Forget Malcolm Turnbull. The biggest casualty of the Utegate debacle might not be the individual but the organisation, with the federal Liberals now looking like the hapless state oppositions in NSW, SA, Victoria and Queensland which dutifully turn up every few years on polling day for some ritualised humiliation.

Eric Lobbecke's take on Turnbull in last week's Daily Telegraph

Turnbull has pulled off an unprecedented and unenviable hat-trick in the polls this morning. He’s copped it in the neck in Newspoll, his approval rating falling an unprecedented 19 per cent, the biggest single drop in Newspoll’s 25-year history, with the party vote dropping three points to give Labor a thumping 56 to 44 lead, two-party preferred. He’s been flogged by Nielsen, his disapproval rocketing up 13 points to a whopping 60 per cent. And he’s been caned by Galaxy, with more than half the voters saying he was at best deceitful over the Utegate affair.

Whether Turnbull is safe or not may no longer be the question. The bigger questions is whether the party itself can survive the horrors of the past seven days.

The most telling current precedent for Malcolm Turnbull’s woes is the implosion of the South Australian Liberal Opposition over a similar hoax scandal.

Liberal Leader Martin Hamilton-Smith is expected to face a challenge, possibly within days, after his cavalier efforts in Parliament two months ago where he used a bundle of forged documents to accuse Premier Mike Rann of impropriety, only to issue a full and unreserved climb-down apology later that day. A poll published by Adelaide’s Sunday Mail yesterday showed that the voters had absolutely no tolerance for Mr Hamilton-Smith’s japes, and are ready to punish him at the polls. This against an incumbent long-serving premier who has collected a few scandals in his time and should by rights be under at least some kind of political pressure.

There was one paragraph in the Sunday Mail’s report on SA which you could soon insert into any analysis of the federal landscape: “Liberal MPs have been assessing support for a leadership change but so far no candidate has emerged with enough support to mount a challenge.”

Talking to one NSW Liberal this morning, the frightening scenario for the federal Libs is that they are in danger of getting onto the leadership merry-go-round which has made them look almost permanently unelectable in states such as NSW and SA.

NSW has come to resemble a recycling program for conservatives - since Labor was elected, the voters have seen Peter Collins, Kerry Chikarovski, John Brogden, Peter Debnam, and now Barry O’Farrell, who is there more because of a lack of alternatives than any impassioned support within the party. His handling of the job has been the subject of scorn by federal Libs who have not forgiven him for “trashing the brand” by voting against power privatisation in an expedient and tactically foolish attempt to maximise pressure on then-premier Morris Iemma. His latest outrage was to side with the Greens last week, in defiance or ignorance of years of Liberal Party policy, to prevent the publication of school performance rankings.

The federal Libs say they are waiting for “the dust to settle” over Utegate but the problem is they may have actually been buried by it and may not emerge for years.

The fractured nature of their outfit is underscored by the preferred leader question in Nielsen today: you’ve got Peter Costello, who’s quitting, on 37 per cent, Joe Hockey on 21 per cent, Malcolm Turnbull on 18 per cent, a full four points ahead of someone called Don’t Know on 14 per cent, with Tony Abbott bringing up the rear on 10 per cent.

The margin for error is 5 per cent - along with Don’t Know, perhaps worth a quiet flutter on a unity ticket.

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    • iansand says:

      12:09pm | 29/06/09

      I hope the lesson all parties learn from this is that the electorate is over smear politics.  At least I hope we are.

    • wendy sweetie says:

      12:24pm | 29/06/09

      They would do well to reinvent themselves,its about time Australia had an entire new system of government as history tells us more of the same just doesn’t work.Australia is not the new little world of multiculturism,People come here to be Australians not to start up more of the same of where they have left.Our new comers need to be taught our laws and our ways of life.That is what they want to do.Women coming here from all over the world need to be told that as Australians they are equal to everyone else here,they can choose who they want to marry,where they want to work and who they want to have as their good friends.Women coming to Australia and men as well, aren’t getting the Australian message.Our leaders owe it to us, all the Australian peoples to keep Australia, Australian.Thats what we all want and what should be the goal of our leaders.

