Bettina Arndt asked: “Why do men take such risks for the sake of sex?”. Novelist Philip Roth wrote: “Every mistake a man can make usually has a sexual accelerator”. What is it about men and sex?

Well, I'm sure my wife wouldn't object to testing the couch. Picture: Supplied

The problem for males begins early. When a boy reaches puberty he’s almost immediately at his sexual peak: too young an age to negotiate sexual agreements with girls his own age who are likely to reject his clumsy advances with disdain, and go off to pine romantically for older boys. So it is with a sense of rejection, inordinate levels of sexual desire and accompanying guilt that he abandons himself to the sordid adolescent world of chronic masturbation - “a world of matted handkerchiefs, crumpled Kleenex and stained pyjamas”, said the famous Alexander Portnoy.

Before the internet this activity was enhanced by the use of soiled, dog-eared copies of Playboy and, if you were lucky, Hustler magazines borrowed from friends or handed down from older siblings. If a kid had the courage to purchase his own stash he’d avoid newsagents and the contemptuous glares from the elderly female owners and visit instead a 7 Eleven in the small hours to peruse its more eclectic collection. 

The sort of struggle a man experiences persuading a woman to have sex with him continues even after he has succeeded. His sperm, those not waylaid or killed on the frenetic journey, can be seen rushing at the single egg like a line of men outside a nightclub - with as little chance of getting in.

Arndt’s new book What Men Want In Bed documents married men expressing frustration over the lack of sexual interest shown by their wives. “I’ve had enough. I’ve earned my rest” or “For goodness sake aren’t you over it?”, they are told. Unfortunately for men they don’t get over it; the throbbing desire that began at an early age and led some to pornography, prostitutes and unfaithfulness continues unabated, often wrecking otherwise happy marriages, or destroying careers. This prompted Arndt to suggest, to the horror of other feminists, that women should sometimes “just do it” with their partners even if they lacked the desire.

The delightful Stephen Fry was put on a hotplate recently for his casual comments about women’s ulterior motives for having sex. The major character of his 1994 novel Hippopotamus had already said this: “Men like sex and women don’t. It has to be recognised and faced. Women’s constant rejection of such a self-evident fact doesn’t help at all. They will claim that only the other day they saw a man whose bottom reminded them a little of Mel Gibson [I know, but the novel is 17 years old] and that they got quite juicy thinking about it. ONLY THE OTHER DAY? What about only the other MINUTE?”

Much has been said, quite rightly, about the treatment of women as sex objects.

But some pornography* has men objectifying and demeaning themselves. The male performers are presented as grey, pot-bellied torsos with wiry-haired nether regions (the more men required the less savoury their appearance). The sole female, though kneeling submissively and surrounded by a vast assortment of male genitalia, is the only person with a face and as far as we can tell the only one having any fun - beaming a smile whenever she can. 

Besides wives and pornographic actresses there are plenty of other women involved in the mundane task of satisfying men. In suburban homes ladies with rollers in their hair work the numerous phone sex lines. Seemingly indifferent to the fervent requests and heightened activity occurring at the other end, they sit back, filing their corns and whispering: “Give it to me big boy!”.

In Francois Truffaut’s Stolen Kisses young Antoine skips gleefully off to the local brothel only to be confronted with a jaded young lady who immediately tells him there will be no kissing, and orders him over to the handbasin for a rinsing of his ‘portions’. Antoine promptly leaves after spying an employee with a warmer disposition on the stairs.

Europeans - or is it just the French? - seem to accept that a loving husband has needs that can only be satisfied by a mistress or a visit to a brothel. French crime writer Georges Simenon didn’t bother to leave the house: “the need was so great that when he heard a chambermaid outside in the hallway he got up, opened the door, lifted the girl’s skirt and possessed her on the spot. She didn’t even stop what she was doing but merely said: ‘Oh Monsieur!’ “.

So, what of women’s sexuality? That complex blend of factors (love, trust, commitment, romance and hormones) that makes a woman want to have sex. The complexity though doesn’t mean it is any less absurd than its male counterpart. You want a lifetime companion you can laugh with? Marry another woman, I say! Will a box of Ferrero Rocher really do the trick - you’re kidding aren’t you?

There is women’s pornography (sorry, ‘erotica’) and Sex In The City. There are movies with the nauseating Richard Gere and Julia Roberts, Mills and Boon novels about square-jawed freaks in doctors’ coats and eighteen inch purple dildos.

Famous and successful men can set ladies’ hearts and other parts fluttering. After scoring consecutive centuries against South Africa in only his second Test, cricketer Phillip Hughes suddenly found himself being sexually accosted in nightclub toilets by Afrikaner goddesses. Now he’d be lucky to get a smile from a farmer’s daughter at the Macksville Show.

And there are some unpleasant surprises for men: while they’re laughing at the absurd sight of a topless Mitchell Johnson wearing a Santa hat their partners are privately swooning.

Gore Vidal wrote: “Sex builds no roads, writes no novels”. No, but it can drive a man insane. “A copy of Hustler please.”

* viewed for research purposes only

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    • Eric says:

      05:05am | 14/01/11

      Well said, Andrew. It’s good to see some specific issues related to men covered in The Punch.

      Too often we seem to be the invisible sex - except when it comes to criticism.

      For another view on male-female relationships, here’s a good article and comments thread about the Apex Fallacy. (http://tinyurl.com/4u8fw43)

    • acotrel says:

      06:52am | 14/01/11

      I believe most men are not aware that women are as keen on sex as thay are!

    • bec says:

      08:17am | 14/01/11

      That is correct, acotrel. We do enjoy sex - just not with pathetic ladyhaters with poor hygiene and neckbeards.

    • AdamC says:

      09:05am | 14/01/11

      Acotrel and bec, read the link, it’s quite fascinating.

      I had never heard of either of the concepts discussed. It is interesting to discover that the men’s movement has something of an intellectual base.  The apex fallacy and ‘hypergamy’ actually explain male/female relations pretty well.

    • s says:

      09:28am | 14/01/11

      I have the relationship, the trust etc etc, but more often than not he’s the one with the headache…

    • Zeta says:

      09:41am | 14/01/11

      @ bec - my neckbeard brings all the girls to the yard.

      @ AdamC - there’s an ‘intellectual base’ for holocaust denial as well. Doesn’t mean the beta males in the ‘men’s movement’ are not complete failures.

      The only movement real men need is on the john.

    • bec says:

      09:44am | 14/01/11

      If that article indicates intelligence, I am fascinated to know what you consider “has-sex-with-doorknobs” idiocy. Because honest to jesus was it dumb.

      The whole hypergamy theory might have had more credo before women made en-masse movements into higher paying professions or before a larger number of men started working in pink-collar jobs or even in the home, but I don’t know that it will remain a constancy. I look at my friends and family and see the opposite: really ambitious women who are attracted to and get on well with their boyfriends and husbands who have chosen far less ambitious or high-paying jobs and who will probably not really have much of a career trajectory. This is especially the case for those of us who grew up in wealthy families with parents in “traditional” marriages. We know that money doesn’t always equal happiness, and that some men are just plain unhappy working extremely long hours for good money.

      Apex theory might be comforting for dudes who are able to mask their unpleasant personalities with lots of money, or for the minority of women who mask their bland as hell lives with the privileges attained by being pretty. But that probably only accounts for a small minority of people of a certain social class and education level. Out here in the suburbs, you’ll find it doesn’t necessarily hold true.

    • AdamC says:

      10:34am | 14/01/11

      Bec, not every individual is going to fit into a model of behaviour; your career-oriented friends who shack up with less driven, lower earning men are more likely the exceptions that prove the rule.

      What the growth in women in the workforce has done is increase the prevalence of marrying like rather than marrying up. (In reality, this is probably what your marrying down friends are actually doing.) Female workplace particiaption has also, of course, sharpened the gradient of the pyramid as successful women find it more difficult to find suitable partners.

      The theory has more power as both a counterpoint to and explanation of mass-market feminist theory. For example, it explains why many feminists appear to believe that simply because most leaders are men, that those leaders create and support systems to benefit men as a group. Which, of course, is as bafflingly silly as it is widely believed. (It also has interesting parallels with aspects of anti-semitism, but that is beyond the scope of this comment.)

      Zeta, while I am sure you are right about holocaust denial, the issue is how compelling the base is. And simply because men’s movement members may be failures doesn’t mean they don’t have a point.

    • RT says:

      11:01am | 14/01/11

      What is a ‘neckbeard’?

    • Luce says:

      11:05am | 14/01/11

      “Too often we seem to be the invisible sex”

      Too often you are the most painful commentator on the punch.

      @acotrel, you are completely right, I think the issue is women have higher standards than men in general.

    • Brian says:

      11:14am | 14/01/11

      Wow. Just, wow… Now I really HAVE seen all the internet has to offer (actually, I know I haven’t, but some things I’d prefer not to consider existing). I think I am actually dumber from having read the linked piece of claptrap.

      It’s true that they’ve used numbers to make things seem more legitimate (hey, I can do that too, have you guys heard that almost 99% of donkeys earn less than horses? Clearly we need to set up a pro-donkey movement.), but the article is a load of rubbish. It MAY, just MAY, account for a particular personality type which could account for 10% of women, but only 1% of men, but that’s the best it can hope for.

    • Tubesteak says:

      12:36pm | 14/01/11

      Bec

      That’s because out there in the suburbs you’re finding people who are settling because they couldn’t get what they wanted.

      If you want to do an experiement take some of these guys who aren’t on good career trajectories and see how they go at picking up all the hot little princesses at The Ivy.

      I guarantee you that hypergamy is alive and well.

    • bec says:

      01:43pm | 14/01/11

      Very informative James1. This is also an excellent guide to facial hair: http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg.

