Manliness is about getting swallowed whole by a Great White only to eat one’s way out and emerge triumphant from the waves like Clint Eastwood and John Wayne’s lovechild. Or is it?

He's a lot to live up to…

Maybe it’s about meticulously shaping some designer stubble before effortlessly whipping up an eight-layered vanilla cake. Or, perhaps it’s about chomping on some live shark while simultaneously plating up some exquisite baked goods.

There’s been a lot of talk of late about gender equality and changing perceptions of men and women.

Lines are increasingly blurring as social commentators struggle to definitively describe the modern man (don’t worry, I’ll be staying well away from the whole “modern woman” debate).

Somewhere in Switzerland, deep underground, there is undoubtedly a team of scientists trying to distill the argument down to some sort of golden ratio or formula.

“Eureka!” they’ll cry as they excitedly email their findings to New Scientist, “finally, we can tell young men what they’re supposed to be like”.

But should they? Is it even a worthwhile discussion?

I was raised on a steady diet of 80s and early 90s action extravaganzas (despite being born in the late 80s), which taught me everything I needed to know about the world of men.

Sly, for instance, taught me that the best away to dodge the media scrum after losing a highly-publicised fight is to randomly start screaming your lovers’ name.

Bruce Willis, on the other hand, taught me never - no matter how long the flight was - to remove my shoes in the event of a Euro-trash terrorist attack.

Sigourney Weaver, confusingly, also proved to be an education in masculinity.

Then, of course, there was Arnie- Dutch, the T-800, the man.

Yep, there’s nothing more masculine than killing a Predator with your bare hands while stripped down to your undies and covered in mud.

As I grew older, however, I came to see my childhood heroes as characters that entertained men rather than defined them.

It’s undeniably corny, but my Dad (in my eyes anyway) embodies manliness.

Sure, he can fix cars and sinks and re-tile patios- but I’m not talking about all that “hair-on-the-chest” crap.

I’m talking about the fact that nobody gets to tell that bloke what sort of man he’s supposed to be. He is, for lack of a better phrase, what he is.

His family is his world and defines who he is and he’s proud of that.

He’s decided what sort of person he wants to be and is completely unapologetic.

To me, that’s the essence of manliness.

A real man grabs his destiny by the shoulders and tells it what’s what.

In this regard, a ballet dancer, cane farmer, reformed drug addict, gay rights activist, footballer, professional soldier or poet can all be equally ‘manly’.

Steve Tucker, who recently rose to fame through his unfortunate “Olivia” email, embodies this quite well.

Steve became the focus of national attention - and ridicule – when he emailed 4000 co-workers in his quest to find the mysterious “Olivia” he had met at a nightclub.

As we later found out, Steve suffered from cerebral palsy as a child, which made him a regular target for bullies.

He had zero self-esteem and was resigned to the fact he would never find love.

The frustrated Canberra public servant finally stumbled upon Olivia- a girl with whom he felt an instant connection.

But before the poor fellow could work up the courage to ask for her number, she left the club. Once again, Steve had lucked out with the ladies.

Instead of falling back into his usual pattern of self-loathing, however, he was determined to take back some control.

He steadied himself and clicked “send”.

Steve reckons it was a moment of clarity, one where he made a conscious decision to change his life and define, once and for all, who he was.

A boy lets the world dictate who he is; a man makes up his own mind.

A real man is someone who has the guts to decide what sort of person he wants to be and sticks by it.

He’s someone who fights for his happiness and his right to exist as he wishes, without harming others in the process.

‘Manliness’ isn’t granted; it’s claimed.

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    • Eric says:

      05:10am | 08/12/10

      A very insightful article, with a conclusion that’s spot-on. You’re also right in that the first, often erroneous, impressions of what manliness is about often come from actors in movies.

      Here’s a brief analysis of actors as role-models for men, from someone in the profession.

    • Michael N says:

      09:13am | 08/12/10

      Disturbingly, I agree with you Eric.

      And I would just love to hear a Swiss Scientist yell “Eureka”.

    • Heath Karl says:

      11:21am | 08/12/10

      You read a lot of crap Eric.

    • Helen G says:

      12:19pm | 08/12/10

      ‘Actors as role models for men’.  It’s all in the eye of the beholder.  I see ads aimed at women and we just seem to be obsessed with germs, cleanliness and a world that evolves around the home and nothing else.  They push women to be ‘Super Human’ - we have perfect children, perfect homes, cook perfect food, perfect laundry and then we look perfect with our new lip stick and ‘yummy mummy’ bodies.  Stepford Wives anyone?  Then we get the ‘other’ wife who spends all of her time rolling her eyes at her husband or scolding him like a child.  Arrrggghhhhh! 

      Gender bashing isn’t going to get us anywhere.

    • Pat says:

      10:05pm | 08/12/10

      You become a man when you stop trying to act like one!

    • The masked noms De Plume says:

      05:11pm | 11/12/10

      I would like to add that Im a magnificent specimen and I mean that very sincerly

    • Bec says:

      05:46am | 08/12/10

      Awesome post and spot on. Though, I’d have thought that Brucie was a lesson in *never* taking your shoes off, lest you have to flee a vengeful German terrorist through an office carpeted in broken glass…

    • nosthow says:

      06:09am | 08/12/10

      “Me Tarzan, you Jane” Jason - thats how sheilas want to be treated. All this political correctness wasnt around in my younger day thank god and we grew up tough not big sissies who have to “find their inner selves” ! I like a “balls to the wind” guy , like myself Jason, and the sheilas love it ! All this bloody political correctness has men screaming to escape into what they really are not being urged to “get in touch with their inner feelings” or total crap like that. When I date the honeys they know they are going out with a man not a bloody fairy who crys if his shoelaces are undone. Bravo Bruce Willis - top guy !

    • Daniel says:

      06:24am | 08/12/10

      nosthow, I know you’ve been taught that it’s not ok to show emotion, but c’mon you know you could really do with a hug.

    • KH says:

      06:36am | 08/12/10

      Any man who spoke to me that way would be shown the door, immediately.

    • Super D says:

      07:09am | 08/12/10

      “I like a “balls to the wind” guy , like myself Jason”

      Yet you don’t like Tony Abbott.  I guess he’s just too alpha male for you.  Or is h too much of a rival?  Or are you really a sensitive little boy?

    • emel says:

      07:38am | 08/12/10

      Nosthow you astound me. You must be joking when you say you date the ‘honeys’. No woman in her right mind could spend time with anyone so obviously ‘in touch’ with only himself. I am no fan of PC either, however any version of manliness that involves exposing yourself to the elements for whatever perculiar reason can’t be good.
      Perhaps you should go back and ask your god if women actually enjoy the term ‘sheila’ and if this doesn’t clarify a few things for you, then try baking a quiche and while it is cooking, step into the room of mirrors and see the ‘real’ man for what he is- probably portly, balding and just a tad boring.

    • NicoleG says:

      08:21am | 08/12/10

      @nosthow, you told me the other day you were a SNAG and I believe you. Seriously - Nutty - Aging - Goose !

      Now please excuse me while I throw up.

    • nosthow says:

      08:29am | 08/12/10

      @Daniel keep your “manbag” away from me Daniel ! hahaah No when nosthow dives into the sea off his boat, sharknife between his teeth the sheilas go “ooohhhhh what a man”. Nosthow will never ponce down the street dressed like a fairy carrying a “manbag” girls - and thats a core promise !

