Against my better judgment I turned on the rugby union on Saturday night to see the Wallabies vs the All Blacks, traditionally the biggest game on the Australian rah rah calendar.

It was probably at about the time of the fourth penalty for lying on the ball, or wrong side of the ruck or possibly, being rugby, driving the wrong make of luxury 4WD, that the remote finger got awfully itchy.

Soon I was simultaneously keeping up with the cricket, the silly science fiction movie on Channel 10 and Gordon Bray’s running commentary on how that wasn’t really a penalty under law 543, sub section b of the improperly binding to a maul code.

Perhaps it no longer has the gall, but rugby used to style itself as the running game.

In the “big lie” school of truth inversion that’s pretty well up there with North Korea styling itself as the Democratic People’s Republic or terms like “fun run”.

There may be some running at the lower levels of rugby, but who would know? The only people who watch that are the players’ relatives and the suburban oval groundsmen waiting to turn the sprinklers back on.

At the pinnacle of the sport it is kick, kick and kick some more.

So much so that former Wallaby and longtime rugby apologist Peter FitzSimons felt compelled to make a frontpage plea for a bit of non-boot related play in Saturday’s Sydney Morning Herald.

Under the headline “Let’s give kicking the boot”, FitzSimons wrote: “We’ve had a gutful of watching marathon kick-fests.”

He suggested the Wallabies and All Blacks make a pact to run the ball for the sake of long-suffering spectators.

So how was Saturday’s match decided? No prizes for guessing, by a late penalty kick.

It was a just result because it gave New Zealand, the only team to score an actual try, if rugby fans remember what that is, the win.

All Australia’s points came from penalty kicks.

And the man of the match?

Clearly, and as normal, the referee, despite absent-mindedly occasionally allowing whole three-minute stretches of play before raising his arm and letting the whistle shriek.

Luckily if you wanted to see some actual running of the ball by professional athletes you could have got your fill on Friday night.

In the NRL match between Wests Tigers and Parramatta there was a scintillating display of all the running rugby skills.

The teams scored four tries apiece. These involved elusive and powerful running, brilliant blink-of-an-eye passing dummies and flick passes, impossible offloads, wide sweeping backline play and an audacious chip and regather to give the mach its final extraordinary exclamation mark.

A look at the stats for the two games shows that the combined number of runs and metres gained on foot by both the combatant union sides doesn’t add up to total of either the league sides. (Links at the foot of this article.)

Alright fair enough, rugby in Australia is not so much a sport but a social marker of having paid a lot to go to school.

Certainly that would seem to be the only way to understand its audience because if you prefer kicking, Australia has other codes to accommodate that.

There is the AFL, which admittedly is not much of a game, more a sort of rolling riot at a children’s party over the last piece of cake.

However at least, in the vein of Tibetan kite duelling, it serves as an exotic novelty spectacle for the less exciting Australian states when the shops shut for the week at 3pm on a Wednesday.

Of course, if you really like kicking, there’s always soccer.

Or to call it by the poncy European affectation its coiffure blow-dried fans tend to demand, football.

It’s football, they will explain in the exasperated tone of a kindergarten teacher again pointing out that crayons are not food, because its played with the feet, you see, except for goalkeepers, throw-ins and Maradona World Cup goals.

Anyway if FitzSimons really does want to see a game played at a professional level where athletes pick up a ball, run and pass it, he shouldn’t bother watching union Tests.

Instead he should tune in every week to watch the more evolved form of rugby union, rugby league, the real running game.

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    • RT says:

      03:22pm | 24/08/09

      Spot on.  A rugby game of either code should be decided on tries, not penalty goals. In the NRL most teams don’t event try for penalty goals anymore, preferring instead to use possession to attack the tryline.  I guess there is nothing wrong with Union that a few rule changes couldn’t fix.  Simplify scrums, get rid of ugly rucks - hang on - they’e already done it - and they call it League.

    • stephen says:

      03:33pm | 24/08/09

      Yeah, Union’s a bit of rally ‘round the flag boys’. Too much metaphor there for me. League’s the game, but I wish the lads’d behave themselves with the lassies.
      The AFL boys got no trouble there : they ain’t got enough…uh.hum…‘ticker’.

    • GAB says:

      03:52pm | 24/08/09

      Bit of a biased article that devalues your argument, however, league can use all the help it can get so I understand your reason for writing it.  Unfortunately I couldn’t help smiling to myself when I read your reference to the soft soccer sycophants.