      Tubesteak, perhaps it’s a different set of priorities/socioeconomic taste markers for lower and middle-middle class? What might be “hot” for upper class or a certain class of the professional wealthy might not be the same kind of “hot” as favoured in indie circles, or even the same as for the “babes and boars” piggin’ communities out at Goondiwindi. And vice versa. Though anyone who willingly goes to the Ivy deserves what they get. Sadly, my life-threatening anaphylaxis brought on by excess Ed Hardy and overpriced cocktails prevents me entering such establishments. (Our local equivalent, Cloudland, is pretty much the same: too many bitter forty-something dudes who iron the creases in the front of their Armani jeans while trying to ineptly neg you. Vom. At least my bowls club does a killer $5 roast on Tuesdays.)

    • Tubesteak says:

      02:07pm | 14/01/11

      Bec

      “Hot” is pretty much standard anywhere. It would only be a gay man that would know back the likes of Angelina Jolie or Scarlett Johansen. Either that or a man so insecure with himself that he doesn’t think he’s worthy of them.

      Everything else is settling.

    • Matt says:

      02:26pm | 14/01/11

      I think it overstates a tendency, but I think that apex / hypergamy thing has actually got a point.

      A good friend of mine, smart and good looking (was a model at one point) has been through several relationships with women who have ultimately left him because of his money and career. He is a bus driver. He has little career aspirations, but he’s happy making enough to keep going and enjoy his life. That is not enough for the high flying women, and they move on fast. High flying men, on the other hand, don’t seem to care less (as long as she’s cute!)

      If they ‘loved him’ why would they care he was a bus driver? The whole concept is a bit of a crock really. I’m a happily married guy, but I earn more than my wife. I think a lot of women want it this way.

      @ acotrel - I don’t believe that in the slightest, but I believe that most women think they are. I know they enjoy it (arguably more than a man), but they don’t think about it and crave it like a man. We are not ‘the same’.

    • Eric says:

      02:46pm | 14/01/11

      AdamC, there is a large and growing body of analysis from a men’s movement perspective. You won’t find it in universities or mainstream media, dominated as they are by feminist perspectives - but it exists on the Internet, at sites like The Spearhead.

      Feminists are of course threatened by any challenge to their hegemony of false ideas, and so they will use shaming tactics to try to prevent men from reading or writing about these things. Typical tactics include bec’s thinly-veiled sexual blackmail (if you criticise feminism you won’t get laid) and Zeta’s Godwinism (male theory is like holocaust denial). Such are the desperate length of people with no answers.

      Wil, thank you very much for your kind comment!

    • bec says:

      03:07pm | 14/01/11

      Eric, what the hell are you talking about?

      Have you ever been inside a university? They’re hardly the liberal bastions of progressiveness you can imagine. Depending on your field in the humanities, I am sure you can find plenty of people who share your personal politics and would actually foster research into men’s rights - so long as application into them was founded with good quality undergraduate education and sound research methodology. Or hell. If they wanted to, they could go to those creepy full-fee Christian universities and study.

      I don’t know if you’ve looked at any published PhD or MPhil theses (which you can do for free via Google Scholar or via many university library websites), but they will accept any old crap as the subject of study these days that studying into antifeminism might actually *not* be the most frivolous and factually dubious course of inquiry. You’re just making excuses for yourself and inventing a ridiculous victim complex.

    • James Milton says:

      03:57pm | 14/01/11

      Bec, if you think universities worldwide are not feminist-driven, you are very mistaken. Womens studies classes, scholarships for women only, womens rooms with big signs that say “men, respect our space” even though there’s more women than men.. the list is endless. Universities are bastions for extreme left wing thinking, and the whole deluded feminism is a major part of that mentality.

    • bec says:

      04:32pm | 14/01/11

      James, you’re paranoid and hysterical. Have you encountered any economics or law faculties? By and large they’re fairly conservative, or at least that’s my experience. Even in arts and humanities there are some schools that are reasonably conservative and retrograde. (As much as I try and forget the miserable little sexist weasel who took one of the creative writing subjects in first year, I still can’t. Largely because he didn’t know the difference between “subtext” and “subliminal messages”, and also because his spelling and grammar were so *creative* that going to tutorials just became pure entertainment after a bit.)

    • Who is Eric? says:

      07:43pm | 14/01/11

      Eric, do you have a partner?  Or a submissive mother? We need to know more!  And why are you up on the computer at 5:05 am? Sounds a bit apex-ual to me (nudge, nudge)

    • AdamC says:

      08:29pm | 14/01/11

      “Have you encountered any economics or law faculties? By and large they’re fairly conservative, or at least that’s my experience. Even in arts and humanities there are some schools that are reasonably conservative and retrograde.”

      Bec, you are paranoid and hysterical.

      Have you encountered any economics or law faculties? By and large they’re fairly feminist, or at least that’s my experience. Even in arts and humanities there are some schools that are socialist, progressive and atheist.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      05:14pm | 16/01/11

      True Bec, reality is that if a bloke has MONEY, it doesn’t matter what he looks like, although I’ve found being over 183cm & blue eyes helps

    • Elephant says:

      06:12pm | 17/01/11

      “Statements like “most CEOs are men” are true both in fact and in perception. (The reasons this is so are beyond the scope of this particular essay.) However, the implication of the converse that “most men are CEOs” is obviously not true to men. It does seem to be true for a lot of women, because most of the men that they can see are CEOs.”

      BAHAHAHAHAHA

      Such logic!

    • philip says:

      05:28am | 14/01/11

      so what your saying is its not our fault that our brains go on a neverending holiday to the south of the border:P hell im still getting “postcards”

    • Bec says:

      05:50am | 14/01/11

      Whenever I hear dudes complaining about women not wanting sex, I always feel they’re being slightly self-preserving. We just don’t want sex with *those* guys. That’s largely for the same reason that I never had childhood fantasies about Blackboard from ‘Mr Squiggle’: who wants to get their sexy on with a relentless whining bore with double-standards?

    • HappyCynic says:

      07:28am | 14/01/11

      LOL but Mr Squiggle and that ‘nose’ is a different story right?  smile

    • hugh says:

      08:12am | 14/01/11

      hahahahahaha

      Those guys = EVERY guy

      They just dont complain to you or any other women about it.
      I can honestly say, amongst my mates, i have never heard this phrase:
      “I’m just constantly on call… she wants it too much. I’m feeling too pressured”
      My mates and I have all had the conversation and attempted to play the same game as a women might - withhold sex from them.
      No one has actually succeeded in saying ‘no’ to their partner.
      Not one… the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak


      They say a male thinks about sex every 4 seconds.
      But thats on average.
      If we look at it properly, some blokes probably think about it every 10 - 20 seconds… and some with it constantly on our mind.

      Dont try pretend you understand the male brain… we’re more sick and perverse than you could ever know

    • bec says:

      08:14am | 14/01/11

      Actually, I think it was that guy who used to do the ABC news when I was growing up in the late eighties/early nineties. Andrew Moorcroft? Rrrrowr.

    • Steph says:

      08:19am | 14/01/11

      HappyCynic, I’m scarred for life now o.O

    • Markus says:

      08:40am | 14/01/11

      Richard Morecroft. He’s still around too, hosting Letters and Numbers on SBS.
      Of course he’s aged a little, but still as suave as ever.

    • bec says:

      08:40am | 14/01/11

      No Hugh. They don’t want sex with you and the people you associate with because you associate with people just like *you*.

      Not all dudes are relentless whining bores with double standards, or whiny dickheads who complain about never getting enough sex with their girlfriends.  You’re a game-playing loser with a homosocial friendship circle. No chick with an IQ above 110 wants to actually hit that, you know.

    • hugh says:

      09:23am | 14/01/11

      Ouch - this is the exact type of problem the author is talking about

      Men need sex. We think about it constantly.
      Yet, when that need needs to be met, women disregard it as nothing - totally misunderstanding, or underappreciative of the damage they do.
      When someone mentions how important it is to men - they give us a barrage of disparaging remarks. Tell us to grow up.

      Also - to your final comments relating to me, personally
      - I don’t understand how wanting a lot of sex creates double standards
      - Or talking about problems with your mates means you are a bunch of homosocio’s
      - Or how i’m a player in any way when i’m married with a kid - and been in this relationship for a decade
      - Or why you’ve disparaged my wife by saying her IQ must be below 110, and any other women that has taken up with either me, or anyone i’ve ever associated with

      You gonna need to take a good long look at yourself, or your ‘partner’ - because if he isnt badgering you for it he’s either
      1) gay
      2) cheating
      3) been chemically castrated
      4) suffering from porn addiction

    • Freddo says:

      09:38am | 14/01/11

      Those guys = nice guys who treat women well.
      The guys that women want to have sex with = douchebags who treat women like objects.
      Nothing like a challenge hey Bec?

    • Tim says:

      09:47am | 14/01/11

      @Hugh
      Don’t worry about Bec,
      Getting things about males completely wrong is her specialty (I think her boyfriend must be some kind of androgynous freak).
      For someone who loves talking about how intelligent she is, she really struggles with any kind of logic.

    • bec says:

      09:51am | 14/01/11

      Or he gets sex because I like him and I’m attracted to him and because we’re compatible enough to have similar sex drives? Fancy that! (Mine is slightly higher than his, but that’s neither here nor there.)

      I’m sorry if you don’t know what homosocial means, or that you seem to think that your definition of physical “need” is in any way what is medically constituted as an actual physical need. You are acting like a big entitled baby. Don’t come letting loose the dogs of bawwwwww just because you’re afraid I insulted and disrespected your wife’s intelligence: *you* do that adequately enough by not even talking to her and telling her about how your sex drives are incompatible. That, by the way, is something that people who have respect and trust in their partner’s intelligence do. And if your friends are having the same problem, then it’s because they’re the same brand of socially unintelligent chimps who believe in the whole “men are from mars, women are from venus” crap that is shovelled into our brains before we get the opportunity to think for ourselves.

