This week the Gillard Government was given a glimpse into its political future in Sydney and it’s as grim as it gets. But it was an image that has been quarantined from public debate because of the equally bleak outlook for the Government’s perfidious bed-fellows, the Greens.

Shhhh… don't tell them I'm a member of the Labor party… Picture of MP Chris Hayes: Renee Nowytarge

Deluded Labor MPs and their cheer squads have been out celebrating the diminishing fortunes of the minority party. All to divert attention away from the real problem.

The bigger story behind the NSW council elections last weekend seems to have been buried under a Maoist suppression order within the Gillard Government. The only bloke brave enough to challenge it so far, ironic considering he is from the Left, has been the outspoken Senator Doug Cameron.

He summed the situation up in typically eloquent style when describing his experience last Saturday while manning a Labor booth in western Sydney. “It really is a problem for Labor when you’ve got blue collar workers with the arse out of their pants taking Liberal how-to-vote cards and voting Liberal.”

The election results were only marginally better than the State election results last year, which were the worst in history, until the Queensland elections. Some see that as a positive, despite the loss of just about every Labor council in western Sydney and beyond. Liverpool, of all places, now has its first ever Liberal mayor - who three years ago was a member of the ALP.

Yet the only discussion about this political apocalypse has been in whispers behind hands in the corridors of Parliament.

There is now a body of evidence from the experiences at two levels of Government - council and State - which cant be ignored by the Federal leadership and cannot be dismissed as being isolated to local and State issues.

Most of the Liberal and conservative independent candidates were campaigning against the carbon tax and Gillard herself.

When Chris Hayes dared raised it with the Acting Prime Minister Wayne Swan on Tuesday in caucus, he may as well have been talking about tuberculosis. No one wanted to know about it.

Hayes is the Federal member for the western Sydney seat of Fowler. He is generally regarded as a pretty good bloke.

And that’s about all Hayes wants the voters of Cecil Hills, Bonnyrigg, Cabramatta and Liverpool to know about him these days.

Nowhere on Hayes’ official website does the word Labor appear. It has been completely airbrushed out of his profile, his press releases, and every other digital crevice he could find.
And for good reason.

Fowler had been ultra-safe Labor since it was created in 1984.

At the last election, when Hayes was forced into the seat by Julia Gillard, to make way for left wing union leader Laurie Ferguson into Hayes old seat of Werriwa, it suffered a 15 per cent swing.

A swing of only half that size at the next Federal election and Hayes will be looking closely at his superannuation account.

Hayes has, rightly, tried to impress upon Swan and his colleagues that unless they somehow managed to turn things around in western Sydney, and quickly, the Government was dead.

Smarter people in the Government on higher pay grades than him better start taking notice.

Swan probably gave the only response he could, regardless of whether he actually believed it himself when he suggested the vote would come back.

But Hayes was dead right to bring it up, because there are those in the Prime Minister’s office and in Cabinet, captured by the Victorian intelligentsia, who obviously don’t get whats going on in NSW.

Either that or they have decided they would simply prefer to live out the rest of their political lives as characters in a CS Lewis fantasy novel.

The only glimmer of hope for Gillard in Sydney was provided this week by Barry O’Farrell and his budget cuts to education. Finally, the Federal Labor Government had a campaign for NSW.

Even then they embraced it reluctantly.

Education Minister Peter Garrett reportedly told caucus that he would refuse to attack O’Farrell over the cuts because he didn’t want to upset him while they were in negotiations over the Gonski reforms.

One NSW Right MP joked that Garrett was at risk of needing to take out an AVO against his own colleagues, so palpable was the anger within the caucus. Although he didn’t sound like he was joking.

Things are clearly that bad - and that directionless in the top ranks of the Government - that it was left to the NSW Party Secretary Sam Dastyari to fly down to Canberra on Wednesday night, call all the NSW MPs together for a meeting the following morning, and spell it out to them.

They had to get out there and start campaigning against the O’Farrell’s cuts. Don’t mention the war.

Dastyari knows, as do the NSW Federal Labor MPs, that the council results were the second wake up alarm for Labor in NSW in the last 18 months. There won’t be another one until the Sunday after the next election and it will be the sound of defeat ringing in their ears if they don’t collectively get their act together now and try to retake Sydney.

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    • Gregg says:

      06:45am | 14/09/12

      The disease is growing, spreading like a cancer and Gillard knows it and Krudd when she sees it.
      She is hanging on to get whatever she can for as long as she can for herself with zero respect for Australians.

      ” “I saw blue collar workers with their arse hanging out of their pants taking Liberal How to Vote cards”. “

      People who may have been expected to form some of Labor’s support would seem to have realised there is no benefit in continuing support for the unsupportable.

      If Gillard had any respect whatsoever for Australians, there would have been an election back when she supposedly was a great negotiator, a negotiator doing backflips and renegging on written agreements.
      And then we have the blatant lies and fob offs re shady dealings in the past, that from someone supposedly representing the legal profession.

    • Bomb78 says:

      10:00am | 14/09/12

      I had plenty of experiences to match Doug Cameron at the last Queensland election. Blue collar Labor types, in an ALP heartland seat, thank me for getting rid of Bligh - and all I was doing was handing out LNP how to votes!
      They came with tempers and nasty words for Bligh; they are coming with axe handles and crow bars for Gillard. And even as a dyed in the wool conservative voter, I feel for the back benchers, like Chris Hayes, who are for the most part very genuine, honest and hard working locals who give plenty to their communities. They are the unwilling passengers on Gillard’s express train to oblivion.

    • nihonin says:

      10:49am | 14/09/12

      ‘I feel for the back benchers, like Chris Hayes, who are for the most part very genuine, honest and hard working locals who give plenty to their communities. They are the unwilling passengers on Gillard’s express train to oblivion.’

      You contradict yourself Bomb78, as long as they support ‘Gliiard’s express train’ they’re not what you say they are, according to you.

    • t13vom says:

      03:54pm | 14/09/12

      Senator Cameron

      Wota silly wucka

      God that amuses me every time I say it .. yes I know it’s petty, but when I heard that accent complaining “aboot fourin wuckas comin heya”, I can but smile and realise he really believes people take him seriously.

      Good for him, but of course, not good for Australia

    • Sherlock says:

      06:45am | 14/09/12

      Don’t worry because Julia is going to turn it around next month. Or perhaps the month after that or even the month after that. Definitely the month after that at the latest although it may drag into the month after that unless something else happens and it might take another month.

      Of course if peoples power bills arrive and they see how much they now have to pay for electricity it may take another month or two but definitely before the 2014 budget.

