I recently took myself to a medical clinic that bulk-billed. I didn’t go there because they bulk-billed. I went because the clinic was walking distance from my office building. I needed to get tested for Helicobacter pylori. Here’s what happened:

There's not much inappropriate laughter at GPs these days

GP: You can take the test home, do it yourself and bring it back to be sent to the lab. (No further instructions so I leave and I attempt to pick up the test from reception.)
Medical Receptionist: No, you do the test here, but after two hours of fasting, water is allowed.

(I return after two hours of fasting, having drunk a glass of water during that time.)
Centre Manager: Actually you need to have fasted for 6 hours, nil water, but it should be OK.

(At this point I have to say I was less than confident but nonetheless I entered the pathologist’s lair where I was given a pill to swallow.)
Pathologist: You have fasted for 8 hours with no water right?

Um no, but I was told that it ‘should be OK’. Apparently it wasn’t. Perhaps I should have been asked that question before I swallowed urea with a radioactive isotope. Just sayin’.

I repeat the test the following morning after fasting for 8 hours, with no water and more importantly and unfortunately for those who encountered me, no coffee!

I received no less than four different pieces of information about the one test from the same medical centre. I’m not suggesting that this was the worst experience imaginable. I’m acutely aware that poor medical care often ends tragically. It was however, my experience.

A bit of back-story in case you were wondering if I was spreading some medieval disease. Helicobacter pylori is actually the bacteria responsible for most stomach ulcers. It is also strongly linked to stomach cancer.

Why does this matter to me? My father died from stomach cancer after suffering from ulcers for years, most likely caused by the bacteria. His youngest brother also developed stomach cancer but is thankfully in remission, that old chestnut about early detection. The sad reality for my father is that an oral antibiotic in most cases treats the bacteria.

So in the interest of preventing the heinous and seemingly genetically inherited disease that took my father’s life, I need to get tested regularly. An accurate test result is fairly important given my family history and ‘should be OK’ doesn’t really cut it.

Had the GP been able to spend more time with me perhaps he would have enquired about my family history or at the very least asked why I wanted to be tested for Helicobacter pylori and informed me accurately about the testing process.

The lack of care wasn’t moderated by the fact that I had no out of pocket expenses. I have private health insurance. I pay the Medicare levy. I’m under no illusion that I haven’t already paid for this service and I could care less about out of pocket expenses. I make sacrifices in other areas of my life for the sake of my health.

My broad concern is that universal access to quality medical care is being compromised and that we now have a two tier system where quality is determined by what you can pay. Have we learnt nothing from our allies across the pond?

Over the last decade bulk-billing has rapidly declined. In fact by 2004 only 67.4 per cent of GP consultations were bulk-billed and the lowest rate in the country now is in the ACT where it has fallen to 46.4 per cent. One of the reasons cited is the failure of the Medicare rebate to keep up with inflation.

The key purpose of bulk-billing is to provide economic constraint on medical fees and charges. Medicare, introduced by the Hawke government, was a reincarnation of Whitlam’s Medibank and promised to cover 85 per cent of the cost of seeing a doctor. But as rebates have not risen the $34.90 is now inadequate for a standard doctor’s visit.

If prices are set too low doctors struggle to recover their costs and are potentially forced to lower the quality of service via shorter consultations, less equipment and fewer staff. In turn, limited availability of bulk-billing practices places extra pressure on our public hospitals and emergency departments.

One of the principles of Medicare is Universality. All people have the same rights and entitlements to good quality healthcare. Another is that Access is based on health care needs rather than an individual’s capacity to pay.

So my question is two-fold; do we all have access to good quality healthcare, and has bulk-billing become synonymous with poor quality?

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    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      06:03am | 08/06/11

      I don’t think bulk-billing has become synonymous with poor quality service - my own experience is that the business model is different, however. 
       
      I use bulk-billing services sometimes; it just means that you rock up to the medical centre and wait your turn, whereas with a private practice which doesn’t bulk-bill, you make an appointment and get there at that time. 
       
      What peeves me about our medical billing system (and this is more a beef about private health insurance) is that it is not possible to insure for 100% and this does put pressure on the public system.

    • Tyrande says:

      09:52am | 08/06/11

      In our town it might well be synonymous to poor quality service, simply due to the fact that we only have two surgeries who bulk-bill. They are so overrun that you never wait below three hours. Even with an appointment. Many people who can’t afford the other surgeries in town, go to the hospital even for simple things like a migraine. The waiting times at the ED are upwards from 6 hours on a good day.

      That said, the private practice I usually go to, hasn’t seen me on time either. In the 12 years I’m attending there, I have never been seen earlier than one hour past appointment time and the reception staff are very condescending. That said, the doctor I’m seeing is very good and thorough. She knows my medical history and doesn’t prescribe antibiotics for everything just to get you off her back. For that, of course, she needs more than the 15 minutes allocated appointment time. All that, however, is a different subject.

      I’ve asked them once why they don’t bulk-bill more and they said that it just simply doesn’t meet the cost anymore. GP’s insurance has gone up as well as rent, wages, equipment and all.  So that’s it in a nutshell. I only go to the doctor’s if I really need to go so I can handle the cost. But I know a few people who are of ill health and need to go a lot and for them it’s barely affordable these days.

    • Jay-ded says:

      02:12pm | 08/06/11

      Actually, going into hospital costs you more if you use your private health insurance.  If you let medicare pay then everything’s free.  Weird but true!

    • Mahhrat says:

      06:20am | 08/06/11

      Two words: Triage Nurses.

      Most GP visits are taken up by people who only need doctor’s certificates for an illness.  I should be able to walk into my surgery, see the triage nurse, and get a certificate. 

      Triage nurses could be hired JUST for that purpose.  Hell, most long-standing GP receptionists could do it just from experience.  Surely we can build a system where you can ask for that and be given it, with the Nurse able to overrule you and require you to have a session witht he GP?

    • acotrel says:

      08:11am | 08/06/11

      @Mahrat Inmates running the asylum? When I visit the doctor, I expect PROFESSIONAL help.

    • jf says:

      08:11am | 08/06/11

      Do you mean Nurse Practitioners? If so, I agree.

      They can take care of the many less complicated cases that enter a doctor’s surgery every day and leave the doctor to concentrate on the more complicated stuff for which they are more qualified.

      This is not to say that nurses should replace doctors: far from it.

      NPs would have to be appropriately trained, have the scope of their responsibility strictly defined and be supervised by an appropriately qualified and experienced doctor.

      I reckon that all but two of the about ten appointments that my family had with a doctor in the last twelve months could have been treated by a NP.

    • Kevin says:

      08:13am | 08/06/11

      Many years ago in Melbourne there was a dodgy doctor who would offer a choice between a “major consultation” and a “minor consultation”.
      If you chose the latter, the receptionist would ask what was wrong with you and how much time off work you needed.  After a while, the doctor came out and signed a bunch of medical certificates which would be distributed to the patients who had opted for the “minor consultation”.

