This tricky little election of ours has indeed delivered a bizarre but welcome insight into Australian country life.

Look Mum, these carrots must be fake - there's no plastic bag!

And no-one, least of all our country cousins, could ever have predicted such a windfall that, for the first time in a very long time, both left and right of politics are actually listening to a word or two about troubles in the bush.

Thank you Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter for reminding Australians that – yes – people actually do still live “out there”.

Of course the story of the city/country divide is as old as Aesop’s fable and yet it’s still so, well, relevant.

But with the dust barely settled off the $10 billion handshake, it’s concerning that animosity is already growing over the resurrection of the rural vote as some kind of voice of influence in this country.

With it, comes the fear that these bloody bushies are in danger of robbing the Australian taxpayer of funds best spent servicing our bulging urban expanses.

Queue the stereotypes and the slurs: Of country bumpkins forever crying poor. Of the squattocracy calling the shots as they wave their children off to private schools. Of the landed gentry cruising around in their tax-subsidised 4WDs, while city people struggle in deadlocked traffic and train chaos.

As a hick from the sticks, who has lived on both sides of the Great Divide, it would be so simple if the stereotypes were so, well, simple.

Of course, no-one expects city people to understand the intricacies and frustrations of country life. Just as we can’t we expect regional Australians to completely understand the qualities and complications of city life.

The important discussion Australia should be having is not simply a case of costs and numbers – and why one side is more important than the other. But more, it’s a case of fairness and sustainability.

After 30 years of urban centric politics that have seen vital services withdrawn from regional Australia, I’m the first to argue that it’s time for a re-balancing of our nation’s priorities.

It’s true; bushies don’t have a monopoly on suffering. Nor does it appear to me that anyone is suggesting that.

The fact is some of us choose to live where we live. Some of us have no choice. Some of us are just plain ignorant.

And some of us love where we live because we know what’s on the other side - and we wouldn’t have it any other way. And some of us, like me, like to straddle both.

I’ve experienced the pluses and minuses to both. But the reality is for most country folk – that living in the regions does come at a cost – and it’s not tax.

Bugger the platitudes on tyranny of distance and the cost of a phone call. Here are a few little facts.

Country people die younger.

Suicide is a major mental health issue.

Country people are more likely to die of cancer and heart disease.

Why is this important to me? Well, having several family members dealing with cancer and a father with a heart condition does tend to bring it home.

In my hometown of Gunnedah, getting in to see the local GP can quantify a two to three-week wait. Seeing a specialist, even longer.

And if my father needs to have an angiogram, that’s a three to six hour trip to Newcastle or Sydney because if he has a heart attack mid-way through one at the nearest regional hospital, then that’s just “bad luck”. They can’t help him there.

And when the power goes out? Well that’s a call to Port Macquarie – four hour’s drive away.

As for education, well the debate goes on.

Contrary to the stereotype, most country people don’t live on vast stations or farms, or ride lawnmowers that cost as much as a car. They are “townies” – living modest existences not unlike the suburbs, just without the expected city amenities.

And when hard times hit, and they do with monotonous regularity, there are no agricultural subsidies or tax breaks to help them through.

So it’s irritating when I hear the complaints of “wasting” money on the bush because we actually have a lot more in common than we think.

Sure, a hundred years ago, most Australians lived outside capital cities and Australia’s wealth was generated off the sheep’s back.

But back then, most city folk had a country cousin (or twenty) to share stories and understanding.

Times have changed. And every year as we watch Sydney’s sprawl spread ever wider, I have to wonder how long we can sustain this urban ideal without finding solutions beyond the great divide.

City and country don’t necessarily agree on ways and quality of life, but what they do agree on is a collective disillusionment with the political status quo.

And that things do need to change – on a much grander scale.

And what is not helpful is turning the discussion about Australia’s future into a city versus country grudge match.

