Sometimes it is difficult to work out what is going on inside people’s brains. Tony Abbott has copped plenty of deserved flak over his ludicrous defence of the Liberal Party’s decision to solicit donations not for flood victims but so that the party can run a campaign against the government’s flood tax.

Dig deep for Tony. Photo: Mark Graham

If his judgment has been found wanting, more questionable is the judgment of anyone who would dip into their hard-earned for a political party, when there are much important things to spend money on, such as children’s books or beer.

Abbott had the easiest of outs on this issue, and messed it up completely. He could and should have said that the Liberal Party had issued the appeal for donations under its own steam and that he had spoken to the people involved and ordered them, as leader, to set aside any money raised to be handed directly and entirely to the Queensland Flood Appeal.

The fact that Abbott chose to defend this low-rent can-rattling exposes the clubby, crooked culture which exists across the political divide when it comes to political donations.

There are some who would draw a distinction between large donations made to political parties by powerful corporations, and donations made by private individuals seeking to fly their particular ideological flag with the party of their choice. Whatever the case it is money that could and should be spent on more important things, or not spent at all.

The figures released this week by the Australian Electoral Commission around politician donations in the 2009-2010 financial year show that the entire system is still completely out of hand. It would be much better for our democracy if all donations were ruled illegal, both from corporations and individuals, save for charging annual membership fees from private citizens who are politically active.

Politicians might complain that this would damage our democracy, and limit their ability to stay in touch with their constituents and run informative local campaigns. This presupposes that the stuff they jam into our letterboxes at election time is informative, rather than high-gloss attempt to see how many times they can get their mugshot into a 16-page newsletter.

To the extent that any of this material is necessary, it would make much more sense to shift to a national and state-based funding system where public money is used to underwrite a sensible level of campaign spending by MPs. At the national level political parties would be forced to fund their own campaign advertising themselves, rather than relying on donations from the big end of town and cashed-up individuals.

The public might initially jack up about the cost of funding federal and state elections, but most people would be reasonable enough to see that it’s the only effective way to stamp out improper influence. It would also involve less money than is currently being generated through donations.

We’ve just been through staggering floods and a massive cyclone and the political debate is now framed around questions of revenue. There’s widespread concern as to whether we will have enough money to pay for the clean-up and repairs, whether a flood levy is the way to go, or whether as the Coalition is arguing, we should make savings elsewhere.

With this debate as a backdrop, it’s galling to reflect on the amount of cash that was blown on donations last year by groups of self-interested people who want a word in the ear of the minister of their choice. As the Government was wasting our money on taxpayer-funded advertising to defend the Resources Super Profit Tax, the mining industry responding by kicking in more than $21 million of its own cash, and handed hundreds of thousands directly to the Liberals to help their cause. Mining magnate Clive Palmer donated $1m nationally to the Coalition.

It’s hard to imagine what the total bill would have been in this arms race of spending if a truce hadn’t been called after Julia Gillard seized the leadership and scrapped the tax.

There are other examples which give the lie to the claim by political parties that donations help keep our democracy robust. They often pervert it, as no business, driven as it rightly is by the bottom line, is going to throw money away out of the goodness of its heart. Businesses only donate because they want influence.

One example is the NSW branch of the Australian Hotels Association, which donated $130,396 to the Labor Party last year. If you’ve ever marvelled at how so many pubs in Sydney have been transformed into soulless pokie barns over the past decade, donations such as that give you the answer.

Equally, if you take a walk along the waterfront in parts of Sydney, and marvel at the explosion in high-density apartment housing which often precludes the public from accessing the water, what you’re seeing there is the result of years of donations by property developers to a party which has known which side its bread is buttered on.

Paul Keating called for a ban on donations by property developers in 2006 on the basis of the aesthetic carnage being wrought in the Harbour City. He is not the only person to have questioned the donations system, but it still seems that we are stuck in a pattern where the questions keep coming and nothing of major substance is done about it.

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    • Eric says:

      05:08am | 06/02/11

      Each party wants to ban donations to the other party. Labor wants to ban corporate donations to the Coalition, and the Coalition would like to see an end to union donations to the ALP.

      The only balanced alternatives are either to allow any donation by anyone, or to allow none at all. In the age of the Internet, it no longer costs a great deal to get a message out to the public. There does seem to be a case for reducing campaign funding on this basis.

      One problem could be how to eliminate the advantages of incumbency. Governments of all stripes have used taxpayers’ money to finance election ads in the guise of public service announcements. Any sincere effort to eliminate political donations must eliminate this practice, as well as other back-channel methods of promotion.

    • Ryan says:

      09:18am | 06/02/11

      Except Eric, the union donations usually come in the form of a donation of our taxes from the government to the Unions and a few days later a similar slightly smaller donation made to the Labor party. If you wanted to know where your taxes go, take a close look.

    • WayneT says:

      09:51am | 06/02/11

      The donations come out of the Labor Governments so called grant to the unions for ‘Education and Training’.

    • Ryan says:

      03:19pm | 06/02/11

      @WayneT: yes just one of the many methods the Labor government uses the Unions to launder our hard earned tax money into their party coffers. Wait until we get a carbon tax, I can’t wait to see what elaborate schemes there will be then.

    • Warren says:

      09:57am | 07/02/11

      @Ryan: Just the same as the Liberal Government who gave money to the bosses unions (ACCI, MBA, etc) to provide “education campaigns” about - and I am not taking liberties here - how to reduce wages and conditions under the WorkChoices legislation.

    • Ryan says:

      08:17pm | 07/02/11

      @Warren: ok I am interested, please post some info to which you refer.

    • Andrew says:

      06:00am | 06/02/11

      Anything to say about Gillards backflip on yet another policy? Health Reform? No of course not, more about Abbott.

    • shane says:

      07:55am | 06/02/11

      Theres also nothing about the cost of eggs in iran. Its a story about political donations. I suspect you’d complain about any story that criticized Abbott.

    • dave says:

      08:49am | 06/02/11

      Backflip? When there are naysayers blocking initiatives, alternatives need to be sought.  I recall one particular Liberal western state opposing the Heath Reform plan.

      Oh and facts being what they are, Health reform has not been abandoned, the funding mechanism is being revised (funds directly to hospitals instead of via state governments).  That is if you are interested in facts?

    • Belinda says:

      09:16am | 06/02/11

      Hey dave - paint the picture as pretty as you like. Wasn’t the whole idea of reform in the beginning about funding directly to hospitals instead of via state governments? So Gillard and team got it wrong once again and now have to make changes.

    • Dissident says:

      05:23pm | 06/02/11

      Dave, that particular Western State that opposed the health reform did so for exactly the right reason.

      The so called health reforms were nothing but a naked tax grab by a greedy and incompetent Federal Government who has no interest in bettering the lives of Western Australians. They just want our cash.

      Gillard wants our GST (she already keeps 32 cents of every dollar of GST anyway) so she proposes a health takeover. She wants the rest.

      Rudd / Gillard wants our mining royalties - which we are absolutely entitled to Constitutionally - so she proposes a mining tax. The details include an illegal and unconstitutional freeze on State royalties.

      And don’t expect that any revenue raising power will return to the States - once the Commonwealth has its claws in our pockets it will never let go. Case in point - personal income tax was taken from the States during the Second World War - as a wartime measure of course - to help the war effort. We still haven’t got that tax back. Is the war still going?

      This inept Federal Government is trying to milk the cash cow States for everything they have because there are more Lower House seats in NSW and Victoria.

      It is difficult to say whether the continued flow of funds Eastwards is a punishment for the repeated electoral @ss-kickings that WA gives Federal Labor. That would be petty and spiteful but I wouldn’t put it beyond this Eastern States centric government.

    • decko says:

      05:40pm | 06/02/11

      Shane - interested to hear what the issue is with the cost of eggs in Iran, have they gone up recently?

    • Billy says:

      10:13am | 07/02/11

      @Shane, does not say much for your intelligence if you cannot distinguish between the importance of the Health COAG backflip and the price of eggs in iran.

      It says everything about our media that they chose to avoid writing about the backflip on Health. One can bet that they would all be writing furiously if the libs had backflipped like this.

    • n_dude says:

      03:22pm | 07/02/11

      @dissident
      Stop the twaddle about WA’s GST funding other states. i remember before the mining boom it was the other way around with the sout eastern states subsidising the non collection of GST in the other states and the state premiers complaining. I remember visitng Perth some years back and marvelling at how they could provide free public transport to the CBD on shiny new buses when the public transport in NSW was already crumbling and overpriced. That was the eastern states funding that helped create that.

    • Dissident says:

      04:19pm | 07/02/11

      N_Dude - WA powerbrokers didn’t want to join the Commonwealth in the first place but were concerned that all the Eastern States miners on the Goldfields would seperate into a new State as part of the Commonwealth. Naturally that would have shattered any kind of possibility of economic independence. The original Constitution doesn’t have WA mentioned in the beginning because there was legitimate concern that we wouldn’t join.

      Then in 1933 we voted to secede in a referendum (quite overwhelmingly so) but the motion petered out for various reasons.

      The idea of a separate WA is not a Johnny-come-lately idea now that we are getting a raw deal. WA has wanted independence from the beginning. It isn’t ‘twaddle’ as you so eloquently put it.

      South Sudan got the chance to vote for independence recently - when will WA get its chance?

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:56am | 08/02/11

      WAh WAh WAh WAh…fair dinkum, you lot are almost as bad as Victorians.

    • Super D says:

      06:33am | 06/02/11

      I think that those who are “disgusted” by Tony Abbott’s actions regarding anti flood levy donations are the same people who are regularly disgusted by Tony Abbott.

      I think it’s worth noting that Green front group GetUp! was soliciting donations to fight the cuts to ineffective carbon abatement schemes yet there was no similar outrage. 

      I would argue the only difference there isn’t a coterie of journalists sitting around waiting fo br outraged by GetUp!

    • Jane says:

      09:16am | 06/02/11

      The problem with Abbott’s solicitng for fund to fight the flood tax, is that the email that went out asking for donations was sent on the very night that Queensland was about to experience the worst cyclone in our living history. Timing is everything.

    • WayneT says:

      09:56am | 06/02/11

      So when would have been the best time for you,  the next morning after the Cyclone?  Or better yet after the actual introduction of the Levy (Tax).

    • Joan says:

      11:13am | 06/02/11

      Cassidy .... `Insiders` this morning - interview of Abbott ..... Cassidy doing a Kerrie O`brien as he turned apoplectic puce as he questioned Abbott on levy and request for political donations. Cassidy repeated himself ad nauseum turning a deeper puce as he could not get the answer that he thought was the answer, frustrated puce was the tone of the interview as he could not break Abbott who looked cool collected . Meanwhile ealier Gillard turned up on Meet the Press looking hungover as if she had just come from a Gothic rage party doing a Morticia trying to spook early morning TV audience ...  While Abbott asks for donations,( nothing wrong with that…. no gun at your head…. unlike the levy)  Paul Howes the guy who gave GIllard the tick before she knifed Rudd gives Labor multimillions without asking individual members I bet!

    • persephone says:

      12:15pm | 06/02/11

      Joan

      yes, Cassidy was getting frustrated because Abbott wouldn’t answer the questions.

      I’ve linked to the text on another thread, but here it is again:

      http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2011/s3131092.htm

      Abbott apparently thinks it’s very easy to find cuts to government expenditure, except he then thinks it’s very hard, and he’s not going to tell anyone what cuts can be made anyway.

      Honestly, Joan, only someone has blinkered as yourself would think that that was a good interview.

    • shane says:

      01:32pm | 06/02/11

      @joan. Interesting interpretation. Another may be that Barry wiped the floor with an increasingly frustrated Abbott. Who refused to answer a question with anything remotely resembling the topic at hand.