    • Vaunted says:

      08:39am | 08/12/10

      I believe I sense a certain irony in Mr Nosthow’s comment.

    • Jim says:

      08:42am | 08/12/10

      Careful nosthow…you are deviating from the Utopian Pipe Dream your Rainbow Overlords spew forth on a daily basis!!!
      You almost sound reasonable…what will be next? Badger acting mature??? Gawd… raspberry

    • DorisDay says:

      09:00am | 08/12/10

      The “Shelias” might want to be dragged back to the cave, Nosthow, but Women like a man who treats us as an individual, who is evolved enough to know that we are more than our gender and takes the time to get to know who we are - the good and the bad. Women also like men like Jason Tin who are able to think outside the gender boundaries society throws around them and are brave enough to figure out who they really are and how they as “men” want to move through the world. Bravo Jaon Tin - top guy!

    • undertow says:

      09:07am | 08/12/10

      How’s the fishing going nosthow?

      Your arms must be tired from reeling in all these fish. Hold a sign in the water that says bait and they bite.

    • John Smythe says:

      09:22am | 08/12/10

      If I ever want to go fishing, I’m taking you along with me! You’ve certainly used the correct bait to get so many bites smile

    • wolf says:

      10:46am | 08/12/10

      “I like a “balls to the wind” guy , like myself Jason”

      Try Oxford Street.

    • nosthow says:

      11:59am | 08/12/10

      @NicoleG says - hey Nicole I have just had a cancellation on my date card for the 2nd Saturday in May - interested ?

    • NicoleG says:

      01:40pm | 08/12/10

      Oh sorry nosthow, but I’m cleaning my oven then.

    • Luce says:

      02:28pm | 08/12/10

      nosthow, you talk as if you have a massive deficiency to compensate for. Ease off with the macho bulls**t. Not only is it nauseating to most women, but it’s annoying to the population in general.

    • nosthow says:

      03:42pm | 08/12/10

      @emel - hey emel its your lucky day ! Nicole cant make my date vacancy 2nd Saturday in May honey - can I pencil you in my love ?

    • Barry says:

      04:51pm | 08/12/10

      Dating the “honeys” on World of Warcraft doesn’t count nosthow, they have to be actual women you can see and touch . . . .

    • nosthow says:

      05:44pm | 08/12/10

      @Barry - been married 3 times Baz, very expensive divorces - could write a book on the honeys fella ! Datings my game these days - lucky gurls !

    • SJK says:

      07:57am | 09/12/10

      “shielas and the honeys”  really ?? Somehow, man or not, you need to learn some manners!

    • Stace says:

      04:20pm | 12/12/10

      Do Notte Feed Thee Troll wink

    • KH says:

      06:37am | 08/12/10

      I would have said a real woman decides who she is, and doesn’t apologise for it, no matter how the world tries to force her into some pathetic stereotype.  This whole argument can be applied to anyone….........

    • Smidgeling says:

      08:36am | 08/12/10

      What’s your point KH? This blog isn’t about women. Not everything revolves around women. This blog is about the conflicting messages males are sent, which can often lead them to a pretty dark place.

    • Lazy Jesus says:

      08:44am | 08/12/10

      I would have said a real women would have the class to let people have an on topic discussion about a subject without trying to selfishly turn it into something about themselves.

    • KH says:

      09:06am | 08/12/10

      Oh whats the matter?  Any subject on this site about women immediately draws the Erics out of the woodwork - don’t like it when it goes the other way then?!

    • John Smythe says:

      09:25am | 08/12/10

      My interpretation of KH’s comment is that the article didn’t necessarily need to be central to “men”. That the message is appropriate to anyone.

      Given the constant drivel about fem this gender that, this article has been one of the better reads. Nothing worse than reading waffle without proposed solutions, or succinct conclusions.

    • Helen G says:

      10:47am | 08/12/10

      Oh, there are plenty of men who hijack posts relevant to or particularly aimed at women.  I was reading one today about women wearing pantyhose and the boys felt the need to tell us how insecure we were.  Honestly!  All that was missing was a comment about how we’re only after your wallet.  Sigh.  At least KH wasn’t actually having a dig at the fellows (calm down) but pointing out a fact.

      I think this is a great article and looks at the character of the man rather than what he wears, drives, earns etc.  So true.

    • GB says:

      01:11pm | 11/12/10

      Oh give it a rest KH. We constantly read articles on a daily basis on how women are treated unfairly, on how they aren’t paid as much and on a million other things women aren’t and will never be happy about. As soon as an article dedicated to men comes about, that’s unacceptable unless it points out something about women? You are one of the many Nazi feminists out there that should just crawl back into the hole you came from. Men are treated like crap in this country compared to women, and apparently for people like you, that’s still not good enough. And it will never be good enough until you have the men in chains doing whatever you want. Go back to your women only gyms and women only clubs, and your sexist family court system. Women are now the sexist, shallow people men once were in this country. Unfortunately we are getting punished for the views our great great grandfathers had.

    • Reg says:

      06:41am | 08/12/10

      Just as well it’s only Wednesday. Such aggression on a Friday may have filled the streets with mayhem and moaning maidens for two nights in a row. But follow this line of thought for the possibility that by Friday night the situation may still eventuate.

      Yes I think imagination is wonderful too, but real manhood is moderating your imagination so that you don’t align yourself with the irrational. And another thing, -destiny- is bullshit and part of that same unrestrained imagination just mentioned. There is no vague shadow in the sand for you to follow or to choose to ignore.  Only semi-coordinated or even drifting electro-chemical charges in your brain. You could follow your perceived destiny and finish up in a pool of blood by the week-end, or you could choose to follow a more moderate path. You do have a choice.

      There we have an example of callow youth accepting as real, the images and situations that Hollywood presents with the full knowledge of what an unreliable source it is. A reproving of the observation that over time the gullible forget the invalidity of the source and adopt the crap they are providing.

    • S.L says:

      06:42am | 08/12/10

      I’ve never been a cop, soldier, secret agent or bodyguard and I have never been in a situation where I’ve needed a gun BUT I do have an ex-wife so I have one requirement to be a Hollywood “real man”!
      I have more hair than Bruce Willis, I am taller them Arnie, Sly and Tom and can scream the “F” word with great regularity if need be but my phone number doesn’t begin with 555****.
      Do I pass the “man test”?

    • Macca says:

      07:07am | 08/12/10

      Top Shelf Jason, definitely your most enjoyable read. Well Done, Sir.

    • Zander says:

      07:39am | 08/12/10

      Think of the alpha male of the tribe. He lead. He fought. He won. He protected. He fed the tribe.

      These days the Afican plains have been replaced by boardrooms and office cubicles. But it is the same story.

      A man must play this to his advantage and claim his right and his life.

    • Vaunted says:

      08:44am | 08/12/10

      There was a time when all men of the tribe had to stand up and be counted, in one way or another, or die. Those heady days are sadly behind us now Zander (sighs, sobs softly under his breath so as not to annoy the missus), back to mopping the floors…

    • Bryndal says:

      09:50am | 08/12/10

      I thought we had moved beyond the notion that we are somehow driven by animal instincts that can not be changed by our huge brains. This is just an excuse for men to behave like they would have on the plains of africa thousands of years ago, today which I am please to say is no longer aceptable.

