The leadership of the Liberal Party will be decided today in Canberra. Punch editors will be posting news, commentary, pics and video as they come to hand here throughout the day. Times are AEDT. Refresh this page for updates.

5.29pm: David Speers of Sky News shares his thoughts in a blog post titled “The Abbott experiment”.

Joe Hockey isn’t rushing to the backbench so fast. He’s talking to Tony Abbott about whether he will stay as Shadow Treasurer. If he does, it will be difficult to show any unity on emissions trading.

In many ways this result may be a blessing in disguise for Joe Hockey. He’s still in the leadership mix, should Tony Abbott implode.

More here.

5.12pm: Bob Hawke, always worth quoting. Here’s what he said today, from AAP:

“I couldn’t have written a better script myself if I sat down and thought about it for, you know, months,” Mr Hawke told reporters.

“Seriously, I don’t want to gloat in the misfortunes of the opposition `cause I think it’s important in a democracy to have a reasonable and functioning opposition.

“They were making such a bloody mess of it I hope genuinely, to some extent, they get their act together.”

Asked what kind of leader Mr Abbott would make, Mr Hawke replied in one word: “temporary”.

4.39pm: More international coverage from the Wall Street Journal (Abbott could push Australia to the right) and Reuters (‘Mad monk’ Australia opposition head to fight CO2 laws).

4.38pm: Barnaby Joyce on Tony Abbott: “We’re looking at a person of immense capabilities here and now it’s a case of keeping the show together and give the Australian people a clear alternative to (Prime Minister Kevin) Rudd’s massive new tax.”

4.30 pm: Tony Abbot has told Channel 9 that he can’t guarantee that every senator “will do the right thing” when asked whether senators will cross the floor.

4.27pm: Julie Bishop says on Sky News she voted for Malcolm Turnbull in both leadership votes today.

4.19pm: What the nation is tweeting about this afternoon. From trendsmap.com

Snapshot of topics in Australian tweets this afternoon

 

2.59pm: International reporting of the Liberal leadership change… Bloomberg reports:

Abbott, a former amateur boxer who trained as a priest, defeated ex-Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executive Malcolm Turnbull by 42 votes to 41 in a leadership ballot, party officials said in Canberra today. The contest capped a week of infighting after Turnbull’s support for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd emissions- trading plan split the opposition coalition.

And uses this quote:

“The public are absolutely appalled at the way in which the Liberals have conducted themselves,” said Nick Economou, a politics professor at Monash University in Melbourne. “They now have a leader who really polarizes the community. I cannot see how the coalition will win the next federal election.”

More from Bloomberg here.

Also reports from the BBC and the Wall Street Journal and AFP.

2.50pm: The Greens say they expect a vote on the ETS by the end of today in the Senate. “I don’t expect the government is going to filibuster, so I would think we’re heading for some determination later today,” Bob Brown told reporters in Canberra.

2pm: Abbott confirms end to flirting with Julia Gillard

1.54pm: ABC election analyst Anthony Green explains the possible election scenarios here.

1.18pm: New commentary now on The Punch ... David Penberthy on Tony Abbott, Tory Maguire on Julie Bishop, the Stepford deputy, Mark Kenny on implications for Labor, and Kevin Andrews on the role of the opposition.

Plus - we have a present for Tony Abbott: A pair of boardshorts. Worth 3 points in the polls, surely.

12.49pm: Tim Blair writes: “... mere seconds into his leadership, Abbott was already a more effective leader than was Turnbull. Excellent.”

And Andrew Bolt:

It was Abbott’s stroke of genius to have asked the party room immediately after his win to have a secret ballot on whether or not to pass Rudd’s tax. It’s given him a tremendous mandate, and settled those media claims that the party was keen on the wretched tax on everything.

More here.

12.44pm: Pictures from this morning’s events Canberra…

The new Liberal Party leader, Tony Abbott, with deputy Julie Bishop. Pic: Ray Strange

Malcolm Turnbull and wife Lucy walking out to speak to the press after the partyroom meeting. Pic: Ray Strange

12.27pm: Melbourne’s Herald Sun runs with Abbott’s assertion he’s ready to fight an election over the ETS.

On heraldsun.com.au

12.20pm: A Coalition source says at least four senators will definitely cross floor on the ETS. “It is still going to be close,” the source said. - Penbo.

12.11pm: Malcolm Farr writes at The Daily Telegraph:

Kevin Rudd now has an opponent who will not squib from heading off in his own direction and forcing the Government to react.

The Government will depict this Liberal decision as a mad dash for the past by the party and a return to discredited policies which cost the Coalition the 2007 election. 

More here.

12.06pm: Hockey’s future: He said he will be meeting with Abbott to discuss if he will serve as shadow treasurer. Indicates he will. “I’m not a quitter” he said.

12.05pm: Tony Abbott has just said to the House of Reps - “I have, in the past, been accused of flirting with the Deputy Prime Minister. That must immediately cease.”

11.53am: Asked if he is using “coded language” to signal to Liberal Party senators to cross the floor and vote against the ETS, Hockey replies: “My views are clear.”

11.46am: Joe Hockey: “I am not a climate change sceptic. I am someone who believes the Earth deserves the benefit of the doubt.” Says he sought to honour the deal the government had put on the table.

“Malcolm remains a good mate,” he says of Turnbull.

Acknowledges that offering the opportunity to have a free vote some may describe as “weak”... “Well, my view is every individual should have the courage of their convictions”. Said “given the depth of feeling within the party, I could not compromise my principles”.

Abbott has his “full support” and he will be talking to him about his future role in the party.

And here’s a picture:

Hockey approaches the press pack

11.38am: Joe Hockey due to speak at 11.45am. At The Australian, blogger Jack the Insider is holding a live blog now to discuss Abbott’s leadership .

11.36am: Samantha Maiden at The Australian has a wrap-up of Abbott’s press conference here.

11.14pm: Interested observers… Liberal MPs including Sophie Mirabella, seated, Pat Farmer and Wilson Tuckey, as well as party federal director Brian Loughnane, watching Tony Abbott’s first press conference as Liberal leader.

MPs watching Abbott's press conference

11.12am: Asked about how his record will affect him as leader, Abbott says: “I accept that at times I have stuffed up….but when you become leader you make a new start.”

11.07am: And here’s a picture:

The new Liberal leader

11.07am: Tony Abbott sounding really convincing as he lays out the grounds on which he will fight the next election. You can say many things about Abbott, but at least you know where he stands - Tors.

11.04am: Abbott confirms support for the government’s emissions reduction targets. Commits to “strong and effective” policy on climate change.

11.00am: Abbott fires up in his first press conference as leader. Says he is “not frightened” of an election on the ETS, which he describes as a “great big tax to create a great big slush fund” that would provide politicised handouts from the bureaucracy.

He confirms if the Opposition cannot get the support of the cross-benches to defer the ETS legislation they will oppose it in the Senate.

10.57am: The ETS deserves “the most rigorous scrutiny” by the Parliament, says Abbott.

10.56am: Abbott appears. “Obviously there are some wounds that do need to be healed. I have said to my colleagues that I will do my best to be a consultative and collegial leader. Political parties don’t work when people just announce what they do and expect everybody to follow.”

“I particularly want to pay tribute to Malcolm Turnbull… I really meant it when I said in recent days that my respect and admiration for Malcolm has grown enormously in recent months.”

10.52am: ABC’s Washington correspondent Lisa Millar reports on Twitter Kevin Rudd has had trouble with his plane. PM Rudd could be here in Washington for another night! His plane took off, then landed. Mechanical fault. No other details.

10.49am: Tony Abbott is going to have to be Kofi Annan, Boutros Boutros Ghali and the Dalai Lama rolled into one to unite the Liberal Party after the past week - Penbo.

10.45am: Some are declaring the ETS dead. The Sydney Morning Herald reports:

The motion proposed that the [ETS] legislation should be delayed for three months, and if this could not be secured, then the legislation should be defeated.

The motion was carried by 54 votes to 29, guaranteeing the death of the Rudd Government’s ETS.

However, there remains the possibility that Liberal Senators - Turnbull supporters - could cross the floor and vote with the government on the ETS.

10.35am: The informal vote - somebody wrote “No” on their ballot paper.

10.34am: Tweet from Liberal MP Scott Morrison: will give the planet the benefit of the doubt but not Kevin Rudd.

10.29am: Before he started, Turnbull said: “Just be calm, you’re all very excited.”

10.28am: Turnbull emerging to speak to reporters.

The vanquished

10.27am: Turnbull speaks, congratulates Tony Abbott and wishes him well. He is not going to resign from Parliament and he will consider whether to stay in politics after the next election.

He will not serve in Abbott’s shadow cabinet.

10.12am: The Australian reports: While Mr Abbott has pledged to deliver an anti-ETS policy as a condition of his leadership, up to eight Liberal MPs are threatening to cross the floor and vote with Labor. More here.

10.10am: Kevin Andrews on Sky says Abbott has indicated he wants Hockey to continue as shadow treasurer and Pyne to continue as manager of opposition business.

10.07am: Piers Akerman at The Daily Telegraph says Tony Abbott now has the toughest job in town.

10.05am: David Speers on Sky News reports there was a secret ballot on the ETS after Abbott was elected. The outcome, according to a source, is if the party cannot defer the emissions trading scheme this week, it will be voted down in the Senate.

10am: News wrap live now on news.com.au.

10.54am: Waiting for Tony Abbott’s press conference.

Waiting for Tony

9.55am: So Tony Abbott is leader of the Liberal Party. The emissions trading legislation may not pass the Senate this year.

9.52am: First ballot was Abbott 35 Turnbull 26 Hockey 23. Went to a run-off between Turnbull and Abbott and the vote was 42-41.

9.51am: Tony Abbott has won the leadership of the Liberal Party by one vote.

48-34 in favour of a spill.

Hockey was eliminated in the first ballot.

42-41 was the result for Abbott.

9.49am: Alex Somlyay coming out. Result pending.

9.47am: No TV? Live streaming of the spill coverage here.

9.43am: At this stage we can assume the leadership spill has been successful and the MPs are now deciding on the next leader of the Liberal Party.

9.29am: Grahame Morris analysis on Sky: If Turnbull gets up, he will declare the party will vote for the ETS and a bunch of people will say “No, we’re not.” If Abbott gets up, he will declare a vote against an ETS and a bunch of people will say “No, we’re not.” Hockey’s offer of a conscience vote seems to be the only way to avoid that.

9.22am: Malcolm Farr at The Daily Telegraph:

...the Liberals at their party room have a clear choice on policy - back either Mr Turnbull or Mr Hockey and get the ETS passed or support Mr Abbott to block the legislation as it now stands.

More here.

9.19am: Looks as if Dutton will almost certainly be the deputy if either Hockey or Abbott win.

9.18am: Greg Combet argues we’ve just had the hottest November on record in Sydney so the Liberals should pass the emissions trading bill.