      It was one of the worst interviews I’ve seen him do in a long while, and given his petulant refusal to even acknowledge Barry at the end of his ass whipping, I’m pretty sure he felt the same way.

    • Ben81 says:

      02:40pm | 06/02/11

      pers - “and he’s not going to tell anyone what cuts can be made anyway.”

      Tony Abbott -
      “But as I said, we will have more to say about this in the days ahead. And we will have a package of savings and deferrals that will mean that Australia could do what is necessary with these floods without yet another new tax. “

      As i’ve said in the other thread, he sure as hell has mentioned many things that can be cut many times.  That’s kind of what he’s been making all that noise about recently.  The government pressed ahead with the levy and didn’t even attempt to cut or defer anything, so he’s doing their job for them and working on something to put to them. 

      You continually saying he can’t find anywhere that money can be saved doesn’t make it so.

    • Aasq says:

      03:36pm | 06/02/11

      Indeed, Joan, persephone and shane. What a train wreck of an interview it was, even by Abbott’s usual standards.

      “BARRIE CASSIDY: Okay I just want to go back to that email. Did you read it? Did you read it before it went out? It went out under your signature.

      TONY ABBOTT: Look I read the text of a letter. But the information that was then added is up to the Liberal Party.

      BARRIE CASSIDY: So you, but it was a P.S. under your signature. So it was the whole thing was your letter. It just does seem to be a bit sloppy. Is that, would you allow that in government? Would you allow a letter to go out under your name without reading it?

      TONY ABBOTT: (Laughs) Barrie, look, people will make up their own minds about this.”

      Yes, Tony, we will. So, having handballed responsibility for the email to Liberal Party Federal Director Brian Loughnane, wouldn’t you have loved to have been a fly on the wall when Loughnane next had dinner with his wife Peta Credlin, who just happens to be Abbott’s Chief of Staff.

    • Mitch says:

      03:45pm | 06/02/11

      Super D - I wasn’t aware that GetUp! were elected representatives in parliament as well as being the alternative government and were two people away from being in government, not to mention trying to block every major bill in said parliament.  Thanks for enlightening me.

    • Joan says:

      04:43pm | 06/02/11

      Persephone,.... take another look it was Cassidy all shook up and puce ....can’t get away from that…. Cassidy turned puce and sheets of paper a shaking…..Cassidy spluttering raising voice doing a perfect Kerrie O`brien…. get the real picture - take your blinkers off.

    • Joan says:

      05:17pm | 06/02/11

      The only person getting his jocks in a twist was Cassidy. Abbott too smart for Cassidy as Abbott kept his cards to his chest, all savings to be revealed at future date as he said. Some people here have a problem with comprenhension.  As for email ..... Yawn….  Australian Labor Blog features Gillard-  National Press Address which also features a request for donations to Labor cause…. The pot shouldn’t call the kettle black. The only train wreck was Cassidy and those trying to make something of nothing… all hot air. The only person that got wiped out was Cassidy who took ages to regain composure post interview. And Abbott is 100% right ` people will make their own minds about this`  As for Shane` s observation ` Barry at the end of his ass whipping` - kinky very kinky indeed .... definately not on `Insiders` don’t know what Barry does in his spare time or what you were watching Shane .....obviously it was one those sites that Gillard is going to black out when she applies censorship to the net.

    • Ta very much says:

      05:18pm | 06/02/11

      “Green front group GetUp!”

      Uh huh. Very nicely loaded up there.

      Could just as well describe The Punch as a Far Right Liberal front. If you wanted to use carefully loaded swipes.

      Get a bloody grip. If you’ve actually got some worthwhile views, have a crack at putting ‘em up without the sly load-ups. Ta very much.

    • Ben81 says:

      05:21pm | 06/02/11

      Aasq - Are you upset that he’s not lying or something?  What else can he possibly say about it?  What a ridiculous thing to get so worked up about, big bloody deal.  He wrote the text and the party, instead of just emailing out plain text, format it into their standard letter style which includes logos and graphics, a line under it about donations with a HTML link to their donation page, and a copy of the politician’s signature just like every single one of those emails that go out, and just like most parties as far as I’m aware. 

      Yes imagine being a fly on the wall at dinner time, with them talking about how some people will desperately clutch at any petty little thing and make a mountain out of it when it comes to Tony Abbott.  You can’t win against the hateful cynics so why even bother?

    • Richard says:

      05:40pm | 06/02/11

      Are you guys serious? It was a superb interview by Abbott, who handled Cassidy’s purposely implied insults deftly and maturely. There is no scandal here in this situation, and all the leading questions in the world won’t be able to manufacture one when everyday Australians are totally unperturbed by it in any way.

    • Aasq says:

      06:57pm | 06/02/11

      So what was Penbo referring to when he wrote, “Tony Abbott has copped plenty of deserved flak over his ludicrous defence of the Liberal Party’s decision to solicit donations”, Richard ?

    • iansand says:

      06:35am | 06/02/11

      A few years ago I was in Canada for an election campaign.  They have restrictions on funding although I am not aware of the detail.

      It was bliss.  If you stayed away from news and current affairs shows you would not have known that an election was on.  And because political discourse was conducted in fora other than 30 second TV ad slots there was real discourse instead of sloganeering.

    • MarK says:

      09:14am | 06/02/11

      Sounds awful.

      No wonder no one likes Canadians.

    • iansand says:

      06:08pm | 06/02/11

      I always suspected that MarK had the attention span of a goldfish.  Obviously, anything longer than 30 seconds short circuits his synapse.

    • persephone says:

      08:31pm | 06/02/11

      iansand

      don’t be insult goldfish.

    • MarK says:

      11:14pm | 06/02/11

      Hang on….are you having a shot at me…....oh look a puppy….and a birdy…..whats the cricket score

    • persephone says:

      08:50am | 07/02/11

      Oh, sorry.

      He DOES have the attention span of a goldfish.

      My bad.

    • James1 says:

      09:17am | 07/02/11

      I want to hear more about the puppy.

    • Canuck says:

      09:19am | 07/02/11

      “No wonder no one likes Canadians.”

      Except for Australian women, who can’t seem to get enough of us!

    • Someone says:

      10:22am | 07/02/11

      “...no one likes Canadians.”

      My name is not “no one”.

    • Matthew says:

      06:51am | 06/02/11

      Wow, another Abbott article, and this time it is about political donations, with th evil Abbott getting ThePunch photo-op.

      But funny, can’t find one refernce to the largest of donators, that word union at all ....

      They run their own EXPENSIVE POLITICAL advertising, check.
      They were actively involved in replacing a PM, check.
      They donate to the tune of millions to the political parties, check, oh sorry, I see it, they don’t donate to the Libs, so it’s the big bad miners that must get the boot into them.

      Another fine Punch ‘article’.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:56am | 06/02/11

      And big Business are the liberal party’s largest donators,So Mathew…your point is?

    • jf says:

      08:16am | 06/02/11

      As a shareholder I get frustrated that the companies that I invest in make donations that I don’t agree with. If my frustration is great enough, I’ll sell my shares in that company.

      I am always surprised that union members are happy that their fees are used to fund the ALP rather than to pay for representing their rights.

    • Big Tobacco says:

      08:59am | 06/02/11

      jf
      Are you really that naive that you can’t see that the Labor party looks after union members rights? Ever hear of a thing called work choices which stood to take away workers rights and entitlements? It’s sitting in Abbott’s back pocket somewhat squashed.

    • Jane says:

      09:21am | 06/02/11

      And what about the $22 million spent by mining companies attacking the Labor Party and the resources tax? What they spent far out weighed what the unions spent in their campaign.

      And I wonder if their shareholders were consulted beforehand. I suspect not.

    • jf says:

      10:43am | 06/02/11

      Big Tobacco says:08:59am | 06/02/11

      “Are you really that naive that you can’t see that the Labor party looks after union members rights? Ever hear of a thing called work choices which stood to take away workers rights and entitlements?”

      I do and can’t help but feeling that if the unions were doing their job properly, then even the most unfair labour legislation in the world wouldn’t matter as the unions would hold the employers to account.

      I also recall all of the unintended consequences of ALP policy for workers. The most recent being the home insulation scheme. This ill-conceived, shoddily implemented scheme caused deaths while the unions sat idly by. Union fees are to fund the representation of worker’s rights. 

      Are you that naive that you can’t see that unions, which should form an extremely important part of the industrial relations system. have simply become training grounds for ambitious politicians.

      Jane says:09:21am | 06/02/11

      Do you honestly think that it is unreasonable for an industry to campaign against a policy/tax/measure that is going to severly disadvantage it. And giving that the campaign was to ensure ongoing profitability, and therefore returns to the shareholders, I’m confident that they were very happy with the outcome.

    • jf says:

      10:48am | 06/02/11

      Christian Real says:07:56am | 06/02/11

      “And big Business are the liberal party’s largest donators,So Mathew…your point is? “

      And big business is the Labor Party’s second largest donator with some businesses donating more to the left side of politics and some more to the conservative but all in all a very similar amount going to the left as is going to the right.

      Big business would, of course, be the ALPs biggest donor if it weren’t for the unions stealing member fees and donating to the ALP.

    • DocBud says:

      10:48am | 06/02/11

      The point being, Jane, that David gave the mining companies a mention in his article but couldn’t find room to mention union funding.

    • Mayday says:

      10:54am | 06/02/11

      Jane the shareholders wouldn’t need to have been consulted because they wanted the advertisements.

      The share price for many of the medium to small mines dropped significantly after the announcement so the anti resource tax ads were welcome relief to some very concerned mum and dad shareholders.

    • jf says:

      11:40am | 06/02/11

      Big Tobacco says:08:59am | 06/02/11

      “Ever hear of a thing called work choices which stood to take away workers rights and entitlements?”

      Another thing BT, which worker’s rights and entitlements exactly did Workchoices take away? The unions and the ALP never did quit explain that. They just ran a big, albeit successful, scare campaign.

    • mags says:

      06:01pm | 06/02/11

      Interesting to note that similar pleas for funding are also present on the Prime Minister’s media releases to those who go the Labor Party website - see Andrew Bolt’s column today.

    • persephone says:

      07:18pm | 07/02/11

      Yes, because Bolta is just such a reliable source.

      The ALP page has a standard $ button on the top, which if you press takes you to donations.

      It doesn’t have a plea for funding. It doesn’t - under the leader’s signature - have a specific request to donate for a specific cause.

      It does (if we’re talking about the email) have specific requests to donate to the flood relief effort and details on how to do it.

      Obviously, given the level of defence this is attracting, Liberal supporters recognise that they’ve got a problem with this one.

      Oh, and even Joe Hockey admits it was a mistake.

      I note with interest that the leader hasn’t outlined how he is going to ensure that such mistakes don’t happen again.

    • Matthew says:

      06:53am | 06/02/11

      But yes I agree, let’s end all political donations, and all political advertising from non-political parties like the miners, climate change groups and the unions.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:52am | 06/02/11

      Mathew
      Lets just end Tony Abbott’s control of leadership of the Liberal party,at the moment his opposition party is like political deadwood,floating with the tide,going nowhere,with an ambitious, self seeking,self caring,ego driven Leader at the helm..

    • Ryan says:

      10:09am | 06/02/11

      @Christian Real:: I just love it when you and your other Labor pollies like The Badger and persephone carry on about Abbott, just shows he is doing a great job and is a real threat to you lot, running scared are we? Terrified of the Abbott are we? He certainly had an effect on making you lot run around like headless chooks and then stab your illustrious leader Rudd in the back. Keep it up, I love it.