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    • Veloce says:

      07:45am | 15/09/10

      “With it, comes the fear that these bloody bushies are in danger of robbing the Australian taxpayer of funds best spent servicing our bulging urban expanses.”
      - Please don’t forget that for many years the cities have “plundered” the regional centres and towns of their best, do something and drive through some towns and see how many have vacant houses and shops. No, not the tourist towns, the ones people don’t drive to on their way to the ski slopes or beaches.
      “Equity” is a buzzword and it is important to ensure we are all treated in this way.  Rather that allowing pollies to continually undermine our industries by reducing or eliminating tariffs we should be enforcing the same tariffs that other countries apply to our goods and materials.

    • True Blue says:

      08:06am | 15/09/10

      I would like peanut butter etc. to be the same price in the outback as the suburbs.  We should all pay the same price for food and petrol Australia wide as country people live with less than subiurbanites and they provide the food on our table.  Please, no more imports from China!  Save our countrysied and the great people who live there.

    • Mike T says:

      08:44am | 15/09/10

      Hi True Blue…Im happy for you to pay the same price as peanut butter as me in the city!! On the other side I would like my house in the city to cost the same as yours, on top of that i would like to pay the same road tolls, parking costs etc

      So there we have it the government can subside things that cost extra in the bush (in this case peanut butter due to logistical costs) and they can subsidise my house so that i pay the same that you do for a block of land that measure 500sq metres…..

      Are we all happy with that or is it just the things that cost more in the bush your concerned about and are not fussed to acknowledge things that you get cheaper??? oh okay i get it now

    • Sven Gali says:

      09:45am | 15/09/10

      The key, clearly, is education, and plenty of it.

    • iansand says:

      09:51am | 15/09/10

      Rent should be the same too…

    • fairsfair says:

      10:19am | 15/09/10

      nah, we would just like some bitumin on our roads. That’d help.

      Oh and you may be able to get a block of land for $100k in regional Australia - but to build a 3br house on it will cost you substantially more than it would in the city. Transport and material costs are way way way above what is paid in metro areas.

      There is a difference between cost and value. City values are skyrocketing because of demand. If there was less demand you wouldn’t be faced with the high prices.

      Create demand in the country and you will see things start to even out.  Unfortunately to do that - the government needs to spend some money out here.

      Oh and in doing so, peanut butter would also become cheaper.

    • anti says:

      10:27am | 15/09/10

      well put mike T,
      It is easy to complain about what is more expensive in rural areas but the cost of housing surely makes up for this and more. Why do people alwyas forget about this?
      I’m pretty comfortable with the devide, as pure and simple i don’t like my tax dollars subsidising unsustainable lifestyles.
      I agree with the title of this article and that’s all. Get over the great devide and accept it.

    • Mike T says:

      12:24pm | 15/09/10

      @ Fairsfair.

      you are correct that the cost to actually build would be more in the country. But the facts are that most people buy thier houses mate rather then build, the fact remains that when you buy such house you pay ALOT more in the city, the fact remains that the average mortgage is alot higher for city dwellers…..


      Mate, you can go on about what has caused the inflation in house prices all you want but i would rather you adress the actual point i was trying to make. That being that the individual price of things vary between city and country vary (for many reasons)....... i just get sick of one side (normally the rural side) picking inate objects (PEANUT butter) to justify that things in the bush cost more…. Its BS and a sane person would NEVER concede that cost of living in the bush is more.

      Im happy to debate if the bush needs infrastructre, if the fudning to the bush has been ignored for roads hospital etc then it needs to be adressed. BUT you can “can it” if you are going to ask the city folf to subsidise the cost of individual items.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:48pm | 15/09/10

      Mike T - I did not mean to question what you were saying with the intention to cause offence or indeed question the costs of individual items.

      My point is that if the population was better distributed the divide would lessen. It is all about supply and demand. There is no demand in the bush therefore the supply that is available, costs more - using the previous example - that is even down to Kraft Crunchy. The only thing that really differs is Real Estate BUT, where I live you can’t get any house under $300k and I am faced with paying that off on $40k a year. There is no avenue for me to earn $80-100k a year - which I could get if I chose to live in a city. Yes a house would be cheap here if I earned city wages but in reality they are also over 5x the average annual wage. So it is all relative.