    • Lostie says:

      08:42am | 08/06/11

      I think that Triage is a reasonable suggestion. The triage at the medical center could quickly determine if the individual needed to see a medical practitioner at all, the urgency of their complaint and manage patients accordingly.

      Persons in need to a medical certificate can quickly, and professionally, be seen to and sent on their way. If I have a migraine, I do not need to see a Dr, I have my standing prescription of pain meds and I have them and try to go to sleep. I sure has hell should not be trying to drive myself to the nearest medical centre, waiting in line for an hour or more and then wasting the Dr’s (and other patient’s) time while I get a certificate telling me what I already knew.

      The same is true for any number of conditions where the Dr will routinely suggest “bed rest, some generic cold/flu/gastro medication and, if you aren’t feeling better in a few days, come back and we’ll do some tests”. Hell, this is done by any halfway competent parent in the country when it comes to their children, a nurse practitioner could achieve a similar result and, in a stroke, decrease demand on Dr’s.

      Patients should retain the right to wait and see the Dr (the nurse should not be in a position to deny access) but an “Urgent”/“Next in line” process should be achievable. Dr’s will get to spend the time that patients need, patients will get the care they need and everyone will be happy.

    • Sandra says:

      08:54am | 08/06/11

      Yes. Yes. Yes. I developed pneumonia while in Barbados - nervously attended a medical clinic. How 3rd rate would this be?
      Clean waiting room. Two minutes - nurse appears and asks me to follow her. We sit down - like patient & Doc. She asks - why am I there? Any existing med probs, any medication? Takes my blood pressure, my temp. Tells me Doc will be 5 mins and takes me back to waiting room. Doc appears - we have ‘consult’. He asks intelligent and relevent questions - I feel he knows everything about me medically. Prescribes stuff. I leave - veeerrryyyy happy. Soon recovering. How efficient.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:55am | 08/06/11

      @Acotrel, what on earth is unprofessional about Nurse Practitioners (thank you @jf for the good words).

      I work with a health service, and the nurses are certainly clinically brilliant.  They require qualification and registration just like doctors; they just aren’t AS qualified.

      Saying that, an NP could easily agree with me that, “Yep, you’ve got a head cold mate, they’re going around” and write me a sticky for 2 days of rest. 

      It would not be hard, it would improve doctor waiting times, and you’d get far better service from the GP when you REALLY need her.

    • bella starkey says:

      08:56am | 08/06/11

      You can get a medical certificate from a pharmacist.

    • Against the Man says:

      11:00am | 08/06/11

      NP order tests and prescribe without always discussing with a doctor, in fact it is the doctor that has to follow up on the tests ordered by NP. I don’t trust NP having had to see some of the major stuff ups. If NPs had a professional training college, standard exams and have to follow up on what they order and prescribe than thats fine. But right now a NP that prescribes an opiate or blood pressure medication and a few weeks later the GP sees this patient and goes into manic mood because the prescription was a dangerous combo…...that isn’t good.

      The latest NP tragedy, prescribing a med that intereacted with other meds and cause patient’s sodium to drop and induce a seizure. GP was never involved or consulted. Ended up finding out in hospital the blood pressure issues was caused by a renal tumor…........

      Anyways the Punch readers know my stand on NPs and Roxon and her dealings with the nursing unions.

      I just want the correct person trained for he job doing the job, not someone who thinks they can do the job and is happy to collect a fee for non-service.

      I also recently mentioned in a previous article that May’s Medical Observer noted that in the ACT since NP clinics started this has led to a 20-30% increase in ED referrals because it is believed the NPs are not confident managing or treating basic GP type issues.

      Where is the funding for training and creation of positions for doctors. New interns in 2012 onwards may find themselves unemployed, been saying this for YEARS. So there you go….....wake up call (again) for Roxon!

    • Fiona says:

      09:26pm | 08/06/11

      Thanks for the insult @acotrel. Nurses are the faces you first see when you wake up from an anaesthetic, or that you will depend on in the nursing home. A general nurse has done at least a degree at tertiary level, some having done post graduate degrees (complete with practical training) and a nurse practitioner a masters. They also have to jump through multitudes of hoops to get there. A good doctor-nurse relationship benefits most modern practices and both professions know it.

    • Fiona says:

      09:38pm | 08/06/11

      @AGTM, don’t agree with you. I’m sure there have been stuff ups with NPs, just as there have been with home midwives etc. Same with doctors. GPs are in the position where they see a lot of people and some seem to feel they have to be all to everyone. They don’t. What’s wrong with doctors sharing their practices with allied health (which some already do) and NPs? We all have a registering body and are all accountable to it. Trust, proper policies (&procedures;) and knowing your professional boundaries is essential for everyone.
      Btw, it took 5 GPs to order a test that diagnosed my (major) medical condition, so doctors aren’t infallible either.

    • Aunt Maud says:

      06:22am | 08/06/11

      Unacceptable: report ot AMA for their investigation.  This article describes virtually a Third World health system.  The Super Super clinic I attend is just wonderful…no, tis privately owned, ands very professionally administered.

    • Nick says:

      08:22am | 08/06/11

      What are you, 80 years old? I’m willing to bet that the receptionist didn’t have a medical degree (otherwise she wouldn’t be a receptionist), and the centre manager probably didn’t either. Instead if whining so much, poor oppressed Andi here should have taken the time to see an actual doctor and get advice. Or, you, know Google it, like most sane people.

      Furthermore, if she is so worried about cancer and needs to take the test ‘regularly’, why the hell doesn’t she know herself? Does she pre-record a set of instructions to help herself get up in the morning?

      If you want quality service, pay for it. This is akin to someone complaining about Jetstar’s food

    • Nafe says:

      08:55am | 08/06/11

      Nick, I tend to agree. In my area the only people who use the bulk builled medical centre are druggo’s and doleies.

      My GP makes you pay $80 odd and then you swipe your medicare card, then your bank card and vuila, $50 or so returns into the account. If your short of cash they will do the refund before the payment. People need to chill out and realise if you want top quality health care then you have to pay for it. What health care you get under medicare is mediocre at best, Not saying the Dr’s and Nurses aren’t good, but they are over worked, the limited resources are overstreached and they are underpaid.

      This is the area that the Government should be focusing on, Forget the 1% medicare levy, make it 2%, Im sure the support would be there. Even better make it 2.5% and remove the private system.

