Whether the recent federal Liberal party showdown over the now rejected Emissions Trading Scheme develops into a thoroughgoing schism only time will tell. Malcolm Turnbull’s robust description of new federal leader Tony Abbot’s climate change thinking is a crude reminder to those Liberals celebrating the weekend’s by-election results in Bradfield and Higgins: environmental politics is here to stay and cannot be swept under the carpet by short-term circuit-breakers.

Liberal attacks on so-called Whitlamite Labor are almost as old as Gough himself.

As I argued in The Australian during August, the current schism between so-called ‘moderates’, small ‘l’ liberals gathered around Turnbull and Joe Hockey, and the conservatives of Abbot and Nick Minchin’s ilk has many of the hallmarks of the 1950s ALP split over communism which spawned the Democratic Labor Party and kept Labor from office for some two decades.

Most accounts of the farcical goings on in the federal Liberal’s party room over the past few weeks have highlighted this underlying ideological conflict. The conservative coup d’état against Turnbull resulted from a fundamental policy divide over climate change dovetailing with opposition to Turnbull’s divisive crash or crash through personality.

The Abbott-led Liberals are likely to learn the hard way that a party which values ideology over centrist, pragmatic politics is doomed to repeated failure. As with the now extinct hard Left elements centred in the Victorian branch of the Labor Party during the 1960s and 70s (think Bill Hartley), right-wing Liberals seem intent on condemning their party to perpetual opposition in the name of ideological purity.

But Abbott’s wrong-headed strategy of shifting his party to the right reflects a deeper malaise in Liberal thought. As Abbott’s first press conference as leader revealed the Liberals still believe they are confronting the 1970s ALP headed up by Gough Whitlam, if not an earlier incarnation.

Abbott’s grand plan to lead the Liberals back into government at the first opportunity and thus overturn 80 years of received electoral wisdom will rest upon a scare campaign to portray Kevin Rudd as a Whitlamite fiscal anarchist whose climate change ‘tax’ will destroy the Australian economy. Courtesy of yesterday’s frontbench reshuffle, old schoolers Kevin Andrews, Philip Ruddock and Bronwyn Bishop will lend a helping hand.

Likewise, Abbott intends to oppose Rudd’s replacement of Work Choices by defending the Howard government’s former policy as having gone only “a little too far”. Abbott contends that Rudd has rolled back the Paul Keating initiated workplace reforms of the past two decades to the 1970s status quo.

Clearly the ALP should not underestimate Abbott and hubris is an ever present worry. Though fighting under the wrong strategic banner Abbott is a much wilier political tactician than Turnbull. And overly personal attacks labelling Abbott an out of touch conservative relic or sneering derision of his staunch Catholicism will only prove counterproductive.

However Abbott’s electoral strategy is doomed for two reasons. Firstly, Whitlam hasn’t led the ALP for over three decades. Much of the electorate wasn’t born when he was PM. For better or worse, they couldn’t give a fig about a long-forgotten Labor hero who governed an Australia totally foreign to their high-tech world of twitter and youtube.

Rather, they want to hear about issues which matter to them in the 21st century. Climate change is front and centre. As The Australian’s George Megalogenis insists, Generation Y voters, especially young women and most notably mothers, are exactly the sort of electors the Coalition needs to woo to win back office.

Given this assumption, a shift to the right, whereby climate change action is downplayed and policies such as Work Choices are retrieved from the dustbin of political history is sheer electoral folly. (In any case, Rudd’s workplace regime is the antithesis of the highly centralised wages system of the ‘70s; enterprise bargaining is its watchword).

Second, Abbott’s appraisal of the Whitlamite legacy of big government is erroneous. Whilst Bob Hawke and Paul Keating get the credit for modernising the ALP, embracing market-driven public policy, and driving the top-down reform of the Australian economy, it was Whitlam who began the process by cutting tariffs across the board by 25% and abolishing the tariff board in 1973.

More importantly, Whitlam took on the hardline elements in his party, opening up the ALP to non-working class members, reversing paleo-Laborite policies and reforming the party’s moribund decision-making structures. In short he liberalised and modernised the party.

The electoral harvest reaped by the ALP since Whitlam is stunning. After 1972 federal Labor has held office roughly half the time, a ratio that will undoubtedly improve under Rudd and Gillard, and which compares favourably with the previous 70 years when the working-class dominated, socialist aiming party governed for just 17.

Since the early 1970s, the ALP also rules the roost in the states. By the next state elections due over the next two years NSW Labor, despite its current dysfunction, will have governed 80% of the time; the South Australians for some 70%; the formally unelectable Victorians well over half; the Queenslanders will achieve likewise in ostensibly conservative heartland; and WA and Tasmanian Labor have each occupied the treasury benches for a majority of this period.

In short, despite the long federal reign of John Howard and the notable Victorian Liberal administration of Jeff Kennett during the 1990s, by virtue of claiming the pragmatic, middle ground the ALP has arguably become the natural party of government in the states and perhaps federally too.