      The point I was trying to make was, that if we invested in creating “lives” in regional Australia we would free up the city and hopefully see demand drop and prices also come down. That however presents a problem for all those who payed rediculous prices only to watch the value fall - so it won’t happen - but maybe we could try and slow it at this point and our wages might one day catch up.

    • Jesse says:

      02:43pm | 15/09/10

      We could ship all the retirees outback, making more room in the city for us youngens, and also creating more work outback to take care of them smile problem solved.

    • acotrel says:

      08:35pm | 15/09/10

      I love living in Benalla, but I’m really looking forward to the day that university lectures are put on broadband.  I have an interest in pursuing further studies in advanced mathematics.  The TAFEs in the bush don’t go beyond the level need to count the stock in the saleyards. I’ve already had the joy of driving to Melbourne for classes, but I no longer have my mother to provide somewhere to sleep afterwards. I’m sure Tony will fix it?>

    • Humph says:

      09:12am | 16/09/10

      Hi Mike,
      I’m happy for you to pay the same house prices as me in the country!! On the other side I would like my electricity bill to be similar to yours, I’d like the consumer choice you get with your electricity and Internet provider, the safe roads, the convenience of shopping online and not having to plan a week ahead for my food because that hour long drive to the major shopping centers just can’t be done every day, my petrol prices to be the same as yours. I’d like to know that I’m not going to have to evacuate due to fire or flood on regular basis. Hell, I’d like to be able to jump on public transport and not have to go to SYDNEY first despite it being hours off track from my destination.

      There’s a lot more to the disparity in cost than just the cost of peanut butter….But gee it’d be a nice start, don’t you think? And….you know, if you really want our house prices, you’re more than welcome to come live here. We won’t hold your being a city slicker against you, for long…. raspberry

    • hills man says:

      08:22am | 15/09/10

      theese “bushies” decided to live in the wilderness and its cheeky for them to whinge about wanting cheaper prices on food and petrol.
      they all cry poor while swanning about in 4wds and are constantly going on holidays.
      they whinge about the political parties but always vote national like lemmings on a cliff top and then spend 3 yrs complaining they get nothing…lets face it people country folk are red neck with little education, sadly conservative lacking in passion for trying new things, new experiences….
      what a shame their lives are so small

    • fairsfair says:

      09:39am | 15/09/10

      Subject matter himself has written in. Thanks for your input, but you seemed to have skimmed over a couple of the major points of the article champ.

    • Shivo says:

      10:00am | 15/09/10

      Hills Man - how stereotypical are your comments !  Why should the bushies pay for urban infrastructure when they have tank water !  Could go on forever but that is not what the article is about. We live where we live for whatever reasons. It is about all of us rethinking our priorities and trying to better understand the other sides argument. Both sides are valid and until we respect each others views, we will never have a satisfactory outcome.

    • Skippy says:

      10:05am | 15/09/10

      As a country girl I agree with you in part, but careful hills man, when you criticize the level of individual education in the bush. I for one have toiled away like many to educate myself with a degree (and working now on a Masters) and work for an organisation where the level of education is one and the same, and we are all ‘bushies’. I think you may be pleasantly suprised that the vast majority in the country are not red necks either, and challenge past practice and readily implement new technologies. It would seem to me from your stereotyping and misguided comments that it is you that is lacking in the education stakes!

    • Doug Graves says:

      08:32am | 15/09/10

      This land is your land,this land is my land from the apple island to the gulfstream waters,to the jarrah forests this land was made for you an, me.Dont divide us by bush and city, united we stand,divided we fall. This is why the Indies have risen to redress the citycentric governance.

