Raised on a diet of Disney movies, contemporary society has become so besotted with the idea of heterosexual romance, marriage and weddings, we fail to see the people for the confetti and happily-ever-afters.

Caught up in a Hollywood version of what constitutes a legitimate union, we’re becoming exclusive, political and discriminatory and overlooking what should be a very basic human right: the right of the individual to form a loving, public and legal commitment to another person and have it civilly sanctioned regardless of sexuality.

I find it fascinating and more than a little bit perplexing, that when it comes to discussions of same-sex unions, those best positioned to provide compassion and understanding resort to straw polls, prejudicial language and silencing tactics to proclaim, yet again, the almighty significance of heterosexual unions. 

But this is perhaps where we all need a good dose of history.
Marriage, or whatever else we want to call it, is part of a long and fraught saga. Fundamentally a business transaction between two families since Ancient times, marriage didn’t involve the church until the Medieval period. Even then, most people avoided the clergy (because of rising costs) and opted for civil ceremonies – or union under ‘common law’, fundamentally, a public declaration of commitment before witnesses followed by consummation.

According to Maureen Waller’s book, 1700: Scenes from London Life, the ‘marriage legislation of 1694-6 added a new dimension [to marriage]. For the first time, the state had a vested interest in the formal performance of marriage because of the taxes it accrued from it.’

Waller also reports instances during this period of same-sex marriage, of men literally swapping wives, bigamy, polygamy, secret marriages, back-dated marriages (to legitimise unborn babies), of much misery and little happiness. It was an economic transaction, where women were merely chattels of exchange, and little else.

Writer Daniel Defoe, equated the ‘marriage-market’ to violent rape and, in a very progressive vein, advocated for friendship and respect as the basis of a union.

We would all do well to listen to Defoe.

In other words, this heterosexual institution we idealise has a long, rocky road, littered with the legislative attempts of governments to control it and thus make money and of the church to undermine the government and wrest financial and spiritual control of its flock. 

Discussions about same-sex unions need, first and foremost, to recognise this complex social and sexual history as well as the contemporary emotional, legal and spiritual rights of all human beings. Sexuality does not need to enter the discussion – if it did, how many heterosexuals would want to hide in their sexually-charged, skeleton-cluttered closets?

We also need to redress the language used when having these discussions. Homosexuality is not a choice, nor is it a ‘lifestyle’. Describing it that way homogenises homosexuals and reduces their very sense of self to a sexual act only. Sexuality alone should never define a person.
But what’s so wrong with same-sex unions anyhow? What difference does it make if male or female homosexuals are legally allowed to form an emotional commitment and accrue the business and other benefits of such a transaction? How does it really affect me or you?

If same-sex unions are understood as some commentators have described them, as ‘inverting’ traditional marriage, then we’re all in trouble. If, however, they’re regarded as including anyone who is capable of love and commitment, of choosing to have children or not, and giving the couple public and legitimate recognition, then we’re not only being responsible and wise, but compassionate, tolerant of difference, and inclusive.

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    • Agenda much? says:

      06:44am | 31/07/09

      Is this website funded by the gay lobby? sure as hell seems like it! Gays have to give up on the notion of having marriage it just wont slide with the public, equal rights sure why not but not marriage. It isnt discrimination to offer a union by a different name with the same rights, you cant have it all just accept this and move on, you cant force people to accept you how you are, there will always be a large chunk of society that doesnt agree with your lifestyle and yes im sorry but i think it is a lifestyle. Now come on punch pick up the program and stop belting out one non issue.

    • David says:

      08:42am | 31/07/09

      That really is a narrow minded, pathetic thing to say “Agenda much?” Did you even read that history there? I could tell you some more if you like… Laws and discriminatory views against homosexuality only really started in the Victorian era. Prior to this, it was not illegal, it was practically ignored, even by the Catholic church.
      The reality is, it seems society needs to have something to hate: can’t disciminate against women anymore, nor is it legal to discriminate on the basis of race… however as people believe that the biological sex you love is a choice, its easy to direct your hatred to homosexual men, women and transgendered people. Furthermore, anyody who believes that somebody would CHOOSE to be in a section of society that is often vilified in public is out of their mind, people get executed for being homosexual in other parts of the world.

    • Eric says:

      09:00am | 31/07/09

      Actually, society discriminates against white heterosexual men. Especially in the area of marriage.

    • Tim says:

      09:01am | 31/07/09

      Answer me these hypotheticals then:
      Why can’t people under 18 get married?
      Why can’t a father marry his daughter?
      Why can’t a mother marry her son?
      Why can’t a brother marry his sister?

      These are all as discriminatory as not allowing gays to get married, why aren’t the gay lobby pushing for these to be included?