    • Markus says:

      11:04am | 08/12/10

      Bryndal, noone is arguing that people cannot use their brains to go against their body’s natural instincts (exceptions to a minority of course), but is that really healthy?
      Studies show that the most developed nations in the world also experience the highest rates of depression and other mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.

      Despite people claiming we have progressed so far beyond these ‘primitive’ instincts, the truth is that the human body and brain have not really changed in thousands of years. We have definitely not ‘evolved’ beyond our body’s natural physiological responses.

    • Zander says:

      01:33pm | 08/12/10

      Bryndal
      You can try all you want to deny your primitive instincts. But you will fail. Miserably.

      Men still need to feel as if they are the provider. If not they will get depressed and may act out in self-destructive patterns.

      There really has been very little evolution of the human brain both from a physical perspective and a chemical perspective.

    • Jotun says:

      04:21pm | 08/12/10

      Bryndal, do you know where those instincts come from? The part of your brain which controls emotion, the cerebellum. It’s actually hard to deny our instincts without affecting our emotional state, and going by the statistics showing the developed world’s depression rates etc., it hasn’t helped us for the better.

    • Rossco says:

      07:55am | 08/12/10

      Sean Connery condones slapping your wife if she carries on. True Story.

    • Chris L says:

      06:07pm | 08/12/10

      She shouldn’t carry on, should she?

    • TChong says:

      08:26am | 08/12/10

      “Whats a man now ? whats a man mean?
      Is he rough , or is he rugged?
      Is he cultural and clean?
      Now its all change, its gotta change more,
      ‘cause we think its getting better,
      but no ones really sure”

      Now, if I can add a few more stanzas, and set it to music…,

    • Paranoia says:

      10:03am | 08/12/10

      Coz now and then we wonder who the real men are…

    • martin says:

      08:28am | 08/12/10

      I personally don’t believe there are any real men these days. Society is all too criminal. If you could call it society, it’s more like a mob.

    • Reg says:

      09:32am | 08/12/10

      Just like feeding the chooks eh? The mob will run to where-ever you pretend to throw the feed. I have this sneaking suspicion that Punch staff regard us in the same light while the rooster sits in the background eying off the best prospects for some light entertainment. I’m just not sure whether Jason is the rooster or the feeder, maybe two can play at this game.

    • Smidgeling says:

      08:45am | 08/12/10

      A little bit too “feel good” for my liking. But interesting nonetheless.

    • JRM says:

      08:47am | 08/12/10

      A Ballet dancer and gay rights activist are “manly” ??

      Sorry - that’s stretching it.  They may be forecful and persuasive.  But not manly.

      Manly is all about doing what it takes to be a man. Without compromise.

    • bec says:

      08:59am | 08/12/10

      Much manlier than scared little children in adult clothing who still think that “gay” is a cutting retort. Far manlier than guys who would rather cut off their own foot than hold a handbag because they’re petrified of the opinions of their idiot friends.

      Far manlier than only doing things because they’re “manly” to seem manly. That sort of vain preoccupation with how one *seems* sounds pretty weak-ass to me.

    • Amy says:

      09:13am | 08/12/10

      “They may be forceful and persuasive. But not manly.” People like you make me so sad. You’re that strong tough man down at the pub making poof jokes to his friends aren’t you? The more afraid and threatened you are by other men’s sexuality, your masculinity meter goes down my friend. Then again what do I know, I’m just a girl who goes for MEN who aren’t narrow minded tools. You missed the point of this whole article.

    • Smidgeling says:

      09:18am | 08/12/10

      Maybe a ballet dancer isn’t manly, but I’m struggling to see how being a gay rights activist isn’t. Are you saying being gay means you can’t be a “real man”?

      I’m straight and that’s still hilarious. You sound like a closet case.

    • Carl says:

      10:17am | 08/12/10

      Hey JRM, I’m a “gay rights activist”, and here are some stats about me for you to ponder:
      I’m 6’2”, 115 kg, shaved head, full beard, four tattoos (including a VERY large one). I grew up in the country, and know how to fight, camp, hunt (and have repeatedly eaten food I’ve had to kill myself). I drink beer. I eat more red meat than is probably healthy. I enjoy full-contact sports (both as a spectator and playing) and many other “manly” pursuits. I have even managed to be the only one still standing after a fist fight involving myself against six homophobic rednecks.
      That “manly” enough for you, or am I still only capable of being “forceful and persuasive” because of who I happen to be “intimate” with? I’d like to know you’re reasoning, as I wouldn’t be surprised if I was more “manly” than you are otherwise…

    • Zaf says:

      11:17am | 08/12/10

      @Carl, aka Bear Gryllis.  Calm down, guy.  You know we aren’t scheduled to take over Federal and State Govts to implement the Gay Agenda until early next year….(NOT off topic, because violent coups, also manly, just thought I’d put it out there.)

    • John Dark says:

      02:14pm | 08/12/10

      Carl, since you’re gay, perhaps you could best be described as a “man’s man”? That you eat a lot of meat I have no doubt ...

    • Rach says:

      10:27am | 09/12/10

      Have you seen the muscles on a male dancer, ballet or other? How about a male gymnast, pwoar! I fail to see how that is NOT manly!

    • Wayne says:

      08:48am | 08/12/10

      My wife is 20 years younger than me. She has said to me that women like older guys of my era because we are real men. We treat women as equals, yet also with chivalry. My wife and I are also best friends and partners in all things. A real man is a man that is true to himself, always does what he promises and is a rock of reliability for those around him who depend upon him. Being romantic and sentamental is also part of a rounded male.

    • Daniel says:

      01:33pm | 08/12/10

      How can treating someone with chivalry be treating them as equal?

      For example, if I open a door for a someone because they are female then that sends the message that they are not my equal and they are to be given special treatment because of their gender.

      One can open a door for someone out of respect or love, but if you were in an equal relationship then you would find that just as often the same would happen to you.

      There is nothing wrong with being respectful, reliable, honourable and romantic but when you are the one buying the flowers and the chocolates and paying for dinner don’t tell me me you are treating her as an equal.

    • Gail says:

      02:34pm | 08/12/10

      Then in 20 years time she will be looking after you.

    • Wayne says:

      08:11am | 09/12/10

      Perhaps chivalry was the wrong word. But I was taught that women were equal and special because they could give birth to new life (with some assistance of course). Out of love and respect I buy flowers etc and treat my wife like the princess she is. She also treats me like a king and makes sure I have everything I need. It is called mutual respect. I open doors for both men and women. Men always say thanks, some women don’t. In my honest opinion young men and woman have adopted the bad points of each rather than the best. Men use moisturisers (that scientifically cannot work), women binge drinking. What I am trying to say is that men can be masculine AND gentle, women can be equal AND feminine.

    • The Other Phil says:

      08:49am | 08/12/10

      My only issue with this article is this quote:

      “He’s someone who fights for his happiness and his right to exist as he wishes, without harming others in the process.”

      To me this plainly states that a man must be selfish - he fights for HIS happiness. I can guarantee that your father and mine (and many others) would say they’d put the happiness of the family first, and theirs second. That, I believe, is the most important part of being a man. Family doesn’t have to be the bloodline either, it can be friend or foe. It’s a hard concept to grasp for people these days, but there are people who genuinely enjoy doing things for others, and it makes other people feel good.