    • Bruce Dobie says:

      08:50am | 15/09/10

      Jane Worthington is corect. The vast majority of country dwellers don’t own acreages, wear big hats or breed sheep or cattle. I grew up in a medium sized town and on the weekend played golf with the whole range of professionals and tradies and a few farmers. I had a go in Sydney but looked for better life after 10 years and have never returned because A) we didn’t want to and B) we couldn’t afford to. Country life I think is healthier, certainly less stressful and its easier to be part of a smaller group than a city group.
      Our main problem goes to the heart of the citycentric governments which decide we no longer need rail services and whatever else may save it money. Hence the gripes from the bushies.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:03am | 15/09/10

      At last , a common sense statement. Most bush people are indeed townies, who live very similar life to suburban folk.
      Forget this non sense about martyr farmers providing food for ungratefu city slickers- farmers grow a crop ,because it pays, ,not out of some socialist ideal of feeding the masses.
      As for lack of GPs etc- that has more to do with the greed of the doctors.
      Buckets of money, air fares , accomadation etc still isnt enough for some of them.

    • nosthow says:

      09:16am | 15/09/10

      Well said jane however the Liberal Party clearly dont have a clue when it comes to country folk - they have just appointed their best Internet expert Malcolm “Grechy” Turnbull to slap down the NBN ! The NBN will be gold for regional Australia and now we see the duds in the Liberal party opposing it. Shame Coalition shame !

    • MarK says:

      10:04am | 15/09/10

      How will it will be gold nosthow?

      Please explain the business case for the NBN?

      Please show how it will positively effect rural growth?

      Go on. Put some actual numbers to the benefits. Let me see the cost of this new found “stuff” I will be getting.

    • Nicole says:

      10:20am | 15/09/10

      And so he should ‘slap down’ this absolute waste of money. I think 43 billion dollars could be better spent on more pressing things. I don’t know, something like our disgraceful health system perhaps? Labor couldn’t run a chook raffle and they’re way out of their depth here. You watch 43 billion double.

    • Mike T says:

      10:36am | 15/09/10

      You can agree or disagree with the porportion of funds going between the city and the country, however, rarely do i hear any complaints comming from the country folk around the lack of “Internet speed in the country”..... the compalints come around price of food, health care etc.

      Maybe the 43 Billion would be better suited in other areas (both city and country)??? do you really think that the counrty is in such great shape, in terms of the esentails, that we can pump this amount into broadening our internet reach/speed.

      The people arguing against the NBN are not doing so because they think it is a horrible idea, they are doing so becasue of the opportunity cost that it presents, they are doing so becasue they think that the money could be better spent on health, roads, infrastructure…..

    • Adele says:

      09:24am | 15/09/10

      hills man: what a shame your brain is so small.

    • wizard says:

      06:41pm | 15/09/10

      seeing the majority of food is produced in the bush we should start charging you city folk a bit more for it and while we are at it put a border on the blue mountains and we will have our own state and then lets see who pays for what and where all the infrastructure goes !

    • Neil Varcoe says:

      09:36am | 15/09/10

      Hear hear!

      As a country boy grown up and living in the city I could not agree more with Jane.
      The majority of us do not live on sprawling country estates with tennis courts and town cars.

      We are ‘working families’ to borrow a beaten-to-death political slogan and face similar issues to our city friends.

      Thanks for pointing out the similarities and bit the differences!

    • fairsfair says:

      10:13am | 15/09/10

      Thanks Jane, that was well articulated and I think you have been able to effectively put into words what a lot of people have been unsuccessfully trying to say for quite sometime. Without blame of accusation. I too have lived on both sides and though harder to live in regional Australia I have returned because it offers me a lifestyle that I prefer. That is my choice - but it does not mean that I have to sit idly by and watch it disappear. I appreciate that it is not for everyone and I also appreciate that a lot of people would choose to be somewhere else - and I am sure the same applies for city dwellers seeking to live in the country.

      The fact of the matter is, there is wage disparity, cost of living dispartity and service dispartity - All of which ad up to life being a bit harder in the bush. I appreciate that the cities have their stuggles in that there is over population and insufficient services also - but I wish people could see past the immediate and on to the bigger picture.

      Regional Australia is crying out for people. If governements spent a bit of money in our regions - created some jobs and maybe even decentralised public service roles outside of the capitals - we could take some people off your hands. It would make our quality of life better (we would have higher populations so there would be more price competition and we could demand a functioning hospital) and also cities better - free up existing infrastructure.