    • Stumped says:

      03:54pm | 24/08/09

      If you want to see them take all of the kicking out of the game - just add a little lead weight inside the ball, on one side so that it loses it’s symmetry. Let’s see them kick that ball accurately over 45m!

      I should point out that you had the opportunity to flick across to the Ashes on SBS (but I think you made the right choice by pretending that it wasn’t happening).

    • Kelly says:

      03:54pm | 24/08/09

      Anyone who watched Friday night’s Tigers v Eels, with some of the most skillful, incredibly athletic tries you’ll ever see, then tuned into the kickathon, fumble borefest on Saturday night, will be left with no doubt of the more exciting code.
      There are oz tag & touch football teams all over this country who can construct a try 1000 times better than the wallabies!!!

    • barry says:

      04:21pm | 24/08/09

      have to agree as a long standing player and supporter of both codes.  friday fantastic…Saturday frustrating and dull.  If league can get its act together off the field it’ll be all over.

    • Saints supporter says:

      04:32pm | 24/08/09

      At last some insightful commentary on rugby union and it’s current woeful state as a spectacle and sport.  Losing the Ashes, the League World Cup and poor tennis performances, perhaps the Socceroos are the only real Australian sporting team we should support.

    • Ned says:

      04:58pm | 24/08/09

      I’m also a long-standing supporter of both codes with a bias toward union. I don’t suppose this is the time to suggest reducing the value of a penalty goal to two points and the drop goal to one or two? No, I thought not. I can already hear the shrieks of protest from South Africa and the UK.

    • this isn't south sydney says:

      05:49pm | 24/08/09

      “Or to call it by the poncy European affectation its coiffure blow-dried fans tend to demand, football.”

      Isn’t russell crowe an NRL fan? I would say he blow dries his hair. Sometimes he even sports a pony tail. I dont think it gets poncier than that…

    • davido says:

      06:51pm | 24/08/09

      Hahahaha… youre right - bring back running or UNION will die.

    • S.L says:

      07:02pm | 24/08/09

      Ned you are spot on! League devalued a field goal from 2 points to 1 in the 60s to combat the brilliant souths fullback Eric Simms. But in league as well as rah rah when a game is bad it is baaaad!!!!! I’ve seen many a league game where the NRL owes me 80 minutes of my life back…......

    • Stephen says:

      08:27pm | 24/08/09

      Rugby League may be winning the battle of the rugby codes despite the current stream of bad publicity created by the poor off-field behaviour of players that can only reflect negatively with supporters and sponsors but I fear that in time they will struggle with the increasing popularity of Soccer that is supposed fastest growing sport in Australia with a far more female and family friendly culture and far better behaviour by players that reflect positively for sponsors and potential and future sports fans. Let’s hope there is enough room in the market to keep all codes viable as variety is the spice of life.

    • Ronald McDonald says:

      10:51pm | 24/08/09

      NRL has to be the least skilled game in the world, you hold a ball and run with it,  thats pretty hard! Its a game invented to keep the bogans of Sydney and Brisbane occupied. Basically its aimed at stopping the bogan population from committing to much crime and filling our hospitals with alcohol and cigarette related illnesses. ie it keeps the rednecks busy.

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      10:54pm | 24/08/09

      Who cares about rugby anyway? Jog forward, throw the ball backward, jog forward, throw the ball backward… you get it. Anybody who wants to watch a fast paced, athletic, high skilled game knows there is only one answer - Australian Football. And don’t the fans know it. There were more than 7 million people who attended AFL games in 2008 while a mere 3.2 million bothered to turn up to watch rugby league and rugby union crowds are so tiny that they’re not even worth mentioning (however A-league game averages of 12,000 are set to overtake league’s average of 15,000 very soon). And if the author of this article is serious about wanting to watch a real running game of football, he knows what to do. AFL footballers can sprint and bounce the footy at the same time while rugby players amble, stop and chuck the ball backwards. So, argue all you like about league vs union - the majority of Australians have no interest in either game.

    • Munt from Mosman says:

      11:03pm | 24/08/09

      I have two suggestions for the author, to cure his misguided and undefendable views on the merits or otherwise of League and Union:

      Go and watch the great running play of the mighty ACT Brumbies at their next home game in Canberra. And for good measure: watch a continuous replay of every game at the last Rugby League World Cup.