      All those other turning points that have now come and gone should have worked and it’s all Mr Abbott’s fault that they didn’t

    • nihonin says:

      08:07am | 14/09/12

      Sherlock this article is the ‘turning point’.  wink

    • andye says:

      11:44am | 14/09/12

      @Sherlock - No she won’t. And then when the Libs are in power, they won’t either. The west is in the state it is in because we are in a constant state of denial and willing to listen to the next person who comes along and tells us that everything bad is cause by the last guy but how things are different.

      A lot of the angry voters want a return to the good old days, but they ain’t ever coming back.

    • dave charlesworth says:

      12:00pm | 14/09/12

      I can tell one thing re the power bills, wow have they gone up, where is old red nuts drooll now re the sky falling??

    • donna says:

      04:04pm | 14/09/12

      “Julia is going to turn it around”

      Which Julia though .. which one, (every week I await the one with a clown suit, long floppy shoes and a red wig on)

      sigh, we’ve seen so many Julia’s

      Why I remember Julia the “exemplary parliamentary performer”, who was so good she made deputy PM, then knifed her boss to take his job, no fear there!

      Now ALP marketeers have somehow come up with a pitch that she suffers from woman haters, is frail and easily hurt.

      Sensitive Julia?

      Seriously, if you had asked her 5 years ago if she was a sook, she would have gutted you.

    • Little Joe says:

      07:02am | 14/09/12

      Labor can rant and rave all they want ..... most Australians are recognising that Labor has no values, no ethics, no morals, no direction and no plan.

      An example of this is quite evident in the Education Budget. Labor has throw billions of dollars at education and achieved exactly what they wanted to achieve ..... not the betterment of education throughout Australia but the employment of more public servants.

      And before you get all mean and nasty on me, how many people know how much more the Federal Government is spending on education?? $29.6B in 2011-12!!! Anyone know what the Federal Government was spending 4-years ago???  $18.4B!!! So Federal Labor has increased spending by over 50% in 4-years ..... meanwhile most Australians see our education systems are going backwards!!!! What a marvelous outcome!!!!

      Now before all you Laborasauruses get all mean and stompy, how many of you know how much Labor has increased funding to public schools in the current budget??? Take a guess ...... maybe 3%?? ..... maybe 5%?? ..... possibly 7%??

      Well if you picked any of these numbers you would be sadly incorrect. Unfortunately, in their infinite wisdom, the ALP has cut funding to Government Schools!!! Their 2012-13 Budget indicates that they intend on cutting spending by $13M.


      In 2013-14 the Labor Government intends on cutting a further $51M from Public School Funding.

      So over the next two financial years this ALP Government intends on cutting funding by 1.4%.

      It is quite pathetic to continually watch ignorant people Labor!!!!

    • dovif says:

      08:08am | 14/09/12

      The issue is an ALP government can never fix education, because they can never tackle the Public sector Union.

      The issue in public education is the Union still runs education, and so bad teacher cannot be sacked, good teacher cannot be rewarded and promotion is based on seniority. The end result is the youth of Australia suffers because of the Union

      And because Unions donates to the ALP, the ALP is bribed to increase union membership, but cannot create a good result for Australian youth.

      I do hope that the recent teacher cuts announced means that we get rid of the low quality teacher, which will means a better result for all our childrens

    • Borderer says:

      09:02am | 14/09/12

      Not in Queensland, not any more.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:05am | 14/09/12

      Finally someone in the Labor Party who can see the forest for the trees. Labor stinks to high heaven and although they put a brave face on it most existing Labor Politicians know this is their last hurray and will be joining the unemployed ranks after the next election.
        It makes one wonder as the the mental stability of those in power who realise that unless they change they will be chucked out but still refuse to do anything about it. They always remind me of a rabbit caught in the headlights waiting for the inevitable and not being able to do anything to save itself.
        Of course this suits the majority of the Australian people as they realise that 4 more years of this almost Government and the Greens and Independents and Australia would be a basket case and will be glad to see the back of them.

    • Get rid of both parties says:

      07:26am | 14/09/12

      Labor cannot fix this. All those ministers had their chance that day they instead voted and cheered for the carbon tax. It was pure betrayal. Right or wrong, they blatantly lied and will be punished. Then there’s all the other failures as well.

      Most of us can’t wait to inflict it on them. I’ve never seen anything like it. There’s never been more anger towards a party. Nothing can save them.

    • AH says:

      08:10am | 14/09/12

      The fact that every single Labor MP voted in favour of introducing the carbon tax was one thing.

      When they cheered and fist-pumped and mocked the public gallery at its introduction - in the face of 80% of Australians opposing it at the time - was absolutely, purely and utterly unforgivable. It remains one of the worst displays of arrogance amidst power that I’ve ever seen ... and that must spell their annihilation at the next election.

    • HA says:

      09:18am | 14/09/12

      You sure it was 99% that didn’t want it?
      That a much more better number.
      Are you babble-on, or do you just share her penchant for making numbers up?

    • Get rid of both parties says:

      09:22am | 14/09/12

      “When they cheered and fist-pumped and mocked the public gallery at its introduction”

      I predict that will be the LNP’s advertising campaign.

    • GigaStar says:

      09:31am | 14/09/12

      HA - 80% has not been made-up. Both the ALP and the Liberals went into the election with the “no carbon tax” platform and 81.31% of Australians voted for these parties. So AH is correct.

      BTW “much more better “? Obviously you need to brush up on your maths and English.

    • HA says:

      10:26am | 14/09/12

      I’m much more better than you at both maths and english.

      Half the coalition was in favour of a price on carbon, the greens were in favour of a price on carbon and Labor was in favour of a price on carbon.
      That means 112% of Australians approved of a price on carbon.

    • marley says:

      11:07am | 14/09/12

      HA - well, thank heavens you’re good in “english” (sic) because you sure are lousy at math.

    • Steve says:

      02:29pm | 14/09/12

      So 100% of Australians want the carbon tax and 12% want to be taxed twice??
      Are you Wayne Swann or or do you work on Labors economic policies?

    • GigaStar says:

      03:13pm | 14/09/12

      HA - Really your comprehension needs to be worked on as well. You are talking about individual preferences of policians which don’t matter in an election. What matters are the policy platforms that each party go into an election with, which is what voters actually vote for. Do keep up with the rest of us and learn how our electoral system works.

      I seem to remember something about Gillard saying “there will not be a carbon tax under the party I lead”. That is the policy platform that the voters voted for. Why else would people be angry now with the perception they were deceived.

      Show me where half of coalition voters were in favour of a carbon tax. The coalition policy platform was no carbon tax so I don’t see where you get your statistics from other than plucking them from thin air.