9.16am: Liberal MPs are reportedly being frisked at the door of the meeting for mobile phones. “Nasty blow for text traffic,” says Annabel Crabb.

9.07am: Barnaby Joyce is on Sky - his prediction, Hockey will win, there will be a conscience vote in the Senate this week, the ETS will pass, and the National Party will get more support from the electorate.

9.04am: Partyroom meeting getting underway. Penbo says: If there are speeches at this #spill as is being suggested meeting will go longer than the Brisbane test did.

8.53am: A Liberal source in the Hockey camp says the partyroom vote is tight with a number of MPs - up to 10 - still in the “not sure” column.

The source says the offer from Hockey is in accord with is principles and is the best he can make in a situation where the two camps are never ever going to agree. - Colgo.

8.47am: Liberal MP Michael Johnson says he thinks Tony Abbott will be leader by the end of the day. “My hunch is that it will be Tony Abbott ... but all three figures are substantial figures, they all have the affection and respect of their party,” he said on Channel 7.

8.44am: Vic Liberal Bruce Bilson just said “Opposition 3.0 is what we need to move to” - he actually said it twice.

8.27am: Turnbull on Sky News: “I always fight a good fight but I will win today.”

“We must have a clear and consistent and principled position on climate change action.”

Asked if he can work with the likes of Nick Minchin, he says: “Everyone knows that I don’t bear grudges, I’m not a hater.”

Channelling John Howard, he says: “My commitment to the Liberal Party is that the things that unite us are more important than the things that divide us.”

“We should move on, united, effective, holding the Rudd Government to account.”

Asked to confirm if he will contest the leadership if there is a spill, Turnbull says: “I am standing today.”

8.25am: A minor point but Twitter has crashed, setting off panic among tweeting journalists.

8.25am: Abbott supporter Bronnie Bishop says on Sky that she doesn’t know if Joe Hockey will even run. “I don’t know who else might put up their hand, and it’s getting close to 9 o’clock.”

8.22am: More from Turnbull who, contrary to what most observers say, believes he still has the numbers to win today:

“The numbers have all been published… a number of people didn’t like the decision of the majority on the Tuesday and so called for a spill against my leadership ... and that spill was defeated by 48 to 35.

“The party room has dealt with this twice and it has supported me and we are now going to deal with it a third time today.”

8.17am: David Koch doing Sunrise outside Parliament in Canberra

Sunrise in Canberra

8.12am: Senator Judith Troeth has indicated that should Joe Hockey be elected leader she and eight of her upper house colleagues would use a free vote to pass the ETS legislation. But it remains unclear when the vote would occur if Hockey wins.

8.02am: Turnbull has spoken to Channel 7 and says he believes he will hold his position because he has a “clear consistent position on tackling action on climate change”.

8am: Declared for Turnbull - there are some - Judith Troeth, Russell Broadbent, Gary Humphries and George Brandis.

7.57am: Meanwhile, on the other side of the world (literally and figuratively)...

Kevin Rudd and Hillary Clinton shake hands after a meeting at the State Department in Washington D.C.

7.42am: The government has pencilled in time in the House of Reps today to consider any Senate amendments to the ETS legislation in anticipation of an outcome of the Liberal Party meeting that could allow the CPRS to pass in the upper house. The Senate sits from 10am and the House of Reps from 11am.

7.39am: David Penberthy has written today on The Punch about the choice facing Joe Hockey, saying he’s “about to make the biggest decision of his life”. Excerpt:

[Last week] I chatted briefly to Hockey about the leadership and asked him whether he would run against Turnbull.

He said he would not.

“I am not going to start my leadership career by selling my soul,” Hockey said.

It was a reference to the fact that, as someone who believes in climate change, this Liberal Party moderate was simply not prepared to reverse or soften his position on the ETS to win the support of party conservatives and seize the leadership.

Read on here.

7.27am: Latest results of a leadership poll on The Daily Telegraph… not in accord with the major Newspoll and Nielsen findings yesterday which showed Hockey as preferred leader by three points over Malcolm Turnbull. See the poll and cast your vote here.

Telegraph online poll

7.06am: Hockey’s office has just reconfirmed that he will not vote to spill the leadership this morning. But “in the event that it succeeds, he will be a candidate offering his colleagues a free vote on the ETS.”

6.49am: Kevin Rudd, meanwhile, is in Washington DC and has had his praises sung by Secretary of State Hilary Clinton. She described the PM as one of the most “creative thinkers” on global issues. More here.

6.43am: Liberal senator Gary Humphries has said he’ll be supporting Malcolm Turnbull today. “He is a person who has shown the guts and determination to drive a difficult policy through the party and to the electorate,” he told ABC radio.

6.30am: Where we’re up to… When MPs meet at 9am today the Liberal leadership is expected to be declared vacant in a partyroom vote. Then it’s expected to be a three-way battle between Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey, and Malcolm Turnbull for the leadership. Hockey has flagged a conscience vote on the emissions trading scheme which would probably allow the bill to pass. This has proved unacceptable to the right of the party, prompting Abbott to declare he will run for the leadership.

Abbott had previously said he would not stand if Hockey ran but withdrew that offer last night. The Daily Telegraph in Sydney, home town of all three leadership contenders, says on its front page today: “Abbott bombshell turns Libs leadership into farce”. Turnbull supporter Ian Macfarlane said last night the situation was “bordering on being out of control”.

Summaries from the morning papers at The Australian, The Daily Telegraph, the Herald Sun, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald.

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    • Katea says:

      06:24am | 01/12/09

      The way I see it if Tony Abbott does not win then Nick Minchin will have to resort to Hemlock.
      They refuse to lose.
      This is now a farce.

    • Frank Scicluna says:

      06:36am | 01/12/09

      What is it with these Coalition clowns? Their parties lost an election fairly, squarely and by a decent enough margin. Even the less democratic Senate election where a State the size of Tasmania elects the same number of Senators as the much larger Victoria and NSW failed to give them a majority YET they seem to think that they have a right to govern from the opposition benches!

      My solution is a very simple and more importantly, a much more democratic one.

      If a bill is passed by government in the lower house but fails to get the numbers in the Senate, a joint sitting should be called immediately to resolve the issue.

      Yes, this can be done AFTER a double dissolution, my argument is to change the constitution so that a double dissolution will NOT be required for TRUE democracy to take its course.

    • Tim says:

      06:56am | 01/12/09

      Nick Minchin has chosen to sabotage his party and the future of democracy to impose the view of 10% of the populace over the other 90%.

      He is the most machiavellian politician in our history. He is the Joe Tripodi of Federal Politics.

      I always vote liberal but now with Minchin at the helm (Puppetmaster) I am going elsewhere.

    • Lucy says:

      06:59am | 01/12/09

      Oh how I wish Richard Carleton was still alive.  His first question on tonight’s 7.30 Report would be “Do you have blood on your hands Mr Hockey?”.  Et tu Joe?

    • William Ordburger says:

      07:06am | 01/12/09

      Only one man has had a consistent position. Only one man has a logically defensible position, Only one man is free from the stench of back room deals and factionalism. Malcolm Turnbull.
      There really is no alternative for the Liberal Party. The backstabbing egotists in the party have acted precipitously and without thinking. The end result has been a fiasco, with both Hockey and Abbott flitting about like idiots trying to find a position: but the moral high ground and the only logical position is commanded by Malcolm Turnbull . He stands head and shoulders above his opponents in terms of policy, strategy and personal bearing.

    • acker says:

      07:18am | 01/12/09

      Liberal party room supporters of Rasputin Abbott should name thier following

      The Electoral Suicide Sect

      After a big loss of Liberal seats only years of pain is all I can see ahead for them if they choose the mad monk/abbott

    • Sue says:

      07:20am | 01/12/09

      The Australian Newspaper says - ‘VOTER approval of Malcolm Turnbull has hit a five-month high, an exclusive analysis of Newspoll data for The Australian has found. But the growth in support comes from Labor voters, with the embattled Opposition Leader abandoned by his own side.’ *** Your poll may show plenty of support for Malcolm Turnbull, but I don’t think the labor voters who are pushing his numbers up are actually going to vote liberal at the next election are they, so don’t get too excited just yet.

    • Phil says:

      07:25am | 01/12/09

      Tim at 7.56 am

      What planet are you on Tim. The Greens do not agree with the ETS in its current form. What does that tell you. Minchin and Abbott want the senate to consider it further.

      Labor did not just agree with the GST and it was an election issue. It was then wrecked by Meg Lees

      It will not rid the planet of polution. There are many other ideas for cleaning up the planet, and our selling Coal is not the answer. This will pay the big polluters a lot of money, where is the merit in that.

      Go Tony, at least you have listened to your constituents, not like Malcolm helping his mates in Merchant Banks to rake in more millions. Perhaps he knows if he does this he will be booted out and can play catch up financially for 12 years in Canberra.

    • orangecrush says:

      07:35am | 01/12/09

      @Tim 7:56

      Tim, unfortunately for the LNP, they haven’t woken up to the fact that there are countless voters like yourself who won’t touch them with the Christian Right at the helm.  Maybe they’re relying on attracting the ‘One Nation’ and ‘Family First’ voters back to the fold!

    • Simon says:

      07:39am | 01/12/09

      Interesting to add up Joe’s numbers - Majority say support ETS in responding to his Friday Twitter question http://bit.ly/4FdlCj

    • Super D says:

      07:46am | 01/12/09

      Interesting poll numbers indicating that Turnbull is the preferred leader of the libs.  I think its fair to say that most of his support comes from labor voters, hockey attracts moderate libs and labor voters who can’t stand turnbull.  I think we can guaranteed that those supporting Abbott are all liberal voters.  I never thought I’d support the mad monk but he is the only one with a credible position on the rush job that is this flawed ETS.  Turnbull is cheerleading ALP policy and Hockey is just sitting on the fence.

    • soultrader says:

      07:52am | 01/12/09

      I am a supporter of the government of the day implementing a sensible policy to reduce pollution and to be more environmentally sensible and sustainable but this proposed tax hike policy where the big polluters just get given more money and the average person has to pay for their bad practices, sucks!!
      I will NEVER vote for any party that supports this legalised theft.

    • Daniel says:

      07:53am | 01/12/09

      While the Liberals implode Rudd is off again on an overseas trip milking the tax payers of Australia. Howard was just as bad when it came to globe trotting.

    • RT says:

      08:05am | 01/12/09

      I think it’s hilarious that The Greens, Xenophon and Fielding could sideline the Opposition by voting the ETS legislation through this week. Apparently Fielding and Xenophon think this will make them look like decisive players - ‘give us a royal commission or we will wreck the game’. If the Opposition gives in to this blackmail it will lock in perceptions that the CC denialists run the show. If Hockey is leader his smart move will be to call Fielding and Xenophon’s bluff.

    • orangecrush says:

      08:05am | 01/12/09

      @Super D 8:46

      When you have as many ‘postions’ as Abbott does on the ETS (i.e. support without amendment, support with amendment, delay, oppose) I suppose some people are bound to find one of them ‘credible’ .......