Claims that the modern ALP dominates electorallly because it is the master of spin simply won’t wash. This claim implies that the electorate is stupid and repeats the lazy analysis of the so-called Howard haters of the Left during the previous government. As much it might irk them the current Libs can learn from Gough. It’s time: modernise or perish.

- Nick Dyrenfurth is a Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the University of Sydney and co-editor of Confusion: the Making of the Australian Two-Party System (Melbourne University Publishing).

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    • John A Neve says:

      05:25am | 09/12/09

      Nick,

      I agree totally, Labor no longer exists and the Liberals are anything but “small business”.  Our major politiclal parties have become busineses in their own right, they are major employers. No longer are they about ideals, rather, they are about non productive jobs.

    • persephone says:

      06:03am | 09/12/09

      Good article, but I wonder if Petro was aware that there was an election in Kooyong on the weekend - noone else was.

    • paul says:

      07:03am | 09/12/09

      Great read. I hope the parties split and create new leaders and alternatives. Abbott wanting to return to the good ol days of Howard is a pig-headed marketing disaster and will no doubt repulse many swing voters.

    • David says:

      07:22am | 09/12/09

      What a marvellous article . You must have a degree with first class honours in BULLSHIT .
      Go away and get a real job .

    • watty says:

      07:27am | 09/12/09

      Of course the Rudd Government is a “no spin zone” and the public aren’t fools.

      Perhaps that is why Rudd is rushing to reimburse polluters business and “working families” AFTER his ETS went down the gurgle.

      Rudd ignores the claims that his proposed ETS is no more than an additional tax at his peril as more of the public are taking an interest in the veracity of claims that so called Global Warming presents the ‘biggest moral decision of the century”

      For a Party that has forgotten the Whitlam factional days I suggest someone contacts Nathan Rees on this one..

    • Old Clive says:

      07:32am | 09/12/09

      Bull shit

    • hoofman says:

      07:44am | 09/12/09

      Not even 9 o’clock yet and already two Liberal supporters, David and Old Clive, have responded with ‘bullshit’ - Tony Abbott is obviously already rallying the supporters with his favourite war cry. Maybe the climate change deniers among the Libs can have a rally with ‘bullshit’ placards. Perhaps choose a particularly hot day for the rally. That’ll work.

    • james moore says:

      07:56am | 09/12/09

      david what do you do for a job? would you like to make an argument about the current political situation? dyrenfurth was a tutor at my uni for several years while also managing to fulfil research requirements for masters, doctorate etc. i would call that a real job. you on the other hand are a mere anonymous coward.

    • Paul says:

      07:58am | 09/12/09

      This claim implies that the electorate is stupid and repeats the lazy analysis of the so-called Howard haters of the Left during the previous government.

      They are.  Especially if they only end up reading garbage like this.  What do they say Garbage in, garbage out

    • With eyes wide open... says:

      08:02am | 09/12/09

      If todays interview with Mike Kelly on AM Agenda is anything to go by on how Labor will run their scare campaign against the coalition then they have got it all wrong. Kelly looked like a arrogant buffoon with a smug “we know it all” look on his face. That will turn the punters off very quick. Keep up the good work there Mike!

    • sissy says:

      08:41am | 09/12/09

      Its a liberal thing to air there dirty laundry in public what a pack of dills they are..like living in the Howard days all over again…..Thank goodness our PM is moving forward and leaving these dills behind

    • David says:

      08:50am | 09/12/09

      James , after reading your comment , I rest my case .
      If you want to know what I do for a living , I am a retired research Bullshit investigator .

    • H of SA says:

      08:54am | 09/12/09

      Gotta love that old Liberal party line..if the public doesn’t vote for us they must be stupid. I wonder if they ever ponder how electable calling the electorate stupid makes them?

    • Jeff Bain says:

      09:02am | 09/12/09

      “the electorate is Stupid” ... of course they are ... at least the minority who vote conservative are. One only has to do an analysis of comments made on this site to see that approx 90%of all the inane, ridiculous and nonsensical comments posted here are from liberal party fanboys.
      But what can you expect from those whose prefer to abrogate their ability to think and form opinions and hand over that right to the geniuses of talk-back radio and the likes of Mr Bolt.
      And to even seriously contemplate that Abbott could win an election in 2010 by bringing back from the political wasteland people and policy rejected in 2007 ! ... Hello; I’m an IDIOT and I vote conservative…

    • John A Neve says:

      09:18am | 09/12/09

      No matter what the topic, we return to the armies of Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum engageing in their endless war. Only the champions of polliespeak can ever win.

      Sadly our democracy is buried in that dark brown sticky stuff and Bullshit has triumphed once again.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      09:23am | 09/12/09

      Nick, the issue was that there was no opposition in this country the moment MT sided with the governments amended ETS legislation. At that very moment people asked themselves WT? I know I did.
      The fact that the opposition was siding with the governments ETS as the only answer / solution was crazy politics and pushing it thru before Copenhagen was even sillier. You call it ideological I call it stupidity. Seems to me that Abbott had the guts to step up to the plate and take on the hard elements of his party.

