be surprised that his management, mother and even his wife knew about some of his affairs. They were all on the gravy train.
But as far as his wife was concerned the last girl was probably the last straw that broke the camels back.

real woman says:

05:14pm | 14/12/09

to all the men that wish they were tiger woods - does that also include losing your wife and children to the drama .... just to have a bit on the side .... cheating is for those who don’t have any honour .... and are weak willed and not worth a second glance from a real woman…..

Mike says:

05:32pm | 14/12/09

i for one say get over it. He’s an excellent golfer, just a shit husband. Theres plenty of other women and men out there like this as well, Its not like the human race has just been introduced to adultry…

go back to work lulz

Bailsworth says:

05:54pm | 14/12/09

I love golf, and from a sporting perspective, admire what those who have chosen to make this sport their profession can do on a golf course (especially Tiger).  I find myself torn at this juction, granted, as far as his family goes what he did wasn’t living up to the promises he made, but these promises weren’t to us, so why the hell is everyone getting so offended by his actions.  Personally i don’t care what any sports person gets up to off the field, as that is their time and their business.
As a sports fan, i really hope that he does come back, but if all of the trash tabloids don’t let this story go, then i’m afraid that we may have lost one of the greatest sports people we have ever had.
Can we all please get over this, and focus on something of real importance, like the truly scary fact that we could have an extreme right wing Prime Minister… man that would be bad.

Daniel says:

06:46pm | 14/12/09

Cats: Brilliant.  There are sheeple around, but they haven’t taken over yet.

Dan says:

08:29pm | 14/12/09

Shama: I may be ‘dumping on’ people here for judging Woods, for which I make no apologies, but I’m not exactly judging people. At least not in the way you’re judging Woods. So to call it inconsistent is a bit of a stretch. If you think I was judging you or even ‘dumping on’ you, you must have a pretty thin skin. Nonetheless, why should I be tolerant of those who are intolerant?

Oh, and in regards to ‘reproducing your text’, that is what happens when someone quotes someone. If you don’t like it, maybe don’t post.

Wendy says:

08:46pm | 14/12/09

Tiger is an awesome golfer….end of story

Dan says:

09:01pm | 14/12/09

Tiger Woods is an excellent golfer. Tiger Woods never claimed to be Jesus Christ. Why are his sponsors dumping him? I would love to see at least 1 sponsor sticking by him and saying we sponsor Tiger because of his golf abilities and not his morals. The guy loves sex (nothing wrong with that), maybe his wife was not always there for him. He spends long periods of time away from her, and yes, maybe splitting is the best option in this situation. Trust me, the wife and kids will be fine, and they will have enough money and will never need to work if they don’t have to, and they will not be the first kids to grow up without the dad around. I say Tiger let Elin go, don’t get married again, and get back on the golf course, people will forget about this whole thing soon, and as long as he continues to play well, I will keep watching.

Deconstruction says:

09:43pm | 14/12/09

Marcus Kuczynski, I think this is a poor journalism, why?  It is a fallacy of argumentation using hasty generalizations.  Your conclusions based on a few comments taken from “news websites” are not sufficient to back up your claim of “men want to be him, women want to beat the daylights out of him.”

kingsley says:

06:04am | 15/12/09

I asss to David’s comments

Tiger has most of his life built up by investors and sponsors. He has not had the benefit of a normal childhood nor normal group of friends ( just golf professionals and lawyers and managers with their own interests). He has probably be serviced and entertained with female company for many years without the benefit of going through a series of relationships to develop his emotional and partnering skills

Was his marriage normal or was it made up as plastic ?

How was he unfaithful ? Physically yes but did he give his heart away to another woman ? Emotionally maybe no ....  How can one be unfaithtful with that many ladies ?

Let the Tiger develop his real natural values and be true to himself and not the sponsored values ... Let Tiger develop a real relationship.

What does Tiger really want ...that is the question

Lots of future golf majors ?
Open marriage ?  No marriage ?
Hang onto his money ?
Either Nike goes into the sex industry or Tiger finds new sponsors that are true to his values ?

tom says:

07:20am | 15/12/09

He has to decide what his priorities are.  One can’t be true to marriage vows and cheat (lots of cheating).  Morally he is deficient. If I was a sponsor I wouldn’t want to be associated with him.

greg says:

07:48am | 15/12/09

Oh yeah! Sure! Women want to beat the heck out of him?  Yeah throw a young fit man, a world champion, a billionaire , now somewhat tarnished, in front of most young, nubile, go getting women and they would be all over him trying to get his attention. What they say and what they do could be two different things!