      BTW - even under your logic your math doesn’t add up. Firstly, you can’t possibly have 112% voters in Australia. Secondly, in your logic it was only half of the coalition so you couldn’t possibly come up with the answer of 112%. Only an ALP supporter would come up with an answer of 112% from a maximum possible of 100%. Truly, do you work for Wayne Swan’s office?

      And no HA, your English is not “much more better” than mine. What a pity - you fail on so many counts.

    • FlyOnTheWall says:

      07:33am | 14/09/12

      They deserve to disappear… after their poor performance, their lies and deceit, their mishandling of the economy and virtually every policy they have tried to implement.
      Why would I, in business, spend any resources looking at projects in Australia now? Major shifts in policy are announced, then changed (within weeks or less), then changed again… knee-jerk reactions like the live cattle export, or the Margiris trawler ship. Internationally, we are a complete joke.

      I hope this “government” and its members, get what they deserve, a sound electoral thrashing!

    • S.L says:

      07:39am | 14/09/12

      Sure Western Sydney swung away from Labor and more so the Greens in the council elections but elsewhere in regional NSW Labor held its own and the Greens kept losing voters.
      I’m not denying Labor support is heading south but I can only think that the Liberals could do a lot better than having messers Abbott and O’Farrell as leaders from a NSW point of view…................

    • acotrel says:

      08:14am | 14/09/12

      Abbott - PM
      Joyce - Deputy PM
      O’Farrell - Premier NSW
      Newman - Premier Qld
      Baillieu - Premier Vic
      Barnett - Premier WA
      With all that belt tightening Australia will have strangled testicles !

    • Doh! another stuff up says:

      08:20am | 14/09/12


      Completely agreed, with O’Farrell the Liberals only got 59% of the vote in NSW, Abbott is only on 56% at the moment

      The Liberals can do so much better, they should follow the ALP example and draft someone like Julia (Liar, finaces smugglers, supports waste of union money Thomson, support sexual harressment Slipper)

      How much is Julia on at the moment?

    • Steve Douglas says:

      08:52am | 14/09/12

      SL I just hope the ALP keeps thinking like you that everything is all right and do nothing about it - just a minor problem.  Keep it up because it means the party will not address the problems and the outcome next year will be same as it has been - just like over the past 2 years in all election results.  But you can rest easy, there is an election in the ACT shortly and I will predict an ALP win - again with Green’s support, but you will win.  But don’t get too excited as most of the voters in Canberra work for the government and you don’t bit the hand that feeds you.

    • dovif says:

      09:04am | 14/09/12


      If only we did it 4 years earlier

      Australia would be at least $100 billion wealthier and we would not need 4 new taxes, higher interest rate and cuts to “middle class welfare”

    • nihonin says:

      09:04am | 14/09/12

      Brilliant acotrel, good laugh.

    • S.L says:

      09:12am | 14/09/12

      @Doh….............The O’Farrell vote was more a protest vote than a vote for the NSW Liberals.
      Abbott 56%? Lets see that result at the poles!
      The O’Farrell government has achieved nothing in 2 years except their current brainwave to cut school funding. They promised little and have done less.
      I stand by my original statement…......................

    • Get rid of both parties says:

      09:19am | 14/09/12


      Yes, they are ruthless but it’s because of Labors incompetence that it’s necessary. In fact LNP will mess it up too.

      Australia needs a new direction away from the two parties whose interests are so far removed from what’s good for Australians it’s ridiculous.

      Joyce is maybe the best politician we’ve had for many decades. Listen to what he says, he wants what’s best for Australians.

      The others are just puppets in a party.

      What do you hope to achieve, or what do you get acotrel from being so pro Labor?

    • Damocles says:

      09:36am | 14/09/12

      @ “brain dead” aco who said…...
      “With all that belt tightening Australia will have strangled testicles !”
      I’d prefer to put the tightening belt round Gillard’s throat!

    • S.L says:

      10:29am | 14/09/12

      @Steve Douglas. I pointed out what happened at the council elections and my comment on what the O’Farrell government has achieved is accurate.
      I didn’t give an opinion that all is well with Labor but did say the Libs would be better off without their current federal and NSW leaders.
      Remember too Steve Mr Abbott was trying to do a deal with the Greens and independents to form government too but Ms Gillard sweetened the pot more.
      The only independent to side with the conservatives?
      That nutbag Bob Katter!

    • Bernie says:

      10:50am | 14/09/12

      acotrel - ‘With all that belt tightening Australia will have strangled testicles..’

      This is how it is you baby - after years of Labor’s reckless waste of taxpayers money, the result is the day of reckoning has arrived, just like Greece.  We are now forced to reckon with it, just like they have been forced to reckon with it.  Now maybe YOU like to indulge and live beyond your means without a care of the future in your own household, but those with insight and a responsible approach to fiscal management realise otherwise.  So get a grip, understand where we are, and grow up you baby.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:13am | 14/09/12

      Lol acotrel.  Don’t presume to speak for WA.  We live a totally different existence over here.  Barnett’s building new hospitals over here and massive civic improvements.  The reason for that is partially because our mining sector is propping up the rest of Australia’s economy.

      But partially it’s because Labor hasn’t been in power for four years, and we didn’t have a Premier like Anna Bligh who could similarly take a mining-based state and utterly fuck it up.  When you’ve got a Labor Premier or Labor Minister who can actually pay the bills and keep the unions in check, come back to me.

    • The Machiavellian says:

      07:40am | 14/09/12

      In the last Queensland Election Labor candidates took Labor off their posters. Booths in safe seats went unmanned or womanned and many Labor volunteers copped so much abuse they packed up before noon.
      ............and Julia and Swan aren’t worried. They must have pension intentions!
      The AWU scandal is yet to hit home and a Royal Commission into Unions is inevitable!.
      The free press will be the opposition - don’t muzzle it!

    • Hmmmmm says:

      11:43am | 14/09/12

      NT Election was the same.

      Team Henderson was the AD and Icon used. No mention of the ALP at all. Didn’t help them either.

      Carbon Tax and the Krudd debacle, Labour is gone.

    • Suzanne says:

      07:45am | 14/09/12

      Bring on the Federal election I am eager to know if the ALP Caucus will fit into a mini bus.  Should be an interesting 12 months of furniture saving

    • Two House Majority says:

      09:29am | 14/09/12

      Agree Suzanne…hopefully Abbott will gain control in both houses of parliament, we will then see the backs of the ALP, Greens and independents. Abbott will then have a mandate to implement all of his policies, starting with repealing the carbon tax, the MRRT and removing boat people once and for all and regaining control of our borders.

      With control of both houses, Abbott will be able to steer the good ship Australia on a course of proper economic management without the hindrance of the ALP and minor parties, we will finally be rid of the farce that has governed us for the past five years.

