With the Liberal Party’s rolling leadership crisis set to be resolved one way or another on Tuesday, the Sunday talk shows could have been twice their usual length this week but the hours of analysis would never be able to say as much as this photograph in the morning papers.

'Like Luke Skywalker going to see Yoda': Joe Hockey leaving John Howard's Sydney home yesterday. Photo: Dean Marzolla, News Ltd

As The Sunday Telegraph reported, Joe Hockey went to considerable lengths to avoid being placed at John Howard’s Sydney home, circling the suburbs of North Sydney and pausing in his car before going inside. Also in the paper was a Galaxy poll showing Hockey and Turnbull neck-and-neck as preferred Liberal leaders by a considerable margin over Tony Abbott, but it also found widespread public opposition to the immediate passage of the ETS (you can see it here as a PDF).

But from the morning talk shows, two key points. First, the relationship between Hockey and Turnbull is now pivotal. And second, what happens on Tuesday’s remains anyone’s guess.

Lenore Taylor of The Australian on Insiders neatly summed up the impact of the Hockey-Howard photo on ABC’s Insiders:

I think Joe is thinking about making a run on the basis that you can’t choose your timing and you don’t want to die wondering like Peter Costello will. If he runs he will win and he will be presented as the consensus candidate. But the question is, what’s the consensus?

Her co-panellist Phil Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald said the photo was “like Luke Skywalker going to see Yoda”.

Interviews elsewhere demonstrated the protagonists in the Liberal crisis - save for Joe Hockey, who is still nowhere to be seen - are not for budging. The rhetoric from leading figures was as strong as ever. In particular Malcolm Turnbull showed that while he may be on the ropes, he’s still swinging.

Turnbull on Channel Nine

In an interview with Laurie Oakes, Turnbull said Hockey “told me as recently as last night that I have his complete support. Joe is absolutely at one with me on the need to get this legislation passed”. Translation: To become leader, Hockey’s first act will have to be one of betrayal.

You could see the appetite for the fight in Turnbull’s body language: leaning forward in his chair, left hand on hip and his clenched right hand making its customary up-and-down motion as he rammed home the reason he is determined to battle on: the climate sceptics and emissions trading opponents, led by South Australian Senator Nick Minchin, would condemn the Liberals to electoral oblivion.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s Joe Hockey or Billy Bloggs as the leader. If we put the party back together in accordance with Nick Minchin’s wishes, then we will end up becoming a fringe party of the far right. That is what he’s doing to what used to be a liberal party. John Howard’s broach church is being shattered by Nick Minchin.

Hockey hasn’t spoken publicly since his much-discussed tweet on Friday morning where he sought the public’s views on the ETS. Turnbull spoke for him:

Joe believes that if this bill is not passed, nobody in our party, including him, would have the capacity to present a credible alternative climate change policy.

In the unlikely event that he retains the leadership on Tuesday, Turnbull said he would not bear grudges. “I’m not a hater,” he said. Perhaps not, but there was palpable fury in his words for his opponents. “There is a recklessness and wilfulness in these men which is going to destroy the Liberal Party,” he said. “The only way the Liberal Party can get over this is to get this issue passed. If this issue is not resolved, the climate change war that Nick Minchin and his wreckers have started will continue to destroy the Liberal Party until such time as we are destroyed by Kevin Rudd in an election.”

Kevin Andrews on Channel Ten

Andrews’ appearance on Meet the Press highlighted the intractability of the Liberal divisions. With the Senate sitting tomorrow to continue debating the ETS legislation, he flagged continuing delaying tactics by the Coalition:

We should delay it and if that means talking it out that means talking it out. Whatever we need to do to represent what I believe is the overwhelming view now of people who are talking to us and who have been polled.

He was pressed by The Age’s Michelle Grattan on the task that faces any new leader: unifying the party.

Andrews: What we’ve got to find a way through is how we can bring all of my colleagues together –
Grattan: But you can’t do that. You can’t do that.
Andrews: Well, well, I think we can Michelle. We have to look at a way that all of us can actually respect the overwhelming view of our supporters and Liberal Party supporters around Australia.