    • ClaireP says:

      11:24am | 06/02/11

      Christian Real, you are becoming a lone voice in the wilderness. The government supporting media may think that they can control the thoughts of the electorate by hammering Abbott and glorifying the incompetent government but there are not many who are not awake up to their tactics. Looking to Tony Abbott for the answers shows how desperate Labor and the media are becoming - he is not being paid to govern.His job is to try to stop the lunacy!

    • persephone says:

      12:17pm | 06/02/11

      And - as I’ve said below - by Ryan’s criteria, Julia must be doing a great job.

    • Christian Real says:

      12:48pm | 06/02/11

      Claire P
      Tony Abbott is not being paid to oppose everything either,especially things that are in the National interest,like this proposed Flood levy, that will be used to rebuild damage and destroyed infastructure caused by the floods in Queensland.
      Tony Abbott only has to look at himself in the mirror and he will see that a good place to begin to stop the lunacy, is with himself and his liberal opposition party .

    • jf says:

      02:19pm | 06/02/11

      Christian Real says:12:48pm | 06/02/11

      “Tony Abbott is not being paid to oppose everything”

      In paraphrasing Clare’s comment that Abbot’s job was to “stop the lunacy” thus, you clearly believe that in order to “stop the lunacy” he must “oppose everything”.

      Is this a Road to Damscust moment we see before us CR?

    • DocBud says:

      02:25pm | 06/02/11

      Rebuilding is in the national interest, Christian, how it is funded is open to debate. Government borrowing and a delay to the budget returning to surplus is a perfectly legitimate alternative option as indicated by Reserve Bank board member Warwick McKibbin.

    • Ryan says:

      09:37pm | 06/02/11

      @persephone: fair enough I will cop that, I guess that my deep and terrible hate for blatant liars who stab their friends in the back might blur that but well played.

    • persephone says:

      08:53am | 07/02/11

      Ryan

      oh, so now you’re talking about Tony Abbott.

    • Ryan says:

      09:16am | 07/02/11

      @persephone: nope, only one blatant liar to the Australian people, “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”, and pretty much any time she opens her mouth it turns out to be a lie. Only one person who stabbed their mate in the back in their own putrid, vile, self serving manner, do try to attempt to compare what she did to Rudd to Malcolm Turnbull, I can’t wait.
      She better be watching her back since based on the latest polls she now has Labor more hated than Rudd did.

    • persephone says:

      10:24am | 07/02/11

      Ryan

      Tony Abbott TOLD us he was a liar, remember?

      Are you saying I shouldn’t believe him?

      And he rolled his leader because his leader was trying to meet an election commitment that his party had made during the 2007 election.

      And is Tony Abbott lying when he says climate change is crap? If not, why has he got a policy aimed at reducing emissions? Or aren’t we supposed to believe that he’d deliver that?

      In which case, you know that he knows that he doesn’t intend to keep his promises, so I guess that’s OK then.

      Or is being a weather vane somehow not the same as being a liar?

    • Ryan says:

      02:48pm | 07/02/11

      @persephone: wrong, he was forced to roll Turnbull by the electorate through “people power”, the people were not willing to stand by and let Turnbull get away with not listening to the people who elect him, Tony Abbott was the person who stepped up to the plate to support the people.
      As far as the Labor party is concerned, they never listen to the people and lets face it, Gillard stabbed Kev for her own personal ambitions, nothing more, nothing less.
      As for the liar part, “fly to mars”, “full forward for the Bulldogs”, “sail around the globe”, “no carbon tax under a government I lead”.. liar liar pants on fire every time she opens her mouth.
      Tony Abbott delivers on his promises, we have seen that already.
      Gillard and Labor just cannot be trusted under any circumstance.

    • persephone says:

      06:28pm | 07/02/11

      So why did those people vote for the Liberals in the first place, knowing that they supported a carbon trading scheme?

      And now you seem to be admitting that Abbott was lying when he told us he was a liar?

    • Joel B1 says:

      06:55am | 06/02/11

      Hello? Bob Brown?

      Abbotts the bastion of goodness compared to the blatant and utter gob-smacking hypocrite Brown.

      Bob’s happy to accept the largest personal donation ever $1.4M at the exact same time as propsoing to limit donations to $10,000 (from memory).

      Buck your game up son.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:30am | 06/02/11

      Joel B1
      “Abbotts the bastion of goodness”
      Really, what sort of whacky weed or planet are you on.

    • Joel B1 says:

      10:22am | 06/02/11

      Yet another odious personal attack…

      Really, the ALP (& Greens) have simply no idea how stupid this tactic is.

      Try responding to my suggestion that Bob Brown is the biggest single hypocrite in politics in Australia (ever).

    • persephone says:

      11:12am | 06/02/11

      Joel

      so when people here like MarK and TimB etc attack Julia, that means she’s going great guns?

      By that measure, she’s definitely outperforming Abbott.

    • persephone says:

      12:19pm | 06/02/11

      Oh dear. That was obviously meant to be directed at Ryan in the post above this.

      Apologies, Joel.

      Hoe into Bob Brown all you like.

      I’m still narky at him for his lack of real effort on climate change.

    • persephone says:

      07:02am | 06/02/11

      Penbo

      one of those noble ideas which simply can’t work in practice.

      How would you stop donations in kind, for example? If I donate a Ferrari to a party to raffle, for example, how do you prove I did this? I’m sure the party concerned would be able to come up with a nice imaginative little paper trail, showing that they paid me for it.

      How do you factor in donations of people’s time? If I’m a mining magnate, for example, and I’m not allowed to donate cash directly, can you stop me giving all my employees a ‘day off’ to campaign for the party of my choice?

      And how would you stop a person or company spending their money to run ads in favour of the party of their choice?

      I note that the system you propose,by funding MPs campaigns, favours sititing members, whose incumbency gives them a built in advantage at the moment anyway.

      Yes, our present system is flawed and open to corruption (almost any system is). But I can’t see why individuals can’t make the choice to donate money to a political party if they want to.

      I realise you’re being tongue in cheek, but not everyone thinks that ‘beer and children’s toys’ are ‘important things’.

      I would have thought that getting involved in the democratic process was. For people who might be too old, too busy or too frail to help out the party of their choice at election time (and I hope you’re not suggesting that could or should be banned), making a donation is often their way of showing support.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:23am | 06/02/11

      Tony Abbott should hang his head in shame for using these natural disasters in Queensland as a political football to score political points from.
      He has been exposed as the phoney that he really is, by seeking donations to fund his Anti Flood levy tax with, and now can be clearly seen as a self centred,self seeking opportunist, who only cares about his own ambitions and political goals.
      The Liberal Party has made a tragic blunder and a disastrous mistake in choosing Tony Abbott as their Leader,because he will lead them into oblivion

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:08am | 06/02/11

      Christian , Tony Abbott is absolutely correct in opposing a flood levy .
      As a Reserve Bank Board member observed , ” There is ample scope for the government to obtain the funds within current settings. “
      Davis Pemberthy’s article is simply an ill disguised attack on Tony Abbott and the Liberal party .

      Gillard’s intent is to achieve a budget surplus and if that means creating a new tax to preserve projected funds being directed to deficit reduction , she would tax the air we breathe.

      The Queensland Premier’s performance in milking the disasters for all it’s political worth in an effort to sleaze back into office , is where you need to concentrate for ” political point scoring . “

      What David Pemberthy has failed to mention , is that the L.N.P. organised a massive flood relief effort on a state wide scale which provided money , food , household items , clothing , bed linen and even furniture .  No recognition was sought by the party for the wonderful effort from thousands of members , but in the face of attacks on the Liberal party it is now pertinent to reveal the truth of the matter.

      The Liberal campaign against Gillard’s unnecessary tax is a separate matter and should be seen as such , but David Pemberthy is attempting to use the issue as a cudgel against Tony Abbott.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:57am | 06/02/11

      Wayne Fehlhaber
      I disagree with you even on your first sentence, but then I suppose if we all agreed with one another, life would become dull and boring.
      We do have one thing in common though Wayne, we both know the same State and Federal Members, and we both know all of the Councillors and Mayor of Fraser Coast Regional Council.

    • Wayne Thomas says:

      10:11am | 06/02/11

      Come on Wayne, you don’t expect the facts to get in the way of a good story or article, do you?  Realistically this is probably the best thing to happen to Queensland.  All the years of mismanagement and lack of spending on infrastructure and recommendations in the wake of previous disasters, by this and previous state governments, will now be wiped clean.  Queensland will get their entire infrastructure upgraded and paid for by the rest of the country under the cover of this disaster.  It’s just a shame the good people of Queensland had to suffer for this lack of management and foresight.  It shouldn’t take 5.6 Billion to get rail, road and bridges to a useable state, but it will buy you entirely new or upgraded infrastructure.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      12:20pm | 06/02/11

      Wayne Thomas :  Yes i agree and well put indeed Wayne .  The travesty of justice lies within the levy being applied to all Australians trapped in the government’s set income levels . 

      It is an unnecessary and unfair burden to place on Australians already buckling under local , state and federal taxes.
      The funds required to repair or replace infrastructure could easily be diverted from other non-priority policies and programs.
      But of course that would detract from Gillard’s goal of a budget surplus.

    • persephone says:

      03:11pm | 06/02/11

      Well, if it’s all so easy, Wayne F, why is Abbott having so much difficulty identifying the necessary cuts?

    • Steve Putnam says:

      04:57pm | 06/02/11

      @Wayne Fehlhaber Your claim Anna Bligh is ‘milking the disasters for all its political worth in an effort to sleaze back into office’ is over the top even for you. People of all political persuasions, as is evident from many comments posted on this website, have commended the premier’s leadership in this crisis. You however attribute her performance to sinister motives…Well, all I can say is all looks yellow to the jaundiced eye.
      You seem to be arguing that there is no need for a national effort to rebuild the billions of dollars of destroyed infrastructure in Queensland, all we need are a few locally organized sausage sizzles and prawn raffles.We could even get the LNP to run them. I concede you may have a point there; after all they are going to be in opposition for many years to come so why not put them to work doing something positive for a change?

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      07:23pm | 06/02/11

      @persephone

      I note a touch of a deflection there.

      I’m still not exactly sure why you think Abbot (in opositiion) has to find the tax cuts to compensate for the unpopular levy Gillard (in Government) decided upon.

      Shouldn’t you be wondering why Gillard introduced the levy in the first place and why it is unpopular with the average taxpayer (working families and so one) in the first place?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      07:48pm | 06/02/11

      Steve Putnam :  Talk about point scorers , Steve you are an expert .
      Yes , i read the comments on this site commending Bligh’s TV performance and i was one of those who acknowledged her ability to communicate Emergency Services data to Queenslanders.

      My current comment that Bligh was milking the disasters for all its political worth is a fact .  Even a rusted on Laborite could not miss what Bligh is attempting to do. Don’t be so naive Steve.

      I certainly was not arguing for no national funding to rebuild Queensland infrastructure. Queensland desperately needs the funding now. !
      Your comment is the very same garbage spewed at Tony Abbott when he blew the whistle on Gillard’s unnecessary levy .  ( point scoring )

      If a R.B.A. board member and several economists can identify areas for the funding to come from without a levy , then i remain dead set against a new tax on Australians.

      Use your common sense Steve , Gillard’s aim is to preserve Labor’s chances of returning to a budget surplus and that is precisely why she wants the levy.
      Incidently , i would not bank on Bligh winning another term .  The hatred for the Labor government in Queensland is almost a tangible thing.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      07:50pm | 06/02/11

      Persephone :  Refer to my reply to Steve Putnam.

    • persephone says:

      08:34pm | 06/02/11

      LJD

      then why did he volunteer to do so? and why does he answer all questions on the subject by saying he’s going to do it?

      If he said what you did, I wouldn’t have a problem.