    • Reg says:

      09:51am | 08/12/10

      Highly worthy of a bravo!

    • Dan says:

      10:23am | 08/12/10

      I kind of agree Phil, altruism is in short supply, but I don’t see that as a recent phenomenon. I also agree that family is very important.But I think that if you don’t have your own house in order you’re no good to anyone else and I think that is what the article was trying to say there.

      There are people out there who accidentally or deliberately try to bring happy people down. You do have to fight (although not physically) to be yourself and IMO that is the key to true happiness - liking yourself and treating yourself well.

      Great article, its a pity it seems to have missed the mark with a few of the readers here.

    • jj says:

      10:26am | 08/12/10

      Oh dear..I think I am falling for you The Other Phil…:)

    • Phill says:

      10:46am | 08/12/10

      You missed the point.  If a man’s happiness is based on having a happy family then that is what he will fight for.  His family’s happiness and in doing so bring about his own happiness.

    • Dan says:

      11:15am | 08/12/10

      So then is the opposite also true? if he is unhappy is that his family’s fault? Basing your happiness on other people is a slippery slope.

    • Richard says:

      12:25pm | 08/12/10

      You obviously aren’t well-versed in your ‘Modern Family’, false Phil. As the Al Bundy dude says :“That’s the 1st rule of Manhood~ never let anyone else take what’s yours!”

      The only happiness that any man can be responsible for is his own. Any other annexation of the responsibility for another being’s happiness is authoritative selfishness, hiding in the guise of “altruism”.

    • The Other Phil says:

      12:46pm | 08/12/10

      @Dan - it’s not a slippery slope at all. How happy someone is affected by a great many number of external sources, yet they are ultimately in control of their own happiness. We pick and choose what makes us happy, sad, angry etc. I don’t know anyone who bases their happiness on that of others, but I do know of many people who are happy to help people, and obtain that feeling through performing the deed, rather than solely through the resulting happiness of another.

      @Richard - See above in regards to personal responsibility for happiness. Additionally, I made no mention of being responsible for the happiness of the family. I said that men would put the family first, as well as stating there are people who enjoy doing things for others. This is different from claiming responsibility for personal happiness.

      I had no idea altruism, or “unselfish concern for the welfare of others” was frowned upon.

    • Richard says:

      02:05pm | 08/12/10

      If anyone thinks narcissism is about being ‘selfish’, just look at the character of Peter Keating in “The Fountainhead”. Keating and Roark play opposite roles. Keating does whatever to please others. He even denies his heart to marry a ‘beautiful woman’. Roark does only what pleases himself and pursues his own passions. In the end, Keating becomes a broken man while Roark’s inner integrity to his own ego is vindicated triumphantly. Altruism is exposed as to tool of the weak to enshrine mediocrity thus denigrate supremacy.

    • Richard says:

      02:05pm | 08/12/10

      If anyone thinks narcissism is about being ‘selfish’, just look at the character of Peter Keating in “The Fountainhead”. Keating and Roark play opposite roles. Keating does whatever to please others. He even denies his heart to marry a ‘beautiful woman’. Roark does only what pleases himself and pursues his own passions. In the end, Keating becomes a broken man while Roark’s inner integrity to his own ego is vindicated triumphantly. Altruism is exposed as to tool of the weak to enshrine mediocrity thus denigrate supremacy.

    • Richard says:

      02:05pm | 08/12/10

      If anyone thinks narcissism is about being ‘selfish’, just look at the character of Peter Keating in “The Fountainhead”. Keating and Roark play opposite roles. Keating does whatever to please others. He even denies his heart to marry a ‘beautiful woman’. Roark does only what pleases himself and pursues his own passions. In the end, Keating becomes a broken man while Roark’s inner integrity to his own ego is vindicated triumphantly. Altruism is exposed as to tool of the weak to enshrine mediocrity thus denigrate supremacy.

    • biscuit says:

      03:25pm | 08/12/10

      “We are all alone, born alone, die alone, and—in spite of True Romance magazines—we shall all someday look back on our lives and see that, in spite of our company, we were alone the whole way. I do not say lonely—at least, not all the time—but essentially, and finally, alone. This is what makes your self-respect so important, and I don’t see how you can respect yourself if you must look in the hearts and minds of others for your happiness.”
      - Hunter S Thompson

    • The Other Phil says:

      03:37pm | 08/12/10

      @Richard - The analogy you have gleaned from that story is that you can only be one or the other, and there is nothing in between. The problem here is that Keating is pleasing others to his own detriment. Keating seems to have become a broken man because he did what he did not want to do. For a man to properly put others first, he must truly want to do that, and thus would not become such a broken man, for he has satisfied his desires. Regardless of how out of step they may have been with Roarks.

      Or did you just want to say that altruistic people, without knowing their motives, are weak?

    • craig says:

      06:24pm | 08/12/10

      Where in that statement does it say he doesn’t fight for them as well? What if fighting for his happiness is doing things for others?

      Read it again while thinking about those questions.

    • Reg says:

      08:01pm | 08/12/10

      For Dan.

      Dan, in a nut-shell, the idea of falling in love is to offer to each other 50% of the responsibility for making each other happy. The remaining 50% is up to you to dispense and you see fit, such as in self-love, often called self-respect.  Each solemnly agrees to make themselves vulnerable to the other partner to such an extent.

      When you take this delightful mathematical division into account, you may see how if either is pig-head and demanding, the balance collapses. Yes fight for your man-hood guys but remember your partner might have to stand by rolling their eyes wondering how they ever got mixed up with this ape in the first place.

    • Phillip McCrevice says:

      08:54am | 08/12/10

      Great read, but Arnie is Austrian, not Dutch wink

    • John Smythe says:

      09:21am | 08/12/10

      I could be wrong but I believe his character name in Predator was Dutch.

    • notSue says:

      09:35am | 08/12/10

      and Jean Claude is Belgian. smile

    • bella starkey says:

      09:41am | 08/12/10

      It was his character in Predator

    • steve says:

      09:46am | 08/12/10

      Dutch was the name of the charecter the Arnie played in predator

    • Paul says:

      08:55am | 08/12/10

      “He’s someone who fights for his happiness and his right to exist as he wishes, without harming others in the process”

      That is the key to a good life right there, Do things because YOU want to, not based on what you think others expect of you, yet always consider others first.

      I know so many people who live unhappy stress filled lives in giant houses, drive cars and live lives they can’t afford, when if they would just step back and see what truly makes THEM happy you really don’t need that much.

      These same people who I know deep down are at their happiest in front of the TV with a bucket of chicken, yet due to their own perceived social inadequacies believe they need to pretend otherwise.

      Be you for you! Life is so much more fun.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      08:56am | 08/12/10

      What part of “GENDER IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT” don’t you understand.

      All this talk of “manliness” is silly.

      What it is to be feminine or masculine is nothing more than a society “Straight-Jacket”

      Don’t conform to our ugly conservative society !!

      raspberry

    • Bryndal says:

      09:46am | 08/12/10

      I agree Drew - a ‘Real Man’ is no more relevant than a ‘Real Aboriginal’ and just as offensive. Some of the most masculine people I have ever met have been lesbians - and on the flip side the most feminine some drag queen friends. By all means be yourself - but dont ‘be yourself’ in the context of societies gender constructs.