    • orangecrush says:

      08:10am | 01/12/09

      @soultrader 8:52 am

      So you clearly understand the proposed compensation that the legislation contains for the ‘average worker’.  I can’t believe how many people have such strong opinions about things they have not even bothered to investigate.

    • Juju Maccas says:

      08:17am | 01/12/09

      It is interesting what the WALL STREET JOURNAL has to say about Rudd and his ETS - ‘The Copenhagen Climate-Change deal is crumbling, but Australia’s Labor Government wants to pass it’s very own cap-and trade bill this week, even though it won’t curb global warming but will raise energy prices and cost thousands of jobs. Kevin Rudd has framed the vote in moral terms, asking policy makers to put “The National interest first” and political party interests last. Rudd’s appeal to emotion is the only way to justify the passage of the bill because the economics sure don’t support it. Australia only emits 1.5 per cent of total global emissions. By asking companies to pay for carbon permits, starting in 2011 Rudd will make Australian industry unilaterally less competitive, without any appreciable global benefit. The Wall Street Journal Asia editorialised further, It’s unclear how much this green utopia will cost given Canberra hasn’t released any comprehensive economic modelling of the revised schemes total cost.’

    • James says:

      08:23am | 01/12/09

      Regardless of what the end result is from today, does this not leave the Liberals at a major disadvantage if an election is called? Who cares who is leading the party, the party itself is a shamble!

    • Anton says:

      08:28am | 01/12/09

      Last night the Swiss people decided to ban minarets. While this may or not be a goood decision, it is clearly the will of the people. No politician, interest group or lobbyist can dispute the result.

      Why can we in Australia never decide on important issues like the ETS in a democratic way. We need direct democracy now

    • Peter Collinson says:

      08:29am | 01/12/09

      Can someone explain why Dutton is in the running for Deputy, when he doesn’t have a seat?

    • Aitch B says:

      08:31am | 01/12/09

      @orangecrush 9:10am

      You’re right…. there is proposed compensation. The question is, however, will it be based on Rudd’s initial estimated “$1.00 per person per week” or the conservative estimate published last week (not by Rudd, BTW) of more than $3.00 per person per week. Or perhaps the higher estimate published last week of more than $5.00 per person per week? Who knows? And there lies one of the major concerns….. none of us do and Wong and Rudd refuse to tell us!

    • AJ says:

      08:37am | 01/12/09

      Juju Maccas, I would like to point out that the very same Wall Street Journal that criticises the ETS claimed that Sarah Palin’s autobiography was an intellectual tour de force.  Perhaps not the most credible or unbiased source.

    • Joey says:

      08:43am | 01/12/09

      I have the Answer to resolve the Liberal’s problems.

      1.  Deny that a leadership issue exists:
      2. Delay any vote on the leadership to see what the rest of the world thinks of them;
      3. No matter what the proposal, spin to the public that any policy proposals are ‘just another tax’ that ‘won’t do anything for the leaderhip.
      4.  Have a vote.
      5.  Reject the vote and repeat from step 1.

    • Islander says:

      08:48am | 01/12/09

      I’ve heard they’re still reading out the minutes from the last meeting??

    • Tracey Conlan says:

      08:50am | 01/12/09

      Nick Minchin and his crackpot crew of Andrew Bolt denialists will consign the Liberal party to irrelevancy if they suceed in delaying this ETC legislation with an Abbott victory.

    • Robb T says:

      08:50am | 01/12/09

      A very curious thing. The poll on this site, Sky news and the SMH all have Turnbull as preferred leader by considerable margins.
      Are the other polls wrong or are web site readers a special exception?

    • Super D says:

      08:50am | 01/12/09

      The compensation won’t really help the average worker who loses their job due to this green tax.  Besides which compensation dulls the price signal which is supposedly the whole point of this sham.

    • Randal says:

      08:52am | 01/12/09

      So the level of climate science that is being applied by the government in regards to and ETS is:

      9.18am: Greg Combet argues we’ve just had the hottest November on record in Sydney so the Liberals should pass the emissions trading bill.

      So on this basis New Zealand just had their coldest October for 25 years and one of the coldest on record should they now repeal their ETS?

      What a clown, and he is responsible, along with that other genius Wong, for putting the ETS together. No I am not worried, not worried at all, I mean last night Wong admitted they had miscounted the Australian by a couple of million in the legislation… I mean no problem at all, they can’t count and put through crazy policies based on no the science of “was it hot yesterday?” all is fine.

      Maybe the ETS is proof of AGW, I mean perhaps I can blame this madness on the Sydney heatwave melting a few brains!

      God help us all!

    • Andrew Goff says:

      08:53am | 01/12/09

      @ Aitch B

      $5 per person per week? Are you serious? You are making this “gigantic new tax” argument over a high end estimate of $5 per week??? Oh the horror. Oh the injustice.

      By the way, how is that commie conspiracy coming along? Still headlined by the Queen, the Pope, and Rupert Murdoch?

    • Patrick says:

      08:53am | 01/12/09

      It’s Abbott….

    • soultrader says:

      08:54am | 01/12/09

      @orangecrush -
      I have not read it cover to cover but the compensation for the “average worker” is still to be released to “joe average” and as such, leaves everyone apprehensive. And until it is explained clearly, then I do not believe it should be supported. The issue of “climate change” or “pollution reduction” is not dependent on this actual bill passing today or this week.
      The whole issue needs to be discussed openly and frankly with input from as many “experts” in various fields of society as possible. Not just wealthy industry figures, not just influential lobbyists, not some faceless powerbrokers, but a common sense, broad approach.
      In terms of political futures for our esteemed leaders, then it is urgent because an election is looming and I suppose Mr Rudd would like to look impressive at Copenhagen. But in the scheme of “saving the planet” and bringing people along for the trip, the timeframe is miniscule and hurried.
      I have repeatedly said in many fora, that I support pollution reduction, sustainable industry and more eco friendly practices but the policies need to be comprehensive, detailed, adopted by all levels of government and industry and implemented with commitment not rhetoric. Enough spin and fear mongering by both sides of the political fence. Some sincerity would be appreciated.
      PS - I am lower middle class and probably will come in just above where any subsidy/compensation cuts out. Yippee again.

    • mcdazz says:

      08:54am | 01/12/09

      What a joke - Abbott is useless.

      I guess Rudd will remain Prime Minister for a few years to come.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      08:58am | 01/12/09

      Well there goes the Liberal Parties reputation… and future elections.

    • Peter M says:

      08:58am | 01/12/09

      Climategate will swamp Rudd. This is a great decision by the Liberals.

    • Randal says:

      08:59am | 01/12/09

      This is a great day for the party and finally we have a leader we will now represent the parties core and provide a true opposition to Rudd and his dud policies.

      Congratulations Tony!

    • SM says:

      09:00am | 01/12/09

      9.52am: First ballot was Abbott 35 Turnbull 26 Hockey 23. Went to a run-off between Turnbull and Abbott and the vote was 42-41.


      84 votes in the first ballot, only 83 in the second?

    • Cricketor says:

      08:59am | 01/12/09

      Tony Abbott won? Oh well guess we all go back to the Polls, Mr Turnbull and Mr Hockey start a break away party you will get far more votes than those other malicious troublemakers get. All I can say is its better to let boxer Tony have leadership because the damage with the public is already done and let him try to repair it..and he won’t

    • Murph says:

      09:00am | 01/12/09

      Who voted in the first ballot and abstained in the second? 84 votes in the first round and 83 in the second.

    • LMAO says:

      09:01am | 01/12/09

      Well that’s the end of the Liberal Party forever more.
      Good.

    • p davis says:

      09:03am | 01/12/09

      Well that has blown my vote.I would never vote for Abbott and i would have voted for Hockey.Abbott is self centered idiot and Rudd will now romp in

    • Super D says:

      09:04am | 01/12/09

      Outstanding result.  I hope Abbott gets on the front foot and attacks the sham science as well as the sham policy.  This is a terrible outcome for the ALP.  They will have to defend their policy.  Not the original ETS, the one negotiated with Malcolm Turnbull, otherwise the $7bn of amendments are simply the price Rudd was prpared to pay to bignote himself on the world stage. 

      This is a historic day.  It marks the beginning of the end of the global warming scam.

    • Tim says:

      09:04am | 01/12/09

      The attack dog got up. Now there will be trouble!

    • Zeta says:

      09:04am | 01/12/09

      Can I just say that I was the first on the Tabbot band wagon as far back as The Punch’s launch, and I’ve been staying silent on the Tabbot/Hockey issue so as not to curse it. Well done Tabsy, Australia is Right behind you. (BTW, if you use that as your election slogan, I expect to finally get my Opus Dei memebership.)

    • acker says:

      09:04am | 01/12/09

      Ra Ra Rasputin lover of the monarch Queen
      ,,,,Looks about as stable as the Chernobyl reactor 30 minutes before meltdown…..Congrats Tony and I hope the polling booths are airconditioned in February when we go to vote

    • orangecrush says:

      09:06am | 01/12/09

      It must be great to be able to be against the ETS because of the ‘average joe’ will bear enourmous costs OR against it because you haven’t been told what the costs are, OR against it because any compensation defeats the purpose of the ETS…..
      lol - we have a number of Tony Abbotts in the laking on this forum

    • mid says:

      09:07am | 01/12/09

      Does that mean we can talk about something else now? These clowns are getting a little tiring

    • Em says:

      09:07am | 01/12/09

      Possibly Hockey doesn’t get a vote in second round?

    • mr maths says:

      09:07am | 01/12/09

      First ballot was Abbott 35 Turnbull 26 Hockey 23. Went to a run-off between Turnbull and Abbott and the vote was 42-41. - erm this doesnt add up!!??

    • Voxpop says:

      09:08am | 01/12/09

      Sad sad day for the Liberals with Abbott as leader - they will regret this

    • RT says:

      09:08am | 01/12/09

      Abbott’s win almost ensure a double dissolution early in 2010 and a bloodbath for the coalition. Political parties with a death wish usually have their wish granted.

    • mcdazz says:

      09:09am | 01/12/09

      Peter M (09:58am | 01/12/09):

      “Climategate will swamp Rudd. This is a great decision by the Liberals.”

      I don’t think so - according to some reports, between 66% and 75% of Australians support the ETS.

      The Liberals have made a BIG mistake and Abbott will lead them to ruin.

      It’s a shame - the Liberals are no longer a credible political party and the voters will treat them as such.

    • Luke says:

      09:09am | 01/12/09

      Malcolm if I were you I would create a proper small L Liberal party with no right wing Christian Fundamentalists or nutters!

      Its agood time now!

    • mcdazz says:

      09:09am | 01/12/09

      SM and Murph:

      One of the Liberals voted informally so their vote couldn’t be counted.

    • Eno says:

      09:10am | 01/12/09

      He he - Julie “Brutus” Bishop stabbed Turnbull in the back - she voted Abbott!