    • Dave says:

      12:47pm | 29/06/09

      Turnbull’s starring in his own version of “Wake in Fright”:
      Gormless city-slicker politician finds himself stranded in the poll outback after a dodgy old ute story he was suckered into buying from a shady Canberra dealer blows up and plunges him into a gothic nightmare world from which there’s no apparent escape.

    • wolf says:

      01:07pm | 29/06/09

      So when you take into account the margin of error you could potentially pick someone up off the street and they wont be any less popular than the current “leadership” offered by the liberals.

      I therefore propose Humphry B Bear as leader.  He’s someone the electorate can relate to and he knows when to keep his mouth shut.  Sure he doesnt wear pants, but that will be nothing new for a liberal leader.

    • RT says:

      01:23pm | 29/06/09

      And the real worry for NSW voters is that the only way to rid ourselves of the hopeless Rees Labor government is by electing the Barry O’Farrell/uglies faction dominated Liberals, a party so devoid of principle that they recently defied longstanding Liberal policies such as privatisation of the electricity industry and the publishing of school rankings for short-term political gain. What are we supposed to think that the NSW Libs stand for? They stand for not being the Rees govt and nothing else, it seems.  NSW, my heart bleeds for you.

    • Neil says:

      01:26pm | 29/06/09

      Well if the latest opinion polls are corrrect then Australians seem to think it’s OK for the PM and Swan to help out mates and lie about it. What Turnbull did was try and make them own up to it and tell the truth, He was leaked a fake email but he didn’t lie.

    • pix says:

      01:39pm | 29/06/09

      its karma.
      all the shocking karma buily up by the libs from the howard reign, karma from the dismissal,  and from kennett ‘s victoria abuse, it all went *thwack* in the face of the latest liberal to behave so badly. utegate was the straw that broke the liberals karma camels back.
      they wont survive.
      and krudd’s appearence on rove last night has cemented this latest liberal freak show into the collective memories of tomorrows voters.
      the libs wont survive. no chance.

    • Nathan says:

      01:40pm | 29/06/09

      Couldn’t agree more with RT. The last couple of Liberal Opposition spokespeople I have heard on the radio has given me hope my 2 y/o could lead the party. When does pre-selection close?

    • pix says:

      01:40pm | 29/06/09

      @ neil;
      pffffft. hook line sinker and copy of angling times, eh? dont be such a muppett.

    • Ben Payne says:

      01:56pm | 29/06/09

      Hey Penbo, you’re not thinking big enough – sure, Turnbull is irrelevant, but I think people are starting to realise that so is Rudd. 

      The whole concept of public accusations under the protection of parliamentary privilege is such a waste of time. 

      If someone breaks the law, they should be investigated by the police, and if guilty, should be charged, not called on to resign.

    • RT says:

      02:05pm | 29/06/09

      Neil, mate, take off the blinkers. Turnbull didn’t lie? First he said he didn’t know Grech, then he said he’d met him once briefly, then we find out he had a discussion with Grech and was shown the text of the email. The email, remember, that Turnbull earlier said he hadn’t seen. Then there was Turnbull first promising full cooperation with the police inquiry then limiting that cooperation. Turnbull’s flip flops and looseness with the truth about this business is what’s hurt him. Compared to Swan’s dealings, it’s a problem.

    • Jeff Mueller says:

      02:12pm | 29/06/09

      If Andrew Robb’s parting words are to be believed the Libs might make Senator Fielding irrelevant- unless he’s just been kidnapped to b e taken to eth Heartland Institute.  He mightcome back a smoker and an AGW sceptic.

    • john says:

      02:16pm | 29/06/09

      LOL David, you are missing the point, use Turnbull has hurt himself bad by jumping the gun, but look at the Terminal NSW gov, eventually the ALP infighting will be exposed just like the liberal infighting.  When the media get a backbone and bring up the issues of Union standoffs with right wing and left wing labor and how the place unfit people into parliment to satisfy a union or factions needs. And when unemployment rises and infaltion rises over the next year we will see another swing in the polls, the Liberals will not win the next Fed election, but they will win in Vic and NSW at state levels.