He did, albeit at some length, explain the position that any new leader will have to accommodate to placate the anti-ETS wing in the party. Here it is:

There is a range of people in the Liberal Party, some who are opposed to it, but some who say that, “Look, I’m not opposed as such to some sort of legislation but this legislation will not do the work.” For example, 750,000 small businesses in Australia are not going to be compensated properly or adequately for this ETS. It’s all right to say that lie will get some compensation for a period of time. The majority of middle-income earners in Australia are going to be worse off under this legislation. Once we have it in place, it’s going to be there forever, it’s going to cascade through the economy and it’s going to make Australia less competitive than other countries around the world. So it’s not whether or not you are a sceptic or you have a different view about the legislation. We’re saying, the majority of us, I believe in the party, are saying for a variety of reasons this piece of legislation is not going to achieve what is desired.

Julia Gillard and Paul Kelly on ABC TV

Gillard, who is acting PM with Kevin Rudd out of the country, started her interview on Insiders by saying wasn’t going to comment on the Liberal leadership. She then proceeded to spend a considerable amount of time discussing it.

She telegraphed the government’s intention to pin Joe Hockey, should he be elected leader, on his previous support for the ETS as part of Turnbull’s leadership team. She then brought up the matter of his tweet on Friday that was widely read as Hockey’s signal that he might be prepared to shift his position on the bill.

He can’t govern the nation by tweet. People don’t expect their politicians to just text out a message - imagine, you know, `What do you think the defence budget should be?’ And apparently a whole lot of tweets come back and you accept that. That’s not leadership.

Paul Kelly of The Australian, meanwhile, said he believed the decisive factor in the leadership contest was the relationship between Hockey and Turnbull. If Hockey was prepared to run against Turnbull, he would require two conditions, according to Kelly. First, “he doesn’t want blood on his hands”, so the question is “will Malcolm Turnbull step back to allow Joe Hockey to step forward”. And second, the party would need to clarify its position on the ETS before Tuesday’s partyroom meeting.

Given what we saw this morning from Turnbull and Andrews, neither condition looks likely to be satisfied. But then recent events have shown that a day, let alone a week, is a long time in politics.

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    • James P says:

      01:25pm | 29/11/09

      Turnbull should win again on Tuesday, if he doesn’t the Liberal Party will be sent to the wilderness for ever I’m afraid. Hockey as Leader? Whats the point he holds and is on record saying he believes the ETS should be passed before Copenhagen. So if Turnbull and Hockey have the same view whats the point in changing Leader? Hockey is not Leader material, seems like a nice bloke, but being a leader needs more than just being a nice bloke who can be pushed around by the likes of Abbott and Minchin. Abbott as Leader? Hilarious.

    • Gibbot says:

      01:28pm | 29/11/09

      I hope they provided a rubber donut for Bolt’s ‘special chair’ this morning. I hear he’s suffering calculator damage.

      The call of the GREAT GREEN TAX is especially rich, considering it was Liberal amendments that handed industrial polluters a get out of jail free card at the expense of the taxpayer.

      Some people have no shame.

    • Emily's Nephew says:

      01:31pm | 29/11/09

      Here’s a couple of questions that I have seen nobody comment on yet.

      Seems there was a narrow majority in the party early last week for passing the government’s amended legislation on the basis of changes that had been sought by the opposition’s negotiating team.

      Then the opponents of that have since sought to white ant the agreement.

      1.  What is the future for the party where one section continuously works to thwart the view of the majority, behaving like spoilt children?

      2.  How can the government be expected to negotiate with an opposition that welshes on agreements reached in good faith?

      I think the senate is now out of control.  The only solution to that is a double dissolution.  Bring it on!

    • Betsy says:

      01:55pm | 29/11/09

      It seems if you lose a spill over the leadership, you just have another one, and another and another until hopefully one day you get your own way. How rediculas this makes Abbott and Minchin look. These guys don’t seem to understand that the majority win and they are the minority. If Malcom doesn’t win this spill AGAIN then the Liberal Party have no credibility left.

    • Julian Thomas says:

      02:03pm | 29/11/09

      gee I didnt think the Punch published on Sundays, or even a Saturday but I guess the mess that is the 2009 Liberal Party makes that impossible

    • Lenny says:

      02:09pm | 29/11/09

      Totally agree Betsy, if Turnbull wins yet again Abbott and Minchin and their followers should pack their bags and leave. If they can’t serve under Turnbull then get out! They accuse Turnbull of not having the majority in the party room? hello! It’s them who don’t have the majority.

    • Eric says:

      02:26pm | 29/11/09

      I am sure the Liberal Party appreciates all the helpful advice from Labor Party supporters on these pages.