    • James says:

      12:32am | 25/08/09

      League is definitely winning the battle for Western Sydney and Queensland. Everywhere else in the world, Rugby wins. Fact!

    • Ricky Y of the Goldie says:

      04:22am | 25/08/09

      Your comment: I think you either” get” rugby or you don’t. I can’t watch League, so predictable, and a poor League game is excrutiating. AFL is peculiarly Melbourne, but the crux of the matter, which rightfully so, few will go to in any depth, is that it’s all a class/ school/  thing.

    • RT says:

      06:57am | 25/08/09

      ‘So, argue all you like about league vs union - the majority of Australians have no interest in either game.’ Davo - at least they have heard of rugby in some overseas countries and it’s possible to play it at international level. Go back to your parochial southern Australian game, it will never spread.

    • Richard says:

      09:12am | 25/08/09

      An argument between supporters of Mobile Wrestling (Rugby Loigue, as they call it in NSW and Quoinsland) and Sniff and Run (Rugby Union - that scrum thing could only be invented in an English Public School, couldn’t it?) is like watching a dinosaur fight - interesting, but irrelevant to the modern world.  It is ironical that the author here makes fun of the only code which, depite the hysterical claims of soccer supporters, is consistently thriving, growing and expanding:  Australian Football.  Compared to the tedious repetition of League and the referee dominated, technical whistle-fest of Union, Australian Football is an expansive, athletic, pulsating, end-to end, unltimate contest which is being enjoyed by more and more people every year.  Frankly, the rugby codes are gradually becoming extinct as all slow moving species unable to adapt to the modern world do.  Soccer supporters constantly tell that we must turn to soccer (zzzz - sorry dropped off there for a moment at the mention of soccer) because it is the “world game”, but, on the contrary, I think we should celebrate the fact that the most thriving sport in Australia is not only a thrilling spectacle but a totally indigenous invention - it is all ours.

    • ED says:

      09:25am | 25/08/09

      “Alright fair enough, rugby in Australia is not so much a sport but a social marker of having paid a lot to go to school. “

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • Darren Horrigan says:

      09:25am | 25/08/09

      Just for a moment, forget that it’s rugby, NRL, AFL or football. Forget that it’s your favourite winter code or someone else’s. Forget all the behind the scenes and the off-the-field incidents. And think about this…

      I was at the Wallabies v All Blacks match on Saturday and I can’t remember watching a more INEPT 40 minutes of sport. The Kiwis next to me felt the same. Both teams were terrible.

      Yes, a whistle-happy referee who likes the sound of his own voice and his image on the screen strictly enforcing a complicated rule book didn’t help. But it wasn’t the problem. It was just lousy sport. And this is meant to be the pinnacle of rugby? I paid $114 for that?

      Passes at the feet or around the ears; dropped ball; mis-directed kicks; silly cheating and even players accidentally running into each other - these were the REASONS for the stop start play. What do the players do all week at practice? I want my money back thanks!

      Compare this rubbish to game 3 in this year’s State of Origin league. Or game 1 or game 2 for that matter. Or the Geelong v St Kilda match; or any other sport anywhere in the world where the two combatants know what they’re doing and perform it well.

      Catching the train home on Saturday I stood next to two blokes who had travelled to Sydney from a big cattle station in the NT to watch the match. Each year, they splurge on a week-long trip to a big sporting event somewhere in Australia. It was the first game of rugby they’d ever seen live. And they said it would be their last.

      “If that’s big time rugby, you can have it mate,” one of them said.

      “We’re goin’ to The Cross now to get pissed”.

    • ryan says:

      10:34am | 25/08/09

      RT - you clearly didn’t read Davo’s post properly…you finished by saying ‘it will never spread’ - ummmmm, it already has!  the stats about crowd attendances etc are clear proof that afl is more popular. 

      not only that, there are afl teams in more states in aust than league, and while some league clubs (most, in fact) are struggling to stay alive, the afl continues to expand - a new team on the gold coast, a new one planned for western sydney. 

      yes, it might have started as a ‘parochial southern game’ - but the rest of the nation has obviously embraced it and continues to support it in droves!  you, my friend, don’t have a leg to stand on…

    • Arnold Layne says:

      11:03am | 25/08/09

      You nailed it with the comment about rugby being about having paid a lot to go to school.  That Test match, like so many others, was dead boring.  I’m not really a fan of either rugby code but League has it all over Union for the quality of entertainment on disply.  Yes the code has some major issues with its players, supporters and administrators but, objectively, it’s a far more entertaining game.