    • hendrikus says:

      11:22am | 08/06/11

      i visit a bulk billing practice and my gp is professional thorough and dedicated, as for the private sector, i recently had some problem and visited the clinic on a saturday, attending GP did not bulk bill, cost $80
      referal to hospital cardiac unit, emergency dept. cost $90.  Xray $81 and wait for it on saturday there is a surcharge for this service and extra $90.
      a further charge for $256 for the attending gp. How are we going so far.
      All to check some arrhythmia. Follow up with echocardiogram and holster a further for monitoring a 24 hr period a further $395.
      Yes it is good to have the facilities available and yes it is better than falling over dead but i never the less wonder why these costs are so high. some of the bloggers here seem to have no problem with costs but some of us do and we are not all druggies or dole bludgers.
      I have put in 50 years of work and taxes.

    • Bitten says:

      12:29pm | 08/06/11

      Oh hendrikus, you poor thing having to pay for services you received. Outrageous. Of course, xray machines are free. Don’t cost a thing. Oh, and the echocardiograph is free also. The suppliers just give those things away. Hospitals don’t charge private radiology practices rent for their rooms, it’s all free too. The electricity company doesn’t charge medical practices either, that’s free. Stationery, xray film, IT systems, digital archives, security - free, free, free. And the staff - well, they work for free. No wages to be paid. No super. No payroll tax. It’s all free. Free, free, free.

      This may astonish some people out there, but in private radiology our suppliers don’t just give us things. Our machines cost money. A lot actually. My most recent purchase cost $450,000.00. And that’s just the baseline, that doesn’t include the service contract over 5 years. And that’s just one machine. I can’t operate a practice on one machine hendrikus my dear, you’d all be complaining loudly about how long you’ve been waiting. Need more than one machine, my pet. Our staff cost money. Remember them? Those people who take the phone calls and handle the paperwork and do the procedures and provide the reports. Yeah, those people. Turns out they, much like any grocer, electrician, lawyer, plumber, beautician, all have bills to pay too. And they’re thingy about being paid for the job they do. Outrageous, I know, but there it is. Turns out those working in the healthcare sector don’t think they should be treated differently from those working in trades or banking or public service. They want to get a pay cheque too. Then there are those annoying operating costs - rent, electricity, phones, IT maintenance and services. Oh, and the regulatory authorities who want their slice of the pie? There’s the radiation authority. Then there’s the medical college. Then there’s the accreditation authority. Then there’s the AHPRA. Then there are the medical journal subscriptions so that my staff are continually updating their knowledge and skills. Then there’s the conferences that must be attended to meet professional CPD requirements. All of these entities submit bills to me every single day of the week. Insurances. Have to pay them too.

      Nothing is free, dear dear hendrikus. Doctors are NOT ripping the poor poor public off. We are tired of the nonsensical accusations. We currently don’t make a profit. When we do make a profit, it’s hardly worth writing home about. It all gets reinvested in our technology. All so that we can continue to provide better medical care than is available in many many places, to an Australian public that shrilly accuses us of ripping them off and it should just all be free. Australians truly have no idea of the quality of care they receive.  Medicare rebates are determined with absolutely no reference to the cost of providing the services involved. Medicare rebates are simply a reflection of what the public purse is willing to support. Consider that possibly, just possibly, the costs that are charged for medical care reflect the costs the medical providers face in providing said care.

    • Bomb78 says:

      01:42pm | 08/06/11

      @ Bitten - thank you for this. For far too long Australians have placed no value in the medical care they receive because they didn’t have to pay for it! Water is the same – when we didn’t have to pay for it we happily hosed the driveway down, but listen to the bleating about the charges now being imposed.

      There is a culture of expectation in this country which is very concerning. We all want great healthcare, so how about a tax rise? Or maybe a cut in social security payments?

      And if you still don’t like the bills, go wait in the public hospital to be treated. You may not get seen to as quickly, but when the shit hits the fan the care most of the time is as good as it is in the private system.

    • Gary Cox says:

      06:43am | 08/06/11

      I reckon GPs are getting clogged up by people that don’t really need a doctor. Don’t get me wrong, your visit sounds legitimate but how many people go to the doctor because they’ve got a cold? I say harden up. I haven’t been to the doctor for 18 years and I’m proud of it.

    • jf says:

      08:25am | 08/06/11

      I reckon you’re probably right Gary.

      However, I also reckon that there’s a whole lot of families of dead people saying “I just wish he’d seen a doctor”.

    • Another Dave says:

      08:37am | 08/06/11

      Most of those people with colds are there to get medical certificates to placate their bosses.  It’s the only reason I’ve been to a doctor in the last seven years

    • D says:

      09:21am | 08/06/11

      Yup, the need to have a medical certificate to be paid is the reason for 80% of my doctor appointments.  There’s a number of times where I’ve been unable to get an appointment and so I’ve missed out on pay as well.  There needs to be a better way of managing the medical certificate system.

    • Bruce says:

      12:16pm | 08/06/11

      Gary Cox: Yeh ! I used to be proud of not having to go to a doctor for over 10 years, then I got a pain the lower stomach. I finaly went to the doctor, subsequently after a few tests it was found that I had a cancerous tumour. Had I gone for more regularly for a check up it might have been picked up earlier. My biggest regret is that I should have gone to the doctor for regular check ups. Hopefully not, but trust me Gary, your time will come !  Also, I can not speak highly enough of the nurses, staff GP’s, specialist etc. I am still here.

    • Goldenfaber says:

      08:37pm | 08/06/11

      It’s difficult to harden up to skin cancers that keep recurring and pissing blood all over the place when you touch them….or the flannel/towel does.

    • Brendan says:

      06:53am | 08/06/11

      Do you see what you have done here?  You have taken a single instance and asserted that it is representative of a whole industry.  Its not good science.

      If you want to make a reasonable argument you need to provide statistics rather than one bad experience in a clinic at lunch time.  As they say: “for example does not constitute an argument”.

      You do write pretty well though so I think you may do ok. I think you just need to plan your article a little better.

    • Annoyed reader says:

      06:56am | 08/06/11

      I’m sorry to say but this is an extremely second rate piece of work – and a case where I believe you, and not the system is at fault (for the most part).

      Firstly, GPs are all private practitioners, who fall under the Federal Government budget, so there’ s no way for there to be two tiers i.e. public sector GPs or Private sector GPs. The Government negotiates a set fee with the AMA, of which we get a percentage back from Medicare (75% or ? depending on in which area of care).  The remaining percentage plus the “gap” (difference between the fee and what the doctor charges) is paid by us. Bulk Billing enables GPs the ability to claim the percentage of the set fee (which the patient forgoes, or “opts out of” so we the patient face no out of pocket cost (hurrah).) They are best used for GPs to issue tests like this, or for practice nurses to bill under (under the GPs supervision).

      Yes, if you have private health and you pay the Medicare Levy you can use both, and have to for primary care – but this makes no difference to your argument.

      You went to the doctor to take test you “needed”, but to know this, apart from any family history which sounds horrible for you,,you would have needed to ask the doctor whether you needed to take a test in the first place, or at least read up about it before you went.

      Bascially, then you would have taken it home, followed instructions and performed the test like you ended up doing anyway. If you get tested regularly as you say (even though you sought advice -  a tad inconsistent), then you should know the process to follow.