    • Old Bert says:

      02:29pm | 29/11/09

      Regardless of the flurry of “what if”, there’s only one tenet, a prospective leader should have an unshakeable view of how he or she can make changes to protect and enhance it’s citizens’ welfare. They must have an integrity above reproach. If Mr Hockey or anyone else has a faint image of this principle, they ought not apply for this job. It’s a huge one. Let not the “best” man win, rather, the “better man” win. “One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority.
      “Doctor Pinero” in Life-Line (1939)

    • Mr Samuel DiGiovanni says:

      02:29pm | 29/11/09

      This is a turning point for the liberal party and Turnbull is justified by his action to date he needs to stay and fight and libs need to rid themselves of the right extremist once and for all just like labor did when they rid themselves of the loony left before they became electable and a modern thinking party
      The politics of the extremist in the party have always been about fear smear and untruths which brings out hatred in our society it ugly politics let not forget Andrews with work choices dr haneef affair muslin fear and more Abbott who did not have the courage to ask Howard ro resign and yet he stooged Costello in believing that he would support him in leadership battle against Howard and some appalling comments re woman and abortion and more and then we have Michin who wants to go further in terms of work choices which basically wants no rights for workers at all recall the comments he made at H.R.nichols society meeting and his ridiculous comments on the communist have taken over the climate change issue SO THESE ARE THE CAPTIANS OF THE EXTREME RIGHT TO ALL LIBERAL VOTERS DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT THEM TO LEAD YOUR PARTY

    • Muzz says:

      02:39pm | 29/11/09

      If Hockey doesn’t throw his hat into the ring and Turnbull wins, they’ll be saying that the majority want Hockey as leader. OH when will it ever end!

    • Louis McLennan says:

      02:45pm | 29/11/09

      I’d like to see Abbot leader and Hockey deputy. Lenny is right if this spill fails then the real Liberals should leave and make a Real Liberal party. They will have become a minority in their own party.

      However, Hockey as leader ain’t to bad. I haven’t seen enough of him yet to get a good grasp of him.

      Julian Thomas it is strange… I didn’t know ALP voters worked Sundays.

    • DaS Energy says:

      02:55pm | 29/11/09

      The muppets Bohemian Rhapsody saize it all. If every there was was a parody of politics this surely is it. Just have to love the antics keeping the voter distracted from a minor fact of having no policy other than allowing no policy to makes its mark on climate change.

    • orangecrush says:

      03:08pm | 29/11/09

      The things the Libs don’t seem to understand is that voters who are ‘Right’ of Turnbull all still vote for the LNP even if they don’t agree with him.  However, if Turnbull is rolled , there will be a whole lot of LNP voters ‘Left’ of Abbott who would potentially be lost to the Labor Party.

    • Emily's Nephew says:

      03:19pm | 29/11/09

      Has anyone else thought how bizarre it is to have Phil R pontificating on what’s the right thing for the party to do.  I guess he’ll agree that an agreement entered in good faith should be honoured?

    • mike_in_mudgee says:

      03:32pm | 29/11/09

      Don’t you just love love the Yoda/Muppet analogy!  The Libs have produced a low rent B-grade feature starring Jolly Joe as The Evil Minchkin’s glove puppet.  Beautiful.  And of course we must have Kermit singing “Its Not Easy being Green” as the theme song.

    • Al says:

      03:35pm | 29/11/09

      James P says:02:25pm | 29/11/09 “Turnbull should win again on Tuesday, if he doesn’t the Liberal Party will be sent to the wilderness for ever I’m afraid.” Heard of creating a new political party James? Takes more courage than Labor have had since their creation.

    • Stephen says:

      03:56pm | 29/11/09

      orangecrush, that is actually incorrect. How do think the Liberal Party was created? It is interesting reading if you have the time. What is even more interesting is what such a historical moment in Australia’s political history (creating such a political movement) does to the Labor Party. Its always been born out of opposition to Labor.

    • iansand says:

      04:06pm | 29/11/09

      What is this “real Liberal Party”?  The party as it was before Howard, when I used to vote for it, or the cruel, self centred ideologues that Howard has fostered?  Turnbull and Hockey would fit right into that party.  Abbott and Minchin would not.

    • Kingston says:

      04:18pm | 29/11/09

      It’s all John Howards fault, if he would have passed the Leadership to Costello before the last election they would still be in Government and none of this would have happened, and Rudd would be in Opposition where he belongs.

    • Speak up says:

      04:35pm | 29/11/09

      So there we have it. Mr Hockey, lacking either courage or conviction to make up his own mind, dithers and sneaks his way on a not-quite quiet enough Sunday morning to Wollstonecraft, to seek the councel of a failed Prime Minister. What backbone. What credibility.