      So many Australian sports fans are all about “my code’s great, yours is sh*t” but if you try to be objective, you get to see some wonderful ‘football’ no matter whether you watch the AFL, NRL or A-League. Leaving the rugby codes aside, if you couldn’t watch the Geelong v St Kilda match or the Melbourne Victory v Brisbane Roar match without being absorbed by the quality & intensity of what was unfolding then you’ve missed out.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      11:34am | 25/08/09

      Davo from St Kilda you forgot to mention that in 2008 Aussie Rules was the very FIRST sport’s code to play in EVERY state AND territory. It was still able to achieve INCREASED attendances even though it played in SMALLER stadiums.

      For those of you that live in Sydney, go out to Blacktown and have a look at the first class AFL ground (which also includes a training / warm up ground) that was recently completed which seats 10k. The ground surface it rated higher than the SCG and the facilities first class. I’m not a fan of the Olympic stadium but the ALF did make an offer to buy it from the State Government. Having failed buying the ground, have a look at who has the controlling interest in ANZ stadium. I wonder if the ARU or ARL could jointly make an offer – or afford to buy. Yup!!

      Unfortunately even die hard Union supporters walked out of last Saturdays game – a friend of mine who attended the boring game said that a group of supported threw their scarfs and jumpers away in disgust and vowed never to return.  As far as league is concerned, you can’t conduct an intelligent conversation there – at least you can with the Union boys. Oh well, I’m happy to stay with the true Australian game.

    • FJ says:

      12:29pm | 25/08/09

      Clive, nobody in Sydney is interested in the Victorian game. 58,000 watching the Swans play on TV reflects that.

    • Brendan Cox says:

      12:38pm | 25/08/09

      Im surprised that a number of AFL supporters need to defend the sport by boasting about where it stands in our country. It appears as though you are insecure and particularly arrogance, considering its recent success.
      I don’t think the AFL will have a big impact into the new cities it’s proposing to join. The AFL in recent years might be enjoying success but its rate of uptake around the nation will be very hard to maintain, considering it is now entering markets where it’s not the local sport.
      The hardest thing to do will be convince everybody that one sport(AFL) is the only sport Australians should support, the more that its gets shoved down my through the more I will fight it.

    • Nick Pappas says:

      12:51pm | 25/08/09

      This is the best article I have read in ages. Its great that people finally see Rugby for what it is….....absolute rubbish! I watched the Hakka and then changed the channel. And what’s with the Wanna-be’s players wearing their tracksuits on to the field? If it’s too cold for them maybe they should go back and sit in the dressing rooms. Of course you get the same old arguement from Rugby followers about it being played in more countries than League which means nothing becuase that doesn’t make it a better sport. It just means that it was spread by English settlers a long time ago. That is all it means! As for League being more predictable than Rugby, please Ricky, give me a break. You can not be serious about that? Catch, kick, catch, kick, run, fall, cuddle, penalty. That’s what 80 mins of Rugby consists of. Face the truth, League is a superior sport with superior athletes.

    • Tim says:

      12:55pm | 25/08/09

      Sadly both yourself and Fitzy are completely right about the unfortunate state of the modern game. It was only a matter of time since the removal of rucking as a legitimate tactic to retrieve the ball that the game would denigrate to the kickfest seen on the weekend. That being said while rugby may have lost claim to the “running game” title, is league’s domination of the “running into a wall game” really any better? While union may not be as free flowing as it used to be, the game on the whole, for my money (and being an eastern suburbs private school alumni amounts to more than most), still allows for more exciting moments, bigger hits and better tactical gameplay than league’s “stop start, stop start, stop start, ‘oh look he made it through the wall’, stop start, kick, give it to the other team and repeat” monotonous simple-enough-for-your-average-meathead-to-comprehend formula will ever be able to muster. I mean come-on, it’s blatantly obvious the introduction of the 40-20 rule was the NRL trying to break this ridiculous formula by making the game a little more like union… Ultimately the ‘which code is better argument is far too subjective to ever be resolved, though surely if there’s a quantifiable measurement of how exciting a game is it’s how many people are willing to pay to see it? Attendance at Saturday’s agreeably dull game was nigh on 80,000 while the last comparable league game (World cup group A match last year at the SFS) offered only enough excitement for 34,571 attendees.