    • persephone says:

      08:21am | 07/02/11

      LJD

      the reputable polls are starting to come out, and Newspoll shows 55% support for the levy.

      So I reject the premise of your question.

    • Andrew says:

      09:25am | 07/02/11

      Hey Pers Newspoll also shows the primary vote for Labor falling to 32%. Ouch! Thats gotta hurt. Abbott has also narrowed the gap re: preferred PM from 20 points to 13.

      These are worse than the numbers that got Kevvy knifed.

      So Pers who’s the next Labor leader and when will you start easing away from supporting Julia just add you did with Kevin.

      Exactly how many Mark Lathams can the Labor party create?

    • Christioan Real says:

      08:25pm | 07/02/11

      Wayne Fehlhaber
      What an interesting article that you had in today’s Fraser Coast Chronicle,pity it is as warped as your imagination.
      What is our newly elected State Member in Hervey Bay doing?, haven’t really heard or seen much of him since he got elected at the last State election.
      Premier Bligh did a marvellous job during and after both the flood and the cyclone disasters,but I guess that you are too short sighted, in your narrow minded, tunnel visioned liberal/National party ways,to acknowledge and give credit where it is due.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:34am | 06/02/11

      David Penberthy,
      Instead of getting rid of all political donations, lets just get rid of Tony Abbott, who is misusing these natural disasters in Queensland in a blatant attempt to grandstand and score Political Points from.
      Tony Abbott’s call for donations to fund his Anti Flood Levy Tax Campaign, is not in the National interest , and he is shown up as a self centred, self caring, political opportunist instead of being seen as an Leader and alternative Prime minister in the near future.

    • PaulB says:

      08:32am | 06/02/11

      How shall we dispose of the counter-revolutionary Christian?  Hanging?  Firing squad?  How can we have a glorious Socialist utopia when these brigands insist on confusing the glorious workers with their “opinions”.  We must protect the Gillardist revolution from these revisionist running-dogs like Abbott.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:12am | 06/02/11

      Pau B
      When Tony Abbott is getting paid out of the public purse then he should act more accordingly in the National interest instead of acting in his own self interest and self centred aim and goal to become Prime Minister at any costs.
      The fact that he has even called for donations to fund his Anti Flood Levy Tax,clearly shows his arrogance and contempt for the State of Queensland who has now endured and suffered through two natural disasters.
      The way that Tony Abbott opposes everything, just for the sake of opposing.,is not in the National interest of Australia, nor is it in the interest of the Australian people that he craves to one day represent as Prime Minister.
      Abbott’s, mindless, self centred and self concern for only himself and his political aims and ambitions clearly shows why he is an unfit choice to ever grace The Lodge as our Prime Minister.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:44am | 06/02/11

      Liberal bloggers will no doubt ridicule my comments, but I don’t really hate Tony Abbott.
      What I do dislike and hate is Tony Abbott’s over inflated ego,and (born to rule attitude) that makes him into the unelectable person(for becoming Prime Minister) that he is.

    • DocBud says:

      10:57am | 06/02/11

      So presumably, Christian, you similarly disliked and hated Kevin Rudd’s and Julia Gillard’s over inflated egos, and (born to rule attitude) that should have made them into unelectable persons (for becoming Prime Minister) that they are.

    • Eric says:

      01:05pm | 06/02/11

      Have you ever met Tony Abbott in person?  if so - for how long?  What was your impression of him face to face?  How come nearly 50% of the population voted for him then?  In my broad experience in negotiations and mediation when a person loses it the 1st question I ask is ‘what are they afraid of?”  So CR - what are you really afraid of?  Now be honest!

    • Aasq says:

      04:43pm | 06/02/11

      So you’re afraid of women, Eric ?

    • Angry God of Townsville says:

      08:23pm | 06/02/11

      With your arrogance on display in your daily postings, I find that the definition required for you to chide anyone else’s ego is hypocrit. You hate Abbott, just as you hated Howard, it is the inability in your own ego to understand that you have an irrational hate complex against successful conservative Australians. You then scrape the bottom of the barrel to try and find the most obscure false fact to support your position. You are constantly on the attack, you rarely address the content of the discussion and never admit it when you are wrong.

      Why am I not surprised you are a labor voter.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:09am | 07/02/11

      Angry God of Townsville.
      Me, Arrogant, not even I could be as arrogant as Tony Abbott, he has mastered it.
      I find it Un-Australian, that Tony Abbott should launch an email appeal for donations towards his Anti Flood Levy campaign, just as Cyclone Yasi was about to smash North Queensland.
      What was Abbott’s main priority at the time ?, was it for the people of North Queensland?, or was it for launching his email appeal for donations for his Anti Flood campaign?
      We all know the answer, and it seems that his Anti Flood Campaign appeal outweighed and was far more importantant to him than the North Queensland people.
      Tony Abbott always puts himself and his ambitions first,he will never change.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:28am | 07/02/11

      Angry God of Townsville
      If I am ever wrong about anything I haven’t a problem admitting it, but seeing as I am not wrong about Tony Abbott, I have nothing to admit.
      And as for saying I have an irrational hate complex against successful conservatives,you are wrong, I don’t dislike or hate Malcolm Turnbull .
      Angry God, the only false facts appear to be from you and your fellow Liberal bloggers.

    • Angry God of Townsville says:

      06:18pm | 07/02/11

      CR, You demand Abbott cease leading a party that you are not a member of, have an ideological bent against and have trashed repeatedly on this forum since it’s inception. This demand is clearly arrogant. As you are unable to see this within yourself, I can understand your anger when someone highlights it to you. Relevation is a harsh path in discovery at times.

      I am impacted by the ravages of Cyclone Yasi, in fact, I have just finished my job for the first day since it hit, with an average of 16 hours per day working on essential infrastructure. Due to the fortunate lack of damage to my house and loosing power for also only a short time, I will be required to pay a levy for the rebuilding of this state. I also donated to the flood relief. That this government stated before Cyclone Yasi, that they had made all the available cuts, have now come out and announced further savings, highlighted that this initial levy was not required. Given a small amount of time, I believe that further budget savings could be discovered. 

      The request to support current programs or the party of your choice is included in almost every political email I have ever seen. This is not a new or unique occurance. This was seized apon by the rather parochial HawkerBritton face of ABC to personalise a debate that should be based on the quality and content of the policies and financial management. The aparachiks of the ALP on this site have repeatedly stated that you elect a party and the party chooses their PM. In fact this defence was used when the cold blooded redhead knifed the former most popular PM for her personal power trip. The fact that you can convince enough people to support your position within your party does not mean that you are the best person for the job. The runs on the board by Gillard show that she is not the person to lead Australia.

      As we had a split vote, it is now the responsibility of the independants to change their votes to the will of their electorates. Provide the similar support that they promised to this wretched failure and give Abbott a chance. Granted, it will be harder after July for Abbott to pass legislation, but this will show his ability to convince a relatively hostile senate, that his way is better for Australia.

      Gillard and Rudd have done enough damage, even you must see this.

      As for MT, I take it you are for supporting the Coalitions Wireless version of the NBN. I shall watch your comments on this.

    • Adam Shaw says:

      07:47am | 06/02/11

      Corporations don’t elect politicians, people do (in an ideal world anyway). I have no issue at all with a ban on corporate entities donating to political parties. If an individual feels that his or her hard-earned is going to achieve some political end, I say ‘go for it’. The comment that “Businesses only donate because they want influence.” is so true. The bottom-line for most businesses is their main driving force, they wouldn’t be donating anything if there wasn’t some return on investment. If it means the end of the negative advertising campaigns that all political parties run, it will be a good result.

    • Daniel says:

      08:20am | 06/02/11

      Penbo, I thought you would be in favour of the donations schemes? Saying that though the only party that has exposed the hypocrasy of political donations is the Greens. They are the only party that doesnt acept any donations from the big end of town. The Major paties should adopt the same Greens measures and end this garbage.It will strengthen our Australian democracy.

    • persephone says:

      09:07am | 06/02/11

      Oh so a billionaire doesn’ t come from the big end of town?

      I think the Greens - by accepting a million plus donation from a private individual, and then quickly coming out with a policy document to show why that was OK, despite it going against every argument they’d made previously - have shown themselves to be just like any other party when it comes to grabbing the moolah.

      And Bob Brown wasn’t shy about asking people to send him lots of money personally when he ran up some debts due to his political activities.

    • nossy says:

      08:46am | 06/02/11

      But Penbo I had just written out my big cheque to Tones’s “Save the Liberal Party and Stuff the Flood Ravaged QLDers” fund when I read your column - and now I dont know what to do ?

    • Billy B says:

      09:19am | 06/02/11

      Nossy - Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit!

    • john says:

      11:33am | 06/02/11

      @Billy B what he was really trying to say is that he is happy to bribe them with a cheque and place his bets both ways in case the liberals win, so they can view him favorably for any kick backs from the government of the day, regardless who it might be.

    • Aasq says:

      05:50pm | 06/02/11

      No problem, nossy.

      Just pose for that photo, and Natalie will pay the levy for you !

    • The Badger says:

      08:49am | 06/02/11

      This news just in from somewhere close to the battle lines
      Abbott and the liberal party brand are suffering severe damage as a result of direct hits taken after they called in their own position as coordinates to take a barrage from liberal artillery.

      And in related news, sources are bewildered as to what caused Abbott to repeatedly discharge his weapon into his own foot several times over the last few weeks. They are equally astonished by his then placing the severed appendage into the orifice normally used for food consumption wondering to themselves what purpose this might serve their cause.

      Michelle Grattan summed it up nicely

      “In choosing to oppose the levy, Abbott has continued the stance that has served him well: if the government is for something - almost anything - he’s ‘‘agin it’‘.
      He has had particular success running against spectres of ‘‘great big new taxes’‘, so it is not surprising that it was easier to say ‘‘no’’ than ‘‘yes’’ to the flood levy. Never mind that this immediately raised the problem of inconsistency - what about all those Howard government levies he supported, or his own levy for his parental leave proposal? Abbott just blathered that away.”
      “With a lot of public opposition to the flood levy, Abbott had a vein to tap into. But the cyclone, coming on top of the floods, has undermined his efforts. The reconstruction cost will be higher - and Gillard has said the extra will come from further budget cuts (on top of those already in her package). To be disputing a modest levy in these circumstances seems to be looking for argument for the sake of it.
      And then there was the Liberals’ own goal - the Abbott email last week to supporters appealing for money to fight the levy. He fingered the Liberal Party for adding the line to his email, while trying to defend it by saying all parties appealed for funds. Well, not quite like this, Tony.”
      http://tinyurl.com/4tqsfnb

      - more to come

    • MarK says:

      09:17am | 06/02/11

      I am torn between getting another Newfoundland or getting a Springer or Cocker Spaniel.

      I am not sure which.

      Thoughts?

    • The Badger says:

      09:51am | 06/02/11

      Isn’t it funny how over ever so slightly over time, owners seem to change and start to look like their dogs?
      see this as an example
      http://tinyurl.com/2pyqva

      Newfoundlands are huge dogs and are often mistaken for bears when walked in forested areas in America. They also eat copious amounts of food as you would know already having one.
      My suggestion is that you get yourself a Weimaraner. I have one and they are loyal, intelligent and love to run and swim at the beach. I think you could do with some walks on the beach, it would be good for your well being to get away from the keyboard from time to time.

      PS who do you think the next liberal leader will be when Abbott gets the knife?

    • persephone says:

      11:09am | 06/02/11

      MarK

      another Newfoundland?

      You’ve got one and you’re even thinking of getting another?

      I had one and it was so thicketty thicketty thick that I’m still trying to get over how madly frustrating the hound was.

      Let alone the saliva production - a good Newfie can make enough saliva in an hour to fill all conceivable needs for the fluid for life.