    • Muttley says:

      09:47am | 08/12/10

      yes Drew, lets merge into a single type of being with no discernable male or female characteristics. Everyone can frolic together with no one being wrong or different. What a new age utopia!
        Yippee, lets hold hands and skip down to the shops to look for white jump suits with matching accessories

    • Super D says:

      10:18am | 08/12/10

      “Gender is a social construct” is absolute nonsense.  It’s a biological construct.  If anything western society, by downplaying the need for physical strength on a day to day basis,  has reduced the differences between the genders, not created them.

    • Martin G says:

      10:25am | 08/12/10

      Men are generally physically stronger than women. Women are generally in touch better with their emotional side than men. Get over it.

      Your PC garbage happens to be killing society.

    • Bryndal says:

      10:37am | 08/12/10

      Super D - Sex is a biological construct - Gender is social. Look at the Layboys of Thialand or Sista Brothers in the Soth Paific where men (sex) are acepted as outside of the gender construct of a male. Sex = Nature. Gender=Society. How can you ‘bend’ something that is biologically determined. Where as society has made a hashion out of bending gender.

    • Georginorx says:

      10:40am | 08/12/10

      Drew, did you read any of the article?
      It basically identifies and rejects gender based social constructs from the past and identifies what it means to be strong.

    • AdamC says:

      12:02pm | 08/12/10

      Drew, capitalising something doesn’t make it true, it just makes you look silly.

      Your comment verges on self-satire.

    • Victor Wigley says:

      08:58am | 08/12/10

      The line between genders should be clear, thick and coloured blue and pink: Men are supposed to be men ... Woman are supposed to be woman.  Until blokes can bake a baby, push it out and then lactate this will always be the case ... woman do these things and men protect against outside dangers.  Everything else re the relationship between genders springs from this indelible truth.

      No one cared about Anglinia Jolie when she was an action hero ... they cared about her bum.  She’s not remembered for what she could do to terrorists armed only with a coat hanger and some chewing gum.  She is remembered for that shiny suit. Chicks are’nt supposed to be action heroes ... the’re supposed to save African kids ... something Angelina eventually twigged onto.

      The smudging of the line is where we fall down ... I think it is possible to be equal and clearly different.  An androgynous mate of mine wears jeans that his rather slim girlfriend wouldn’t fit into and adheres to a strict diet to ensure that remains that way.  That’s not manly. Another mate who is a family man with 2 kids plays soccer and gets choked up when his wife puts him down verbally!!!! That’s not manly either.

      Men stand up grab your balls (assuming the’re not of the soccer variety)  and be manly (obviously not like the league team)!

    • bec says:

      09:02am | 08/12/10

      You sound very fearful and irrational. Hysterical, maybe, about what men and women should be.

    • Muttley says:

      09:54am | 08/12/10

      No Bec, not irrational. Just a natural reaction of established thinking responding to societal changes that are being thrust upon us by the PC brigade. Changes needed to happen to bring us out of 1950’s thinking, but sometimes it does feel as though it has gone too far and we are being pushed into creating a society where no one is wrong, everything MUST be accepted regardless of consequences. Where individual rights are more important than individual responsibilities.

    • bec says:

      10:33am | 08/12/10

      Nobody’s “thrusting” anything upon you, unless you’re in a mediocre bodice-ripping romance novel. (In which case, god knows what’s being thrust, apart from nominalised adjectives like “tumescence” and “hardness”. Saucy.)

      You and I both have individual responsibilities. I like that thanks to the suffragettes and people who advocated for suffrage for the working and middle classes ensured I can vote and stand for election, should I feel the inclination. I like driving on well-sealed roads and being treated in well-run hospitals where I am far less likely to die of an infection, malpractice or death in childbirth than even America because I have the responsibility of paying tax, which I pay as a result of keeping a job, which contributes to the community in untold ways. Nobody is arguing against good citizenship, or being a good neighbour or parent or friend. What is being challenged is the irrational and fearful notion that to be any of those things you need to fit a certain scripted mould which hasn’t existed for all eternity. (As an example, the idea of pink being for girls and blue being for boys, which is a) not a historical constant, or even a long-lasting one, and b) culturally specific.) Look to these lefties and I guarantee you’ll find few who are in favour of things that are recognised as being genuinely harmful to society, like sexual assault, or forced slavery, or child abuse. What is being promoted is recognising that some of these things that caused a maiden to recline to the fainting couch with her smelling salts in years gone past have absolutely no bearing on actual community harm. Kids are being brought up by single parents and, shock and horror, the centre of the earth hasn’t melted out through the crust to engulf us all in lava. People wear white shoes after Labour Day and nobody cares. Gay folk are out on the street and in some countries getting married, and that has failed to be the actual cause of the demise of a single heterosexual marriage, as the crazies claimed it would.

      What I argue isn’t politically correct: it’s historically correct. Your idea of what a man is is so damn recent and anachronistic that it bears little to men of centuries past.

    • John Dark says:

      02:26pm | 08/12/10

      Bec, surprise results from studies done in the last 20 years have shown that the single-parent (usually mother) family is one of the single biggest contributing factors to criminal records for the kids when they grow up. Not raining on your parade, just saying. Sorry, I can’t give you a link - your Google-fu is probably better than mine anyway.
      Also, how can something be both “recent” and “anachronistic”, while bearing little (? I assume relation) to men of centuries past.

    • Pooten says:

      09:05am | 08/12/10

      I know you guys hate to clap the opposite team, but in mentioning Steve Tucker’s revelation he had cerebral palsy, you missed an opportunity to underscore another great principle of manliness i.e. admiting that you’re wrong and apologising unreservedly to someone you’ve hurt. The SMH’s Sam de Brito wrote a blog last week tearing shreds off Tucker - really puting the boot in. After reflecting on his poor judgement and the unhelpfulness of his words, de Brito pulled the blog off the web afer a few hours and replaced it with a full and frank mea culpa, plus an unqualified apology to Steve Tucker. Several days later, Tucker wrote to de Brito and divulged the fact he had cerebral palsy (and a whole lote more to boot). While it’s right to cite Tucker’s contribution to manliness, I reckon de Brito deserves a man-medal all of his own.

    • Macca says:

      10:21am | 08/12/10

      @pooten, hence his Blog is called AMAL

    • Helen G says:

      10:53am | 08/12/10

      Sam de Brito does not deserve a medal!  He pulled down the post after complaints not because he felt bad.  He was in a position of power and used it to shoot someone down.  He was smug.  All he said was ‘I apologise’.  Insincere.  Politicians apologise .  Real men say ‘sorry’.

    • Tim says:

      11:37am | 08/12/10

      Why does Steve Tucker having cerebral palsy matter?
      His letter to Sam De Brito seemed more of a whinge than any contribution to manliness.
      I think Sam De Brito’s first column was more on the mark, than his second.