      I’m probably wrong on the excitement bringing the crowds thing though, and you know the more I think about it League may well be more exciting, what is unfortunate for such an exciting game however is that there’s only 34,571 ‘leaguies’ in Sydney who can afford the ticket price…

    • Max Emery says:

      01:17pm | 25/08/09

      lol Tim.

      Smell the hate. Rugby Union is on its last legs in the country you call home and it’s killing you. 512k watched in the OZTAM 5 cities, less than watched the NRL game the night before that. That 512k is for Union biggest game of the year, Rugby League’s best so far is over 2 million.

      If I were you, I’d start leaning the rules of AFL….

    • Jeremy says:

      01:29pm | 25/08/09

      The point that is missed here is that Rugby League doesn’t have the tactical or technical sophistication of Union. Defences are not that well organised and this is why the ball can be thrown with reckless abandon, resulting in a sport for those with the attention span of a 12 week old pup.

      It’s essentially a sport played by simple-minded blokes who don’t possess the brains to do anything but put their heads down and bums up. Nothing wrong with that in the context of Western Sydney or some hick town in the North of England, but it does explain why League has an extremely limited international profile.

    • Mommo says:

      02:09pm | 25/08/09

      Brendan Cox says:12:38pm | 25/08/09

      Right on.

      AFL supporters (and union supporters for that matter) are constantly ramming down league supporters throats how inferior league is.  If it is so inferior and lacks the wide appeal as you all argue, the game would have long gone out of existence.

      But, just look at Leagues TV ratings in its traditional markets…no other code comes close.  Really, AFL supporters, you’re deluding yourselves that your code is going to dominate.

      I went to the Eels v Tigers last friday, and the Bledisloe on last Saturday…i can tell you there were many dissatisfied fans at the Bledisloe from both sides of the ditch - as for the league, only the Tiger supporters were dissapointed…but only for the games result, not the game itself.

      Davo from St Kilda says:10:54pm | 24/08/09

      Seriously mate, if we’re going to start comparing AFL skill sets to League skill sets, we may as well include Ice Hockey or basketball into the analysis too.  The skills are mutually exclusive.  Would you really expect a Brendan Favola or Gary Ablett Jnr just to move into league and dominate proceedings - they’d be torn to shreds.  Vis a vis Jonathon Thurston playing center half forward…no chance.

      Carl Palmer says:11:34am | 25/08/09
      Might I mention cricket as the first sport played nationally.

      Sure go to the stadium at blacktown…do you know anyone from Blacktown and what their thoughts are?  They’re laughing.

    • Lenny J says:

      02:32pm | 25/08/09

      Is it just me or are many of the contibutors to this debate meatheads or just trying to make genuine bogans look good?

      Yes, the Union was a pretty poor show; yes the NRL Parra v Tigers was a brilliant game; yes, AFL is a great game to watch and play; yes, soccer is a great game to play but dead boring to watch…not enough scoring and reward for effort plus all of the prissy falling over. The world game is really a pretty boring spectacle, more’s the pity, it could be dramatically improved. Remove the offside rule and open up the game. It worked for hockey. Plus have other ways to score points, how about some reward for ‘attacking’ play ot points awarded for actual attacks on goal and not just closing the game down with boring defensive plays.

      One code is not ‘better’ than another, they are just different. Comparisons are always meangless. I love to watch most sports and let us forever have many different sports to play and watch. If the one you are watching is boring switch channels or walk out, even full contact chess can actually be exciting. Best wishes to all of you genuine bogans.

    • M Eggleton says:

      04:29pm | 25/08/09

      re:opening up the game by Lenny J - football has had the offside rule for years. its not going to be removed. And it doesnt need to be removed for the continued growth and love of the sport. As the standard of the a-league increases each year, more and more goals are scored. Look at the first few rounds this year - it took 12 games before the first (and only so far)scoreless game, and after 3 rounds, 41 goals had been scored. Thats an average of almost 3 per game. Compare that to the single try scored on the weekend (Australia vs NZ) in union, its hardly a boring game devoid of scoring. The point is, there is no need to open up the game for commercial reasons, as then you are losing the original purpose and point of the game. The aim of the game is to score goals, you shouldnt get points for ‘trying’ through an attacking play.