      Newfies are cute to look at and they make good doorstops.

      Go for the springer. You’ll stand a good chance that it will at least recognise it’s name when you call it.

    • The Badger says:

      09:17am | 06/02/11

      Damage update from our position close to liberal headquarters

      Even as liberal private health care medics seek to stem the bleeding from recent self inflicted wounds to the party and its one star General Tony Abbott, more details are emerging about the damage inflicted from within.

      Sources within the party tells us “There are growing concerns within the party that Mr Abbott’s response to the flood levy has been ‘‘hamfisted and half-cocked”,  leaving the Coalition vulnerable to attack when Parliament resumes this week, when most had expected to be in a strong position to tackle the government on immigration policy and spending programs.”

      “Responsibility for the mis-step has been placed with Liberal Party director Brian Loughnane but a senior Liberal MP said it was sloppy work on behalf of Mr Abbott’s office.
      But another group of MPs - those moderately aligned - told The Sun-Herald they were concerned Mr Abbott lacks the ability to convert his political opportunities into significant wins for the Coalition.”
      And as if this wasn’t enough, “The source detailed apparent growing rancour between opposition finance spokesman Andrew Robb and shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, with the former reportedly agitating for the latter’s job. This had led to conservative MPs quietly sounding out colleagues, warning of the perils of unstable relationships and rivalries in the ranks.”

      Seems as if it’s all unravelling as the Abbott machine runs out of puff.

      http://tinyurl.com/6act4pz

    • Christian Real says:

      09:19am | 06/02/11

      The Badger
      A well written and composed comment Badger,but you can rest assure that the Liberal cheersquad in these blogs will try really hard to pull your comment apart piece by piece because in reality, they will not have an answer to respond to it in any other way

    • WayneT says:

      10:22am | 06/02/11

      It’s parody, so why would anyone bother. Beside the fact this is all happening a long way from election time.  Most of the voting public are moronic sheep and won’t remember how badly either Abbott or Gillard are currently performing.  This forum is really just for people to let off steam and shake their fist at the sky - like me…. It’s damn good therapy, stops you going postal.

    • The Badger says:

      10:57am | 06/02/11

      No Wayne
      It’s Oh so real, follow the links and prepare to be very upset at the unravelling of the opposition from within.

    • WayneT says:

      12:28pm | 06/02/11

      Much like Labor will when the Greens get control of the Senate!

    • nossy says:

      09:44am | 06/02/11

      Penbo another big hitter journo puts the slipper into Tones for oppposing the flood levy - this time Michelle Grattan - now Michelle has been around the block a few times and knows which way is up - as does Laurie Oakes and Peter Van Onselen who wrote similar articles critical of Tones. Mind you and fair enough they also gave Gillard a mention too at times in not too glowing terms !
      http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/winds-of-change-20110205-1ahoo.html

    • john says:

      02:52pm | 06/02/11

      @nossy, its embarrassing to watch you pay lip service to that old crow Michelle Grattan, When are you going to get it through your thick skull if you choose to live in Far nth Qld you accept the cyclone risks? Are you asking us to pay tax to restore billion dollar resorts, yacht harbors for rich pigs to sun their fat arses once again in cardwell, hayman & dunk islands, that we saw get blown away in 285km/hr winds? or the million dollar mansions lining the brisbane river and the million dollar private jetties that got washed away with their million dollar private boats?? Or the multi-million dollar cane farms and banana industry? Sure people got hurt economically however they should of had proper insurance living in those regions as Bob Katter said the other day he has lived through 35 cyclones. Sinking the boot into Tony defending Australian citizens from taxes is wrong…Tony is doing exactly what he should be doing defending citizens from tax and pro-labor reporters who should be impartial and reporting facts and not channeling their own beliefs through their distorted reporting.

    • nossy says:

      03:35pm | 06/02/11

      @John - Bob Katter has lived through 35 cyclones ! Ahhh now I see his problem John !  That explains a lot about the man !hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats made my day fella !

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      09:48am | 06/02/11

      The impression this piece gives is that both parties receive similar levels of funding, from various sources. The fact that union funds distort this apparent equality enormously is left unremarked, despite the Labor party receiving MILLIONS of dollars from the unions.

      Very sneaky.

    • Joel B1 says:

      11:00am | 06/02/11

      And from gambling…

    • The Badger says:

      11:04am | 06/02/11

      No, this is sneaky
      http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/latest/8717599/grylls-to-release-palmer-files/

      Give the Nationals and Liberals a few hundred thousand and get exempted from putting up a 45 million dollar environmental bond on a mining project.

      And you wonder why the mining companies are in bed with the LNP - you don’t have to wonder any more.

      Pure conservative greed.

    • jf says:

      06:37am | 07/02/11

      Both parties do receive similar levels of funding from various sources if you don’t include the money that the ALP receive from the Unions. Money that the Unions steal from their members.

    • Matt says:

      10:04am | 06/02/11

      I’m certainly no member of a Liberal cheersquad, but I stopped reading Badger’s drivel a long time ago.

      Some bloggers are informative, others give an interesting insight to alternative points of view and mount an argument that will sometimes sway my own opinion.

      Then there are the Badger types: dull, sometimes aggressive, usually derogative, off topic and always partisan (either way).

      There are too many other worthwhile comments to bother with the Badgers.

    • The Badger says:

      04:57pm | 06/02/11

      I guess the truth hurts too much you poor dear

      asif your opinion could be swayed.
      The only swaying you’ll be doing is in than chiffon dress you keep tucked away.

    • Andrew says:

      12:04pm | 07/02/11

      Ahh Badger, took the bait and proved the point. Nice work Matt.

      You’re so funny Badg, no-one hates like the left.

    • The Badger says:

      07:33pm | 07/02/11

      Yes Andrew and no one makes an easier target than a staunch conservative.

    • Dobbo says:

      10:22am | 06/02/11

      Tony Abbott - Dead Man Walking Award 2011. That’s becoming increasingly clear from a range of articles including sections of this one.

      How different might it have been if Abbott had shown a more astute political sensibility (not to mention plain old fashioned humanity) and chosen to stand shoulder to shoulder with the PM (and Bligh) as a crisis of national import hit.

      Some have maintained he was not invited to do so. If so another example of poor leadership and political nous. Abbott should have taken the initiative and said something along the lines that since these latest series of weather-driven disasters were the most serious since whenever (maybe WW2?) he wished to stand in solidarity with the PM in the nation’s darkest hour.

      Had he been turned down, he could have launched a justifiable attack.

      Then again maybe this was never possible with a poltician with a divide and conquer mentality. Maybe too Abbott would have felt insecure alongside two such powerful women adding to his problems as he struggles to stay relevant.

    • Eric says:

      01:14pm | 06/02/11

      You mean the same way Gillard tried to embarrass Abbott with her trip to Afghanistan last year?  She could have brought Abbott along on the same plane but chose not to.  Wonder why?

    • Aasq says:

      05:07pm | 06/02/11

      Because Abbott refused the Prime Minister’s invitation to do so, Eric, claiming that he didn’t want to arrive “jetlagged” for the Tory Conference in the UK.

      It was possibly his finest moment, so I’m amazed that you could forget so soon. Perhaps your issues have addled your memory ?

    • Dave C says:

      10:38am | 06/02/11

      I am an LNP supporter but on this occasion I believe Abbott is wrong to appose the tax, this is because the tax is so small I dont believe it will effect peoples back pockets and because the tax is temporary. I also apposed Work Choices when Howard was in power (as did Abbott when he was in Howards Cabinet)

      BUT BUT BUT…...

      The anti Abbott bile on the forum is ridiculous. When the Howard Govt was in power the ALP apposed strongly (amongst other things) the GST, the War in Iraq, The Baby Bonus and Work Choices as was their right as an opposition. No issues there its the ALP’s right to appose LNP Govt policies thats what politics is about.

      However when Abbott apposes a new tax (which I as I said personally dont appose) people like Christian Real pour abusive partisan bile upon him for not supporting the tax because its not “in the national interest” ALP supporters somehow believe it was ok to appose the GST, Iraq War and Work Choices but some how Abbott has no right to appose anything Rudd/Gillard have done or plan to do. Hypocritical I believe is the word to describe it hmmmmmmm.

      As for donations, FMD…. the entire Union Movement asked for donations as did the ALP to get rid of Work Choices (which is their right) didnt they??? Remember the “your rights at work” campaign? I repeat the ALP and Unions asked for donations so a public policy could be changed by changing the Government. When Tony Abbott asks for donations to overturn a Govt policy (in this case the flood tax) by changing the government, then there is an almighty loud boo ha ha “isnt Tony Abbott terrible” by the media and the partisan Abbott haters on this forum. Again hypocritical is the word to use.

      As for the original headline maybe David is correct, either we ban all donations to political parties which means no political advertising (that also includes Unions and Business and Groups like Get Up) or we make it open slather and anybody can donate anything and either every dollar donated is made public or every dollar donated is made in secret.

    • Gregg says:

      12:00pm | 06/02/11

      Davey, as you well refer to, it is likely the ALP bile is not going to disappear anytime soon for it is in their very nature.

      The artical authors will usually avoid personal attack but the very bias of some reporting can be like a red flag to a bull and if you attempt to refute claims that would show the fallacy of the waving of the flag, such responses for whatever reason may not appear.

      Meanwhile the usual gang members will like nothing better than to spew forth with their vomit, it only being black and white here rather than technicolour.
      I myself will criticise many Labor efforts and even the prime ministerial behaviour of Gillard, Rudd before her being no better and you only have to ever watch some of televised Question time in Parliament House to get an idea of what goes on.

      But analysis and being critical of performance, even wanting to describe it as reptilian like is a long way from the style of retorts I refer to from both Labor politicians and their supporters it seems.
      It keeps them buzzing or whatever, us laughing and appreciating that there can be different levels of behaviour.

      I am just reading a book on Kevin Sheedy’s life and one thing Kevin mentions is that whereas you’ll never stop people hating it can be of benefit to get a grasp of why they may hate.
      It can start with understanding I believe, and the media have a large role in that for the public and of course themselves.

    • DocBud says:

      11:09am | 06/02/11

      The political system is individual based not party based which means that any public funding would have to go equally to any candidate, however improbable their chance of winning. It would also be necessary that any use of public funds or their position by a sitting MP to gain an advantage would be a criminal offence. Effectively, once an election was called, all official duties of an MP would have to cease.

      Furthermore, if taxpayers money is to be used for campaign funding, any registered taxpayer, irrespective of nationality, would have to be given the vote.

      I personally am totally opposed to using public funds for election campaigns, it effectively means that taxpayers are forced to fund prospective politicians with whom they fundamentally disagree. The less funds the better as far as I’m concerned, that way our lives will be less disrupted come election time. So I’d happily see membership fee only elections with a ban on third party advertising once the election has been announced (with it also being a criminal offence for the government to use its knowledge of election timing to get some third party adds in before the announcement).

    • Gregg says:

      11:22am | 06/02/11

      I had made a quite open factul post on the Dr No to Mr Yes yesterday Penbo, obviously too close to the bone in indicating how Mark Kenny’s view was rather slanted away from the truth.

      I had thought you might be somewhat better Penbo and in fact have sen far better from you and I suppose you cannot be surprised with some of the responses.

      Hoping for better from you next time.
      Perhaps you’ll do one on King Rudd to Queen Julia and the Royal Court Swans and Gooses, a UN knighting now sought from the one killed off.

    • Mary Monica Roche says:

      11:23am | 06/02/11

      No Labor voters and no Labor Party members worry about Tony Abbott, whoever he is. Just let him talk himself into oblivion if he ever appears.
      In Sydney Australia, its been far too hot for far too long to worry about Red Faces Contestants like whats his name.Sorry I have forgotten him already.