    • Rose says:

      10:35am | 14/09/12

      There is no doubt that the Labor Party have some serious problems that need addressing, and that many in positions of influence in the party have their heads in the sand. However, an Abbott government would be a disaster, the man is a mean spirited, ideologically driven imbecile (yes, I know he’s a Rhodes Scholar, that makes him academically smart, not smart in a practical sense). Worst case scenario would be him having the majority in both Houses, the ideas he has floated so far would be disastrous. A majority in both Houses is dangerous no matter what side is in Government, but Abbott would definitely be trouble. He would increase middle class welfare to those least in need (his maternity leave payments for a start), crucify the most disadvantaged (his idea of Work for the Dole and shipping the under 30 unemployed to the mines would increase social problems and reduce the employability of the most disadvantaged) and he would reduce the competitiveness of Australia’s by restricting the NBN and reducing funding to research and development for industries dealing with climate change and renewable energy.
      Be careful what you wish for. Best case scenario would be a new party with the best of politicians from both sides (those only from the middle) and people who have never been in politics before that have fresh eyes, ears and ideas.

    • nihonin says:

      11:13am | 14/09/12

      ‘the man is a mean spirited, ideologically driven imbecile’

      Ah, yeah, and Julia Gillard isn’t though.

    • Rose says:

      12:11pm | 14/09/12

      Gillard is, but not to the same degree!

    • Futureproof says:

      06:27pm | 14/09/12

      Spoken like a true believer Rose.  A thrid plitical party you say. What would that party be, Rose?  Your party the Greens?

    • Joe H says:

      07:51am | 14/09/12

      anyone who believe a word from news ltd people

      can only be coalition supporters

    • AH says:

      08:12am | 14/09/12

      ... and yet here you are on a News Limited site?

    • dovif says:

      08:17am | 14/09/12

      Completely agree, last weekend’s election was a great success for the ALP and the Greens for the 30% or so of people who voted ALP or the Green

      The other 70% of people can only be coalition supporters

      Now where is my head ..... sand

    • marley says:

      08:31am | 14/09/12

      Anyone who doesn’t believe the results posted by the NSW Electoral Commission has to be living in la-la land.

    • TimB says:

      08:36am | 14/09/12

      As opposed to ALP diehards who insist on sticking their collective heads in the sand and insisting there isn’t a problem.

      There’s nothing more ifdiotic than wilful ignorance.

    • Borderer says:

      09:06am | 14/09/12

      They have them surrounded, they are about to be destroyed, I thought that guy went to prison after the Iraq war, I guess he’s working for the ALP.

    • nihonin says:

      09:41am | 14/09/12

      Wonder how many iterations of this news ltd comment we will see today, keep those fingers busy Daniel.

    • Freeman says:

      09:46am | 14/09/12

      New Ltd papers have been morphing into LNP newsletters.
      Who do they think they are kidding.

      The only people with their head in the sand are the conservatives who think Ltd. News is in any way balanced.

    • marley says:

      11:12am | 14/09/12

      @Freeman - so, what’s your take on the NSW election results? A resounding success for the ALP and the Greens? 

      The results are what they are.  What the underlying reasons for their respective declines in fortune might be, and how they resolve their problems, is a matter of opinion, informed or otherwise, but you can hardly claim that NewsLtd is inventing the actual results.

    • Mouse says:

      07:42pm | 14/09/12

      JoeH, Freeman,  “ALP, there is nothing wrong, everyone loves you, just keep doing what you are doing, keep following the same path…...everyone loves you, there is nothing wrong,  you will win for sure,!”
      LOL   :o)

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:54am | 14/09/12

      Nothing can save Labor. It’s their own hubris that has led to this situation. We could spend thousands of words analysing why but it somes down to over-promising and under-delivering. People don’t like to feel betrayed by slick salespeople who promise one thing and deliver nothing or what they didn’t want.

    • PeterH says:

      08:57am | 14/09/12

      Tubesteak, I disagree. In regards to the carbon dioxide tax it is a matter of under promising and over delivering that will see Labor decimated at the next election smile

    • Borderer says:

      08:58am | 14/09/12

      Most people want a government that doesn’t do very much and anything they do attempt to change is changed for the better. People crave stability, not revolution, revolution is for times where change is necessary because the current way is unlivable.
      Workchoices to many Australians was unlivable, rightly or wrongly they had it in their heads that it was and by consequence the Howard government had to go. If Labor did that and little else, they’d be looking at a good number of years in power. Sadly being a bunch of moronic idealists got in the way of the “do nothing” approach to good governance and everything needed change. So, here we are, billions in debt, very little to show for it and a party about to be crucified in the polls. I don’t feel sad, you did this to yourselves, just like Qld labor did, though they weren’t helped by their federal colleagues they still would have been hammered on their own merit or lack there of.

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:16am | 14/09/12

      Good point. Flipped the under-promise thing on it’s head.

      People just want the basics and to be left alone for the rest. Let them decide how to live for themselves. Give us the simple tools to get it done.

    • gobsmack says:

      07:58am | 14/09/12

      In the last State election in Victoria, the Liberals managed to scrape in by one seat.

      At the State by-election for the seat of Melbourne held a month ago, the Liberals didn’t even bother to field a candidate.

      In less than two years, the state Liberal party have turned Labor’s ten years of surpluses into a deficit and managed to piss off nearly everyone in Victoria.  They are looking like a one term government.

    • AH says:

      08:17am | 14/09/12

      I think we’re all a little ‘gobsmacked’ that you would be so arrogant, delusional and myopic to turn an opinion piece on Labor’s problems into a shot at the Liberals - without any recognition (not even the tiniest bit) that Labor need to change in order to survive in Australia.

      You must really believe Labor’s problems are all Tony Abbott’s fault?

    • TimB says:

      08:29am | 14/09/12

      Quick! Look over there!

    • Alfie says:

      08:30am | 14/09/12

      Not according to the polls. Morgan puts the 2pp vote at LNP 52% to ALP 48% im March 2012. Despite your gloomy predictions, that just a 1% change since the previous poll. On primary vote: LNP 44.5% to ALP 33.5%.

      But get this: Prefered Premier Baillieu 41% Andrews 33.5%

      Hardly a ripple, let alone a big swing gobsmack.

    • gary says:

      08:54am | 14/09/12

      “You must really believe Labor’s problems are all Tony Abbott’s fault? “

      Nah, some of the credit has to go to ltd news tosspots like this one.

      How you going with conjuring up another Rudd challenge Benson?

    • Roy says:

      09:02am | 14/09/12

      Gobsmack is correct, the Libs are on the nose in Vic, it may be the only state in the nation where they are, but its true.
      Its early days in QLD, once the sackings start, and suddenly its your relative or friend joining the dole queue, and not a number in the newspaper we will see how popular the Libs are.