      I live in a cane farming town and yes - there are a lot of farmers who cry poverty because they didn’t get to upgrade to the newest Cruiser Ute this season - but they are only a small percentage of my town’s population. They are the simply comparable to the rich suburbs of any city - they DO NOT represent the majority. Those who don’t have the good fortune to have inherited a large viable farm from their parents are the ones who have to travel over 50km to work each day because there are no jobs. This is happening on larger scales all over Australia and my greatest fear is that we will reach a point where it is just not viable for average Aussies to live in regional Australia and more and more of us will converge on the cities. We will ALL be up sh*ts creek then - so why not work together to fix this - it will benefit everyone.

    • Brian says:

      10:17am | 15/09/10

      For some reason politicians don’t seem to see any future in the bush. They keep adopting policies which cram more and more people into the coastal cities which requires more and more of the country-produced wealth to provide the infrastructure.
      While this attitude to the bush continues, it is very hazardous to move from the comfy coast to get a job in a country town.
      In Queensland Labor Governments closed down country schools, railway lines, courthouses and some government offices and the latest amalgamation of local authorities into regional council areas is threatening more small country towns as the regional council centralises its activites.
      I feel sorry for the people in these small country towns who are forced to move out because they can no longer make a living. Alternative job simply don’t exist, homes they paid a fair bit of money for keep dropping in value and they have no choice but to move to the coast with almost nothing.
      I was fortunate almost 40 years ago to move from the city to a country town which is a major centre, even though it hasn’t a great population. Less than 5% of our population are “cockies”, the other 95% are ordinary workers. Of course they could move to the coast, too. Then where would the revenue come from to service the import of luxury goods for city people?

    • Michael K says:

      10:23am | 15/09/10

      This article would be benefitted greatly by a survey of the history of the city / country divide. A great place to start quantifying the debate is Don Aitikin’s work on “countrymindedness.” Aitikin posits that rural Australia has had difficultly surrendering the “noble bushman” ideal that was popularised by bush ranger tales and most notably, the Anzac and Gallipoli myth. In opposition to the ennobling qualities of pastural pursuits is the “cancerous” city regions that breed social and political discontent, unionism and more importantly, drain money from rural services. The ideology of countrymindedness contributed to the separatist New England Movement and to lesser-known crypto-fascist organisations like to the Thomas Blamey-led “The Association.” And although countrymindednes may not have the relevance now that it did 50 years ago, the current debate that has been given fresh light by the political manoeuvrings of Katter, Oakeshott and Windsor has its roots in this history.

      Thus, the grudge match between the city and the country has been raging for at least a century. It isn’t going to be easy to “get over,” as the author so readily suggests. Rural people have always felt that the pastural industries and mining have been the backbone of the Australian economy (and they’d be right to think so). Yet, despite their huge contribution to the nation’s economy, there is a feeling of not getting their fair share of government funds or private investment. At least when it comes to the disgraceful prices the Woolworths and Coles supermarket duopoly pays for produce at the farmgate, country voters are right; they should be cynical of how much money is spent in regional Australia. Until Labor demonstrates a clear willingness to, as Doug Graves so wisely commented, “redress the citycentric governance,” then rural voters are going to continue crying poor and city dwellers are going to decry them for it.

    • Duff says:

      10:24am | 15/09/10

      It is far, far more expensive for us to provide the same level of services and facilities to the 15% of the population who live spread out across the country as it is to provide services to the 85% who live crammed together in about 1% of the landspace.  That is the issue. 

      The answer, in my opinion, is to put our emphasis on developing the smaller cities and regional centres so that we spread the wealth but still get economies of scale.  At the same time this would encourage people away from the already overcrowded and sprawling Sydney and Melbourne areas and people from rural communities would benefit from the consequent growth and investment in their regional centres.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:24am | 15/09/10

      Congrats Duff. In the same vein as another article on today’s punch this is “regional word porn”.

      This is what regional Australia has been crying for for a very long time. This is what I thought a Hung Parliament would expose. It did not. It was a missed opportunity for the bush and only one of the regional independents stood for it - note he did not back the winning horse.