    • Peter says:

      02:23pm | 29/06/09

      Of all the hysterical henny penny pieces over the run of bad polls for Turnbull and the Liberals this is the most egregious.  Does anyone delve into history anymore.  From the early 1980s until the early 1990s the political landscape was a wasteland for the conservatives.  Then Kennett won in Victoria, Court in WA, Borbidge in Qld (for a little while) etc.. Grim times and plenty of silly predictions of the Liberals and Nats demise.  Then the conservatives got tossed out in the late 1990s.  And they are back in WA and does anybody think the ALP will win in the next NSW poll.  Political parties don’t implode in the common law demcracies where there is (generally) one broad right and a broad left party (US, UK, Canada, New Zealand) and a few on the edges.  The last major party broad based party to go bust in Australia was the United Australia Party and that happened by degrees over a few years in the pre and World War 2 years.  Everyone take a deep breath and apply a bit of perspective!

    • Simon Sharwood says:

      02:30pm | 29/06/09

      Exaggeration.
      At this point in the political cycle, the Libs are bound to have infighting and no clear policy platform.
      Give them a year or three to sort themselves out and once they get a sniff of real interest from the electorate watch the unity and cohesion return. And by then we won’t care about their policies, anyway. They’ll just look better than the other mob.

    • GK says:

      03:04pm | 29/06/09

      Let me get this right, it is OK for the Labour party to do deals for mates who give them free gifts, then go on Rove in search of the popular vote, the slurping labour gravy train lurches to another PR success.  The gulibility of the public is truly astounding.

    • Marilyn says:

      03:18pm | 29/06/09

      GK, here is your problem.  The ALP didn’t do anything wrong at all, their mate got nothing.

      But Turnbull’s mate got $10 million for a dodgy thingy about rain making and Howard’s brother got millions while Howard’s mate Dick Honan reaped $500 million on ethanol.

      Get a grip mate.

      David’s right, but it has to be remembered that the Murdoch media were beating this horse long after it died and one has to wonder why.

      Did Chris Mitchell lose his hairpiece or just lend it to Rod Blagoivitch, former governor of Illionois.

      Rudd asked for an investigation or two, that is hardly a man trying to cover up.

    • Leo says:

      03:21pm | 29/06/09

      I find it hard to believe the latest opinion poll. Surely so many Aussies can’t be stupid enough to fall for Rudds ever chasing MOST POPULAR PM? I know the opposition don’t have a lot going for them at the moment, but Rudd should get down off his pediastal. What an embarassment he was on Rove! I bet he kisses the mirror every night before he goes to bed, and pins the latest opinion polls to his wall.  God help Australia..

    • Scott to trot says:

      03:30pm | 29/06/09

      GK,

      I agree, the gullibility of the public is astounding. To accept 11 years of John Howard with Children O/B, AWB, Peter Reith, The Republic “referendum”, Iraq War and then even considering voting for a self interested merchant banker who has slit the throat of anyone who got in the way of his greedy ambition, including the 1000’s of HIH losers…perhaps the public is finally waking up.

    • Terry says:

      03:43pm | 29/06/09

      The incompetence is even worse at an organisational level - look at the lack of leadership at the Federal Secretariat.

    • Timothy says:

      04:01pm | 29/06/09

      Talk about greedy ambition, how about show pony Rudd, if he’s not chasing a job with the UN I’ll eat my hat.  LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME! Watch that halo Rudd they tend to slip!

    • Ryan says:

      04:22pm | 29/06/09

      The Liberal Party is the most successful political party federally in the past 60 years. There is no chance that the Liberals will fold up and die as people are yearning for proper leadership, not the media cycle obsessed media tart we currently have leading us, who has only taken decisions based on whether they would be popular are not. I truly believe, Australians as a whole are not that dumb!