      Access is not being compromised, because Bulk-Billing has created the chance for more people to see a doctor. And I don’t think you can judge your scenario based upon advice you were given.

      A few more things:
      “My broad concern is that universal access to quality medical care is being compromised and that we now have a two tier system where quality is determined by what you can pay. Have we learnt nothing from our allies across the pond? “> where? In the UK you don’t pay to see a GP, and in the States you either have health care, or you have Medicare/Medicaid? So basically you are seen or not at all, There is one tier or nothing there.

      “The key purpose of bulk-billing is to provide economic constraint on medical fees and charges.” – Wrong, bulk billing was to ensure that more patients faced no gap fees to see their doctor and to enable doctors to see more patients in a way with as little administrative burden.  It was also created so that services like immunisations etc could be taken by nurses to free GPs up to focus on more important cases. Doctors don’t necessarily like bulk billing as they cannot charge as much, so it’s wrong to say this creates a two-tiered system.

      “If prices are set too low doctors struggle to recover their costs and are potentially forced to lower the quality of service via shorter consultations, less equipment and fewer staff.”- > Wrong, Doctors can charge what they wish – and they do. But f they charge too much, patients will go elsewhere. Its you and I who can struggle, or can go to a Bulk-Billing Doctor, or just go to a non-bulk-billing doctor and pay the gap, like we all usually have to.

      “In turn, limited availability of bulk-billing practices places extra pressure on our public hospitals and emergency departments”. -> I thought you just said no one was using bulk-billing, so shouldn’t there be more of these GPs to go to? And no one should be going to A&E if they have a cold, and I don’t think they would. A&E will tell people to go to their GP.

      “One of the principles of Medicare is Universality. All people have the same rights and entitlements to good quality healthcare. Another is that Access is based on health care needs rather than an individual’s capacity to pay”. - > anyone can go to a doctor, and bulk-billing means you don’t pay anything, so both are covered here, so pay doesn’t come into it.

      “So my question is two-fold; do we all have access to good quality healthcare” (yes), “and has bulk-billing become synonymous with poor quality” (no).

      New question: should you be happy that you had the right test and didn’t pay for it. (probably). If you wanted good advice, you should have called your family doctor, sought advice before going to the Bulk-billing GP and known what you were in for, taken the test and hoped for the best.

      I think its ok to have to pay to see a GP at a subsidised rate, regarless of the Mediare levy. Even in the UK where it costs nothing to see a GP, the NHS is completely bloated and causing serious issues to quiality there. Whilst no political party will touch the idea of payment for some treatments, it is slowly becoming a reality.

      Now shush, you’re cluttering up my Twitter feed.

    • sj says:

      12:55pm | 08/06/11

      “Yes, if you have private health and you pay the Medicare Levy you can use both, and have to for primary care – but this makes no difference to your argument.”

      Your premise is incorrect!!! (or maybe mine is, please correct me if Im wrong) I do have Medicare, and top level private health cover - last year alone I paid close to $2k for x-rays, ultrasound, GPs, specialist app, etc - only portion of my GP cost and specialist cost was clamable under Medicare, everything else WASNT!!! I was advised by my private fund (CBHS) that outpatient costs are not met by private health funds - only some (!!!!) of inpatients costs are.

      Im asking you - what the hell am I paying thousands to my private health fund when I cannot claim for my ultrasound, xrays, etc. Maybe Im in a wrong fund…...whats your experience.

    • persephone says:

      07:20am | 08/06/11

      Er, whatty?

      One bad experience at one clinic and that’s a sign the whole system’s problematic?

      Of course doctors, nurses, pathologists etc etc make mistakes. Sometimes, purely by the laws of chance, one person will have them all make mistakes. That doesn’t mean anything except that humans are inherently imperfect.

      And why is bulk billing the demon here? My local surgery doesn’t bulk bill. I still waited over an hour yesterday for a consultation (despite booking in advance and ringing before I left home to check how things were going) because an emergency case came in. Even when there’s not an emergency, a 20 minute wait is the norm.

      And the doctor I see doesn’t always get it right.

      It’s never ever occured to me that that was the fault of the system, or that if the clinic charged me in a different way suddenly things would be perfect.

    • Gary Cox says:

      07:55am | 08/06/11

      Sounds like you go to the doctor a fair bit Perse? Are you ok?

    • Que says:

      08:33am | 08/06/11

      OMG persephone, I’d never thought I say it but I actually agree with you.

    • persephone says:

      08:38am | 08/06/11

      Gary

      Fine, thanks for asking!

      A touch of rheumatiz.

    • acotrel says:

      07:21am | 08/06/11

      In our town there are two surgeries.  Neither bulk bill, and that seems to be by agreement.  Is that what’s meant by ‘collusive trade practices’?

    • fairsfair says:

      09:35am | 08/06/11

      In my home town there is a single surgery that only bulk bills for concession card holders. Is that whats meant by ‘descrimination’?

      Small surgeries should be able to do whatever they want. They have high overhead costs and I would rather pay a bit extra to know that I will see the same doctor each time and that there is a nurse out the back that can do my blood test. I don’t have to go to another place to have it done.

      Enjoy it while you can Acotrel - it will probably corrupted and ruined in no time.

    • Que says:

      08:26am | 08/06/11

      I have worked as a doctor in Sweden for 3 years. We seem to celebrate their system but you would not believe how bad it is. For the local GP surgery (Vårdcentral) which is state run this is the way it works when you want an appointment:

      1) You usually can only ring between 11-12am to request an appointment. You can’t speak to anyone and have to leave a message and a nurse practitioner (usually) rings back that day to give you an appointment within one week. You have no discretion. No you can’t go to another clinic and no you can’t go to the ED (akuten). You get turned away.

      2) All visits require a co payment. This payment is often at the level you have to pay to see a private specialist in Australia.

      3) Many doctors are foreign and can barely speak Swedish

      4) Outpatient appts for specialists are often 3-6 months and also require significant co-payments. No choice of doctor. Most doctors have lower practical experience than those in Australia.

      Many of my in-laws from Sweden come to Australia to get their medical ills dealt with as they see the system as much better here.

      Despite the problems, I don’t think we understand how good our system is.

    • James1 says:

      09:05am | 08/06/11

      Indeed.  My experiences of the US health system are even more horrific,  I always laugh to myself when Australians complain about our system - it is one of the best in the world.

      Also, why didn’t the author write an article saying how wonderful the system is last time she had a good experience?  Surely one good experience would be valid grounds for saying our system is first rate, by the evidentiary standards displayed in this piece.