      Abbott’s shadow “Climate Action” portfolio is smart politics. It acknowledges that the issue for the majority of voters is important to them even though many of them wouldn’t have a clue what the ETS is all about. Some might have a rough idea at best. So whilst you may suggest that the average punter is not stupid, it is – as far as this issue is concerned, not far off the mark. No offence is intended here but the legislation is complex.

      As for a “Labour party that doesn’t exists”? Call it what you will – but if I use NSW as an example, it’s been in recession for ages and the state is a basket case and in disarray. Bob Carr’s spin certainly worked a treat and we will pay the price for years to come.
      Sure Gough did some good things but he also emptied the coffers pretty much like the current administration. If they continue they will become a one term party without the intervention of the GG – a piece of history you can’t change.

      The hip pocket and the health of the Australian bank account will be the difference between the two political parties.

    • Jane says:

      09:33am | 09/12/09

      Hey H of SA, you may wanna check out Jeff Bain below you….calling minority Conservative voters ‘stupid’...kinda kicks that ‘stupid’ theory of yours to the shiesenhousen.

      The leftist ‘Labor’ Party of old exists alright…it’s just that it puts on a false facade to appeal to voters under ALP handbook guideline 101.. ‘Whatever it takes’. The True Deceivers.

    • Not an Abbott fan says:

      09:36am | 09/12/09

      Funny how Lib voters like to claim no one has an education, or such a highly valued jobs (oops, positions) but them, when we all know different from their responses to anything and anyone not kneeling in adoration of their clay legged Liberal idols. I suggest they look up the meaning of the word liberal, and why that word was chosen to represent the party, which is no longer any such thing. Of course, in their eyes, too, if you do not agree with the way the Libs are using their position in parliament, then you must be a hater, or a Labor voter. Thank God for swing voters.

    • COF says:

      09:41am | 09/12/09

      It is a shame that the fanboys ruin what could almost be a civilised conversation on one of the two major parties moving away from the centre, which has happened to the major parties over history many times. It is dangerous policy which is likely to keep them in opposition for a long time. It is a basic political rule that the party closest to the centre i.e. the most pragmatic party wins government. If the centre changes, the party needs to change with it.

      In essence, you wouldn’t vote for either party in its current state if you voted purely on ideology. The insistence of the current Labor Party on social engineering programs and progress for progress’ sake is infuriatingly disrespectful of the public and not necessarily in the best interests of the nation. On the other hand the Liberal party and the current conservative movement in general seems to always favour policy that protects the powerful from the powerless - its almost the political equivalent of cowardice.

      Its a shame the two party system doesn’t allow more room for original thought. At the moment the party that thinks more homogeneously stays in power - it should be the reverse.

    • Smirking Conservative says:

      09:42am | 09/12/09

      Just lovin this idea conservative voters are idiots.
      Yep just look at those conservative seats, clearly full of idiots, funny how they are usually more expensive neighbourhoods with lower crime rates.
      Go drive round safe Labor seats, then go drive round safe Liberal seats and come back and tell us who the idiots are.

    • H of SA says:

      09:43am | 09/12/09

      @ Jeff Bain. Yeah its surpirsing how many people don’t realise that “appealing to the parties base” = appeasing people who were going to vote for you anyway…..whilst alienating the swinging voters.

      Add to that, as the author points out - spending soundbite time attacking Rudd for policies that existed 30 years before he became prime minister isn’t exactly frutiful wokr

    • H of SA says:

      09:49am | 09/12/09

      Jane, I would guess the difference is an elected member telling the MAJORITY public they got it wrong as oppossed to a random person on a blog telling the minority they are stupid? I don’t think the Labor party is going to bleed voted because of what Jeff Bain says as he isn’t running for parliament…..bringing back the frontbench team Australia booted out at the last election and telling us that they are the right people to govern however…..

      Appealling to the base and becoming unelectable. The euphemis is Ideology over Realpolitik. Or a dysphemism is Ideology over what Australians want.

      Not a great recipie for success in a democracy.

    • Patrick says:

      09:53am | 09/12/09

      I like this. No refutation of any of the points made in the article, oh no, the Conservative supporters simply cry “bullshit” and leave it at that.

      But please, continue with your winning strategy, and we’ll see how well it plays out at the Federal election.

    • Jeremy C Browne says:

      09:55am | 09/12/09

      Now even Tim Flannery admits that the warming of the previous 25 years has halted and “there hasn’t been a continuation of that warming trend … (climate scientists) work with models, computer modelling, when the computer modelling and the real world data disagrees you have a problem …” Why will not Kevin Rudd admit the same thing?

      Now Abbott tells Macquarie radio, “Notwithstanding the dramatic increases in man-made CO2 emissions over the last decade, the world’s warming has stopped.”

      Wong’s response – “He is out there publicly talking about the world cooling when we have so many world leaders … going to Copenhagen because they are concerned about climate change.” In other words, she will not actually challenge what Abbott said! Surely if he was wrong she would have said so emphatically.

      Can’t wait for Rudd to comment as well.

      Also, how are Rudd and Wong going to distance themselves from the fraud-ridden IPCC when they play an integral part of the Copenhagen limo/lear jet festival?