      That’s hilarious. She looks slimier than ever, Abbott is a recividist, the only liberal that’s come out of this looking like a leader is Turnbull - so they threw him out!

    • Russ says:

      09:11am | 01/12/09

      It will be interesting to see what the coalition senators do now.  At 42 to 41 there is a lot of life left in the leadership question, but if Abbott declares the ETS dead Rudd should bring on the double dissolution.

    • AJ says:

      09:10am | 01/12/09

      The Mad Monk?  Captain Catholic?  Mr RU486?

      Wow.

      I was wrong.  The Liberal Party CAN be more stupid than I thought.

      Let the landslide begin, beginning with Bradfield and Higgins.

    • Glenn says:

      09:11am | 01/12/09

      Will the libs sign there own death warrant by forcing a double dissolution election, when they are about as popular as cake at a fashion show.

    • shabangabang says:

      09:12am | 01/12/09

      Brilliant decision. If I were Rudd I would be preying (to Abbott?) for the Senate to block the ETS so he has a DD trigger. The Libs will the destroyed and will cease to be a major party afterwards. Meanwhile Rudd will win the following election, transition power to Gillard and she too will win 2-3 elections after that.

    • TG says:

      09:12am | 01/12/09

      Thank God for that. Common sense and the liberal party’s fortitude in their princples has prevailed!

    • Jan says:

      09:14am | 01/12/09

      What a joke Abbott won, the man who want’s to put women back in the dark ages. And Turnbull to lose 41 to 42 is just stupid. Does this party really know what they are doing. Abbott will never be PM Never!  The Lib’s have guaranteed themselves 12 year in opposition.

    • bella starkey says:

      09:14am | 01/12/09

      this shit’s hillarious

    • sunshine coast says:

      09:16am | 01/12/09

      Rudd a programmed Buffoon I don’t believe he has no idea who Jimmy Hendrix   is. RUDDS fate same as Howard’s end…......Who was shocked?  This ECONOMIC crisis has been coming for thirty years. Thirty years of economic dribble from the mouths of the Liberal and Labor politicians. The Country driven   into the ground by constant spin, hollow promises, just to get re-elected for the spoils of office, to share in the carve up of lurks and perks.
      Lurks and Perks only a pirate would have access to,“79,000,000,000 Billion Dollars”. No! Executive bonuses equal this amount of indulgence.
      Kevin A380 fly me to the heavens’ wrote seven thousand word essays, on neo-liberalism. “Oh KEVIN how the has fibbed” on the governments benefited from this system, the banks + government+ big end of town have brought us to the

      brink of world depression. Kevin is making promises he will never keep, writing cheques his body cant cash, in eight years time Rudd will be know as the EXPERIMENT gone wrong. While he sits in a warm seat at the UN, citizens will remember him using profound language to reflect on the Federal Labor Government time in office.
      While the asinine public continue the cycle of electing the next kleptocracy.

    • Zeta says:

      09:19am | 01/12/09

      @ Mr Maths - My impecable Liberal sources tell me that once the glorious reality settled in, that Tony Abbott might very well be leader, it all became too much for Bill Heffernan who had a stroke. Using his notoriously potent psychic powers, Big Bill brought himself back from the dead, albeit after the vote. One half of his face is now paralysed, but it’s not noticeably different from before. At any rate, he’s not going to be around for door stops much any more, as Tabbs has reportedly put him in charge of white anting Lefties, a job he can do without ever being in the spotlight, or using the muscles in his face.

    • alicia says:

      09:20am | 01/12/09

      ridiculous and pathetic.  i mourn for the liberal party. not only have they turned their backs on the future of australia’s children, but also on the rights of our women. good luck to the budgie smuggler. he won’t be getting my vote!

    • shockedwatcher says:

      09:21am | 01/12/09

      Mr Turnbull has a news cnference at 10.25 am I will be watching that with sadness for a courageous man who put up a good fight. Tony Abott has a news conferance at 10.45 Foxtel will turned off. I have no intrest now or in the future in listening to that man.

    • Barry says:

      09:21am | 01/12/09

      Kevin 2027 Safe as a bank

    • Farcical says:

      09:22am | 01/12/09

      You went through all *that* to give us Abbott? Abbott?

      That isn’t a pyrrhic victory. Its nothing short of a shameful dishonest farce.

    • Chngster says:

      09:23am | 01/12/09

      Yeah, what the heck is going here?!?!

      mr maths says:10:07am | 01/12/09

      First ballot was Abbott 35 Turnbull 26 Hockey 23. Went to a run-off between Turnbull and Abbott and the vote was 42-41. - erm this doesnt add up!!??

    • nads says:

      09:24am | 01/12/09

      who didn’t vote in round 2 is what i want to know. the only way it could have been any more entertaining is if it had been tied!!

    • Super D says:

      09:25am | 01/12/09

      Lets just speculate for a second here.  Suppose now that Copenhagen fails and in the next couple of months the momentum continues to grow against an ETS as more people become aware of climategate and the sham science behind global warming.  Under these circumstances do you think its possible that the ALP, united behind a green tax will win an election?  I think under these circumstances which are every chance of unfolding its the ALP who will be destined to another spell in the wilderness.

    • Peter A. Lord says:

      09:25am | 01/12/09

      Churchill once said that if Hitler invaded Hell he would consider a favourable mention for the Devil.  While Tony Abbott might be the most disliked figure in Federal politics his stand against the discredited ETS bill has made him the knight in shining armour for many for what ever reason.  Already the reports reaching us from the Liberals are making them sound like a real opposition again.  I can’t believe I am saying this but I wish Tony Abbott well as leader of the Liberals.

    • Michele says:

      09:26am | 01/12/09

      After voting liberal for 30+ years, I will never vote for Tony Abbott.

    • Deliah says:

      09:27am | 01/12/09

      Very interesting that there were 84 votes cast in the first round and only 83 in the second. The Liberals are now led by a zealot voted in by the huge majority of 1 vote. This result ensures they will be more divided than ever and will suffer a bloodbath at the election. Malcolm Turnbull did a lot better than political commentators predicted. We have not heard the last of him. Certainly he can walk away with a clear conscience by taking a principled stand.

    • LG says:

      09:28am | 01/12/09

      Check the hand writing. I’m betting Abbott and Minchin and a few others voted for Turnbull in the first round. Just enough to nudge the real threat out and open the way up for Abbott to take the crown.
      They are completely capable of such cunning manipulation. There is surely no other way this could have happened.

    • Madonna Cullinan says:

      09:28am | 01/12/09

      Well said William Oldberger above: “Only one man has had a consistent position. Only one man has a logically defensible position, Only one man is free from the stench of back room deals and factionalism. Malcolm Turnbull.”
      I’m a Labor voter and have watched with amusement from the sidelines at the disgusting disloyalties and backstabbing of the coalition leadership struggle. Abbott is just way too creepy ( hellloooo! his views on abortion…oh yes I forgot my girlfriend had one but totally deny free safe access to abortions for other women), Big Joey too naive - Malcolm was their man! 
      ( From a very superficial point of view - way cuter to look at too than the other two). I couldn’t be happier though for this means the demise of the party for at least the next two elections.

    • soultrader says:

      09:29am | 01/12/09

      @orangecrush
      I suppose you take everything from KRuddy with blind faith. Sorry my opinion differs to yours. Obviously you spent 6 years at uni learning a thing or two - especially how to sponge of the rest of Australia.
      Still can’t discuss with evidence - only attack because somebody holds a different opinion. Labor apologist? Eh?
      Anyway - what transpires from here, does just that. No hijacked debate by left wing nut jobs.

    • Jay says:

      09:28am | 01/12/09

      Can someone please explain the fact that there is one vote less in the final vote, from the original spill 83 vs 84 can someone elaborate?

    • Daryl Saal says:

      09:31am | 01/12/09

      42 - 41 with one absent. A resounding clear cut victory? I bet Kevin Rudd has a smile on his face at the moment. Pretty predictable from here on in. The Senate will refer the ETS to endless committees, Rudd will make much of how he could have a double dissolution for political purposes, but being a Statesman he will let parliament run its full term (while the Liberals tear themselves further apart). Then after the next election both Liberals left will take turns at being the Opposition Leader.

    • Greg says:

      09:32am | 01/12/09

      Keep your head down ........... incoming people skills!

    • T says:

      09:33am | 01/12/09

      TONY ABBOTT who was all for the ETS amendments and then took it back!!! MR FLIPFLOPABBOTT.

    • acker says:

      09:33am | 01/12/09

      Paul Keating looks into the mirror at his Liberal reflection

      Catholic’s, Huge Ego’s, From Sydney….ditto ditto ditto

    • Craig says:

      09:35am | 01/12/09

      @nads

      There was an informal vote cast in the second ballot…. Im sure we will hear a heap about it in the next few hours/days

    • mcdazz says:

      09:35am | 01/12/09

      Tony Abbott - the committed catholic who would have been a priest - but couldn’t because he couldn’t keep “IT” in his pants.

      The committed catholic who admits to sleeping around while not married.

      The committed catholic who said about Bernie Banton: “...just because a person is sick doesn’t mean that he is necessarily pure of heart in all things.”

      The committed catholic who launched a very personal attack against Pauline Hanson.

      The forward thinking politician who wants to return Australia to the dark ages with divorce, wants Australia to forever remain a constitutional monarchy.

      Yep - that’s Tony Abbott - he’s not the man I’d want to lead the country.

    • nancy says:

      09:37am | 01/12/09

      Tracey Conlan, a couple of facts:
      Bolt’s blog is now rated 55 in the world.
      Climategate is producing more hits in Google than Al Gore.

    • Andrew says:

      09:38am | 01/12/09

      Super D said “the sham science behind global warming”

      Well if you can prove 100% without any chance of being proved otherwise due to the science stating that there is no such thing pelase make it public as it could save governments, scientists etc all voer the world a lot of time and effort. Can you state and prove that there is no such thing?

      Personally, i don’t know, but i feel if there is a chance that there is and humans are helping cause it then we need to act. We need to give the theory of climate change the benefit of the doubt. As for Abbot, that was not something i was expecting. I am very worried if this guy gets to be PM. I admire the stand Turnbull made and believe he was the best option.

    • Voxpop says:

      09:39am | 01/12/09

      Ha even my mother who is the most rusted on liberal voter I know will not vote for Abbott.  They are totally clueless and will loose a huge chunk of their support base over this.

      It would be fun to watch except that I cannot look and listen to Abbott without feeling the urge to be sick.

    • Tony Abysmal says:

      09:40am | 01/12/09

      I support the ETS - no wait, no I don’t - Minchin is right.

    • Greg says:

      09:40am | 01/12/09

      I’m getting deja vu all over again. The media loved Paul Keating too, and could not believe that the triple-bypass conservative Howard could be chosen as the Liberal leader.
      The Liberals differentiated themselves from the ALP, and went on to win over 12 years in government.
      This is why the left are so upset about this result, and are posting comments as alleged “ex-Liberal supporters”.