      Meanwhile, having given way to God alone knows what weaknesses of character, a dishonest and dishonourable rump seeks to betray the Liberal Party’s principles, while whippping up mob hysteria by blog as an excuse to change its duly elected policy and leader.

      This tawdry campaign, fomented by Senator Minchin in utter disregard of the wider political consequences;  and carried forward by the insult and spite of anonymous bloggers who would prefer to be spoon-fed pap by the swanking scribblers of the Telegraph and etc rather than read or think for themselves; will in decades to come pass into history as the most shameful episode in Australian history short of the Chinese race riots of the 19th Century.

      Is this how we in this great country are to decide our policies? Our Leaders? By Blog rule? By Mob Rule? 

      Senator Minchin, you have set loose The Mob. How do you think you will control it when it turns elsewhere in some fresh hysteria? For some fresh Liberal “head on a pike”? Where will you turn then Senator? You will have no Party process left that will have any credit. What will you do? Declare a curfew?

      I think I want to vomit.

    • S.L says:

      05:03pm | 29/11/09

      I will be listening with great interest this week to hear what spin Alan Jones puts on this whole affair on 2GB in Sydney. Labor will feel his “boot in the guts” for sure. Then he will justify the motives of each of the leadership candidates as both honourable and in the interests of the people. Then he will only allow callers who agree with him on air while the Liberal party implodes…......
      Funny thing is I am behind Tony Abbot 100% on the climate issue and I commend him for the stand he’s making. I also hope all the effort put into the debate on the myth of global warming will end soon so those who are entrusted to running our country will resume their mandate.
      A funny quote I heard this week ” it’s impossible to get between Joe Hockey and a TV camera!”

    • T.Chong says:

      05:11pm | 29/11/09

      The voters wont forget that it was Hockey who tried to sell the wonders of serfchoice.
      Wage earners who are the vast majority of voters, will remember it was Joe who tried to tell them that having no rights,take it or leave it was a good thing. LOL. 3 terms in opposition now.

    • scio says:

      05:12pm | 29/11/09

      All the commonwealth nations have backed plans for a $US10 billion ($11 billion) fund which will be used to immediately assist the most vulnerable countries against the effects of global warming.

      This is a disaster - not only has he Queen turned communist but it seems she has dragged the whole commonwealth into this global communist conspiracy.


      Please please please - get away from these evil purveyors of fake science - become a republic now

    • Mike says:

      05:41pm | 29/11/09

      If Turnbull wins and leads the Coalition to the next election he will lose the base completely and be lucky to get 30% at the next election. He is acting like a suicide bomber. People will switch to other parties like the Nationals and the new Climate Sceptics Party which is being formed. That is why there were mass resignations from the front bench.  And why not after the climate gate scandal why would Liberal voters support a party that supports higher taxes, bigger and more intrusive government. Turnbull is a progressive and that is not what most Liberal voters want.

    • Biff says:

      05:44pm | 29/11/09

      I don’t think there should be any tears for Mr Turnbull. When Brendan Nelson faced the glare of the TV cameras to announce that he had been selected as leader of the Liberal Party, standing in the background was Mr Turnbull who looked piqued. He seemed like a frustrated Napoleon: surely the Liberal Party was aware of his desire for power and his genius for leadership. That’s when the white ants were let loose. Mr Turnbull has more in common with Napoleon than he realises. Every day Napoleon’s physicians gave him an enema to relieve stomach cramps. Mr Turnbull is on the verge of getting an enema at the hands of the Liberal Party quacks when next the party holds its leadership raffle.

      Just who will draw the lucky door prize is unknown. Big avuncular Joe Hockey is being urged to buy a ticket although he is a bit of a risk. It was Big Joe who fumbled the ball while HIH was going belly-up. Big Joe seems to lack the ability to concentrate for more than 5 minutes.

      Tony Abbott is being touted as a possible leader but is the Liberal Party ready for a dreamer. He established a trust to set up the Australians For Honest Politics group despite there being no evidence to support the notion that honesty has any connection with politics.

      That’s about the extent of the potential candidates for opposition leader. One thing is for sure and that is no one knows just where and when those blasted white ants will strike again.

    • Kevin07 says:

      06:01pm | 29/11/09

      I’d say instead of Luke visiting Yoda it should be Darth Vader visiting the Emperor.