    • hugh says:

      10:22am | 14/01/11

      Still, again - he’s suffering from porn addiction
      Or gay porn addiction


      Hey, lets all sound smart and use fake psychology made up words like ‘homosocial’ to try reinforce your own ideology of what men do when they have a beer and gasbag with each other

      You assume a lot - and continue to make a massive arse of yourself in the process
      You assume people don’t talk to their spouses / girlfriends - but guys always do this. People are more in touch than you know - its the reconciliation of these differences where relationships are borne and maintained


      I pray for your fiance.
      His life will be a very, very poor one if he stays with the likes of you and your beliefs on what a healthy relationship are

    • BK says:

      10:41am | 14/01/11

      Many guys would also rather have sex with way more attractive people than Bec. The difference is that we don’t allow the world’s chronic undersupply of supermodels stop us. Maybe too many women are having their self-esteem over-protected.

    • Luce says:

      11:16am | 14/01/11

      @hugh

      “Yet, when that need needs to be met, women disregard it as nothing - totally misunderstanding, or underappreciative of the damage they do.”

      The thing is the men aren’t the only people in the situation who matter. Not a lot of women take kindly to being told they have to fulfill the needs of a man when the woman’s needs are not met a lot of the time.

    • bec says:

      01:05pm | 14/01/11

      Sorry, Freddo, but I’m not into the “bad boys”. Why would I want to spend my time with immature people with poor decision making capabilities when I’m not even getting paid for it? At least children are generally fun and have an excuse for being immature.

      Hugh, why pity him? He’s getting sex whenever he wants it, unlike you. See, my way of looking at the world is awesome because I’m happy, and so is he . Your way of looking at the world sucks because you are clearly not getting what you want out of it.  (By the way, my idea of a healthy relationship is basically a lot of sex, pleasurable conversation, taking care of each other proudly without any concern for “paying it back”, and planning a future together that both of us are excited about and looking forward to. Sounds like it’s an objectively sweet deal to me.)

      You know what sucks for you, BK? I’m not very attractive. At 5 most days (6 if I wash my hair). And my life still rocks. Being ugly hasn’t stopped me from getting exactly what I want - awesome friends, a sweet job that I enjoy, a house that I love and can easily afford, and the world’s best fiance who is at least an 8 or a 9. Knowing that being unattractive makes other people annoyed because they have to look at me is really just icing. Being a 5 or a 6 hasn’t stopped my female friends getting awesome boyfriends or husbands either.

      Sure, most dudes would have sex with a supermodel. I would too, at least with the male equivalent. It doesn’t mean that the large majority aren’t going to happily have sex with someone who is fairly average looking.

    • Tickets on yourself! says:

      06:35pm | 14/01/11

      Bec, don’t go out into the wind love.

    • Warren says:

      06:33am | 14/01/11

      No doubt we will now hear from that persecuted minority, the “white Anglo-Saxon male victims club”.

      Cue Eric …

    • James says:

      06:37am | 14/01/11

      ‘he abandons himself to the sordid adolescent world of chronic masturbation…’

      Every time we speak we reveal a little about ourselves.

    • bec says:

      07:16am | 14/01/11

      Like. This guy is projecting like an IMAX cinema.

    • Zeke says:

      07:16am | 14/01/11

      So gay men should be perfect for each other!?

      Or is this the fundamental issue for gay men to deal with eg polygamy, unfaithfulness, “there’s always someone better” and open relationships?

    • Luce says:

      11:23am | 14/01/11

      Zeke, could be complex but could also be the way of the future.

      In the past when sex has died in my relationships its because I’ve lost a certain amount of emotional attraction to the person, or I just get bored. Maybe having a sneaky man on the side is just the thing to spice it up.. either that or a break up.

    • trav says:

      02:28pm | 14/01/11

      Pretty much - and I’m talking from experience here. Been in a monogamous gay relationship for 7 years now, and I can still rely on getting it whenever I want it. And I do want it. Often.

    • lexi says:

      07:31am | 14/01/11

      I will never understand why there are women who appear to be uninterested in sex, it is unfortunate for them.  Sex is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged not discouraged.

    • Luce says:

      11:24am | 14/01/11

      Here here lexi. How can someone NOT be interested in sex??

    • Eric says:

      07:36am | 14/01/11

      The male sex drive is at the heart of women’s power over men, both domestically and in the wider society. A huge portion of what motivates men is a desire to please women, in the hope that it will lead to that elusive goal of sexual contact.

      This is why, even though men may hold positions of power, they tend to exercise that power for the benefit of women. Male politicians will pass laws that discriminate against men, in order to pander to women - and knowing that the majority of males affected will be the poor and powerless ones.

      The Apex Fallacy is the feminist myth that because some men are wealthy or powerful, all men are more wealthy and powerful than women. In reality, the vast majority of men are exploited, while the alpha males see to it that benefits go to themselves and the women they desire.

    • Rose says:

      09:05am | 14/01/11

      That you actually believe that is scary Eric. Few men are exploited and fortunately fewer women are exploited nowadays. Now, about men seeing the benefits go to women, hogwash. If a man is doing something so that a woman will feel grateful enough to give him sex, he is doing whatever it is for his own benefit, any benefit to the woman is a byproduct of his desire to satisfy his own need. A small tip, if you want sex, behave like a decent human being and be nice to your partner as a matter of course, not only as foreplay.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      10:39am | 14/01/11

      *facepalm*

    • James1 says:

      10:51am | 14/01/11

      You might disagree, but why is it scary?  Eric is entitled to think what he does, and I am sure that his experiences in life make what he says true for him. 

      However, I hope that Eric is aware that it is not true of everyone - some of us actually have collaborative marriages where the man and woman do not compete for power and influence.  Furthermore, some white males (I would add Anglo-Saxon, but I am not Anglo) do not feel discriminated against by lawmakers (but then I am not poor and powerless, either).

    • Kate says:

      02:31pm | 14/01/11

      Eric isn’t aware of that James. Eric is a bitter individual who can turn any subject into “oh the white male is so downtrodden”. I’m sure he’s written a manifesto somewhere and dreams of a day he can implement revolution for the good of all (men).
      As for women’s power resides in the male sex drive, I don’t agree with that but if you do - why don’t you learn to control yourself? Monks live a celibate existence. It is possible. You won’t die.

    • Eric says:

      02:49pm | 14/01/11

      James - Rose is scared because her female privilege is threatened by men who speak the truth.

      Also, you shouldn’t assume that what I write is based on my own personal experiences. I’m talking about society in general, not myself.

      Finally, I don’t see where you get the idea that I’m saying there are no collaborative marriages? I’m not talking about marriages, but about the bases of social and personal power.

    • Chris L says:

      06:29pm | 14/01/11

      I don’t always agree with Eric, and when I do it’s usually only partially. Yet I notice he tends to hit a nerve when I read comments from women (and some men) belittling him personally rather than debating his comment.

      I have to agree (partially) with this comment from Eric. The greatest motivation for any man (to my experience) is impressing women in the hopes of sex. Women don’t seem to understand just how powerful that drive is.

      I’m quite willing to accept mood swings and irrational wants from the women I know, I realise that hormones can play havoc with one’s sense of logic. Yet many women, it sometimes seems the vast majority, don’t/won’t recognise the intense and unrelenting hormonal pressure that men experience from age 14 to 60.

    • Geman says:

      01:33am | 15/01/11

      Chris, I agree.

      But this means that women are incapable of controlling their hormones, and men should accept women for their lack of control over themselves!

      However, if the above is true then that would mean that men are also incapable of controlling their hormones. Does this mean that women should accept men for their lack of control over themselves?

      Nope…men are held to account for their hormones in Australia, but this does explain the current disparity of the quality of life between males and females within the so called evolved societies.

      The law pretty much accepts that nothing can be done about male hormonal nature, i.e. just neuter more men – the ‘trust me, it will work’ argument!

      So where does this argument come from? Men or women? My guess is both, but since males generally have a hormonal weakness to short term ‘sexual’ gratification, rather than long term social stability it maybe the gender that (and this is just a guess) has the law on their side.

    • Chris L says:

      12:22pm | 15/01/11

      Oh, I think women are capable of controlling themselves despite the hormones, Geman. Indeed I have witnessed women apologising in the midst of tears and tantrums and recognising when they are acting illogically.

      My attitude is that I can accept such behaviour when it happens and even be supportive with a hug and/or some kind words and reassurance. Yet many (maybe most) women have no patience for the overwhelming force that drives logic from the minds of men. Indeed, many seem happy to capitalise on it.

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:45am | 14/01/11

      I enjoyed this. Well done.

      However, many things in it reveal your own hang-ups.

      There is nothing wrong with masturbation or porn or prostitutes. These are hangovers from conservative times.

      If we had a more free and liberal attitude to sex and sexual desire then there wouldn’t be so many problems and broken relationships.

      Men wouldn’t act like sheeple and buy the cow because they think they’re supposed to do it. Some men are realising this and not doing so until they want to, if at all. We’re now free of the shackles of social convention and we can have sex with whoever we can convince to take off their clothes.

      BTW It’s “Sex AND The City”, not “Sex IN The City”.

    • Tim says:

      09:50am | 14/01/11

      So It’s a show about three prostitutes and their mother?

    • Nic Heath says:

      08:19am | 14/01/11

      Too many generalisations! Plenty of women love sex.

    • Chris L says:

      06:32pm | 14/01/11

      You’re reading a subtext that wasn’t in the article. Sure plenty of women love sex with heavily muscled, wealthy, influential, astonishly handsome men. The problem being, what about the rest of us?