    • Rio says:

      09:07am | 08/12/10

      Mr Tin, it is wonderful to see such poetry - and about bloody time too! My husband is 17yrs my senior and I wouldnt have it any other way. He is perfect - he can cook better than any chef I have known (he is italian), he is ex special forces (so is tough and strong when required), and he is the most passionate and loving man I have ever met, and definitely the best father I know (I am sure there are some great ones out there I havent met). He says he always wanted to be a Renaissance man - a man that was and could be and do everything - and he is. I agree with your dad, a man is someone who knows what he wants to be and wont make apologies to the world if they dont like it. If its good for a woman, why shouldnt it be good for a man?

    • Bruce says:

      09:13am | 08/12/10

      lol - what a load of BS. Winning women and wannabe men - get a life you pack of morons.

    • marley says:

      10:35am | 08/12/10

      Now this isn’t a very manly response, it’s just an ignorant one - and is your name really Bruce, by the way?

    • Amy says:

      09:17am | 08/12/10

      OH MY GOD. Do people like you really exist? Where is the location of your rock? I’ll come and help you out, it’s 2010 now, time for you to look around and socially progress a few hundred years. Creepy!

    • Jamie says:

      09:47am | 08/12/10

      Shouldn’t you be in the kitchen preparing dinner Amy?

    • Martin G says:

      10:16am | 08/12/10

      Give me a break. 90% of women would go for the real man over the nice guy who is ‘in touch with his feelings’. You are in denial.

      No woman wants a pansy, unless she just wants someone to walk all over to feel good about her own insecurities.

    • iansand says:

      10:37am | 08/12/10

      What about a real man who is in touch with his feelings?

    • marley says:

      11:52am | 08/12/10

      @Iansand - exactly - there’s nothing about being a real man which says he can’t also be a gentle man, or even a gentleman.  Manliness is not defined by how many barroom brawls you’ve notched up by the time you’re 30.

    • Elkabella says:

      09:27am | 08/12/10

      I agree wholeheartedly with your comments.  Confidence and an ease in his own skin is definitely the epitome of a “manly” man to me. 

      Just a head’s up regarding this statement - “Steve suffered from cerebral palsy as a child”  -  Cerebral Palsy is a permanent disability caused by a lack of oxygen to the brain in the womb/during birth.

    • Lee says:

      03:54pm | 10/12/10

      WRONG!! It can happen during childbirth, but is not the only reason. We now know cerebal palsy occurs earlier on in the pregnancy and can also be aquired post birth due to illness. Google is your friend…

    • David Lee Roth says:

      09:43am | 08/12/10

      @Phillip McCrevice, “Dutch” is the name of the character Arnie plays in Predator

    • Jamie Raper says:

      09:44am | 08/12/10

      I agree with Vic completely. A major factor in the beauty of women is their natural submissive behaviour. They like to be dominated by men and it’s only women who don’t get enough action that play the ‘equality’ card - much like how ugly fat people turn emo or goth. Deep down all women know that if they were guaranteed a strong, loyal, manly man for keeps, they would snatch him up and hold on for dear life. It’s natures way. And another thing…in nature men are supposed to be fit and lean and strong - we are animals after all. Men who eat too much and smoke and don’t exercise are not real men but just poor excuses yearning for sympathy.

    • bec says:

      10:34am | 08/12/10

      Appropriate surname is appropriate.

    • notSue says:

      09:51am | 08/12/10

      Interesting, definitely.
      All this gender uncertainty,( which isn’t even a physical certainty for some), is not all bad. Yes, it has produced confusion and pain for many, I get that, but if in the process we redefine what it is to be truly human, to be a part of a gender continuum, (which it is in reality) and find our individual levels in the world, free from the expectations of others, I think we’ll eventually find that this is the age where all of us, who live in an environment where personal freedom is cherished, will be truly liberated.. by grasping our own lives by the scruff of the neck, as Jason is saying.  I like it. Big tick.

    • Atheistno1 says:

      09:54am | 08/12/10

      I was unaware there was a ‘formula’ for the human gender but the formula for equality is equity & that also means to remove the discrimination & bias that is being used in the Family legal system.

    • DH says:

      10:30am | 08/12/10

      Great article, mate, and quite possible that your Dad is crying over it proudly as I type… ;o)

    • grumpy old man says:

      10:35am | 08/12/10

      Popeye defined a man:

      ” I yam what I yam and I yam what I yam that I yam / And I got a lotta muscle and I only gots one eye / And I’ll never hurt nobodys and I’ll never tell a lie”

    • candy hunter says:

      10:36am | 08/12/10

      claim manhood? Earn manhood?
      There are no men in the world

    • grumpy old man says:

      12:15pm | 08/12/10

      are you speaking from experience?
      is this wishful thinking?
      or are you talking about some strange world you inhabit on your own?

    • steve says:

      01:32pm | 08/12/10

      Sounds like a feminest

    • Flying Kingswood says:

      10:37am | 08/12/10

      Matt Parker and Trey Stone (of South Park, Team America Fame) summed it up in song:

      HEY!

      what makes a man, is it the power in his hands?
      is it his quest for glory?
      Give it all you’ve got, to fight to the top.
      so we can know your story.

      now you’re a man, a man, man, man.
      now you’re a man, a manly, manly man.
      a man, man, man.
      you are now a man, you’re a man.
      now you’re a man.

      [Guitar solo.]

      LIVE IT, LIVE IT!

      what makes a man, is it the woman in his arms?
      just cause she has big titties?
      or is it the way, he fights every day?
      No, it’s probably the titties.

      now you’re a man, a man, man, man.
      now you’re a ma-man, a ma-ma-ma-ma-man
      now you’re a man, M-A-N man, man.
      man, man, maan.
      now you’re a man.

      [Music slowly fading.]

    • Andrew Whitehouse says:

      10:41am | 08/12/10

      Well done mate. Great post

    • Duff says:

      11:47am | 08/12/10

      i really liked this article.  the only problem with it is that your central thesis, that “a real man is someone who has the guts to decide what sort of person he wants to be and sticks by it”, could easily be applied to women as well.  At least in today’s society it could.

    • BK says:

      11:57am | 08/12/10

      Nice bit of light reading, but I cannot believe that it has been over-analysed to this extent. It is nice that men are standing up for ourselves, but lets not deconstruct everything ever written about us like the feminists used to do.

    • Jim says:

      12:00pm | 08/12/10

      Absolutely brilliant. Totally agree with the point about your father.

      I also love someone posting ‘Now You’re A Man’ from Orgazmo! haha.

      It’s a damn shame this article is stained by the third comment from “nosthow”. An exact example of a guy who is not a man. Just a pig.

    • jim morris says:

      12:29pm | 08/12/10

      No offence Jason but you read like a boy wanting to be a (good) man. The interesting part, for me, was the guy sending out emails to try to find the girl he fell in love with. It was romantic but the poor guy was lucky to not lose his job because it has become ‘stalking’. The love vandals are reeking havoc on heterosexuality and gratuitous niceness is letting them get away with it.
      PS. A man, for millions of women, is a plastic tube with a battery in one end.

    • Theo says:

      12:41pm | 08/12/10

      ‘He’s someone who fights for his happiness and his right to exist as he wishes, without harming others in the process.’  That’s an important part.  Being an arrogant asshole and ripping shreds off other people for your own personal amusement is not being manly.

      The other point mentioned was knowing when you were wrong and to take responsibility for it and apologise.  That takes real courage.  Something that a lot of ‘manly men’ don’t have.