    • Cooba says:

      06:00pm | 29/11/09

      WTF Hockey teams - up with Duddo the bloke prepared to sell his electorate. Get real Hockey if you want credibility stick with Turnbull.

    • Alex White says:

      06:51pm | 29/11/09

      @Scio - “the Queen is in cahoots with the global communist conspiracy”. Funniest comment from a climate change denalist fruit loop I’ve heard for a while.

    • James says:

      06:56pm | 29/11/09

      I hate to say it but the Right is right. And I hate the Right. But now is no time to pass an ETS, what with Climategate confirming suspicions that data manipulation and perversion of peer review have manufactured a “consensus” that suits a deep green ideology.
      Hockey can suck it up and go the Keynes quote:
      “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”
      Climategate provides good cover for that approach, especially with likely US Senate and UK Lords enquiries. If he gets in, he has to go hard against man-made warming and the ETS, otherwise all the pain is for nothing.

    • Dan says:

      07:54pm | 29/11/09

      I recently voted in the Higgins by-election. While I didn’t vote for the Liberals, it wuld be interesting if the result stands; I mean, will the Liberal party still be around in a month or so?!

    • Dan says:

      07:56pm | 29/11/09

      Good reply Speak up. Tyhe whole thing is disgusting.

    • KLR says:

      08:20pm | 29/11/09

      Good on the Liberal Party , they were in an unwinnable position for the next election anyway.  Politics isnt integrity, it isnt a business, its checkers with the support of common sense. The liberals next move will be for their electorates and not for Kevin Rudd’s Labor Party. This party played follow the leader and expected the Liberals to do the same thing. Morals and Credibility, oh please , lets start with the Kevin Rudd Labor Party, because there has been no other Labor Party like this before.

    • Mick says:

      10:32pm | 29/11/09

      Kevin07 ... it is not Darth Vader visiting the Emperor, it is a rerun of the famous Abbott and Costello.

    • Mick says:

      10:32pm | 29/11/09

      Kevin07 ... it is not Darth Vader visiting the Emperor, it is a rerun of the famous Abbott and Costello.

    • watty says:

      12:51am | 30/11/09

      My memory must be shot completely.

      I honestly thought Keating challenged Hawke,who had just increasedLabor’s majority, at least twice until he grabbed the Prime Minister’s Office from Bob Hawke.

      Keating would have kept challenging for the Leadership until he and his supporters ousted Hawke.

      But of course that is different….that’s the Labor way.

    • watty says:

      01:05am | 30/11/09

      Quoting Grattan and the Deputy Leader of the Labor Party as “sources” of info on the Coalition is really pushing the envelope.

      Might I suggest that the “unloseable elections” like the Hewson and Keating ones usually come from a degree of over confidence.

      \I wouldn’t expect the Coalition to get anywher near the Rudd Government in the next election but hopefully they will have their act back together again as the y did in 1996.

    • Todd says:

      06:54am | 30/11/09

      I do find interesting that Joe Hockey visited a former much respected Prime Minister to ask advice when considering a tilt at the leadership whilst Krudd sought the advice of a convicted fraud inBrian Burke

    • watty says:

      07:49am | 30/11/09

      S.L   obviously with such a camera shy Prime Minister as Kevin07 there is an abundance of TV camera time available for Hockey.

    • jack Gilbert says:

      09:17am | 30/11/09

      I would have thought Joe Hockey would think of his young family before commiting to the leadership of the liberals, they are such a young family

    • S.L says:

      10:41am | 30/11/09

      @watty. I agree Mr Rudd enjoys his time as much on TV as anyone but the quote I heard on Meet the Press was directed at “Hollywood Joe” in reference to the leadership challenge this week and the amount of air time he’s recieving compared to Messers Abbott and Andrews.

    • Julian Thomas says:

      09:42pm | 30/11/09

      “Julian Thomas it is strange… I didn’t know ALP voters worked Sundays. Louis McLennan”, well someone has to pay the taxes so your “private” businesses can even see black through deductions

    • Piotrek says:

      03:50pm | 07/02/12

      Ron: What a “welcome” intviatiie! Striving for a Liberal Future! And I applaud your support for grassroots. You, your work and your commitment are what LPC needs. I want you for LPC President – to lead us into the future – striving for our party & striving for our country! Thank-you for stepping up to the plate. You have my support. Heather

    • Kalpesh says:

      11:20am | 10/02/12

      Sorry, $400 = .000000001% of a boliiln dollars.  My company prolly loses that in paper clip employee thievery every year.

 

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