    • James Hughs says:

      05:18pm | 25/08/09

      It’s clear from watching both games that rugby league is by far the more tactical game of the two. In union the players lack the intelligence and tactical nouse to do much with the ball other than pick it up and run into the nearest pile of bodies or just kick it away. In rugby league the players have a huge array of options every time they get the ball so it demands quick thinking to choose the best option and great skill to execute that option. The upshot of this is that union is mostly a static, slow, dull sport whereas rugby league is a fast sport with players showing superb skills and great decision making.

    • charlie says:

      05:57pm | 25/08/09

      I love this line David: “In the “big lie” school of truth inversion that’s pretty well up there with North Korea styling itself as the Democratic People’s Republic or terms like “fun run”.”

      Of course the same could be said for the Rugby League “World Cup”.

      At the end of the day I’ve never understood why morons get so defensive about “their” code of football and denigrate the other codes. (I say “their” because they are obviously so skilled at the particular sport they support that they spend their weekends watching in the stands rather than competing on the field.)

      As to Rugby Union dying out as some here think might happen, the reality is that all those private school kiddies, their parents and the school’s old boys represent a substantial amount of the nation’s personal and corporate wealth so I doubt Union will struggle to continue as a going concern. Something that can not be said for a number of League clubs in Sydney.

    • Michael says:

      07:35pm | 25/08/09

      Davo from St Kilda, the majority of Australians as per the last census live in Queensland and NSW and apart from a few blow in southerners.. No one up here cares one bit about AFL.

    • Alex says:

      08:19pm | 25/08/09

      I like how fumbleball supporters call it the indigenous sport? Thats rubbish, it is a take off from gaelic football! League is the most popular sport in NSW and QLD! Which is more than 50% of the Australian population.

    • J says:

      09:26pm | 25/08/09

      Have to have a laugh at AFL fans who go on about “expansion” and “growth”. It’s taken 150 years for AFL to go up the Hum Hwy to Sydney and it still is the 4th code by a long way. But what can you expect of a sport when 60% of its fans live within a 100km of the MCG?

    • SB says:

      11:13pm | 25/08/09

      To quote the great Laurie Daley:
      “Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people
      Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers.”

    • S.L says:

      06:17am | 26/08/09

      Australian Rules was (believe it or not) invented in Sydney and moved to Melbourne to try to get some interest as no one was bothered with it up here. Most of you are knocking soccer but I find it funny as the League fans can carry on about Western Sydney being League heartland when there are more registered soccer players in that area than all other codes combined. Same with the heartland of A.F.L and the reason the couthern game attracts more bums on seats down there is simple. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO DO IN MELBOURNE!

    • Carl Palmer says:

      08:45am | 26/08/09

      “Mommo you are partially right – “sports code” should read “football code”, however you got the attendance bit very wrong. 
      Regarding TV rating, yes you are right again, but that’s only because AFL supporters are prepared to pay to watch the game live.
      I did go to Blacktown and sat with about 8k people and watched in comfort a good game of football. Why don’t you do your self a big favour and go to http://www.cricketnsw.com.au/nswca/  and read the bit under “Stadium Growing in the West”. Again you are 100% correct, the Blacktown folks are laughing and cheering because they can’t believe that they have first class amenities on their door step for their kids to enjoy.

    • jack coburn says:

      09:38am | 26/08/09

      the reason league is better to watch than union is simple,in league you need to have skill’s as shown in the tiger’s-parra game.You had a game that showed how mich skill you need to be a top class league player,sweeping backline movements,magical passes under pressure,players running all sorts of angles,chip kicks and regathers,crunching defence and forwards who do the hard yards to let the backs have room.This compared to union,which must be the least skillful sport to play in australia,where all you need to do is tread on people while they lie on the ground and kick goals.It shows how little skill you need to play union,and on the class issue,posters on here have proven the point of the author with there comments.

    • Mommo says:

      10:39am | 26/08/09

      Carl Palmer says:08:45am | 26/08/09

      Arguably soccer had a national presence before AFL did (remeber NSL).  The crux of your argument is that the AFL, being played in every state and territory (I’m sorry what ever happened to Tas, ACT and NT??) is the national code. 

      This is misleading as to be truly national, you need to be the predominant code.  The AFL simply cannot say that this is the case. 

      I never mentioned attendance at games.  Sure,  AFL has the better of that part of the argument.  And that probably has something to do with AFL being better entertainment when watched live than on TV - as most AFL fans who I know attest, and league being easily watched on TV.  And the ratings prove that.