    • Steve says:

      01:02pm | 08/12/10

      Manly = Doing what you have to do, going to a job you don’t like to work with people you loath to support and provide for your family that you love to death and would do anything for. hanging out with the kids on the weekends. Cooking up a meal for the family when you get home from work. Supporting your mates when they need you in times of trouble, helping the bloke down the street paint his fence. But this is just my opinion each person has there own opinion of what it takes to be a man

    • Richard says:

      01:12pm | 08/12/10

      Manliness is swimming a river, climbing a mountain, chopping a tree, killing a beast. Manliness is an indomitable mind and the courageous heart of a lion. Take up your sword of adventure and your shield of optimism and attack the world with purpose. Life is so much more enjoyable as a masculine figure than a nerdy androgynous dweeb.

    • notSue says:

      04:20pm | 08/12/10

      Back to your cave, Ug.

    • AnthonyG says:

      06:34pm | 08/12/10

      Spot on Richard

    • Richard says:

      07:54pm | 08/12/10

      On the contrary, as a man I must escape from the cave of convention: the cage of collective judgemental society.

      To move forwards into unknown territory like an intrepid explorer, driven by curiosity and ambition, is the modus operandi of a man.

    • Teri says:

      01:50pm | 08/12/10

      I consider my partner a real man.  He is an excellent husband, great father of our 4 children.  He can fix just about anything, is a great listener, wonderful provider and a great friend.  We share most things in our household including the housework. He is also an outdoor person, great mountaineer, bushwalker and cross country skiier.  He can lead a ski trip without getting lost and motivate the family to come along.
      A real man doesn’t have to go through an army training to prove to me that he is a real man.

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      02:52pm | 08/12/10

      Wow…a tuff act to follow…book him for “Survivor-Macho”...a sure million dollar winner.
      As for myself…i’m not great at anything although at 6’2” 220 i resemble a man.
      I’m not good at fixing things or leading people and although i don’t “talk the talk” i can “walk the walk” if needed.
      I see being responsible and taking reponsibilty for my actions as a big part of my make up.
      I’m self willed and self opinionated and probably be the first one voted off “Survivor-Macho”.

    • Andrew says:

      01:57pm | 08/12/10

      Men have the self assurance/belief of Granny Weatherwax.

    • Nickole says:

      11:08am | 12/12/10

      If I was in a tight spot, I would want Granny next to me.

    • Cate P says:

      02:04pm | 08/12/10

      You’re on the right track Jason Tin; your observations of your dad were spot on, that is a man.

    • Luce says:

      02:06pm | 08/12/10

      I think this is a very good article.  The only thing I would say, however, is that this philosophy should apply to everyone, regardless of their gender.

    • Jordan says:

      02:21pm | 08/12/10

      Real men don’t eat quiche!*

      *unless they make it themselves, which i often do, as it is incredibly easy to make and frightfully tasty, particularly if you use greyure cheese and a splash of vermouth.

    • Luce says:

      02:48pm | 08/12/10

      Jordan, that’s just fantastic. And greyure cheese is the bomb p.s.

    • bec says:

      05:22pm | 08/12/10

      What does the vermouth do? I need to know this!

    • The Badger says:

      06:23pm | 08/12/10

      cook off some leeks in bit of vermouth and add them to the other ingredients when you put the quiche together.
      Vermouth is slightly oxidized wine and herbs. Get Noilly Prat.

      Vermouth and dry white wine are substitutes for each other. The difference apart from the herbs, is that Vermouth will keep for years in the cupboard and white wine will go off rather quickly.

    • Jordan says:

      09:47am | 09/12/10

      Thanks Badger - spot on!  Noilly Prat is probably the most important item you can have in your pantry.  You can use it almost in everything.  I get excited just looking at the bottle.

      Er, ahem, in the privacy of my own home, of course.  Never in front of children.

    • Steve says:

      02:34pm | 08/12/10

      I loved it recently when a friend commented on how I’m so hard to define since I embody so many things that are normally contradictory. I’m a sci-fi/computer geek but I’m also a sports jock / workout junkie / martial artist. I’m a devoutly religious family man who’s never touched drugs or alcohol and quite an academic, but I’ve also DJed for years at top night clubs and raves. I love out-door things like camping but I’m hopeless at fixing cars and I’m more comfortable in the kitchen than the shed.
      In some ways I fit the stereotype image of a man but in other ways I contradict it completely. That suits me just fine. My best mate’s my wife with my kids close behind and they think I’m man enough.

    • Old Salt says:

      02:58pm | 08/12/10

      Like!!! Good on ya Steve.  I’m similar, love to surf, love taking photos, love hanging out with my fiancee, don’t drink too much anymore, ride a bike, hit the gym, spend heaps of time on my computer, like self-help books, like reading, absolutely love cooking and think my family (despite all their little foibles) are awesome!  My role models as men is my dad and my grandfathers.  They weren’t/aren’t perfect, but they tried their best to look after their families.

    • Daryl Saal says:

      10:08pm | 10/12/10

      Agree with you Steve that men don’t come in neat packages, yet I seem to be your mirror in many ways. I was good at sport when i had to be in boarding school but can’t stand to even watch it now; yet in most other ways I’m the stereotype having built houses and cars from scratch, grown up on a cattle station, can butcher a cow or sheep, program a PC, fly a plane or a racing car, use most weapons expertly. My male mates cover all bases from camp gays to professors to real blokes, yet my best mates are my wife and family. If you have a few hours to spare ask me about my grand daughters.

    • Grumpy says:

      03:46pm | 08/12/10

      This was one of the best posts ive read here so far..Good stuff smile

    • wally the worker says:

      04:07pm | 08/12/10

      Maaaaate, you need to get out a bit more, not just write a piece that’s going to justify your position by readers comments, except those who say, maaate, you need to get out a bit more. Just do it son. You’ll be surprised what you can do. I’ll ask you a question, Have you ever done anything which needed you to rescue a child or, or which you might percieve your actions might guarantee a child might be saved from death or serious injury, by your own actions, by placing yourself in danger of losing your life? No? Most of us don’t. I’ll take a punt you would do this. Most men would. You don’t have to prove it.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      04:09pm | 08/12/10

      John Wayne wasn’t manly, he “ACTED” manly but reality was that he saw no military service & was always in a safe place. Personally I wonder if he was gay or at least bisexual

    • stephen says:

      05:56pm | 08/12/10

      Well he was manly in real life too you know. But naturally, he may have found males and females attractive.
      No disrepancy there.
      That you mention military service - well you don’t have to be a soldier to express manliness. In some cultures just breeding is sufficient evidence. (Ever notice that when a husband and/of wife get on a bus they make a show of their offspring, as if to let us up the back know that at least they can do something right ?)

      Manliness has been writen about a lot, and unfortunately I have to disagree with most…except Homer and Virgil.
      And that is that physical strength - or perhaps it is only a more abstract ‘physicality’ - is finely tuned to create in our soul a feeling of uprightness, generosity and a great capacity for love that once upon a time only the Gods could assign us.
      To use our bodies as men is good for our feelings.
      (Women can use their bodies likewise, but please, never in the kitchen.)

    • nosthow says:

      05:47pm | 08/12/10

      I only wish I was born in the 1920’s so I could have given Johnny Weissmuller a run for the role of Tarzan !