      100 megabits of internet speed would be great - but we’d settle for simple access at the moment and rather the surplus funding of the $43b set aside for the NBN be invested in as you say - developing smaller cities.  Country people appreciate that we can’t have a light rail system and frankly people choose to live in the country to get away from that lifestyle. But I don’t think it is too much to ask to have a functioning hospital when you make a positive contribution to the national economy?

    • Duff says:

      12:29pm | 15/09/10

      @Fairsfair - I admit I am unsure of the NBN as the best plan of action on this basis.  However I also admit that I am not sure i’ve learned enough about it to make an informed opinion.  I can see enormous eventual benefits from it.  But i too wonder whether it is the best use of money at this time.  I’m sure the coming days will provide a great deal of debate on it which will hopefully be informative rather than provocative.

    • antman says:

      01:54pm | 16/09/10

      The popint that everyone keeps failing to understand is that the NBN is not funded out of the budget; it is funded out of borrowings to be repaid from the proceeds of the eventual sale of the network. Health, roads and other recurrent funding are unaffected as they, generally, do not produce saleable assets and are, in theory, funded out of the budget.

      I’ll spell it out in a different way, just to make sure that it’s understood: there is no $43b set aside for the NBN that could be spent elsewhere. The sale of the network will significantly reduce the real cost of the NBN.

      Before the rabid right-wingers start howling that there is no business case and that the eventual sale will bring in less than the cost of building the NBN (and capitalised interest costs), in my view, that misses the point. The Government is not a private business, its aim is not to generate a profit in everything it does. It is building the NBN because private business will not; because the benefits are to the nation (and its economy) as a whole and not to the builder of the NBN. That’s why a business case is unnecessary and, in reality, inappropriate (that’s even leaving aside that the Government is not a business and shouldn’t operate as one). This is one of the things that governments do, especially in large, sparsely populated countries like Australia - pick up the slack where private sector provided services are not up to the job.

      Nation-building costs money and it is not, in the short-term or in narrowly measured terms (such as a business case), profitable.

    • Clive Palmer says:

      11:30am | 15/09/10

      Dig it up and sell it. Yes, all of it.

    • antman says:

      01:58pm | 16/09/10

      Because you need to buy an extra-wide-bodied private jet?

    • howy says:

      11:35am | 15/09/10

      The only reason people live in major cities is to be close to jobs. But, in the next 20 years advances in internet technology like the NBN will mean people can do almost any job from home. Therefore, workers will be able to live anywhere in the country that has electricity or satellite coverage - you could live in a tent in the Wolgon Valley or be touring the country in an RV and at the same time be an executive at the NAB if you like. This will save money on public transport (new train carriages and lines), pollution control (no cars), and companies won’t have to rent office space anymore as well. Bosses would obviously monitor their workers logs to make sure no one’s unproductive and they’d have meetings over webcam.

      So, in 20 years the divide will be between those who have internet based jobs and those who still make or repair things. The city-country divide will disappear thanks to the internet.

    • Duff says:

      12:44pm | 15/09/10

      @howy, this same argument was made when I was at University (pre-mobile phone era).  It’s a red herring.  We all thought we’d be working on a beach somewhere by now, while we made our millions.  How wrong we were.  Work, except at it’s most basic level, is about people.  You have to be available to people.  Instead of parking us on a beach somewhere, increased communication technology has only made us more accessible and increased our exposure to clients and colleagues.  You have no choice if you want to stay competitive.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:59pm | 15/09/10

      Howy, I have never looked at the NBN from that perspective and I can see that it has merit for a lot of people. I am not so ignorant to simply brush it off without listening to debate, but I worry about the social impacts that it will have when we become hermits who never leave home and as you say, it simply replaces one divide with another. I also worry about the cost. The fact the cost is likely to increase from the touted $43b and while I think it good to jump the webcam and see the doctor from home for my flu at this present time, that is just not feasible. The issue is still present in that if I get sick, and I mean really sick with for example cancer - I have to move out of my house for the period of my treatment because the nearest hospital with the required services is either TSV >400km or BNE >1800km. I just think that there are a lot of other issues that need to be ironed out before we invest to heavily in something that may not be needed for a very very long time. Weren’t we also supposed to be in flying cars in the year 2000 at the same time Y2K was supposed to ruin the world? I don’t mean to be cynical or negative toward technology - I acknowledge that it is the future, but everyone has to crawl before we can run.