THE FAN says:

07:52am | 15/12/09

When two people get married they are commited to each other. Tiger should ask hisself -WHY DID I GET MARRIED- . Some people see Tiger as a cheater.Some people see Tiger as a man that has a weakness for beautiful women.What is ironic is that Hugh Hefner is surrounded by beautiful women and is not viewed as a cheater.Tiger should address his weakness for beautiful women. He’s still young and there are going to be more offers from more beautiful women. He should be thankful he discovered this problem while he’s still young.His situation is different from other people’s cheating situation,because it was with multiple women.THEREFOR he should’ve known what he wanted in a partner BEFORE he got married.Either the offers from other women were too overwhelming OR he has no control over his weakness and need to get help with his problem. IN PERSPECTIVE:The guy likes a certain flavor but likes to taste other brands of that flavor.

Rosey says:

08:11am | 15/12/09

All this report does is wrongly stereotype men as philanderers while furthering tha myth that ‘wonderful women’ do not cheat.  It takes two to tango and hta bout the BBC survey where 64% of women in serious relationships admit cheating.  Besides, where do all of those children who do not look like dad come from?

Tom says:

08:12am | 15/12/09

No big deal, everyone cheated on everyone at some stage in their life, so Tiger is no different. This is happening all over the world. Tiger is a healthy, fit, normal human being , so what is wrong.It is biological.There is no such thing as a perfect person.Come on people wake up to reality.The only difference is Tiger is world famous and the rest is just common guy walking on the street.

Phil says:

08:23am | 15/12/09

For all the women out there, I had a discussion last night with my wife. She like most of you was down on Tiger. I said who was one of your favourite women of all time, who you admired above all.

Princess Diana she said. But Princess Diana was involved in many affairs, slept with quite a few men, hey Harry looks like one of her lovers. She made excuses, just like many men do.

But when its a woman involved in the infidelity, you all seem to think its ok. What about Brangalina.

Many women tend to go off sex after marriage and kids. They also use it to get what they want, and hold men to randsom.  It has been well documented that Tiger was highly sexed before they met, if she did not live up to his standards, then it is no wonder he strayed.

THE FAN says:

08:25am | 15/12/09

Tiger was watching TV and ask hisself -should I sleep around and a NIKE commercial came on and said JUST DO IT!!!!!!

Lee says:

09:01am | 15/12/09

Cheating is cheating no matter who does it. It’s not cool and not acceptable.

And Phil @9.23am Are you saying women weren’t involved in Tigers infidelity?? Did he sleep with men? Cause the pics I saw weren’t of men.

Denise Webber says:

09:32am | 15/12/09

I find it very ironic that not less than two months ago the paper was awash with stories about Don Draper, the character from Mad Men was voted the ideal man by both Men and Women, and from what I can gather he was a serial philanderer, with a wife and child, and yet he was someone to be emulated.

So now we have Tiger, a child prodigy who was kept under a very tight rein by his late Father, didn’t get a chance to do most of the stuff a normal Teenager growing up does, it was always about THE GAME.

His Father dies and gee look, Tiger goes OFF the rails, personally I think there’s a fair bit of grief and anger mixed up in the way Tiger has acted since the death of his Father, and I hope he’s getting some counselling.

I have nothing but contempt for the women who chase after married men and then parade themselves in the media, you’ve already proven yourselves to be whores, now you’re just negotiating the price. I hope you can live with yourselves after this.

Cheating, even serial cheating does not have to mean the end of the marriage, marriage is not easy, it’s meant to be hard, you try and work at it, and then and only then do you decide if it’s over, and having to do so with the glare of the worlds media focused on you is not something I would wish on anyone.

Andrew says:

10:05am | 15/12/09

Max (12:48) - good point, and one totally missed. Tiger was reportedly “lapsing in an out of consciousness” while his wife brandished a golf club. He hit the tree at 10km/h - I’ve hit stuff at 40km without being knocked out. I conclude that his wife bashed him half to death with a golf club.