    • Jimmy g says:

      09:42am | 01/12/09

      After the Liberals are destroyed in the double dissolution, they will need a new leader to reflect the professionalism , ethics and intellect of Minchin & his ilk , who are running the party.

      I believe Godwin Gretch is available

    • Barb says:

      09:43am | 01/12/09

      It’s morning in Australia.

      Now C’mon Christian’s lets support a true believer. With Abbott we can ban abortion, defend traditional marriage and remove the Maoists from their safe academic/ bureaucratic/ media positions before they do anymore damage to our Australian way of life.

      This is just the beginning…....1 John 5:4 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. NIV

    • Barb says:

      09:42am | 01/12/09

      It’s morning in Australia.

      Now C’mon Christian’s lets support a true believer. With Abbott we can ban abortion, defend traditional marriage and remove the Maoists from their safe academic/ bureaucratic/ media positions before they do anymore damage to our Australian way of life.

      This is just the beginning…....1 John 5:4 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. NIV

    • jannie says:

      09:46am | 01/12/09

      Jay says:  10:28am | 01/12/09   - yes - Bronwyn Bishop submitted her bingo card instead of the ballot paper - someone told her today was Friday

    • Mrs James says:

      09:46am | 01/12/09

      Sickend by this, as a female I will never vote Liberal, this man wants to take away women’s rights and gay rights. I am hetrosexual but belive Gays are as Australian as I am and deserve the same rights. Hopefully in the next elction and I think we will have a double dissolution now, many of them will vanish.
      Julie Bishop is too worried about fashion and looking good , shes an over 50’s women with a teenage mentality. She has remained loyal to any leader so far. Shes like an accessory that comes with the job, and what use is that to voters.
      Mr Hocking and Mr Turnbull your both good men, and this mess is not a reflection on either of you. Stay strong neither of you would want this mess anyway, Let Snaky Abbott get the Liberal Party of this mess he and his bunch of hate mongers created.

    • Don Kwiksoat says:

      09:47am | 01/12/09

      Excellent result.  Finally someone with the guts to stand up to this insane folly that is climate change.  The libs need to oppose this crap like their lives depend on it.  This is the beginning of the end for Rudd.  But can the populace get up to speed on the climate debate before the next election??
      Global warming is dead and buried.  Rudd, Gillard and their blind followers are at the top of a slippery slope to oblivion once they are exposed as gullible deniers (of the facts).

    • scio says:

      09:46am | 01/12/09

      Thursday Nov 19 on his Daily Telegraph blog (read it yourself) headed “Rudd, take us seriously on ETS” Abbott stated “If the Rudd Government really wants its emissions trading scheme passed next week, it must take the Oppositions amendments seriously:”
      Well Tony, Rudd did take you seriously & Ian Macfarlane brilliantly negotiated many concessions for the opposition.

      Abbott - YOU LIED!!!

    • scio says:

      09:48am | 01/12/09

      Thursday Nov 19 on his Daily Telegraph blog (read it yourself) headed “Rudd, take us seriously on ETS” Abbott stated “If the Rudd Government really wants its emissions trading scheme passed next week, it must take the Oppositions amendments seriously:”
      Well Tony, Rudd did take you seriously & Ian Macfarlane brilliantly negotiated many concessions for the opposition.

      Abbott - YOU LIED!!!

    • Liberal Voter says:

      09:49am | 01/12/09

      For everyone mentioning he is Catholic, SO IS KEVIN RUDD, a very devout one at that. So if you don’t have issues with RUDD being a catholic, whom is also friends with some very questionable high up bishops, then you shouldn’t with Abbot.

      Also anyone who says that have voted Liberal all their life and suddenly say that they won’t vote for them, is full of it. I have also voted Liberal for over 40 years, and will remain loyal to my party. I never like Howard much, however I voted for MY MEMBER to represent me. Leaders come and go. And I have been a member of the party for over 30 years I know a lot of people who aren’t keen on Abbot, but would never desert their party. Who are you going to vote for instead??? Labour?? because if that is the case, you were never a true Liberal voter to begin with.

    • orangecrush says:

      09:50am | 01/12/09

      @Soultrader
      I have no problem with people who hold an opinion.  Just those who pretend to hold an opinion based on logical assessment of the facts, when in reality their views are purely idealogical - i.e. they are against the ETS for a reason yet to be determined ... just because….

      For what it’s worth, I have been working for 25 years including 15 in the Defence Force and have voted Liberal about 10 times more often than I have voted Labor.  But your story is funnier.

      I do love your hypocrisy ... have a go at someone for not arguing ‘the facts’ then resort to insult and name calling. 

      lol lol lol

    • Liberal Voter says:

      09:51am | 01/12/09

      For everyone mentioning he is Catholic, SO IS KEVIN RUDD, a very devout one at that. So if you don’t have issues with RUDD being a catholic, whom is also friends with some very questionable high up bishops, then you shouldn’t with Abbot.

      Also anyone who says that have voted Liberal all their life and suddenly say that they won’t vote for them, is full of it. I have also voted Liberal for over 40 years, and will remain loyal to my party. I never like Howard much, however I voted for MY MEMBER to represent me. Leaders come and go. And I have been a member of the party for over 30 years I know a lot of people who aren’t keen on Abbot, but would never desert their party. Who are you going to vote for instead??? Labour?? because if that is the case, you were never a true Liberal voter to begin with.

    • Deliah says:

      09:53am | 01/12/09

      Why was Fran Bailey sick in hospital not allowed a proxy vote? This and the informal vote in the second round. Hardly a convincing win for the hard right zealous monk.

    • Patrick says:

      09:54am | 01/12/09

      Tony Abbott as leader of the Liberal Party is to women what Germaine Greer as leader of the Labor Party would be to men.

    • orangecrush says:

      09:55am | 01/12/09

      If 48 -35 is not a majority how can 42-41 be?  New democracy…..

    • Sherlock says:

      09:56am | 01/12/09

      An election in February which labor will win. No real loss I think they would have won in November anyway. At least we will have another chance to vote them out in February 2013 instead of waiting till November.

    • Sim says:

      10:00am | 01/12/09

      Remember no matter what rudd will destroy us all, all he cares about is policy that makes him LOOK good, not what is good foe Australia, don’t let him get away with his promise to fix health. Vote rudd out now.

    • Merv Hyde says:

      10:01am | 01/12/09

      This is so dumb!  Turnbull was the one who could possibly have led them to improve their position, and Hockey possibly.  Both are moderate, sensible and appeal to younger and older voters.  Abbott is distinguished by constant foul and in temperate language and a lack of empathy for the feelings of others.  This is no victory but the last act for the Old Guard who don’t even support the policy that Howard took to the last election.  I give Abbott 2 months, and that only because it is Christmas!

    • Tony Abysmal says:

      10:03am | 01/12/09

      I am the winner!!!

    • Mark says:

      10:09am | 01/12/09

      In retrospect, what was Hockey thinking? A conscience vote on the ETS?

      At least Turnbull and Abbott could agree on one thing. For the Liberal Party to have any credibility it had to have a policy on the ETS. To allow a conscience vote (i.e. to say the party does not hold a position) smacks of insanity.

    • Simple Symon says:

      10:09am | 01/12/09

      Whilst I’m not ecstatic about Abbott being the new leader, I am ecstatic about Messrs Turnbull and Hockey not being the leader.  Turnbull must be getting used to defeat in relation to issues where he nails his sail to the mast ie the republic and the ETS.  Neither of these agendas would improve the life of the average hard-working person, in fact, to the contrary, they would’ve cost an enormous amount of money and in the case of the ETS in its proposed form, would’ve cost a large number of jobs.  This may not have caused your multis like Kevin, Mal and Joe too much loss in sleep but the loss of a job and the prospect of paying even more for an already rising fuel bill would’ve done a number of people in.  Doubtless, steps need to be made in relation to climate change and to get a cleaner environment but to go to Copenhagen with the ETS passed and no assurance that your Indias, Chinas and USAs et al were going to come to the party would’ve been a futile exercise and far worse, would’ve seen billions of OZ dollars pissed into the wind.  Governments of all persuasions should at the very least be spending whatever money is necessary to determine how best to save rainwater and focus their efforts on this part of the world.

    • Pollyanna says:

      10:13am | 01/12/09

      Just watched Julie Bishop on tv and yes shockedwatcher your right for a 53 year old woman she sure acts like a giggly girl. She takes the opinion of any man who’s the leader of the day.  They won’t get my vote. I believe in womens rights.

    • orangecrush says:

      10:14am | 01/12/09

      @Liberal Voter - I find it interesting that someone would see blindly voting a certain way, regardless of policies, economic situation, ability of the leader etc as a virtue and criticise those that would vote based on ‘issues’.

      Sounds like you view democracy and the right to vote, the way most people view football - pick a team and stick by them.  Like I said .. interesting view

    • Seneca says:

      10:15am | 01/12/09

      Give it a month or two and it will all be on again.  Like a dispute in any family it is never over at the end of round one.

    • soultrader says:

      10:15am | 01/12/09

      @orangecrush
      Enough of the jibes.
      Obviously I am a little dim. I didn’t think I was arguing on idealogical grounds. I though I put my case based on what sort of policy would get my vote.
      At least, at this point there is a clear choice regarding THIS policy.
      I did say I was against this ETS but do read on further. I am for pollution reduction - repeated for the nth time.
      So as for my hypocrisy. My humble apologies.
      I will endeavour to argue without insult in future.
      Cheers

    • jimmy g says:

      10:17am | 01/12/09

      One week ago Abbott was berating Liberal colleagues to vote for ETS & support all the amendements his colleague Ian Macfarlane negotiated.

      Then he was on Lateline quoting from Ian Plimers book and Hadley report , even though he admitted he had not bothered to read either (or IPCC).
      Now he opposes ETS , having been a great advocate for ETS when Howard took it to the 2007 election

      How do hypocrites like this get to such positions of power in the Liberal Party?

    • jed says:

      10:18am | 01/12/09

      the liberal latham!

    • Greg S says:

      10:19am | 01/12/09

      I am a Liberal member and joined the party to help fight the excesses I see in Labor since the days of Gough Whitlam. I did not join the party to vote with a Labor government and so to see Malcolm Turnbull wanting to support a questionable Labor policy would have seen me vote for a National rather than A Liberal. To those folks who question that Liberal members would have voted against their own party, be assured this would have happened.

    • Jade says:

      10:20am | 01/12/09

      Great, another churchy here to impose there views on the rest of society.  Joe Hockey would of been a much better choice, he is more likable than Tony Abbot.  I will only vote for him because I hate Kdudd with a passion.