      But to say that Leagues dominance on TV ratings in its traditional markets (ie: NSW, Qld and even NZ)  is “because AFL supporters are prepared to pay to watch the game live” (and therefore not on TV) is so far off the mark, its just plain embarressing.

      Sure, the AFL has a stadium at blacktown, good for them, but don’t mistake that for the game having wide appeal. Ive seen my nephews and nieces in the same area, playing league, having a great time, whether they’re on a first class facility or a dirt bowl.  And, (you’re 100% correct) that their having a great time is all that matters. 

      The point is, you can invest in all the infrastructure you like, but ultimately if the product lacks appeal, you’ll fail.  In this regard, League will appeal to those who run with the ball…incidently, kids, once they have their hands on the ball, they’re reticent to pass (or kick) it away.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      03:31pm | 26/08/09

      Mommo, I originally stated that last year was the first time a football code played a game (i.e. an official AFL home and away game) in every state and territory – yes including, Tassie, ACT & Darwin and whilst they played on smaller grounds still managed to increase attendances.  This year they have played 1 Darwin, 2 in the ACT and 4 in Tassie. The Tassie state government is pleading for a Tassie AFL team – unfortunately they won’t get one – market is small but more importantly it won’t grow.

      This Saturday evening I’ll be at the SCG with 30k plus people, I certainly won’t be watching it at home on TV. Rain, hail or snow (all quite possible) we will all be there. There is a group of us who regularly fly interstate to watch a live game. Oh BTW, my daughters boyfriend 27yo (long time mad RL supporter) will be buying himself a season ticket for next year and has already brought himself an AFL jumper to wear around the place. Was he trying to impress – maybe, but I think he enjoys watching the game.

      Sure kids will play anywhere and will always have fun but surely you would always want the kids to play on the best ground possible. Money speaks volumes and will make things happen. No point trying to launch your product in a dust bowl – you’d want to showcase it with the best around you.

      This is what I think the problem is, I suspect that you haven’t watched a live game of AFL (be honest) and you will probably respond by saying that you never will. I can honestly say that I have gone to several RL games over the years (and will probably be going to the League GF this year) and a few Union games to watch the Wallabies play so I can objectively make a comparison between the 3 codes. There is no doubt, all 3 codes have a product and appeal.  Obviously you don’t agree, but the AFL does have a product which does appeal and it will spend whatever is necessary to market their / our product. I won’t go into the attempts by the RL to expand into other southern sates, suffice it to say that the RL administrators in particular are your problem.

      Mommo, go on - lash out and have a go, go and watch an AFL game with someone who knows a bit about it and you never know, you may end up leaving the dark side : - )  It was fun, over and out.

    • Mommo says:

      09:56pm | 26/08/09

      Carl Palmer says:03:31pm | 26/08/09

      With respect, what you’re doing on sat nite, or what your daughters boyfriend does to impress you isnt really relevant, but if you think that adds weight to your arguments, so be it. 

      For the record, as it may interest you, Ill be watching my Rugby League team play live this weekend too.  Thats right…big deal.
      You may be surprised, but over the years ive been to several AFL games (benefits of a girlfriend from Vic who loves the Saints).  Ive even been open minded enough to have played the odd game of AFL as a ring in for her brother’s team (having grown up playing league and union). 

      So, in lashing out (which wasnt necessary, the game is as soft as a pillow), I now probably have about as good an idea about AFL as you do league. 

      Sorry, other than for fitness, AFL does nothing for me.  But thats just my view.  Before you patronise my choice, I do follow rugby union as closely as I follow league. 

      League (and to a lesser extent these days, union) will continue to appeal to those who want to see the ball run with.  This is what the article was all about.  The comparison between the Tigers v Eels match to the Bledisloe test could hardly been more stark. 

      If you as an objective football fan couldnt find the eels v tigers match entertaining, well then thats just your subjective view. 

      Granted, AFL currently appears to have the ascendency largely due to the professional manner in which it is run, and in my view to a lesser extent, due to its appeal.  Full credit to it…it has a business plan for growth and its trying its best. 

      By contrast, League’s development will continue to be hamstrung by Newscorp’s commercial interest in the NRL, which is a shame as the game has a large and loyal fan base to leverage off.   

      Ill leave you with this.  If League does fail (which according to all your arguments, is inevitable), it will fail because its badly run, not because it lacks appeal.  By contrast, if the AFL fails in Western Sydney (which in my view, it will), it wont be because it was a badly run code, but because the game lacked appeal.

 

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