    • GigaStar says:

      09:24am | 14/09/12

      “In less than two years, the state Liberal party have turned Labor’s ten years of surpluses into a deficit”

      This is exactly what federal ALP did with Costello’s budget surpluses and yet gobsmack will still insist on complaining about it.

    • Get rid of both parties says:

      09:32am | 14/09/12

      Get rid of both parties.

      Labor kill the economy with their socialist garbage and dumber than dumb ideas.

      LNP are too far biased towards the rich, growth and big business.

      We need something in the middle that’s sustainable for the good of Australians. Get us all working, no more growth. Stop population increase. Regroup, take stock of what we’ve got and look towards a sustainable future.

      That word “SUSTAINABLE” is used way too loosely. There’s nothing sustainable about anything we’re doing. Particularly population to drive growth.

      We’ve been in this destructive push/pull BS for many, many decades and it’s time to change. Now we’re globalised, if we continue on this path, we’ll be working for nothing as slaves to the people that have bought up Australia.

    • TimB says:

      09:40am | 14/09/12

      “How you going with conjuring up another Rudd challenge Benson? “

      Yes because the last one was just a figment of his imagination, wasn’t it?

      Poor Badger, living in such utter denial.

    • Drama Queen says:

      10:01am | 14/09/12

      gobsmack - ever heard of the expression Nero fiddling while Rome was burning. Your post represents what is wrong with the ALP and why you will get smashed in the next election. All smoke and mirrors and no thoughts about the real issues at hand.

    • Rose says:

      10:10am | 14/09/12

      After yesterday’s effort by Redmond, Liberals aren’t looking real flash in SA either.

    • Tbird says:

      10:13am | 14/09/12

      Labor wont be voted in any time soon in Victoria.
      Remember Australia’s greatest and most expensive white elephant Desal plant (wowee biggest in Southern Hemisphere!) that Victorians will be paying $billions for 35 years….........great one Labor!

    • PsychoHyena says:

      10:18am | 14/09/12

      @TimB, I’ve been wondering about that actually, I mean if Rudd hadn’t made the “challenge” then speculation of a leadership challenge would have dominated the news regardless of how much it was denied.

      Everyone looks at Rudd as being, well human I guess, but given that this is the guy who has had numerous operations since leaving the leadership due to health problems caused from the stress, I don’t think he would be stupid enough to mount a real challenge.

    • gary says:

      11:24am | 14/09/12


      TimB can’t see anything because his head is buried in the sand, where he has private conversations with Alfie and AH.

      He thinks Benson is some sort of prophet.

      He’s just an angry conservative who spit the dummy and does his masters bidding.

      If it wasn’t for his fictional unnamed sources Benson would have to rely on facts.
      No wait, I forgot - Ltd. News doesn’t need facts. They can publish anything they want and their apologists like marley will defend it by calling it freedom of speech.

      So much for an informed electorate.

    • TimB says:

      11:27am | 14/09/12

      Very conspiracy theoryish of you P.Hyena.

      My read of the situation though is that Rudd was too much of an egomaniac *not* to challenge.

    • TimB says:

      12:26pm | 14/09/12

      ‘If it wasn’t for his fictional unnamed sources Benson would have to rely on facts.’

      Does Badger know for a fact that these unamed sources are fictional? Or is he just spouting his opinion as a fact?

      I hope you enjoy the delicious irony Badger. I know I am.

      (PS. The sources are unnamed because your beloved ALP members are craven cowards. The challenge happened. Benson was right. Suck it up.)

    • marley says:

      12:58pm | 14/09/12

      @gary - here’s a bit of a quote for you from earlier this year, just before the Rudd challenge:

      “Rudd is campaigning. Rudd is talking to journalists about the leadership despite his astonishing denial.

      I know the names of some of those he has spoken to. I know where he said it – in his office – on a parliamentary sitting day – and I know what he said. He told them a challenge would happen; he told them he was prepared to lose the first ballot and go to the backbench; and in one conversation he laughed about the prospect of Gillard stumbling again.”

      Notice, this article does not provide any named sources;  it is just a flat statement from a journalist.  Surely, if Benson and NewsLtd should be criticised, then so should Barry Cassidy and the ABC for this piece.

      I await with interest your explanation of why you castigate one and not the other.  And also, why your concept of free speech doesn’t extend to either of them.  Frankly, I don’t need to defend either article;  they are manifestly exactly the sort of thing free speech and a free press are all about.

    • gary says:

      01:57pm | 14/09/12

      marley you idiot
      Cassidy is the source, or did you miss this part of your post “
      Rudd is talking to journalists “

      “Cracks appear as Martin Ferguson refuses to back Prime Minister Julia Gillard”
      Simon Benson The Daily Telegraph
      December 16, 2011
      “a senior cabinet minister confirmed
      “Senior government sources said”
      ” revealed five weeks ago that senior backers of Mr Rudd were urging him to launch an early challenge,”
      “several MPs contacted yesterday”
      ““I believe ... ” one Gillard supporter said.”

      These are unnamed sources you pilchard.
      Stop being an apologist for LTd. News.

    • TimB says:

      02:17pm | 14/09/12

      Let me get this straight.

      Cassidy reports theres going to be a challenge.
      Benson reports theres going to be a challenge.

      Cassidy doesn’t name the Labor identities involved
      Benson doesn’t name the Labor identities involved.

      Then we end up with the actual challenge, thus proving the veracity of both stories.

      Yet in Badgers mind, this somehow means that Cassidy is a bastion of journalistic integrity, whilst Benson is a lying scum who’s making stuff up.

      On what planet, in what alternate reality, does this logic make the slightest bit of sense?

      I know who the idiot here is Badger, and it sure as hell isn’t Marley.

      Benson was right, and you are a twat. Sucks to be you.

    • marley says:

      02:28pm | 14/09/12

      @Gary - the only difference between Benson producing an article on the Rudd challenge and Cassidy producing one is that one works for News and one works for the ABC. They both came up with the same story.  Neither directly attributed their sources.  Yet you figure one’s based on lies and one on truth.  That’s stretching it, even for you.

      And you still haven’t given me a single reason why either story should be disqualified from the protection of free speech and a free press. I don’t have to justify or apologise for thinking both articles are perfectly within the bounds of free speech;  you have to explain to me why one is and one isn’t.  Good luck with that one.

    • gobsmack says:

      02:47pm | 14/09/12

      Oh dear, I’ve interrupted the narrative.

      Funny how the situation in one State has national significance but mention another State where things are different and one is accused of being a distraction.

      Talking of distractions, the discussion seems to have turned to the “Rudd challenge” chestnut again.