    • Terrin says:

      02:56pm | 15/01/11

      Chris, my husband may not be the best looking man on the planet, in fact, in the time we’ve been together, he’s dropped about half his body weight (And I worked it off him, mind you), but I love him. He’s sweet, caring, can hold a conversation with me for hours with no problems, is actually smarter than me, doesn’t treat me like crap, doesn’t use me, and has actually helped me with leftover problems from MEN. He has a very high sex drive, and I used to as well. However, what a lot of men may not realise, is that the pill has been proven to lower sex drive. Put that with stress, and a few other things (time of month etc), you have a woman who feels like crap too much to want sex. Ok, she most likely wants it, but she’s just too mentally/physically exhausted to have it. And the last thing a woman who just wants to lie back and relax wants to hear is sex sex sex. Eventually, you get turned off at the mere mention of the word.

      Due to being on the pill, and on anti-anxiety meds for acute anxiety that was misdiagnosed for four years, my sex drive has dropped, but my husband knows what time of the month to look forward to. And look forward to it he does, because he knows that that’s when my drive peaks, and he ends up exhausted, and very happy. Before the anti anxiety meds, boy… he got some sly grins from his workmates.

      So, back to Chris: for the ‘rest of’ you? See what happens when you hold a door for a woman, take interest in her interests, explain yours in a non demeaning way, (my husband also manages to somehow know exactly what I need as well: he goes to do the shopping, and comes back with some cheesecake- the 2 buck slice from the supermarket, or a type of chocolate bar, and my eyes light up and I give him a big hug- the shopping is joint budget mind you), and remember ‘chivalry is not dead’, and you’ll be surprised at the results.

      I guess you could say that for women, sex isn’t instant, it takes time, more time than for men, so a lot of women end up feeling unsatisfied with sex, so go ‘screw it’. Is that the fault of the woman, when a man has sex, comes, and rolls over, leaving her frustrated and wound up, over and over? Give and take, give and take. Make sure you both come, and you’ll have less trouble. And if you really want sex… don’t keep pushing it. Many of my problems with sex are related to men who pushed and pushed and felt that they deserved to come, but that I didn’t. Imagine my surprise when my husband went down on me… I’d been with 5 men previously in my life, and none of them would do that! Said it was ‘icky’ yet expected a blowjob from a woman. Double standards much?

      So, before a lot of men go spouting off about women only wanting good looking rich men… so many women I know just want a guy who isn’t a dick. And there are so many men out there in the dick category, that a lot of women just don’t know if this guy’s worth it or not… when he could be the guy they’re looking for. And with so many men playing those double standards… why should women really bother? Just think on that a few minutes. Men and women aren’t really all that different.

      And, to finish… this article read to both me and my husband, as an excuse for men to cheat and not feel guilty. Along the lines of ‘She won’t give me sex, so I’ll go looking elsewhere, and it’s all her fault, not mine’. I know so many men this article would make snort in disgust at some of the lines. Not feminism, just plain common sense, and R E S P E C T.

    • Bitten says:

      08:27am | 14/01/11

      It seems to me that much of the disparity in couples’ sexual expectations can be linked to the fact that for most people, sex is only about themselves, their fantasies and their desires. HELLO PEOPLE - there’s someone else in the room!!!

      In sex, you shouldn’t need to think about what you want - the other person should be doing that FOR you. Meanwhile, YOU should be thinking only about what your partner wants. Everyone gets their needs met, all the time. It’s not rocket science, I don’t understand why so many people have so much difficulty grasping this simple concept?

    • Markus says:

      08:37am | 14/01/11

      It is kind of sad that someone had to release a book to explain to women that their husbands enjoy sex, and that being in a committed relationship means sometimes doing things you aren’t really interested in doing but that mean a lot to your partner.
      Guys love sex. A lot. No, that love does not really go away with age. No more than say, a girl’s love of being surprised with thoughtful gifts, or being told “I love you”.

      @Bec in the case of single guys it is hilarious (especially hearing the accusation of her being a slut after she says she WON’T have sex with him) but in the case of a couple, if having sex with their husband/boyfriend is such an unbearable chore why the hell are they with them to begin with?

    • bec says:

      08:57am | 14/01/11

      I can’t really answer that question because it doesn’t match my actual relationship experience. I like sex. It’s not a chore, or something I “give”: it’s something I do because it’s enjoyable, and like having as frequently as possible. But when you’re exhausted after a day of work or painting the house, then it’s not something you may necessarily feel like. My fiance works 12-14 hour days, and frequently both days on weekends, and at some periods in the work year he doesn’t want it at all. Am I going to demand it if he’s absolutely exhausted or not interested? No. FFS. There is being considerate of your partner, and there’s being an entitled spoiled baby. I’d be an asshole if I wanted to go get it somewhere else during those times, so I manage.

      I’m just over being told “what women want” when it often hardly matches what we actually want - and then being insulted with “you bitches don’t even know what you want” when we turn down the crap offered to us. No kidding! I don’t want diamonds, or to only eat salad or low-fat food, or Kenny G, or red roses. I don’t want Sex and the City, or to be told that I mustn’t like sex. I do like it - just not in the way that common convention says I have to like it (with revolting over-sentimentality, chivalry and cliche).

      I probably speak for numerous women with that. Certainly not all, but enough.

    • Markus says:

      10:04am | 14/01/11

      Fair enough Bec. I assure you these women exist though. I’ve even sat through conversations with work colleagues who were in hysterics about how often they tell their partners they aren’t getting any. Hilarious, I’m sure.

      To imagine it from some men out there’s perspective, think if those ‘some periods in the year’ that your partner doesn’t want it at all because he is too tired became every day. For up to a year at a time.
      And when you bring it up as a concern in the relationship, it becomes your fault somehow.

      Suddenly, considering leaving because your partner won’t even acknowledge there is a problem no longer seems like the actions of a spoiled baby or a game-playing loser.

    • bec says:

      10:21am | 14/01/11

      Er… leaving isn’t passive-aggressive or immature. If a relationship has run its course and people don’t respect the wants or desires of another, then it’s mature to end it. Far worse is to let it malinger on for the sake of the children, or because of some misguided fear of pride.

      Sure, there are shitty women. 50% of us are above the median, and 50% below it. (Or 49.99999999%. Whichever.) I don’t disagree that there are women out there who are conditioned to see sex as a commodity that they can use for a bargaining chip. But that’s nothing inherent to do with being female: it’s a pretty anti-feminist mindset to adopt, in actual fact, and it’s just a crap pre-feminism cultural hangover. Sex shouldn’t be a commodity: it’s an activity, and a ridiculously fun one to engage in.

      Have you considered why? Is it because there’s that conservative group of women who believe that sex is something you exchange only for tokens of commitment or who believe that by putting out with receiving nothing in return makes you a slut? Is it because they got grossed out when they were kids with lies about how sex is dirty and sinful it is, or that *no* men will respect you if you have sex with them? Or is it just never something they’ve been able to enjoy for whatever reason?

      Someone downthread said that people in general, men and women alike, have a pretty unhealthy view of sex. I’d agree.

    • BK says:

      12:38pm | 14/01/11

      I suspect that hatred of sluts comes from resentment of female sexual power. Promiscous women access a range of benefits not available to men. They have sex with blokes out of their own league. They expect to hear only whatever they want to hear, get whatever they want and for hopeful men to pay the bill. Men call them names, because we suspect that they are uninterested in us because we haven’t offered alot of things that they shouldn’t expect anyway

      @Bec

      I suspect that you are in your twenties. The women who are being discussed here are older, have been married for several years, have had a few kids and suddenly decide that they don’t want sex.

    • Baal says:

      08:40am | 14/01/11

      Sex and Men can be a healthy relationship. What is really required is a more honest interaction between men and women. This however is unlikely to happen whilst myths persist of men versus women.
      We make sex unhealty with our attitudes, a lack of self awareness and also being uptight douches.
      Relax, free yourself of preconceptions and just talk about sex in an open way and you will be suprised what happens.

    • Katie says:

      08:44am | 14/01/11

      “She didn’t even stop what she was doing but merely said: ‘Oh Monsieur!’ “.

      That this line is quoted at all in this piece proves the point - most men just have no idea how to please the woman their with. Most women would love more sex, if most men were more concerned about making sure their female partner had a good time with it! Or, perhaps, if they didn’t always suggest it when we’re trying to go to sleep after work. It’s hard to get in the mood when you know it’ll put you back an hour or so of sleep and you have a full week of work ahead of you!

    • Bilby says:

      09:45am | 14/01/11

      Pro Tip: A little nookie before bed helps you sleep better wink

    • Markus says:

      10:11am | 14/01/11

      “It’s hard to get in the mood when you know it’ll put you back an hour or so of sleep and you have a full week of work ahead of you!”
      That really doesn’t sound like the sentiments of a person who would love more sex.

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:31am | 14/01/11

      A tip:

      It’s not up to men to figure out what you want or what any woman wants.

      It’s up to you, and all other women, to explicitly state in finite detail precisely what it is that you/they want.

    • PD says:

      11:12am | 14/01/11

      ‘Most men’? How large a sample of men have you had sex with to have confidence that your experience with men is representative, Katie? Or are you just speaking from your limited experience and/or jaundiced view of men?

      Since you complain about the inconvenient timing of your man’s advances, do you ever initiate it yourself at a time when the urge takes you?  Do you actually experience the urge, yourself?

    • Bilby says:

      12:22pm | 14/01/11

      Tubesteak: It sounds right in theory, but in reality it is a man’s job to figure out what a woman wants. Sure she should help, but I can’t see anything less romantic than “to explicitly state in finite detail precisely what it is that you/they want”. That just sounds cold and clinical. Don’t start with “it’s not about romance, it’s about sex”. Without the romantic sex the other is just crap.

    • Kerryn says:

      01:04pm | 14/01/11

      @Tubesteak

      Would help if men would do the same!

    • Markus says:

      01:38pm | 14/01/11

      “in reality it is a man’s job to figure out what a woman wants”
      No, it’s yours. If you don’t even know what you want (and a lot of girls don’t. Obviously they know when a guy is getting it right, but have absolutely no idea how he did it), how is anyone else supposed to?