    • Simple Symon says:

      10:21am | 01/12/09

      Liberal Voter says:10:51am | 01/12/09

      I think you’ll find tha Kevin Rudd is of the Anglican faith whilst his mother was a Catholic.  BTW, blindly voting for Liberal or Labour for that matter is, in my opinion, completely nonsensical.  Except for issues like the ETS (and even then not completely) and profligate stimulus spending, there’s very little to choose between the two majors.  Thank God for people like Barnaby Joyce who at least stand for something!

    • Incitatus says:

      10:24am | 01/12/09

      This is a narrow victory for fear and ignorance. Abbot’s supporters have assassinated their own leader, rejected an agreement with the government and reneged on a bi-partisan policy mandated at the last election. Its been two years since that election and they still haven’t got a policy of their own. They tell us that there hasn’t been enough time to decide on what to do about climate change. They now want the issue referred to a senate committee. This is just a technical ploy to avoid a double dissolution election.
      Does anyone think this divided, unprincipled, clueless rabble is fit to govern?

    • Alison 1939 says:

      10:25am | 01/12/09

      Well at last we have common sense triumph over stupidity.Congrats to Tony Abbott, a man of principle and with the intelligence to lead the Libs out of the wilderness.He has my prayers for courage and conviction to be strong in the coming showdown over the ETS voting.It’s time to stop all this internal bickering and get on with the job of being an effective opposition before being the next Government.

    • Patrick says:

      10:25am | 01/12/09

      “Tony Abbott sounding really convincing as he lays out the grounds on which he will fight the next election. You can say many things about Abbott, but at least you know where he stands - Tors.”

      That’s some lovely spin Tory, but it doesn’t distract from the fact that over the past 2 weeks Abbott has held just about every position imaginable on the ETS and the leadership.

    • Yvonne says:

      10:25am | 01/12/09

      I agree with Greg.
      If Abbott is so conservative and bad for our country, how did Howard beat Paul Keating. Also, I seem to remember a Labour opposition in turmoil, facing leadership spill after spill, just before Ruddy took the helm. I am still in shock how people voted for HIM! If Abbott is so bad a bloke, what is so good about Rudd.
      True Liberal political supporters will get behind the new leader. I would have kept Turnbull, but now will get behind Abbott. Mickey Mouse would be better than Rudd!!! Look at the big picture.
      If an ETS scheme is going to do anything, it is worth getting right. Delay and debate. Rudd just wants to look good in the eyes of the world at Copenhagen, and knows he can fool the voters in Ausralia about how good it is…we must be fools…look who is in power!

    • Susan says:

      10:27am | 01/12/09

      @ Liberal Voter - no, Rudd’s an Anglican. Attends St John the Baptist Church in Reid, Canberra. At any rate, I don’t think it’s the fact Abbott IS Catholic that’s the issue (after all, so are Turnbull and Hockey), it’s the fact he takes the Catholic Church’s vies on everything extremely literally. This stance has gotten him in trouble lots of times before - particularly as the net result seems to be that he’s rather sexist.

      @Deliah - the Liberal Party constitution forbids proxy votes in this situation. As Pollytics over at Crikey has mentioned, Bailey would almost certainly have voted for Turnbull, as would the candidates for the by-elections this weekend in Higgins and Bradfield.

      The right-wing conservatives knew that if they waited past this week the numbers swung against them. However all this means is that after next weekend a majority of the MPs won’t support the leader. And given the moderates are the ones with their heads on the chopping block (as they make up almost all the marginal Liberal seats) they mightn’t be happy to let things stay as is for very long.

    • DM says:

      10:27am | 01/12/09

      “You can say many things about Abbott, but at least you know where he stands - Tors.”

      No you can’t, over the course of the ETS debate he’s held every position possible - support, delay, defer; climate change is real, climate change is crap.

    • Farce says:

      10:28am | 01/12/09

      I guess this is where Andika, Carl, Watty, Clive, Wayne, soultrader, doc Sherlock, and the others all slit their wrists.

      Mr Abbott accepts that there is climate change. He accepts, too, that man-made emissions are a contributing cause. He has undertaken that there needs to be an ETS. 

      He’s just said so, on the record.

      Bandaids and mogadons all round for Watty & co.  The rest of you: don’t *ever* let him forget it. Ever.

    • mcdazz says:

      10:28am | 01/12/09

      How is Julie Bishops form - I hope she didn’t get any of Turnbulls blood over that white outfit of hers.

    • Farce says:

      10:30am | 01/12/09

      One informal vote. What a farce. It’ll take, what, an hour before we find out who that dill was?

    • Zeta says:

      10:30am | 01/12/09

      Tabbot Presser, in one word, masterpiece, considered, eloquent by the standards of the man on the Bondi tram, but not smarmy. Confident, but not over confident. Ears? Huge, dominating the screen. Those ears will become a fixture of Australian politics in the coming months. Fixtures as in the door knob sense of the word. Or especially nice taps in a Woolarha home. Laser focus on message. The careful tembre of a man who knows TV and knows how to deliver a grab the way a competent gyno delivers a baby. Profile was spectacular and easily carved for statues, hawkish.

      Julie Bishop was underwhelming, now relegated to the role of Bond girl in a Tabbot production of You Only Live Twice. Penbo on Sky now, after watching Tabs for so long against the same blue background, he looks hideously ugly in comparison and I have to look away. Mind wanders to world under Tabbot - it’s a beautiful place with new born babies EVERYWHERE, screaming, howling on planes, dear Christ what have we done?

      *Zeta immediately fishes the bottle of Justerini & Brooks out of his desk he’s been keeping for the next Al Qaeda attack.&

    • Travis says:

      10:31am | 01/12/09

      Shouldn’t the MPs that have so far announced that they will not contest the next election not be aloud to vote? I know they have the right to but why should they when in 12 months time they’ll be ordinary citizens?

    • Joe Stephens says:

      10:32am | 01/12/09

      @Liberal Voter: you better go start knocking on doors.. because if Abbott has support from half of the party he is actually leading.. how is he going to be respected by the country?

      By the way, anyone who claims to be a true Liberal/Labour voter, has basically been brainwashed and should be ineligible to vote. I’d let members of the Taliban vote before someone who always votes Liberal/Labour, there isn’t much difference.

    • patrick says:

      10:34am | 01/12/09

      Abbott and Bishop,truely the spirual dream team,for Labor…...................

    • Barbara says:

      10:34am | 01/12/09

      A wise move by Joe Hockey. He knows the Liberal’s can’t win an election when they are in such disarray. He will wait for Abbot to fail and for the Liberals to be in a more winning position before casting his hat into the ring

    • Joe says:

      10:36am | 01/12/09

      lololoolo,  THE MAD MONK… Abosoulte classic - his position on public education, womens issues and certain helth topics are all on the record and will marginalise the party…

      What was i last month Australian schools should teach british history..

    • Informed Voter says:

      10:37am | 01/12/09

      Rudd is Anglican, he converted years ago, any person interested even slightly in politics would know that….

    • LuckyLady says:

      10:37am | 01/12/09

      Vote for Work Choice..vote for Tony Abbott..vote for taking awatyGay and Womens rights ..vote for Abbott.  Julie Bishop a 53 year old women runs from man to man espousing their opinions..how can you believe anything she has to say?
      Nick Michin and the sceptcs have won..but have they won our votes? Doubtful, but they will get the same old Liberal voters.. they alot lot more to ever take Government

    • CHRIS MO says:

      10:38am | 01/12/09

      OMG - What a herd of cats. Fair dinkum the Libs are such a ship of fools.

      Abbott can’t even decide ah ah ah his ah ah words for his ah ah next sentence. And these idiots elected him to run for PM?

      IDIOTS. Libs are complete IDIOTS. These are the people who let Howard run for the last election. These are the people who wouldn’t let Costello run for the last election.

      These are the people who now reckon Abbott is the go. The guy can’t think on his feet, his brain is on Dial-Up, the rest of us are on Broadband (Well sorta - you know what I mean).

      The only people more stupid than Liberals, are the people who vote for Liberals.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      10:43am | 01/12/09

      Looks like the Liberal Party has lost a lot of Labor voters, that is no loss at the ballot box.

      The electorate will have a clear choice, and it will make it soon enough.

      Abbott will ensure Labor have to explain policy in something other than a glib, condescending fashion.

      Democracy was in action today and is the winner regardless of your persuasion.

      Turnbull may be a great man but he could not lead an opposition to Government in the current environment since he did not offer a clear alternative in an environment that requires one, unlike ‘07.

    • Juju says:

      10:45am | 01/12/09

      Mrs James says:10:46am | 01/12/09 said “Sickend by this, as a female I will never vote Liberal, this man wants to take away women’s rights and gay rights”  yeah sure you’re a straight female….ha ha,  - you are probably a labor voter anyway, so the Libs won’t miss your vote.

    • Sue says:

      10:49am | 01/12/09

      Well said, Diamantina Dick at 11:43am | 01/12/09, couldn’t put it better myself.  grin

    • Ben says:

      10:50am | 01/12/09

      The point about catholicism is that catholics seem to take a theological position about climate change along the lines that because humanity’s existence on Earth is God’s will then how can anything we do be interpreted as damaging the planet. Presumably they also recognise the logical conclusion of acknowledging the seemingly uncontroversial fact that massive human population growth since the Industrial Revolution has had some impact on the planet.
      What is curious is not that people hold this view, but rather that they have a problem with adopting a strategy to try and ameloriate the problem. What’s wrong with pragmatically acknowledging the impact of humanity on the planet - humans have changed our environment from the beginning of civlisation with cultivation of particular plants and husbandry of particular animals etc etc
      The other curiousities about the shambles that the Liberal Party has become are:
      1. Given that one of the prime causes of today’s event is that is people in the Liberal Party loathes Turnbull, didn’t really believe that he is a Liberal and felt that he was stealing their own party away from them, why did they elect him leader of the party in the first place? They obviously knew all his traits before they tore down Nelson.
      2. Labor ran with an ETS as a core platform at the last election so how can they in all conscience claim that the government doesn’t have an electoral mandate for CPRS? Surely that is what a democracy is - putting up a policy, getting people to vote on it and then implementing it?

    • Lisa New says:

      10:51am | 01/12/09

      In 2000, Tony Abbott was close friends with the CEO of one of the Job Network agencies organising Work for the Dole project participation. This specific agency, in Chatswood in Sydney, supported a favoured company in breaking the law in forcing participation to their project, without choice of others. When I uncovered this and (despite the company’s threats not to) wrote a report to the agency’ management, I was fired and marched off the premises. The report got no response from the ACCC.

      I shiver when I think of Australians being led by a man with so little integrity. A senate debate at the time addressed his lack of integrity in regards to the Job Network:
      Tony Abbott scandalises the Job Network

      A leader? Bring him down.

    • Mrs James says:

      10:53am | 01/12/09

      Juju ..How would you in your high school room know what I am? I have 4 grown children and all are hetrosexual too!! But if they were gay I could not give a bugga.. Every gay person is someones child!! And as Australians they deserve the same rights myself and my children have. You only get one life my dear, and noone has the right to dictate to others how to live theirs.
      Go back to your lessons and this time try to pay attention

    • 6c legs says:

      10:53am | 01/12/09

      Yes Tory, one does know where The Mad Monk stands…on my AND YOUR ovaries, Turnbulls head, he squashes loyalty with his #9s, in fact he “stands” all over the place - anywhere he’s stomping principles is where he stands.

      who knows how to spell: Caretaker Leader?