    • g says:

      09:35am | 31/07/09

      If the institution of marriage was not orginally created by the church, then it holds that we cannot apply the rules of the church and bible where it has to be a man and a woman, thus gay people should be given the right to marry. 

      Howver, if it can be demonstrated that the institution of marriage was originally created by ‘the’ church with a religious backdrop then it holds that the church can apply their belief system to marriage and gay couples cannot get ‘married’ by a church. 

      If that is the case, gay people should be given the right to undertake a civil union and receive the exact same legal rights as a married couple.

    • eag says:

      10:35am | 31/07/09

      Oh Tim don’t be so silly!! Live and let live, there’s room in this world for all sorts of people and it would be a boring place if there wasn’t…what would reactionary bigots do without minorities?

    • iansand says:

      11:11am | 31/07/09

      g@9:35 Ancient Greek people got married.  Ancient Egyptians got married.  Sumerians and Babylonians got married.  Romans got married.  All before God had even invented “the” church.

    • Peter Griffin says:

      11:23am | 31/07/09

      FACT:  there people who choose to be homosexual. FACT:  there people who choose to be hetrosexual. FACT:  there are people who choose to be bisexual. FACT:  there are people who choose to be transexual. For the rest us who do not choose, the vast majority, sexual preference it is not a choice it is an instinct. If the term “marriage” is what we are disputing then perhaps the word should be used by its definition and not its perception.

    • Lois says:

      11:30am | 31/07/09

      Do we also discriminate and cry bigamist when we deny the bisexual individual the right to marry the couple of their choice?

    • lilly says:

      11:49am | 31/07/09

      Lois!  Who said bisexual means that you want to be with a couple???!!! What planet are you from? That is right, planet ignorant!

    • djf says:

      11:51am | 31/07/09

      Tim; how on earth can you confuse incest with a relationship between two consenting adults?

    • Gibbot says:

      12:01pm | 31/07/09

      Tim - your hypotheticals, in order:

      1. They can - with their parents’ permission.

      2,3,4: Because of the likelihood of giving birth to a Family First senator.

    • Billy says:

      12:26pm | 31/07/09

      The gay rights movement don’t want equality they want Christians to change their beliefs about homosexuality. Marriage is a religious custom, please look to the State for “equality”, and leave our wonderful institutions alone.

      I think the voters are wising up to the fact that a vote for KEVIN RUDD’s Labour Party next year is a vote FOR gay marriage. Along with Rudd’s support for overseas ABORTION, he’s looking like an inner-city, latte -sipping atheist. At this rate Labour will atleast lose the seats of Lindsay, Dobell, and Eden-Monaro at the next election.

      It’s unclear if Howard lied to the Australian public while in power, but it’s becoming crystal clear that Kevin Rudd lied to the Australian public when he said he supports Christian values.

    • SD says:

      01:00pm | 31/07/09

      Billy: “he’s looking like an inner-city, latte -sipping atheist.”
      And the more of us the better! Well, I don’t live inner city, and I’m more of a flat white kinda guy, but same same.

      Gibbot:
      *high five*!

    • A says:

      01:01pm | 31/07/09

      No billy i have already seen an interview with Rudd stating he believes marriage should only be between a man and a woman and thank god for that. I’ve seen the other topics on this and my mind remains unchanged, gay marriage is wrong and unatural.

    • Tim says:

      01:13pm | 31/07/09

      Gibot,
      1. So your fine with some forms of discrimination just as long as its not against gays.

      2.Obviously you don’t have an argument.

      Anyone else want to try?

      And as pointed out above we can add another one:

      Why can’t a man or woman marry two or more other people?
      Why is this kind of discrimination OK?

    • Fiona says:

      01:19pm | 31/07/09

      @ Billy, did you not read the article? Marriage as @iansand points out predates religion. Just because you want to claim it for yourselves and rewrite history doesn’t mean you can. Religion doesn’t own marriage, there are many very happily married couples in the world who are atheist for which religion has no bearing. Are their marriages not valid because they do not share your Christian values?

    • Gav says:

      01:30pm | 31/07/09

      Peter Griffin. I followed my instinct and it was towards other men. I didn’t choose to be gay, I just was! smile  Why on earth would anyone want to be gay when there are so many hateful people in the world that despise everything homosexual? We get called unatural, wrong, perverted. Fair suck of the sauce bottle people, I am a bit of a daggy dresser, but hardly unatural!
      I don’t want special rights, I want equal rights. Why is this so hard to comprehend? Why are people so polarised and so filled with fear and hatred? What is it exactly about my average but happy life with my partner and dog and mortgage and work and taxes and beer that so repulses people?  I wish people could let all that anger go, because homos are here for good, we are everywhere, dont you all know/work/live next to one of us yet?  smile)

    • g says:

      01:40pm | 31/07/09

      Billy…

      That’s funny, christian values.