    • Baal says:

      02:16pm | 14/01/11

      tubesteak,
      Yes, what is it with some people who complain about what someone is doing yet do not tell them to do something different?
      If you tell a man what you want he will pretty much always do it because he wants to do it.
      I was lucky enough to have a very good teacher when I was younger, an older confident woman who told what she wanted, asked what I wanted and then we tried stuf for fun.
      Rather than some women and men saying that someone is shit in bed but never communicating that too the actual person

    • Tubesteak says:

      02:18pm | 14/01/11

      I don’t think so, Bilby.

      I’d much prefer a woman tell me what she wants and then we can enjoy it together.

      It’s like going out for dinner. I order what I want and then the chef cooks it for me to the best of their ability. I don’t expect them to guess what I want or how I like my steak cooked. I tell them. I am more likely to be satisfied with this arrangement than expecting them to guess.

      @Kerryn

      I think you’ll find most men are very explicit in what they want.

      Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle both intoned as to what men want and got it right for pretty much all of us.

    • Baal says:

      02:20pm | 14/01/11

      @bilby,
      The “other” type of sex is awesome. Go have a drunken orgy then come back an still say it is crap.
      Even people in love sometimes like to F@#k, nothing wrong with it, if it is crap then you are not doing it right.

    • Bilby says:

      02:20pm | 14/01/11

      Markus - “Obviously they know when a guy is getting it right, but have absolutely no idea how he did it), how is anyone else supposed to?”

      That’s your answer right there. She only knows the result. You know what you did. In effect you know better than she does what she wants. It’s a journey of discovery and it’s supposed to be fun. Of course this doesn’t work for casual sex or short term relationships, but frankly that’s none of my concern.

    • Bilby says:

      02:50pm | 14/01/11

      Tubesteak - I would say it’s more like cooking dinner for your lover at home. They don’t know what you have to offer till you plate it up. It’s not up to them to say “I’ll have the lobster mornay thank you”. Apart from anything else, when I say lobster mornay, they might hear boiled cabbage. It’s all about trying something out, and paying attention to the response. You don’t have to get all explicit and nasty. That just doesn’t work for everyone.

      Baal - Gee… not doing drunken sex right… oh the shame.

      Kerryn - I wouldn’t pay any attention to someone that thinks Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle have anything to say on behalf of decent men.

    • Markus says:

      02:53pm | 14/01/11

      Yes Bilby, but then what about the next poor guy who comes along and does it a bit differently? Does he just keep banging away hoping that the next thing he tries is the one that finally gets her interested?  smile

      “It’s a journey of discovery and it’s supposed to be fun”
      No part of blind guessing until it magically stops being awkward sounds fun, for anyone involved.

    • Bilby says:

      03:23pm | 14/01/11

      Markus - I see your point, but my theory doesn’t really have anything to do with the next guy. Most of my theories relate to maintaining a long term relationship, because that’s what’s relevant to me. I can see that if you want to get straight to it, and both people are completely comfortable with that, then maybe instructions would work. I don’t know.

    • Tubesteak says:

      03:35pm | 14/01/11

      I disagree entirely, Bilby. It’s up to you to communicate effectively what it is that you want and then ensure that they understand what you are saying.

      Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle are more than capable of talking for men. They’ve got some brilliant insights into the modern relationships game.

    • Adam says:

      08:46am | 14/01/11

      the worlds best contraceptive is wedding cake

    • St. Michael says:

      12:55pm | 14/01/11

      If so, mine would need to be sent back to the lab because it clearly wasn’t made properly.

    • blatant generalisation says:

      08:51am | 14/01/11

      The problem is, as crude as it may seem, is that some women use sex for leverage. When couples are courting, women can use sex to lure men into a relationship - the tap runs to keep the man interested and men will do almost anything to romance a woman to ensure that there is a steady supply.

      Once there is a marriage, a lot of men have the expectation that sex is ‘as of right’ rather than something that has to be earned. As a result, there is less of a tendency to do romantic things to ‘earn’ sex and many women feel less appreciated than before. So sex becomes used as a lever again - women don’t feel as though they need to put out to keep their man, so many don’t. Men feel underappreciated and go looking elsewhere for satisfaction.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:53am | 14/01/11

      This is bollocks. There are plenty of 30 and 40-something year old divorcees out there who think that they missed out on something for all their married years and are busy making up for it. 
       
      They’re keen, reasonably experienced and willing to demean themselves in any imaginable way for your pleasure.

    • James1 says:

      09:54am | 14/01/11

      What an off-putting comment.  I really wish I hadn’t read that - now I have this image of a sleazy middle aged man with a fake tan and hair implants chatting up women at a sticky night club bar.

      Give me the married life any day.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      10:17am | 14/01/11

      yeah, but James ... you can even get them two at a time. And in this internet age, bars are passé.

    • James1 says:

      10:48am | 14/01/11

      Plus with the internet, you avoid the types I mention, and the bottoms of your shoes don’t get sticky.

      Two at a time though?  I only have one, and she is way too much sometimes…

    • RT says:

      11:13am | 14/01/11

      If Tony comes from Poorakistan, perhaps his tan is genuine.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      12:30pm | 14/01/11

      RT
       
      no, I just renamed my suburb to match the changing demographic. My contribution to making them feel at home.

      James
       
      try a ball-gag and some more rope. And perhaps a cane or riding-crop. They tend to be a bit less trouble when spacey.

    • James1 says:

      01:26pm | 14/01/11

      RT, I wasn’t referring to Tony in particular - more your average night club trawler (in my mind at least).

      Tony, lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala I can’t hear you *plugs ears with fingers*

    • Mayday says:

      09:28am | 14/01/11

      A birthday card I saw the other day had me laughing out loud in the newsagency.
      It was a cartoon drawing of a boy dressing himself in the bathroom as mum tidies up around him, he looks down at his genitalia and says “Mum are these my brains?” and she replies “No…...not yet dear!”

      We are hostage to our hormones and it is a very difficult drive to suppress when young and get into gear when older.  Thanks for the article, good fun.

    • Hubba Bubba says:

      10:09am | 14/01/11

      It is a fun article.  The comments are priceless!  Please put it on your Facebook Page Andrew smile

    • St. Michael says:

      12:22pm | 14/01/11

      @ Mayday: I’ll cop that I might be taking it too seriously, but you’ll see from my comments further down the thread why I feel the way I do.

      Let’s say you saw another version of that birthday card.  Suppose it’s a cartoon version of a girl dressing herself in the bathroom as Dad tidies up around her.  She looks down at her genitalia and says “Dad, is this a purse?” and he replies “No—not yet, dear!”

      Offended?
      If so, then why is a corresponding attitude to male genitalia and male sexuality acceptable and/or humourous? My answer would be because male sexuality is not considered equal or as worthy as that of female sexuality.

    • Tim says:

      02:45pm | 14/01/11

      @St Michael,
      Eric is that you?

    • Eric says:

      02:58pm | 14/01/11

      No, Tim, it’s not me.

      There are a growing number of men becoming aware of the sexist double standards in our society.

    • St. Michael says:

      03:25pm | 14/01/11

      @ Tim: No, I’m not Eric, and I don’t feel exactly the way he does on male/female equality issues (or indeed on a number of other issues), but I do think he and I have some common ground on the treatment of male sexuality by society at large and the fact we starve our male children of proper instruction or understanding of their own sexuality.

      On that score I think both men and women are responsible for the present appalling state of affairs.

    • mayday says:

      01:24pm | 15/01/11

      @ St. Michael

      Those cards (patronising and sexist) far outnumber the ones having a shot at male sexuality, go in the card shops and newsagents,  loosen up and have a laugh!

    • Zeta says:

      09:37am | 14/01/11

      Gore Vidal and Stephen Fry are both gay. When it comes to men’s relationships with women, they’re passive observers - although Gore Vidal did bed Anais Nin, so he gets a guest pass. And let’s face it - who didn’t have sex with Anais Nin? 

      Francois Truffaut isn’t in the tent either. He’s French. The sexual hang ups of the Anglo-Saxon Australian/English and American man are simply alien to the Frenchman. Francois Truffant never met a woman he couldn’t have sex with. When your wife rolls over and says she has a headache - Francois Truffant gave her the headache. He died in 1984 - the few women you ever manage to have sex with are probably his illegitimate daughters because he just chilled on his death bed having sex with everybody. Truffant only showed up to work on Close Encounters of the Third Kind because Spielberg said he could have sex with the shark from Jaws which was a female.

      That Alexander Portnoy is more famous than the guy who wrote the book about him says more about just why Phillip Roth was so sexually frustrated in the first place. Also, Claire Bloom cheated on him with Lawrence Olivier. Shit, Francois Truffant probably had sex with her too.

      And let’s be real here - what self respecting man is going to read a self-help book about what we want in bed? We know what we want in bed, because we’re men. It’s just that we’re not French enough to go out and get it.

    • Bitten says:

      11:53am | 14/01/11

      I heart Zeta.

    • kerrie o'rourke says:

      10:15am | 14/01/11

      Males should forget sex as soon as males discover sex.
      Otherwise, sex will tie their male lives up in knots.
      Forget your girlometer as it measures girls the wrong way.
      please notice the brains, the personality, and the mind instead of the body.
      “Love defines us.
      It defines us no matter who we are and what we believe in “
      Brett Rutledge the Punch January 14 2011

    • Mike says:

      09:53am | 15/01/11

      This sounds like like a represion of sexuality to me. Forget about sex? Forget about our emotions too as well right? Only look at the world as you want us to look at the world?

      Guys DO look at brains and personality. We also look at the body as do women. More assumptions about how men think.

    • Chris L says:

      11:40am | 16/01/11

      Don’t bother Mike. The only correct perception is the female perception. Surely you’ve been in enough relationships to realise that.