    • iansand says:

      06:06pm | 15/09/10

      I had lunch in China with an American a couple of days ago.  He ran an IT consultancy based (in the sense of his client base) in the US, but lived in China.  I was up there for a week or so.  When I go into the office tomorrow there will be no backlog of emails to deal with, nor will I have a stack of phone messages.  All emails dealt with, and phone calls Skyped.

      It’s a big world out there, but it’s getting a heck of a lot smaller.  The problem is that it will only shrink for people with high speed connections.

    • antman says:

      02:03pm | 16/09/10

      howy, it’s also the opportunities that the NBN will provide for the decentralisation of much of the public service and many other administrative/clerical jobs that could be carried out in regional offices once data can be quickly and cheaply transmitted all accross the country much as it is done now within offices.

    • howy says:

      01:53pm | 15/09/10

      There’s just too many financial benefits for everyone in working from home. And clients will actually have cheaper and instant access to your company if you use skype and a webcam than how its done now.

      People would be amongst their local communities all the time, so socially it’d be a lot better as well.

      And small business start ups, and thus employment, would boom because entreperneurs won’t be risking bankruptcy due to the crippling initial costs.

    • Duff says:

      03:06pm | 15/09/10

      Howy, here’s a thought puzzle: You are up for promotion but so is another guy at your office.  You work from home and rarely see your boss in person (although you talk to him on skype and email).  Your competitor, however, sees him all the time, has beers with him and goes to lunch with him.  Who’s going to get the promotion?

    • howy says:

      04:26pm | 15/09/10

      If he’s willing to put up with the traffic, pollution, crowds and the disconnectedness of the city, he can have the promotion.

      No one will be forced to work from a home office anyway, but people will have a choice.

    • Rural Rita says:

      03:00pm | 15/09/10

      hmmm, no trains (only freight), no buses (except schoolies) no taxis, a run down Hospital, greedy doctors. Why would I want to live in the city? I am Sydney born and raised, but I have come to love the country life. Doesn’t help our own Council forget about us also. Population <2000 add the Government closing facilities and makes me wonder why I’m here. Lower pay. I discovered I could work in a bakery for the same pay I received as a Techie Assistant up here, $17-00 an hour or there abouts, I was earning $25-00 an hour 14 years ago!  I took the bakery job, no responsibility other then ensuring the pies are hot.
      Decentralize people!

    • Ryan says:

      04:46pm | 15/09/10

      the argument that government services are needed is true. However in terms of getting people living in the bush, it is redundant. The problem is that lots of people living in the bush are either raising families or retirees. Look at the demographics 15-30 year olds are lacking. These people (including myself) are leaving the country in droves. We dont need government services as much as other groups. And those government services will not attract/retain us. So how does rural and regional australia attract and retain its younger population? Who ever has the answer to that will have the key to creating vitality in the bush.

    • Tori says:

      08:17pm | 15/09/10

      I live in a “regional” town.  Less than two hours from a major domestic and international airport.  We have a half an acre in town with a large house, we have normal city type jobs, IT manager and insurance manager, on a decent enough wage.  One year of our child’s school fees = one term of the sister school in the city.  But despite being close to the big city, we still lack some vital medical equipment.  Many people have to travel for specialist care, our roads are a disgrace.  I grew up in the city, though still travel there for certain things, I will never go back,  the schooling, the good jobs, the house on the fringe of the CBD, keeps us here in “the country”.  There is a lack of skilled people even in a city the size of my “regional” home town.  This weekend take a drive to the closest “regional” centre, you will be surprised by what it offers, and what it lacks. The government does need to support both country and city,  each on what they need though.  My town - roads and hospital equipment, smaller towns - skilled workers, hospitals, etc.  Support both I say.