    • Daryl Saal says:

      10:54am | 01/12/09

      Last week Turnbull won a ballot at 47-35 and was described as a dead man walking. This week Abbott won at 42-41 and some are hailing it as a long term victory. As the redhead said “Please explain”?

    • James says:

      10:54am | 01/12/09

      A brilliant move, go Tony!  Good onya son

    • Jeremy Bentham says:

      10:55am | 01/12/09

      Abbott is a mouth merchant. A good head kicker for an opposition but not an alternative PM.

    • Barb says:

      10:57am | 01/12/09

      @ Joe says:11:36am | 01/12/09

      We should teach British history in schools - you can teach the kids about your hero Chairman Mao in your spare time. Most Australian’s would like to hear about their heritage rather than a mass-killing dictator whom I sure you worship.

    • tony says:

      10:58am | 01/12/09

      The Mad Monk has won leadership in a shonky ballot - no proxies were allowed for the missing liberal and somewhere during the day a vote went missing.  Not exactly like the Florida fiasco that got Bush elected, but still a rabid right wing religious nutter elected in a dubious process.

    • Karen says:

      11:05am | 01/12/09

      Tony Abbott couldn’t lead a tribe of starving hyennas to a game reserve! Isn’t he the back stabbing, snivelling little worm responsible for putting Pauline Hansen behind bars?
      As for Joe Hockey, I used to like him when he and Rudd engaged in friendly political sparring on the Sunrise show. He and Howard brought in that despicable ” Work Choices” policy that saw tens of thousands of Aussies lose their jobs.He even walked the Kokoda Trail with Kevin Rudd as a mate.  Political jealousy perhaps, Mr Hockey?? Leave Turnbull where he is and sack the troublemakers of the Coalition instead!

    • GeeJay says:

      11:06am | 01/12/09

      It has been reported that Tony was overwhelmed by the result..                W e feel that the whole Liberal party will be overwhelmed after the next election , whenever it is held…

    • James says:

      11:06am | 01/12/09

      Your comment:\

      Bring on the “New Democrats” - starring Malcolm Turbull as Don Chipp and Joe Hockey as a rather unconvincing Janine Haines.

    • Ron Law says:

      11:16am | 01/12/09

      I doubt that Kevin Rudd will be too keen to call an election…...I suspect first he will set about dismantling Abbott, like he did with the other two….

    • DG says:

      11:18am | 01/12/09

      The terrible headlines are coming:

      “Abbott leads the faithful to oppose ETS”

      “Abbott preaching to the converted against ETS”

      “Bishop praises Abbott”

      “Abbott has Bishop’s full support”.

      “Abbott and Bishop lead the faithful to the polls”

    • PG says:

      11:23am | 01/12/09

      Well ahem seeing that it is the Festive season to the tune of Jingle bells

      O people skills, people skills
      people skills all the way
      O what fun it is to swim home to Penrith from Watsons bay hey!

      O people skills people skills
      the liberals now have CRED
      please excuse whilst I remove me hat
      and belt meself in the head

    • DM says:

      11:25am | 01/12/09

      Abbott’s leadership has no legitimacy, he won 42 votes out of a possible 85, i.e. less than a majority of the party. One of Turnbull’s supporters was sick in hospital and not allowed to cast a proxy vote. And on saturday two more moderates will (potentially) be elected in Higgins and Bradfield.  Were the vote held next week Turbull would have won.

    • Deliah says:

      11:32am | 01/12/09

      Wilson Tuckey, Bronwyn Bishop and the other hard right sceptics determined to hurtle back into the past are delighted with the mad monks dodgey victory. The forty-one who voted for Turnbull are entitled to feel deeply depressed that good sense has been hijacked by extremists and backstabbers. That said, both Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Hockey looked very relieved that they will not be leading the Liberal Party to an inevitable slaughter at the next election.

    • mcdazz says:

      11:40am | 01/12/09

      @ Barb 11:57am | 01/12/09

      “We should teach British history in schools - you can teach the kids about your hero Chairman Mao in your spare time. Most Australian’s would like to hear about their heritage rather than a mass-killing dictator whom I sure you worship.”

      Wow - you just showed your complete ignorance about the history of the British Commonwealth and the horrendous crimes they committed to spread the British Empire.

      I guess some people will always remain ignorant.

    • mcdazz says:

      11:45am | 01/12/09

      @6c legs 11:53am | 01/12/09

      “who knows how to spell: Caretaker Leader?”

      That’s easy:  A-B-B-O-T-T.

      As one Liberal pollie is reported to have said:

      “The crazies are now in charge of the party”.

    • Kelly says:

      11:47am | 01/12/09

      Well now Rudd has battle on his hands over climate change and his ETS. The polls are showing the voters are starting to move away from Rudds ETS, so Abbott will now be pushing that, with Turnbull on his side he didn’t have to worry too much, could be interesting.

    • mcdazz says:

      11:49am | 01/12/09

      @Karen 12:05pm | 01/12/09

      “Leave Turnbull where he is and sack the troublemakers of the Coalition instead!”

      Vote +1

    • Leuis says:

      12:02pm | 01/12/09

      Chris Uhlmann spoke to one Labor strategist who raised the possibility that some of Abbott’s supporters may have voted for Turnbull in the first round to knock out Hockey.

      Could they possibly have been that organised after the last few days?

    • Pat says:

      12:03pm | 01/12/09

      By his leadership style, Turnbull kicked over a rotten log.  Why though was he sacrificed because some of his colleagues didn’t like what we all saw crawling out from underneath that log?

    • BULMKT says:

      12:03pm | 01/12/09

      Now that Liberal leadership issue is settled, I seriously think the Liberal party should seriously canvass the introduction of a CARBON TAX rather than an ETS. The public does want their political leaders to act on Climate Change but an ETS isn’t the solution whereas a Carbon Tax is.

      It gives the Liberal party a genuine alternative to Rudd’s ETS without the massive distortions on our economy. It also tells Joe Public that the Liberal party are taking the cause of climate change seriously.

      A carbon tax is superior to carbon cap-and-trade systems for seven fundamental reasons:
      1.  Carbon taxes will lend predictability to energy prices, whereas cap-and-trade systems will aggravate the price volatility that historically has discouraged investments in less carbon-intensive electricity generation, carbon-reducing energy efficiency and carbon-replacing renewable energy.
      2.  Carbon taxes can be implemented much sooner than complex cap-and-trade systems. Because of the urgency of the climate crisis, we do not have the luxury of waiting while the myriad details of a cap-and-trade system are resolved through lengthy negotiations.
      3.  Carbon taxes are transparent and easily understandable, making them more likely to elicit the necessary public support than an opaque and difficult to understand cap-and-trade system.
      4.  Carbon taxes can be implemented with far less opportunity for manipulation by special interests, while a cap-and-trade system’s complexity opens it to exploitation by special interests and perverse incentives that can undermine public confidence and undercut its effectiveness.
      5.  Carbon taxes address emissions of carbon from every sector, whereas some cap-and-trade systems discussed to date have only targeted the electricity industry, which accounts for less than 40% of emissions.
      6.  Carbon tax revenues would most likely be returned to the public through progressive tax-shifting, while the costs of cap-and-trade systems are likely to become a hidden tax as dollars flow to market participants, hedge funds, stockbrokers, lawyers and consultants.
      7.  Carbon tax won’t result in another “subprime” like financial crisis.

      Check out the following links about CARBON TAX vs Cap & Trade

      http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/02/14/carbon-tax-or-cap-and-trade-the-debate-we-never-had/

      http://www.carbontax.org/issues/carbon-taxes-vs-cap-and-trade/

      Warren Buffett Slams “Cap and Trade” as a Regressive Tax on All Americans
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoCsFsU_irY

      In-Depth Look - Cap And Trade VS Carbon Tax - Bloomberg
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68pj5QkLME

      Cap and Trade – Glenn Beck FOX (ignore the first 45seconds)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prpODqoV4Vc

      Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket (another reason to dump the ETS and consider a Carbon Tax)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

      And on the lighter side “Hide the Decline”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

    • Milson says:

      12:04pm | 01/12/09

      Rudd won’t be too pleased about Abbotts win, because if the ETS saga has to play out for longer and scrutinised more and Abbott gets on a role with it the voters maybe start listening to Abbott. Rudd won’t want that.

    • Juju says:

      12:05pm | 01/12/09

      Hmmm…Mrs James 11:53am | 01/12/09, but you didn’t say “and I vote liberal” so as I said, your vote already doesn’t make any difference to the Libs.  And what’s that high school crap - I also have 2 grown up children in their 30’s. My uncle was gay and he was in a committed relationship with the same partner for over 50 years. On the other hand there are the Oxford Street type gays who are just root rat women haters and who wouldn’t know what a committed relationship was. I support the former, but I detest the latter.

    • David says:

      12:10pm | 01/12/09

      I want to know why Mr Rudd and Mr Turnbull wanted to rush ETS through without parliament and the people having an opportunity to look at it and question it.  Why would Mr Rudd not allow 3 months to do due diligence on the legislation.  This is not about an argument of for or against ETS, this was about having the time to scrutinise it.  Why does everyone have a problem with that, unless it is bad legislation.  Why are people being called sceptics and climate change deniers, because they say wait we need to look at this legislation.  The arguments criticising Liberals for delaying the legislation are just emotional and irrational.

    • Eno says:

      12:13pm | 01/12/09

      JuJu I think you’re missing the point. Abbott is thoroughly 1950’s with his attitude to women and women’s rights.  The talkback on radio this morning has been filled with women calling in saying that’s it - they can’t vote Liberal while the Mad Monk is in charge due to his attitudes to women’s rights. His attitude to Gay rights is worse (if that’s possible).

    • AUSTRALIANS PAY ENOUGH TAX ALREADY says:

      12:14pm | 01/12/09

      Tony Abbot is the only person is politics to the the COURAGE to slam this ludicrous TAX SCAM and put his neck on the line. For that he deserves support. Any Australian who doesn’t think prices would run rampant under a Rudd ETS are dreaming.

      Increased interest rates, food, fuel, power and on and on and on
      We all just dodged a MASSIVE bullet
      And when Australians realise the devil was in the detail
      Abbot will stand a chance

    • Louise says:

      12:16pm | 01/12/09

      The Monk that is equppied with ‘People Skills’ hey. I hope he and Gillard have resolved that sexual tension because it is about to get very confrontational in QT…finally!

    • Jayvee says:

      12:19pm | 01/12/09

      Finally someone with the balls & honesty to call The Climate Change Believers Religious’ bluff. Enough is Enough. The Danes can go back to awarding medals to people who come up with new lego formations, creating Green Ice for for Greenland & non offending cartoons.