    • Luke says:

      04:27pm | 29/06/09

      The Libs will do no good while they continue on with their arrogant attitude of born to rule. They used the politics of fear and smear in the Howard years to help them stay in power many examples of this can be given such as the Children over board, and work choices.  In all these affairs the arrogant attitude of the lib party was that they could do no wrong. After 11 years of this the Australian people woke up and Howard and his cronies were booted out of office. After losing office you would think they might start looking at the reasons why, and come up with some new ways of looking at things. However this hasn’t happened and they continue to try and win voters over with their fear and smear style politics. The whole utegate affair has just reiterated this image of the party to the public and painted Malcolm Turnbull as an arrogant leader who believes he is always right, and with that image in place they have little to no hope of regaining government.

    • Harris says:

      04:38pm | 29/06/09

      It’s only very early days for labour in Government, they have a long road to travel. We shall see what destruction they leave in their path, especially with self imprtant MR Popular at their helm. Liberals will regroup, and be back.

    • E says:

      04:38pm | 29/06/09

      I suspect public sympathy for Turnbull is rising - continuing rumblings over his complete balls up (it’s totally embarrassing to the public eye but he appears near embarrasment proof…)  is paving the way. slowly but surely we are getting sick of kicking him in the guts, even though he does deserve it ... will we regret it?

    • Scott says:

      04:51pm | 29/06/09

      Forget Utegate, what has and will continue to relegate the conservatives to irrelevance is the fact that they have moved so far to the right they don’t represent mainstream values anymore. We’ve known for years that the politicians here just follow the policies formulated in Washington and London. Since Reagan and Thatcher, the conservatives have been moving further and further to the right to the point that they are now viewed as corporate puppets. The voters didn’t see that as a problem until it started to bite their hip pockets. We’ve seen the fallout of that extreme right wing ideology and we are all paying the bills for it. Until the conservates come back to the middle, they will stay marginalized.

    • Ian Borg says:

      04:54pm | 29/06/09

      We get the politicians we deserve. With the apparent inability of the electorate to see what is happening untilo it is too late, we need a different electoral system.
      Doing away with compulsory voting would do for a start. The number pf people who vote would decrease greatly, but at least those who vote would be those who take an interest in the affairs of the nation.

    • Damien says:

      05:06pm | 29/06/09

      Having Rudd as leader will be the eventual undoing of the Labour Party. People became sick of Howard, but it took 11 long years, and unfortunately for Labour Rudd was the only alternative. He might be doing well in the short term,but I don’t like his chances in the long run. He obviously thinks very highly of himself and is very self assured. This eventually will work against him and Labour.

    • Emily's Nephew says:

      05:25pm | 29/06/09

      Ian, that is a silly comment.  Look what happened in Britain.  You want BNP-equivalents voted in here?

    • Steve B says:

      05:45pm | 29/06/09

      I think more and more people are realising that there is so little actual difference between the Labor and Liberal parties, they just don’t care anymore. We’ve become so used to BOTH parties games that we now expect our politicians to be dishonest. If the Liberals really want to connect with their electorates (State or Federal) they should take a look at the founding principles of their party and start developing some policies that actually fit with it.

    • David says:

      05:53pm | 29/06/09

      Haha Neil, it isn’t about whether Turnbull was dishonest it is about his ability to be disciplined and measured in his decision-making and leadership - clearly something he failed to demonstrate by missing the bigger target of Swan by aiming for Rudd.

      You also seem to be completely misinformed as to what the evidence says about what the PM did (and what Swan did). I recommend fact checks to inform your position, not letting your position dictate your facts.

      Swan provided proof that other dealerships received “more favourable” attention from his office than the dealership that gave Rudd the ute (the ute was perfectly legal and declared appropriately).

      Thanks to Turnbull’s ineptitude, lack of control and foresight he failed to push this point and Swan is scuffling away breathing a sigh of relief while Rudd gets to prance around pointing at Turnbull’s poor leadership and in the next breath tell everyone how Labour is focusing on important matters.

    • Giles says:

      06:04pm | 29/06/09

      If the people of Australia keep voting for incompetent and sometimes corrupt Labor governments at the state and federal levels then they have no one to blame but themselves.  It isn’t the NSW oppositions fault that the voters wanted an incompetent Labor government.  In a democracy the people get the voters they deserve.