    • Lotti says:

      10:11am | 09/12/09

      John is right, I get the sense with all this Labor versus Liberal squabbling that these clowns go on with, is from grown men who still haven’t left their Student Council Left-Right warring and political baggage from Uni behind and fighting over who will have the power over the student council and the Presidents chair. While being to immature to understand that you are pushing many of us to independants/ greens /minors /whoever just because you are more interested in getting into the other side than wowing the rest of us with good ideas and policy and CREDIBILITY. Use your god given Catholic brains for the benefit of the nation. Please.

    • Brian says:

      10:21am | 09/12/09

      What a load of crap - learn from Gough’s dismissed government - lol!

      The ETS tax and “climate change” tide has now turned in public perception and opinion and Rudd will get cooked.

      Copenhagen - A whole bunch of dictatorship led countries rocked up to get a handout to help them overcome the impacts of global warming - all paid for by ETS type taxes on hard working citizens around the globe.

      Time to put an end to this nonsense and expose it for the fraud and scam it is.

      The arrogance of it all too - a mob of politicians and bureaucrats are going to come up with a way to keep the temperature of the earth within a 2 degree range - like its some sort of economic indicator (and they can’t even control them!!!) when core samples show that the temperature of the earth has fluctuated since time began.

      Its getting beyond a joke and into the farce category.

      Rudd is embarrassing Australians as the face of our country at this scam meeting.

    • Old Clive says:

      10:39am | 09/12/09

      Well said Hoofman ! I would believe that you must be one of the true believers, you must be able to know what bullshit really is because you have been existing on it ever since you started to support Labor, I voted Labor for years until the Commy Gough got in and Rudd is one of his protegees. This present Government is full pf bullshit and they have not even come up with an original policy since they have been in power, and they didn’t have any when they were in opposition, if they did have any then perhaps Little Johnny would not have had the REINS, reigns for 10 years.
      To Quote an old navy parody on an americam march. Bullshit is all the band can play.

    • Steve says:

      10:45am | 09/12/09

      Nick, Please tell me you still believe the climate change aganda, it is climate gate, are you not aware of history in respect to the climate.

      We are not ehading to a ice age or heat wave, the IPCC have doctored figures and adjusted data to get results they want.
      They have said we are going through a warm decade, one of warmest in last 150 years, well so we should, 150 years ago, scientists define this end of last ice age, so the planet is again warming a natural event, what the scientits failed to advise that during the (MWP) Mediveal warm period, the planet was wamer then it was today, this never gets a mention as it puts a end to all there data, there was no carbon emisisons, just earth warming naturally, during (MWP) Greenland was more greenish and colonised, the island nations still exisited, Glaciers and contcating slightly and agin this is due to coming out of ice age, they will increase it time. CO2 is good for the planet, it allows more crops to be grown larger and faster, dose not effect global warmering either, with so much money at stake, that why you never get the full information, govt’s have too much too lose.

    • JamesP says:

      10:49am | 09/12/09

      Your analysis would be somewhat more impressive if you were able to correctly identify the seats which had by-elections on the weekend.

    • Tombo says:

      10:57am | 09/12/09

      Old Clive - better to not say anything and have people think you may be a fool, rather than open your mouth and thus remove all doubt.

    • Alfred Deakin says:

      11:19am | 09/12/09

      The Liberal party of today is a disgrace.

    • Matt J says:

      12:03pm | 09/12/09

      So Nick, the change within the liberal party to oppose Labor policy instead of mirroring it is wrong-headed?  I don’t think so.  It’s not the Libs who are out of touch with the electorate, it’s people like you.  The Liberal party won’t win the next election, but they’ll do far better than they would have done under Turnbull.

    • Manik says:

      12:08pm | 09/12/09

      George Megalogenis has written an article today about the By-elections where he quotes and there is a picture of a 22-year-old girl who voted Labor at the last election but voted Liberal this time becuase of the ETS back flip.

      Canberra journalists and politicians are generally out of touch but nowhere near as out of touch as Academics. I am embarrassed for you.

      Malcolm Mackerras made similar outlandish statements before the weekend’s by-elections and has not been seen since. The possibility is very real that Rudd will be a one-term Prime Minister. We are talking about six seats. Seats that did not vote Liberal last time but by their very nature will vote Liberal this time.

      The ALP has a problem with Tony Abbott as its Leader. it didn’t have a problem with Malcolm Turnbull as its Leader. You want to talk about dysfunction talk about the ALP in NSW. A left Leader, Nathan Rees, just got smashed by the Right faction. The ALP has a born to rule attitude.

    • Jeff Bain says:

      12:22pm | 09/12/09

      @ Smirking Conservative. The fact that you try to equate personal wealth with intelligence only enhances my point. My ‘conservative voters’ = IDIOTS theory comes from not only wading through the comments posted at The Punch but also through personal experience. I try to explain Climate Change or the ETS to them and all I get is .. “Bullshit ... green/left conspiracy ... BIG NEW TAX ... Bullshit ... new world order ... tax dollars going to those “DARKIES” in Africa ... more Bullshit .... but Barnaby/Alan/Andrew SAYS ... Climategate ... rabid rabid rabid ... ad nauseum.