      The same values from a church that throughout history has led some of the worst acts of crimes against humanity and crimes against children.

      Soooo… I think I’ll stick to my latte sipping values thanks matey.

    • Peter Griffin says:

      02:15pm | 31/07/09

      Gav. You vindicated my exact point; our sexuality is an instinct. Rarely and only vey few choose (consciously) against instinct. wink

    • Lois says:

      02:29pm | 31/07/09

      lilly. Ease up mate. Nobody claimed bisexual individuals would actually want marry couples. This was merely cited as a hypothetical example of sexual discrimination. See lilly, I didn’t leave the planet I merely orbited it a few times trying to get an overall view, it’s something I’d highly recommend. wink

    • Eric says:

      02:42pm | 31/07/09

      Tim has done well; nobody has managed to oppose him with any sort of logical argument.

      I have to wonder, why is gay “marriage” so important now, when we never even heard of it ten years ago? Totally not an ideological beat-up, I’m sure.

    • Weird Jimmy says:

      02:55pm | 31/07/09

      “I guess it all comes down to the meaning of the word, and it’s intent. Example: A cow is a creature with 4 legs, horns, that gives milk. Therefore, and creature with 4 legs, horns and milk is a cow, including a goat etc. Marriage is a union of a man and woman. Therefore, if you are getting married one of you must be a man and a woman, even if you’re both men, or both women, or goats. If the definition of marriage is a “union between man and woman”, then it stands to reason that two men or two women can’t be married, even if it is a union. It’s like me going up to a goat farmer and saying “nice cows”. He says “They’re goats.” I say “They have four legs, horns and give milk, ergo they are goats.” What’s the whole deal with the “married” word anyway. Surely the intent of the idea is more important than the word itself. If the activity doesn’t meet the criteria of the word, then it needs a better word. Are you getting me?”

    • Michael says:

      03:25pm | 31/07/09

      On the side issue of whether or not being gay is a choice, people might want to consider that a lot of homosexuals go through a stage of trying to be straight, some of us get over it and go on to be fairly comfortable with ourselves.
      Others and I must say I reserve a high level of contempt for, they maintain the wife and kids and pleasantville lifestyle, while visiting parks and out of the way public places to engage in unsafe sex.

      Sorry Jimmy i don’t get you, i can’t decide whether your a rabid righty trying to link gay relationships with bestiality, or your trying to make the point that in some gay relationships one person is more masculine then the other so in some cases there is a man and a no offence to my flaming queen friends, a woman.

    • Peter Griffin says:

      03:51pm | 31/07/09

      Jimmy’s point is the most valid one here. “If the activity doesn’t meet the criteria of the word, then it needs a better word.”

      If you take the meaning of marriage by the definition posted in Wiktionary thus, then no new word is required and marrige is not sexually exclusive:

      marriage (plural marriages)

      1. The state of being married.
      2. The union of two people, to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.
      3. A wedding.
      4. A close union.
      5. A joining of two parts.
      6. (poker slang) A king and a queen as a starting hand in Texas hold ‘em

      Thanks for listening.

    • MF says:

      03:55pm | 31/07/09

      I find it endlessly amusing (yet sad at the same time) that some of my male acquaintances go on and on about “homos are an abomination” and “gay marriage? they should be shot”...Yet are happy to sit down and watch a couple of lesbians go at it in a home-made porno they found online.  Clearly they only have a problem if it’s 2 guys.  Which indicates to me it’s more about the “squick” factor than any real moral objection.  Makes you wonder about the majority of people who seem to be against gay marriage.

    • Gibbot says:

      03:56pm | 31/07/09

      Tim, if you’re still reading - maybe our love isn’t meant to be, but at least we’ll always have Paris.

    • Tim says:

      04:20pm | 31/07/09

      Ah Gibbot,
      We could have been good.

      It was all too easy for me to play with you.

    • Gibbot says:

      06:30pm | 31/07/09

      Probably not the most fortunate turn of phrase there, Tim.

      It would appear that The Punch & I have slightly differing views of what’s funny (we’re good now though, right guys? [eds - yep]), so I’ll tone down what I tried to write before.

      Three of the four examples you cited are incest, which is illegal because for centuries we’ve known that inbreeding causes birth defects. For examples just look at the royal family, or visit Woy Woy. It is pretty obvious why it’s not a good idea.

      Homosexual marriage, on the other hand, is a matter of equality. Centrelink has no problems recognising same sex de facto relationships for the purpose of docking benefits, yet the ATO doesn’t see things the same way when it comes to tax concessions. This is simply not fair. You’re comparing apples with wheelbarrows.

      The other aspect to this is, quite simply, why is what two people chose to do with their own lives even remotely anyone else’s business? Would you be happy with others dictating what you can & can’t do with your partner?