    • mary says:

      10:24am | 14/01/11

      Men and sex: not a healthy relationship; I think that you hit the nail with this article Andrew and even more so with the the title. I don’t think in any way that this article reflects your personal life (as mentioned by others). How would anyone know about that without knowing you personally?

      It reflects perfectly the angst in relationships, will he or won’t he get any? It is not healthy, a relationship ought be based on camaraderie and trust, ‘will he or won’t he get any’ more often than not spoils that balance of love and partnership.
      Any constantly repeated ‘demand’ eventually just builds up to much pressure and turns people off.
      It would be great if guys (in general, there’s always exceptions) could learn to manage this drive on their own without insisting that their partners are responsible.

      Sexual drive in the end is nothing more than creative energy and actually can be applied in many different ways, just too few males seem aware of this.

    • Markus says:

      10:41am | 14/01/11

      “Sexual drive in the end is nothing more than creative energy and actually can be applied in many different ways, just too few males seem aware of this.”
      Good to hear that you know the workings of the male body and mind better than all us men do.
      You hear that, guys? You don’t actually want sex, you’re just not fulfilling your creative energy! Go and build a scale model boat, those urges will be gone in no time!

    • Baal says:

      02:45pm | 14/01/11

      wow. I mean really sex drive is creative energy? Really? Really? I mean really? Wow. I am dumbfounded about how little you know of men. I am a pretty spiritual person and whilst sex can be creative it requires body bumping.

    • mary says:

      03:05pm | 14/01/11

      Thank you Markus and Baal for proving my point.

      The ultimate creative energy Baal; to create a child. However for those in control this very same energy can be redirected for useful purposes, you are free to use your own mind here.

      And yes, indeed, not in control are we Markus? Beyond our control, like a steam train, you have no idea .. Oh dear oh dear, we (women) must help out because really, they (men) according to some (many) just can’t help themselves. That energy surging through them, just uncontrollable.

      Boohoo, grow up already, do something useful with it.

    • Matt says:

      10:49pm | 14/01/11

      “Boohoo, grow up already, do something useful with it.”

      We do. Its called masturbation.

    • ZSRenn says:

      10:43am | 14/01/11

      Not getting sex boys! Feel sorry for ya’s
      a) Learn what the woman wants. Quick! No problem long and sordid a little more effort but if that’s what you want.
      b) Don’t get caught.
      c) Chat up her friends in front of her. Totally disorientates her.
      d) Get your hand off it!

    • Geman says:

      11:44am | 14/01/11

      I think it generally goes like this:

      a) female attracted to male – female uses the target males presumed weakness for sex (short term benefit) against him to get what she wants…a relationship.

      b) male attracted to female – male uses the target females presumed weakness for a relationship (long term stability) against her to get what he wants…sex*

      *known side effects from this strategy include condemnation from feminazi’s, deflated self worth, asexuality and in rare instances homosexuality. Not applicable to select AFL and NRL players.

    • Tim says:

      02:43pm | 14/01/11

      Spot on.
      I think you’ve just described the St Kilda AFL scandal pretty well.

    • grumpy old man says:

      11:45am | 14/01/11

      the male sex drive is a biological urge to spread the gene pool by having sex with as many females as possible. The female sex drive is a biological urge to seek out the best genetic outcome and a partner who will not abandon her and her children. So there is no common ground to start with. The whole idea of monogamy and all it implies is a relatively modern invention.
      Trying to come up with some sort of norm for male/female relationships is as rewarding and productive as herding cats.

    • mary says:

      03:11pm | 14/01/11

      Sorry grumpy but I agree with everything you say apart from the relative modern invention part.

      From a few thousand years ago, a really old book states that, ‘It is not good for man to be alone’ and ‘he shall cleave to his wife’ (not wives) and ‘they become one flesh.’ No plural or multiples wives there.

    • Jack says:

      11:59am | 14/01/11

      Mary, yes I agree with you to a point. Many men can and do use this creative energy to drink,eat,sit in their garage building something or take up a sporting endeavour if they can be bothered. They do not always look to nail someone.When you have been married for 30 years and been subjected to constant whining and winging about everything then come back and talk to me.In a nutshell women have no idea what the hell they want. They are control freaks who want everything to revolve around their feelings and moods; but demand to know what you are thinking and feeling, when all you want to do is watch some television or read a book in peace and quiet. If I had my time again, I would never marry or enter into any long term relationship. I would start a relationship, enjoy the good times and then makeup an excuse to end it and then move on to another relationship.With any luck she would end it first which would make it simpler. It is a win-win situation for all concerned. No commitments.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:13pm | 14/01/11

      I might sound a bit like Eric here, but in his defence I think he’s got the issue right, it’s just I think I’ve got the other end of the problem.

      Conspicuously absent from this article is any mention of the fact that women’s sexuality is seen in our enlightened age as important and something to be discussed and educted on; it’s nigh-sacred, especially in the somewhat wilder New Age “Goddess” movements.

      Let me be clear: I’m not saying that’s a bad thing.  Sure makes up for the preceding two hundred years or so when the female orgasm wasn’t even thought to exist at all.

      But men’s sexuality has not similarly been allowed to emerge into the light and stand proudly alongside that of women.  Men’s sexuality instead seems to have been downright “creep-ified”, if I can put it that way, by society across the board.  I mean, the author addresses it directly:

      “...accompanying guilt that he abandons himself to the sordid adolescent world of chronic masturbation - “a world of matted handkerchiefs, crumpled Kleenex and stained pyjamas””.

      The issue being: that’s an image to be pitied and feel sorry about, not to get amused out.  Why, in our society, do we foster and allow that guilt upon our male children? When a girl first gets her period, do parents generally make her feel guilty about it? Far from it; it’s usually the subject of sensitive discussion and understanding by both genders, because it’s a pretty scary experience and it’s an important step towards maturation.

      So when a boy first gets, shall we say, stained pyjamas, why is the normal reaction of our male children to hide that occurrence, to feel as if they’ve done something bad? Children are the product of the attitudes around them—so why do we have households where that attitude to male sexuality is permitted to develop? Why should boys feel guilty about their own sexuality, about the fact that when they do masturbate all the way to climax, the feeling they get is (or should be) a rush of ecstacy, warmth, and happiness which—for many—is about the deepest emotional response they’ve been allowed to have or able to have in their lives? Why is that a terrible thing to be discouraged inherently?

      I’m not talking here about the boy pleasuring himself in the living room while Grandma’s over for a cup of tea, nor about leaving copies of “Busen” sitting on the coffee table while he does so, anymore than a girl would leave her used pads lying around.

      But how come (again, pardon the intentional pun) we treat male sexuality as the stereotypical skirt-chasing bandit and just the rutting animal? (By the way, Punch sub-editors, the choice of image really doesn’t help.)  Why is male sexuality and the male response to sex assumed to have been taken care of by such augst publications as FHM, and women have the facility of endless bloody columns in Cosmopolitan and/or (especially these days) Women’s Weekly?

      The answer: because we avoid it.  Because we think it’s “dirty” or “disgusting”.  And because we men don’t talk about it, either amongst themselves or with their sons.  Partly because this is that childminding is still left to women in most cases in our societies, but that doesn’t excuse our responsibility.

      We need to get out of this mode of thought, because when we attribute shame, guilt, and humiliation to a boy’s natural sexuality, the only fruit it bears is bitter and twisted.  Indeed I’d suggest that typecasting is partially responsible for many of the sad male sexual stereotypes that exist in our societies.  Sexual energy becomes mistaken for brutal force.  Promiscuity is replaced for seeking a fulfilling relationship and a fulfilling sexual experience with one person.  Masculinity is tainted into violent domination during sex.  This cannot be allowed to continue.  We do wrong to our young boys to make them believe that their sexuality is somehow evil or disgusting or tainted; we have to recognise its inherent beauty, just as we do with female sexuality, and teach that what they feel is natural, can be harnessed, and is not wrong.

      Steve Biddulph did most of the thinking on this, but he quoted Robert Leunig, who responded movingly, as he does in his cartoons: “I like sex.  Why do so few people say that when they’re asked what their favourite thing to do is? Isn’t it a good thing to enjoy sex?”

    • Eric says:

      03:00pm | 14/01/11

      Well said, St Michael.

      Male sexuality is not only demonised - in some instances it is criminalised as well.

    • St. Michael says:

      03:54pm | 14/01/11

      One more somewhat long P.S., and then I promise I’ll shut up.

      The “creep-ifying” of male sexuality probably has its best example in how society deals with male masturbation.  For some reason men seem to be the only gender to whom the insult “wanker” is usually applied, notwithstanding that women seem (if my sampling of the Internet is anything to go by raspberry ) to do it as well.  For men the act seems to perceived as roughly equal to peeing in a public place for societal acceptability; female masturbation by contrast is perceived as a semi-mystic experience which some sections of the community actually regard as downright titillating or sexy.

      Why is that?

      I mean, think about it.  For guys, masturbation is extremely pleasurable.  That’s why we do it so often.  And, especially when you’re young it’s actually a very useful exercise in aiding the sexual satisfaction of women later on: it’s via masturbation that you first understand what turns you on, how your body responds, and—if you’re minded to take it in that direction—how to make yourself “last” longer, because you learn where your “tipping points” are.  In adult men who practice it reasonably, it can be used as a circuit-breaker for desire.  Men who feel comfortable with their own sexuality and comfortable with the fact they can pleasure themselves don’t have to hit up the wife for sex every night.  They don’t have to feel rejected if she turns him down.  They don’t have to scramble for control in the sexual experience, because they already control their own bodies and their own sexual levels, which means the experience becomes shared, not a race to the finish line.

      And you know what? That’s a natural thing, and if men felt freer to actually talk about it, felt like it wasn’t dirty or shameful and something to be gotten over with as quick as possible so Mum doesn’t walk in on you and scream her head off, the ladies might actually find their men to be better lovers.  The men themselves would regain a sense not of control over sex, but control over themselves and their sexual energy.