    • Jason says:

      12:32pm | 09/12/09

      Really no expectation of the libs getting into power next year - but that’s not their job right now, it’s to question Ruddco and demand accountability and clear English explanations of policy decisions for the Australian people.  They are doing that so watch this space.

    • H of SA says:

      12:45pm | 09/12/09

      Mannik, you honestly think we are looking at a one-term dederal government? When was the last time Australia voted out a federal government after 1 term?

    • Razor says:

      01:06pm | 09/12/09

      The middle ground climate change cheer leading was working so well for Malcolm, wasn’t it?

    • Manik says:

      01:23pm | 09/12/09

      H of SA—Gough Whitlam was the last Prime Minister voted out after one-term. He got sacked. Led the party in the 1975 election called as a result of the sacking and lost. He then backed it up in 1977 and got beaten again.

      The real chances of Rudd being a one-term Prime Minister favour Rudd.

      But I can think of at least two seats currently held by the ALP - one in Qld and one in NSW that will return to the Liberals regardless of who or what Labor does.

    • Ozpuck says:

      01:38pm | 09/12/09

      @Manik, the last one term Government Australia had was the Scullin Government from 1929 to 1932.  Gough Whitlam had called and won a double dissolution election in 1974, so it had actually faced the people, despite only being in power for less than three years before being dismissed by the Governor-General.

    • Glen says:

      01:39pm | 09/12/09

      This is cr*p.  So flawed that I can’t be bothered rebuffing every one of the unrealistic and biased points.  So highly qualified, I expect much more clear unbiased and critical thinking.

    • GeeJay says:

      01:40pm | 09/12/09

      Manik—-Whitlam won two elections ..Therefore his was not a one term Government !!!

    • Still Smirking says:

      01:43pm | 09/12/09

      @Jeff bain. Nothing personal just pointing out the obvious facts. You clearly belive conservative voters are “IDIOTS” so following that logic the voters in heartland areas like Mount Druitt must be misunderstood geniuses and Mosman voters are IDIOTS.
      As I said lovin the idea…

    • Manik says:

      01:58pm | 09/12/09

      @Ozpuck. Correct. The point I was making, with historical flexibility I admit,  was that the people lost confidence in him in a short period of time.

      Whitlam avoids the stigma of the one-term government in the technical sense but he can’t avoid the fact that a nation so outraged by his sacking chose not to reinstate him and give him a mandate at the ballot box.

      In a short time Whitlam spent money in massive proportions. Rudd and his government has done the same. This coupled with the ETS exposes them at the ballot box.

    • Randal says:

      02:13pm | 09/12/09

      The reality is that modern Australia likes to elect Labor governments when they have had enough of sensible and fiscally responsible government, the ALP then repay this by spending the nations money and putting us all in hock, once they have bankrupted the nation, put millions out of work, caused inflation and interests rate rises through the roof the public then elect the Libs to fix the problems.

      This cycle has been going on since Whitlam and is continuing under the Dudd government, the only plus side for the Libs is this is the first Labor government since Whitlam to do it so quickly. What’s the debt now $45B an rising, interet rates heading up, inflation heading up, unemployment heading up… and if you think this is bad just wait for the impact of an ETS, it will make the GFC’s affect on this country seem like a picnic.

      Three years and out was the legacy of the Whitlamites and lets hope that the Ruddites get no longer in power. They have done so much damage to country in two years I would hate to think what they could do in 10!

    • H of SA says:

      03:22pm | 09/12/09

      @Smirking Conservative 03:14

      Surely the Liberals and the Nationals are now the “Rebel Alliance” and Labor represents “The Empire” smile It’s rich ground for humour…

      We have Malcom Turnbull “If you strike me down now I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!”

      John Howard would be Yoda - the retired wise master passing on wisdom to the next generation

      Barnaby Joyce is Han Solo - the charismatic and unpredictable rebel who eventually is brough into the inner sanctum (Shadow Cabinet) of the Alliance and takes up a key leadership role.

      Rudd would obviously have to be emporer Palpatine. Because:

      a) He is spending vast amounts of government money on infrastructure which the rebels say will bring doom to the galaxy (Stimulus = Death Star)

      b) The rebellion would probably like to see him thrown into a large nuclear reactor of his own making…..

    • Mik says:

      04:29pm | 09/12/09

      Climate isn’t what is going to destroy this country, it is the labor government.

    • Andrew says:

      04:33pm | 09/12/09

      Randal:  sorry to correct you but the KRudd debt is $115.71 billion and rising fast.

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      05:10pm | 09/12/09

      I’m getting good at this. Instead of reading the Punch articles these days, I just click on the writer’s link and take a look at their background. Once I know which end of the political spectrum they are from, I can usually anticipate the gist of the piece. In this case, I expected an attack on Abbott and the Libs, dressed-up as journalism.