    • Rex Taylor says:

      06:09pm | 29/06/09

      I agree with Wendy Sweetie. It’s all those foreigners coming here and not having cosmetic surgery to make them look like true Aussies that caused Malcolm to use a forged document to accuse the Prime Minister of Australia of corruption. Dunce! The next Liberal PM may well not have had their 30th birthday yet so Liberal groupies should be patient and get used to irrelevance!

    • Allan says:

      06:33pm | 29/06/09

      It is amazing that the old line about O’Farrell not falling into line with Iemma’s power station sell off still gets a run.
      O’Farrell has consistently argued that any sell off has to be in the public interest.
      Iemma’s sell off to “mates” at bargain basement prices did not meet that requirement.
      It is eighteen months to the NSW State election so O’Farrell has to husband his resources.
      People have been voting with feet leaving NSW as witnessed by the reduction of NSW’s representation in the Federal Parliament by two seats.
      Even Bruce Hawker will have trouble spinning this one.
      And to think that NSW Labor apparatchiks have been rewarded with Senate and Rep seats for stuffing up NSW.
      It is in the history of NSW Labor of doing favours for donations and decisions for sale, eg property developments, that makes it very easy to believe that Swan did special things for Grant.
      One has to wonder how Grocery Watch has been dumped.
      Has Woolworth’s and Coles, with their staff’s effectively compulsory membership of the Shoppies union under Joe DeBruin, been able to hold that as a bargaining chip in the effort to dump Grocery Watch?
      And the infrastructure blitz is rapidly shaping up to a huge rort of tax payers money.
      Mates and Labor favors.

    • Saskia says:

      06:37pm | 29/06/09

      Come off it.  One bad poll and the party that won the last 3 out of 4 elections is irrelevant??  The Libs will still come back to smash the Rudd Socialists next election.

    • Andrew says:

      06:46pm | 29/06/09

      I refer you all to the Bulletin cover story “19% - Why Does He Bother?”

      Mr 19% John Howard was later PM for 14 years.

    • steve says:

      06:59pm | 29/06/09

      I cannot believe some Liberal supports instead of calling for the head of the guy that has with his arrogance, incompetence and ignorance has managed to dig the Liberals deeper into the quagmire of deceit and dishonesty that helped remove them from office. I can see why today’s polls, all three, had the Liberals losing ground leaving them with figures reserved for irrelevant opposition. I think many within the Liberal Party will be quietly working to remove what has become a noose around their neck, the Turnbull Choker. Every day Turnbull stays their ensures the Liberals never regain government.. Not such a bad thing considering their extremely poor form.

    • Lucy says:

      07:16pm | 29/06/09

      The Liberals don’t need to ‘reinvent’ themselves. It is worth remembering that at the last election they still got 47.30% of the 2-party preferred vote. This is not a terrible effort. They need to make sure they don’t alienate their core supporters and then work on a range of policy options that attract the middle ground (or swinging voters) - while also convincing their core supporters that anything slightly “courageous” is necessary to win that middle ground.

      Any massive lurching to the left or right would be fatal for the Coalition.

      Finding a leader that doesn’t alienate the base should be the first priority, then build them up to win the swinging vote.

      It’s pretty much campaigning 101.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      07:19pm | 29/06/09

      Turnbull’s position as Leader of the Opposition might be safe in the words of Tony Abbott, but the Liberal Party will not be safe from the withdrawal of my vote if they continue with Malcolm Turnbull at the helm come election time and without any competing policy on health and transport infrastructure, health staffing levels, education and the upgrading of the nation’s first highway, the Princes Highway - just for starters.  So, how about it?  Compete with Labor for better alternate policy initiatives and leave out the “dirt and smear” campaigns.  Leave the spooks’ work to the spooks they are better at it.

    • sean armistead says:

      09:44pm | 29/06/09

      I heard the same thing about the Labour party after Latham debacle, well gues what…....