    • TimB says:

      03:09pm | 14/09/12

      ‘Funny how the situation in one State has national significance but mention another State where things are different and one is accused of being a distraction.’

      The ‘situation’ in one state was series of local elections showing that Labor are still on the nose in NSW, in seats that will impact directly on the upcoming federal election. There are a pile of seats poised to fall.

      You on the other hand made a sweeping general statement with regards to a state that just happens to be a Federal Labor stronghold.

      Do you understand how the implications of the article and the implications of your post are worlds apart?

    • gobsmack says:

      03:52pm | 14/09/12


      Do you understand what “sweeping general statement” means?

    • TimB says:

      04:18pm | 14/09/12

      I dunno Gobsmack I thought I did, but you seem to believe otherwise. Tell me, does this qualify?:

      “...and managed to piss off nearly everyone in Victoria.”

      As I understand your poll figures, you’re nowhere even close to the truth.

      Just one of many reasons why your statement is a ridiculous distraction compared to the analysis provided by the article.

    • dibatag says:

      07:59am | 14/09/12

      When they do go as go they will it will be good riddence to the worst government ever, and that includes Whitlam’s rabble who up utill Creepella Grusome came along held the title, bring on the election NOW

    • Steve Douglas says:

      09:00am | 14/09/12

      diatag there is plenty to criticise the ALP about without going y to their level with personal insults.  Just keep to the facts of how bad a government they are.

    • acotrel says:

      08:11am | 14/09/12

      Glad to see that you are all happy today !
      With any luck, if Abbott and Joyce get up, the GFC might just fade away and they won’t have to exercise their limited brains, and try to become constructive.

    • Alfie says:

      09:00am | 14/09/12

      “...GFC might just fade away.”

      Errr…was that the 2008 GFC Acotrel? Living in the past again mate?

    • sir ronald bradnam says:

      08:21am | 14/09/12

      Labour are so F….... it’s not funny and through the clouds of their hubris coloured eyes they either can’t see it, or refuse to acknowledge it.
      The next gonski report will be theirs as in Goneski, you are out of here come next election because of your lame arsed policies and implementation.
      Now if we could only dig up a credible opposition from somewhere, our country is crying out for a leader, where is our Boris Johnson?

    • Cienfuegos says:

      08:41am | 14/09/12

      “ was left to the NSW Party Secretary Sam Dastyari to fly down to Canberra on Wednesday night, call all the NSW MPs together for a meeting the following morning, and spell it out to them.”

      Yep, I’m sure that was refreshing for Labor MPs, to get lectured about policy by a 28 year old kid with no life experience other than getting coffees for politicians
      Interesting to see Dastyari’s mate, Sam Crosby, a candidate for Canada Bay Council, didn’t get up either.
      Labor will attract voters again, they just need candidates with life experience, community achievement and some knowledge of how economics and business work. If people think the current crop is bad, you should see what is coming up through Young Labor

    • marley says:

      10:02am | 14/09/12

      I think part of the problem with the ALP is that they’ve lost the grass roots.  They’re not going to get those candidates with life experience and knowledge of business and economics while their only source of new blood is the union apparatus.

      And they’re so focussed on polls that they can’t see a year or two or five down the road.  It’s a bit like a footy team buying a bunch of old players to get to this years finals round, at the cost of the young kids who could get them a premiership in three or four years’ time.

    • Queensland Observer says:

      08:43am | 14/09/12

      Instead of playing ‘Where’s Wally?’, let’s instead play the game ‘Where’s the ALP branding?

      Where? At Annastacia Palaszczuk’s own website. Who, you might ask? None other than the Leader of the Opposition in Queensland.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:52am | 14/09/12

      The problem with the ALP is they don’t hire ex-workers any more.

      The ALP was the worker’s party when senior workers would retire from whatever industry they were involved in, and then joined the ALP.  They had the common touch because they were from the common people, and the rest of us got behind it because they knew what it truly was like.

      The ALP has fallen prey to career politicians though.  Julia was a lawyer!  That’s no “common” industry any more (if it ever was).  The others are not better - they are career politicians, who’ve done nothing in the real world since they played in the parks as kids.

      That’s how the LNP works - power, privilege, those in charge etc.  I don’t think either is more right or wrong, they’re both valid philosophies, but how can you say you’re left of centre when you’ve lived right of it all your life?

      If I could predict anything, I’d suggest the ALP will be smashed to pieces all over the place, we’ll have a few years of breathtaking idiocy from the LNP “right-to-rulers” and the ALP will reform as something else, this time with a proper grassroots leadership who’ve actually done miles with the arses hanging out.

      I wouldn’t think that’ll be any time before 2025, though.

    • Cobbler says:

      09:26am | 14/09/12

      “Maoist suppression order”

      If you want to be taken seriously stop saying bollocks like this

    • Joel B1 says:

      09:36am | 14/09/12

      Here’s your open and transparent ALP/Green government.

      “The combined vote of the ALP/Green Alliance Senators has denied Australians access to 7 volumes of documentation underpinning the findings against Mr Thomson MP and the Health Services Union”

      And for any dog-whistle hearers try this on

      “we cannot comment on whether if some of the documents were properly construed further findings could be made against Mr Thomson and the HSU.”

      Wink, wink.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      11:04am | 14/09/12

      Joel, I think the tricky part (and I believe the public should have access to this information) is that if the information was released and it resulted in no trial being able to be brought against Thomson or the HSU then Labour and the Greens would cop it for obstructing the course of justice by ensuring there would be no unbiased jury.

      This is one of the big problems with FOI in my opinion, big cases get a lot of publicity and then finding an unbiased jury becomes difficult if not impossible. One example is the Jayant Patel case, based on what I’ve read he’s guilty, however the information released prior to his trial had already influenced the opinion of myself and others.

      Personally I think it should be a case of allow the trial to proceed without releasing information and then release the information at the end of the trial.

    • Mack says:

      09:41am | 14/09/12

      You can see how desperate Labor has become with their attempt to dig up dirt on Tony Abbott from 35 years ago. What antics did David Marr get up to a Uni? Perhaps someone should investigate his past.

      As for the Greens, who in their right mind, (apart from utopia believing 18 year olds who have been brainwashed by 12 years of socialist educators and rich latte sipping lefties), would actually vote for the policies of these loops. No media is ever allowed to cover THEIR annual conference - what are they hiding?

    • Luke says:

      10:34am | 14/09/12

      @Mack. Of course the Liberal Party rehashing of the Slater and Gordon story everytime Gillard gets some clean air is completely different. I suppose it the same as the difference between a Labor “tax” and a Liberal ‘levy” or, even better “royalty”.