      And guess what? grin

    • Allan says:

      05:10pm | 09/12/09

      While I am rereading ‘Battlelines’ it is clear that Nick Dyrenfurth should do the same.
      What Tony Abbott has said this week has been said before in his book and his book sets out the philosophical underpinning as to why he is saying it.
      He spends a lot of time discussing the difference between a liberal and a conservative (” Whats Right” chapter page61….....) and there is no reason for a conservative to be embarrassed to be known as such.
      It is clear that Abbott has spent a lot of time thinking about his values and how to best apply them to find the policies that solve the problems that Australians have.
      He quotes the ‘statement of conservatism’ on the Centreright website
      - no insignificant person has ever been born
      -economic liberalism needs social conservatism and vice versa
      -govt. should be as small as possible but as large as necessary
      -decision -making powers should be as close as possible to those effected by those decisions
      -private choices have public consequences
      etc etc (page 65)
      He asks if any of the above would be objectionable to an Australian liberal (lower case ’ L’ deliberate).
      Abbott’s ‘Battlelines’ as a statement of his beliefs is far better than Kevin Rudd’s essays over the past couple of years.
      I think his ‘Battleplan’ to take on Kevin Rudd is well and truly developed.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      05:14pm | 09/12/09

      @H of SA says:04:22pm | 09/12/09

      Very good I’ll pay that.

    • D'oh says:

      12:21am | 10/12/09

      [face palm]

      Most of it has been said already, although the hardcore left worshippers failed to detect the Abbott-esque “bullshit” humour wink  Why so serious??

      @ H of SA: “Gotta love that old Liberal party line..if the public doesn’t vote for us they must be stupid. I wonder if they ever ponder how electable calling the electorate stupid makes them?”

      No, the electorate gets what they voted for (and thus what they deserve).  As the world discovered last year though, massive debt cannot be sustained and will have consequences, just ask anyone who has maxed their credit card and missed a payment or two.  Your Star Wars analogy is gold though, alhtough you are missing several characters:

      Julia Gillard as Darth Vader (just deepen her voice and I think you would have it just about right) betrays her master and throws Kevin Rudd into his own reactor.  Unfortunately her act of defiance kills her own career and destroys the galactic empire (Labor) and restores the Senate and the Jedi (Liberal).

      Tony Abbott is Luke Skywalker, the accidental hero/leader who discovers at the end that he and Princess Leia (Julia Bishop) are actually in the same family (Abbott - Bishop).  Not too sure who would play Chewbacca, my initial thought would be Anthony Albanese or Martin Ferguson (I never know what the *$%& they are saying) but they are on the wrong team.

      I could go on but it would be real sad.  Would like to place Peter Garrett somewhere, but he is a real $&#% up and I can’t place him.

    • jeff Bain says:

      12:27am | 10/12/09

      @H of SA says:04:22pm | 09/12/09 - Best comment yet!
      @Smirking Conservative says:03:14pm | 09/12/09 - So research proves that conservatives are happier ... umm that would be because they can afford the best cocaine money can buy, are constantly in denial and have no conscience
      Randal says:03:13pm | 09/12/09 - Just what parallel universe are you from Randal. Before the GFC the projected surplus was over 20billion. Its fact that we here in Australia came thru the GFC better than almost every other comparative economy. Without Govt spending to prop up the failure of market capitalism we would be in a massive recession with massive unemployment massive debt and in init for a very long time! That doesnt seem to concern you but then I see that your glorious leader has let it slip that he is a devotee of “Magic Pudding” economics already. Besides every politician on the conservative side who knows the slightest about economics [granted their seem at present to be few] realises but wont admit that they would have had to do similar to the Rudd Govt to ward off recession. Interest rates going up - from record emergency lows ... massive unemployment - yep 5.8% compared to that of the US and Europe where theyre pushing 10% ... debt bankrupting the nation - Australian projected peak debt as % of GDP 13%; US 80%, Britian 70% etc. etc.  Geez ... even with Rudd bringing this country to it knees the rest of the developed world would appear to become a desolate apocalyptic wasteland. Never let facts stand in the way of a good rant hey Randal. Oh and as for Howard’s ability to to lead us out of the economic wilderness? well its never been tested. 11years of plenty ...

    • Carl Palmer says:

      09:35am | 10/12/09

      On ideology – on one hand we have the PM’s Neo Liberalism speech and on the other, he has and continues to insanely push for an ETS that will utilise the use of derivatives in a free market economy – the same instrument that played a big roll in GFC. Refreshing to see a few political commentators picked up on this “ideology” – yep go figure.

      Maybe MT might have had a very small conflict of interest. I’ve never seen him so passionate about pushing this legislation. Maybe his mates in the fin world were going to get a big slice of the ETS derivatives action. As I’ve previously stated, MT should follow in the footsteps of Cheryl Kernot.

      As for “pragmatic politics” on this issue, I think Mr Abbott well and truly displayed that quality.

    • Randal says:

      09:57am | 10/12/09

      It’s called the real world Jeff Bain and obviously you fail to understand even the most basic of tenants of macro economics. The principle is simple, if a government pushes mountains of cash into the economy then it will overheat, a lesson that your beloved ALP should have heeded from the “recession we had to have” in the late 80’s and a point made by the Reserve Bank Governor Glenn Stevens following the 3rd consecutive interest rate rise, the first time this has occurred in our history, where he urged the Rudd government to curb future stimulus spending for fear of the economy overheating and its dreaded affect the inflationary pressures will have on our economy.