To domestic violence, Australia says “No.” If his wife had been unfaithful and he had clubbed her, 100% of people (men and women) would condemn him and say infidelity is never an excuse. Where’s the condemnation of “poor Elin:”?

If I was Tiger, I would issue the following ultimatum: “Forgive me and stay with me and I’ll forgive you. Divorce me, and you’re looking at attempted murder and TOTAL forfeiture of your entitlement under the pre-nup while you serve 8 to 12.”

jack says:

10:35am | 15/12/09

sounds like a lot of angry and bitter women in here making comments about people they don’t know.

i agree with andrew above… double standards must be ignored when women are victimised!

Pamela says:

10:48am | 15/12/09

How each individual feels about and reacts to Tiger Woods’ behaviour says more about the individual than it goes about Tiger Woods.

Jen says:

11:59am | 15/12/09

It is the unprotected sex with someone and then with his wife, putting her at risk of STD’d etc.  That Tigers actions have consequences that may not be able to be reversed are unjustifiable.

Pablo says:

12:19pm | 15/12/09

Why we allow ourselves the luxury of judgement on his private life is beyond my understanding, I certainly wouldn’t make public comment of such behaiviour, if, for instance, the subject was my next door neighbour, or the 847th ranked golfer in the world, theres no question I would shrugg my shoulders and think “who cares”. I have to agree with Pamela, This says a lot more about us us a society of busybodies than it does about him..

Peter B says:

01:06pm | 15/12/09

What the… I’m male and I don’t admire his infidelities at all.

Jules says:

02:54pm | 15/12/09

Seriously I have to wonder about the mentality of some of the “men” who are commenting in support of Tiger Woods cheating on his wife and hurting his own kids in the process. I feel very sorry for your wives/girlfriends (if any of you actually have any)

Ricky says:

02:55pm | 15/12/09

There are a lot of bitter & self righteous women on here making some pretty generalising comments about men & cheating.Sorry to be the one to tell you ladies, but women cheat just as much as men(go to any nightclub on a saturday night & you will verify this) but when caught they always seem to be ‘victims’.What Tiger Woods did is discusting in my book, but what does that say about theTWELVE women(who would have known he was married with children) who were happy to sleep with him.They make me sick.Maybe get of your high horses ladies, because you are not all princesses…..

Mark says:

03:15pm | 15/12/09

Having just been on the receiving end of cheating, Tiger is a selfish, gutless a@#%hole.
If you don’t want to be married, end it, then go for it. Anything else is cowardly and wrong. Andrew, if you were on the receiving end of what this woman has been put through you may have done the same thing. Imagine staying at home, dedicated to your family, looking after your kids, while your husband is having it off with everything that moves, as all his friends( who you probably think are your friends too) are protecting him. Take it from me, it is psychologically damaging.

Traxman. says:

04:23pm | 15/12/09

Onya Tige…..
Give em hell Dude !!!

Mark says:

04:27pm | 15/12/09

I think the media needs to have a good look at itself.

What Tiger did was wrong, however how is it any different to what any other male/female do on a daily basis - but we don’t hear about that on the front page of the newspapers!

Look at Bill Clinton - the most powerful man in the world had an affair, but how did that affect his ability to run the country. IT DIDN’T. What Tiger did was wrong, but leave him and his family alone to work out their issues.

gil says:

04:48pm | 15/12/09

Mr Woods is devoid of any humanity and does not deserve forgiveness nor understanding. All the women play their role to perfection… nature has it women will pursuit wealth, power, and notoriety in who ever has it and will not see nor care for the consequences. Tiger is a person that grew to lack all the qualities that make a real man… but a talent to swing a stick has given him the opportunity to reach mans’ dream of power, wealth, pleasures…. not the role model I want my children to follow nor to watch…

robert says:

05:11pm | 15/12/09

I too have had sex with lots of people.  who cares.  Its about as significant as brushing your teeth or wiping your arse

morke says:

07:59pm | 15/12/09

If Gillette had any sense they would just redo the Tiger Woods commercials.  “Use Gillette and you too can have women flocking after you!”