    • Kika says:

      01:54pm | 08/06/11

      Well yeah. I heard in Norway you have to apply to change GP’s? You are registered to one and one only and there you stay. If you change you need to give reason and wait until another doctor has a spot free or something. They think it’s good because the doctor ensures they have a good record of your health. I reckon it’s cr&p because if you don’t like the doctor it makes it pretty awkward to go to another one!`

    • Joan says:

      08:32am | 08/06/11

      Who said all GPs are perfect? It`s not up to receptionist or a manager to advise you on a test. Would you seek advice from a receptionist at a lawyer, or a financial adviser other than appointment time or lodging of docs? What`s the bet you spend more time researching a holiday , or hairdresser, than you did selecting your doctor. GPs are not all equal the same as in any profession,  that includes journos.

    • Fog Badger says:

      08:37am | 08/06/11

      WRONG:
      The key purpose of bulk-billing is to provide economic constraint on medical fees and charges. Medicare

      WRONG:
      Over the last decade bulk-billing has rapidly declined.

      3rd-rate article.

    • JOHN says:

      08:58am | 08/06/11

      The answers are YES; NO. But you are being very mischievous. Why didn’t you go to your own GP? You knew about tests for HB from your previous tests. You could have read or asked about the billing when you went elsewhere. Our GP bulk bills a veritable menagerie of derelicts single-handed 6 days per week and visits at home. Anyone can find these docs by looking. But they are paid ABSOLUTE PEANUTS, so the “smartest” ones join a clinic and charge you one tenth of what your friendly solicitor charges and one-fifth of what your dentist charges you. Why not get real and barrack for the GPs night and day until Ms Roxon educates herself and you get real. I’m surprised you didn’t humbug a hospital for bulk billing.

    • MK says:

      05:18pm | 09/07/11

      I tend to Agree,
      you were being a WORSE patient,
      you knew your family history, but chose not to tell the doctor (not your regular docotor) and make a point about them not asking your family history,

      “Hi, my name is X i have a family hisotyr of stomach cancer, my father died of it, i need a test for helicopter bacteria, What do i need to do for the Test?”
      That would have taken all of 15 seconds?

      If you just go in and ask for a test, the Poor doctor,
      may be overworked tired, could be forgiven for making the mistaked that you actually have a clue,
      have had the test before etc etc

    • James1 says:

      09:00am | 08/06/11

      Personally, I blame the unionised workforce.  The AMA dominates the scene, and holds the rest of us to ransom.

    • Que says:

      09:13am | 08/06/11

      I think you overestimate the influence of the AMA. At most they are an advocacy group for GPs and some patient groups. Specialists see them as a relatively useless and bloated organisation.

      As John says, most doctors are paid a small fraction of other professional groups and can barely make a living. One GP not far from where I work needs to see 5 patient an hour just to break even,..

    • James1 says:

      09:35am | 08/06/11

      I was joking. 

      However, ‘relatively useless and bloated organisation’ is an apt description of most unions…

    • Snoozer says:

      09:38am | 08/06/11

      @James1, most of us ( yes I am a doctor) aren’t members of the voluntary organization, not union, the AMA. The AMA recommends fees doctors may choose to charge, but in no way are these mandatory. Medicare fees are all that the government is prepared to pay for a service, NOT what the government may think the service is actually worth ( and the government admits this). I would hate to be a GP as the amount of paperwork the government has set upon them is truly incredible. My wife would do a three hour shift seeing patients, then have 2 unpaid hours doing paperwork for the government. She has since left general practice.

    • Clayton says:

      09:12am | 08/06/11

      Time spent with a patient is vital in assessing medical condition.
      Family history and lifestyle plays a part.
      The government banned home visits, but they were important as the doctor had first hand view of potential causes otherwise not revealed in a 10 minute sit-down in a surgery.
      Now it is all about cost.

    • Steve Thompson says:

      09:15am | 08/06/11

      The problem isn’t the bulk-billing. The problem is this particular clinic or this particular doctor.

    • Janey says:

      09:51am | 08/06/11

      In my experience as a medical receptionist, it is this particular type of patient that is the problem in a busy bulkbilling clinic, full of people “sick on the day” who are unable to get into a private clinic because they are not a regular patient (some clinics are forced to close their books for periods of time) or they are unable to pay.

      Can you not afford the $30 gap for your regular, private GP Andi?  If not, you may wish to change your profession.  Perhaps you do not have a GP?  If you are looking at something as serious as stomach cancer that may require comprehensive care, I suggest you get one, and leave the bulkbilling clinics to see the people who may not have your privileges.

    • Holly says:

      09:21am | 08/06/11

      You, the writer come across as a clueless totally non assertive patient.  You state that “had the GP been able to spend more time with me perhaps he would have enquired about my family history…”  For goodness sake why did you not preface your request with the information about your family history.

      There is something about this story that does not quite gel for me.  You don’t describe any symptoms only that you went to a clinic within walking distance which bulk billed because you needed a test.  So you just needed a test so why didn’t you tell the Dr why you thought you needed the test? 

      Instead you do a great rant and make totally unacceptable generalisations about the health system.

      If I had been given even two different sets of instructions I would have been asking for some written formation or contacting the actual pathology lab or even “googling” for goodness sake to seek clarification.  Are you actually a journalist?  Please tell me you aren’t.

    • Curious says:

      09:24am | 08/06/11

      When I called around to three GP practices in my Melbourne suburban area, the receptionist said they weren’t taking any new patients. When the fourth one said they could give me an appointment, I was willing to pay extra for it because I was getting pessimistic about my chances of getting one elsewhere. 

      Does this happen to other people too?  When I lived in Sydney I never had this problem, but that was a while ago.

    • Joan says:

      09:37am | 08/06/11

      Yes it does, quality doctors are soon found and chronic patients stay with them, there are only so many working hours so a Dr can only give a quality service to X number of patients who book out appointments with regular, visits for monitoring and acute issues. Having said that no clinic would turn away an obvious emergency…

    • Rose says:

      09:52am | 08/06/11

      I have had the same doctor for over 20 years and he is no longer taking new patients. He runs a single doctor practice and operates out of 2 surgeries (I’ve always thought that the smaller one is so he can write it off as a tax loss. I can ring him and see him the same day and rarely wait more than a few minutes. He knows my history and while I won’t say he has never made a mistake, he always includes a ring me or come and see me if it doesn’t begin to improve etc.
      My daughter decided she wanted a female doctor so we checked out the local multi-doctor clinic. One doctor for the first consult, a different doctor for the second consult and a different doctor again when she went back to get her test results….a thoroughly crap system. She has now retuirned to our original male doctor and has discovered that the sex of the doctor is second to continuity of care.
      I suggest we do more to encourage single doctor practices or at least try to ensure that at a clinic it is possible to see the same doctor each time.

    • Lostie says:

      10:13am | 08/06/11

      Most clinics (in my experience) will allow you to wait for a particular Doc if that Docs is on duty. It may mean that you wait a little longer, but that’s up to you.

      My local medical centre has only one female Dr, if you ask to see her you can expect to wait more than twice as long as if you are waiting to see “any Dr”. because quite a few people would rather see a female Dr.