    • Martin H says:

      10:48am | 14/09/12

      “You can see how desperate Labor has become with their attempt to dig up dirt on Tony Abbott”

      Mack - David Marr is not our alternative Prime Minister, so no-one could give a flying proverbial about Marr.

      The Liberal party started this muck-raking while desperately trying to bring down the government, it was inevitable that at some stage the mud flinging was going to be returned, it’s all childish stuff but it’s also how low politics has reached in Australia, this won’t be the last we see of this type of rubbish, sadly, we appear to be heading down the USA path of dirty and pathetic politics.

    • Zaan says:

      12:14pm | 14/09/12

      “Sigh” the AWU stuff was bought up by members of the ALP and past union members. Try and keep up!
      Can certainly see the Labor 30%, not big on facts or comprehension!

    • Bernie says:

      12:40pm | 14/09/12

      Martin H 10:48am

      ‘The Liberal party started this muck-raking while desperately trying to bring down the government…’  Er, not it didn’t pal.  You need to check your facts Martin and don’t be lazy about it.  It was a certain Senator McClelland (a lawyer at that), a member of the ALP no less, not the Liberal party, who stood up in Parliament for all the world to see, and gave us this sordid seedy insight into Gillard’s character.  And don’t forget which journalist (Milne) lost his job over this when attempting to expose same over a year ago, so we also see here a case of suppression of freedom of speech, over the press.

    • Martin H says:

      01:39pm | 14/09/12

      Bernie - This muck raking didn’t start with the Gillard story, it’s been going on since day one of this current government…The Liberals have been desperately trying to bring the government down ever since the Greens and Independents backed Gillard…Rudd, Thomson, Slipper, Gillard. I look forward to who’s next on the list of failed muck raking attempts.

    • Karen from Qld says:

      02:15pm | 14/09/12

      Martin H - quite a list there.
      Now let’s see - Thomson - ongoing investigation regarding allegations of fraud
      Slipper - being investigated by AFP re fraud allegations
      Gillard - a whole plethora of documents to prove her involvement in the setting up of a “slush fund” - her words not mine.
      Now let’s come to the smear attempt of Abbott by Labor. A disputed incident - not criminal- when he was 19. Talk about clutching at straws.
      But you are right about Rudd . He has been doing his damnedest to bring down Gillard ever since she knifed him.

    • Bear says:

      10:04am | 14/09/12

      Simon Benson says Labor suck! What revelation! In other news, the earth is round!

    • Rowdy says:

      10:40am | 14/09/12

      Ummmm….the earth isn’t round….it is an oblate spheriod…..


    • Karen from Qld says:

      10:04am | 14/09/12

      This latest dirt campaign being waged against Abbott has all the hallmarks of a deeply desperate party - a party with nothing but stuff up after stuff up to show. They have nothing left but to resort to gutter tactics just like Anna Bligh and just like Qld the Australian public are getting to see just what the ALP is all about. Wayne Swan may think he is johnny on the spot but come the next election he won’t even be a seat warmer on the parliamentary bench.

    • Martin H says:

      11:05am | 14/09/12

      Karen - If you’re going to fling mud at some stage you must expect to have some flung back, it’s what children do.

    • Karen from Qld says:

      11:50am | 14/09/12

      Well Wayne Swan, Ms O’Neill and the rest of the ALP wannabes had better watch out then because bucket loads must be coming their way.

    • tez says:

      12:47pm | 14/09/12

      When was the last time you herd Abbott being called a Cow ,Slut ,Bitch ,Whore. What sort of dirt campagnes are these or do you want to be given a break like I hear several liberal commintators asking for lately.

    • Zaan says:

      01:12pm | 14/09/12

      Tez I haven’t heard any of the Liberal Party using those terms in regard to our PM.
      It was interesting on the Today show it was mentioned Mr Abbott is the first opposition leader to face a female PM, unfortunately the weak will always play the sexist card.
      So sad for women really, it will be to the detriment for future women in politics, they won’t be taken seriously.

    • Karen from Qld says:

      01:28pm | 14/09/12

      Please enlighten me as to when a member of the federal Liberal Party referred to a member of the federal ALP as a Cow ,Slut ,Bitch ,Whore. and by whom. But I do seem to recall Wayne Swan referring to Abbott as a thug, Julia Gillard calling Christopher Pyne a mincing poodle and several Labor MPs referring to Abbott as a Mad Monk. I have also read about jibes made by Labor MPs regarding Joe Hockey and Julie Bishop and Sophie Mirabella
      You seem to have forgotten these Tez - selective memory hey.

    • Onlooker says:

      10:18am | 14/09/12

      My husband is a blue collar worker , just because they have a blue collar doesn’t mean they are brain dead, it not the Carbon Tax, these men and women deal with math every day. They don’t like Gillard and they didn’t like the way Rudd was treated and is still treated. All this cigarette crap and price hikes hit them. Your not going to tell me smoking the odd cigarette a day when they get time is more deadly than the oyxy and paint fumes and metals they breath in all day long. Labor was supposed to represent them.. It failed them.

    • Drivebyer says:

      11:47am | 14/09/12

      You and your hubby should vote conservative at the next election.
      Abbott will rescind the tobacco taxes and eliminate the laws around plain packaging and advertising.
      It’s the least he can do considering the “donations” to the Liberal party.

      Oh, and don’t you be worried that your hubby will have to stay in that toxic environment an extra few hours because of work choices or that he’ll miss the kids sporting endeavors because he got called in.

      Yes, the conservatives will look after you better, because brain dead blue collar smokers are the conservative core constituency.

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      10:32am | 14/09/12

      ‘GET RID OF BOTH PARTIES’ is the answer.

      ALP is 97.438% (+/-2%) certain of loosing the next election unless Julia has a Howard TAMPA or a Menzies REDS UNDER THE BEDS last minute hidden away to hit us with at the last moment.

      And if not, LNP will rule until they too are dumped and ALP returns.

      We have a choice of LEPROSYor CANCER. We will get an apple and a punch on the nose or an orange and a kick to the shins.

      These two packs are too entrenched. Anybody daring to stand up to them is defiled, besmirched a ridiculed by both.

      What chance did Pauline Hansen have? Who among you know what she really stood for or said? But she was a real threat and had to be eliminated.

      The GREENS are allowed to exist because they are a joke.

      I loath party politics. I want a representative to work for the benefit of me, my State, Australia. The whole pack, every individual voted in should be doing that; working together; not wasting such a huge percentage of the time playing off against each other. GET ON WITH THE JOB YOU WERE GIVEN.

      Under the current system the ALP will return in 4, 8 or 12 years and the LNP will get their turn. Each will be voted OUT and the other will get in. And the polies will grow fat.

      Wake up Australia.

    • Get rid of both parties says:

      11:27am | 14/09/12

      Couldn’t have said more or better myself Aussie Wazza.