      Lastly, while it’s pretty much irrelevant, I’d just like to add that I’m not gay. I don’t even know how to apply hair product. This issue isn’t polarised into the ‘straights’ versus the ‘gays’. It’s about what’s right. Not so long ago women weren’t entitled to vote. Up until even more recently Aboriginals were classed as fauna, not citizens. None but the most backwoods mouth breather would seriously consider returning to those times.

      This is just the next logical step in our evolution as a society.

    • Steve B says:

      07:38pm | 31/07/09

      Tim says:
      Answer me these hypotheticals then:
      Why can’t people under 18 get married?
      For the same reason they can’t join the army or take out a mortgage, they are not old enough to enter a legally binding contract, without the written permission of a guardian.

      Why can’t a father marry his daughter?
      Why can’t a mother marry her son?
      Why can’t a brother marry his sister?
      The original reason for these was to prevent in-breeding and the genetic degredation that goes with it. That risk has ‘guided’ pretty much every culture in the world to view such a union as taboo. Does that make it discriminatory? Yes to be honest it does. If the risk of a malformed child is reason enough to discriminate against this type of union then ALL unions between people with genetic conditions that would be passed on to their children should be prohibited for the same reason.

      Why can’t a man or woman marry two or more other people?
      I believe the original intention was to stop involuntary bigamy & polygamy which can do all sorts of strange things to inheritance of property and or titles (remembering these laws are carry over’s from 18th century England) when the ‘other’ wife and kids show up at the funeral.

      Why is this kind of discrimination OK? It’s not, hopefully both will be sorted out in the near future.

    • Josh says:

      08:36pm | 31/07/09

      I’m quite glad that Penbo and The Punch are putting out quite a few different blogs about this, all with fairly different opinions and angles on it and I think it’s great that they’re on top of this issue when so few of their stablemates agree with it or sensational is it (Caroline Overington’s surprisingly good column being the exception today)

      I think at this point we’re just going round and round in circles until something is changed but it’s good to hear a number of differing voices to cut through all the back and forth of it.

    • Krammer says:

      09:17pm | 31/07/09

      It’s all an attempt to mimic the natural order of the human race. It’s actually reverse discrimination against straight people. Australia was founded on Christian-Judeo principles and it gave birth to our laws and way of life. Of course, along with all the rest of the decay in present day society, this is another step in the wrong direction.

      Rudd has bent over backwards to get all supposed discriminatory laws in order so that same sex people could mimic the natural order and feel good about themselves. That old saying of given an inch and they’ll take a mile comes to mind. It all started from the time that homosexuality was no longer deemed illegal. Not that I understand how that could have ever been policed.

      Now, the pro same sex supporters want to bag the marriage title. Hey, fair go, at the very least, put it to a national vote. Hopefully, common sense prevails here in Australia. There’s a huge difference between asking for particular rights so you can feel normal versus wanting to change the very basic unit of society, the family - man, woman, child. Why law should be changed to make a very loud minority with people in very high law changing positions in society feel comfortable in an attempt to counterfeit the natural order, I do not understand.

      Oh, but it will make you feel so happy, warm, fuzzy and accepted in society if you can have the marriage recognition written in to the law. Do you think? Hang on, I thought you had all the other legal rights equivalent to a currently defined married couple thanks to Ruddy’s recent changes? Also, what did I miss? Isn’t your claim as a same sex set up that deep down you are so in love and committed to each other? Why do you need anything else if that is truly the case?

      In closing, who in their right minds ever let children come into this crazy mix? That’s the epitome of selfishness. To ever so selfishly bring an innocent life that has no choice in the matter in to the mix is wrong. Who the heck let that pass? If you think there won’t be issues with that when the child becomes an adult, just wait and see. Time will tell.

      Two eggs and two sperm will never make a baby and science will never be able to change that. If we go back only very recently in time and were to flick a switch so we all went same sex preference, there would go the human race. You perhaps have won over too much leniency in rights, so much so, now you won’t even stop at a civil union recognised title. It’s all about the basic unit of society, the family.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      03:02pm | 01/08/09

      @Krammer there’s no such thing as ‘reverse discrimination’. Saying ‘reverse discrimination’ means that whoever is comminting ‘reverse discrimination’ is doing the complete opposite of what discrimination is.

      While gay marriage may not become a reality in the near future, I’m happy to think that there are a lot of people who are soon going to be eligible to vote.
      These same people have no idea why gay marriage is not allowed.

      I think it’s time to face the reality: Gay marriage will inevitably become a reality. Maybe not in the near future but it’s time is coming.

    • Andy says:

      08:18pm | 03/08/09

      No chase it ISNT, face that reality chump.

 

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