      But we laugh at it in males; it’s a putdown to suggest that, shock horror, you occasionally pleasure yourself.  Apart from (amazingly) “American Pie” I’ve yet to see a (Hollywood) film scene where a girl gets caught out masturbating has comedic value attached to it.  Male masturbation and getting caught out doing it are, by contrast, repeatedly made the subject of fun.

      I’m not alleging a women’s conspiracy here, once again.  I am saying we have to take male sexuality a lot more seriously than we do.

    • Eric says:

      04:30pm | 14/01/11

      Well, St Michael, I would ask you to consider my point - made above - that male sexual need is the core of women’s power over men.

      Therefore, if men have an outlet for their sexuality that doesn’t involve the approval of a woman, it threatens women’s power.

      Hence, masturbation, pornography, and prostitution are all discouraged or even made illegal - because they undermine women’s control of men’s sexual needs.

    • bec says:

      04:56pm | 14/01/11

      I like a lot of what you contribute to these discussions, St Michael, but I do have to make some commentary on that demonisation.

      I don’t think that on its own there’s anything wrong with males being sexual or wanting sex. But isn’t one of the reasons male sexuality gets demonised is because there is a particular part of our traditional (and regrettable) culture which expresses that male sexuality is active/aggressive and female sexuality is passive/receptive? That sex is portrayed in a lot of popular culture as being a tradeable commodity, rather than a pleasurable activity that both parties equally deserve to enjoy?

      As someone who was sexually assaulted by a stranger in their teens, and someone (who like most women) has experienced someone flashing them, or groping them on public transport, or exposing themselves to us, even reading that mention about Truffaut was pretty triggering. I know that for years after that event that I felt pretty disgusted with sex and deeply distrusting of men to the point where I refused to be alone in a room with even my dad or brother. It took a good quality relationship and actually forming friendship with men to know that violence and that sense of conquest aren’t inherently male values, but there is that cultural idea that sex is an entitlement under certain situations, or can be obtained by duress.

      Much of what I observe in my line of work matches fairly well with what you describe. Studies from the US show that on average, boys receive far less sex education than girls do, and far less cautioning on being the victims of sexual abuse or violence, or how to cope with this if they’ve experienced it as a child. The movie “Get Him To the Greek” quite literally features a scene where the main character is raped, and it’s played for laughs. Jokes about prison rape are still acceptable, and it all seems to come from this creepy hierarchy that oldschool traditional patriarchy creates: if you’re Asian, or poor, or gay, or not athletic, or have a disability, you’re less of a man. In fact, you’re a pussy, or a bitch, or (heaven forfend) a little girl.  The thing is, there’s very little in the way of good quality conversation happening with boys about enjoyable, safe, ethically responsible sex. If they’re in a religious school, they’re told all kinds of lies about what masturbating can do to you in the same way that girls are told that no man will ever love them if they have sex too soon or before marriage.

      It’s sad when you have boys with autism, or who are artistic or even slightly unconventionally masculine, come and talk to you about their issues because, in their words, they don’t feel comfortable talking to any of the male teachers at the school because they constantly hear things like “man up” or “stop being a pussy” from them. They deserve to have a male role model who is compassionate and ethical in helping them out in the same way I had female role models, and this is in a place where 70% of the staff are male.

    • St. Michael says:

      05:41pm | 14/01/11

      (Breaking my promise to shut up)

      @ Eric: I get what you’re driving at, but I don’t think I could go as far as to say that the repression of male sexuality is because of a desire to ‘keep men down’ as such.  IMHO it is a leftover from the Victorian era which, again IMHO, repressed healthy male and female sexuality alike; it might just be that the ladies figured it out a bit faster than men did with the feminism movement.

      I think we’re looking at the same problem, but we differ on the cause.

      I do agree with you, though, that men taking control over their own libido, bodies, and sexual desires is a key to sexual equality—and for emphasis, “control” over “repression” because they’re not the same thing at all—but to do that we have to be able to discuss male sexuality frankly and openly, without degrading the debate into jokes about wanking or saying that the physical and psychological needs of men are completely served by nothing more than the equivalent of a Playboy centrefold’s picture.

      Putting it another way, there was always more to women’s sexuality than “Lie back and think of England”, and there’s a lot more to men’s sexuality than “A pair of tits, a nice ass, and somewhere to insert your convexity for roughly two minutes suffice for men’s sexual fulfilment.”  As a society I think we’re moving away, or have moved away from, the former; now we need to move away from the latter, because it’s a view that degrades both men and women alike.

      @ bec: reading the above I hope gives you some idea where I’m coming from.  Again, I’m not trying to attribute blame to one sex or the other; I think these days there are sections of our community both male and female who profit from the sexual attitudes you mention, and I agree with you that the cultural problem is probably the root cause.

      For me, I tend to think men and women *do* have different hardwired approaches to the bedroom in a healthy sexual relationship, but not the aggressive/receptive form.  It’s much more complex than that in a healthy relationship, as it should be.

      I tend to think of it—and it’s just IMHO—of a man and a woman sexually as an igniter and a hearth for the fire, respectively, but once they catch up to one another they are equal; I think there are case studies that show the things men and women are thinking about very close to orgasm—in a healthy relationship—are actually very close to one another, and it’s a powerful, raging fire of lust from both.

      The point being is that men who are fully confident in their own sexuality and not just anxious to orgasm and get it over with, who are comfortable with their own emotions in the bedroom, who have learned over years of—let’s say it!—masturbation and mastering their bodies enjoy the journey as much as the ending.  Such men are not threatened by their sexual role.  Such men understand men and women are not in a relationship of superior/inferior, merely halves of the one, or parts of the same team.  He recognises its power and what he can do with that power.

      I don’t think everyone needs to be Adonis, though I’m pretty sure that’s what the preceding paragraph sounds like.  That is, IMHO, simply an example of what happens when men are comfortable and confident with their sexuality.

      But as you say, I agree we’ve got a very, very long way to go on this, because it’s central to the starvation of our male children on education regarding their sexuality.  Women can’t completely relate to it, hard as I know they try.  It’s for men to do that.  But men don’t talk about it.  That needs to change.

    • Mike says:

      09:45am | 15/01/11

      Bec: Just one addition to your very good post. It is also some (not all) women who perpetuate this “man up” attitude as well. This is feel is one of the really difficult things for guys to overcome.

      If it was just other guys telling them this but women were understanding then there would be no problem. Soem women jump on board with the myth of masculinity as well and that has a much greater impact on how a man views what he should be.

      Because in the end men love to please women - not just for sexual gratification, but for emotional gratificaion to - we all want to be appreciated and respected in the end.

      Lack of respct is what drives a lot of this IMO

    • Terrin says:

      04:14pm | 15/01/11

      Mike, my husband says the same thing you do- turning me on turns him on too.

      In regards to masturbation- I’ve always held the belief that both men and women should do it. Learn yourself what you like. My husband showed me things, like nerve lines and such, I didn’t know existed. And it heightens the experience so much more, both for men and women. (Studying anatomy does have its benefits wink )

      I also agree that that whole ‘man up’ attitude is bull. Does that mean, as a girl, I should only wear dresses, in pink, wear ribbons in my hair, never play in the dirt, and be some sort of master chef in the kitchen? Because I prefer blue and purple (pink -ugh!), dresses are for when my mood feels like it (and I’m sure men have run around for a day in nothing but a dressing gown, so I think that applies ;P), ribbons annoy me, half the time I’m picking dirt out from under my fingernails and still enjoy looking at bugs, and I’m a crap cook. Does that mean I need to ‘girl up’?

      I have male friends who are artists, singers, musicians, jewellery makers, the list goes on. Doesn’t make me think any less of them as men. And when I was in high school, I had to tell many a male friend that those sorts of interests were fine. Some of the worlds best chefs are men, best fashion designers, best jewellers. And there’s nothing wrong with a man getting a pair of pliers, some tigertail, and some crystals, putting them together with some crimps and making a crystal hanger as a gift or to sell. Or a necklace, pendant, etc. And telling a guy he needs to ‘man up’ for having those sorts of interests, is really no different to telling me to ‘girl up’ for the above.

      I’m for gender equality. Meaning that no matter your gender, you can do what you want, and not have to worry about those outdated concepts, or less pay, or ridicule. I do use the term ‘wanker’ on occaision… but it’s not gender directed. I say it to as many women as I do men. And usually as a friendly insult.

      But I will finish with an amusing story I was once told. A male I know was once happily masturbating when his parent came in to ask him something. I do believe it was his mother. She (or he if I’m wrong) stopped mid sentence, said “Oh, I see you’re busy. It can wait.” turned, and left the room. Later on, they gave them a pocket pack of tissues with a wink, and a pat on the shoulder. Open households FTW. (I just wish my mother had been a little more understanding when she found out I had a vibrator at 16. Her friend had to point out that I can’t get pregnant from a vibrator, which made them both laugh before it was ok)

      See, masturbation is a good thing. You’re supposed to love yourself, aren’t you? And, you can’t get an STD (or you or a partner pregnant either, if you’re looking from the teen perspective) from your hand/vibrator/dildo. ;P (Though if you’re married, you’d certainly hope you wouldn’t get an STD anyway!!!!)

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:32pm | 14/01/11

      For the first time in my life, I’m with a girl who is as into me as I am into her - they do exist. I wouldn’t win any beauty contests either and I deliberately dress cheap- so its not like I’m one of the lucky beautiful people.

      They do exist - women who actually like men.

    • Louscious says:

      01:02pm | 14/01/11

      Can I suggest something extremely simplistic as to the cause of womens lack of desire?  Orgasm.  I love sex, can’t get enough of it.  I have slept over the years with a very high number of men.  Amazingly and sadly very few of these men cared whether I climaxed.  I know!  You’re all going to reply and say that you care about women in bed.  But let me set you straight, not many men do.  And this is what the majority of women tell me, so it’s not just my experience.  What is the point of sex if you don’t orgasm?!  Why don’t men get this?!  Of course women aren’t interested in sex if they don’t orgasm.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      02:16pm | 14/01/11

      Women have orgasms?