      Strangely I have heard more than one prospective patient claim that this is sexist because it means that men tend to get seen quicker than women.

    • Suzanne says:

      12:14pm | 08/06/11

      @ Rose
      Did your daughter ask to see the same doctor?
      At my local clinic there are at least 6 doctors on duty at any one time but if I want to see a particular doctor I ask when I’m making my appointment. I might have to wait a bit longer or until the next day but they’re happy to oblige.

    • GB says:

      12:34pm | 08/06/11

      I try and go to my original GP if possible but its a bit of a trek from where I live now.
      Recently I was ill and needed to see a closer GP. I was worried that I would not be able to get in to one, but the first one I called seemed surprised when I asked if they were taking new patients and said of course. They were not a huge medical centre either, maybe 6 GPs working there.
      I do live in a fairly wealthy area of Melbourne now, so there may just be more GPs in the area and therefore a wider spread of patients.

    • Rose says:

      01:32am | 09/06/11

      Yes Suzanne she did but apparently most doctors at that practice are only there one or two days a week, working at the practice’s other clinics on other days.

    • Dan says:

      09:24am | 08/06/11

      Andi, I understand your concern, my grandfather died of ulcers as well. But I don’t understand how you can be genetically predisposed to a bacterial infection, its like being genetically predisposed to a shark attack.

    • Nick says:

      09:35am | 08/06/11

      I laughed at this.

      In all seriousness though it’s her victim complex.

    • Fog Bader says:

      11:42am | 08/06/11

      Helicobacter pylori can be passed amongst family members and any one particular individual can be reinfected.

      Blood test for H.pylori simple and often test of first choice in those who haven’t received treatment for H.pylori in the past.

      Genetics in the family sense of the word is not significant in diagnosis and management.

    • Sheedy's Left Foot says:

      09:46am | 08/06/11

      The Australian Medical system is pretty bloody good to be fair.

      It is cheap, fairly efficient and provides pretty good front line services. Sure there will always be problems, but the reality is that there will always be problems.

      I am thankful that every experience I have had with the medical profession in my time here has been first class. Same day appointments, helpful nurses, GPs, casualty staff etc and when I have required private treatment It again has been first class.

      TBH though I don’t have a clue what bulk billing is. I just handover the medicare card, and pay the $48 for an appointment and some may come back to me in the end. I dont care though, for what we get the service costs peanuts.

      It is still cheaper and quicker to get an appointment with a GP than it is to get a plumber to come out. Thats is pretty bloody good.

      Travel overeseas and see just how lucky we all are with our medical care.

    • Chris says:

      02:41pm | 08/06/11

      I’ve got to agree that it’s pretty good. In value for money and overall result we do pretty well compared with most other countries (though some do better.

      However, I’ve had a similar experience to the authors, but in a very expensive bit of the private system. So it’s nothing to do with bulk billing

      My view is, to get value, you can’t trust anyone. A bit of online research (i.e its probably possible to look up the test on the Internet to find out what the fasting rules are) and healthy skepticism are needed.

      The other point is, that like any large bureaucracy with entrenched interests, it will be populated with lazy semi-skilled workers. You have to watch out for them

    • Andi says:

      09:47am | 08/06/11

      You misunderstand. I’m predisposed to stomach cancer. Ulcers are a risk factor and often caused by the infection. I’m minimising risk.

    • Ari says:

      09:50am | 08/06/11

      Your story is bunk, and yet another example a journalist with a bad personal experience decinding to wage war on a so called “broken system”.

      1) H.Pylori and its relation to stomach cancer have no recognised genetic link. Your doctor asks you if you have a family history of heart disease if you present with angina; he cannot read your mind. If you have a concern raise it with him.

      2) There are various tests for H.Pylori; some of which can be taken home. It seems to me that either the clinic receptionist booked you for the wrong test or that the clinic simply does not carry them all and you where booked for a similar test.

      It seems to me that you did the bare minimum of research for this piece; or any any at all. I think an apology is in order.

    • Gillian says:

      09:54am | 08/06/11

      Great article that should absolutely be brought to the attention of everyone! Just a pity you couldn’t publish the address of this less than professional establishment, as I’m sure I can safely say this is not the first or last case of negligence.

      Four pieces of different information regarding a medical test is an utter disgrace! The END.

    • Fog Badger says:

      11:46am | 08/06/11

      You can’t be serious, @Gillian?!

      If you read the article carefully and do a little background research (unless you know the system), you will see it is largely based on ignorance of disease and healthcare delivery in Australia.

      Having experienced medical care in Switzerland and Belgium, I find the Aus system to be very good.

    • Que says:

      10:09am | 08/06/11

      Thanks for that comment Andi,...I mean Gillian.

    • Gillian says:

      12:14pm | 08/06/11

      Ha! So because I don’t agree with the other negative views on this article I have now taken on the identity of the writer! Thank you, I take it as a compliment Que?

    • Que says:

      01:07pm | 08/06/11

      “Thank you, I take it as a compliment Que?”

      No.

    • Kate says:

      10:11am | 08/06/11

      I’m off to the doctor today for a repeat on some prescriptions. $70 for three pieces of paper.
      Despite the expense, which is not easily covered and I actually have to save up for it, I’ll still go to a non-bulk billing doctor. I used to go bulk billed, but got a bit nervous about the fact that nobody ever asked me any questions about symptoms, side effects or general health when I picked up the prescriptions. The one time I did talk properly to a bulk billing doctor, he diagnosed me on the spot with bipolar disorder (which I don’t actually have) just because I wasn’t depressed “all the time”. Two months of totally unnecessary medication with awful side effects. My current doctor is great and actually discusses my health with me, so I’m happy to pay the cost.

    • Janey says:

      10:16am | 08/06/11

      Get real Gillian, Andi could have taken so much more responsibility for herself but chooses instead to anoint the gubberment as responsible for HER potential medical problems.  Bet she wouldn’t be whinging if one of those doctors saved her child from imminent death from meningitis as one quick thinking, overworked doctor did last week at my clinic, or how about the nurse who recognised a patient in cardiac arrest in the waiting room and it was all hands on deck?
      No, you think these doctors should be looking after people like Andi who was not ill and in no need of immediate medical care, but thought she would pop in “because it was near work”.

    • gillian says:

      05:14pm | 08/06/11

      No Janey, YOU get real! Blah blah blah you sound ridiculous! Just sayin’

      Btw, I hope this never happens to you or your family.

    • Suzanne says:

      10:17am | 08/06/11

      You think Australia has a second rate health-system?
      Try spending some time in South America, or even the US where no money or insurance=no treatment. That should give you some perspective.
      My local clinic bulk bills so I’ve never had to pay a cent to see a doctor and I’ve never had a bad experience there. They’re open from 8am to 8pm 7 days a week so I can get an appointment that fits in around work. I have to go back every 6 months for a repeat prescription and I’ve never been kept waiting more than 20 minutes, even when they’re really busy.
      I absolutely agree with the suggestion that NP’s should be allowed to give medical certificates too, outside of my regular appointment for my prescription the only time I’ve been there is to get a cert for work. I’m sure the doctors time would be much better spent on people who need their help rather than signing certs for people with head colds and sore backs.