    • D'oh says:

      12:26pm | 01/12/09

      [double take]

      Did a punch journalist just quote Tim Blair and Andrew Bolt in the one paragraph?  That must have hurt.

    • Rohan says:

      12:29pm | 01/12/09

      “Mechanical fault forces Rudd’s plane to turn back to Washington DC” ... What is he scared of the Mad Monk already?

    • Juju says:

      12:30pm | 01/12/09

      Thanks for your comment Eno 01:13pm | 01/12/09. I guess if Tony Abbott is too regressive in his views, he will evertually get the boot.  But it would be nice if liberal voters at least give him a go instead of shrieking ’ I want to be in charge of my own womb’ like some bimbo did yesterday, after he put his hand up for the position of Oppositon leader (not the ‘I’m with you’ leader).  This is about the ETS, so let’s not get sidetracked….

    • Benjamin says:

      12:40pm | 01/12/09

      Eno says:01:13pm | 01/12/09 So is Kevin Rudd. This PM was certainly not elected on his social views so why would you think that will be an issue for the so called ‘mad monk’.

    • 6c legs says:

      01:01pm | 01/12/09

      All those who were apologised to on the 16th November REALLY DOGED a bullet!

      Dunno if I coulda stopped myself hurling my stillettos (heel first) toward those ears… [Abbot told Insiders the week before: “...some people were very well served by those Homes…”.—-YES YOU FOOL, THE PEDOS & SADISITS! ]

      Doh. who am I kidding - there wouldn’t have been a BI-partisan Apology had the mad monk had his way. And our Apology would have been so much poorer without Turnbulls stirring speech. I know that many there thought his speech ‘better’ than the PMs.

      Malcolm, gunna miss you. The invitation still stands - I musta known summin was up when I referred to The Malstrom that is Canberra, and the need for a break… LOL.

      Cheers all, thanks Punch for the best [in my book] coverage! This is the most fun I’ve had since my horse trod on my foot !!! LOL
      Tomatoes have been waiting since last Friday, have time now to plant them…there’ll be plenty of Tabot compost spouting from the laptop/tv/radio so he could put my worms outta a job. Onya tony, you could end up more hated than widdle jonnie! {is that even possible?} LOL

    • Paul says:

      01:05pm | 01/12/09

      Louise, I undertand that Abbott and Gillard had their little love moment in parliament today. I feel sick.

    • orangecrush says:

      01:07pm | 01/12/09

      Yep Abbott certainly has the conviction to oppose the ETS ..... well at least until he changes his mind ..... again!

    • David says:

      01:08pm | 01/12/09

      Why does everyone think Carbon is the problem.  This is the problem with the religeous zealots, they do not open their minds to all the issues.  The largest green house gas is actually, water, H2O, clouds.  That is why in the Australian Desert, it is boiling in the day and freezing at night.  Do people know that France and Japan account for 50% of the nuclear power stations and they pump superheated water into the oceans.  Japan’s nuclear power stations are more likely responsible for warming the pacific ocean and causing the El-nino effect and drought in Australia, than all the carbon dioxide being spewed into the air.  Why shouldn’t Japan be taxed for that action.  Do you know that 50% of the carbon dioxide is absorbed by ocean plankton, who have been diminishing due to not enough minerals being blown out to sea from sand storms, NASA research.  This is a far bigger issue than just man made carbon.  This is why we need to debate, rather than being rushed into narrow minded knee jerk reactions like ETS.

    • Sue says:

      01:14pm | 01/12/09

      **In another sign of solid support for Mr Abbott – despite the one-vote victory in the final ballot against Mr Turnbull – the Liberals have endorsed his policy of deferring the ETS or voting against it this week if the Government’s refuses to defer the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme Bill by a margin of almost two to one. ** So take that all you labor voters who are pedicting the end of the libs - it’s only the end of your crummy ETS.

    • Jason says:

      01:16pm | 01/12/09

      Juju

      I actually know some gay people who vote for the Liberals, they wont vote for Abbot. Gay people don’t allways vote for the Greens or Labor. When you consider all the women and gays who wont vote for Abbot then thats a HUGE voting chunk missing that he needs. Abbot only needs to lose roughly 2% at the next election and thats 17 Liberal seats gone that might take 15 or 20 years to get back. The Liberals made a huge mistake today that cant be easily fixed.

    • Warren says:

      01:32pm | 01/12/09

      This rightwing dingbat has no chance against Kevin Rudd. This will all be over before it starts. And say hello to another few decades in opposition rightwing lunatics.

    • Chris says:

      01:37pm | 01/12/09

      Now how far away from Julia Gillard PM are we then?

    • Juju says:

      01:45pm | 01/12/09

      Thanks for your comment Jason 02:16pm | 01/12/09, but by the same token there is probably a large chunk of voters who wouln’t have voted for the libs if they went through with passing the ETS ie the silent majority - look at what happened in switzerland where polls showed that ‘57% of voters approved the ban on erecting minarets ....  the Swiss Government was surprised and embarassed as they did not expect the result. ’  Despite what they say in public, you never really know how people are going to vote until they get in the booth.

    • Mrs James says:

      02:12pm | 01/12/09

      Juju Dear you really are a pain in the neck..you don’t know me..face it mate you haven’t got a clue. I vote for the party which I feel is doing the best for firstly my family and secondly for my country..thats Australia . I voted for John Howard in all but the last election. At this time I can’t see how seriously expect me or any adult, who has seen this charade going on to vote Liberal. If they can’t run their own party ..how in the hell can they run a whole country. Many Australians are not female but they have wives and mothers and grandmothers and daughters who are female and they want the very best for them. Many Aussies are not gay, I would say the majority but they don’t have a narrow and restricted view, and thats what Mr Abbot will be up against…like it or not

    • Edward says:

      02:41pm | 01/12/09

      Nick Economou - this guy can bugger off.  For those concerned about homosexuals and tony Abbott - I just read today that Tony did not use his beliefs to sway him in his position as health minister.  He could have had quite an impact following his anti-abortion beliefs ... but he didn’t.

    • wolf says:

      02:52pm | 01/12/09

      Was I the only one here who clicket “Abbott” on every online poll I could find over the last couple of weeks to try and bait the libs into doing something stupid?

    • Robyn Fraser says:

      03:16pm | 01/12/09

      Say what they may about Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Hockey, out of all the infighting and total disarray of their political party these two members, along with Ian MacFarlane, are the only people who acted in an honourable way.  The vote was taken on hard fought concessions to the ETS amendments, thanks to the prolonged hard work by Ian MacFarlane and the Liberals voted “yes”.  It appears that powerbroker (Robb) was well enough to pull a few strings, along with Nick Minchin and his conspirators and bingo, we have yet another spill (of blood) in the party room.  So much for cohesiveness and loyalty.  I hope now that many opposition members cross the floor and give Mr Abbott the same feeling of “loyalty” that he aspires to.  What a total fiasco.  What you give out it surely will come back to you. How many of us can afford to behave like this, especially when hardworking taxpayers are footing the bill for such a long and protracted lack of serious planning.

    • Mr. Peabody says:

      03:21pm | 01/12/09

      @AUSTRALIANS PAY ENOUGH TAX ALREADY

      Was the Coalitions ETS that they and ABBOTT took to the last election a TAX SCAM?

    • scio says:

      03:43pm | 01/12/09

      Sue says:    02:14pm | 01/12/09
      “So take that all you labor voters who are pedicting the end of the libs - it’s only the end of your crummy ETS.”

      Is it crummy because of all the amendments that Ian Macfarlane negotiated (and Abbott last week nagged the Liberals to support)?

      Or is it crummy because it is similar to the one Howard took to the 2007 election (and Abbott totally supported)?

      Or are ETS only crummy if a Labor government endorses them (& perfect if it is from a Liberal government)?

    • Steve says:

      04:40pm | 01/12/09

      scio says:04:43pm | 01/12/09

      I say Abbot will position on your last point of course.

    • Badger says:

      04:44pm | 01/12/09

      WELL THAT WILL STOP KRUDDIES TAX GRAB with his E T S , just hope it does not get up this week now with the new Lib Leader against it, for what it is in present form.
            Copenhagen will wonder what we are doing with an EX ROCK and ROLL Singer carrying the Australian Banner Debate for the E T S there.

    • God help us now says:

      04:59pm | 01/12/09

      Watch out folks: we will now be returned to the flat earth theory, which could solve a few problems. If we can get enough people to drop off the edge, their will be fewer polluters, fewer needing bigger houses, and no more need to destroy more of the planet to house all those wanting bigger blocks to put thewir bigger houses on. But I still won’t vote for a party with Nutabbott as its leader, because as PM he would destroy this country. I find it odd that Libs are voting against the ETS when it was Libs who forced it on us to start with by sayong the would not votevote to pass a carbon tax - they just cannot make up their twisted minds.

    • Faul Kinell says:

      05:00pm | 01/12/09

      Anyone interested in a Tony Abbott Toby Jug? I’ve got 10,000 arriving in time for Christmas from China, The inscription reads ’ Sh-t Happens’!

    • Badger says:

      05:26pm | 01/12/09

      WELL THAT WILL STOP KRUDDIES TAX GRAB with his E T S , just hope it does not get up this week now with the new Lib Leader against it, for what it is in present form.
            Copenhagen will wonder what we are doing with an EX ROCK and ROLL Singer and a L—bian carrying the Australian Banner Debate for the E T S there.

    • iansand says:

      06:15pm | 01/12/09

      The last gasp of the free(booting) marketeers.  Forget the ETS - remember the GFC.

      The Liberals are doomed.

    • JTHos says:

      09:52pm | 01/12/09

      I am astounded at so many of these comments. NO ONE HAS BEEN GIVEN THE FULL DETAILS OF THIS ETS LEGISLATION. Not even the senators in parliament yesterday had been given the information that they needed to enable them to understand it.  If those for ETS legislation would like to put their hands up and tell us what they have actually seen of this legislation, please feel free to share it now. TONY ABBOTT is the only person who was prepared to put his neck on the line to listen to the overwhelming majority of people who were opposing this legislation BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T UNDERSTAND IT. Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull DIDN’T WANT US TO KNOW BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT so what does that tell you? The other thing that is of real concern that we should all be asking is WHAT IS KEVIN RUDD SO DESPERATE TO ACHIEVE AT COPENHAGEN WITH THE EURPEAN UNION & WHAT IMPACT WILL IT HAVE ON AUSTRALIANS?

    • Steve says:

      10:02pm | 01/12/09

      After the spill, the motion to delay or reject the ETS (Emissions Taxation! Scheme) was passed 54 to 29. I suspect that if Malcolm had taken a secret ballot in the party room last week, he would have got similar numbers. He knew that, so he tried to govern by decree. Had he taken any other course, he would still be leader, and we’d be stuck with this tax for Rudd to buy more votes with. Thank God for Malcolm’s ego!

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