      Wow. Who knew?

    • Markus says:

      02:17pm | 14/01/11

      The other side of that coin is that a lot of women have no idea what it is that gets them to orgasm.
      The expectation is that the guy just be magically able to ensure it happens for them.
      The girls I have had the best sex with (and most of which said they had never had bad sex) were those that knew how to reach orgasm themselves. It makes the whole thing so much more satisfying, for both parties.

      Women, we are living in the era of equality, take control of your own sexual enjoyment!

    • Liz says:

      03:02pm | 14/01/11

      @Markus, Are you saying that women are responsible for their own plus their partners’ orgasms or each person des their own orgasm???

    • Leto says:

      03:33pm | 14/01/11

      I think Markus is saying if you need a certain position or act to orgasm, you should ask for it.

      Several of my early sexual encounters were largely unfulfilling as I didn’t know how to ask from something that I wanted.

      In the absence of any other direction, I’m just going to do what I know I like, and what has worked for other women in the past. It can be a hit and miss affair though, because we don’t all work the same way.

      I wouldn’t, however, just lie there, close my eyes, and expect an orgasm (certainly not to suggest that this is your orgasm method Louscious).

      I have been training religiously for orgasms since is was twelve. On a wet weekend, there can be as many as five training sessions per day. Somehow I suspect that many women aren’t as committed to their training as I am…

    • Markus says:

      03:39pm | 14/01/11

      I’m saying women should stop expecting men to be completely responsible for their enjoyment of sex. It is a team sport, get involved! smile

    • St. Michael says:

      04:07pm | 14/01/11

      @ Leto: did you know that one of the lines from The Empire Strikes Back, during Luke’s training on Dagobah, was Yoda shouting “Control! Control! You must leaaarn contrrrrrooooolll!!”

    • Leto says:

      04:34pm | 14/01/11

      @ St Michael, perhaps “The Force” is simply sexual frustration. My Midi-Chlorian levels would probably be pretty low, due to frequent draining.

      It might explain why Yoda has so much force; he is not the most attractive Jedi.

    • St. Michael says:

      05:09pm | 14/01/11

      @ Leto: nah, he’s just a master of Tantric sex.  You know: hippy, long hair, lives in weird surroundings, speaks in nongrammatic English, likes Sting’s music…

    • Chris L says:

      11:56am | 16/01/11

      We know Yoda is into oral when he says “Come, good food!”

      Too much?

    • Kerryn says:

      01:14pm | 14/01/11

      Why is it always women’s fault when something goes wrong with men?  Geez.  If you’re not getting laid, it might be a problem with YOU perhaps?  And don’t give me that hormones crap, if I can manage my Aspergers Syndrome to the point where I can mingle in high society, surely you can manage your hormones!

      Just so you know, I am in a healthy relationship with a healthy male and we have a healthy romantic life, and have had one for the past nearly 4 years.  We communicate and make sure both of us are fulfilled.  It’s not rocket science, and it’s not all my responsibility, he has 50% of the responsibility as well!

    • Tigger says:

      01:35pm | 14/01/11

      What I find interesting is that the prevailing doctrine re sex and relationships is: when the man wants more sex but the woman wants less, the woman is right (i.e. should not force the woman); but when the woman wants more “romance” or communication and the man wants less, the woman is still right (i.e. it’s ok to force the man). Somewhere along the line womens wants / needs have become more equal than mens.

      The other thing that dawned on me is many women openly admit that they need to “look up to” something in a man to feel attracted to him - looks, money, power, whatever makes them swoon. And yet in just about all parts of society and relationships they have sought to become equal or greater than men. (I have nothing against equality BTW). SO the differences and attractants that make women swoon are the very things that have been minimised, eradicated, reversed in “modern” PC society. Is it any wonder that “there are no good men left” when all the swoonworthy attributes have been all but eradicated?

    • Clancy of Sydney says:

      02:12pm | 14/01/11

      The male sex drive in a marriage is like a rich persons holiday house. Just knowing it is there ready for use is in itself satisfying enough that actual use is hardly required. Despite the apparent lack of use, this in no way diminishes the extent to which it is jealously guarded against any unauthorized use! And any such Transgression offends to such a great extent that the title of ownership is ripped to threads and lawyers are called in! Sigh, so these empty holiday houses have to all sit gathering dust while passers by look on with jealous eyes at this extravagant waste.

    • St. Michael says:

      04:08pm | 14/01/11

      ...and in global financial crisis conditions its value weakens somewhat with the result it has to be sold off? raspberry

    • Dan says:

      02:36pm | 14/01/11

      Australia’s population would be at 50million plus if women submitted to men’s needs constantly !.

      My wife seems most interested in sex the week after her period. I love that week as she is all “cuddly and kissy” to me. It is only one week out of four though !

    • stephen says:

      07:38pm | 14/01/11

      Women have sex because they can be a bit naughty and creep out a sigh, but especially, they can breed, thereby nurturing and protecting our culture ,(and theirs too actually). They replace the things that men delete from nature i.e. wars, extreme manhood and foolishness.
      Women are our instigators - dress-ups and perfume - and our replenishers.
      They also pay the bills, which is also why we like them so much.

    • Iconoclast says:

      10:48pm | 14/01/11

      Bec and Eric.

      I can’t see either of you getting laid tonight with the amount of psychobabble that inhabits your minds.

      Just shut up and do it already…

    • SteveO says:

      11:04pm | 14/01/11

      Ladies,

      Do us all a favour and speak up in bed.  It’s not like men don’t want you to come along for the ride!

    • SteveO says:

      03:46pm | 15/01/11

      And further to that, according to Hamilton, C 2008, p. 204

      “Despite the message purveyed by the media and popular culture that it is no more than good fun, sex is deep, powerful and complex.

      Sex in the context of love and intimacy becomes part of a rich relationship marked by security and reciprocity, which nurtures the sense of value and specialness in the lovers that infuses their entire relationship and advances their helath and emotional wellbeing”.

      Well said I reckon.

    • stephen says:

      10:59pm | 15/01/11

      Peter Yates, a Film Director, died the other day.
      And a very good one he was, too.
      Remember ‘Breaking Away’ ? Of course you don’t, but every Aussie film buff should study this film for its rhythm. (Aussie films don’t have any.)
      But you may know ‘Bullitt’, the best car chase movie of them all.
      (Car chase movies have as a good a sound track as the visuals. Just listen to the sound of this Mustang, wheels spinning, and as against the guard-rail. Mighty.).

    • ChickenChoker says:

      09:37am | 16/01/11

      I’d be interested to hear from some women or couples out there with young kids. My wife and I had a great sexual relationship but I think my wife had to hand in her libido when the baby arrived, and 5 years later it is still not happening. I’d like to hear things get better.

    • stephen says:

      10:52am | 16/01/11

      I think your chickens have just come home to roost.

      ( Yer know, they’re not as bad yer think.)

    • Bilby says:

      11:56am | 16/01/11

      I’ve got two and things get better, but only if you both openly admit that you want them too. We struggled for a fair while after #1, but there was not so much of a lull with #2. First kid upsets every routine and habit you could imagine. You have to make new ones. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

    • stephen says:

      02:45pm | 16/01/11

      Got four already, with webbed feet followin me down the road in single file pickin things up off the ground. Coppers keep askin me where I’m going. Dunno why.

    • Reg says:

      10:38am | 16/01/11

      Some topics are not worthy of my attention and this is one. But thank you for lifting to a much higher plane bec. love you.

    • Luke says:

      10:52am | 10/02/12

      A great read Andrew, thanks for that!

    • Lavender26 says:

      01:29am | 07/04/12

      Men aren’t good at sex.  We are.  I know how to please my husband and do.  He still doesn’t get how to please me but men don’t think they need to try.  They have been taught by the porn industry and other unspoken social mores that we are there to please them. 

      At least pros and porn stars get paid for all the work they do.  I go to work outside of the house, come home work some more and then work in the bedroom.  For the last two items I’m expected to do these things and I sure as hell don’t get paid for it.  Women know how to please -men don’t.  I know all the men are gonna jumped on the bandwagon and say I know how to please women ‘cuz I bruised your litle egos but we’re just really good at making YOU feel good.  Men need to buck up and learn a thing or two about female anatomy.  Not just stick it in whatever hole they please and bang away hard until they feel satisfied.  No wonder women say no cuz until there is something in it for us, why bother.  Yeah, we should be other women at least they understand female anatomy and can provide some pleasure.  I have yet to meet a man yet who is good at oral sex - husband included.  You’d think with all the girl on girl porn you watch you’d have some idea but ya don’t.  Go figure.  Sigh…..what is the porn industry good for if it can’t even teach you that.  Anyhow that’s it for me but maybe it will give you all some insight into how we feel.  I have a very strong sex drive and have great fantasies but unfortunately I can please myself better than any man I’ve been with to date.

 

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Europe has the large hadron collider which is light years ahead of its time and #eurovision, where the eighties never die

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Revenge. It doesn’t get a whole lot better than this

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choice ringside rantings

From: They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

Michael S says:

"A teacher at Geelong Grammar had criticised her for using words that were too long, which had left her confused and had made her doubt her ability to write essays. She became ''quite distressed'' when her English marks began to fall." I can sympathise. My scholastic mentors conveyed to me a causal relationship… [read more]

From: Welfare for breeders is a bonus for everyone

Change Up! says:

I have no problem paying my taxes. As a single, childless person on a very decent income, I can afford it and not have my life severely altered. Plus I understand that my taxes paying for things like schools, childcare and infrastructure is ultimately a good thing. A better community is better for me… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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