      In fact many economists would insist that the governments stimulus plan, many factors of which are yet to hit the economy as they were based on infrastructure projects, did very little to protect this nation from recession.

      The only portion of the package that was influential in any way was the fortunate starting point of an enormous budget surplus and a stable economy (thanks to the Howard government) and the $900 per person bribe, in which 40% went into gambling and the majority of the balance went into the purchase of overseas manufactured goods, generally both areas not great at warding of recession, so unfortunately your “Rudd saved us from the GFC” philosophy does not stack under any economic assessment.

      I will help you with a very big clue as to what did cushion this nation from economic collapse, and the clue is that it’s a really big nation with an enormous population in Asia beginning with C… sorry that might have been a bit tough for you, it’s a country called China, whose thirst for our natural resources did not dwindle as expected and as a result, we kept getting all those lovely $$$ from them which was most fortunate. The other factor is that our banks, thanks to some very tight regulation, where well capitalised, further cushioning our economy, as unlike other nations, businesses access to cash remained relatively unaffected allowing moderate growth.

      Now based on your obvious economic wisdom perhaps you can outline exactly where you believe that the Rudd governments reckless spending actually assisted in Australia in getting through the GFC… that would be interesting reading, as we all like a good piece of fiction.

      As for Howard leading us out of economic wilderness, well let me see, the elimination of the enormous national debt (net debt reduced from 18% of GDP (1995) to - 3.8% (2007) erasing Keating’s failed borrow to grow economic theory, taking Australia from a government of debt to a government that actually banked and saved money, very fortunate as this was of great assistance in seeing Australia through the collapse of the Tiger economies (1997).

      The 11 years of plenty as you refer is a myth, Howard inherited and economic mess ($96B deficit) and through tight fiscal and investment strategies created a nation that has never seen such wealth, and Rudd has blown it all in 2 years because he and Swann panicked and did what all Labor governments do when they see a problem, they throw money at it.

      Unfortunately for this nation, as consequence, we will paying this debt back for generations as we head towards a $300B deficit, the real question is what further damage will they do and will the people wake and realise the disaster that is heading their way before it is too late.

    • Jeff Bain says:

      11:57am | 10/12/09

      @ Randal says:10:57am | 10/12/09
      As usual all smoke, bubbles, quoting out of context, rubbery figures, hyperbole and lies. Do U actually believe this stuff or do U just recite from memory what you’ve read from Andrew Bolts Blog?
      1/ You are quoting the Reserve Bank Governor out of context and you know it.
      2/ 3rd consecutive interest rate rise - this is on a run of 3months in a row. Lets be honest hear. This is form emergency lows due to the GFC. The present rates were always to be temporary. It is not a real world reflection so lets be honest here ... How many rises in a row was Howard responsible for before his loss in 2007 overheating the economy and throwing money at middle-class welfare.
      3/The stimulus was created in such a way as to get money into the economy quickly so that we would not end up like much of the comparable economies i previously mentioned. Immediate handouts followed by 2ndry stimulus followed by intermediate stimulus [schools housing etc] followed by long term infrastructure projects [neglected by Howard]
      4/ Granted China had a part to play but we have Keating to thank for that as left up to Howard our Major trading party would still be Great Britian!
      5/ Comparing the collapse of the Tiger economies (1997) to the GFC is farcical. Anyway Howard had 11 years of plenty to pay off debt. He had the commodities boom plus the GST to raise record levels of cash. Govt saves in the boom times to use it to prop up the economy in recession. Its a no-brainer. Dont expect us to applaud what any 5th grader could figure out.
      6/ debt as a % of GDP is manageable
      7/ the opposition has never laid out an alternative program to dealing with the GFC other than to say “we would spend less”. Again they have no history for dealing with such and obviously no idea.
      Sorry to keep it brief Randal but ive got to get back to work ... to pay off that 300billion debt .....

    • H of SA says:

      12:36pm | 10/12/09

      @D’oh. Actually I agree with your sentiments there…each nation gets the leader it deserves, I guess my point is more about the fact that telling the electorate they got it wrong isn’t successful. Most voters tired of hearing they got it wrong with John H and it didn’t win Labor many votes the constant attacks.

      Ha! I like your Julia Gillard as Vader, can you image her at Tony A (Skywalker) at the death seen:

      Tony: I can save you Julia

      Julia: You already have Tony…you already have.

      Add one more analogy, the Greens as the E-woks, distrustful of the rebels at first but willing to work with them to bring down the empire…and joyously enjoying a more simple forest based lifestyle

    • Randal says:

      01:04pm | 10/12/09

      I get my stats from the ABS,  the Tresaury and my knowledge from a university degree in economics Jeff, what is your background?

      Suggest that you when you finish working to pay off Rudd’s debt that you might want to spend some of the stimulus on a book or two on economics so that at least when your attempting to form an economic opinion it actually comes from some sense of reason.