    • Adrian of Adelaide says:

      12:35pm | 06/02/11

      You and all those other those ALP folk must have short memories MMR – you certainly knew who Tony Abbott was only a few months ago when the Coalition gave the ALP a hiding at the last election. From landslide winners in 2007 to skin-of-the-teeth hangers on in just one term – a spectacular slide!

      Although frankly, it’s not so important what the ALP’s rusted-on supporters remember – if I were you I’d be more concerned about what ‘thinking voters’ will remember come next election.

      When the ALP loses the next election, as they surely will, they’ll be out of the picture for close to a generation. Then it won’t be just individual ALP members that will be forgotten, but likely the party itself.

      For a reality check on the ALP’s fortunes MMR, check the latest Victorian election results; then give us your forecast on the upcoming NSW and QLD polls. Or perhaps you’d forgotten about those too?

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      02:45pm | 06/02/11

      You appear to have missed the result of the last election Mary, where Mr Abbott polled more votes for the Libs than Ms Gillard won for Labor.

      I have no doubt that you will be reminded of Mr Abbott and his policies come the next election, when I expect he will be PM.

    • Aasq says:

      05:29pm | 06/02/11

      It looks like it was you who missed the result of the last election, Steve.

      Have a look here at the AEC site.

      Australian Labor Party   4,711,363
      Liberal                     3,777,383

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      07:04pm | 06/02/11

      @Aasq” sorry old mate, perhaps I used the wrong words. The Libs won more seats than Labor, which under our admittedly crappy rules should mean that the Libs win government. However, Ms Gillard was more willing to compromise her beliefs and snare the PM’s position by selling out to independents, hence she is our PM.

    • Ben81 says:

      08:00pm | 06/02/11

      Aasq, wow that looks pretty bad until you consider that whole Coalition thing…

    • Aasq says:

      08:04pm | 06/02/11

      There’s no perhaps about it, Steve, and no, it shouldn’t. I would have thought everyone understood that by now.

      And I’m not your old mate.

    • Aasq says:

      08:14pm | 06/02/11

      p.s. And no, Steve, they didn’t.

      Have another look here at the AEC site.

      Australian Labor Party 72
      Liberal                   44

    • Ben81 says:

      12:50pm | 07/02/11

      Aasq, again, there was that little Coalition thing you’re overlooking that’s kind of important in the real world.  Steve’s bad wording is no excuse.

    • Aasq says:

      04:41pm | 07/02/11

      I’m not the one overlooking it, Ben. I can’t be bothered explaining it to Steve, so while you’re at it, could you also explain to him which Party formed Government.

    • Ben81 says:

      07:54pm | 07/02/11

      Sure you are Aasq, you think it it looks better for you when you only pick out the numbers that are convenient.

      ” could you also explain to him which Party formed Government. “
      Labor, on the backs of the Greens and Independents who were elected by people who didn’t vote Labor.

    • Aasq says:

      09:05pm | 07/02/11

      There you go, Steve.

      And just in case you’re still confused, Ben wasn’t suggesting that the Greens and Independents were elected by people who voted for the Coalition.

    • mary monica roche says:

      11:31am | 06/02/11

      if you get rid of political donations,you get rid of political election signs outside houses and businesses, you get rid of very poor political advertisements on television, you get rid of election campaign launches and how to vote cards at polling booths & letter boxes,you get rid of election culture in political parties and amongst the party members, and you get rid of nothing.

    • mary monica roche says:

      11:37am | 06/02/11

      if you got rid of all political donations, the greens would win all elections and Australia would be saved from multinationals ,big business ,the rich, the United Kingdom and the United States.

      Tony Abbott belongs in the Sydney University Students Representative Council, Union Recorder and Honi Soit.

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      02:49pm | 06/02/11

      The Greens will never win government in their own right. They exist only as the hard left alternative to Labor - the place where Labor supporters park their vote when Labor fail - again - to deliver what they promise.

      I expect the Greens to fade away over coming years, as people see more clearly that they are a fringe party only, representative only of loonies with no social conscience or empathy.

    • guy lee hanlon says:

      11:55am | 06/02/11

      Your comment:
      Liberal Voters would love to donate Tony Abbott to the ALP free of charge.

    • john says:

      12:03pm | 06/02/11

      Since the majority of Australian owned mines are now owned overseas, now that Tony is in a bipartisan mood he should consider that we need to take more of our share, and also carbon tax those corporations polluting our land & air.

      http://www.mining-tax.com.au/

    • Richard says:

      03:58pm | 06/02/11

      You greedy sod, what ever happened to property rights? What gives “us” the right to “take more of our share” when we haven’t risked our capital, we haven’t gone to all the effort to find and develop and extract anything, we haven’t done anything to generate any wealth or add any value, why do you think “we” are so entitled to something we haven’t earned?

    • john says:

      05:33pm | 06/02/11

      @Richard

      What property rights? If its fitting 200 years ago “whats yours is mine” from the indigenous people, then the same principle applies today “whats yours is mine” and 22 million other Australians. for example, you sell our soil offshore, we want our share.
      You say..“What gives us more right to take more”, simple, sell more coal etc indirectly creates more greenhouse gases and changes climate and we need more to fix the problems created.
      You say we haven’t risked capital, I say your very wrong, we risked more than that, Vic bushfires,WA,VIC,SA,QLD NSW floods,cyclones continue and has cost hundreds of lives, that’s human capital, the ultimate price to risk.

      I want more of that mining share spoils, and I want it now.

      Its the old saying everything has a price. PAY UP.

    • Richard says:

      07:36pm | 06/02/11

      Your thinking processes are quite discombobulated, aren’t they john? Don’t try to deny it, because you are making no sense at all, and contradicting yourself besides.

      Whatever happened 220+ years ago in the era of the Industrial Revolution and European Colonialism is not relevant to a discussion of correct and ethical business/taxation practices in the 21st Century age of Globalism and Inter-connectedness.

      Therefore, when you say “for example, you sell our soil offshore, we want our share”, are you unaware that mining companies DO already pay “us” our “share” for that privilege in the form of royalties? State governments are free to increase those royalty payment rates whenever they want, as in fact the Liberal state government in WA has done recently (and incidentally as all state governments will undoubtedly be doing now its been confirmed that all royalty increases will be rebated by the gullible federal government).

      But that’s not what this new tax is about: its about taxing profits, as if making profits is some great social evil, eg “how dare those evil mining organisations succeed in business? They have some gall to be making that amount of money” etc. This sends the wrong message, namely that if an Australian company or industry succeeds too much, they will be punished with higher taxes. How does that promote the great entrepreneurial spirit of Australian individuals?

      Then you started talking about climate change and said that because coal and gas generate carbon emissions the government should increase its profitability from the sale of them. That is a ludicrous statement: If its unethical to export coal and gas, then how does the government seeking to increase its share of profits from such exports exonerate the government of moral culpability? Surely the more the government directly profits from the sale of greenhouse gas generating products, the greater its share of guilt will be. The logical conclusion of your line of thinking is to increase the guilt of all Australians for practices you consider unethical.

      Not only that, but there will also now be a huge moral hazard, in that if coal and gas exports are all of a sudden so hugely profitable for the government, then where is their incentive to reduce such exports? Instead of reducing exports, wouldn’t the government be doing everything they can to increase exports in order to gain greater tax revenues?

      And simply listing a few natural disasters does not prove entitlement to unearned booty. Natural disasters occur the world over, it is an inevitable aspect of the human condition, we are subject to our environment. But simply existing doesn’t mean you deserve a living, you’ve got to work for it mate.

    • john says:

      11:41pm | 06/02/11

      @Richard “discombobulated” really?

      “not relevant to a discussion of correct and ethical business/taxation practices in the 21st Century age of Globalism” ...well lets take your angle about corporate ethics, and sweep the attitude of the last ~200 yrs under the carpet, just for a moment.

      As for paragraph 3, well aware, perhaps educate yourself here first before commenting: http://www.mining-tax.com.au/

      Your paragraph 4 contradicts paragraphs 5,6,7.

      You state:
      “That is a ludicrous statement: If its unethical to export coal and gas, then how does the government seeking to increase its share of profits from such exports exonerate the government of moral culpability? Surely the more the government directly profits from the sale of greenhouse gas generating products, the greater its share of guilt will be. The logical conclusion of your line of thinking is to increase the guilt of all Australians for practices you consider unethical.”

      Your right it doesn’t exonerate the government of moral culpability, however this is the age or ethical & moral correctness right? In regards to my moral thinking in the second part, that is correct, K Rudd tried to shift Australia to a more ethical middle ground and failed. You have a better way, other than increasing the guilt? Perhaps you could advise the PM.

      You state:
      ” if coal and gas exports are all of a sudden so hugely profitable for the government, then where is their incentive to reduce such exports?”
      ans; so in this case there is no ethical guidance in the 21st century?

      “But simply existing doesn’t mean you deserve a living, you’ve got to work for it mate.” Correct, I am in the same boat as you, eventually working for a corporations with now more control from stakeholders of foreign citizenship. They are our future masters, as time goes by they will have the final say, and you and I will be subservient, for better or worse.

      I would rather take my chances and keep the ethic whats yours is mine while we still can.

      IMHO the words “correct and ethical business/taxation practices in the 21st Century age of Globalism” is akin to skid marks on toilet paper. That quoted above is loaded with hypocrisy, contradictions, and we both know it is…. in layman’s terms, crap. Delusional fodder at best for fresh innocent minds and to fill university courses that don’t reflect the real world and to facilitate production line degrees & PhD’s for those wishing to work for the very same corporations we are talking about.

    • GeoffD says:

      12:07pm | 06/02/11

      Well said David, but you could be stronger. The entire political system is corrupted by monied interests.  Our democracy is deeply perverted - it’s a plutocracy, at local, state and federal levels.  Instead of standing back and deciding policy on merit, the pollies just look after the best-funded lobbyists and those with the means to attack them with PR.

      Some aspects would be hard, as one or two here have noted, but that’s no reason not to set about doing it.  We collect income tax, even though many try to dodge them.

        No policy on either side actually does anything to shift from coal burning.

    • John says:

      12:22pm | 06/02/11

      Surely this is a joke - you will never have an effective Opposition if you move to a system where their entire budget for getting a message out is provided by the Government.
      And if political donations are banned, that is no guarantee they will stop.
      I think it’s better to have a system where donations are disclosed publicly, and where there is a financial incentive to disclose them ie. tax deductibility, so the law is at least somewhat effective. It is illogical to think that laws are automatically obeyed or followed when enacted.
      A system where political funding is government controlled, or is moved underground by blanket bans sounds pretty scary.
      Said another way, banning all donations to an opposition… and making their funding completely dependent on government legislation is a great way to land yourself a dictatorship.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:22pm | 06/02/11

      “He could and should have said that the Liberal Party had issued the appeal for donations under its own steam and that he had spoken to the people involved and ordered them, as leader, to set aside any money raised to be handed directly and entirely to the Queensland Flood Appeal.”

      Why?  Should he have lied and said that no donated funds would be used to campaign against this particular issue, as if they could somehow do it for free?  The link went to their general donation page, should they have guessed how much money donated came from the email (if there even was any) and handed that over to the flood appeal or something?

      It was simply an email talking about the party’s reasons for opposing the levy (people should go read it btw), with a line inserted at the bottom that said “P.S. Click to donate to help our campaign against Labor’s flood tax”, just as it would say “P.S. Click to donate to help us fight against Labor’s waste” had it been about some failed government scheme for example.  He told the truth about why the line is put there, like it or not.
      People who already have a rabid and irrational hatred for Tony Abbott convinced themselves that there was some kind of anti-tax fund set up and this proves he’s the antichrist, everyone else sighed at the usual storm in a teacup and moved on.
      The ones who can’t move on are the usual crowd trying to grab at anything they can to attack Tony Abbott.  They’re loving it.  I don’t think your suggestion would do much to shut them up Penbo, or not make them even more cynical.