    • Cat says:

      10:10pm | 29/06/09

      Everyone seems to be negative about Turnbull’s money, he wasn’t born into it - he made it himself, working in fruit markets and other menial jobs like so many of us…Isn’t that the sort of person who should run a country? Not a bureaucrat like Rudd - how many of us have had trouble dealing with the bureaucratic rubbish in Centrelink or the ‘Child Support’ Agency or within our State governments re land tax and more? How can we not expect Australia to become a quagmire of debt and greater political underhandedness…(they’ve learnt well from the unions!)? Work choices were a big scare for the unions- their members might actually have to work!

    • Peter says:

      10:16pm | 29/06/09

      As a recent arrival from Canada I have two comments on this:
      1 - This ‘gotcha’ politicing always backfires.  The exact same sort of nonsense happens in the “Great White North”.
      2 - A country needs a strong party on both sides of the spectrum, unless you actually like parliamentary psuedo-dictatorships.  No-one wants either a nanny state, or a ‘fix the street in front of your own house’ state.
      So - don’t blow it again, libs, unless you want to be the opposition for a nanny state with the mandate for all sorts of silliness.

    • Logical says:

      11:34pm | 29/06/09

      Afraid I don’t agree with the line pumped out herein.  Not fussed by the by the “die liberals” comments either since there are plenty of organised Party bloggers out there (Beattie had 150 journos on his staff for just such occasions).  I still ask why the PM needed a Ute at all?  And why did n’t he either give it back, or pay for it.  Also, there are quite a few other other emails apart from the “one” which Rudd managed to get the L team to focus on, that don’t seem to matcg what the treasurer said - so how about it Wayne?  There are free kicks being given where they are undeserved, and the Ute gate winners seem to be throwing themselves down on the ground over questions which they haven’t answered, like fall-down when touched Italian soccer players in the World Cup.  Really, where is the money going?

    • Neil says:

      08:12am | 30/06/09

      David, when Swan was asked the question on a TV interview,  what other car dealerships he had a personal phone conversation with… his answer was “your not asking the right question”  LOL…he refused to answer that question. Also in question time he was again asked this question…we are still waiting for that answer. He’s not hiding something??? What a joke. Anyway where is Swan lately?

    • Darren says:

      09:00am | 30/06/09

      The NSW Libs are an absolute disgrace - at a time when voters are actually looking for am alternate they are making themselves unelectable again

    • Alice says:

      11:18am | 01/07/09

      I saw that interview too, he looked very uncomfortable when asked that question. If he answered there were others he spoke to personally on the phone then there’s no reson to think it is suspicious. The fact he won’t answer it makes it quite obvious Grant was the only one. And if Grant was the only one then YES he did give preferential treatment to Grant.(by whose orders? I wonder) and lied to parliment about it. Which makes Turnbull correct.  In Swans words ” I never gave any preferential treatment to John Grant Motors”

    • alan says:

      08:04am | 02/07/09

      Cat, I asked you once before - how many unionists do YOU know?  Union bashing is a ploy used by the conservatives to build a ‘them and us’ mentality, so idiots will vote for them.  Most of the unionists I know actually do a full days work -DO YOU?

    • Notinthemoodforfools says:

      10:00am | 02/07/09

      At a Federal level i would agree. Labor is morphing into the Liberals. The one main factor that Labor can’t change is the socialist control of state by taking on crippling debt.

    • AL says:

      10:22am | 02/07/09

      The Liberal Party has never been more relevant to Australians as it is at this time.  With Labor claiming to have moved towards the centre as well as its futile claims of being Fiscal Conservatives the have in reality just continued behaving like the Leftist, large government, unionised thugs they have always been.

      If you want to know why it is so important that this country turns back towards the coalition, then just read Jamie Briggs article in The Punch today. Liberals are, and always have been, the party for opportunity and enterprise and as soon as Generation Y work this out, Labor will be out on their ears!

    • PaulC says:

      11:03am | 02/07/09

      Well when you consider the past two days Hockey criticises own Government policy and concedes to Swan over how he interprets data and Tony Abbots comments this morning about smoking in cars around children has no detrimental effect on them, what can you seriously think about there own credibility any more. Self interested point scoring at there own parties expense, no wonder Costello has pulled the plug he doesn’t want to be responsible for cleaning this mess up..

      Foot in Mouth seems to be the pandemic, not swine flu especially within the Libs

 

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