    • Jade says:

      08:34pm | 15/09/10

      One of the main reasons that many city people like myself, who chose to move to the country and forgo all the services that the city provides return to the city very quickly has less to do with how hard life is and much more to do with how they are treated by the country folk who live in rural and regional Australia.

      I ended up returning to the city because I got sick and tired of being stared at for the way I chose to dress (I wore high heels and modern business dress, instead of RM Williams cowboy boots and jeans), the music that I listened to at home, and the hobbies I had. I was frequently told by the entire town I lived in that it was not the town that should change, but me that needed to accept the town. I attended every event, got involved with the girl guides and other groups and did everything I could to fit in. I wasn’t aware that my desire to dress the way I chose, the music I chose to listen to, and the fact that I didn’t necessarily like every activity I tried meant that I deserved to be shunned and ignored, and have rumours about my sexuality, my sexual behaviour and everything else spread about me.

      I found the 18 months I spent in the country far more isolating and lonely than I have ever found the city, and I suspect those who have been raised in the city, and who have open-minded, accepting, independent natures find the same and therefore choose to return to the more accepting city.

    • James Tombo says:

      10:34pm | 15/09/10

      oh yeah, and after that, can we sort out why Melbourne and Sydney hate each other?

    • Fiona Marsden says:

      11:13pm | 15/09/10

      My rural disability organisation was mentioned by Senator Fiona Nash at a Senates estimates hearing as one desperate for funding to replace our old white ant ridden building.  Senator Conroy suggested that our organisation would naturally be interested in the NBN.  We would actually prefer a decent building before we would be worried about faster broadband than the ADSL we currently have.

    • Tim says:

      12:11am | 16/09/10

      Ummm Mike T. Just for some perspective.

      “BYRON Shire residents may live in one of the most sought after real estate spots in Australia, but they are also surviving on some of the lowest incomes in the State.

      But while Byron workers are doing it tough, the rest of the Northern Rivers’ local government areas (LGA) are not much better off, falling about $10,000 below the national average wage and salary income of $46,480.

      Recent figures released by the Australia Bureau of Statistics show wage and salary earners in the Byron LGA earn an average wage and salary income of $30,892 – the lowest in the region and sixth-lowest in NSW.:

      .....‘Further south and Sydneysiders are living it up, with the wealthy area of Mosman topping the ABS statistics with an average wage and salary income of $109,491.’

    • Lucee says:

      12:57am | 16/09/10

      Don’t tell us - tell the politicians who sprouted this nonsense during the 17 days it too them to decide who to cast their vote with.

    • Molly Daveson says:

      01:27am | 16/09/10

      Nowhere in this argument is it mentioned that mine workers are flown in from the Coastal towns because there is no accommodation for them at the mining sites. Away from their families for up to 10 days at a time. Reported results of this alone are increased suicides and depression among mining families. The other issue is just above is a country teeming with millions of people who would be happy to fill the wide open spaces if our Governments continue on being too stupid to build satellite cities around the mines. This will provide closer hospital and schooling facilities for those in the bush.

    • Jade says:

      08:41am | 16/09/10

      Most of the major issues for those in the bush with regard to schools appears to be snobbery. Many, many parents in the town refused to send their children to the well-resourced high school in the town I lived in, because they preferred to send their child to the elite private boarding schools in the city. There were always several vacant classrooms in the school, and one of the lowest teacher-student ratios I’ve encountered.

      I also take issue with the idea that property parents live too far away from the town for their children to attend the local school. 45 minutes to an hour is simply not a big deal to drive to be perfectly honest. Or for high school children to sit on a bus. I taught city children who thought nothing of making the trek from the Gold Coast to Brisbane State High School every day. Country people need to get over their snobbish attitudes towards state education and start using the services in their town.

    • michelle says:

      08:36am | 16/09/10

      Its time for a new party they stink ,the lies deception is unbelievable and Fabian Socialism is the tyranny against every free country always has been , the tra party in USA is sweeping them away and we will be starting here ,enough is enough.

 

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