    • AnthonyG says:

      06:27pm | 08/12/10

      Being a man is about making your family feel safe and being able to take them anywhere they want without shitting themselves.

    • John in Alice says:

      07:00pm | 08/12/10

      You might try doing some research before shooting off your stupid mouth. Check in wikipedia!  Wayne was married 3 times with a few affairs on the side, and produced 4 children!  Gay? You are delusional!
      While his war record was controversial,  he worked hard in later years to make up for not having enlisted - probably out of guilt.
      He wasn’t perfect - but he had the balls to stand up and speak out against what he felt was wrong.  I’m proud to have been named after him, but could never live up to his strength of character.

    • Max Redlands says:

      10:49am | 09/12/10

      If you haven’t already, check out the BBC productions Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes and the force of (super)nature that is DCI Gene Hunt

    • Chrissy says:

      08:44pm | 09/12/10

      I have to agree with this article - to be perfectly honest, nothing is as attractive as a man who is confident (and usually works hard and has pride in both himself and his work - for some reason these things seem to go together) no matter what field he is in. Even if it is some of those seen as “less traditional” for men to be involved within.

    • Scott says:

      04:13pm | 10/12/10

      This is an interesting article, but I’m not sure I agree with its main contention. 

      If masculinity is to survive the increasing androgyny of modern society, men will need to change their current practices and return to those that were accepted throughout history as being typically male.  Masculinity is an expression of man’s fundamental biological qualities, and does not merely change with society - it could not be said, for example, that an effeminate homosexual man is ‘manly’ in any meaningful sense, as he does not exhibit the basic personality type and behavior of the traditional man, and instead exhibits behavior and preferences that have typically been attributed to women.

      However, it is becoming increasingly unlikely that masculinity will be salvaged from the wars being waged against it, as gender-ambiguity continues to spread, fueled by the fashion industry and pop-culture.

    • Stuart James says:

      04:52pm | 10/12/10

      Many of todays unreal men use more perfumes and makeup than a woman,drink traditionally female drinks,lite beers or a beer with lemon to hide the beer taste,don’t use the urinal to urinate but use a cubicle instead,dress in feminine like clothing and scream like a girl after a few drinks at a pub or club.

    • Mildy says:

      07:33pm | 10/12/10

      Sigh - where are these unapologetic men

    • Todd says:

      09:32am | 11/12/10

      Jason, you define manliness as the act of NOT defining manliness. So you’re either unmanly or your post is flawed. Which is it? Time to man up, me thinks.

    • radical53 says:

      01:09pm | 11/12/10

      Gay men’s masculinity has always been questionable. I don’t think gay men know how to be men.

    • Greg says:

      04:51pm | 11/12/10

      A lot of the time its about decisions, and accepting the consequences of them, men of today simply just cant make them or accept the consequences that those decisions have.

      A large number of men today are pussies and would rather have other people make those decisions for them, I`m sick and tired of the whinging and the whining - get on with it guy`s, life is to short as it is.

    • SoylentGreen says:

      12:03am | 12/12/10

      Inexperienced women always go for the ‘bastard’ type. When they wake up after much mistreatment they figure out that the good guys whilst not as ‘manly’ treat them well, work hard and are good carers.

      Also good men are politically aware and have opinions past what colongne to buy. Probably why Joolia G is still unmarried. Was that an illegal comment?

      People figure this stuff out for themselves on a daily basis. Try a geek date girls. Or not. My wife is a hottie - Way out of my league by high school standards. She loves me and I her, for who we are to each other.

      We both debate scifi, politics and cooking as we see fit. But never argue.

    • Andy says:

      06:14am | 12/12/10

      “A boy lets the world dictate who he is; a man makes up his own mind.

      A real man is someone who has the guts to decide what sort of person he wants to be and sticks by it.

      He’s someone who fights for his happiness and his right to exist as he wishes, without harming others in the process.

      ‘Manliness’ isn’t granted; it’s claimed”.

      The problem with this theory of ‘masculinity’ is that it could just as easily apply to females. Which I think gets to the real truth of the matter. We’re all just human in the end and need to let go of pre-defined gender roles and simply be who we are. Feminists have been saying this for years.

    • Boyd Robertson says:

      11:23am | 12/12/10

      Sweet article, Fez

    • man o man! says:

      01:17pm | 12/12/10

      What is the definition of a real man anyhow? As we can see from all the comments it’s really a matter of opinion. If you are comfortable with who you are then that should be good enough. I am. If your not then make some changes. If you can’t find anyone to accept you as you are then maybe you need to make changes also (probably why Nosthow has bee married 3 times and only dates). A good thought provoking artical with stella end, in my opinion, you can have your own opinion your allowed to because its YOUR opinion. For any who are interested Steve Biddoulf’s book mnahood is a great read on this subject regardless of gender or sexual preferrence.

    • realworldwatcher says:

      02:59pm | 12/12/10

      Andy - copout mate!! I think Jason makes some good points - although ducks ‘n weaves cleverly through the politically correct-eze that dominates our society these days.
      I am increasingly worried when our little boys are made into nice little girls by their teachers, however am cheered up by the fact that a government can let the women and children out of immigration detention, but not the men. [Hmm. And no-one thinks this is somehow politically incorrect in these days of equality? Not a murmur from society was uttered!] The point - nature, nurture and environment dictate that men should not tread the “feminisation of the world” pathway. My advice to fellow men - stick to your guns, ‘cause in the end that’s what society will require of you. Stand tall, face the bully, stay aware. Above all, to thine ownself be true.

    • Adrian says:

      04:13pm | 12/12/10

      So what really defines manliness? Well to be honest is there really such a thing as manliness. It would seem, and judging by the comments that you are all searching for and trying to define something that ulimatly does not exist. All you are trying to do is genderise what men should be.  I’m male, but don’t like alot of the so called manly things and like drinking, contact sports and so on but do prefer some girlie type things.  But does this make me less of a man… No of course not.  We are who we are and instead of trying to try and define who we should be we should just be ourselves and enjoy our time here.

    • Ray says:

      04:05pm | 13/12/10

      back in the day women complained that guys aren’t sensitive enough and that they should clean the house and bake things and wear pink and watch sex and the city…now they complain that there aren’t enough manly guys anymore…gee i wonder whyyyy…...*rolls eyes*

    • Marie says:

      02:34pm | 16/12/10

      And I thought journalists were supposed to be objective and open to opinion; in order to ensure that an event isn’t tainted by bias. But then, that’s the fastest way to start debates and to spread news like wildfire.

      Everything doesn’t have to be defined according to masculinity! Women have their rights and roles as well. We’re branching out from being the traditional wife and mother to being on top of Forbes’ Richest People list. Like J.K. Rowling for example, who is worth billions more than Queen Elizabeth, because she amazingly penned stories of wizards and magic,.

      Look at Julia Gillard, she’s our first FEMALE Prime Minister, and no matter how controversial her authority is.. she’s revolutionising how women can direct the future of the 21st century. She’s in a position of leadership and power; something that men seem to think they always have.

      Not only is Julia Gillard PM, but Quentin Bryce is our Governor-General. She, too, is in such a significant and politically important role as a representative of the Queen. Maybe men used to think that only they deserve such prestigious roles.

      Not insulting or poking fun at anyone, but I really think that it is time men scooted over to make room for women on this societal/political couch!

 

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