    • Tropical from the Ville says:

      12:29pm | 06/02/11

      No outrage about the greens $1.6 million given to them by WOTIF founder Graham wood. No outrage about the $70 million plus for the last electon for Labor from the unions and of course no outrage from Mr Penberthy about the soliciting for donations by Gillard on her website after her Press Club speech. But thanks for highlighting continually how useless Labor and her media supporters really are. As they say we are not stupid mate!

    • yofussn says:

      12:37pm | 06/02/11

      Get your tunnel visors off your noggin twithead. yes penby dat be you. takes one to know one ay ? our champion of a just cause !

    • scaper... says:

      12:58pm | 06/02/11

      Lets just get rid of the useless politicians from all sides and get people of talent and conviction to sort this mess out.

      It beats me how anyone can support either Gillard or Abbott. Like cheering for two footy sides playing for the wooden spoon!

    • Seano says:

      01:07pm | 06/02/11

      Yet again we see Abbott for what he is heartless, self-centered and power driven. In other words a right bastard with no sense of priority or perspective who’s not fit to be PM.

    • Cate P says:

      01:10pm | 06/02/11

      Tony Abbott wouldn’t lie about it or drop his office or Lib central into it.  If people donated using the link, they want it to go the Liberal Party not the flood appeal so he wouldn’t be so arrogant as to unilaterally divert specific donations to the Liberal Party to the flood appeal.  Simplest to admit a mistake and move on as he has done.  As usual, take him or leave him.  I don’t see any problem with straight out donations to political parties, its a free country, but I don’t like fundraisers that guarantee special access to someone.  Don’t mind big dinners with particular speakers as a drawcard, but the smaller functions that promise direct private access.  Fact is if donations were banned they’d all find other, sneakier ways of getting money from punters; best keep it more open and legal.

    • Christian Real says:

      03:50pm | 06/02/11

      Cate P
      We are talking about the same Tony Abbott who said"Don’t believe everything I say”
      Didn’t Tony Abbott also say ” The Only statements that need to be taken as absolutely gospel truth are those carefully prepared scripted remarks”
      And you Cate P says: “Tony Abbott wouldn’t lie about it or drop his office or Lib central into it”
      Dream on!

    • Aasq says:

      05:42pm | 06/02/11

      Incorrect, Cate.

      Here are Tony Abbott’s exact words from his interview on Insiders with Barrie Cassidy this morning.

      “BARRIE CASSIDY: Okay I just want to go back to that email. Did you read it? Did you read it before it went out? It went out under your signature.

      TONY ABBOTT: Look I read the text of a letter. But the information that was then added is up to the Liberal Party.

      BARRIE CASSIDY: So you, but it was a P.S. under your signature. So it was the whole thing was your letter. It just does seem to be a bit sloppy. Is that, would you allow that in government? Would you allow a letter to go out under your name without reading it?

      TONY ABBOTT: (Laughs) Barrie, look, people will make up their own minds about this.”

      Abbott handballed responsibility for the email directly to Liberal Party Federal Director Brian Loughnane.

    • Cate P says:

      08:37pm | 06/02/11

      Asaq, interesting editing job.  Thanks for the link though, glad I read the whole transcript.  It doesn’t support the assertion that he slams it back to Loughnane, or that he lied, Christian Real.  However, as Abbott says, people will judge for themselves, as always.

    • Aasq says:

      11:10pm | 06/02/11

      You’re welcome, Cate.

      Who else but Brian Loughnane do you think Abbott was referring to when he said “the information that was then added is up to the Liberal Party.”

      Have a look at the email, in particular at the part where it says “Authorised by Brian Loughnane for the Liberal Party of Australia”

      Abbott knew that. Barrie Cassidy knew that. I knew that, but apparently you didn’t. Well now you do.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:47am | 07/02/11

      Cate P
      And Tony Abbott hasn’t proved me wrong yet, I have judged his character and the calibre of person he is correctly.
      It is only people like you that are too blind,narrow minded and tunnel visioned to see what Tony Abbott is all about.
      Everything Tony Abbott does and say, is about Tony Abbott,even his body language gives away the fact that he is not being honest or sincere when he is speaking.
      Tony Abbott has no morals or integrity, nor has he any respect for the people of Queensland who lost their homes during Cyclone Yasi,while he was busy launching his email appeal for donations to help his anti Flood Levy campaign.
      Tony Abbott is only concerned about himself ,his ambitions and his dreams to become Prime Minister one day,then to care about the whole State of Queensland that has being ravaged by servere floods and most recently Cyclone Yasi.
      For Tony Abbott to play political games and to use both of these natural disasters as a political football by attempting to gain cheap political points from them,  shows just how low he is prepared to sink to fulfill his dreams and ambitions of maybe becoming Prime Minister.
      The disrepect and the utter contempt that Tony Abbott has shown towards the people and the state of Queensland,shows just really out of touch he has became in his desperate bid to rise to the top job.

    • Cate P says:

      11:45am | 07/02/11

      Asaq and Christian Real, but I don’t see Brian Loughnane up there being questioned about it, I see Tony Abbott.  I see no comment from anyone else, just Tony Abbott. Tony Abbott has decided that Tony Abbott will deal with this one and people will make up their own minds.  You’ve made up yours.  I’ve made up mine.

    • Aasq says:

      04:54pm | 07/02/11

      Cate.

      You said, “Tony Abbott wouldn’t lie about it or drop his office or Lib central into it.”

      But Tony Abbott said, “Look I read the text of a letter. But the information that was then added is up to the Liberal Party.”

      Abbott handballed responsibility for the email directly to Liberal Party Federal Director Brian Loughnane, as you now know.

    • Aasq says:

      09:16pm | 07/02/11

      And Cate.

      You said, “I see no comment from anyone else, just Tony Abbott.”

      Well, now you can see what Joe Hockey had to say about it ...

      “Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey today did what his leader has declined to do and said the donation plea was a mistake by the Liberal Party organisation.

      “Obviously the party made a mistake, it was wrong,” Mr Hockey told ABC Radio.”

    • Eric says:

      01:20pm | 06/02/11

      Oh - you mean the 30 - 35% of the population who don’t worry about Abbott?  Looks like your party is getting smaller by the month.  What do you predict Labor’s primary vote will be in NSW - after all - you live there?  I’m guessing around 25% primary.

    • room to move says:

      01:21pm | 06/02/11

      Let’s just get rid of all political donations…. err no let’s just get rid of all political parties altogether instead. The current political system is obsolete and so are politicians. We need to have ACCOUNTABLE people/ boards/ committees making long term decisions in the best interests of Australians. All we have now is corporatism. And for some unbelievable reason you think I’m kidding go and read an Orwell novel and WTFU.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:31pm | 06/02/11

      A better solution would a blanket ban on all television advertising explicitly or implicitly referring to a political political party in an election year. This would greatly reduce campaign expenditure thus the need for large donations from business and unions. Of course, politicians *like* being the whores of big business and unions. (It gives them jobs to go to when they get kicked out of office)

      BTW there is a defacto immigration boost through the increase of 457 visas in “response” to the natural disasters in Queensland. Very sneaky Labor. At least there won’t be a need to preempt the forthcoming report on “Sustainable Australia”. And you wonder why I hate Labor as much as I hate the Liberal Party. They are both the same.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:07pm | 07/02/11

      Plus one. Your right Shane, costs would go way down with a ban on TV ads and it would be enforcable

    • The Badger says:

      06:14pm | 07/02/11

      And advertising revenue would go down for the main media outlets.
      Now do honestly think Murdoch would stand for that?
      Get a grip

    • TheRedRat says:

      02:12pm | 06/02/11

      I am amused by those posters who rail against the ALP getting donations from the unions….you obviously don’t know much about Australian political history. The ALP was formed to give a political voice to the union movement after the shearer’s strike in the 1890’s. I can understand your confusion given the pro market shift in the ALP but supposedly they exist to defend worker’s rights. By the way the Mad Monk is just a grub, no two ways about it.

    • Nicki says:

      02:20pm | 06/02/11

      Q - What Tony Abbott and former wanna be Priest have in common?
      A - Lies,hypocrisy and need for key to the Lodge.

    • john says:

      03:19pm | 06/02/11

      oh…so your trust lays with a lawyer? Not a priest?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:59pm | 06/02/11

      Joke Time!!
      Q. How can you tell if Tony Abbott is lying?
      A. He opens his mouth.

      Q. What does a Liberal promise and a worm in an apple have in common?
      A. Both are rotten at the core.

      Q. Why is Mrs Abbott is a bit miffed?
      A. Tony is always in bed with big business.

      Q. What do you call 100 politicians on a sinking ship?
      A. A good start

      I love Joke time…..

    • Eno The Wonderdog says:

      03:55pm | 06/02/11

      I like the idea Penbo - my only problem is that you’d still have the big money players circling the Libs and the Unions circling the Labs, and unless you want a whole lot of unpleasantness about who’s friends with who and gets “Gifts”.. I don’t see how it would work.

    • Richard says:

      04:19pm | 06/02/11

      Yeah, great idea, lets get the long-suffering tax-payer to pick up yet another tab and pay it out of the public purse… Will you clowns ever be satisfied until you’ve totally extinguished all individual thought and action from the face of Australia forever? Governmental bureaucratic administration is not a wonderful panacea that solves all problems, we need to leave as many spheres of influence free for individuals to take individual action in unfettered by big brother as possible, and that includes political donations.

      But I mean, what exactly is the problem anyway? It seems to me that Labor is by far the best funded political party in Australia in lieu of all their back scratching between union thugs and party hacks. And the Greens are certainly well-funded these days, what with multi-million dollar donations rolling in from wotif.com founders and what-not.

      It seems to me that the only party that is financially troubled is the Libs, (which might explain some of their more unconventional funding appeals, such as the link to donate in the flood-levy email.)

      And that is what this article is really about: more journos lining up to take pot shots at Abbott and the Libs. But you know what? I think you’ve finally done it. I warned you about it many times, I said “if you keep crying wolf, the time will come when no one listens to you any more”, but you kept doing it, and now you’ve all tried to manufacture a scandal again, and lo and behold, NO ONE CARES.

      I’m not just saying that because I don’t care, I really try to keep a very tight and unbiased finger on the pulse of national opinion, and I can tell you leftist journos that I’ve detected two unequivocal sentiments floating around in Public Opinion-land that are relevant to this discussion:
      1. The public opposes the flood levy
      2. The public doesn’t care about the Libs asking for donations to fight the flood levy in an email sent out to Liberal party members.

    • Seano says:

      06:32pm | 06/02/11

      “NO ONE CARES”

      100+ comments on a Sunday, someone cares.

      Regarding the senitments you claim to have detected:
      1. Whilst I may disagree with the funding of the rebuilding (my preference like the financial markets was to stay in deficit for a while longer) I accept that part of being Australian is doing my bit. If floods, cyclones, bushfires, earthquakes or terrorists etc etc destroyed my town I’d hope that there’d be government help to rebuild. I think you’ll find that there are many other Australians who don’t mind doing their bit considering the circumstances. IMO the anger over the levy is largely manufactured Liberal BS.

      2. I agree that many wouldn’t even know about Abbott asking for donations to fight the flood levy. That doesn’t make it any less disgusting when people have lost their whole lives and are desperate for financial help for Abbott to be asking for money out of the public pocket to play party politics. It shows where his priorities are, not with the people who need help but with his own election dreams.