      Based on your response I would strongly suggest that you could write any knowledge on macro economics you have on the back of a postage stamp with ample room to spare.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      01:08pm | 10/12/09

      Back to the article.

      I think you are making a mistake assuming Abbott is attacking a Labor party that does not exist. Abbott is re-inforcing a stereotype that exists in the mind of the public as being unable to be trusted with money. This is of course being ablely assisted by K. Rudd, W.Swan et al. Stereotypes are quite easy to work with.

      I think you should work more on the possible danger for Labor in dragging out Workchoices, Childern Overboard etc as this is re-running the last election. This is not quite so easy, people have moved on. Witness the GST second time around. It also presupposes the election was lost on policy issues, which is debatable.  The public were generally happy with the Libs, but bored. As Abbott says, “the Electorate was over us”.

      On conservative idiots, the name callers should remember that there is no relationship between intelligence and gullibility.

    • LJ says:

      02:24pm | 10/12/09

      What a load of rubbish mumbo jumbo double talking rot! You know what you guys in media forget… the average Aussie doesn’t give a toss about 30 year old policy or historical policitical banter! Just goes to show how far out of touch you are! this country is hurting financially and you will see as will labour that people are going to turn their back on climate change and related policies and especially any related taxes! we cant afford it any more mate!! No one wants global warming but our countries GDP is no where near enough to make even a dent in the so called devastation that has been prophesized. Its all more of the same and we dont have the money to pay to fix the world. We got bills to pay, this is real life every day budgeting and just like in the family budget we have prioritise the nations budget… so if it comes down to school fees and groceries or saving a planet that may not even need the type of saving we’re proposing…then im sorry, the planet has to come second. Thats just a harsh reality of real life in the average Australian Family! Stuff taxes! this country is full of them and the end result is, families are broke and so is the government! great bloody work!!!

    • Jeff Bain says:

      04:00pm | 10/12/09

      @Randal says:02:04pm | 10/12/09 - I’m terribly sorry Randal I didn’t know that you had a “degree” and that it automatically makes you infallible. My bad. Maybe your “Degree” is out of date and needs to be updated. There appear to be many Economists who disagree with you and many of them work in treasury. I reserve my opinion to disagree with your view as it is tainted with your political persuasions.
      @LJ says:
      03:24pm | 10/12/09 - Im saddened to know that people like you do exist but heartened to know that in a PERFECT WORLD people like you wouldnt exist! That type of attitude is what we on the left are trying to overcome and that those on the right are trying to harness and exploit.  I have 5 children so I am motivated by their future ... you just go on consuming and polluting and watching mindless daytime television .... BTW you really dont know just how good things are here in AUS do you?

    • Carl Palmer says:

      04:50pm | 10/12/09

      @ LJ says:03:24pm | 10/12/09

      Thanks for your input - interesting comments and observation you make

    • Beamesy says:

      02:25am | 11/12/09

      I would just like to read an article where a Labor supporter makes a credible argument for their case. To reiterate; their case in respect to this article is the assertion that the Liberal party is fighting a govt. which does not exist. A lot of people seem to be using positions such as ’ no government cannot retain popularity from the extreme Left or Right’. This may or may not be true but it is an irrelevant point regardless. Events in political history are merely a guide. To date we have witnessed a government which has performed very well in the polls despite its failure to deliver on key promises of the last election- things like balancing the books, protecting our borders, delivering Indigenous housing, improving the failing Health system, actively deal with climate change, to name a few. Before your heads explode about Labor not dealing actively with climate change just ask yourselves what ever happened to the climate change measures Peter Garrett was talking about 2 years ago? And, perhaps more importantly (probably not) where is Peter Garrett? My argument is this: the truth of the matter is the Liberals are not fighting Whitlam. But they are fighting a Govt which has in just 2 years racked up nearly $200 billion in debt. That is irrefutable.

    • Jeff Bain says:

      09:25am | 11/12/09

      Beamesy says: 03:25am | 11/12/09 - “a government which has performed very well in the polls despite its failure to deliver on key promises” - there was this little thing called the GFC the govt had to negotiate. Avoiding the recession kind of became the Govt’s key objective ..... and guess what they succeeded!!! No matter what kind of spin you put on the RUDD LABOUR GOVERNMENT was one of the few govts of developed nations to avoid recession ... Historical FACT ... and as for $200Billion Debt, well recession proofing comes at a cost unless that is you believe in “magic pudding”  economics [great line Kev]. Debt as % of GDP is manageable ... there is a program to reign it in. After all Howard did it and he was no economic genius he just rode the boom. This govt deserves the benefit of the doubt as they have so far been creditable economic managers.

    • WATCH IT BUSTER says:

      03:02pm | 12/12/09

      GREETINGS JEFF -
      AS YOU SAY -[As for “pragmatic politics” on this issue, I think Mr Abbott well and truly displayed that quality. ]
      JUST WATCH IT BUSTER.  Mr. Abbott would be the perfect match for K. Rudd.  I believe he may just be able to do the “ducking and the weaving”, to be his political opponent of Australia.  Ha!Ha!

 

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