Martin says:

12:11am | 16/12/09

I do not like the bloke, but hey there is a word for the wonen coming out with stories about jumping in a cot with him. Every one of them new he is married and everyone of them is an adult. They either done it for the sex or for the cash. Now they are all talking about it for the CASH.

Neil says:

09:14am | 16/12/09

It is sad to see that people and media have more to comment on Tiger Woods than ever before. Sure enough he is one of the Best Sportsman we have seen and the Richest.
Tiger is called many things in so many ways. But ever wondered why he would have done something like that. These issues take place in day to day life a lot. Sadly when it happens to a Celebrity, everyone gets hyped up to the extent they are happy to comment on it. Happiness is not measured with what you do or say to a person just to feel good about yourself.
I should know this being a Son of a Celebrity. We just need to calm down and give hope, to Tiger and his family to overcome this situation rather than adding more to it.
As some have commented, we just need to back down. I know the Women who Slept with Him would have Enjoyed every moment of it. Now everyone around him wants to get a Piece of Tiger Woods.
Give this man a break. He did not Kill anyone. I wish Tiger and his family all the best.

fitter says:

09:28am | 16/12/09

I dont condone the tiger’s actions in any way. However, How is it fair that he has basically been buried by the media, and the bimbos he slept with have gone on TV, sold their stories, cried, acted heartbroken, spoken of their sorrow, are you serious?  it just makes me sick. Everyone on the planet knows he’s married, and so did they. Why do they have the right to portray themselves as victims, receive heaps of cash for it, and yet he is villified? Why is their no scrutiny on their lives? Lets be honest, they are tramps, and shouldn’t be rewarded financially in any way for being one, it just encourgaes more of this type of behaviour from dodgy women in general. The media have alot to answer for in this whole saga.

Ajay Aggarwal says:

09:29am | 16/12/09

I fail to understand.

The couple should be left alone and let them mend their marriage and family life all over again. It already is difficult for the couple to cope in a situation like this. The negative comments, the media exposure, etc all adds fuel to the already existing problem.

Why doesnt the world mind their own business and let the couple decide what is best for them. No wonder we see so many broken mariages these days.

Bill Woods says:

10:16am | 16/12/09

It all comes down to trust.It proves you can not trust Woman.Tiger expected trust,and all he got was these money grabbing Woman.Why couldn’t they just keep their mouths shut.History shows that is impossible for a Woman.How many Men go public about the affairs they have had with high profile Woman!!!
Very very few.He only cheeted one Woman.At least 12 have cheeted on Tiger.
Just get over it,and let the best golfer in the World do what golfers where born for.To play Golf and be left alone.I rest my case.

Nash Davies says:

10:51am | 16/12/09

I have many female AND male friends that are in agreement with the fact that we’re animals and we have instincts.  To deny these instincts isn’t natural.  I still believe in open AND honest relationships, but if your lifestyle doesn’t support monogamy, get out there and have FUN.  We live once (or so it feels) PEOPLE! I say “DO IT YOUR WAY”

Deepinabunker says:

06:07am | 17/12/09

I wonder what we would be saying if Tiger Woods’s wife had had a ‘mysterious’ car crash, suspect-looking facial injuries, and had been in a car that had had the back window smashed ‘to free her’.

Does anyone know if there has been any talk of charging her?

S.M says:

10:14am | 17/12/09

To all those men and women who say that its natural for human beings to not be monogamous you are right.  You can rarely find examples in the world of mammals and animals in general where monogamy exists.

But news flash people. Its our ability to go against what is natural that makes us human.

Its not natural work for humans to work in an office, its not natural for humans to swim in water (our natural habitat is the land) its not natural for humans to fly in objects in the sky, its not natural for humans to have the need to read or write, its not natural for humans to eat man made foods like chocolate and soft drinks and so on.

What makes humans different to other species is that we can rise up and beyond what nature intended for us. And that includes rising above the need to be promiscuous. We rose above promiscuity because we understood that a stable family creates a stable society. No excuses people!

Also just because “natural” doesn’t make it right!!! !!!

Earthquakes, tsunami’s, bushfires, diseases, tornadoes, violent storms are all “natural” but can cause such widespread loss, devastation and sadness. So does cheating on your partner.