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      10:21am | 08/06/11

      Some Doctors offices are better than others,  just like some butchers are better than others, some mechanics are better than others…....
      You went to a doctor that didnt treat you that great,  move on,  go somewhere else, it is hardly representative of the entire system.
      I moved to the US when i was 16 and was astounded by the beaurocrasy in the health care system there,  here by comparison is great.

    • Fiona says:

      09:57pm | 08/06/11

      Well said Keith, find a good doctor, mechanic (and for women in particular) a good hairdresser and stick like glue to them.

    • Chris says:

      10:46am | 08/06/11

      The two tiers extend far further than that, though. The GP’s in our area of Adelaide are usually booked 1 week+ in advance (and no, they don’t bulk bill). All GP’s that my family have seen recently have a “come back in 3 months, we’ll see if it has changed policy” - you have to scream bloody murder to even get a blood test for something that can be very serious! And private health - that’s just one of the biggest rorts around. A family friend was recently diagnosed with a tumor in her pituatary gland. It was pushing against the optic nerve, and this had the possibility to make her go blind. To have the surgery through the public system - 6 month + wait - too late for this friend’s eyesight. To go private - “sorry, we don’t cover that surgery”.

      Another friend hurt his back playing sport. The first surgery was covered by his private health, but after that - “sorry, it’s now classed as a pre-existing condition, which means we won’t be covering that”. But examples like these are the reasons you used to take out private health - in case the worst happened. Now, private health won’t cover jack sh*t, and unless you have the readies to cough up for an emergency operation - you’re out of luck.

    • Que says:

      11:04am | 08/06/11

      Chris, there is no doubt that some private insurers are unscrupulous with their coverage. I just spoke with a neurosurgeon in the hospital corridor and he said that nearly all insurers do cover a pituatary adenoma resection - no out of pocket expenses. Obviously your friend’s insurer was a lemon.

      Ultimately private insurance is a product. If you don’t like it then don’t take it out. The private health industry also saves the government heaps of money as it provides better service at a cheaper cost per ‘separation’.

      Enjoy your public system Chris and stop complaining - you live in a very lucky country with one of the best health systems.

    • Scooter says:

      11:20am | 08/06/11

      On a trip to Cambodia ambition outmatched skill on a motorcycle - result one broken collarbone.  Visited a medical clinic in Phnom Penh.  One hour later, x-rayed, wounds cleaned, tetanus shot and consult with Isreali Orthopedic surgeon and written report recommending repatriation I organised to fly home.  First world medicine in a third world country, yay. 

      On arrival home I proceeded straight to casualty, after a seven hour wait and collapsing on the floor in pain I was finally seen at 1 am.
      Third world medicine in a first world country.  What the hell?

    • Que says:

      11:39am | 08/06/11

      Was the Cambodian clinic private or treatment funded by your travel insurance (as opposed to 7 hours in a public system ED)?

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:05pm | 08/06/11

      I’ve had private health insurance ever since I held a job and I resent the comparison to public health. I pay for service and I expect it. A wait as the GP is expected. However I required correction of a little hernia and the local GP at a clinic suggested I make an appointment for the surgery right away because it will be at least 18 months before its will be done done… Errh I have private health insurance - “We’ll do on Tuesday.”

      Even though I believe in three innate rights; Opportunity, health and justice. Either we have universal health care at a cost of whatever it takes or we have a two tiered system of Public health for the have nots and Private health for the haves. That is have private insurance.

    • Bikinis on Top says:

      12:24pm | 08/06/11

      Private Health Insurance is only for rich people only.
      Medicare is for everyone.
      In USA, without medicare, get sick and get bankrupt!
      Naturally our mass media and Liberal Nationals support American republican values through and through as always.!

    • Against the Man says:

      12:46pm | 08/06/11

      Errmmm…Bikinis on Top, I think with the way health is going under Labor with the many additional layers and Medicare strain, it almost looks like Roxon is intentionally forcing Medicare to become bankrupt so as to push health fully to the private sector. I’ve mention this very point on The Punch at least 5 times in the last year and as someone on a NSW health committee this isn’t just my point of view. Wasn’t their reform package promising the government will get their full financial kick in by 2018 or something like that?

      I’m just curious about the Is Julia Gillard’s ‘‘in-principle’’ agreement with the states on her new health funding model, she did very confidently announced problem solved before anything was signed on the dotted line and now her partner in crime Roxon is blaming the States? I still remember the KRudd’s ‘buck stops with me 100% Federal government take over’ promise.

      I don’t think health care reform is easy, any government will have a hard time, but with a zero policy success record it looks like they never ever had a winning chance taking on this task…..............suffer the poor taxpayer.

    • Que says:

      12:50pm | 08/06/11

      “Naturally our mass media and Liberal Nationals support American republican values through and through as always.!”

      What? Are you stark raving mad? I guess you see the ABC, SMH, The Age, Crikey as micro, not mass media?

    • Jasmine says:

      12:30pm | 08/06/11

      When did “I couldn’t care less about….” become supplanted by “and I could care less about out of pocket expenses”?
      If you could care less, you obviously care to some degree.

    • Suzanne says:

      12:50pm | 08/06/11

      Thank you!
      People saying “I could care less” is one of my pet peeves. It’s pretty shoddy for a journalist to make that mistake.
      It’s right up there with people who say “of” instead of “have”.
      As in “they should of paid more attention in english class”.

    • Steve says:

      12:58pm | 08/06/11

      Medicare is the foundations of medical inflation in Australia. As you pump more money into the system too much of that money is taken up by increasing the costs of services rather than increasing the number of services.

      Gough Whitlam’s original reason for medicare was because people with treatable conditions were not going to the doctor. The assumption was that they couldn’t afford it. That was not the case.The main culprits were men who to this day are stll not going to the doctor despite medicare and bulk billing for those not well off. This year 48,000 Australian men will die of a treatable condition that would have been prevented if they had gone to the doctor.

      Medicare is another typical Labor theory that has been a disaster in practice. For years the coalition opposed medicare but Australian fell in love with it. “medical care is going up, thank god we have Medicare” Of course medicare is the reason is was going up in the first place. The political cost to the coalition of opposing medicare became so great that they gave up on opposing it.

      In the pre medicare days private insurance was quite cheap compared to today, ER waiting rooms were not over crowded because only emergency cases turned up. The poor were still treated for free. It wasn’t perfect but it was better than what we have today.

      How much will the hundreds of millions of dollars that the Govt is going to inject into the system after the new deal with the states going to push up prices of services compared to how many new services?