      Ask the public whether Abbott should raise money off the back of the floods to fund policy debates or to help those in need.  The outcome would not be good for Tony. Little wonder the bloke is not well liked.

    • Richard says:

      09:45pm | 06/02/11

      Abbott didn’t “ask for money out of the public pocket to play party politics”, his party sent an email out to its members (i.e. Liberal party members) rallying them to oppose the flood levy.

      Now the Liberal party stands for lower taxes first and foremost, so I don’t know why Abbott should be demonised for pursuing the stated conviction of his political party.

      As a footnote to that letter, there was a link asking members to donate to the Liberal party. I don’t know if you’re aware, but apparently the Libs are in quite a bit of financial strife, and they desperately need money to stay afloat (no pun intended).

      It was never an either/or proposition. Its just a case of the Libs needing money and putting a small little link in an email opposing the flood levy appealing for donations. The email never implied or insinuated that anybody should not donate money to the Qld (Labor) Premier’s Flood Appeal, so IMO I think the real disgusting actions are those of the snoopy leftist journalists who got their grubby mits on this email and tried to manufacture a scandal out of it.

    • Seano says:

      07:04am | 07/02/11

      @Richard

      “his party sent an email out to its members (i.e. Liberal party members) rallying them to oppose the flood levy. “

      Members of the Liberal party are not members of the public? Or are they so elitest to see themselves as seperate?

      “Now the Liberal party stands for lower taxes first and foremost, so I don’t know why Abbott should be demonised for pursuing the stated conviction of his political party. “

      Perhaps because he proposes Levies for his paid maternity scheme, perhaps because he was a part a government imposed several levies including the gun levy.

      Perhaps because playing party politics with a tragedy is sad at best, immoral at worst.

      “Libs are in quite a bit of financial strife, and they desperately need money to stay afloat (no pun intended). “

      I find that hard to believe. Spruiking for hand outs using an issue that involves such unresolved tragedy is not the way a decent party would get themselves on their feet though.

      “It was never an either/or proposition. “

      Not a little hypocritally the same people saying that people cannot afford the levy are suggesting people could afford to donate to fight the levy as well as help flood victims?


      “IMO I think the real disgusting actions are those of the snoopy leftist journalists who got their grubby mits on this email and tried to manufacture a scandal out of it. “

      I love it when one of these journos posts an article that doesn’t describe the sun shining out off Abbott’s arse they’re accused of being a “grubby leftist” (as if the word left is a dirty word) but when they’re complimentary of Abbott or scathing of Gillard it’s all “right on” and “hit the nail on the head” type stuff. Makes your whole argument seem so sensible.

    • Richard says:

      10:26am | 07/02/11

      The last Liberal government did make use of a few levies, so what? They also had a track record of delivering 5 income tax cuts in a row. They had a track record of abolishing all sales taxes. Where is Labor’s track record of cutting taxes since 2007? Oh there is none? You mean they’ve just spent the last 3 years jacking up taxes in every conceivable way they think they can get away with? Kind of puts this latest tax hike into perspective. I can’t help but feel sceptical that it will really be as temporary as they say its going to be, I just can’t shake the suspicion that once they get into the routine of collecting that couple extra billion, they won’t be able to kick the habit.

      You think Abbott is “playing party politics with a tragedy”, but I don’t see it that way. Abbott recognises the need to deal with this tragedy, but doesn’t think that slugging productive workers with more taxes at a time when prices for essentials such as food and electricity are already surging relentlessly is the best way to do it. There’s nothing sad or immoral about that stance Seano, you nong.

      And regarding the email, look, you are being deliberately provocative; of course members of the Liberal party are part of the general populace. But they are also members of the Liberal party…. why should they feel guilty about donating to their party? Why should the Liberal party feel guilty about asking them for donations? Especially when they need donations, unlike Labor who receive union dues forcibly collected from workers.

    • Seano says:

      10:50am | 07/02/11

      @Richard - “The last Liberal government did make use of a few levies, so what? “

      Where they a called “great big tax” then?

      Champ the argument isn’t whose record on tax is better, or whatever right wing propaganda you want to put up to obfuscate with, nice try at misdirection. It’s whether it’s appropriate for Abbott to be soliciting for donations using the flood disaster to play party politics when people lost so much during the flood.

      However you try and spin it Abbott has demonstrated his priority is getting elected not in helping the people of QLD.

    • Richard says:

      12:25pm | 07/02/11

      So because a whole bunch millionaires got water in the basements of their waterfront mansions, you think its now inappropriate for a political party to ask its members for donations? That’s a bit of a stretch mate.

      And you can dismiss my observations as “right-wing propaganda”, but that doesn’t change the facts that right now, the world over, food and energy prices are sky-rocketing. Its a global problem, its getting out of hand, and what is Labor planning to do in this context? Increase the medicare levy and impose a carbon tax….

      I’m not obfuscating anything, I’m simply putting these issues into their correct context.

      As for Joe Hockey, well I support him in a big way, and I rate him as an alternative Treasurer over Wayne Swan, but in this instance I think he’s wrong, that it wasn’t a mistake to appeal for donations, because the Libs need to survive, and they need $$$‘s to survive, so I don’t think they’ve done anything wrong by asking for $$$‘s from their supporters, regardless of any other externalities at this time.

    • Seano says:

      01:54pm | 07/02/11

      “So because a whole bunch millionaires got water in the basements of their waterfront mansions”

      People died mate. I’m not interested if talking to you any longer.

    • Richard says:

      07:06pm | 07/02/11

      People do die, life does end, for everybody.

      The events in the Lockyer valley were very tragic, no doubt. But, as a resident of Toowoomba and Brisbane, I can tell from first hand experience that life is going on as normal. The flood events have not changed fabric of Brisbane life irretrievably forever.

      So why someone would think that its not ok now for a political party to appeal for donations because of those flood events is beyond all logic, common-sense and reason; and smacks of a political witch hunt to target the Libs at their weakest point (their lack of a regular steady flow of income like Labor enjoys from the unions).

      And finally Seano, I do hope you mean it when you say you not interested in debating me anymore. You took an outrageously provocative and insultative stance against me last week in the natural medicine thread, and again in this thread you have been attacking me like a vicious bulldog who won’t let go. Are you sure you’re over it now?  In future, I hope you see my name in the comments section and keep on scrolling buddy.

    • Seano says:

      10:45pm | 07/02/11

      “The events in the Lockyer valley were very tragic, no doubt.”

      Oh really. Is that what you actually think? How generous of you.

      “So because a whole bunch millionaires got water in the basements of their waterfront mansions”.

      Like I said you’re not worth talking to.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      04:30pm | 06/02/11

      Hey Shane from Melb.

      Q.The joke is on you,
      A. You live in a LIBERAL STATE.

      Suck It.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:20pm | 06/02/11

      Speaking of the new Liberal Government in Victoria, they have annoyed quite a few people with the introduction of cattle grazing in Alpine National Park ranging from the Federal Environment minister’s office to various scientific bodies that say the trial is unscientific to the native title holders who are a bit miffed they haven’t been consulted. Not bad going for a government that has been in power only a couple of months…..

    • john says:

      05:35pm | 06/02/11

      @TCB 24 X 7

      WACK! nice back hander!

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      08:41pm | 06/02/11

      Now I get it- the new Liberal Party government in Victoria is a joke and the joke is well and truly on me. Ha, ha, ha, that’s pretty funny TCB.

    • john says:

      11:47pm | 06/02/11

      @Shane From Melbourne

      LOL, you still don’t get it… TCB implied YOU are the joke !!

      Even funnier still. smile

    • Biteme says:

      05:56pm | 06/02/11

      Donations for what? Each of the elected MP’s get around $160,000 each. Then they get a $100,000 printing allowance per year. Free office, secretary, and all the hangers on. The TV and papers give them all the time they want. So whats the actual donation money for? In any case all donations should be limited to $5,000 and the donor should be named on a website for public scrutiny.
      Ohh and tables sold at political dinners should count as donations too. They are public servants not a law unto themselves.

    • persephone says:

      09:10pm | 06/02/11

      To give candidates who don’t have the same resources a fair chance at the election.

      Otherwise the local MP would just get re elected automatically, which sort of means there’s no need for elections.

    • Justathought says:

      05:57pm | 06/02/11

      Donations are voluntary—levies are not!  That’s the difference.
      There is a possibility that anyone donating to the party appeal actually donated to the flood appeal as well.
      Should the Liberal party be required to fight the flood levy “pro bono”?
      Flood management planning should be done before the floods - not a knee jerk reaction afterwards.
      Or if the Gillard Labor government hadn’t blown the $22 billion surplus (left to them by the Howard govt), there would be no need for this ridiculous argument of how to pay for the floods.

    • majid says:

      06:13pm | 06/02/11

      Donations are actually claimable and deducted from the amount any person or company has to pay to the tax office.

      Plus, often these donations are handed to specific political parties as a sort of investment… as the donators get something in exchange from the party once elected.

      Therefore, I believe that donations should be banned because at the end of the process, only wealthy people and big companies are the ones who are going to benefit from this disguised bribes/donations…

    • Mr Pod says:

      07:20pm | 06/02/11

      All parties would benefit from ideas donations, parliament seems to be a complete ideas void.

    • JT says:

      06:32am | 07/02/11

      Not on your LNP ass kissing life Penbo. Libs love that tobacco money.

    • Tony H says:

      07:37am | 07/02/11

      No political donations? What will the unions do with all the onsite allowances they picked up from the BER and will be looking to pick up from the NBN?

    • gfc says:

      11:15am | 07/02/11

      You got a problem with keeping people in work you bludger?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      10:03am | 07/02/11

      The problem is enforcement. Banning political donations means they will start happening under the table.

    • Edward James says:

      10:46am | 07/02/11

      We already fund elections. The two parties not much preferred use their electorate postal allowances to pat themselves on the back all the time. politicians who attract a certain percentage of the vote pool get so much money for each vote. I am surprised the Parliamentary Electorates and Elections Act has not been regulated to mandate all donations to cease one month before the elections and all those who make donations of any amount to be identified on a web site. Telling voters after the election who donated to which party is stupid because we need to know who is buying influence and how much they are paying well before the ballot date so we can vote accordingly. Edward James

    • Yak of the Goldfields says:

      01:25pm | 07/02/11

      Good morning all. Hope your weekend’s were wonderful.
      Warning: No political persons or parties will be mentioned in this post.
      I am all for getting rid of political donations. As a tax payer, my $1:70 per week,( I’m assuming it wouldn’t take more than $1.8b), would go toward individual candidates telling me what they would do for myself, my family and my electorate without going overboard on the party retoric.
      Would this give the independant candidate the same “air-time” as the major parties?
      Why do we think we only have a choice between two or three alternatives.
      I love the idea that an elected representative could vote or veto on the behalf of their constituents wishes and not be beholden to the party line.
      But I digress….
      Political parties are in this game for one reason….Power.
      It is certainly not for the betterment of the populous, otherwise an Opposition party wouldn’t object to every-bloody-thing. They would try and do what was best for the people, regardless.
      A more diverse parliament would give more voice to the people.
      A more diverse parliament is only possible with an equallity in choice.
      Maybe an even playing-field for all would actually give us what/who we thought we were voting for.

    • Yak of the Goldfields says:

      02:12pm | 07/02/11

      I’m rather proud of my electorate.
      We elected an independant for our region and it’s turning out fine. True, he wouldn’t have as much clout as he has without a hung parliament, but at least he has a say.
      I haven’t agreed with everything he stands for and I will weigh it all up at election time. At least I can blame him and not the federal party machines.
      This is especially important for regional areas. I don’t know why you need representatives for two electrorates covering 100ha, seperated by a freeway.

 

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