      It’s a joke and it’s on us.

      Hanson was an idiot, but it was wrong what happened to her. At least she was a champion for Australia and Australians (no matter where they originated). We need some smart bugger to start a new party. Katter has one but he’s pro population (our biggest problem)

      My user name happens to be “Get rid of both parties”.

      Like I’ve said elsewhere, if we continue on this path we will be slaves to the people that have bought up Australia. Wake up Australia. It’s crunch time, do something now, or we leave future generations a whole lot of pain.

    • tez says:

      11:19am | 14/09/12

      On voting day in Liverpool I did wonder why the liberal how to vote cards needed to be handed out by 3 large young men one of whom stept streight in front of me demanding me to vote liberal I found this most off putting as I had collected all parties cards and not indicating my preference. I have been voting for over 40 years and voting days can be a very sociable event I hate to think things are changing.

    • Jokular says:

      01:34pm | 14/09/12

      lol, thanks tez, I needed to my spirits with a good laugh.

    • Alfie says:

      12:02pm | 14/09/12

      Same thing in Queensland. The ALP leader, Palaszczuk always has her ‘angry face’ on. She has all but given up on winning hearts and minds and reverted to union-style whinging and fist waving.

    • Ian1 says:

      07:29pm | 14/09/12

      Angry face?  She can fly to Sydney easily enough.  Isn’t that where other Labor ladies find refuge now?

    • As a Young Liberal I... says:

      02:17pm | 14/09/12

      The quicker we can get Liberals in at all levels of government the better. This country desperately needs to gut its bloated and wasteful public services and labour laws and start offering tax breaks (instead of more taxes) on businesses, investors and job creators.

    • Steve Douglas says:

      02:47pm | 14/09/12

      What an incredible blog this is.  From an accusation that some 35 years ago that Tony Abbott punched a wall (an incident never reported until now!!!) to Mr Abbott punched a women in the face - claims made by bloggers on this site.  Enough said I think.

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      03:36pm | 14/09/12


      Excellent idea- but wait a minute what happens now?  Minus 50,000 public servants = 50,000 more on the dole.

      The public service is well over loaded but at least they are out of mischiefs way. ‘Keep ‘em busy with no time to think up mischief’. my mum used to say re kids and husbands.

      China had (I don’t know about now) no unemployment because as everyone was ‘employed’ by the government they were deemed to be in a job!?!?

      I think that if the p/s lurks and perks were withdrawn the TOTAL payout would adjust to carry all that are there now to remain with the same conditions as the real world workers.

      Then through attrition the total cost would reduce and similarly the workload of each would adjust to similar to real world workers in the same line work.

      No one fired—no expensive golden handshakes —- no dole payout.

      Why should twin brothers both in the same job but one in and one outside receive different remuneration and conditions?

    • Al says:

      03:37pm | 14/09/12

      While I don’t actualy support them (at this time) I am begining to think I may vote Labour at the next federal election so that they may be able to have enough numbers to act as a decent opposition.
      After all, Labour did make a decent opposition untill they lost the ability to make a difference in the outcome in both the upper and lower houses during the Howard years.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      04:38pm | 14/09/12

      Meh both parties believe in Big Australia, Middle Class Family Welfare and exceedingly expensive perks and rorts within the job. Who cares who wins the next election. The game is fixed.

    • Ian1 says:

      06:13pm | 14/09/12

      It’s an information age, voters are more acutely aware of the bulldust politicians spew forth, more aware of repeated attempts to sugar coat the pain with continued intrusions into their lives and over-regulation to the
      point of “invest in Australia? But the grass is greener elsewhere”.

      The Greens, well what’s the point of amateur hour? Even honest environmentalists are scared to death by the corruption rife evidenced in the European Trading Schemes we’ve yoked ourselves unto (for some forsaken reason).  Their looney policies are as odd as their inflated sense of aptitude.

      Labor? Don’t get me started, synonymous with lies, even to the point of decriminalising deceiving Parliament in the House (Qld).  Shame.

      What hope do honest working folk have when Unions still claim to represent the workers?  Unions are seemingly happy to condone expense credit cards for all sorts of grossly immoral shenanigans, all balking at the idea of adopting the standard of corporate responsibility society expects of them (as ought to be enforced for all Commonwealth regulated bodies of a tax deduction status).  Just for once I would like the 82% of the workforce who don’t support the union movement be represented in the media as the workers.  Surely the number who’ve abandoned them, or would never join a Union in the first place deserve that much influence or greater consideration in the least. 

      Or must the media kowtow to the power-broking taxpayer money shuffling Labor overlords?  Why not expose the truth for once, God knows we miss it.

    • Pagan says:

      07:30pm | 14/09/12

      What would we do without THe Punch!? At least now we all know the Liberals are the immaculate political incarnation. Tony Abbott is almost the next Jesus!

    • Daz says:

      07:31pm | 14/09/12

      It’s not all bad for Labor. There’s a politician in Queensland who could just save their bacon. A man who could just save them from political oblivion. That man’s name is Campbell Newman.

      Even as a liberal voter I think he has gone too far, too fast. I can only speculate what the labourites think. When the patient is lying on the operating table and the pulse is weak from other ailments now is not the time to cut deep.

      Whatever you may think of public servants, a friend of mine categorised the public service as an employment program for the disadvantaged, every fortnight they inject massive money into the economy. Being secure in their jobs they have the confidence to spend their money. Similar to the unemployed but who have less both in amount and discretion. Monetry theory in action.

      If I was Tony Abbott I’d be on the phone to Campbell and asking him what the hell is he doing. Seems to me both of them are small men who have something to prove. I’ll still vote for Tony but I hope to God he learns from Campbell’s mistakes. The present alternative sucks.

    • just shut up says:

      07:44pm | 14/09/12

      Liberal National NSW Disease could be fatal if not cured now.

      Labor is alive and well ! Liberal will soon be dead and buried !

      Independent MP Robert Oakshott says next federal election is Nov 2013 !


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Tim says:

They should update other things in the game too. Instead of a get out of jail free card, they should have a Dodgy Lawyer card that not only gets you out of jail straight away but also gives you a fat payout in compensation for daring to arrest you in the first place. Instead of getting a hotel when you… [read more]

From: A guide to summer festivals especially if you wouldn’t go

Kel says:

If you want a festival for older people or for families alike, get amongst the respectable punters at Bluesfest. A truly amazing festival experience to be had of ALL AGES. And all the young "festivalgoers" usually write themselves off on the first night, only to never hear from them again the rest of… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

Superman needs saving

Superman needs saving

Can somebody please save Superman? He seems to be going through a bit of a crisis. Eighteen months ago,… Read more



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