    • Richard says:

      01:59pm | 08/06/11

      Steve above me (12:58pm) is 100% correct, and its a testament to the shallow and trite thought processes of the rest of you lot that out of 75 odd comments, Steve is the only one to have identified the real problem.

      Socialism is such a deceptively seductive philosophy, I know I used to think that way as well. But History shows us that socialism is defunct. It doesn’t work. All it does is inflate costs and erode quality: always has, always will. The only force on earth that can ensure that quality of service and products increases while costs decrease, that can ensure that efficiency increases while waste decreases, is the natural forces inherent in the laissez-faire free market.

      Any intervention by the government to prevent this benevolent process from taking place will and does directly cause manifest harm, to both the system (which becomes less efficient and more costly) and the tax-payers (who have their tax dollars squandered in ever increasing amounts until the whole system eventually collapses in a disgraceful heap, which in my estimate is going to happen to our system in about 15 years time).

      Milton Friedman states the facts about socialized medicine quite plainly in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPADFNKDhGM , and outlines the true nature of health care in a free market system in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6t-R3pWrRw .

      How on earth can the vast majority of Australian’s allow their minds to be so closed on this issue, and fail to see that the medicare system does more harm than good to the affordability and access to quality healthcare in this country, and should be abolished immediately, before it bankrupts us all.

    • Dan says:

      02:36pm | 08/06/11

      So its got nothing to do with the fact that regulation of everything has gone through the roof and drug companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars just to satisfy regulators that their products are safe?

      And its got nothing to do with the fact that as people live longer, the cures become more expensive and regular?

      I’m not a Labor voter (I don’t support any of them at the moment) but this post reeks of a post by a Liberal staffer or a blind follower. Its rare that anything is caused by one factor (e.g. medicare).

      I’m not saying your argument is completely without merit, but if you’re going to present such a one sided view then it loses credibility. For example how does the PBS affect the costs? How do high rates of sedentary lifestyles affect the costs?

      I’d prefer our health system to most parts of the world.

    • Steve says:

      03:56pm | 08/06/11

      Dan. I am not a liberal staffer. I have restricted my post to the problems that medicare has caused because the topic is medicare. You have pointed out other issues that affect the cost of health delivery but they are issues to be managed and anticipated.  The inflationary impact of medicare just makes those issues even more difficult to manage.

      Our health system may or may not be better than the rest of the world. The valid comparison that I introduced was our health system before and after medicare.

      I an sorry that by introducing the political angle that it upset you. Unfortunately it is something that only politics can fix. Labor would never scrap medicare. they hold it up as a trophy to their reform agenda. Deep down the coalition would but not without a clear mandate from the people. That mandate would never be forthcoming while the majority of the population think fondly of medicare instead of seeing it as a catalyst for medical inflation.

    • marley says:

      08:55pm | 08/06/11

      So, Steve, if private medical care is so financially efficient, why does the US, which relies on the private system, have the most expensive medical care per capita in the world, but rank something like 37th for outcomes?  Maybe private medical care isn’t as cheap or as effective as you seem to think.

    • Steve says:

      11:38am | 09/06/11

      Hi Marley. I think you are confusing private insurance with private hospitals.

      We still had private hospitals before medicare in Australia.

      The US is a good example to prove my point. Medicare takes up 23% os the US federal budget and they have massive medical inflation. You can’t get away from the fact that if you pump money into any system, that which is not taken up with extra services results in increased cost of services.

      To put that 23% of the federal US budget into perspective, defence takes up 20% of the budget!

    • marley says:

      02:57pm | 09/06/11

      @Steve - perhaps I misunderstood your point, or perhaps you misunderstood mine.  My point was that public health care is not necessarily more expensive or less efficient than private.  You can’t compare the cost of private health care available 30 or 40 years ago with what it costs today - the technology and drug costs alone have driven private medical costs through the roof.  The American health care system, which is largely private, is the most expensive in the world, per capita, but certainly doesn’t deliver the best outcomes.  The European public health systems are all cheaper and more effective. So is the Canadian system.

    • Ciora80 says:

      01:55pm | 08/06/11

      There are a lot of horror stories out there from our medicare system. I was 2 months postpartum with an infant in tow when I went to have Implanon put in. I showed up at 9am, they plopped me in a corner, and then forgot about me all day. I kept asking nurses what was going on, but kept getting a runaround. At closing time, a nurse came up to me and told me to leave and come back the next day. I was not about to go through that again, so I started crying. Finally, my GP comes along and tries to give me a prescription for an anti-depressant. She completely forgot what I was there for. Going a day without food or water is not an easy thing to do when you are breastfeeding. My milk dried up and I had to start giving my child formula. This is happened at a clinic that did not bulk bill.

    • Kika says:

      01:58pm | 08/06/11

      I don’t mind our system. Glad we have Medicare. The only thing I hate about it is private health insurance. You pay big bucks for health insurance just to end up having to pay a gap anyway. And if Medicare kicks in and pays some of the cost, there goes your private health insurance. I’d like to know who the author goes through for her health insurance. My ex fund wouldn’t pay if Medicare contributed any towards it.

    • Outraged says:

      04:17pm | 08/06/11

      Everything is so much more dramatic for women!

      “Waah! I had to wait 8 hours when I was in no pain and it wasn’t an urgent emergency!”

      Grow up, Andi!

    • bree says:

      05:05pm | 08/06/11

      zzzzzzzzzzzz snoresvillle!

    • gillian says:

      04:52pm | 08/06/11

      I have to laugh that most people who comment here loose sight of the point of view and hide behind their computer screen to insult the writer, Andi Mastrosavos obviously shared with us a very important and personal experience, only to make the story more interesting!

      Wake up people, you may be able to afford “private” healthcare, thousands cannot.

    • gillian says:

      04:52pm | 08/06/11

      I have to laugh that most people who comment here loose sight of the point of view and hide behind their computer screen to insult the writer, Andi Mastrosavos obviously shared with us a very important and personal experience, only to make the story more interesting!

      Wake up people, you may be able to afford “private” healthcare, thousands cannot.

    • James D says:

      05:53pm | 08/06/11

      Andi, you’re 100% right, this is a disgrace. The ONLY motivation for these medical centres is profit - witness that they are typically owned and managed by people who are not medical professionals. How else could the Edelstens of the world create such ridiculous wealth than by paying peanuts to monkeys and ensuring they don’t give more than a fw minutes to each patient.

    • mary says:

      12:33am | 09/06/11

      Live in England and have health provided by the NHS then complain - you can only go to your local GP where you are registered. You can wakeup illl and not be able to get an appointment for 2 weeks at teh GP you are assigned.
      Private health insurance does not cover the cost of a private GP, so you will be out of pocket $160 for an appointment privately.
      You think medicare is bad now?
      I will take Australia’s system over UK any day.

 

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