If you can’t be faithful don’t get married. And use societal pressure as an reason for getting married. There is societal pressure for lots of things like, having a day job, to take drugs, to have the house with the picket fence and yet there are many people who don’t have these things. If you blame having to conform to the pressures of society as your reason for getting married even though you are a player you are just not brave enough to stand up for what you want.

nick says:

10:44am | 17/12/09

maybe the media should mind their own business and let this family attempt to move on! all i hear is bad mouthing of tiger, and i am sure they are bringing unwanted attention to not only tiger, but to his wife and children too! How do you think they feel after all this?

MM says:

11:20am | 17/12/09

bullwinkle: thank you for giving me some faith in the male race

Pranav Gaur says:

01:21pm | 17/12/09

This is cheating, that he has been doing, so in all those years as a sportsman ! he could not even earn some sportsmanship !

A person with such a low spirit, should not be even recognized as the greatest sportsman of the decade. It is a big mistake ! on the judges.

It’s not just about winning, it’s about what you make from your wins ! if this is what he did with the winnings ! All the pride, and money is a waste.

Steve Gigs says:

01:27pm | 17/12/09

Who cares, it’s between Tiger and his wife.  Find real news items!

Tosh says:

02:33pm | 17/12/09

I wonder if anyone has stopped to consider the man might be a sex addict? This is a real condition and a cause of a lot of misery. Maybe he needs treatment, not a public rubbishing. In any case, let those without sin first cast a stone. Doesn’t matter if it’s once or a hundred times - the quality of the misdeed is just the same.

Tony says:

03:02pm | 17/12/09

Simple really,  If I was his agent I would drop all of his current endorsements and get him to do just pornos and golf.  He would get a lot more than $1B for his troubles.  The titles you could use for the porn would count in the 100’s, like Longest Drive, Back 9, Happy Tiger, Closest To The Pin, Be The Hole, ...

Wayne says:

04:54pm | 17/12/09

I am sick to death with women always generalising that ALL men are the same. If we said that about women we would be castigated in the extreme. Anyway my opinion about Tiger Woods and his wife is that he does not realise that the greatest treasure a man can have is the love of his wife and children. It is of more value than any money. His wife is also lucky that she is leaving the drip and will get more than enough to live comfortably with the children. She deserves to win and he deserves to lose.

Wanna be Tiger says:

05:53pm | 17/12/09

We all want to be like tiger even more so with his recent antics. Men want to be like him and women want to be with him! As simple as that….why does he keep making the headlines when in reality his claim to stardom is being able to hit tiny balls into 18 holes and counting!

flowerchild says:

07:28pm | 17/12/09

I would agree with giving Tiger his privacy IF he hadn’t deliberately marketed himself to aspiring young men, especially young black men, as a role model.  If you promote yourself as a great golfer, fine; if you start to promote yourself as an example to youth, then you’d damn well better be able to walk the talk.  And Tiger cannot. No sympathy from me.  I have a lot more respect for the John Dalys of this world, who are honest about their failings, than for a phony like Tiger.

I’ve got no doubt he’ll get back on to the golf course and be the superb golfer he’s always been.  And he’ll win back sponsors and fans.  Fair enough.  I just hope he’s honest enough with himself and whoever he next partners, to admit that as a husband, he’s an absolute loser.  And for those who blame the women, all of them, I have only this to say:  he hasn’t alleged that any of them raped him.  He was the one with wife and kids.  The betrayal of trust is his and no one elses.

2 sides to every story says:

07:42pm | 17/12/09

Im interested in finding out who the person was that took the photo’s at Melbournes Crown hotel, what was their motive and what have they benefited from this story?

jed says:

11:45pm | 17/12/09

It would be interesting to see if there were a famous female to his financial callibre who fooled around on her husband with 15 other men, if she would still be seen as legendary to all the male population who seem to have this 2 thumbs up attitude towards this kind of behaviour ? or would she be deemed a filthy slut?

Luigi says:

05:38am | 18/12/09

Maybe Elin thinks just being blond and pretty is enough.

daz says:

06:36am | 18/12/09

Studies show that around 75% of married people cheat so 3 out of 4 comments on this page are hypocritical BS.  And Jed, pick any female celebrity and you’ll see your theory in practice.  How do you see female celebrities?  Paragons of virtue?